The Michael Knowles Show - Ep. 378 - Who Is Jeffrey Epstein？

00:00:00.000 A billionaire Democrat donor finally gets pinched for sex with children, 0.94

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00:00:07.960 We will examine who exactly is Jeffrey Epstein.

00:00:11.940 Then, can mermaids be black?

00:00:13.920 We will analyze the Disney Little Mermaid non-traversy.

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00:00:24.420 I'm Michael Knowles, and this is The Michael Knowles Show.

00:00:30.000 This is the big question of the day.

00:00:36.660 Jeffrey Epstein.

00:00:38.640 Is Jeffrey Epstein going to take down every famous politician that you've ever heard of,

00:00:44.340 or is Jeffrey Epstein going to get off the hook again?

00:00:48.140 He is this billionaire hedge fund manager playboy who has been sleeping with a ton of underage girls for a very long time.

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00:02:35.960 Who is Jeffrey Epstein?

00:02:37.760 You're probably hearing a lot of conflicting things in the press.

00:02:40.560 He's just one of those names that's been floating around for a while now.

00:02:44.060 And it's such an irony because he's this billionaire hedge fund manager.

00:02:49.680 He's got ties to some of the world's most prominent politicians.

00:02:52.860 He was convicted of soliciting sex from a minor.

00:02:56.380 And he's now been arrested for sex trafficking.

00:02:58.760 And it also seems for possession of child pornography.

00:03:02.660 This guy is super duper rich.

00:03:05.480 He's a major Democratic donor.

00:03:07.640 The media did not cover him at all for over 10 years now.

00:03:11.360 They haven't covered his obvious crimes.

00:03:13.880 But now that they think that they can tie him to Trump, all of a sudden, they're going after him.

00:03:20.320 And frankly, I encourage it.

00:03:22.440 I say, great, bring it on.

00:03:23.700 I think they're going to hoist themselves by their own petard here. 0.99

00:03:27.200 This guy is super rich.

00:03:28.840 So in 1992, he owned the largest private residence in Manhattan.

00:03:34.720 And he's got ties to a lot of people, not just Democrats, though he does have ties to a lot of Democrats.

00:03:40.260 But he has ties to Bill Clinton, Donald Trump, Prince Andrew in the UK.

00:03:45.140 He's got ties to Alan Dershowitz, a friend of the show and, you know, top lawyer in America.

00:03:50.180 Ken Starr, another very important lawyer and judge.

00:03:52.900 He was the guy who was going after Bill Clinton during the Lewinsky affair.

00:03:57.680 Major, major people.

00:03:59.680 Now, something that the media reports have gotten wrong on this and have kind of clouded the issue, I think,

00:04:05.920 is that it's not uncommon for very, very rich people to know other very, very important people.

00:04:12.380 This is not uncommon at all.

00:04:13.940 This is what happens.

00:04:14.880 I mean, this guy was a member of New York's high society.

00:04:18.000 And when you're really rich or you're really famous or you're really powerful, you tend to know a lot of other people who are really rich and really powerful and really famous.

00:04:26.600 So Epstein was no different.

00:04:28.460 And because Epstein did do some philanthropic work because he was a big name in charity, he had even more reason to know these people.

00:04:36.300 So Jeffrey Epstein had this charitable foundation.

00:04:39.400 They donated in 2003 $30 million to Harvard to establish a mathematical, biology, and evolutionary dynamics program there.

00:04:48.620 So he gets lauded.

00:04:50.240 He goes around to high society.

00:04:52.140 Harvard professors and graduates like Alan Dershowitz say, oh, he's a great guy.

00:04:56.400 You know, oh, I like Jeffrey.

00:04:57.840 Yeah, he's fun to be around.

00:05:00.040 President Trump gave a quote to this 2002 New York magazine profile.

00:05:04.560 Said, oh, yeah, Jeffrey, he's got a great social life.

00:05:07.400 Bill Clinton said, oh, yeah, Jeffrey, he has a keen knowledge of global markets.

