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00:00:58.660 Women around the country are defending Lindsay Clancy, the mother of three who allegedly murdered

00:01:04.100 all of her children before trying unsuccessfully to kill herself. Now, a crucial fact of this case

00:01:10.720 is that basically no one disputes Clancy's having committed the crime.

00:01:16.500 She'll have her day in court. She'll get a formal conviction. But the women defending Clancy

00:01:22.080 are kind of like the Luigi Mangione supporters in that they don't support her because they think 0.99

00:01:27.900 she's innocent. They support her specifically because they think she did it and is excused in

00:01:35.600 doing it. And those Clancy defenders have now raised almost a million dollars for the alleged

00:01:40.140 murder. We will examine why so many women are so crazy. Then Democrat Senator and presidential 0.98

00:01:46.820 hopeful John Ossoff baselessly accuses a random female staffer of sleeping with President Trump 0.71

00:01:51.800 because she is pretty and works in the White House. Not the strongest start to a presidential

00:01:57.700 campaign for Mr. Ossoff, and the Democratic Socialists of America admit explicitly that

00:02:02.160 they want to destroy the U.S. Constitution. I'm Michael Knowles. This is The Michael Knowles Show.

00:02:05.980 welcome back to the show feel good story of the year you remember that lifeguard

00:02:28.680 that 16 year old kid who saved the 10 year old boy from the waves in santa cruz

00:02:34.040 heroically goes, swims out there, works his way back for minutes to try to overcome. It was just

00:02:39.480 amazing. Saved the kid's life. Well, President Trump just welcomed him to the Oval Office to

00:02:44.360 give him a commendation. We will get to that great story. First, though, let's get to Lindsay Clancy.

00:02:50.440 Lindsay Clancy, we know the details of this case. She's this woman who allegedly murdered all of 0.98

00:02:57.040 her kids. She strangled all of her kids. The eldest, I think, was five, and the youngest was 1.00

00:03:03.160 eight months old. She then jumped out a window to try to kill herself and she failed. She paralyzed

00:03:09.220 herself from the waist down, but she's still alive. She's standing trial. And a bunch of women

00:03:14.360 are defending her. So Lindsay Clancy's defense is not that she was framed. Her defense is not that

00:03:20.560 it was actually her husband set her up or something. There's some real wacko women who 1.00

00:03:24.280 are arguing that. There's one actress who argued that she can't have committed the crime because 1.00

00:03:28.840 women don't strangle. They've clearly never met an angry Italian woman. Women do that. They 1.00

00:03:35.480 definitely do that. But that's not the argument that Lindsay Clancy's attorneys are making. 0.98

00:03:40.460 The argument that they're making is, yeah, okay, she might have committed the act,

00:03:45.400 but she was insane. She was depressed. She had postpartum depression. She was on all sorts of 0.63

00:03:51.240 psych drugs. And therefore, she can't be held culpable for the crimes. And she's getting a

00:03:56.560 lot of support from a lot of crazy women all around the country. Here is a licensed therapist. 1.00

00:04:02.620 In her social media, this woman says she's a licensed therapist, liberal voice on politics,

00:04:07.700 culture, society, anti-racist, fascist, pro-LGBTQ. Here is her defense of Lindsay Clancy.

00:04:14.480 The Lindsay Clancy trial is going to be one of the most significant trials of your lifetime.

00:04:21.500 We are all experiencing something completely unprecedented.

00:04:26.480 Never before have we seen so many mothers and women rally behind somebody who confessed to killing her three children.

00:04:38.500 And it is not because we cannot hold women accountable.

00:04:43.100 Many of us see ourselves in Lindsay.

00:04:46.320 many of us know that we could have been only one step away from doing some of those horrific things

00:04:56.080 because we experienced significant mental health issues after one of our children was born

00:05:04.700 and many of us know just how dark some of those thoughts get

00:05:11.340 so yeah that's the ssr i there's that far away looking at the most significant trials

00:05:20.220 of your lifetime yeah yeah she killed all of her kids but you know what i see myself 0.99

00:05:25.740 in lindsey clancy and a lot of women we see ourselves in lindsey clancy apparently that's 0.74

00:05:31.300 true because they set up a gofundme for lindsey clancy now it's not technically for her i think 0.60

00:05:36.560 it's technically for her family or something but that's just a legal loophole to get around the

00:05:40.680 fact that murderers are not permitted legally to profit off of their murders. So it's a loophole

00:05:46.220 to try to get some money to her. They've raised almost a million dollars. At last count, it was

00:05:49.880 $839,000 and counting. Let's take the therapist at her word. Let's ignore the people who are 0.96

00:05:58.020 saying, no, it's all a mistake. Actually, the defense attorney's in on it, and she didn't

00:06:01.800 actually do it. Women don't strangle. But let's just take the greater number of women who are 1.00

00:06:06.500 saying, no, no, she did it, but you know what? I want to murder my kids too. She did it, but you 0.99

00:06:10.520 you know what? Postpartum depression is really bad. How do we make sense of that? First of all,

00:06:16.700 the postpartum depression defense. My friend Matt Walsh got into a little bit of a hornet's nest

00:06:22.980 yesterday because he said postpartum depression is totally fake. And he said, postpartum depression

00:06:28.640 is not real. It's just that mothers are really tired because they have to wake up like five times

00:06:32.360 a night to feed the kid and they're really stressed and it's really hard. And I'm sure

00:06:36.320 there is like an actual medical basis for postpartum depression. But yes, a lot of the

00:06:39.520 difficulty when a baby is born. A lot of the difficulty the mother faces is that you're not

00:06:45.700 sleeping. Your hormones are a little bit out of control, but also there's a ton of stress. You

00:06:49.780 have to take care of this kid. If you have other kids, it makes it even more difficult. So yeah,

00:06:53.260 it's a lot of lifestyle factors. It's a lot of the changes to your life that you're doing. It's a lot

00:06:57.820 of sleep deprivation. All of that is true. But the other problem with the postpartum depression

00:07:04.080 defense here is that the youngest victim of Lindsay Clancy was eight months old.

00:07:10.180 So postpartum depression, that would usually go away within six months.

00:07:15.560 Some very rare cases, maybe further, but it would, yeah, that's not the sort of thing that

00:07:20.320 you still have eight months into having a kid. So her better insanity defense is, well, I was on

00:07:25.240 all of these psych drugs. I was on all of these psych drugs, and therefore I'm not responsible

00:07:29.780 for killing my kids. And actually, I think a lot of women, you know, I think they're with me, right?

