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00:00:37.860 Amherst College has released an Orwellian Common Language Guide to Police Students' Speech on Campus.

00:00:45.820 We will examine the most perverse definitions as well as the left's obsession with language.

00:00:52.260 Then, Portland State pushes speech codes.

00:00:54.840 Studies show that trigger warnings are absolutely useless.

00:00:58.280 And Cambridge disinvites Jordan Peterson.

00:01:00.940 What do all of these episodes tell us about the modern left?

00:01:03.860 We will explore.

00:01:04.960 I'm Michael Knowles.

00:01:05.620 This is The Michael Knowles Show.

00:01:06.740 Oh man, I think that what these colleges are doing today is basically covering for those

00:01:20.220 rich parents who brought their kids way into school.

00:01:22.680 Because that was the big scandal.

00:01:24.480 That was the biggest scandal in higher education ever concerning elite universities until about

00:01:29.480 five minutes later when these universities again and again, speech codes, common language

00:01:34.860 guides.

00:01:36.860 This is really perverse.

00:01:37.240 This was so bad that the head of the university and the head of the Office of Diversity and

00:01:43.100 Inclusion at Amherst both had to issue apologies.

00:01:46.700 Both had to pull away this guide.

00:01:48.540 Luckily, we have screenshots so we can read the definitions.

00:01:51.120 Because this was no accident.

00:01:52.760 What this was is being described as a gaffe.

00:01:56.540 You know, you hear politicians have a gaffe.

00:01:58.460 And what a gaffe is supposed to be is when you mistakenly say something you didn't mean.

00:02:03.440 In reality, what a gaffe is is when you say exactly what you mean, but it's not received

00:02:07.760 well and you weren't supposed to say it and you were trying to be more deceptive.

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00:02:12.540 This is all for a purpose.

00:02:14.200 This ties into the trigger warnings.

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00:03:54.180 This guide, the common language guide, was sent out by Amherst University.

00:04:01.140 Now it wasn't sent out by the language departments.

00:04:03.720 It wasn't sent out by the English department.

00:04:05.960 You would, you know, Amherst does a good English program.

00:04:07.720 You'd think maybe a guide on language would be sent out by them.

00:04:11.160 No, no, no, no, no.

00:04:12.480 It wasn't even sent out by the office of the president or the office of the dean of students.

00:04:17.840 It was sent out by the Office of Inclusion and Diversity.

00:04:22.960 This is something out of 1984.

00:04:25.280 This is something right out of George Orwell to hear things like the Office of Inclusion

00:04:30.280 and Diversity.

00:04:31.800 What does that office do?

00:04:34.760 What is the purpose of that?

00:04:35.980 Campuses are quite diverse.

00:04:37.840 They've been very diverse for a very long time.

00:04:40.840 They're inclusive.

00:04:41.820 It's a university.

00:04:42.760 That's the point of inclusion.

00:04:43.880 I guess they're not inclusive to all of the conservative speakers that they disinvite,

00:04:47.920 but the Office of Inclusion and Diversity is very often leading the charge to disinvite

00:04:52.840 those people.

00:04:54.120 So what do they do?

00:04:54.880 They send out Orwellian guides like this.

00:04:57.120 They police people's language. 0.97

00:04:58.820 They enforce speech codes.

00:05:00.100 They try to stop the free expression of ideas.

00:05:02.580 They try to enforce a leftist ideology and a leftist orthodoxy.

00:05:07.960 So this is how they described it.

00:05:10.300 They said, quote,

00:05:10.940 This project emerged out of a need to come to a common and shared understanding of language

00:05:16.320 in order to foster opportunities for community building and effective communication within

00:05:22.020 and across difference.

00:05:24.160 It includes a list of carefully researched and thoughtfully discussed definitions for

00:05:29.300 key diversity and inclusion terms.

00:05:31.560 So right here, you know, you know immediately that today their excuse that this shouldn't

00:05:37.340 have been sent out.

00:05:38.020 It was a mistake.

00:05:38.840 Oh, they didn't mean to do it.

00:05:40.400 Blah, blah, blah.

00:05:41.020 You know, that's not true.

00:05:42.300 They say in their first letter, these are carefully researched.

00:05:46.420 These have been thoughtfully discussed.

00:05:48.940 This is very, very intentional.

00:05:50.780 They tell you twice in one sentence that it's highly intentional.

00:05:53.840 And the purpose of this is very good, ostensibly.

00:05:57.260 The nominal purpose, what they say is, we need a shared understanding of language in

00:06:02.620 order to foster opportunities for community building.

00:06:06.660 Now, the purpose of language is to communicate, right?

00:06:11.620 That's the most basic definition of language.

00:06:14.200 I have my own subjective experience going on in my head.

00:06:17.240 You have your own subjective experience going on in your head.

00:06:20.200 And the only way that we can bridge that unbridgeable gap is through language.

00:06:25.280 What is language?

00:06:25.980 It's letters and words and sounds, which all of which are symbols to represent ideas that

00:06:32.780 are outside of both of us.

00:06:34.580 So I look at a tree and I see the tree and it's got leaves and it's got branches and it's

00:06:39.360 got a trunk.

00:06:40.100 Okay.

00:06:41.040 And I want to communicate the idea of a tree to you.

00:06:46.400 How do we do that?

00:06:47.740 You have your own perception of the tree as well.

00:06:49.920 But unless we have a common word for the common experience in objective reality of the tree,

00:06:56.980 then we can't communicate.

00:06:58.240 That's the purpose of language.

00:06:59.440 You don't need an office of diversity and inclusion to have language.

00:07:04.480 The English language is much older than the Amherst College Office of Diversity and Inclusion.

00:07:09.160 So they say their purpose is to foster opportunities for communication.

00:07:15.840 No, no, no, no, no.

00:07:17.080 We have words.

00:07:18.000 We have a language.

