00:10:56.220mainstream Democrat. The list goes on and on and on. We're talking about dozens of prominent
00:11:01.200Democrat politicians. So you can't just say it's some fringe guy on the left. And then she realizes,
00:11:06.580shoot, I meant to attack his rhetoric, Hassan Piker's, and then I accidentally found myself
00:11:12.500agreeing with his rhetoric in the same breath, on the same point. Hassan Piker says, America's0.50
00:11:17.580worse than Al-Qaeda because America bombed a school in Iran. Now, America didn't target the
00:11:23.380school in Iran. America didn't target civilians. Terrorism is when you target civilians to achieve
00:11:27.340a political end, which is what al-Qaeda explicitly does. What America did in Iran and what every
00:11:32.240country does in every war is sometimes they accidentally kill civilians when they're
00:11:36.820targeting militants. It's very sad, but it's totally different from terrorism.
00:11:40.360Not according to Debbie Dingell, not according to the Democrats. She goes, no, no, no. That
00:11:44.060specific point that Hassan Piker made, it's so offensive. I mean, he's kind of right, but
00:11:48.040I mean, it's about Abdul Syed who loves Hassan Piker. I mean, and she realizes she has to0.61
00:11:54.340criticize some of his actual rhetoric. So what does she do? Does she say, it's awful that he
00:11:58.460says he wipes himself with the American flag. Does she say, it's awful that he says we should
00:12:03.160murder Republican senators. It's awful that he personally fantasized about murdering Charlie0.97
00:12:07.840Kirk before one of his fellow travelers actually did it. No, she doesn't say any of that. You know
00:12:11.940what she says? She goes, he's not feminist enough. Seriously? Seriously? That's your criticism?
00:12:19.220that's that's oh the things he's said about women no hold on yeah okay he said bad things
00:12:24.740about women he tortured his dog he's done a lot of bad things i'm more interested in what he's
00:12:29.380said about america and you seem to agree with what he's said about america in this very interview
00:12:36.240lady oh yeah i mean yeah i mean i think yeah israel has a right to exist
00:12:42.200in other words her criticism of his rhetoric is he's a little bit too genocide-y
00:12:48.520a little a little touch heavy on the genocide rhetoric and he's not sufficiently feminist but
00:12:55.720really i just wish he would go away because he's inconvenient the democrats opposition to piker
00:13:00.600right now is purely tactical what how does she conclude this whole diatribe she says if he wants
00:13:07.920to see abdul al-sayed elected to the senate he needs to shut his trap not ultimately by the end
00:13:14.040of this interview, she's not really saying I disagree with Hassan Piker. She's not persuasively
00:13:18.800saying that. She's not really saying that he's wrong. She's not really saying that Abdul al-Sayed
00:13:23.860disagrees with him. She's trying to say that, but it's not persuasive because we know that
00:13:28.320Abdul al-Sayed does agree with Hassan Piker. He's said it many times. What she says is he needs to
00:13:33.800shut his trap because otherwise voters are going to figure out what we really think and then Abdul
00:13:38.240is going to lose. It's purely a tactical frustration, which means the Republicans
00:13:43.220must, must keep up the struggling. Okay, speaking of speaking out, the holdout juror in the Lindsay
00:13:50.200Clancy case is finally speaking out after weeks of reporting on his identity, after he was doxed,
00:13:55.760after his family has been harassed, after all sorts of attacks on his character. We'll get to
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00:15:19.580Michael P. Desronville, 48 years old. He is the lone juror who told those crazy ladies that they
00:15:26.160couldn't let Lindsey Clancy off the hook. We've heard all sorts of things about him. They find
00:15:30.280out he's a man. The women went nuts over that. Then they found out he's a black man that really0.98