00:07:33.540 Let's go, girl power. 1.00

00:07:34.920 You go, girl. 1.00

00:07:36.520 Sometimes we want to murder our kids. 0.99

00:07:37.900 Sometimes we do it, right? 1.00

00:07:39.640 And all these women rallying behind her. 1.00

00:07:41.580 In other words, she is not responsible because she's on these drugs. 0.78

00:07:44.120 Now, of course, one in four American women is on psych drugs.

00:07:47.920 This is one of the great epidemics, one of the strangest social facts of our time.

00:07:52.620 One in five women are on psych drugs.

00:07:54.060 There are men on psych drugs too, but the number is way, way, way lower.

00:07:57.060 So if the argument is that if a woman is on psych drugs,

00:08:00.440 She therefore can't be held accountable

00:08:02.060 for any of her actions up to 0.96

00:08:03.280 and including murdering her own kids. 0.94

00:08:04.900 Well, okay, all of a sudden now 1.00

00:08:06.360 we've got a quarter of American women 1.00

00:08:07.760 who can literally get away with murder. 1.00

00:08:10.420 This does remind me of the clip.

00:08:12.920 Do you remember As Good As It Gets,

00:08:14.080 one of the great Jack Nicholson movies?

00:08:15.920 So year 2000 or maybe the late 90s.

00:08:18.300 Nicholson plays a writer

00:08:19.260 and he's got all these female fans

00:08:20.580 and they ask him,

00:08:21.080 how do you write women so well?

00:08:24.400 How do you write women so well? 1.00

00:08:27.100 I think of a man 0.99

00:08:28.060 and I take away reason and accountability.

00:08:38.180 One of the all-time great movie lines, that is Lindsay Clancy's defense. Lindsay Clancy's

00:08:42.840 defense and the defense being offered by all these women who are supporting her 0.89

00:08:45.360 is literally, well, a woman is like a man without reason or accountability.

00:08:50.020 So a lot of people are shocked by it. Obviously, the crime itself is shocking, 0.92

00:08:53.880 but then the reaction is scandalizing people even more. How could all of these women 1.00

00:08:59.560 defend Lindsay Clancy murdering her kids? And I would just like to remind people,

00:09:03.620 because I think this is missing from the Lindsay Clancy discourse. 0.96

00:09:08.020 You know half of American women overtly defend infanticide, right? You know that? You remember 0.99

00:09:16.280 that? You remember that half of women in this country, many of whom are not on psych drugs,

00:09:22.500 many of whom do not have postpartum depression. Half of women in this country go to the ballot

00:09:28.040 box, go on television, go to political rallies holding signs specifically to defend murdering 1.00

00:09:35.920 their own children. You remember that? We call it abortion now that we use euphemisms like women's

00:09:41.780 rights. The fact that women's rights is now a euphemism that refers exclusively to killing 0.84

00:09:48.820 your own kids should mean that we are not surprised by this. It reminds me of what Mother 0.99

00:09:53.760 Teresa said at the United Nations. It was 1994 where she said, the greatest threat to peace in

00:09:59.320 the world is abortion. Because if a mother can kill her own kids, there's nothing that anyone 0.83

00:10:03.600 can't do. So none of this should be surprising at all. It wouldn't be surprising to Jack Nicholson's

00:10:10.780 character in As Good As It Gets. And it's certainly not surprising to any of us who've

00:10:15.120 paid attention to the role of abortion politics in our country. So long as you have legal abortion,

00:10:20.100 so long as abortion remains a top political issue, especially for liberal women,

00:10:24.520 why should we be surprised by Lindsay Clancy? Lindsay Clancy did the same thing. 0.99

00:10:30.800 She did the same thing, except it's more evocative. It's more graphic. It's harder to

00:10:36.840 deny what Lindsay Clancy did, but it is the same thing. It's just killing your kids. 1.00

00:10:40.920 So when these crazy liberal women come out, they're the ones who say, I'm pro-liberal. 0.99

00:10:44.080 I'm pro-LGBT, I'm anti-racist, I'm all the left-wing slogans. When they come out there 0.98

00:10:48.140 and say, you know, I sympathize with Lindsay Clancy, I see myself in her. Yeah, they're being

00:10:52.460 honest. They're being much more honest than most other people in the debate. Okay. Speaking of

00:10:57.680 having babies, we will move on from the Lindsay Clancy case, which some are calling the Carmelo

00:11:03.140 Anthony case for women. You know, one of those cases where it's like so obvious the person is

00:11:08.100 guilty, but based purely on identity politics, you have all these people rallying to the cause

00:11:12.620 of the obvious criminal. Now we will turn to a really crazy story down in Texas. A surrogate

00:11:18.700 mother was commissioned, was hired to gestate a child for a couple in, I think it was California.

00:11:26.520 And then the baby had a defect. The baby wasn't going to come out perfectly according to a genetic

00:11:31.400 test. And so the parents, the biological parents, told the surrogate that they hired to murder the

00:11:37.000 baby. And the surrogate said no. Now where it stands is in a little bit of limbo. First though,

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00:13:02.820 mothers. This is a woman who rented out her womb to commercial surrogacy. This couple wanted to 1.00

00:13:08.840 rent a womb. So they hire her, and the father goes into some medical office and commits a 0.53

00:13:15.920 gravely immoral act. And then they harvest the biological mother's eggs, and then some witch 0.78

00:13:21.240 doctor scientists mix them together in a Petri dish. And then they implant the baby into this 0.96

00:13:26.120 woman who is hired for the transaction. And then they're doing medical tests. They say,

00:13:31.180 okay, the baby's got a little bit of a heart condition. So then the parents who contracted

00:13:35.920 this woman's womb, the parents say, okay, well, let's just kill our baby then. We'll try again, 0.99

00:13:41.000 but kill this baby. And the surrogate, to her great credit, said, well, I'm not going to do 0.99

00:13:46.220 that. I'm not going to kill the baby just because he's not going to come out perfect in your

00:13:49.440 imagination. And there was this big battle over it. Well, finally, the surrogate won,

00:13:56.080 and the surrogate was able to have the baby. The parents in this case are these two people,

00:13:59.860 Omar Ahmed and now Sheen Gilkar. Very often, commercial surrogacy is used for homosexuals 1.00

00:14:06.020 who want to create children to intentionally deprive them of a mother or a father, which has 0.96

00:14:10.280 an additional unethical component to it, an additional kind of grotesquerie. But in this

00:14:18.320 case, it was a man and a woman, and they hired this surrogate. And so they said, okay, you're

00:14:23.140 going to have the baby. We can't get you to kill the baby. Okay, fine. Now give us the baby. 0.99

00:14:27.520 The reason the baby was born in large part was because Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton,

00:14:32.200 who is now running for Senate against James Tallarico, he intervened.