00:07:19.300 What their real purpose is, is to rewrite language, to totally change language, to create new terms

00:07:27.320 that connote new ideological constructs so that they can shape the ideology and the orthodoxy

00:07:34.760 on campus.

00:07:35.620 So just an example.

00:07:37.260 What is capitalism?

00:07:38.940 We know what capitalism, right?

00:07:40.500 We know it's, we did a whole episode on it the other day.

00:07:43.140 Basically, it boils down to private property and people producing and exchanging private property

00:07:50.900 and governments recognizing the rights of private property.

00:07:56.660 Basically, what it comes down to.

00:07:58.160 Even the term capitalism is basically just invented and propagated by Marxists.

00:08:04.860 So even the, it's kind of a loaded term, but that's basically what it means.

00:08:07.780 Here is how Amherst's Diversity and Inclusion Office defines capitalism as a, quote,

00:08:13.540 economic and political system in which a country's trade and industry are controlled

00:08:17.280 by private owners for profit rather than the state.

00:08:21.220 Okay, yeah, basically, I'm good with that.

00:08:23.880 Then they go on.

00:08:24.620 Now, this system leads to exploitative labor practices which affect marginalized groups

00:08:29.960 disproportionately.

00:08:31.980 Hold on a second.

00:08:32.920 I thought this was a dictionary.

00:08:34.580 I thought this was a guide to language.

00:08:36.440 I thought this was just the common language, so we know we're using the same terms.

00:08:39.760 So what they do is they'll take a term and maybe they'll even define it accurately.

00:08:44.200 And then they'll redefine it.

00:08:47.020 So the first sentence is right.

00:08:48.500 The second sentence is their ideological redefinition of that word.

00:08:52.820 And by the way, in the whole guide, sometimes they don't even start with a real definition.

00:08:58.260 Very often, they just start with the ideology.

00:09:00.500 They define legal and illegal.

00:09:03.100 You would think that this is a fairly basic thing.

00:09:07.280 Legal and illegal.

00:09:09.920 Quote, a highly racialized term.

00:09:12.720 All right, we can stop right there.

00:09:14.280 What?

00:09:14.540 How is legal and illegal a highly racialized term?

00:09:18.960 Legal means lawful and illegal means unlawful or criminal.

00:09:24.720 There is no etymological or historical or philosophical or any connection to race whatsoever.

00:09:33.700 But that's how it begins.

00:09:34.940 A highly racialized term to describe a person's presence in a nation without government-issued

00:09:41.000 immigration status.

00:09:42.200 First of all, what other immigration status is there, if not government-issued?

00:09:46.960 Is it issued by Johnny down the street?

00:09:49.220 Okay, the government says you're not an immigrant to this country.

00:09:51.940 You're not a legal immigrant. 1.00

00:09:52.960 But Johnny says you are.

00:09:54.460 So in that case, you're a legal immigrant, right?

00:09:57.340 Who else would determine immigration status but the civil authority? 0.86

00:10:02.660 Of course, this is absurd.

00:10:05.080 Now, the definition goes on.

00:10:08.280 This is not an appropriate noun or adjective to describe an individual.

00:10:14.140 Not appropriate.

00:10:14.860 Says who? 0.65

00:10:15.320 Oh, says you because you're policing our language.

00:10:17.240 Often misused to designate certain undocumented members of a society, specifically people of

00:10:23.560 color, okay, to deny their contributions, right to exist, and recognition as people within

00:10:31.760 certain national boundaries.

00:10:33.340 While it doesn't undermine their right to exist, the people are allowed to exist, I suppose

00:10:38.760 it does undermine their right to exist within certain national boundaries because there are

00:10:43.120 such things as immigration laws.

00:10:45.240 So what this says is that if you use the words legal or illegal, you are buying into a highly

00:10:50.460 racist, bigoted, awful premise that nations should be allowed to control their own immigration.

00:10:58.560 What this definition does is outlaws, as a matter of speech on campus, anything other than

00:11:07.320 an open borders ideology which denies the nation-state entirely.

00:11:12.340 That's just the second one.

00:11:14.580 How about assimilation? 0.72

00:11:15.560 This is a related concept.

00:11:17.860 Assimilation, we know assimilation means you go to a new place and you behave like the locals.

00:11:24.920 Paesi che vai, usanze che trovi is what they say in Italy, which is translated roughly or

00:11:31.920 translated idiomatically to when in Rome, do as the Romans do.

00:11:35.160 This is what assimilation is. 0.85

00:11:36.520 When I go to Italy, what do I do?

00:11:38.120 I wear my nice parasol sunglasses and I sip on, you know, Lavazza coffee or whatever.

00:11:45.600 I just do things that Italians do. 1.00

00:11:47.660 Sometimes I do that here as well, but that's because I'm of Italian heritage.

00:11:51.420 If I go to Britain, I'm going to behave differently.

00:11:54.980 If I go to the Middle East, I'm going to behave a little differently.

00:11:58.520 That's assimilation. 0.82

00:11:59.440 And certainly when you immigrate somewhere, assimilation really matters because you're 0.89

00:12:03.160 going to live there.

00:12:03.660 You want to be part of that community.

00:12:05.240 This is how Amherst College defines it.

00:12:07.700 Assimilation happens, quote, as a response to forms of oppression, including, but not limited to,

00:12:14.880 xenophobia, racism, cis-heteronormativity, and religious oppression, among other types

00:12:21.700 of oppression.

00:12:26.740 If you choose to enter another country and immigrate to that country and live in that country for 0.96

00:12:32.640 30 years, you're not doing it because you're oppressed.

00:12:37.400 If that's oppressive, you can always go home.

00:12:39.540 You should go home.

00:12:40.760 You're asking to do that.

00:12:42.120 You're volunteering to do that.

00:12:43.460 There's nothing oppressive then about the people wanting you to, I don't know, speak

00:12:48.520 their language, follow their laws, behave a little more like they do than only how you

00:12:53.720 want to behave.

