The Michael Knowles Show - Ep. 256 - The End Of Feminism

00:00:00.000 Last Thursday, feminist writer and podcaster Megan Murphy tweeted her observation that men

00:00:05.360 aren't women. Twitter promptly suspended Murphy for hate speech. As somebody who's been banned

00:00:11.000 from Twitter for making completely innocuous statements before, I feel for Murphy. She is now

00:00:16.420 experiencing as a leftist the same targeting and censorship that big tech companies inflict on

00:00:21.460 conservatives on a daily basis. But I cannot help but feel just a teeny tiny supremely satisfying

00:00:29.280 tinge of schadenfreude as the left's ideological chickens come home to roost. The problem is clear.

00:00:36.560 The left can have transgenderism or feminism, but it can't have both. Murphy correctly observes that 0.98

00:00:42.940 transgender ideology, which believes that gender is fluid and socially constructed, undermines

00:00:48.320 feminism, which advocates the advancement of women, a real and essential gender category. What Murphy 0.99

00:00:54.360 doesn't seem to understand, however, is that the root of this new censorious anti-woman ideology of 0.99

00:01:00.600 transgenderism lies in feminism itself. First wave feminists of the 18th and 19th century, 1.00

00:01:07.820 women like Mary Wollstonecraft and Elizabeth Cady Stanton acknowledged and celebrated the differences

00:01:13.600 between the sexes. Both of them were married. Elizabeth Cady Stanton actually was married to the

00:01:18.420 co-founder of the Republican Party. Just a little aside, they didn't hate men. They didn't hate the

00:01:23.700 natural differences between men and women. By the 1960s, however, radical feminists of the second

00:01:29.100 wave, women like Shulamith Firestone, rejected the complementarity of the sexes. Shulamith Firestone 0.99

00:01:35.260 called the love between men and women the single greatest impediment to women's liberation, and she sought 0.70

00:01:41.220 to deconstruct gender categories altogether. In this very extreme view, sexual difference necessarily impedes

00:01:48.080 equality. Therefore, no distinction between men and women may be tolerated. Now, 50 years later,

00:01:54.660 it's that very premise that threatens to destroy the feminist ideology that begot it altogether. 1.00

00:02:00.040 The left can have transgenderism or it can have feminism. It cannot have both. Either men cannot be 0.98

00:02:05.780 women or there is no such thing as a woman. Either men and women are distinct categories or, to quote

00:02:13.320 Planned Parenthood back in March, some men have a uterus. If some men have a uterus, that is to say,

00:02:20.240 if some men are women, then what exactly is a woman? If the sexes are the same or they're only 0.93

00:02:26.560 superficially different, they're only different in a trivial way, then why do we have different words,

00:02:31.840 man and woman, to describe the same thing? Further, if there's no categorical distinction between man and

00:02:37.760 woman, that is to say, if there is no real difference between the sexes, then what precisely is 1.00

00:02:43.200 feminism? Shouldn't we just have humanism or mankindism? The very word feminism demands that 1.00

00:02:50.620 there be a difference between men and women. Even the targeting and the censorship that Murphy is

00:02:55.480 now experiencing finds its roots in the second wave of the feminist movement. Those radicals of 1.00

00:03:00.480 the 60s and 70s adopted the slogan, the personal is the political. This comes from the title of an

00:03:06.040 essay by feminist writer Carol Hanisch. The personal is the political. That means that the private is the

00:03:11.420 political. There's no difference between our private lives and our public obligations. That

00:03:17.540 distinction, however, between the public and the private is essential to our liberal society. The

00:03:22.780 erosion of that distinction has coarsened the character of political activism and it's encouraged

00:03:27.500 a politics of animosity and personal destruction. The trouble for the left now is that it's set leftism on a

00:03:34.860 course of radical subjectivism that prioritizes feeling over fact, your truth over my truth, over

00:03:42.460 the truth. It even justifies the censorship of opinions by redefining speech as violence, which has

00:03:48.980 led us to justify the censorship of triggering, unsafe, hateful language as a violent act. Megan Murphy is

00:03:57.680 absolutely right to acknowledge that men are not women and she's right to fear the consequences of a 0.99

00:04:02.960 politics that is so personal. Conservatives have long known these simple truths. Now the leftist

00:04:08.560 feminists, such as Murphy, face a difficult choice. Do they ally with conservatives who support free 0.99

00:04:14.240 speech and admit facts don't care about your feelings or do they persist with a left that would annihilate

00:04:20.120 feminism altogether? I'm Michael Knowles and this is The Michael Knowles Show.

00:04:31.880 A lot to get to. One of the most interesting questions facing leftist ideology right now. Plus,

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00:05:51.820 a better way to cook. So much to get to. But I love this question. We have to delve into this question

00:05:59.260 because the left is finally acknowledging this central conundrum in their ideology, which is

00:06:07.120 you can have transgenderism or you can have feminism, but you cannot have both. Right now

00:06:13.240 at Eastern Michigan University, this school is canceling a performance of the vagina monologues.

00:06:19.300 If you, you know, I've done a lot of theater in my life, so I'm familiar with this. If you're not

00:06:23.560 familiar, it's women who get on stage and they talk about their vaginas. That's the vagina monologues. 1.00

00:06:28.400 This was a groundbreaking theater in recent years. They're canceling this performance. Why is it?

00:06:34.460 This has long been a favorite staple of feminist groups on campus. They always do the vagina 1.00

00:06:39.060 monologues. The reason they're canceling it is because it's offensive to people. Because of course,

00:06:45.260 not all women have vaginas. And not all people who have vaginas are women. Don't you know that?