00:14:35.500 He filed a motion asking a Texas state court to order the doctors to help the child,

00:14:41.220 not to kill the child, and then also to perform the surgery that would help the child to live

00:14:45.000 later on. Now there's a fight over who gets the child because the surrogate mother wants to keep

00:14:51.580 the child. And the biological parents who contracted the surrogate's womb and who tried 0.95

00:14:57.300 to kill the baby, they want the baby back. So the surrogate is saying, look, I'm not going to give 0.68

00:15:02.780 you this baby back. You tried to kill the baby, and I bet you're not going to give the baby the 0.97

00:15:06.200 kind of care that he needs. So I'm going to keep the baby so that you don't kill it. And the 0.94

00:15:10.960 attorney for the biological parents said, that's outrageous. This is our baby. This baby belongs

00:15:17.280 to us. And it's absurd to say that the parents would neglect the health of the child. According

00:15:23.080 to the parent's attorney, they say that Ken Paxton turned this tragedy, what tragedy?

00:15:29.120 It's a comedy. It's a happy story. The tragedy would have been if the parents succeeded at

00:15:33.360 getting the surrogate to kill the kid. The comedy is the surrogate was able to prevail and save the

00:15:38.820 kid's life. But they're accusing Paxton of political theater. And they say the parents

00:15:44.740 always place the health of their baby first. That's the argument from the attorney. These

00:15:50.180 biological parents have always placed the health of their baby first. They literally tried to kill

00:15:55.760 him. They tried to enforce a contract and bring the weight of the legal system down to force the

00:16:02.980 surrogate mother to kill the kid. But they've always placed the health of the baby first. 0.95

00:16:08.160 That is the most absurd statement maybe that has ever been uttered in a courtroom.

00:16:11.920 the attorney then goes on saying that the surrogate's claims for custody are baseless

00:16:17.320 they're in violation of multiple court orders out of multiple states so what are we supposed

00:16:23.340 to do here obviously these parents are horrifying people who tried to murder their kids you don't

00:16:30.100 want the the baby to go back to the biological parents but those are his parents and a lot of

00:16:38.800 people are very confused about abortion. A lot of people don't think deeply about abortion. A lot

00:16:42.560 of people don't want to think deeply about abortion. So there are plenty of people who

00:16:46.320 say that they support abortion who are good parents. There are plenty of people who might 0.86

00:16:54.400 consider aborting a baby who could end up being relatively good parents, I guess. It's possible

00:17:01.500 in this bizarre, confusing, and fallen world. But I sure wouldn't give that baby back to those

00:17:06.720 parents. Then on the other hand, though, the baby is the child of those parents. The baby's DNA is

00:17:13.620 the DNA of those parents. The baby was created by the intent of those parents. So the surrogate

00:17:20.840 doesn't really have a, certainly doesn't have a legal right to the baby. And even the moral right

00:17:25.800 that the surrogate would have, that's a little bit unclear. There's not a ton. I mean, the surrogate

00:17:29.740 is the only mother that this baby has yet known. But it's not a morally satisfying answer just to

00:17:36.380 say, okay, well, now the baby stays with the surrogate because the parents tried to kill

00:17:39.620 the baby, even though it was in the contract that the surrogate signed that the parents could try

00:17:43.100 to kill the baby if the parents wanted to. The surrogate has done something wrong here too.

00:17:48.600 The surrogate, by engaging in commercial surrogacy, by commoditizing human life,

00:17:52.400 has done something wrong here too. By participating in a situation where this baby,

00:17:57.660 even if things had gone perfectly, this baby was only ever going to know for his entire nine months

00:18:02.460 this surrogate mother. And then you're just going to rip that baby away from the only mother he's 0.80

00:18:06.660 ever known. That's an evil thing to do too. Every part of this is morally fraught, which is why

00:18:15.040 as this issue comes more and more into light, as more and more people do it, as there are more and

00:18:19.460 more public subsidies for it, as the technology gets better and better, we are beginning to

00:18:24.520 grapple finally, seriously with the fact that it's just wrong. The problem with IVF and surrogacy,

00:18:32.300 I know many people listening right now have done IVF and surrogacy, and a lot of them have done it because they haven't thought thoroughly over the implications.

00:18:39.140 A lot of them have done it because they thought, ah, all the really negative side effects aren't going to happen.

00:18:43.000 I get it.

00:18:43.700 I know, and a lot of people feel very deeply about this issue because you say, well, I only got my kid because of surrogacy.

00:18:47.940 I only got my nephew because of surrogacy.

00:18:49.460 I only got my grandkid, and so they feel that any means of creating human life is therefore morally justified.

00:18:54.460 But no one actually believes that.

00:18:56.400 The classic example would be rape.

00:18:59.240 A kid who was born as a result of rape is a good in himself.

00:19:05.040 It is good that the kid is alive.

00:19:06.760 We love the kid.

00:19:07.880 The kid is every bit as human as every other person.

00:19:10.320 But we wouldn't therefore say it justifies rape.

00:19:13.660 You can't say that any means of producing a child is therefore morally licit.

00:19:17.740 We all know that.

00:19:18.480 We would all agree with that.

00:19:19.280 The only reason people might pretend not to agree with that is because they feel so emotional about this issue.

00:19:25.100 But consider the circumstances here.

00:19:27.860 Everyone is suffering as a result of this.

00:19:31.260 The parents in California are suffering.

00:19:33.200 The surrogate in Texas is suffering.

00:19:34.920 The baby is certainly suffering.

00:19:36.480 And the baby would have seriously suffered

00:19:37.920 had the baby been murdered by his parents,

00:19:39.840 had the surrogate acquiesced to it. 0.86

00:19:42.040 This is yet another reminder

00:19:43.740 that there is just something intrinsically wrong

00:19:47.400 with commoditizing human life,

00:19:49.480 with establishing the domination of science and technology

00:19:52.320 over the origin and destiny of human life.

00:19:55.040 There's just something wrong about that in itself.

00:19:58.940 And so we need to tackle that issue head on.

00:20:02.040 You say, oh yeah, one of the problems with IVF is,

00:20:03.900 you know, they freeze a lot of babies

00:20:05.020 and kill a lot of babies 0.62

00:20:05.900 and it massively increases the number of abortions. 0.84

00:20:07.700 Yeah, that's true.

00:20:08.440 One of the issues is sometimes

00:20:09.420 the doctors mix up the test tubes.

00:20:10.860 Yeah, that's bad.

00:20:11.940 One of the issues is sometimes 0.98

00:20:13.100 the doctors mix up the sperm and the eggs.

00:20:15.380 They create babies as a result of parents

00:20:17.840 who have never even met each other.

00:20:19.660 That's really, really bad.