00:12:54.700 But they invert that.

00:12:57.580 What is more oppressive?

00:12:59.140 Invading a foreign country and living there and living off of their welfare and violating 1.00

00:13:04.200 their laws and forcing everybody not only to accommodate but celebrate you.

00:13:08.060 Is that more oppressive or is it oppressive to say, hey, if you want to come to the greatest

00:13:11.660 country on earth and we're going to let you stay even though you broke our laws, maybe

00:13:15.120 speak English.

00:13:16.480 Which do you think is more oppressive?

00:13:18.520 They define oppression, by the way.

00:13:20.280 Oppression is predicated upon access to institutional power. 0.60

00:13:25.140 Oh, see, this is how they're going to tell me that only big, bad, straight, white men who 0.66

00:13:31.360 think that they're men, they're the only ones who can be oppressive. 0.80

00:13:33.720 So you can't be oppressive if you invade somebody's country, take all their welfare,

00:13:37.640 violate their laws, and force everyone to celebrate you.

00:13:40.960 That's not oppressive because it's predicated upon access to institutional power.

00:13:46.340 Marginalized communities do not have access to institutional power.

00:13:50.840 So it says women can be as prejudiced as men, but women cannot be just as sexist as men because

00:13:56.580 they do not hold political, economic, and institutional power.

00:14:00.880 Of course, this is nonsense.

00:14:02.600 Let's take one institution, the institution that sent out this guide, Amherst College.

00:14:08.200 At American universities, women constitute the majority of students. 0.98

00:14:13.260 Not even that slim a majority.

00:14:14.860 They got a few points on men.

00:14:17.880 So actually, they do have institutional power, specifically at the institution that is claiming

00:14:23.420 that they don't.

00:14:24.780 How about political power?

00:14:26.180 In the United States, women have the right to vote.

00:14:29.360 There are more women in the United States than men. 0.97

00:14:31.320 More importantly, there are many more women voters than men voters.

00:14:37.020 Women have about a 15-point voter gap on men. 0.97

00:14:41.440 So actually, if we're talking about institutional political power, women have way more political 1.00

00:14:47.280 power in the United States than men do.

00:14:50.360 Just using their own definitions, but it doesn't matter.

00:14:53.080 What they need to do is not just define the word, but then have that little explainer line

00:14:59.280 afterward.

00:14:59.720 Women cannot be just as sexist as men.

00:15:04.380 Marginalized communities do not have access to institutional power.

00:15:08.600 But they do.

00:15:09.640 So what happens if they do?

00:15:10.560 I guess what it means is they're not that marginalized.

00:15:13.440 They're really not very marginalized communities.

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00:17:25.360 American exceptionalism.

00:17:27.040 This is how Amherst defines it.

00:17:29.820 A belief in the superiority, rightful leadership, and special moral status of the United States and its people,

00:17:37.180 originally grounded in the 17th century Puritan and Protestant religious culture.

00:17:43.380 So this, do you see how they start right away?

00:17:45.520 A belief in the superiority.

00:17:47.060 Now, the reason that they go for that is because the word exceptional is misused and misunderstood,

00:17:55.840 especially by illiterates like the people at the Office of Inclusion and Diversity at Amherst University.

00:18:01.120 We think of exceptional as excellent or superlative or just the best thing ever.

00:18:07.120 Exceptional refers to exceptions, deviation from the norm.

00:18:13.820 And America is certainly an exceptional country.

00:18:17.380 It's unlike other countries.

00:18:19.040 It was, from its very beginning, it was founded and developed differently than the old world. 0.98

00:18:24.460 That's why it's the new world.

00:18:25.460 It was founded by, it was discovered by Christopher Columbus, a devout Christian, greatest navigator of his age.

00:18:35.720 It was obviously founded by pilgrims at Plymouth.

00:18:41.160 It was founded by people at Jamestown who wanted a better life.

00:18:45.780 It was founded by people who basically were not of the aristocracy.

00:18:51.160 They were not entrenched in the old world.

00:18:53.720 There was a new beginning here.

00:18:55.480 There were traditions that they brought with them.

00:18:57.500 There was a culture.

00:18:58.340 There was a religion that they brought with them.

00:19:00.100 But it developed differently, and it developed a little separately from the rest of the world.

00:19:04.180 It then fired the shot heard around the world.

00:19:06.240 It launched, perhaps in the history of the world, the only conservative revolution.

00:19:12.080 It wasn't a radical leftist revolution like the French Revolution.

00:19:15.000 It was a conservative revolution, and so much as there can be one, it conserved those traditions.

00:19:19.760 It's been a beacon of liberty for the rest of the world.

00:19:25.740 That's an exception.

00:19:27.020 That's why the United States has a unique role in the world.

00:19:30.040 It's not necessarily to say superior in every and all ways.

00:19:33.820 But that's what they say, because they want to denigrate that idea by misrepresenting it.

00:19:37.620 And then they have, oh my gosh, the white savior complex. 0.73

00:19:42.520 Have you ever heard of this?

00:19:43.340 This is a new term.

00:19:44.300 So they're not just redefining other terms like American exceptionalism.

00:19:47.540 They're introducing new ideological terms.

00:19:50.900 American exceptionalism, or white savior complex.

00:19:54.420 An attitude or posture of condescending benevolence based on the idea that white people inherently

00:20:00.880 should are in a position to, and are qualified to save, people of color.

00:20:06.680 This can be seen internationally as well as domestically.

00:20:09.680 See Eurocentrism and American exceptionalism.

00:20:12.460 So what this term is actually talking about is that Western culture developed beyond any other

00:20:21.020 culture in the history of the world, religiously, politically, technologically.

00:20:24.540 The obvious one is technologically, because the West broadly invented every single thing

00:20:31.080 that's ever been invented, and made virtually every discovery that has ever been discovered.

00:20:36.020 But politically, this is true as well.