00:15:34.900irritated the libs, that anchor on CBS. She was shocked. She was horrified. She was puking and0.99
00:15:40.280screaming when she found out. She says, wait, hold on. You're telling me the holdout juror was a
00:15:44.200black man? Hold on. Wow. Wait, I have to sit with that for a second. Then we find out he's
00:15:51.180apparently a devout Catholic. He's a Haitian immigrant. It's kind of funny that it also
00:15:54.720confounds the left and the right's reaction to this thing. Anyway, Michael Desronville
00:15:59.120is responding to specific accusations. One of them was, and you saw this in some of the
00:16:04.740reporting coming from the female jurors, that he's just a dumb idiot. He's just a stupid black1.00
00:16:08.800man who didn't understand the instructions from the judge. That was the accusation that was made1.00
00:16:13.320against him. The judge said that he had to believe that she was guilty beyond a reasonable doubt,
00:16:19.280and he expressed to us that he had reasonable doubts about her guilt, but he voted guilty1.00
00:16:24.140anyway, this dumb guy, this dumb man, black man with his religion, ignoring the law and1.00
00:16:32.340the instructions. Well, he just responded to that. He said, they're just making that up.1.00
00:16:36.520He said in an interview with News Nation, I did not have any doubts. As I tried to explain
00:16:43.600different possible theories during deliberation, I kept getting cut off as if I had doubts based
00:16:49.360on the evidence present. I love his explanation. He goes, yeah, it's so weird. I was in this room
00:16:54.120filled with 10 crazy women, 10 like particularly insane women. And as I tried to speak, they kept1.00
00:17:01.160cutting me off. Isn't that so strange? It's shocking, right? Based on all the physical
00:17:06.460evidence, key witnesses, and what the prosecution presents, I thought it was proof enough that she,
00:17:12.080Lindsay Clancy, knew exactly what she was doing and planned. In other words, he followed the
00:17:17.900judge's instructions to a T. His female jurors, by the way, did not. His female jurors, when they
00:17:23.060were haranguing him when they were trying to struggle session Michael Desronville, they were0.95
00:17:27.140violating the judge's instructions. They were violating jury procedure. They were bringing in
00:17:32.900supposed evidence from nurses, for instance, who were on the jury that was not presented in the
00:17:37.600court. You're not allowed to consider that when you're deliberating as a juror. So they were the
00:17:41.000ones who were breaking the judge's instructions. They were the ones who were violating the
00:17:44.300procedures, not this guy, this lone guy who stood up against these lunatics in favor of justice.
00:17:51.060really really good stuff in a world of lindsey clancy's we want we all endeavor to be that
00:17:58.700catholic haitian black guy we should all that is something to aim for really good stuff i'm i'm
00:18:05.760almost ready to call for him to receive the presidential medal of freedom really good stuff0.85
00:18:09.800and i'm glad he can clear the record as their people are really really attacking his character
00:18:13.080now speaking of the clancy case shocking stuff patrick clancy the husband of lindsey clancy
00:18:19.500is speaking out now. This is a guy who has endured basically the worst thing you can possibly imagine.
00:18:25.780Maybe the single worst thing you can possibly even fathom. He is sitting down on 60 Minutes
00:18:31.280with Ross Douthat. The interview is not out yet. I guess it'll come out this Sunday.
00:18:35.520Ross, who was the conservative at the New York Times and a very thoughtful conservative columnist,
00:18:40.360Ross left the New York Times to take this gig at 60 Minutes. And so this is the revamping,
00:18:45.660the big launch and the big launch is with Patrick Clancy. They've released little 10 second snippets
00:18:50.540of the interview. Here's the one that's going most viral. I talked to them. What do you say?