00:06:49.920 Of course, that's ridiculous, but that's what they believe now. Not all women have vaginas. 0.96

00:06:54.580 Because some men who dress like women or who think that they're women or who very much want to be 0.61

00:06:59.600 women are now calling themselves women. And this erases the category. I feel for this woman, 0.85

00:07:05.700 Megan Murphy. If you're watching Megan, this feminist writer in Canada, you're welcome to

00:07:10.480 come on the show anytime you want. We can talk about this because it has me siding with the

00:07:15.060 feminists. That's a rare occurrence. Choosing that new gender ideology or feminism is a little bit 1.00

00:07:21.480 choosing cyanide or arsenic. But if I have to choose, I'm going to choose the feminists because 1.00

00:07:26.420 at least they're sort of talking about women. At least feminists of the old school, at least of 1.00

00:07:33.080 the first wave, are talking about women. And the feminists in the 1960s and 70s made a deal with

00:07:39.380 the devil. Specifically, they made a deal with Karl Marx and Friedrich Nietzsche. They made a deal

00:07:45.040 with relativism, with nihilism, with obliterating the category of gender altogether. The reason they did 0.99

00:07:53.340 this, it makes perfect sense why they did this. That first wave of feminists, they wanted the vote 1.00

00:07:59.280 for women. They were suffragettes. They wanted certain political protections, certain political 1.00

00:08:03.680 privileges and advantages and economic advantages. Okay, that's fine. They still acknowledged that men

00:08:10.240 are men and women are women. Men and women have different bodies. They have different virtues in many

00:08:16.520 ways. They have different tendencies, often have different goals, have different ways of being.

00:08:22.160 Just for one example, women tend to be more moderate than men. Harvey Mansfield writes about

00:08:28.480 this in his book, Manliness. They tend to be more moderate than men. I can tell you this because I

00:08:33.280 was at a bachelor party two weeks ago. I know that moderation is not a particularly manly virtue. It's

00:08:38.660 not something that men are very good at. Men tend to be bolder, more assertive, and more willing to take

00:08:44.220 risks. That's why the vast majority of entrepreneurs are men, because they're more willing to engage in risky

00:08:51.020 behavior. That's why the people who fall off of mountains and go swimming with sharks also tend

00:08:56.160 to be men, because they take riskier behavior that sometimes leads to needless danger. Women do not 1.00

00:09:01.300 do that as much. What are some other virtues? Modesty is one. Women are more naturally inclined to the 1.00

00:09:08.140 virtue of modesty. This is another virtue that feminism has tried to cancel out. They've tried to 1.00

00:09:12.900 pretend that men and women have the same attitude towards sex. For instance, men are not terribly modest.

00:09:18.580 Men, if anything, are given to a little boastfulness or a little aggression. And women are modest,

00:09:23.720 which is why men pursue women. I really can't stay. Baby, it's cold outside. The man is pursuing

00:09:28.840 the woman. The woman says, oh, I really shouldn't, but I'd like to, because it's very nice to be here

00:09:32.380 with you. Feminists have attacked that traditionally feminine virtue as well. Now they've insisted that 1.00

00:09:39.140 women be promiscuous, that women go out and treat sex just like men do. But the trouble is men 1.00

00:09:44.680 like casual sex a lot more than women do. And a lot of what you're seeing on campus, the so-called 0.98

00:09:50.080 campus rape epidemic, is not so much about rape. It's about consensual relations that maybe involve 0.97

00:09:57.180 a little too much booze or a little too much this or that, and a lot of bad ideology. So in a lot of these

00:10:02.780 campus so-called rape hoaxes, we've found out from text messages or emails or phone calls that

00:10:08.540 very often women will go back to the man's room. They'll engage in certain sexual acts that are 1.00

00:10:15.340 perfectly consensual. And then the next day they will regret it and say, this was rape because I

00:10:20.960 didn't really want to do it, or I wish I hadn't done it, or I drank too much, or whatever you want

00:10:24.980 to say. The cause of this, obviously this is not to say that men should ever feel that they can get

00:10:31.620 aggressive, or if a woman says no, that they should be able to have sex with her anyway. That is totally, 0.93

00:10:36.680 that's the point that feminists want to focus on. That isn't the point. The point is that second 1.00

00:10:42.040 wave feminism has made these women miserable. Studies show this. From the 1970s all the way to, 1.00

00:10:49.140 I think the study goes up to around 2010, we see that women become much less happy during the rise 1.00

00:10:56.360 of second and third wave feminism. That's true in relative terms, that's true in absolute terms, 1.00

00:11:01.000 not just relative to men, but absolutely their happiness has decreased. A lot of this has to do

00:11:06.300 with the denial that men and women are different. And just as a matter of talking about the virtues

00:11:13.620 of men and women, it seems to me an insane notion that developed in the 60s and 70s, that the only way

00:11:20.280 for women to be free, to be equal, to be living their best lives, is to pretend to be men, to be a worse 0.99

00:11:27.840 version of men, to be aggressive, to be promiscuous, to be what all of, some of the worst characters

00:11:33.300 and characteristics of men that women would adopt. This seems crazy to me. Even just on that question

00:11:39.600 of promiscuity and the virtue of modesty. It is true there's a sexual double standard, that this

00:11:45.640 has been true forever. Men get away with more, they get away with more casual sex, and women take them 0.99

00:11:51.720 back, and this isn't true the other way around. The traditional response of women to this is to try to 1.00

00:11:57.360 get men to stop being such dogs, to stop being such cats. But the response of second wave feminism 1.00

00:12:03.660 changed that, flipped it on its head and said women should be dogs too. Women aren't any better than men 1.00

00:12:08.800 in that regard, but in that regard really they are traditionally. All of this is to say when you erode

00:12:15.820 the distinction between men and women, you end up with transgender ideology that ironically guts

00:12:24.320 feminism itself. I'm not, when I talk about transgenderism, I'm not talking about the handful

00:12:30.000 of people who are confused psychologically about their gender. They're a man, he's a man who thinks

00:12:36.660 he's a woman, or he very much wants to be a woman. That, we're talking in that case about 0.2 to 0.4%

00:12:43.100 of the population at the wildest estimates. I'm not talking about those people. I'm talking about the

00:12:47.980 ideology of transgenderism, which is being foisted on us by leftist activists, which is 0.56

00:12:54.280 why 0.2% of the population is dominating the national conversation about the sexes, because

00:12:59.840 it's not really about helping those people at all. What it's about is erasing the difference between

00:13:04.600 men and women. Okay, fine, that's one strategy if they want to take it. They say, okay, the way for 0.99

00:13:10.860 women to be equal to men is to just behave like men and pretend that they're men and to act like men. 1.00

00:13:16.000 All right, if there's no difference between men and women, as we are told time and time again,

00:13:21.460 there's no difference. Even the physical differences are minor, but really, on a real level,

00:13:27.020 there's no difference. Then what's a woman? The reason that we have different words for men and 1.00

00:13:32.880 women is because they're different. If men and women are the same, you would only have one word, 1.00

00:13:39.660 which is man, right? Or woman, I guess, but you don't really just one word. There wouldn't be any

00:13:44.840 difference. Okay, now few of us would grant that, that there's actually no difference between men and

00:13:50.400 women, even though the ideologues are trying to tell us this. But take that one step further.