00:20:38.700 Look around the rest of the world.

00:20:40.240 Sub-Saharan Africa, the Middle East, Asia, pre-Columbian American systems of government.

00:20:49.860 Do those systems of government protect the rights of minorities?

00:20:53.100 No.

00:20:53.480 Do those systems of government treat women in a particularly nice way? 1.00

00:20:57.300 No.

00:20:57.940 Do those systems of government protect liberty in an individual and family-based and community-relevant

00:21:05.600 sense?

00:21:06.420 No.

00:21:07.500 What do those, are those cultures, have they very often delved into tyrannies that make

00:21:15.660 life short and brutish and miserable?

00:21:19.080 Yes.

00:21:21.220 I'm just talking about politically.

00:21:22.640 And so, what they're saying is, how dare you say that Western culture is better than

00:21:27.600 other cultures?

00:21:28.480 We're going to accuse that statement of being racist.

00:21:33.200 So, you see what they do.

00:21:34.280 They're saying, to use the term Western is so wrong.

00:21:37.560 You have to, you're really talking about whiteness, that white people are better than 1.00

00:21:41.400 brown people.

00:21:42.300 That's not what it's saying at all. 0.99

00:21:43.380 Well, also, this is, again, just another evidence of these people's ignorance.

00:21:50.200 When you think about the great figures in history, in Western history, are they all blonde-haired, 0.78

00:21:57.520 blue-eyed guys?

00:21:58.200 I don't think that's true.

00:22:00.920 One example I think of is St.

00:22:03.160 Augustine of Hippo, one of the five greatest minds in the history of the West.

00:22:08.780 He was from Carthage.

00:22:12.540 Something tells me he was a bit swarthy. 0.94

00:22:14.120 I'm a bit swarthy myself, I'll have you know.

00:22:16.620 The discoverer of the Americas was Italian, a little on the darker side as well. 1.00

00:22:20.620 But they have to paint all of the West as this just Aryan, white, blonde, blue-eyed, 0.85

00:22:27.520 racially uniform type thing.

00:22:29.380 Because they can't grapple with the ideas.

00:22:31.080 They can't grapple with history.

00:22:32.220 So they write it off as bigoted.

00:22:34.400 And then, just very briefly, I have to mention the other two terms they included there.

00:22:39.220 Tucking and packing.

00:22:41.780 Do you know what these terms are?

00:22:43.920 If you're watching with a young child, please cover his ears right now.

00:22:49.440 Tucking is when a man really wants to look like a woman. 0.94

00:22:55.340 He tucks.

00:22:58.180 And when a woman really wants to look like a man, she packs. 1.00

00:23:05.160 This is being described in the Amherst Guide to Language. 0.97

00:23:08.480 I mention it, one, because it's ridiculous.

00:23:10.680 But two, because it shows you the lengths to which they will go to invent new terms. 0.54

00:23:16.180 To invent new language in service of their own ideology.

00:23:21.040 And gender ideology is so central to the left's broader ideological agenda right now.

00:23:29.180 All of this.

00:23:30.100 What is all of this?

00:23:31.260 Very different versions of it, but all the same assault on language.

00:23:35.220 This reminds me of the play Alice in Wonderland by Alice Gerstenberg.

00:23:42.800 There's a passage in Alice in Wonderland where Alice is talking to Humpty Dumpty.

00:23:47.740 Humpty Dumpty says, when I use a word, it means just what I choose it to mean.

00:23:53.000 Neither more nor less.

00:23:54.800 Alice responds, the question is whether you can make words mean different things.

00:23:59.700 The question is, which is to be master.

00:24:02.300 That's all.

00:24:04.320 Impenetrability.

00:24:04.960 That's what I say.

00:24:06.580 Would you tell me, please, what that means?

00:24:08.260 I meant by impenetrability that we've had enough of that subject, and it would be just as well if you'd mention what you mean to do next, as I suppose you don't mean to stop here all the rest of your life.

00:24:19.500 That little exchange tells you everything you need to know about this language battle that's going on.

00:24:25.780 The left, like Humpty Dumpty, wants to use a word and just have it mean whatever they say that it means.

00:24:32.920 Now, Alice asks the question that we're all asking, can you make words mean different things than they mean?

00:24:41.440 And Humpty Dumpty asks the real question, which is to be master?

00:24:47.200 To use words accurately, to use words to mean what they mean, or to redefine words altogether?

00:24:54.260 In the long run, reality reasserts itself, but in the short run, the left knows that they can impose their tyranny over logic, over reason, by redefining the words.

00:25:08.940 Humpty Dumpty says, impenetrability.

00:25:12.760 And what does he mean by impenetrability?

00:25:14.280 He says, go away now.

00:25:15.540 Go away.

00:25:15.980 I'm not talking about this.

00:25:17.340 He sends Alice away, who's asking for some reason.

00:25:20.160 That's what's happening at even our elite universities.

00:25:22.640 Amherst College is considered a very good college.

00:25:26.580 And this is the sort of thing that they're putting out.

00:25:29.520 Impenetrability.

00:25:30.400 Which is to be master?

00:25:31.920 That is the question.

00:25:33.580 We've got a lot more to talk about.

00:25:35.200 We've got to talk about how this ties into trigger warnings, Jordan Peterson, and the mailbag.

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00:26:23.620 We'll be right back with a lot more on the mailbag.

00:26:35.560 What is the point of all this language doctoring?

00:26:37.840 The left would tell us that it's just about making people comfortable, just about understanding.

00:26:44.920 No, it's not either of those things.

00:26:46.640 The evidence of this is the trigger warnings.

00:26:48.780 Another way that they try to censor ideas is through trigger warnings.

00:26:52.920 Before you can encounter a great work of literature or history or whatever, they will now offer

00:26:58.900 a trigger warning.

00:26:59.700 Say, if you're prone to post-traumatic stress, you shouldn't read this.