00:05:12.700 And what Epstein seems to have done is through his philanthropy, through his business interests, he created this collection of friends.

00:05:21.120 That's the word he used.

00:05:22.300 He had a collection of friends that were strategic.

00:05:24.460 He said, quote, I invest in people, be it politics or science.

00:05:29.040 It's what I do.

00:05:30.280 So why was he investing in people?

00:05:32.360 Well, we saw last time around in 2007 when he got pinched for soliciting sex from children and for other sex crimes that he maybe was able to use that collection of people to help him get off the hook.

00:05:45.040 Now, he also had this island, this private island in the Caribbean, which is called Little St. James.

00:05:50.400 And he had a plane, a very famous or infamous plane that he would take to and from this island and he would lend out to his famous friends like Bill Clinton.

00:05:58.200 And the plane was known as the Lolita Express, Lolita from the famous novel about having sex with a young girl. 0.94

00:06:05.540 So pretty shady guy.

00:06:08.980 Why did he have this island?

00:06:10.280 And ostensibly, it's because he ran his business for tax purposes out of the Caribbean, out of St. Thomas.

00:06:16.440 And so he owned this island right next door.

00:06:18.640 What was he doing on that island?

00:06:21.220 We already have some idea and we're going to hear a lot more as this investigation goes on.

00:06:26.140 Pretty shady dude.

00:06:29.280 And the question also is how did he make all his money?

00:06:31.920 I mean, he was a college dropout.

00:06:33.740 He had been a teacher very briefly of high school students.

00:06:37.120 And then he gets into finance, he's working at Bear Stearns, he leaves there, he's working at his own hedge fund.

00:06:45.300 Even that is not totally uncommon.

00:06:48.160 You know, this is one of the marks they give to Trump.

00:06:52.800 They'll say, oh, Donald Trump, he's not really as rich as he says he is.

00:06:56.020 Oh, Jeffrey Epstein, he's not really as rich as he says he is.

00:06:58.640 This 2002 New York Magazine article, which is kind of the famous profile of him, said basically the same thing.

00:07:05.120 They suggested he wasn't really as rich as he said.

00:07:07.520 They quoted one Wall Streeter as saying, he is this mysterious Gatsby-esque figure.

00:07:13.080 He likes people to think that he's very rich and he cultivates this air of aloofness.

00:07:17.440 The whole thing is weird.

00:07:19.500 Yeah, the whole thing is really weird.

00:07:21.080 So that's the background on Jeffrey Epstein.

00:07:23.160 What did he do?

00:07:23.860 In 2005, the Palm Beach police get a call from a woman saying that Jeffrey Epstein had invited her 14-year-old stepdaughter over to his mansion and molested her.

00:07:35.940 And that the stepdaughter had also been invited by another female friend and that there were these girls kind of recruiting each other to go to Epstein's mansion down in Palm Beach.

00:07:46.600 Police interviewed five of the alleged victims.

00:07:49.540 They got 17 witnesses under oath to describe all these things that Epstein was doing.

00:07:55.840 They then go and they investigate his mansion.

00:07:57.740 They find a high school transcript in Epstein's trash.

00:08:00.620 That's pretty weird.

00:08:01.300 I don't keep those lying around my house.

00:08:03.100 They found photos of the girls in his house.

00:08:05.520 Some of the documents suggested that Epstein had installed video cameras to record the sex with underage girls.

00:08:12.520 And this is where the politicians come in. 0.72

00:08:15.380 He would invite some of these prominent politicians over, presumably to have sex with these young girls, and he would videotape them as well. 0.84

00:08:24.580 So now you've got some evidence of maybe having stuff for blackmail, maybe to get his friends to help him out in a pinch.

00:08:32.740 So this is where it gets really dodgy politically.

00:08:35.700 The police bring this heap of evidence to the Palm Beach County prosecutor, Barry Krischer, who is a major Democrat.

00:08:45.140 Jeffrey Epstein, major Democrat.

00:08:47.420 And what does the Democratic prosecutor do?