00:13:56.080 If there's no difference between men and women, then why do we have feminism? Feminism, femme, 1.00

00:14:02.240 it comes from femme, from females. But if there's no distinction between males and females, why have

00:14:07.360 feminism at all? What is feminism? It's nothing. What this opens the door to, especially the transgender 1.00

00:14:13.360 ideology, is a question of who gets to define what a woman is. And this is the big argument that people 1.00

00:14:21.480 like Megan Murphy, the feminist writer, is having with Twitter right now, which is Twitter is taking 1.00

00:14:27.180 the side of the transgender ideology, and Megan Murphy is defending the feminist ideology. And what 0.52

00:14:34.000 Megan Murphy is saying is, I am a woman. I will define what a woman is. Men do not get to define what a 0.93

00:14:41.500 woman is. And what Twitter is saying is, no, what are you talking, there's no definition of men and

00:14:47.300 women. No, how dare you, how hateful of you. But just think of the transgender ideology. One of its 1.00

00:14:55.020 expressions is transvestitism, crossdressers, drag queens, you go to drag bars. Would you say that a 1.00

00:15:01.840 drag queen, and I'm from New York, so there are drag bars all over the village, you know, you see this a

00:15:06.700 fair bit. Would you say that a drag queen is a woman, that that's what a woman is? No, of course 1.00

00:15:13.120 not. That's one fantasy version of a woman. That's a caricature or a cartoon of a woman. Big eyelashes, 1.00

00:15:21.980 crazy hair, wild outfits, big lipstick and everything. That's a cartoon of a woman. But that's not a woman. 1.00

00:15:31.180 And feminists have been telling us for years, they're saying, how dare you doll us up and force 1.00

00:15:34.460 us to wear makeup and high heels and big eyelashes. That's not what a woman is. A woman can be 1.00

00:15:40.340 anything. This is the snake eating its own tail. This is the natural, logical conclusion of second

00:15:47.960 wave feminism. The feminists like Megan Murphy are upset about this now because obviously it's 1.00

00:15:54.000 undercutting their entire ideology. But this is not some random turn of events that swooped in and

00:16:01.520 tried to undermine feminism. The roots of feminisms being undermined is in the ideology itself. 0.75

00:16:09.400 You have to decide, are men and women different or are men and women exactly the same? Are the sexes

00:16:16.560 complementary or are the sexes indiscernible, identical, exactly without any distinction between

00:16:25.720 them? Reasonable people, for all of history and including right now, all reasonable people will

00:16:32.120 have to conclude men and women are different, are complementary. This is true biologically. This is

00:16:38.240 true spiritually. This is true psychologically. This is simply true. It's true socially. They are

00:16:44.240 complementary and different. They are not exactly the same. But this raises many more difficult questions

00:16:50.420 for the left because if men and women really are different, if there is a difference between the

00:16:55.440 sexes, then what are we to make of the court's redefining marriage? The court has redefined marriage

00:17:01.900 to include monogamous same-sex unions, but not polygamous same-sex unions, not polygamous

00:17:07.780 different-sex unions. Why is that? Because the premise, not the debate over whether we should

00:17:14.400 expand the definition of marriage, but the premise of just doing it by judicial fiat is that sexual

00:17:20.840 difference doesn't matter to marriage. It doesn't really matter that much at all. But the question is

00:17:26.100 what is marriage? Does sexual difference have something to do with marriage? It has for all of history in

00:17:31.320 every single society ever. Now we are on an experiment of the gender-neutral society. We're trying to see if we

00:17:38.680 can erase sexual distinctions, not just from marriage, but from bathrooms, from occupations,

00:17:45.080 from battle, from athletics. Can we erase them? And I suppose we can. We're doing it. We're plotting

00:17:52.740 along. But is that good? Is that good for women? Is that good for men? Is it good for society? Is it

00:17:58.420 real? I'm not so sure about that. If we conclude that men and women are different, I think it's very hard

00:18:04.140 to look through history and culture and just our own experience of the world and pretend that sexual

00:18:10.180 difference doesn't have something to do with marriage, for instance, or that sexual difference

00:18:15.540 doesn't have something to do with athletics. You know, now millennials are shocked when they find out

00:18:22.200 that Serena Williams can't beat professional male tennis players. Remember, there was that big hubbub 0.99

00:18:27.140 a while ago. Serena Williams, the Williams sisters were insisting that they could beat male tennis

00:18:32.640 players. And this became, of course they could. They're wonderful tennis players, but they can't.

00:18:37.020 They can't at all. They tried this in 1998 at the Australian Open. They said that they would be

00:18:42.640 able to beat any male tennis player ranked outside of the top 200. So the guy who was ranked number 203,

00:18:48.040 Karsten Brosh, decided he would play both of them in the same day and see if they could beat him.

00:18:53.260 He prepared for his matches by playing a round of golf, drinking a couple of beers, and smoking a few

00:18:59.900 cigarettes. He beat one of the Williams sisters six to two and the other one six to one. He handily

00:19:06.100 beat, of course, I'm not making fun of the Williams sisters or female athletes. I'm saying that male

00:19:10.620 athletes and female athletes are different, and men physically are stronger than women. This is a fact 0.99

00:19:16.340 of biology and a fact of nature. We're trying to pretend that that isn't true. We're seeing this now in

00:19:22.040 certain combat positions among soldiers. We're seeing this in other athletics as well. There was that

00:19:28.600 woman, Tamika Brents, I believe, a female UFC fighter who decided she was going to fight a 0.99

00:19:34.780 transgender, which means male, fighter, someone named Fallon Fox. So they went into the ring.