00:27:04.380 If you've ever been in an altar, you shouldn't.

00:27:06.240 Oh, it's bad.

00:27:06.900 This would be bad for you.

00:27:07.800 So there's a new study that just came out in Clinical Psychological Science showed that

00:27:11.780 people who see words with the warning or without the warning have exactly the same reaction.

00:27:18.040 The trigger warnings do nothing to alleviate the stress of people who go on to read them.

00:27:24.540 And it's actually even worse than this.

00:27:25.840 There was a Harvard study that came out last year.

00:27:27.920 It showed that trigger warnings make people less resilient.

00:27:31.020 And it can make reactions to triggering materials even worse.

00:27:37.380 So then what's the purpose?

00:27:39.580 Because in an academic context or in a context of public discourse,

00:27:43.240 you get the warning, okay, but you still have to grapple with the material.

00:27:46.980 Unless the real purpose is not psychological and not academic.

00:27:54.560 Trigger warnings are useless on that regard.

00:27:57.320 They're politically useful because they're really just about censorship.

00:28:01.280 They're a way to censor ideas and to censor great works and to censor great thinkers under the radar.

00:28:06.600 That's what it's all about.

00:28:08.400 It's even the case when it comes to popular speakers.

00:28:11.580 So I'm not just talking about Plato or Augustine or whatever.

00:28:14.700 Mark Twain, you know, there's a trigger warnings now on Huckleberry Finn.

00:28:18.920 I'm talking about popular modern speakers.

00:28:21.420 A great example of this, Jordan Peterson.

00:28:23.460 Jordan Peterson was offered to be a visiting fellow at Cambridge University.

00:28:30.160 This makes sense.

00:28:30.900 Jordan Peterson is one of the most popular academics.

00:28:33.320 I mean, certainly the most popular academic of our age.

00:28:37.280 This is his moment.

00:28:38.860 And the Cambridge University Student Union complained.

00:28:42.440 They said that he called white privilege a myth, and this was unacceptable.

00:28:48.280 He doubted the scientific consensus on climate change.

00:28:52.160 He claimed that men can be victims of gender oppression.

00:28:55.920 And he argued that the patriarchy is predicated on competence.

00:28:58.900 This is unacceptable.

00:29:00.560 They have to censor Jordan. 0.99

00:29:01.740 Now, the takeaway from this is profound for conservatives, because I think there are a lot of conservatives who think, hey, if I'm just kind of squishy, if I'm just one of the nice guys, if I'm just moderate, then the left won't censor me.

00:29:17.960 They can go after Donald Trump.

00:29:19.400 They can go after whoever, Janine Pirro, any of the people who are under fire.

00:29:27.380 They can go after them.

00:29:29.020 They'll never come after me.

00:29:30.080 I'm so reasonable.

00:29:31.200 I'm so moderate.

00:29:33.100 It doesn't matter.

00:29:34.140 The left doesn't go after you because of how conservative you are.

00:29:39.680 They go after you because of how prominent you are.

00:29:43.940 Jordan Peterson is not that conservative.

00:29:46.040 I like the guy.

00:29:46.720 I've always enjoyed talking to him.

00:29:48.900 We had a cigar with him, you know, a few months ago.

00:29:52.340 I enjoy talking to him.

00:29:53.640 He's not some rock-ribbed right winger.

00:29:56.400 He wasn't, you know, wearing Brooks Brothers ties during the Reagan Revolution, I don't think.

00:30:02.540 He dares to contradict certain leftist orthodoxy.

00:30:06.780 And he's very, very prominent.

00:30:10.380 If he were less prominent, they wouldn't worry as much about censoring him.

00:30:14.020 If other people were more prominent, they'd go after them.

00:30:17.360 That's what it's about.

00:30:18.200 It's not about the ideas.

00:30:19.340 It's about brute power.

00:30:22.440 I have to show you this, by the way, before we get to the mailbag today.

00:30:27.580 I was over in Michigan with Ben, and we had a good time.

00:30:31.240 There were all these planned protests.

00:30:33.320 And so I got to talk to some of the people out there on the street.

00:30:35.940 They were holding big signs that said, trans women are women, and Shapiro's a white supremacist,

00:30:42.140 and all that kind of stuff.

00:30:43.300 We just cut together a quick little clip.

00:30:45.000 Take a look from my little field trip to Michigan, then we'll get to the mailbag.

00:30:48.620 White supremacy! 0.70

00:30:50.500 This is our university! 0.98

00:30:52.780 White supremacy! 0.70

00:30:54.780 I'm Michael Knowles.

00:30:55.760 We're here at the University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, because Ben Shapiro is speaking tonight.

00:31:00.580 This has caused mayhem, protests, counter-events.

00:31:04.140 We are going to speak to students to see what they think.

00:31:06.880 There are a lot of protests planned.

00:31:08.340 Yeah.

00:31:08.980 What's that about?

00:31:10.080 Oh, I don't know.

00:31:10.940 I guess Ben is just so scary.

00:31:12.520 I mean, he's like me, a five-foot-nothing Jew.

00:31:14.820 I mean...

00:31:15.060 It was kind of getting excited for the protesters, but I haven't seen any.

00:31:18.260 What is this coming up?

00:31:19.220 Oh, no. Oh, no. Oh, no. It's happening.

00:31:20.540 It's here.

00:31:20.920 Is that Ben Shapiro's face on a magic mic thing?

00:31:22.620 I believe that is Ben Shapiro's face on a naked male body.

00:31:26.340 Excuse me. Hello. 0.76

00:31:27.480 You're here to protest that guy.

00:31:29.340 Yep.

00:31:29.960 Well, what group are you with?

00:31:31.300 We don't know.

00:31:32.100 You say that he's going to...

00:31:35.220 That is the closest I've ever been to Ben Shapiro's naked body, and I don't need any more of it.

00:31:39.300 What don't you like about Ben Shapiro?