00:08:50.120 He basically punches.

00:08:51.460 He basically just charges this guy with one count of soliciting prostitution.

00:08:56.300 Not with having sex with minors, not with trafficking minors, not with possession of child pornography, not with producing child pornography, none of that. 0.86

00:09:08.520 What it looks like is a sweetheart deal from a Democrat prosecutor to a Democrat donor pedophile child molester to help him get off the hook. 0.67

00:09:16.220 Now, all of this is still basically a local matter, except for any evidence of crimes that took place on his airplane, the Lolita Express, or on his private island.

00:09:28.620 Evidence of crimes in those two places make it a federal case.

00:09:32.380 It's no longer just a local matter.

00:09:34.220 So this investigation ends, and obviously it's taken up at the federal level.

00:09:38.920 It ends in a 53-page indictment that could have sent Jeffrey Epstein to prison for life.

00:09:46.780 Then, in 2007, the then U.S. attorney, Alexander Acosta, who's a Republican, who's now Trump's labor secretary, had Epstein plead guilty to two state charges.

00:09:58.780 So you still think, two state charges? 0.98

00:10:00.500 This guy is a sick pedophile who's flying all over God's green earth on the Lolita Express with girls. 0.99

00:10:06.160 How are you only going to get him on two state charges? 1.00

00:10:08.900 Well, in Acosta's defense, at least he got Epstein to admit to something.

00:10:13.780 At least he got Epstein on the hook for something, which the Democratic prosecutor, Krischer, wasn't going to do.

00:10:19.520 But because it was only two state charges, it was no longer a federal matter.

00:10:24.680 This removed it from federal hands.

00:10:26.680 It gave Epstein this sweetheart deal.

00:10:28.420 And this guy, accused of pretty horrific crimes, his punishment is 13 months, not in federal prison, not in a really tough prison,

00:10:41.120 in the Palm Beach County Jail, in a private wing of the Palm Beach County Jail, and then, wait for it,

00:10:48.280 with 12 hours a day work release so that he could go to his nice cushy office and then return to the prison at night.

00:10:58.340 And he got that six days a week.

00:11:02.480 It's also a little weird because in Palm Beach County, you're not supposed to get work release if you're a sex offender.

00:11:06.880 So everything about this deal stinks to high heaven.

00:11:10.000 Why would they give it to him?

00:11:13.160 I mean, look, I get that he's a donor, but ultimately, you know, this is maybe too much even for that.

00:11:18.500 Here's the key.

00:11:19.860 The agreement that they reached, the non-prosecution agreement, granted immunity to any potential co-conspirators.

00:11:28.280 So who are the potential co-conspirators?

00:11:30.620 Could have been the girls who were recruiting the other girls to come to his mansion. 0.96

00:11:33.780 Could have been some of the socialites.

00:11:37.820 Ghislaine Maxwell is one of the women named who helped to recruit these girls.

00:11:43.180 And it could be all the rich, famous businessmen and CEOs and presidents and politicians and whatever who have been associated with him.

00:11:52.200 If they took part in any of that criminal activity, they are granted immunity by this deal.

00:11:57.640 Maybe that's what this is all about.

00:11:58.840 So this past February, a federal judge ruled that the prosecutors in 2007 had violated the Crime Victims' Rights Act

00:12:07.660 by hiding the non-prosecution agreement from the 30-plus girls who had accused Epstein of molesting them.

00:12:14.620 So they said that the agreement itself is not valid because they didn't, the girls didn't get to see it.

00:12:21.340 In June, federal prosecutors were arguing that there was actually no legal basis for violating the agreement.

00:12:27.420 Obviously, I'm not expert in, first of all, I'm not expert in this area generally.

00:12:34.240 But nobody is expert in this agreement because we have no idea what's really in the agreement.

00:12:38.660 So anybody who's telling you, well, this is totally right and this is totally wrong,

00:12:41.580 they almost certainly have no idea what they're talking about.

00:12:44.400 That's what this whole process is about.