00:20:20.600 Yeah, yeah, but you know,

00:20:21.220 these things only happen sometimes.

00:20:22.260 No, no, the issue is intrinsic

00:20:23.880 to the whole industry.

00:20:26.480 But people don't really want to grapple with that.

00:20:29.020 It's not, this is one of these issues.

00:20:30.600 It's not even that people are making

00:20:32.840 serious ethical arguments

00:20:34.240 for commoditizing human life.

00:20:36.040 They just really like the results

00:20:37.700 and they don't want to deal with it that much.

00:20:38.880 So they put their heads in the sand.

00:20:39.940 Okay, speaking of sexual impropriety,

00:20:43.040 John Ossoff, John Ossoff,

00:20:44.640 who is Senator from Georgia.

00:20:46.900 He is one of the names being floated

00:20:49.180 for the 2020 Democrat presidential nomination.

00:20:52.660 John Ossoff, he wants to frame himself as the new Obama.

00:20:57.220 So you say, okay, AOC is way too crazy. 0.98

00:21:00.120 Democrats, they might flirt with nominating her, 1.00

00:21:03.020 but they don't really want to nominate her.

00:21:04.760 Josh Shapiro, he's much more reasonable, 0.74

00:21:06.680 but he's Jewish and the Democrats hate Jews,

00:21:08.400 so they're not going to nominate him.

00:21:09.840 Gavin Newsom, he's Patrick Bateman.

00:21:12.720 He's just too slick.

00:21:13.800 He's too slippery. 0.59

00:21:14.480 He's probably half reptile, 0.77

00:21:16.120 and they're not going to nominate him.

00:21:17.460 So who do you have left?

00:21:18.000 You have this guy, John Ossoff.

00:21:19.860 John Ossoff, who's kind of a nice, clean cut,

00:21:22.140 relatively well-spoken, normal-looking white guy, but he's still a lib. He's their guy, right?

00:21:28.340 So John Ossoff is kicking off his proto-presidential campaign. You can tell all of the camera angles,

00:21:35.360 they're shooting him up, looking up at him in these very Obama-esque kinds of images.

00:21:40.280 And Ossoff kicks off his campaign by accusing a random White House staffer of sleeping with her

00:21:48.180 boss because she's a pretty lady who has the temerity to work in politics.

00:21:53.780 And while the sailors on the Lincoln fight his war,

00:21:59.080 while he fruitlessly drains our munitions and oil reserves, the president sleeps through his

00:22:05.680 meetings. He golfs and trades stocks. See, he doesn't want to do the job.

00:22:13.960 he wants to build his ballroom and travel with natalie on their apparently defenseless flying

00:22:20.840 palace gifted by the emir of qatar

00:22:23.120 he wants to travel with natalie did you catch that you know what that refers to that refers to 0.90

00:22:31.340 the president's assistant natalie harp natalie harp who is i think she's a 35 year old woman 1.00

00:22:38.300 very nice looking lady. She's a stage two bone cancer survivor. She's a political aide whose 0.99

00:22:44.340 job it is to travel with the president. She's his executive assistant. And she has publicly

00:22:50.380 credited President Trump with saving her life because of the Right to Try Act. So she has this

00:22:55.220 real sort of emotional connection to the Trump political project. And what does John Ossoff say

00:23:00.040 about this? Just singles out a random White House staff. Do you know how many people work for the

00:23:04.200 president. Do you know how many White House staffers there are? He singles this lady out

00:23:08.660 because she's relatively young and quite good looking and she's very nice and she's well-spoken 0.99

00:23:14.060 and singles her out. And he says, yeah, president, president Trump, he loves traveling with that

00:23:19.400 Natalie, huh? Yeah, that Natalie, huh? You know, I see, I walk around in office and I see a woman

00:23:25.880 at work and I just got to assume she's sleeping with the boss. Am I right? Am I right, fellas?

00:23:30.880 these women, huh? These women, you know, these hussies, these ladies. Am I right? Girls, 1.00

00:23:36.920 women, huh? He calls a random staffer a whore because she works in politics. 1.00

00:23:47.940 That's your new Obama. That's your new moderate, well-spoken, serious. He's not one of these 0.97

00:23:55.820 bomb thrower provocateurs like Donald Trump. No, no, no. He's the really serious one.

00:24:00.740 He calls a random White House staffer a whore because she has the temerity to work for the 0.99

00:24:05.120 president of the United States. 0.99

00:24:06.220 No evidence whatsoever of any impropriety whatsoever.

00:24:10.680 That's what he does.

00:24:11.860 That's the nice Democrat.

00:24:13.760 That's the moderate Democrat.

00:24:15.100 That's the adult in the room.

00:24:17.340 Shows you the rot of that party.

00:24:19.200 We will get, this was so egregious that even Jen Psaki, the former Democrat White House

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00:25:35.000 This was so ill-considered. It was so egregious by John Ossoff that even Jen Psaki had to grill

00:25:43.060 him on it on her TV show. Why'd you decide to invoke Natalie Harp specifically in that speech?

00:25:48.940 well jen thank you for having me and here's the point we're in wartime the commander in chief

00:25:59.880 has mired us in this geopolitical disaster people have lost their lives our naval logistics

00:26:08.140 are frayed the global energy system is in crisis and he retreats into this bubble

00:26:15.680 of West Wing aides who are his security blanket to make him feel good about himself.

00:26:24.420 This is so lame. What a weak wimp. If you're going to make the claim, if you're going to take the 0.99

00:26:34.780 swing, take the swing, bro. If you're going to go out there and call a White House staffer a whore 1.00

00:26:40.200 based on nothing, and you're going to accuse the president of sexual impropriety with his staff 0.95

00:26:45.120 based on nothing, if you're going to go out there and make that kind of insinuation,

00:26:49.520 which is so obviously misogynistic that even a White House press secretary on your own side,

00:26:56.360 on your side's TV network, has to call you out for it. If you're going to do it, do it. Own it.

00:27:02.040 But instead, he says, no, well, you know, the president's at war. I didn't ask you about war.

00:27:05.560 I asked you why you singled out this random White House staffer. Well, because Trump,

00:27:09.680 he's just surrounding himself with staffers. Yeah, the president has staffers, but you didn't

00:27:14.140 talk about staffers generally. You singled out this one nice looking lady. Why'd you single her 1.00

00:27:19.200 out? Well, because it's just so wrong. During a war, the president has an assistant. What?

00:27:24.680 What argument are you even making? It's wrong. During war, presidents can't have assistants.