00:19:41.120 Tamika Brents is a great athlete. She got her skull crushed. She got her skull cracked open by this guy.

00:19:46.900 She said she'd never felt more overpowered in her life. Of course, men are physically stronger.

00:19:51.840 This is why in our culture, men don't hit women, like Michael Avenatti, allegedly. You're not

00:19:56.880 supposed to hit women. Why would we not hit women if men and women are exactly the same? 0.95

00:20:01.920 If men and women are exactly the same, there's no difference, then there's no reason 0.76

00:20:05.000 to treat women in some special way. But of course, men and women are different. We should treat them

00:20:10.500 in a special way. We've been grappling with this problem for a long time. Conservatives have been

00:20:14.920 pushing and discussing this for a long time. We haven't let up on it, even in the wake of second

00:20:19.800 wave and third wave feminism. Transgenderism brings this issue to the bear because it's no longer 0.97

00:20:25.360 just theoretical. It's no longer just a question of, well, you know, perhaps in some hypothetical

00:20:31.580 world, men and women are the same. No. Men are now pretending to be women. They're demanding

00:20:36.340 that they use the changing rooms with little girls. They're demanding that bathrooms have 1.00

00:20:42.740 genders erased from them, that there are all gender bathrooms. And even that deconstruction 0.97

00:20:49.040 of male and female is leading to the deconstruction of gender categories altogether. Facebook has

00:20:53.260 56 gender categories, or they had 56 gender categories, and now they have an unlimited number.

00:20:58.920 56 was too restrictive. So you have to ask the people, how many genders are there? What is a 0.99

00:21:03.600 gender? If we're told that the genders are all the same, then why have two? Why have 56? Why have 1.00

00:21:09.880 any? They're all the same. They're all the same and they're all different. It's a total destruction

00:21:15.540 of these narratives that have been building for a long time. We should celebrate this

00:21:19.720 because we're correcting a lot of errors that have been in our culture for 50, 60 years at this point.

00:21:26.720 But both sides have to be honest here. And it's fun to watch various factions of the left battle

00:21:33.680 with each other. It's like the Iran-Iraq war. You somehow want them both to lose. All you're hoping 1.00

00:21:40.500 for is a prolonging of the battle. But we hope that they come out on the right side here. We have to

00:21:46.320 make sure because as this woman is finding out, Megan Murphy, she is being silenced for saying that

00:21:52.340 men are not women. She's being silenced for stating the premise of feminism. I hope that this opens her

00:21:59.540 eyes also to the kind of censorship that conservatives face on a daily basis on these platforms. And perhaps

00:22:05.760 we'll end up with a feminist-conservative alliance against this absurd gender ideology. But it's going to 1.00

00:22:13.160 mean that feminists have to come to the table, that they have to stop insisting that the personal 1.00

00:22:17.460 is the political, that they have to deal with an alliance with people that they might not agree with

00:22:22.520 on a number of other issues. I think it's just delicious. I think it's a little Thanksgiving

00:22:26.540 treat. I'm excited. Feminists watching this show, come on, come on over. The water's warm. Can't wait 1.00

00:22:32.180 to have you on. We'd love to have you on the show to talk about it. We have a lot more that we have to

00:22:35.900 talk about too, though. So Thanksgiving is coming up. This is very exciting. I'm about to get out of here.

00:22:42.440 I'm going to fly out on the red-eye tonight. I'm going out with my in-laws. It's going to be a lot

00:22:45.920 of fun. Right now, oh, you know, gosh, before we get to it, I do, I wonder too, it just occurred to

00:22:53.480 me, if we're having this battle now between the feminists and the transgender, what will happen 1.00

00:23:00.300 about other conflicts within the left? There are other conflicts within the left, central ideological

00:23:05.380 conflicts. One that comes to mind are the people who are vegan but pro-abortion. You know a lot of

00:23:11.640 people like this. They say, oh, gosh, I love the little, the cute little chicken. I could never

00:23:16.760 eat the cheese, the cute little chicken. Oh, that baby? Kill it. That human baby that's going to 1.00

00:23:21.340 become a person with consciousness and thoughts and an appreciation of beauty and love? Kill that

00:23:26.680 thing. But the chicken, but the little, but the Delta smelt. I love the Delta smelt. Oh, that,

00:23:31.220 yeah, watch that. Stop talking to me about the baby. Get the baby out of here. That, of course, 0.90

00:23:34.860 is impossible. You can't coherently be a vegetarian or a vegan and in favor of abortion. But the left

00:23:41.840 does it. I don't know what will force them to deal with that issue, perhaps sonograms or something.

00:23:46.720 But it's the same with Islam and Western liberalism. You have that same conflict too. Western left-wingers,

00:23:52.440 Western liberals have embraced Islam because they want to be open-minded. They want to be religiously

00:23:57.600 tolerant. And also, they don't really like Western culture. And the West and the Islamic world have been 1.00

00:24:03.780 engaged in a tension since the 7th century. But what happens when you invite in this Islamist 1.00

00:24:12.920 ideology, which undermines all of Western liberalism, which undermines religious tolerance itself?

00:24:19.080 G.K. Chesterton said there's a thought that stops thought, and that's the only thought that ought to

00:24:22.600 be stopped. Will the left understand that tension, that essential conflict? There are so many others.

00:24:27.940 We could talk about them all day, but we don't have time because Thanksgiving's coming up. But food for

00:24:31.520 thought, if we can get them to reconsider their feminist premises, what other premises will the 1.00

00:24:37.060 left have to reconsider? We're living in the best timeline. I tell you this all the time.

00:24:40.700 On Thanksgiving, the University of Oregon is hosting an event called Thanks, But No Thanks, Giving.

00:24:48.120 They hate Thanksgiving. Why is it? They call it decolonizing an American holiday.