00:12:46.320 It's unsealing this agreement.

00:12:47.900 It's unsealing this investigation.

00:12:49.560 And it's seeing what this guy was accused of and who also was accused alongside him.

00:12:54.040 Now on Saturday, this past Saturday, just a few days ago, Epstein gets arrested again.

00:13:00.700 Not for exactly the same crimes, but for sex trafficking.

00:13:06.100 Why?

00:13:06.720 Because Epstein had the island.

00:13:09.220 Epstein has his residence in New York.

00:13:11.780 Epstein has his Palm Beach place.

00:13:13.160 He's got a ranch in New Mexico.

00:13:15.080 Very rich guy.

00:13:15.980 How did Epstein get away with this for so long?

00:13:21.160 Some of the reasons are actually pretty innocent.

00:13:25.400 He hired a dream team of lawyers.

00:13:27.160 He hired, apparently, Alan Dershowitz and Ken Starr.

00:13:30.300 These are two of the greatest legal minds of their generation and in our country.

00:13:35.280 There's nothing nefarious about that.

00:13:38.140 O.J. Simpson hired the same lawyer.

00:13:39.960 O.J. Simpson hired Alan Dershowitz.

00:13:41.600 O.J. Simpson, obviously guilty as sin, but everybody's entitled to a defense.

00:13:46.120 And if you're a very wealthy criminal, you're going to hire the best lawyers.

00:13:50.280 That seems perfectly fine.

00:13:52.680 Then what is being reported is that Epstein had his own investigators dig up dirt on the

00:13:59.540 people investigating him and on the families of the people investigating him.

00:14:04.220 So he got a nice dossier of potential blackmail material that may have led to this.

00:14:12.240 How else did he get away with it for so long?

00:14:15.020 The media never reported on it.

00:14:16.960 If it had been a Republican donor, let me tell you, they would have reported on this in

00:14:20.020 two seconds.

00:14:21.360 But a Democratic donor, they want to cover it up. 0.80

00:14:23.880 I mean, there's a guy, there's a Democratic donor in California who's killed two black 0.95

00:14:28.940 men. 0.99

00:14:29.320 He lures gay black men to his house. 1.00

00:14:30.740 He's killed two of them. 1.00

00:14:32.280 That barely made the news.

00:14:33.280 We talked about it on the show a little bit.

00:14:35.360 Very few people are talking about it.

00:14:36.900 Democratic donors get different treatment in the mainstream media.

00:14:40.000 And then what's the last reason?

00:14:42.060 Is Epstein has a lot of money.

00:14:46.500 Simple as that.

00:14:47.380 Money is a very powerful tool.

00:14:49.120 And we can complain about that all we want.

00:14:50.900 We can deny that that matters.

00:14:52.440 But money has always been very powerful.

00:14:55.740 That's why people want money. 0.98

00:14:57.620 Money is power.

00:14:59.480 Pretty simple.

00:15:00.460 So who is really implicated here?

00:15:03.280 Is Trump going to go down because of this?

00:15:06.020 Is Clinton going to go down?

00:15:07.540 Let's get beyond just the headlines and the innuendo.

00:15:12.300 It seems to be the case that President Trump was pals with Jeffrey Epstein.

00:15:16.700 He gave this quote about how he's always, he's fun to hang around with.

00:15:20.380 And Jeffrey really enjoys his social life.

00:15:22.320 He put it in that 2002 New York Magazine piece.

00:15:25.920 This makes a little bit of sense though, because Jeffrey Epstein was a member of Donald Trump's

00:15:31.300 country club, Mar-a-Lago.

00:15:33.180 The club that Donald Trump owns, Jeffrey Epstein was a member at.

00:15:36.600 So it's not, at least Donald Trump would have one innocent reason to see Jeffrey Epstein,

00:15:42.660 to pal around with him beyond the insinuation that he was going on the Lolita Express or something.

00:15:48.600 How about Bill Clinton?

00:15:49.560 Bill Clinton gave a nice quote about Jeffrey Epstein in that 2002 New York Magazine profile.