00:31:40.760 He's pretty much what's wrong with this country.

00:31:44.280 Trans women are women. 0.90

00:31:45.920 So should trans women be allowed to compete in women's sports? 1.00

00:31:50.220 They're women. 1.00

00:31:51.380 Doesn't that obliterate the very category of women's sports? 1.00

00:31:54.080 No.

00:31:54.380 If they are truly women, then how is that any different than someone like, say, Rachel Dolezal,

00:32:01.960 who is a white person who identifies as a black person?

00:32:06.540 I don't have the answer.

00:32:08.220 Trans women are women. 0.90

00:32:09.500 That's like... 1.00

00:32:10.300 If a trans woman has a penis, is that a biologically female penis? 1.00

00:32:14.780 Yes. 1.00

00:32:15.960 There's female penises. 1.00

00:32:18.120 Are there male uteruses? 1.00

00:32:19.760 Absolutely.

00:32:20.440 What are they so afraid of?

00:32:21.460 Why can't they just go listen to Ben's talk, and then they can do their own talk later?

00:32:24.620 I mean, that's how you really make progress.

00:32:26.460 We're hoping that we get some people to come and actually listen, and actually try and challenge

00:32:30.700 their own views.

00:32:31.720 Yeah, we're not interested.

00:32:33.260 Would you like to...

00:32:34.440 Not a chance.

00:32:35.200 Would you like to?

00:32:35.840 I don't do media.

00:32:37.200 All right.

00:32:37.800 They want to stand.

00:32:38.740 They want to protest.

00:32:39.680 They want to hold up signs.

00:32:40.740 But they don't want to explain what the signs mean.

00:32:43.040 We're here because we really care about the issues.

00:32:45.800 We want to make sure things are getting done about them.

00:32:47.380 Well, I think you're doing God's work out here.

00:32:49.820 Thank you very much.

00:32:50.340 You're real.

00:32:50.880 And you say pineapples don't care about your feelings.

00:32:53.440 Yeah, a lot of people put it on pizza, and they get really confused and stuff, and

00:32:56.600 there's so much debate about pineapples, but they don't really care about our feelings

00:33:00.000 about whether it's on pizza or not.

00:33:01.280 We can use all of them.

00:33:03.100 So to serve the rest.

00:33:05.480 Do you think Ben Chappell is a white supremacist?

00:33:08.520 Are women.

00:33:09.360 Trans women. 1.00

00:33:10.640 He's a Jew. 1.00

00:33:11.540 There is so much more to that.

00:33:19.820 I mean, there were some of them, though.

00:33:21.620 It was so screechy that you couldn't even use the audio, but they—I understand why

00:33:28.040 they don't want to engage in any sort of discussion.

00:33:30.940 Like, there was one woman I asked her, I said, you know, doesn't transgender ideology obliterate

00:33:37.220 the category of women if men are basically just defining womanhood however they want,

00:33:42.820 according to whatever drag queen caricature they want. 1.00

00:33:45.260 And she said, oh, yeah, that's your gotcha question.

00:33:48.140 It's not a gotcha question.

00:33:49.320 It's a very basic question, given your premise.

00:33:53.320 And you can't answer it.

00:33:54.540 They can't answer it, so they want to jump around in signs and wear weird-looking masks.

00:33:58.960 But that's fine.

00:33:59.920 Can't wait to go meet some more of them out on the street.

00:34:02.220 Let's get to the mailbag.

00:34:03.360 First question from Troy.

00:34:05.280 Hey, Michael.

00:34:06.100 What do you think would happen if the Democratic Party—to the Democratic Party—if a black 1.00

00:34:10.420 Republican presidential candidate ran for office?

00:34:12.860 How would this play into the left's identity politics?

00:34:15.400 Thanks, Kennedy.

00:34:17.020 Hashtag came for Ben, stayed for Michael.

00:34:19.080 It wouldn't matter at all.

00:34:20.300 They would call us racist.

00:34:21.520 That's what would happen.

00:34:22.240 They could nominate the oldest, whitest, straightest, most manly guy in the world.

00:34:30.760 Probably not the most manly guy, if we're talking about—I'm just saying, the Democratic

00:34:34.880 nomination, that's probably not going to happen.

00:34:36.880 But they could nominate the whitest person ever.

00:34:40.340 We could nominate Wesley Snipes to be the Republican nominee for president.

00:34:45.660 They would call us racist.

00:34:46.720 They do this anyway.

00:34:48.220 And they call black people who are conservative Uncle Toms.

00:34:50.920 They do this to Clarence Thomas.

00:34:52.900 We have a black Supreme Court justice, one of the greatest justices in the history of

00:34:57.040 the court, probably the most conservative justice in the history of the court. 1.00

00:35:01.640 And they say, he's an idiot. 1.00

00:35:03.060 He's a race traitor. 1.00

00:35:04.480 That's all they do. 0.99

00:35:05.340 They would do it to us as well.

00:35:06.800 They do this to women. 1.00

00:35:07.660 They say Republicans are sexist.

00:35:09.840 So, you know, we nominated a woman for vice president in 2008. 0.96

00:35:14.340 We have—we had a female presidential candidate in 2016. 0.51

00:35:18.460 We have a ton of women serving in top roles in the Trump administration. 1.00

00:35:22.460 First woman ever to win a presidential campaign as the campaign manager, Kellyanne Conway.

00:35:27.760 What did they do for her?

00:35:29.440 All they do is promote her husband saying rude and awful things about her and her boss. 0.99

00:35:35.500 So it wouldn't matter at all.

00:35:36.680 So you're—you're assuming that logic would play some role in the left's attacks on the

00:35:42.520 right.

00:35:43.400 It's not—the left's attacks on the right are not because of logic or because of ideas.

00:35:47.280 It's all about tearing down tradition and—and conservative thought.

00:35:51.920 And so they're going to do it anyway, even if it doesn't make sense.