00:18:57.820Help me all the time. Who is them here? Them is his children. Ross is asking, you know,
00:19:09.920tell me about how you think about your kids now after they were brutally murdered by
00:19:14.920their mother and he says I talk to them all the time now this is a coping mechanism that a lot
00:19:22.700of people do when a loved one dies is they they were talking to these people and then
00:19:28.140when they're gone whether you talk about your mother or your grandmother or especially your
00:19:32.240little kids they're gone suddenly unexpectedly and it's very natural to keep trying to talk to
00:19:37.140them. He says, I talk to them all the time. What do you say? This is the part that is most
00:19:44.700illuminating. He says, I ask them to help me. So there are two reactions to this online. One of
00:19:51.760them is this poor guy. The good reaction online is this poor guy. This guy has clearly been through
00:19:57.940about the worst trauma you can imagine. He clearly is showing signs of PTSD and he's coping any way
00:20:04.340he can. You know the other reaction online? The other reaction online is, oh, he's not reacting
00:20:09.820the way I want him to react. He's a sociopath. Maybe he did it. This is an argument that some0.99
00:20:15.700of Lindsey Clancy's insane supporters have been promoting, even though Lindsey Clancy herself
00:20:19.780does not promote that, even though Lindsey Clancy's lawyer does not promote that. Lindsey Clancy and
00:20:23.880Lindsey Clancy's lawyer both admit she murdered those children, but some of her insane supporters
00:20:27.880among the SSRI set of the lunatic ladies on the internet, they're saying, no, no, no, Lindsey,
00:20:32.800No, no, you don't know. You don't understand what happened. It was actually the husband.0.91
00:20:36.020So you are seeing a deluge of vicious attacks on Patrick Clancy. He's not grieving in the right
00:20:43.240way. He's not grieving the way that I would expect him to grieve. He's not grieving in a way that I
00:20:48.400approve of. It's the same sort of thing you see on the internet with Erica Kirk after the murder
00:20:52.580of her husband that you see with a lot of people that reveal something personal, that give a lot
00:20:59.920of vulnerability, and that is always exploited on the internet. One tactical point that I would make
00:21:05.780is in as much as it is possible, with big public events, sometimes it's not possible,
00:21:10.320but in as much as it is not possible, I'm very much of the old school. We live in a very
00:21:15.480confessional age. We live in an age where everything that was once private is now being
00:21:20.700made public. Mothers are filming, giving breakfast to their kids all the time. They're turning their
00:21:25.700private home life into some kind of reality TV show on Instagram. People, men are crying in
00:21:31.580public. People just reveal a lot about themselves. They make personal confessions to everybody. They
00:21:39.540do it in public. I think that's a bad idea. I'm of the old school. I am of the Tony Soprano ilk.
00:21:45.800Whatever happened to guys like Gary Cooper? I think that you need to keep a lot of these
00:21:50.540things to yourself. In a case like Lindsey Clancy or Erica Kirk or any of these big public murder
00:21:59.880cases, you're public figures, so you're kind of limited with what you can do. But for the people
00:22:05.600who are private, the reactions to these cases, to a grieving widow or to a grieving father in this
00:22:15.160case, the reactions of people online reveal, one, that the imagination of man's heart is evil from
00:22:21.260his very youth, as I'm not the first to observe it. But two, there's a great deal of power in
00:22:28.180playing things a little closer to the best. I think that's tactically just a better idea in
00:22:34.640as much as you can, because people will tear apart anyone online, including a guy like Patrick
00:22:39.660Clancy, who is just one of the most victimized people you've ever seen in your life. But before
00:22:46.040we move on from him, I do want to get to the theological point. Because those are the two
00:22:49.260reactions. Oh, this poor guy, he's coping. He's imagining himself talking to his kids.
00:22:53.200That's kind of, he's asking them for help. That's kind of weird. Or he's a vicious sociopath and
00:22:58.800I'm team Lindsay and we need to free the woman who killed her children. There is a third observation0.52
00:23:05.100here though, which is that what Patrick Clancy is saying specifically is perfectly in keeping
00:23:13.600with the Christian tradition. This is a profound theological insight. As far as I can tell from
00:23:19.820the reporting, Patrick Clancy's kids were baptized. This is the one consolation in the whole case.