00:24:53.080 The description of the event, the main messages of Thanksgiving are that of gratitude, food,

00:24:57.620 and family. However, Thanksgiving is, foundationally speaking, a celebration of the ongoing genocide

00:25:04.480 against Native peoples and cultures across the globe. You knew that, right? That's what you do. 1.00

00:25:10.720 You go to your Thanksgiving table. You sit down. Oh, it's so nice to see you, Auntie May.

00:25:14.920 All right, well, let's raise a glass to the ongoing genocide of Native peoples all around the globe.

00:25:19.400 Let's chin-chin. Huzzah. Sláinte. No, I don't think so. That's not what happens. 0.97

00:25:23.100 It's just not true. This is what happens when an entire generation is deprived of a historical

00:25:30.540 education, and instead that historical education is replaced with ideology. The Pilgrims did not 0.99

00:25:36.200 commit any genocide against the Native Americans. It did not happen. In fact, the opposite happened.

00:25:41.440 The real story is much more interesting. Christopher Columbus did not commit a genocide against the

00:25:45.700 Native peoples. He adopted his Indian friend's son, is what he did. He didn't commit any genocide.

00:25:50.480 It just simply didn't happen. So from an historical standpoint, their main premise is bunk. The real

00:25:56.880 story, though, is so much more interesting. I have four ancestors who were on the Mayflower.

00:26:01.900 One was a pilgrim, Dr. Samuel Fuller. The other three were derelicts. They were strangers. You know, 0.61

00:26:08.180 half the Mayflower were these pilgrims who were godly men, religious separatists, wanted to start their 0.99

00:26:13.960 own religious commune. And the other half were just guys who wanted to go into the new world. So three of the

00:26:19.760 four were those guys. One of them, 11 years before the Mayflower sailed, Stephen Hopkins was

00:26:25.220 actually shipwrecked in the new world. And that shipwreck was the basis of Shakespeare's The Tempest.

00:26:31.840 He was a mutineer. Another one of my Gregory grandfathers, John Billington, was the first man 0.66

00:26:36.400 in America executed for murder. The other, Francis Eaton, was another mutineer, another troublemaker.

00:26:42.380 So those three kind of shady fellas. But one of them was good and a godly man, Dr. Samuel Fuller.

00:26:48.460 And so they came over. The story of them arriving is a miracle. It is pure providence. There is no

00:26:55.080 other way to explain it. They were separatists living in England. They then moved to Leiden in

00:27:00.980 the Netherlands because they wanted to escape persecution. They were there for about a decade.

00:27:05.620 And they started to get a little nervous, though, because their children became a little too Dutch. 1.00

00:27:09.220 They didn't like how Dutch their kids were becoming. So they decided they're going to sail 1.00

00:27:12.620 for the new world, start their new community. Okay. They hire a captain. They hire a cruise and

00:27:19.460 everything. But because of the religious tension between them and King James, between them and the

00:27:24.020 Church of England, there was an attempted sabotage to stop the ships from sailing out. This delayed

00:27:32.100 them by months. They finally make it out of England. But they're many months late. They sail across

00:27:36.180 and they veer way off course. They were headed for Manhattan. They ended up around Cape Cod.

00:27:41.780 So they had no land grant to that area. They land there. It's not nearly as hospitable as

00:27:46.660 Manhattan was. They land and they couldn't find a good place to park the boat. But they get out.

00:27:55.100 They're looking around. They immediately are approached by a group of 30 Indians who start hurling arrows at

00:28:01.780 them. And miraculously, none of them was hurt. None of them had even a scratch on them after this

00:28:08.280 encounter. They're wandering around. They finally end up at Plymouth, Plymouth Harbor. They pull into

00:28:13.600 Plymouth and they find fields that are totally cleared. They're cleared for agriculture, but there

00:28:20.680 are no people there. They're just, they're whitened bones because an epidemic had taken place just within

00:28:27.020 a couple of years before the pilgrims landed. And they cleared the field. They found a bushel of corn

00:28:31.960 that was just waiting for them there. And they also found arrowheads. They found some weapons that

00:28:39.860 they could use against any potential hostile natives. What the pilgrims did is they took the corn.

00:28:45.720 So one of their first acts in the new world was an act of theft, but they wouldn't take the arrowheads.

00:28:50.460 They wouldn't disturb what was a grave site. They felt it would be very wrong to disturb what had become

00:28:55.900 a religious grave site for them. So there was this act also of respect toward the natives.

00:29:01.340 They're there for about two months and out of the woods walks a naked Indian, naked is the day he was 0.99

00:29:06.440 born, Samoset, who says in English, welcome Englishmen. They somehow stumbled on one of two

00:29:15.120 natives in the Western Hemisphere who spoke English. And Samoset wasn't even supposed to be there. He was 0.99

00:29:19.980 just, he was from Maine and he just happened to be visiting down by Plymouth, down where the

00:29:25.260 pilgrims landed at exactly the time that they accidentally landed there. He says, welcome

00:29:29.020 Englishmen. It gets weirder because he then brings them Squanto, who speaks virtually perfect English. 1.00

00:29:34.940 Squanto was at that time a hostage of the Poconocet, Sachem, Massasoit. And he was brought there to

00:29:43.440 communicate between the natives and the English. He also just happened to be walking down. He spoke

00:29:49.180 perfect English because he'd lived in Spain and London. He was captured by Thomas Hunt, an English

00:29:55.380 sailor years earlier, brought to Spain, worked there as a slave. He somehow makes it to England. We don't 0.89

00:30:01.180 know how. One story is that Catholic monks smuggled him over. We really, really don't know. He's talking 0.86

00:30:06.480 to the Englishmen about the streets of London. Can you imagine the feeling that the pilgrims must have 0.90

00:30:11.220 had. He then is brought, because of a kindly Englishman, back to the New World. He wanders down

00:30:16.800 to Plymouth and is then held hostage by Massasoit just at the time that the pilgrims accidentally

00:30:27.560 arrived there or providentially arrived there, which seems obviously to be the case. So they make it

00:30:32.240 there and they negotiate a peace between the natives and the pilgrims. This was not taking advantage of the

00:30:38.860 natives. I think the left now, what they want to pretend is that the natives are these idiots.