00:27:30.380 During war, the president of the United States shouldn't have an aide. He has like a billion

00:27:36.760 aides. You singled out one of them. This was so weak. And to her credit, Jen Psaki actually

00:27:41.940 pushed back. I mean, she knew this is, not only was it gross of him to make the accusation,

00:27:49.320 but it's so slimy and weak and pathetic of him to try to squirm out of it. Oh, no, 0.98

00:27:53.540 I didn't really say that. I didn't know. Can we just talk about the war again?

00:27:56.400 So she pushes back. The reason I asked about Natalie Harp is because it's kind of raised

00:28:01.800 this question out there, more questions about her. He is surrounded by sycophants,

00:28:05.920 no question. I just talked about that. But you specifically mentioned her, and I just wonder

00:28:10.620 why? Well, I've heard this particular aide referred to as his security blanket. And I think

00:28:18.900 we could say that about any number of the senior aides in the White House. They're not telling

00:28:23.020 him what he needs to hear. They're telling him what he wants to hear. And the nation is at war,

00:28:28.680 and we cannot afford that. We need a team in the White House. We need folks at the State Department,

00:28:34.540 at the Defense Department, in the United States Congress, who take their jobs seriously. Those

00:28:40.600 sailors out on the Lincoln. They do their jobs with excellence and dedication.

00:28:45.260 Yeah, yeah, blah, blah, blah, whatever. Okay, we get it. So he just doesn't want to own up to it.

00:28:48.480 He says, no, no, no. I mean, you could really say that. You could really say that about anyone

00:28:52.640 in the White House. Yeah, but you didn't. You said it about this random assistant.

00:28:56.700 Well, yeah, but no, you could really say that. I mean, the cabinet secretaries are telling him

00:29:00.320 what he wants to hear. Oh, yeah, people are deferential to the president. Okay.

00:29:03.940 Why didn't you talk about the cabinet secretaries? Why didn't you mention Pete Hegseth?

00:29:06.500 why don't you mention mention scott besant because you're making an insinuation that 0.87

00:29:12.060 you're walking away from totally pathetic this guy's not ready for prime time he's not ready 0.74

00:29:16.240 for prime time it's like it's the worst of all worlds it obviously wasn't innocent he was 0.99

00:29:22.160 insinuating that trump is sleeping with this assistant based on nothing and and then he

00:29:26.840 didn't want to own the accusation so he he wouldn't even he he wouldn't fully walk it back

00:29:32.980 and he wouldn't own it. 0.98

00:29:34.340 It's just, he just looks like a little worm. 0.80

00:29:36.800 You know, it's not, he's not ready for prime time. 0.77

00:29:38.880 He's not cut out for this.

00:29:40.220 AOC is going to eat this guy's lunch. 1.00

00:29:42.000 It's, it is pathetic. 1.00

00:29:43.280 I actually thought for a second 0.99

00:29:44.500 before I really looked that deeply into Ossoff,

00:29:46.760 I thought, oh, maybe he could be

00:29:47.700 a viable presidential candidate.

00:29:49.280 He's nothing. 0.89

00:29:50.040 That guy's nothing.

00:29:50.960 He's Beto 2.0.

00:29:53.140 He's Beto.

00:29:54.120 He's Pete Buttigieg.

00:29:55.280 He's not, he ain't ready for prime time.

00:29:57.460 Trump really nailed him though.

00:29:58.880 Trump was absolutely brutal to him.

00:30:01.760 Oh, I should mention,

00:30:02.560 I should mention in Ossoff's defense, Ossoff says that he doesn't want to run for president.

00:30:08.720 He said this, in fact, on MSNBC.

00:30:10.460 We saw this reporting.

00:30:13.020 Is it fair to say that you're thinking about a 2028 run for president?

00:30:16.160 No, I have zero interest in running for president in 2028.

00:30:19.960 In these hearings, as I conduct oversight, I am trying to faithfully execute my solemn

00:30:25.720 obligations under the Constitution as a United States senator.

00:30:28.840 Okay, so the way to read that, I'm going to translate for you from political ease.

00:30:33.400 When you say, when you get a question, are you going to run for president?

00:30:37.100 And the answer is, I have zero interest in running for president.

00:30:41.040 That means you're running for president.

00:30:42.900 If he came out and said, I will not run for president in 2028,

00:30:47.380 that would be a, you still couldn't totally believe it,

00:30:49.400 but that would be a more serious statement.

00:30:52.080 You would have to take that seriously.

00:30:53.740 When the politician says, oh, I have no interest in it.

00:30:55.600 He just doesn't want the pressure on him.

00:30:56.760 He wants all the pressure on Gavin Newsom and AOC and maybe Josh Shapiro. 0.98

00:31:00.760 But he's obviously running, and this was the first – this was the launch of his presidential campaign, and it was pathetic. 0.98

00:31:07.200 It was gross on the one hand, and then it was weak on the other hand. 0.99

00:31:09.800 Just totally – total joke.

00:31:12.080 President Trump was asked about John Ossoff, and he gave us the first new nickname of the 2028 presidential cycle.

00:31:19.920 I think it was a pretty effective one.

00:31:22.260 hey what do you think about john ossoff sir oh you mean uh wait for it the lights come down

00:31:49.400 the audience gets quiet they know something's coming oh uh hold on wait a second you're uh

00:31:55.580 you're talking about uh peewee herman and so there it is you know he's been sitting on this one for

00:32:03.260 months and it comes out and he says okay john ossoff is peewee herman this is a pretty effective

00:32:07.520 nickname it diminishes him also have diminished himself yesterday but it diminishes him it's it's

00:32:13.560 pretty sticky. The closest analog is when Trump called Buttigieg Alfred E. Newman, the guy from

00:32:20.180 the cover of Mad Magazine. And I think there are a lot of similarities between Buttigieg and John

00:32:25.220 Ossoff. But the Pee Wee Herman nickname is stickier. It's actually better branding than

00:32:31.360 Alfred E. Newman. Because Alfred E. Newman, I grew up reading Mad Magazine, but a lot of people did

00:32:35.000 not. It's kind of like more of an old-timey thing. So that nickname doesn't totally land

00:32:39.140 with millennials and Gen Z, but everyone remembers Pee Wee Herman. So the Pee Wee Herman one,

00:32:45.240 I think, really sticks. It also, the Pee Wee Herman accusation, it includes, it's got a kind

00:32:51.480 of a pervy connotation to it. And so it has this double effect. One, it fits him, it diminishes him,

00:32:58.380 it rings true. But then it's got this kind of pervy connotation, which Ossoff lived up to.

00:33:05.720 This was a great moment to release this nickname because Ossoff comes out there and he, in an accusation, accidentally seems to make a confession.

00:33:14.160 Says, yeah, you know, you see a woman working for a man in politics, you know that guy's sleeping with her.