00:23:27.960They were baptized and they were below the age of reason. So according to traditional Christian1.00
00:23:33.680teaching, those kids are in heaven. We can know with certainty that they are in heaven because
00:23:39.660the stain of original sin was washed away in the waters of baptism and they were not yet old enough
00:23:45.540to incur personal sin because a three-year-old can't incur personal sin because a three-year-old
00:23:50.900does not have sufficiently developed faculties of reason and discipline. So the traditional
00:23:57.060Christian teaching, I know people's mileage may vary here with their own theological views,
00:24:03.680But the traditional teaching, the teaching that is still held by the Catholic Church and by the Eastern Orthodox Church and by the more traditional forms of Protestantism, is that we're born with original sin.
00:33:29.580I think that what we've seen, especially, it's not just what has happened with the act and not just in removing Macklemore from the lineup,
00:33:41.280but when you see what Robert Kraft did to line up all of the stadiums to censor speech in that one
00:33:49.920specific way, it's become clear that this is not just about one music artist or two music artists,
00:33:57.760but this is about how just a handful of stadium owners and the elite can prevent an entire massive
00:34:07.680um issue in this case the genocide in gaza but it doesn't stop there it could be speaking out
00:34:14.400about ai it could be speaking out about any issue that you can now just get a handful of stadium
00:34:20.720owners to ensure that an entire person's career can be jeopardized if they speak out about any
00:34:27.600issue the supporting acts have dropped out but ed sheeran i think will still continue with the tour
00:34:32.720um do you what do you think his responsibility is in all of this um you know i i i don't know
00:34:40.000um but you know i think that because you never see these contracts and sometimes i have no idea
00:34:47.860what the financial entanglements of that of all that is but i do think that um you know i think
00:34:54.340that the right thing to do is to speak out about it and i think okay all right so you get her point
00:34:58.800You've got to speak out. I don't know all the story, but you've got to speak out.
00:35:03.220This was really about the stadium owners and a small group of people shutting down
00:35:07.960political speech. Can I just say, she's kind of right. Hold on. She's not right,
00:35:15.520but she makes at least one good point. There was no popular uproar over Macklemore being on the
00:35:23.580tour. There was no popular blowback against Ed Sheeran from the audience, from the fans,
00:35:28.760because Macklemore is super pro-Palestine and anti-Israel or whatever. I think he is that.
00:35:34.180I don't know. I haven't even looked into his views that closely, but that's what I gather
00:35:37.240from the reporting. There was no popular uproar. It was a very, very small group of powerful people
00:35:42.900in the music industry who shut down Macklemore. That's true. She's right about that. She's right.
00:35:47.960And she says, this is a grave, terrible threat.
00:35:52.500One way I know that there was no popular uproar
00:36:09.680For the first time ever, at least in recent memory,
00:36:13.720this poll goes all the way back to 2002,
00:36:15.720too. Just in February of this year, America flips more pro-Palestine than pro-Israel,
00:36:23.12041 to 36. The rest of the people don't have an opinion or don't care. So she's right. It's not
00:36:28.820about a popular upward. However, first of all, 41 to 36, that's pretty tight. Okay, so that means
00:36:34.720there are a lot of people who are quite pro-Israel, who are quite anti-Palestine. Even if more people
00:36:40.020are pro-Palestine, that's a controversial issue for a music venue. That's true. And even if it's
00:36:45.000true that a small number of people shut down this political speech. I don't seem to recall AOC
00:36:48.900having a trouble with that before. You remember going back, I don't know, at least 10 years now,
00:36:54.460really going back like 50 or 60 years. You remember when a very small group of people
00:36:57.980controlled the establishment media, TV news media, Hollywood, the new media, Facebook,
00:37:05.560YouTube, all that, and they shut down conservative speech all the time? I remember that because I was