00:35:54.680 From Stan.

00:35:55.700 How you doing, Mike?

00:35:56.600 I know you and sweet little old Elisa are happily married.

00:35:59.800 But hypothetically, if she were to be unfaithful to you, how would you handle the situation?

00:36:04.300 Is adultery a good enough reason to divorce someone even if they did it once?

00:36:08.160 I know the Bible says till death do us part, but I think that cheating is a horrible act.

00:36:12.340 I asked Ben the same question a couple weeks ago.

00:36:14.120 He said he'd stay with his wife for the sake of the kids, but I want to know your thoughts.

00:36:17.220 Thanks.

00:36:17.480 Love the show.

00:36:19.660 Divorce is not permissible.

00:36:21.100 That's the beginning and end of it.

00:36:24.960 Divorce is not permissible.

00:36:28.440 In the case of emotional or physical abuse, a separation could be permissible or even morally

00:36:36.320 obligatory, or a civil divorce could be obligatory.

00:36:41.440 But this does not dissolve the sacramental union of marriage.

00:36:44.880 Now, in some cases, annulment recognizes, not divorce, but that a marriage was never legitimate

00:36:53.300 in the first place.

00:36:54.220 If you find out, you know, you're married to your wife for 30 years and you find out she's

00:36:58.100 your sister, that's not a legitimate marriage. 1.00

00:37:01.160 And so, that marriage would be annulled.

00:37:04.640 There is no exception to this rule for adultery.

00:37:08.340 Some people, I think, want to argue that in the Gospels, Christ makes an exception for

00:37:14.460 adultery.

00:37:15.280 Those arguments are extraordinarily weak and create a lot of perverse moral incentives.

00:37:21.000 There's really not a lot of evidence for that.

00:37:23.500 So, I would think that at my best, I would probably throw the guy out a window.

00:37:30.760 Well, that wouldn't be me at my best, but that would certainly be what I would want to

00:37:34.560 do.

00:37:34.740 But I like to think at my best, I would never get a divorce.

00:37:40.900 I'm pretty, pretty forceful on that.

00:37:45.380 Now, that's a horrible thing if your wife cheats on you. 1.00

00:37:49.040 It's really hard too, especially because typically it's men who stray because men very often think

00:37:56.920 with organs that they shouldn't be thinking with, more so than women do. 1.00

00:38:00.620 And so, it is a different situation when a man cheats on his wife and when a woman cheats 0.57

00:38:06.440 on her husband.

00:38:07.020 They're both horrific for a marriage, but you're even talking about the less common version.

00:38:12.880 So, it's incredibly hard.

00:38:14.020 I don't know how I would react in that situation.

00:38:16.880 I don't know how I would get over it.

00:38:18.820 I don't know how I would react to it.

00:38:20.640 But it's not a legitimate cause for divorce.

00:38:25.080 Nope.

00:38:25.820 Sorry.

00:38:26.540 Or maybe that's a good thing.

00:38:27.760 I think it's a good thing.

00:38:29.200 From Nicholas.

00:38:30.720 Dear Knowles, my older brother refers to you as Daddy Knowles.

00:38:34.480 What do you think about this?

00:38:36.100 I love it when they call me Big Papa.

00:38:38.380 And I only smoke stokes when they roll prop-pa.

00:38:42.300 That's what I think.

00:38:43.640 From Christian. 0.98

00:38:44.900 Dear Sir, I'm a pretty good Christian, but I admit that a vice of mine is that I like

00:38:49.320 to listen to and partake in edgier comedy like Adam Carolla and Gavin McGinnis.

00:38:54.320 I know it is not the most wholesome comedy, but I find them very funny and I do not think

00:38:58.020 this causes me to sin.

00:38:59.600 Can I keep listening?

00:39:00.540 Very respectfully, Christian.

00:39:02.320 Yeah, of course.

00:39:04.100 That's not a sin.

00:39:04.920 It's not a sin to listen to dirty comics.

00:39:06.980 Come on.

00:39:07.840 Both of those guys are very funny.

00:39:09.760 No, that's not at all.

00:39:11.160 But we've really broadened the definition of vice and sin if we think that listening

00:39:16.380 to the Adam Carolla podcast is a sin.

00:39:19.100 Now, you might be wasting time or you might be being lazy.

00:39:21.460 I guess that could be a sin.

00:39:22.500 But the comedy itself, no.

00:39:23.780 The comedy is a nice thing.

00:39:25.240 Comedy is one of the consolations of life.

00:39:27.520 Go on.

00:39:28.100 Enjoy the podcast.

00:39:29.560 Make sure every day, once you've finished listening to my podcast, you're more than welcome

00:39:34.820 to go on and listen to Adam or Gavin.

00:39:36.860 From Joshua.

00:39:37.660 Local students in my state, Bates College, Michigan, found signs posted around campus

00:39:43.700 that says, it's okay to be white.

00:39:45.940 Obviously, campus officials, local authorities, and the local media are freaking out over this.

00:39:50.000 What are your thoughts?

00:39:52.060 This was a pretty smart PR campaign by white racial politics activists.

00:40:02.900 It's okay to be white. 0.97

00:40:04.100 Why is this a good campaign?

00:40:06.040 Because nobody but a bigot could disagree with that statement.

00:40:09.580 Of course, it's okay to be white. 0.98

00:40:11.260 It's not terrible to be white. 0.81

00:40:15.280 It's okay to be black.

00:40:16.740 It's okay to be Hispanic.

00:40:18.740 It's okay to be Taiwanese.

00:40:20.980 Yeah, it's okay to have certain immutable physical characteristics.

00:40:26.700 Now, what do the signs imply?

00:40:28.660 What the signs are trying to do is something that racial activists have tried to do for

00:40:33.240 a long time, which is raise a white racial consciousness.

00:40:36.980 In some ways, this reaction should be totally expected.