00:33:18.920 Which, if I were an enterprising young reporter, I would probably start calling up John Ossoff's female staff, present and past.

00:33:26.520 If John Ossoff is just assuming that men in politics sleep with their young female staffers, that seems like it could be a confession.

00:33:35.000 I'm not accusing John Ossoff of anything.

00:33:36.700 I don't know.

00:33:36.940 He might be a little too much like Pete Buttigieg. 1.00

00:33:38.460 I don't know if he's going for the young female staff, but he might be.

00:33:42.740 The very fact that he made that kind of accusation does open the door. 0.68

00:33:45.580 And so I think the nickname sticks really, really well.

00:33:48.540 Okay.

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00:34:35.000 My favorite comment yesterday is from Hard Boiled Entertainment.

00:34:37.020 Says, we'll get to the Oregon harvest story next.

00:34:39.720 But first, I want to talk about good ranchers.

00:34:42.480 Yes, it's true.

00:34:44.260 Don't eat the entrails of human beings living up in America's evil top hat.

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00:34:49.740 You need to eat 100% quality American beef.

00:34:52.120 Absolutely right.

00:34:53.440 Okay, I have a very special guest coming on.

00:34:55.140 Before we get to it, though, I do have to get to this last story.

00:34:58.480 We'll talk about the DSA tomorrow.

00:35:00.140 DSA, the Democratic Socialists, are now openly admitting that they hate the Constitution.

00:35:04.380 But just one last little bit from this Oval Office meeting at which Trump labeled John Ossoff Pee Wee Herman.

00:35:11.340 That Santa Cruz lifeguard, you know that kid who's 16 years old, he goes out, he saves the 10-year-old.

00:35:15.760 It was really, really beautiful.

00:35:18.860 Risked his own life, comes out of it, the kid is alive.

00:35:21.500 Trump invites him to the Oval Office and offers him this commendation.

00:35:26.720 We're honored to have all of you.

00:35:28.380 And again, what you did was incredible, and everybody saw it, and you'd watch it over and over.

00:35:37.380 I know when I first saw it, I said, roll that back.

00:35:39.600 I want to see that again.

00:35:40.620 Is that really happening?

00:35:43.200 And both of you people have to be very proud.

00:35:46.040 The whole group is proud, and your father is the happiest man in the world.

00:35:51.520 So this kid, his name is Ryder Williams from Santa Cruz.

00:35:55.240 Look, he's wearing the formal lifeguard uniform.

00:35:58.080 Apparently, there's a formal lifeguard uniform. It's great. He's right out of central casting,

00:36:02.660 looks good, sitting respectfully, obviously performed this heroic act. Trump invites him

00:36:07.960 to the White House, says, good on you. And the reason I love this, one, it's just a feel-good

00:36:11.940 story, and it was the right thing to do. But it really offers a contrast with the Obama era.

00:36:17.240 Because Obama did this kind of stuff too. But you remember how Obama did it? It wasn't when

00:36:20.580 some young kid heroically saved a life. It was when Ahmed showed up to school with a fake bomb.

00:36:26.900 That's the kid that Obama invited to the White House. 0.70

00:36:29.740 Do you remember that?

00:36:30.360 There was this kid, Ahmed. 1.00

00:36:31.520 He shows up to high school with a fake bomb. 0.53

00:36:33.980 And the way he presented it was that he had invented a clock.

00:36:36.920 He had made a clock.

00:36:37.560 He hadn't actually made a clock.

00:36:38.580 He bought a clock and then disassembled the clock

00:36:40.920 and put it into a suitcase to look like a bomb.

00:36:42.940 And he showed up to school.

00:36:43.900 His name was Ahmed.

00:36:44.940 And everyone said, hey, you shouldn't do that.

00:36:46.980 You shouldn't show up with a fake bomb to school.

00:36:49.100 And you probably definitely shouldn't do it 0.99

00:36:50.580 if your name's Ahmed. 1.00

00:36:51.560 And there was this whole little tempest in a teapot.

00:36:53.860 And what did Obama do?

00:36:54.620 He comes out, he says, cool clock, Ahmed.

00:36:56.720 Cool clock, Ahmed.

00:36:57.500 You want to bring that clock to the White House?

00:36:59.140 We should inspire more kids like you to like science.

00:37:01.940 It's what makes America great.

00:37:03.600 It's showing up to your high school and pretending that you got a bomb in a suitcase.

00:37:07.860 That's what, we're going to bring you to the White House.

00:37:09.580 That's what Obama recognized.

00:37:11.780 That's the kind of commendation he gave.

00:37:14.440 In the Trump era, it's these heroic kids who are in public service, who are saving kids

00:37:19.340 from the ocean.

00:37:20.420 Bring them over there.

00:37:21.480 Give them a nice plaque.

00:37:22.880 This, it shows you the total contrast.

00:37:25.580 It shows you the stakes, too. 1.00

00:37:27.560 Do you want the Ahmed bomb kind of country, or do you want a country full of these kids 1.00

00:37:33.100 who are actually engaging in public service and serving their neighbors? 0.87

00:37:36.860 Okay, now, speaking of what kind of country we want, speaking of different presidential

00:37:40.860 administrations, it is my honor to bring on the legendary political consultant and style

00:37:48.840 maven.

00:37:49.220 I also want to talk about, because my guest has a new project out that I'm personally very interested in.

00:37:55.680 That would be the great Roger Stone.

00:37:58.400 Roger, thank you for coming on the show.

00:38:01.680 Michael, great.

00:38:02.400 Thanks for having me.

00:38:04.020 So, Roger, there's a lot I want to talk to you about.

00:38:07.300 First off the bat, Wall Street Journal runs this article that the kids are Nixon maxing.

00:38:13.260 so uh nixon he's had a tough political legacy not just on the left but on the right a lot of people

00:38:20.740 they don't want to focus on nixon they want to they want to focus on reagan you know reagan was

00:38:24.260 sunnier he was brighter and nixon we just kind of want to forget about him now you worked for

00:38:29.180 nixon and reagan and trump you helped convince trump to run for president so you've got a long

00:38:34.780 record with all these guys but i have long felt that richard nixon got short shrift i feel the

00:38:41.340 left never forgave him for nailing Alger Hiss, for being totally right about a communist at the top

00:38:45.540 of the State Department. I think he was a great man. I think his story is inspirational. I think

00:38:50.560 he was run out by the deep state. And I think you're seeing a little bit of revision to the

00:38:55.220 story of Richard Nixon. Why is it happening now? Well, it's an excellent question. This is something

00:39:01.920 I've been trying to achieve for 30 years. President Trump has asked me numerous times,

00:39:07.560 why did Nixon quit? And the answer is because there was no internet in 1973, 1972 and three.