00:15:56.280 But why was Clinton hanging around with Jeffrey Epstein?

00:16:00.080 President Trump, and this is being reported in very few places,

00:16:03.440 President Trump predicted just a few years ago that Epstein would take down Bill Clinton.

00:16:09.180 Here he is.

00:16:10.020 Bill Clinton.

00:16:11.560 Nice guy.

00:16:12.560 I got a lot of problems coming up, in my opinion, with the famous island with Jeffrey Epstein.

00:16:18.920 A lot of problems.

00:16:20.220 A lot of problems coming up with that famous island.

00:16:22.780 Got a lot of problems with Jeffrey Epstein.

00:16:25.940 Would President Trump really have made that prediction that Epstein was going to take down

00:16:30.340 Bill Clinton if Donald Trump were in serious danger here as well?

00:16:34.620 I'm skeptical of that.

00:16:35.700 I think Trump is a little too cagey.

00:16:37.380 Trump is a little too strategic for that.

00:16:39.440 Now, you might say that Donald Trump doesn't know anything about Clinton's relations to

00:16:46.020 Jeffrey Epstein.

00:16:46.900 That's fair.

00:16:47.600 Donald Trump has promoted conspiracy theories.

00:16:51.120 President Trump, especially when he's going after the Clintons, is willing to throw spaghetti

00:16:55.020 at the wall.

00:16:55.800 So I wouldn't only believe the dodgy Clinton-Epstein connection on the word of President Trump.

00:17:03.580 But Bill Clinton is acting really, really weird about this.

00:17:06.820 And he's been caught in a couple serious lies about his relationship with Epstein, which

00:17:10.960 makes me think this guy has been up to no good with his old buddy on the Lolita Express.

00:17:16.640 Here is, as this news broke, here is the statement that President Clinton released about his

00:17:23.320 relationship.

00:17:24.680 It says, quote,

00:17:25.220 Let me stop you right there. 0.98

00:17:33.700 He knows nothing about it.

00:17:35.500 He knows nothing about a very serious story from a major Democratic donor and from a friend

00:17:42.000 of his that he's palled around with for years.

00:17:43.820 He knows nothing about it.

00:17:44.840 That's what you're trying to tell me?

00:17:46.380 I don't think so.

00:17:47.540 He goes on.

00:17:48.040 That's an important detail.

00:18:00.320 One to Europe, one to Asia, and two to Africa, which included stops in connection with the

00:18:06.880 work of the Clinton Foundation.

00:18:09.100 Staff supporters of the foundation and his Secret Service detail traveled on every leg

00:18:14.400 of every trip.

00:18:15.840 He had one meeting with Epstein in his Harlem office in 2002 and around the same time made

00:18:22.000 one brief visit to Epstein's New York apartment with a staff member and his security detail.

00:18:28.040 Okay, hold on.

00:18:28.700 So you're saying, okay, look, he barely, he doesn't know anything about Epstein.

00:18:32.020 He's never, who?

00:18:33.100 Epstein who?

00:18:34.460 Well, yeah, he took his, his plane.

00:18:37.020 Yeah, well, yeah, he took it four times all over the world.

00:18:40.300 Well, yeah, he, he invited him to meet with him at his Harlem office.

00:18:45.700 Well, yeah, he stopped by his private residence in New York, but he had people around him.

00:18:53.320 Nothing to see here.

00:18:54.020 Nothing to see here, folks.

00:18:55.320 Then the statement concludes, he's not spoken to Epstein in well over a decade and has never

00:19:00.220 been to Little St. James Island, Epstein's ranch in New Mexico, or his residence in Florida.

00:19:05.320 Okay, first of all, no one's accusing Bill Clinton of going to the island or the ranch in

00:19:10.480 New Mexico or the Florida residence. People are wondering why he was palling around with

00:19:15.360 Jeffrey Epstein so much, why he was flying all over on the Lolita Express. Notice that

00:19:20.140 Clintonian language too. He took four trips on the airplane. Well, what were the four trips?