00:37:09.660part of that because I was one of the people who was censored. Do you remember? You don't even have
00:37:14.180to go back that far. You remember during COVID when a very small group of people who controlled
00:37:18.340YouTube and Facebook and at one point Twitter, when they censored conservatives for saying,
00:37:24.800hey, maybe this vaccine doesn't work that well. Hey, maybe putting a hanky on our face won't
00:37:29.780stop people from getting the flu. Hey, maybe we shouldn't shut down the entire world over a
00:37:34.400sniffle. Remember that and people lost their lives? Remember when people raised questions
00:37:38.380about all of the changes to the electoral system around the 2020 election and they got all of their
00:37:42.720social media accounts nuked, not because of a popular uprising, but because of the powerful
00:37:46.280control of a small group of people. I don't remember AOC speaking up then. She's just
00:37:50.540irritated because she hates Israel and she loves Palestine or whatever. So now that this is her
00:37:55.280hobby horse political issue, now it's a big deal. And furthermore, beyond all of this,
00:37:59.380you say you're setting down political speech. Good. I want political speech shut down at my
00:38:05.360concerts. Ed Sheeran, whose concert it is, wanted political speech shut down. Not because he's
00:38:11.960super left-wing or super right-wing, but because he realizes that is not what concerts are for.
00:38:17.240Concerts are for entertainment. Johnny Carson was a huge lib. He was like a huge lib.
00:38:23.380But Johnny Carson realized that if he was pontificating about his politics every night,
00:38:29.240people would tune him out. So he kept his mouth shut on politics, and he's the most popular
00:38:32.420television late-night host that's ever existed. Elvis Presley, he had political views. He was
00:38:39.360asked about them all the time. He said, I prefer to keep them to myself. I'm an entertainer.
00:38:42.660Dolly Parton said the same thing. Even the Beatles, who were obviously kind of lib,
00:38:46.200but even the Beatles on politics basically kept their mouths shut because they said that's not
00:38:49.880what this is for. Michael Jordan, the greatest basketball player ever, he said Republicans wear
00:38:54.600sneakers too. Macklemore is entirely in the wrong here. AOC is entirely hypocritical here.
00:39:02.140Ed Sheeran is the victim, and this is what he gets for trying to help out a friend.
00:39:06.040totally outrageous aoc kind of has a point but she never applies that point to her own side to0.84
00:39:13.400her own side's violations and she totally misunderstands the purpose of entertainment
00:39:17.620okay i have so much more to get to i have so much more to get to abdul al-sayed admitting that the
00:39:23.200affordability thing is a complete joke cnn great news on cnn about how nearly half of michiganers0.81
00:39:31.140say they won't elect a muslim president maybe because they saw run hide fight infidels on0.84
00:39:34.680dailywire.com. My favorite comment yesterday, there were three. There were three. I had to do1.00
00:39:40.520three because they were all too good. Regarding that man, the white guy in New York who looked
00:39:46.640like Shaggy, who tried to do an ISIS attack, this is from Overtost, says, zoink, Scoob,0.78
00:39:52.160like glory to Allah and like blessed be the prophet Muhammad. From the Drummer's Workshop,
00:39:58.740Norm's Music, he was promised 72 Scooby snacks in heaven. And from X,
00:40:04.160s hallier solid at 1194 this one doesn't relate to the scooby-doo thing this is more to the point
00:40:11.540on uh the difference between the left and the right he sums it up very well he says conservatives we
00:40:15.800might hate each other but we absolutely love our country that's so true you put it very you put it
00:40:19.960better than i could that's true the left they all agree with each other the only times they get
00:40:25.300frustrated with each other is when some of them are being too honest like a son piker right now
00:40:28.800But they all basically agree, and they, to varying degrees, hate the country.
00:40:34.000They either think it's a terrible country with an original sin and with a lot of oppression that we need to fix and fundamentally transform,
00:40:39.600or they think America deserves 9-11 and we're worse terrorists than Al-Qaeda.