00:40:40.080 The columnist Sam Francis predicted this.

00:40:41.980 He sort of called for it, which is that if the left is going to embrace racial politics 0.76

00:40:46.940 for every other racial group, then it—and, by the way, if those racial groups are going

00:40:52.580 to categorize whiteness as a legitimate category, if those intersectional politics people will

00:40:59.860 say whiteness is a racial category, then it makes perfect sense that the people that they 0.71

00:41:05.780 are criticizing and attacking for being white are going to have a white racial consciousness

00:41:10.900 themselves.

00:41:11.900 It's like my friend Mr. Clavin always says, bigotry turns the other person into what you

00:41:18.180 say they are.

00:41:19.200 So even—I think there could be a legitimate critique of whiteness per se because perhaps 0.86

00:41:25.920 the differences between Italians and Irishmen are legitimate, are distinct, are profound,

00:41:32.820 and maybe to classify them as one race is painting with too broad a brush.

00:41:38.860 However, because the left has embraced racial identity politics, there is now a white racial

00:41:45.060 consciousness.

00:41:46.380 Some people think this is the only way forward to preserve Western civilization.

00:41:50.580 I think that's total bunk, and I think it's mistaking the cart for the horse and the tail

00:41:56.880 wagging the dog.

00:41:58.500 The foundation of Western civilization is not physical.

00:42:03.460 It's not a physical trait.

00:42:05.080 It's not even cultural.

00:42:07.020 It's not—certainly not political.

00:42:10.040 It's religious.

00:42:12.520 Hilaire Belloc said, Europe is the faith, and the faith is Europe.

00:42:17.460 That is what creates Western civilization, is Christianity, the faith.

00:42:24.580 From there, because culture is downstream of religion, because culture is downstream of the

00:42:30.240 cult, you get Western culture, and from there you get Western politics.

00:42:33.160 And from there, as the West came into geographic form and expanded to other places, you get

00:42:39.280 certain racial characteristics.

00:42:40.760 But I think it's really backwards, and it's an easy mistake to make, but it's one that 0.97

00:42:45.620 all of these racial politics guys make.

00:42:48.040 Certainly on the left, but on the right too.

00:42:50.620 From Tony.

00:42:53.280 Hi, Michael.

00:42:54.300 Do you think AOC has a legitimate chance in 2024 to win the primary or general election?

00:42:59.840 I thought she was a guarantee for the primary until recent polling shows a dip in approval. 0.77

00:43:03.800 How do you see the trend moving from here?

00:43:05.420 Thanks.

00:43:05.780 Love the show.

00:43:06.500 She's very good at getting attention, but she's only gotten attention now for six months. 0.85

00:43:10.720 She hasn't been in the public eye for very long.

00:43:12.660 We're going to see if she flames out or if she has staying power. 1.00

00:43:15.620 Donald Trump is also good at getting attention, and he has consistently gotten attention for

00:43:19.800 40 years, which is why he was a more legitimate pop culture candidate than AOC or somebody like

00:43:27.380 that.

00:43:28.000 She will be 35 before election day in 2024, meaning she could, I guess she could be elected. 0.99

00:43:37.140 It would make her certainly the youngest president in American history, so the likelihood that she

00:43:41.680 goes anywhere, I'm not so sure. 0.99

00:43:43.060 And she's just so ignorant and she's so bad when she's not reading scripted remarks that 1.00

00:43:48.840 something tells me if she got onto a debate stage, she would be blown out of the water, 1.00

00:43:52.720 even with a radicalized Democrat party.

00:43:54.800 But we'll have to wait and see.

00:43:56.160 From Seamus.

00:43:57.540 Hi, Michael.

00:43:58.460 I recently heard the argument that the fusing of fiscal and social conservatism within the

00:44:03.260 same political movement is incoherent as fiscal conservatism and capitalism are not

00:44:08.560 philosophically connected to the preservation of traditional social values.

00:44:12.180 How would you respond to this claim?

00:44:13.960 Well, we're using very broad terms.

00:44:16.020 However, I don't really buy that premise.

00:44:19.140 Because if we're talking about fiscal conservatism as globalized free markets with no tariffs

00:44:26.080 whatsoever and no thought to American workers and no thought to American industry, then yeah,

00:44:31.300 I'm not so sure that that makes a whole lot of sense with social conservatism or traditionalism.

00:44:36.960 However, if we're talking about fiscal conservatism as protecting private property, then that's

00:44:42.700 quite conservative.

00:44:44.540 If we're talking about it as lower tax rates, lower property tax rates especially, less corporatism,

00:44:52.940 less cronyism, yeah, I think that has a whole lot to do with social conservatism.

00:44:58.100 It is certainly the case that when you have longstanding landed property interests that keep their own

00:45:06.220 property, that is going to be a great bulwark against radical social change and radical social evolution.

00:45:13.740 When you have a system that recognizes private property rights as a moral imperative rather than just

00:45:19.000 some sort of efficient utilitarian economic design, then you have a very good bulwark against radical

00:45:24.680 social engineering and revolution. So in that case, I think there is a very good argument for fiscal

00:45:30.060 conservatism and social conservatism. You just have to be careful to define fiscal conservatism and not

00:45:36.960 simply equate it with some open borders, constant open trade of libertarianism basically because those are

00:45:47.460 not the same thing.

00:45:48.540 Okay, that's our show. I'm in Missouri tonight. I'm going to be giving a speech at Truman State

00:45:51.840 University. So if you're in Kirksville, Missouri, swing on by. Come on by. Just a quick three-hour

00:45:57.600 drive from the Kansas City airport. Otherwise, I will see you on Monday. In the meantime, I'm Michael

00:46:04.400 Knowles. This is The Michael Knowles Show.

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00:46:47.060 than supporters, you know. And I will explain why, in my opinion, we should never be fans of

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The Michael Knowles Show - March 21, 2019

Ep. 318 - Undergrads In Wonderland

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