00:19:28.180 So the four trips on the airplane, one to Europe, one to Asia, two to Africa.

00:19:32.140 How do you define a trip on an airplane? I guess it depends on what the definition of trip is.

00:19:41.020 When I, when I fly to New York, I live in LA, I fly to New York. Do I take one trip on an airplane

00:19:47.260 or do I take at least two trips on an airplane? I take one when I fly to New York. I take another

00:19:52.800 when I fly back from New York. That's not one trip on an airplane. That's two trips on an airplane.

00:19:58.660 Clinton says he took four trips on the airplane. He took them to four places. Did he not fly back?

00:20:05.040 He didn't come back from Europe? He's still over in Asia? Is he still over in Africa? I don't think so.

00:20:10.560 Did he go straight there and straight back? Maybe did he stop at other places along the way?

00:20:15.760 How much was he on that airplane? Well, we actually might have an answer to that. Three years ago,

00:20:21.760 Fox News uncovered flight records from the Lolita Express that showed that Bill Clinton had flown on it.

00:20:27.200 26 times, not four times, not even four times, four times. 26 times. And that included, according to

00:20:36.900 the flight records, five trips without his Secret Service detail. That's a little different because

00:20:44.680 you wonder why does, why is Clinton is responding here like a, like a guilty man. He was always there

00:20:50.360 with a staff member. He was always there with a Secret Service detail. He only did it four times.

00:20:53.800 Well, you basically admit in the statement itself, it was more than four trips unless he just stayed in

00:20:59.640 Europe, unless he stayed in Asia. We know he didn't do that. Were the Secret Service there the whole

00:21:05.960 time? Frankly, even if they were, I'm not sure that that matters that much. No offense to the Secret

00:21:10.760 Service. I don't know Bill Clinton's Secret Service detail. We just know from his time as governor of

00:21:16.000 Arkansas that he would regularly use state employees to cover up his affairs and his sexual abuses all

00:21:23.400 around the state. We know, we know that the, the detail knew all about it.

00:21:30.760 So what was it? Let's say he went on it those five times, according to the records,

00:21:34.680 without the Secret Service detail. What occurred on that plane? Why did he take that plane? Bill

00:21:39.640 Clinton has access to lots of private planes. Why did he take Jeffrey Epstein's? It's been reported

00:21:44.980 that this plane has been fitted out for weird sex, that it includes a bed where bizarre and unsavory 0.55

00:21:51.540 activities take place. Also on the flight records with Bill Clinton were the names of girls. Who 0.58

00:21:58.960 are those girls? One of the girls was named Tatiana. I don't mean to stereotype, but Tatiana doesn't

00:22:06.740 sound like a real hardcore butch Secret Service member. No, Tatiana is a very effeminate name. I don't

00:22:15.400 know. I'm just raising questions. So how does this really look for the people who are implicated in

00:22:21.180 being associated with him? It doesn't bother me that famous people associated with a billionaire.

00:22:26.320 Famous people associate with billionaires, and politicians in particular associate with billionaires.

00:22:31.820 Dershowitz has been accused of engaging in these sexual activities by a witness that seems to me

00:22:37.980 uncredible. Her name is Virginia Roberts, I believe is her last name. She was kind of the main witness,

00:22:44.400 and she seems to have contradicted herself a few times. Dershowitz has repeatedly and forcefully

00:22:49.780 denied all of the allegations against him, and Dershowitz has called for all of the records to

00:22:54.540 be unsealed. So either he is bluffing harder and more confidently than anybody has ever bluffed,

00:23:00.520 or he really feels that he'll be exonerated by all of this, and that he's the victim of a false

00:23:07.680 accusation. Why am I inclined to believe Alan Dershowitz here? He was Epstein's lawyer. He has

00:23:15.980 a perfectly legitimate reason to be palling around with Epstein. He is a very obvious target for people

00:23:23.860 to go after because of that coordination, and because he was literally professionally defending

00:23:30.020 Epstein. So Dershowitz, I think he looks fine so far. We'll see what happens, but it doesn't seem to me

00:23:35.460 that there's any hard evidence that he did anything wrong. Ken Starr doesn't have any allegations

00:23:41.060 against him, as far as I can tell. Also, a lawyer for Jeffrey Epstein. Looks safe enough. So when you

00:23:48.960 see those names pop up in the reporting on this, I think it's a little bit of a distraction.