00:30:42.680 They're these imbeciles who can't possibly talk to the advanced Englishmen and they don't know

00:30:47.720 anything about politics or war or statecraft. That's absurd. That's so disrespectful to the

00:30:54.120 natives. Massasoit was a serious man. He forged an alliance with the pilgrims. It helped him

00:30:59.960 essentially found the Wampanoag nation to greatly expand his power as the head of the Wampanoag nation.

00:31:06.260 And he helped out the pilgrims. The pilgrims saved his life one day. Massasoit was on the verge of

00:31:11.100 death. Edward Winslow, a pilgrim, cleared out his mouth, gave him a little medicine, brought him back

00:31:16.460 to life. He then told the pilgrims that the Massachusetts tribe, I think led by Elizabeth

00:31:20.660 Warren, was going to attack them. They were able to join together and repel them. This was an incredible

00:31:27.100 alliance. They embraced Christianity, the natives, largely. They took on Christian names. Massasoit's

00:31:33.100 children were named Alexander and Philip. They had Christian names. Alexander remained a good friend

00:31:37.700 of the pilgrims until he died, unfortunately, while he was being interrogated by the pilgrims.

00:31:45.000 And his brother, King Philip, blamed the pilgrims for his death. There's no evidence that the pilgrims

00:31:50.380 killed him. But that means that within 20 to 30 years after the pilgrims landed, that wonderful

00:31:55.380 alliance, which benefited both of them, had broken down because King Philip was a terrible leader

00:32:00.980 and made a mistake in his interpretation of the events and destroyed the whole region. He started

00:32:05.660 a war that killed a lot, a lot of natives and ultimately broke down that relationship. That's

00:32:12.440 the real story. That's a very different story than what the left wants to foist on you. It's a much

00:32:18.280 more interesting story, too. It gives much more respect to the natives and it gives a lot more respect

00:32:22.740 to our ancestors, to whom we should be very grateful, to whom we should give thanksgiving. We are standing on

00:32:27.860 their shoulders in this greatest country ever in the history of the world. And we are spitting on

00:32:33.420 our ancestors because we want to judge them, not only from our leisurely position in history and

00:32:40.580 from our dubious moral stances in our present time in 2018, but also based on history that is total

00:32:48.900 bunk. You can bring that one up at your Thanksgiving table. We've got a lot more to get to. We've got to

00:32:52.720 get to the mailbag today. So first, if you're on dailywire.com, thank you very much. You keep the

00:32:57.500 lights on. You keep covfefe in my cup. That's very important. It's $10 a month, $100 for an annual

00:33:02.920 membership. You get me, you get the Andrew Klavan show, you get the Ben Shapiro show, you get to ask

00:33:06.400 questions in the mailbag, which is coming up right now. Most importantly, the leftist-tears tumbler.

00:33:12.240 If you, I don't recommend that you prod your left-wing relatives at the Thanksgiving table. Don't do it.

00:33:18.440 If they bring something up, answer it, but don't prod them. But if they bring it up and you've got

00:33:23.240 to talk to them about how incredible this administration has been, how great the country

00:33:27.960 is going, peace abroad, tax reform, Justice Kavanaugh, ooh, ooh, ooh, I'm getting all excited.

00:33:33.600 You're going to need this. Or you're going to get flooded right out of your living room, right out

00:33:37.600 of your dining room. Hopefully, maybe you can try to grab onto the dining room table like your rose in

00:33:42.320 the Titanic. But this is the safer option. Collect the leftist-tears in the only FDA-approved vessel

00:33:47.280 for them, the leftist-tears tumbler. And we'll be right back.

00:34:00.700 From Ryan, is the right to vote a positive right or a negative right? This question was asked yesterday

00:34:07.340 during the conversation, but you sort of drifted into another, albeit informative, tangent and never

00:34:12.620 actually answered. I do that sometimes. The answer is voting is a positive right. I'm

00:34:17.260 sorry. I got very taken by your question. I remember it yesterday during the conversation.

00:34:21.300 A negative right is a right to be left alone. It's your right to life, liberty, and the pursuit

00:34:26.860 of happiness. It's a right that doesn't require anything from anybody else other than they're

00:34:31.060 respecting that right. A positive right is something that does require somebody else. So healthcare is

00:34:36.900 a positive right. If we have a political right to healthcare, it is a positive right because it

00:34:40.880 requires certain technology, certain advancements, certain buildings, certain people's labor,

00:34:45.060 money, productivity. So that's a positive right. Voting is a positive right. It is established

00:34:52.460 in our country. It's run by the states. So you need states to run it. You need voting machines to

00:34:58.760 process the votes. You need poll workers to check people in. You need poll security to make sure that

00:35:04.480 people aren't violating the laws when it comes to elections. You need people to count the ballots.

00:35:10.080 You need people to certify the ballots. You need a lot of people. So it's a positive right. It's a good

00:35:14.960 right that we have in this country. I'm not saying that all positive rights are bad in any way.

00:35:19.620 Governments do create positive rights and they need money and they need participation to ensure

00:35:24.880 those. But it's not a negative right. And we talk about, as conservatives, how important negative

00:35:29.740 rights are. Life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness. That's true. But we interact with positive rights

00:35:34.580 every day and that's a wonderful thing. From Nathan, deplorable Knowles. A leftist asked when I thought

00:35:40.680 the child became a human life. And I said when it's got its own DNA at conception. He said sperm and

00:35:47.240 ovaries have their own DNA and it must be a crime every time a woman ovulates without giving birth or a 1.00

00:35:54.220 man ejaculates. Any counter to this argument would be helpful. Thanks, Nathan. I think the human child

00:36:00.360 becomes a human around 18 years old. Maybe 22. I don't know. Maybe. No. The traditional answer

00:36:06.260 and the correct answer is at the point of conception. You're absolutely right. Human beings have 46

00:36:11.620 chromosomes in their DNA. The sperm and the egg each have 23 chromosomes. And that's why when the sperm 0.92

00:36:18.560 and the egg come together, you get a human being, which is 46 chromosomes. You're making the argument

00:36:23.320 from DNA. Fair enough. I think that's a perfectly fine argument. But that's why. That's why it's

00:36:29.940 different. You know, the sperm left alone will never become a human adult. It doesn't have the DNA for

00:36:39.820 it and it won't happen. Same thing with the egg, but brought together at the point of conception

00:36:44.040 that new human life will develop. When does the human life begin? We know that at the point of

00:36:51.440 conception, it is living. That created entity, that begotten entity is living. And we know that it's

00:36:59.700 human. It's not a duck. It's not a platypus. It's not a sperm. It's not an egg. It's a human being.