00:39:16.160 You had a monolithic media, three major news networks. You didn't really have national

00:39:22.620 newspapers yet, but you did have very influential news magazines, Newsweek, Time, Life, Look, and so

00:39:29.220 on. They were universally hostile to Nixon. And Nixon's great crime, of course, was when he was

00:39:36.020 elected, they assumed he was the ultimate hardliner. Nixon turned out to be a peacemaker.

00:39:42.020 He ended the war in Vietnam ahead of the schedule that the Pentagon wanted. He reached a strategic

00:39:48.960 arms limitation with the Soviets, something the Pentagon was opposed to. He opened the door to

00:39:54.520 China at a time that China was a dirt poor backwards agrarian society where a few people 0.96

00:40:01.820 had indoor plumbing and the rural areas had no electricity. It isn't until 30 years later, 0.77

00:40:08.520 when Bill Clinton gives China most favored nation trading status, then extended by George W. Bush, 0.90

00:40:16.040 that China becomes the dangerous nuclear and economic superpower that they are today. 0.91

00:40:22.640 Nixon very skillfully played the Chinese off against the Russians to secure that 0.94

00:40:27.680 strategic arms limitation agreement, which probably saved the American people billions

00:40:32.900 of dollars over time. Nixon was the first president to cut defense spending during his

00:40:40.500 time in office. And there is no question that this revision of Nixon, both the reexamination

00:40:48.580 of Watergate and the result and reexamination of his presidency, which is an extraordinarily

00:40:54.640 consequential presidency is really kicked off by J.D. Vance. When J.D. Vance goes to the Nixon

00:41:01.200 library and says accurately that Richard Nixon was taken down by the same deep state actors who

00:41:09.060 tried to take Donald Trump down, he kicks off this phenomena of Nixon maxing, aided by the

00:41:16.140 young guys at the Nixon Foundation who very skillfully use social media memes and short

00:41:23.380 videos on YouTube, on Instagram, on X, and so on, to get people to take a second look at Richard

00:41:31.360 Nixon, something I've been trying to do for 30 years. I've written two books on this,

00:41:35.640 Nixon Secrets, which is the untold story of the rise and fall Watergate and the Pardons,

00:41:42.980 and also Tricky Dick, the rise and fall and rise of Richard M. Nixon. I've been pounding on this

00:41:48.880 door for 30 years, but thanks to J.D. Vance, thanks to you, Michael, thanks to Chris Ruffo,

00:41:55.040 we're finally getting the re-examination that Richard Nixon and his presidency deserve.

00:42:00.820 Now, the one thing you left out there, Roger, well, one thing is that you're now in Matt Walsh's,

00:42:06.240 my friend's new real history show, about Watergate, about Nixon. But even more important

00:42:12.160 than that, people can go watch that up on Daily Wire, even more important than that,

00:42:16.160 you do have a tattoo of Richard Nixon on your back.

00:42:18.880 I do. But it's not a political statement. What it is, is a reminder. You can see in the mirror every morning that in life, when you get knocked down, when you suffer defeats, when you're disappointed, when you're discouraged, when you want to give up, that's the time you have to dust yourself off, get up off the mat and get back in the fight.

00:42:40.420 So the story of Nixon is a story of persistence. It's a story of resilience. It's it's it's an American story. And, you know, I thought about the possibility at some point of adding Goldwater, Reagan and Trump to have kind of a Mount Rushmore effect on my back.

00:42:59.600 But it would be pretty painful, to be honest.

00:43:01.780 That would be painful.

00:43:02.760 I mean, I like the impulse.

00:43:05.180 You know, I agree with the feeling, but that would be very painful.

00:43:09.500 Now, before I let you go, Roger, speaking of style and aesthetics, you are doing something

00:43:16.800 right now that I'm very interested in.

00:43:18.060 I have not spoken to you about this off camera.

00:43:20.240 It's the first you're hearing of it.

00:43:21.540 But I saw you have a new suit collection, suits, jackets, because you, in addition to

00:43:27.080 being a political consultant legend. You are, this is not flattery at all, you are well known

00:43:32.220 to be a style maven in the American conservative movement. So what is the new clothing project?

00:43:40.140 How do I get one of the cool double-breasted jackets? And can I ask you to do some fit checks

00:43:46.360 for various figures that the producers have pulled? First, let me just say very quickly

00:43:52.560 that the documentary that Matt Walsh is introducing on the Daily Wire on Watergate is the single

00:43:58.820 most complete story and exposure of what Watergate is really about. They nail it.

00:44:05.260 It's a must-see documentary and highly recommend it. It's got every single angle of how the deep

00:44:11.860 state and John Dean particularly took Richard Nixon down. But yes, I have a new men's clothing

00:44:19.780 line. You can find it at rogerstonesuits.com. It's custom men's clothing. And I did this because

00:44:28.340 when I speak to young people, particularly young men, ask me, you know, how can I be well-dressed?

00:44:34.840 And the truth is it doesn't cost a fortune. So I basically put together a collection of the basics,

00:44:41.580 navy blue blazers. Our spring summer collection includes seersucker, linen, salt,

00:44:49.300 madras. And we also have shirts, dress shirts, neckties, suspenders. All the things that are

00:44:59.440 hard to find today, but are the basics for a well-dressed gentleman can be found at

00:45:04.960 rogerstonesuits.com. And it's all custom. We will send somebody out to measure you,

00:45:10.600 Or there's an online program where you can put in your measurements and we make these to fit you in a custom sense.

00:45:17.960 All really traditional, classic, Ivy League, All-American or Savile Row, you know, affected style.

00:45:27.980 I cannot wait to go online and order some Roger Stone braces for my suit.

00:45:32.740 Before I let you go, though, we do this bit on the show and on social media, which is a fit check where they'll ask.

00:45:39.000 You know, I do care about traditional, classic American style.

00:45:42.860 And so I'll say, okay, can you critique the outfit?

00:45:45.860 Can you critique if it's all working?

00:45:47.500 So I want to bring in the real expert here.

00:45:49.840 The producers have assembled a series of pictures.

00:45:53.180 Let's just get the Roger Stone expert take.

00:45:56.260 Here we have, looks like Ronald Reagan wearing some kind of Brooklyn, Williamsburg hipster cap and glasses.

00:46:04.900 Do you have it on your screen, Roger?

00:46:06.000 I do. But let's recognize that was President Reagan when he was clearing brush at his ranch in the sky outside of Santa Barbara, California.

00:46:18.340 And the whole key to being well-dressed is being dressed appropriately for the activity in which you're about to engage.

00:46:25.900 So, in other words, don't wear workout clothes to a five-star restaurant. Don't wear a three-piece suit to a bowling alley.