00:23:56.740 How about President Trump? Now, President Trump has obviously less of a reason to associate with Epstein

00:24:01.220 than Epstein's lawyers do, but he ran the country club that Epstein was a member of. It was a very

00:24:05.640 exclusive club. Trump knows, as far as we can see, most of the members there, many of the members

00:24:10.920 there, and we've never seen a successful sexual harassment or sexual assault allegation against

00:24:17.380 Trump. You remember, a week or two ago, that wacko E. Carol Jean, or E. Jean Carol came out, the New York

00:24:25.280 advice columnist, and she said Trump had raped her. Then she said, no, he didn't rape her. Then she went on 0.98

00:24:29.880 Anderson Cooper said, rape is sexy. And then she said a lot of strange things that obviously show 1.00

00:24:36.100 she's not well. Was not a credible allegation, which is why the mainstream media dropped it as

00:24:40.580 quickly as they picked it up. So as for now, I think Trump looks basically fine here.

00:24:48.360 And then there's Bill Clinton. How does this look for Clinton? What are other prominent Democrats

00:24:55.680 saying about Clinton's role in this? What effect is this going to have on the Democratic Party and on

00:25:02.200 2020? We'll also have to get to the most important question. Can a mermaid be black? We've got some 1.00

00:25:06.860 other questions to get to, too. But first, I've got to say goodbye to Facebook and YouTube. Before I do

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00:26:29.080 right back. This is bad for Bill Clinton. Doesn't look good. I'm not saying certainly that he did

00:26:45.660 anything, but it doesn't look good. There is much less of a reason for Bill Clinton to be

00:26:49.880 palling around with Jeffrey Epstein in the early 2000s. He was out of office. He wasn't raising money

00:26:55.380 for himself. Hillary Clinton, I guess, was a U.S. Senator, and she was mounting a bid for president.

00:27:01.760 You don't see her palling around with Epstein too much. I mean, she would probably be the main

00:27:05.980 fundraiser there. The other issue for Clinton is there have been very legitimate sexual harassment, 1.00

00:27:12.580 sexual assault claims against him. We all, as a nation, saw him perjure himself. We all know that

00:27:17.700 he sexually harassed his 20-year-old intern in the Oval Office. There have been credible allegations

00:27:22.780 against him for years, and that includes one serious rape allegation. So things look the worst

00:27:29.120 for Bill Clinton in all of this, which is why the mainstream media are trying to portray it

00:27:33.040 as Trump pal Jeffrey Epstein. A lot more ties between Bill Clinton and Jeffrey Epstein than between

00:27:39.940 Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein. The important thing, though, is to let things shake out. I think

00:27:44.560 a lot of left-wingers are very excited about this because they think it's going to hurt Trump.

00:27:50.120 This is what they did with the Russia investigation, and what did they do there? They got hoisted by

00:27:54.680 their own petard. On the Russia investigation, they thought, if we look into the 2016 interference

00:28:01.340 in the presidential election, this is going to take down Trump because he was like Rocky and

00:28:06.720 Bullwinkle, or he's like, what are the two Russians in Rocky and Bullwinkle? Boris and

00:28:11.880 Natasha. Boris and Natasha. He's like basically a secret double agent for Russia, and they're going

00:28:17.660 to take him down. And what happens? You look into the Russia interference, and you realize it looks

00:28:23.560 much, much worse for Democrats. You realize the only actual foreign collusion that took place

00:28:29.320 was between the Hillary Clinton campaign and the Democratic National Committee and a firm called

00:28:34.720 Fusion GPS and an oppo guy named Christopher Steele and Russian intelligence assets. The collusion

00:28:42.560 took place on the Democrat side. It looks awful. It's why the Democrats now are trying to shut it down.