00:37:04.740 It's what we would call a human. Just as a matter of language, too, conception is the beginning.

00:37:13.000 When the thing is conceived, when it is begotten, when it is initiated, that is the beginning of it,

00:37:18.240 by definition. And the question for your friend, I guess, is when else would be the beginning of

00:37:24.400 that human life? We know it's human at that point and not before. We know that it's living at that

00:37:30.100 point and not before. When else would the human life be a human life? Three weeks later? Why?

00:37:37.680 Because it grows fingernails or something? Do fingernails make us human? No, of course not.

00:37:42.480 A human life becomes a human life at the beginning when it becomes a human life.

00:37:46.060 From Jared. Dear patron saint of the Covfefe's, my wife and I are starting to argue more just

00:37:51.800 because it is difficult to clean my Leftist Tears tumbler. Every time that we attempt to clean it,

00:37:57.260 it just fills up again. Especially after the recent DeSantis and Scott wins in Florida,

00:38:02.200 as well as Mia Love pulling ahead in our state of Utah. How can we attempt to clean the tumbler out

00:38:07.620 if it just keeps on filling? You've got to drink faster. It's the only way that you can do it.

00:38:14.120 I can't do this for you. I can't give you some magical device to desalinate your Leftist Tears.

00:38:20.360 You just have to drink faster. If you're not drinking fast, do you love your country?

00:38:26.300 Do you love watching the Left implode? I don't know. I'm beginning to question that.

00:38:30.600 Guzzle guzzle, especially on Thanksgiving Day. Leave a little room. Leave a little room for pumpkin

00:38:34.740 pie and leave extra room for Leftist Tears. From Max. Dear Michael, what do you think about the

00:38:39.820 metric system? Should it be introduced in the United States? Thanks for the show. You're just

00:38:45.460 trolling me, aren't you? Is that what this is about? I think the metric system is the soccer

00:38:49.760 of measurements. That's what I think it is. It's absolutely un-American. It's horrific. It's too 0.76

00:38:54.880 rational is the problem. That's the thing I dislike the most about the metric system. It's based on

00:39:01.640 units of 10 and you've got the Mila and the Senta and the Desa. Okay, that's fine. Too rational.

00:39:07.880 Life isn't that rational. Life isn't that clean. It's not that clinical. How many inches in a foot?

00:39:12.900 12. Why? I don't know. Couldn't tell you. How many feet in a yard? Three. Why? I don't know.

00:39:17.680 Couldn't tell you. That's why. Because it's American, damn it. Because we're in the West. Because we've

00:39:23.540 done it for years and years. Because that's our tradition. It's built into our institutions. It's built

00:39:27.940 into our culture. And I'll be damned if you're going to replace it with some French nonsense. 1.00

00:39:31.720 They did this in the French Revolution. After the French Revolution, they took away everything that 0.56

00:39:36.120 was beautiful and traditional about that culture. And they just divided the country up into quadrants

00:39:40.500 and neighborhoods along these perfectly rigid lines. And it just was disgusting. It's too clinical.

00:39:45.980 It's too rational. One point I will make too about the English system, the standard system of

00:39:51.660 measurement, is it's got these really nice numbers in there. Three. Three feet in a yard. Like the

00:39:57.620 trinity. Like the holy trinity. That's three is a very important number. Twelve inches in

00:40:01.700 a foot. Twelve apostles. One plus two is three. That's a beautiful... I like this. So this is

00:40:07.120 very nice. There's something that speaks to something deeper than just the cold French 1.00

00:40:13.100 rationality. Frenchy rationality of the metric system. Get it out of here. No way. If it comes

00:40:19.260 into the United States, I'm moving to Canada. Except they have the metric system too. Damn it.

00:40:22.940 That's not good. That's very... Maybe I'll move to England. No, no. They use it sometimes too. Oh,

00:40:26.760 that's very tough. Where am I to go? This is the last best hope of man on earth. If the metric

00:40:31.180 system comes here, there's nowhere left to escape it. So we have to defend standard measurements.

00:40:35.260 From Peter. Dear best book writer ever, Knowles. What do you think it will take for the United States

00:40:41.900 to have a second civil war? Love the show. Thanks, Peter. It would take people getting off their couch.

00:40:48.820 It would take people lifting up their eyes from their smartphones for two seconds.

00:40:52.940 And not taking selfies constantly. I'm not that worried about the civil war. I know some people

00:40:58.740 are. We're in a cultural cold war, if you want to use that language. I know Dennis Prager uses that

00:41:04.740 language. Some other people do. We do seem to be very angry with one another culturally. There's not

00:41:10.280 much bridging that gap. But that's all tweets. I'm not worried about tweets. Tweets can't shoot me.

00:41:15.020 We use these terms, war. We bandy them about attacks. We bandy them about... Dan Crenshaw,

00:41:19.660 Congressman Dan Crenshaw, made this great point on Face the Nation. The other day,

00:41:23.980 some lefty lunatic on Face the Nation was saying, Donald Trump is attacking our freedoms. He's

00:41:28.100 attacking. He's attacking. Dan Crenshaw said, listen, I've been attacked. This is my wound from my

00:41:33.420 attack. Let's use our words precisely. Because when we tweet, that's not an attack. That's not what

00:41:38.780 that is. I don't think we're moving toward a civil war. Who would have the stamina to fight the civil

00:41:44.780 war? To say nothing of the fact that only conservatives have guns in this country, more

00:41:48.700 or less. So I don't think the civil war would last very long. I think we've got relative peace for the

00:41:53.380 time being. We've got to put down these little Antifa thugs, of course. But more or less, I think

00:41:58.120 we're doing just fine. Something to be thankful for this Thanksgiving. From Mark, dear Michael,

00:42:02.100 if we make it easier to voluntarily commit insane people in order to protect the public from them,

00:42:08.960 don't you have an inherent fear that the left will use that as a tool against anyone who happens to

00:42:12.840 own guns because gun owners are pretty much insane people to them? Side note, I mean seriously. You

00:42:17.820 should have seen the faces on my colleagues over here on the East Coast when I told them my two-year-old

00:42:21.820 son loves to help me load Nerf guns. I said I'd rather have him be comfortable with guns and know

00:42:27.940 about them than to always be in fear of them. Their faces were priceless. You make a good point.