00:46:32.560 Don't wear workout clothes when you're going to the mall.

00:46:36.000 So Reagan is dressed perfectly appropriately for clearing brush.

00:46:41.060 A great point.

00:46:41.860 It is not just a one size fits all.

00:46:44.800 You do different things in your life.

00:46:46.520 And a friend of mine once said, a gentleman is the sort of person who knows the occasion.

00:46:51.920 You need to know the occasion.

00:46:53.200 OK, next one.

00:46:55.640 OK, George W.

00:46:58.260 Well, look, this is a guy who was born in Connecticut, grew up in Massachusetts, and he's trying to look like a Texan.

00:47:05.020 And this is something his father did as well.

00:47:09.080 Fine.

00:47:09.780 If you're a faux Texan, which is really what he was, it looks it looks great.

00:47:15.900 I would never wear that, but it works OK for him.

00:47:19.220 Very diplomatic.

00:47:20.540 It was very a lot of subtlety there.

00:47:22.440 Next one.

00:47:25.260 Arnold.

00:47:27.640 Arnold.

00:47:28.880 Well, look, it works well for him.

00:47:31.060 He's a big guy with a big frame.

00:47:32.880 Therefore, he needs a larger shoulder, what's called a roped shoulder.

00:47:37.800 I think I think it's fine.

00:47:40.260 It's one of the great disappointments to me.

00:47:42.160 Once said he was a Reagan Republican, said at the National Convention.

00:47:46.760 But in his later days, he went woke on us.

00:47:50.760 Yes.

00:47:51.340 And to your point on the roped shoulder, you know, I love this is another little tidbit for the young trad men who want to dress a little better in the audience. 0.89

00:47:58.940 One of the great American inventions is the sack suit.

00:48:02.740 This was pioneered by places like J Press, Brooks Brothers, and that has a softer shoulder.

00:48:09.700 It's a little, a friend of mine described it as the kind of suit that's built for a potato-shaped man.

00:48:14.400 It's not darted like Italian suits.

00:48:16.240 And I really like them.

00:48:17.540 They're very, very comfortable.

00:48:19.520 It's a little more casual in that Ivy look.

00:48:22.200 And the other day, Roger, I got a sack blazer.

00:48:26.360 I just, I wanted to get a new blazer.

00:48:28.260 Hadn't had one in years.

00:48:28.920 I take it in to the wardrobe department and they say, Michael, that's much more flattering on you.

00:48:33.860 That really that that silhouettes a lot better.

00:48:35.780 And I said, well, that's kind of an insult because it's really this is meant for a potato.

00:48:40.980 Like the fact you're calling me fat, but but that's OK.

00:48:43.940 I agree. Different different for Arnold. Do we have another one?

00:48:49.260 Here he is. Tricky Dicky. What do you think?

00:48:52.020 You know, I think I actually think he slept in a suit, in all honesty.

00:48:55.340 I think it's a sort of because and when you see him in casual clothes, it's usually pretty clunky.

00:49:02.360 But let's recognize this is a guy who went from being, you know, dismissed from the Army, from the Navy, pardon me, in 1945,

00:49:13.140 went to the most prestigious New York law firms in his double-breasted California-style suit with

00:49:23.920 his resume, couldn't find a job, but mentions that he's looking out a skyscraper window and he sees

00:49:32.480 Dwight Eisenhower riding by in a ticker tape parade. Six years later, he is Dwight Eisenhower's

00:49:39.980 running mate for vice president. He goes back to California, runs for Congress in 1946, wins a very

00:49:45.620 tough race, gets reelected in 1948 when the Democrats, both parties nominate him, he's so

00:49:52.180 popular, and then gets elected to the Senate in a tough campaign in 1950 and on to the ticket.

00:49:57.740 Six years from being unemployed and leaving the Navy to being vice president of the United States,

00:50:04.980 that is by anybody's measure, a meteoric rise.

00:50:09.480 Meteoric, absolutely.

00:50:10.580 And you even think of his humble circumstances.

00:50:13.140 I've been, you can go, if you go to the Nixon Library,

00:50:14.780 you can go to his childhood home, it's on the property.

00:50:17.060 This guy did not come from money.

00:50:18.760 He couldn't go to Harvard.

00:50:19.740 He would have gone to Harvard,

00:50:20.560 but he couldn't go because his dad died

00:50:22.080 and he had to stay home and help take care of the family.

00:50:24.440 You know, really heroic journey.

00:50:27.560 And so, you know, he wasn't born

00:50:28.960 with a silver spoon in his mouth,

00:50:30.400 wearing a white tie and tails to dinner every night.

00:50:33.040 And I think the guy had great style.

00:50:37.120 There's that wonderful picture of him walking along the beach in Oxford shoes and a tie and his slacks.

00:50:44.760 And yes, you almost think he went swimming in a three-piece suit.

00:50:50.240 Yeah, no, he was wearing hush puppies on the beach.

00:50:52.860 You know, President Nixon walked my wife and I through that little home where he was born, where he lived on the grounds of the Nixon Library.

00:51:02.660 He said, you know, this is where I slept. This is where my brother slept. This is where they're going to lay me to rest. It is one of the most incredible memories that I have.

00:51:12.300 He was a great man. And I'm glad now, thanks to you and J.D. Vance and Chris Ruffo and hopefully a little bit myself, people are reexaminating his presidency, the end of the Vietnam War, the passage of a strategic arms limitation, the desegregation of the public schools,

00:51:31.100 the saving of Israel against the total annihilation in the 1973 Yom Kippur War,

00:51:38.360 the war on cancer, the 18-year-old vote, the end of the military draft. This list goes on and on.

00:51:45.580 The Environmental Protection Agency at a time that we had no environmental protection. Yeah,

00:51:51.260 today, I think he would look at it and realize that we're overregulated, but that's not how it

00:51:55.960 began. He was taken down by a cabal because he was going to reorganize the government and he was

00:52:01.920 going to take power away from the deep state. And that is the great story of the documentary that

00:52:08.260 your colleague Matt Walsh has put together. It's really amazing. Folks have to see it.

00:52:13.060 Nobody has done more to bring about the Nixon maxing than Roger Stone. That is a simple fact

00:52:18.700 of history. And so everyone needs to go check out Matt's new show on it, Real History.

00:52:24.940 the true story of Watergate

00:52:27.240 and they can go check out Roger's

00:52:29.300 suits too and I might have to do that because I need a new

00:52:31.380 pair of braces. Roger, thank you so much for

00:52:33.360 coming on the show. Michael

00:52:35.320 thanks for having me. God bless you my brother.

00:52:37.480 Alright, you too. Good to see everybody

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