00:42:31.060 The story illustrates that. The left doesn't understand guns. They would try to commit gun

00:42:34.480 owners. Right. We need to be able to make it easier to involuntarily commit people because we've got

00:42:40.140 lunatics who are hurting themselves, who are hurting society, who are shooting people, who are committing

00:42:45.900 all sorts of violent acts. But it doesn't necessarily mean that some government agent should be able to

00:42:50.860 come in and lift you out of your home and throw you into the loony bin. Perhaps, though, your family

00:42:55.880 should be able to do it more easily. Perhaps relatives of yours, your spouse, your maybe close

00:43:01.680 friends should be able to do it a little bit more easily. It doesn't have to be big brother government

00:43:06.340 comes in on the helicopter and lifts you out of your life, or we allow crazy people to live on the

00:43:11.620 street in squalor, hurting themselves, hurting society, and posing a danger to society. There is some

00:43:17.020 middle ground. I know this irritates libertarians sometimes, but we need to be able to deal

00:43:24.280 seriously with these problems that are not accounted for in their ideologies. We need to be able to

00:43:29.280 account for people who cannot take care of themselves, who are mentally unfit to behave in 0.98

00:43:34.840 society, and who pose a danger. We've got to be able, perhaps most importantly, to protect society

00:43:40.280 from them. This has been true in virtually every society in history. This was true in the United

00:43:45.180 States until just a few decades ago, and we need to return to that. The reason that we let the

00:43:50.400 lunatics out of the asylums is because of the development of psychiatric drugs. So you would 0.51

00:43:55.080 take the drugs, and many of your symptoms would be cured. This is good. You no longer have to lock

00:43:59.500 them up. The trouble was that when people got out, they would stop taking the drugs, and this would

00:44:03.940 pose a threat to society, to themselves, and make them live in squalor. If we can make them take the

00:44:09.060 drugs and ensure that they'll keep taking the drugs, it's fine to let them be on the street

00:44:13.240 and be in their own homes or wherever, behave in a way that is conducive with civilized society.

00:44:19.440 If not, you've got to pin them up because they pose a threat. From Peter,

00:44:22.980 Millennial Knowles. I was raised Catholic, went to a Catholic school, but have been an atheist most of

00:44:27.140 my life. Recently, I've been attending Protestant churches with my girlfriend. I've learned much more

00:44:32.120 about the Bible in Protestant churches than I did from Catholic school and church. Protestant churches

00:44:36.660 seem to have an hour-long homily and little sacrament. Catholic mass is the opposite in

00:44:41.140 my experience. Can that change? Should that change? I've noticed this too in certain Protestant 0.99

00:44:45.620 churches, which is that, especially evangelicals, Southern Baptists, you get this a little bit,

00:44:50.420 they just can be excellent exegetes of the Bible. Sometimes they're very poor exegetes of the Bible.

00:44:55.960 The trouble with an hour-long homily is sometimes it can be illuminating, life-changing,

00:45:00.680 spiritual, and sometimes it can be drivel. It can be anti-biblical, anti-Christian heresy.

00:45:06.860 The trouble is and depends upon who is giving the homily. This is a major difference though. I

00:45:13.300 like that. I love Bible studies. I love exegesis. I like reading theologians, some Protestant theologians

00:45:18.840 as well. But I don't go to church for a Bible study. I go to Bible study for Bible study. I read my

00:45:24.920 Bible for Bible. I read books about the Bible for Bible study. I go to church to worship God,

00:45:29.700 to engage in the sacraments. Christ came down. He's the divine logic of the universe, and he became

00:45:36.180 incarnate. The only begotten Son of God, who is God, became incarnate and talked to men and touched

00:45:41.840 them and rubbed mud on their eyes and spoke to them and had a body. And in my view, at least,

00:45:47.820 in the Catholic view, he founded a church and he left us sacraments. He says, do this in memory of me.

00:45:53.520 This bread is my body, which will be given up for you. This wine is my blood, which will be given up

00:45:59.020 for you. This bread is my real body. You have to eat the flesh of the Son of Man. My flesh is real

00:46:06.920 food. This is a hard saying. He harps on this, you might say. He makes this a very serious point of

00:46:14.040 saying this is real food. You have to engage in a real sacrament, in the real combination,

00:46:20.440 the real meeting of the metaphysical and the physical, the metaphor and the literal. And that's

00:46:24.240 what happens in Catholic churches. That's what happens in certain Protestant churches,

00:46:29.780 Church of England, Anglo-Catholic. This is what happens in Eastern Orthodoxy. And so that's what 0.92

00:46:34.600 I go there for. I go there to worship God. Sometimes I get a good homily. Very often I get a not so great

00:46:39.700 homily. And maybe I'll listen to somebody else's homily on the ride home. I'm glad that you're learning

00:46:46.300 more about the Bible and getting good exegesis. But you might ask yourself, what else should I be

00:46:52.200 getting? Should I be getting sacraments? Should I be eating the flesh of the Son of Man? Should I be

00:46:57.800 worshiping God in a way that is not just edifying for me and my knowledge of the Bible, but which is

00:47:05.140 giving praise to the creator of the universe and giving thanks, which we'll do on Thanksgiving.

00:47:08.720 That's our show. Have a very good Thanksgiving, everybody. I hope you survive all of the traffic

00:47:13.480 and the dinner table discussions of politics. I will see you back on Monday. In the meantime,

00:47:17.920 I'm Michael Knowles. This is The Michael Knowles Show.

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The Michael Knowles Show - November 21, 2018

Ep. 256 - The End Of Feminism

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