00:28:46.800 I think the same thing is going to happen here. They hear rumors of Trump pal Jeffrey Epstein,

00:28:51.500 and they're going to go after Jeffrey Epstein finally. There's way more of a smoking gun with

00:28:57.440 prominent Democrats, including Bill Clinton. And don't just take my word for it. Christine

00:29:01.680 Pelosi, does that name sound familiar? Nancy Pelosi's daughter, tweeted just a few days ago,

00:29:06.880 quote, this Epstein case is horrific, and the young women deserve justice. It is quite likely that some

00:29:12.700 of our faves are implicated, but we must follow the facts and let the chips fall where they may,

00:29:18.960 whether on Republicans or Democrats. Hashtag we said enough, hashtag me too. Why is she saying this?

00:29:24.940 She's saying this because she knows that this could likely hit Democrats much harder than Republicans.

00:29:32.780 But we shouldn't make the mistake that the left does all the time. We shouldn't just jump the gun

00:29:37.320 and say, ha ha, totally, we've got them now. We shouldn't pull a Kavanaugh, right? We shouldn't,

00:29:43.500 we shouldn't shoot before we aim. We should let this play out. And I strongly suspect it's going to

00:29:49.480 play out in the same way that we've seen these other stories play out. I think the left is,

00:29:53.140 has been so whipped up into a frenzy that they are reopening cases that we would have wanted

00:29:58.100 reopened 10 years ago. And it's probably not going to shake out very well for them. And then you're

00:30:03.100 probably going to need to get another leftist years tumbler because I think they're going to

00:30:05.780 overflow. But we got to let the process play out. It is a good thing that this is being reopened.

00:30:10.840 And we shouldn't let the mainstream media get away with one minute of trying to turn this into a

00:30:16.080 Republican scandal. We've got to make sure that we follow the facts. As Christine Pelosi says,

00:30:21.800 wherever they land, apparently, likely, on Democrats. Now, forget this question of whether

00:30:30.160 or not former President Bill Clinton was involved with a pedophile sex ring and a Democrat billionaire 0.91

00:30:36.840 donor. We need to discuss the most important political question of the day. Can mermaids be black? 0.72

00:30:45.020 This is it. I know it's the question on everybody's mind. Disney announced last week that the new

00:30:50.500 Little Mermaid, I guess they're doing a live action remake, something that no one has asked for.

00:30:57.000 The new live action remake is going to have a black Little Mermaid. And leftist Twitter exploded

00:31:04.380 with rage about the imagined racist conservative response to the black Little Mermaid.

00:31:12.960 Not to the real conservative response, which is nobody cares at all, but to the imagined conservative

00:31:18.180 response, which is that conservatives are so furious. So this, this thing was trending. Hashtag not my

00:31:22.660 aerial. And I looked, I said, oh, are there really a lot of conservatives who are upset about this

00:31:27.000 casting the black girl? No, it was all left-wingers outraged that an imaginary hypothetical conservative

00:31:36.920 was hypothetically outraged, even though in real life didn't really happen. Linda Sarsour was talking

00:31:41.300 about this. Major left-wingers. The Washington Post published a think piece. I'm using that term

00:31:46.360 ironically, called the white nostalgia fueling the Little Mermaid backlash. The uproar over a black 0.99

00:31:53.100 aerial shows the importance of representation in children's entertainment. Not much thinking going

00:32:00.500 on in the think piece. There was no backlash. There was no uproar. It was a total fiction of the left.

00:32:09.240 So that's hilarious to laugh at. We should always laugh at them getting them whipped up into a frenzy.

00:32:13.500 But what about the question itself? I'm, I'm totally willing to think about the question

00:32:18.060 critically. Should the Little Mermaid, Ariel, be rewritten as a black character? I think there's 1.00

00:32:24.860 some pretty good arguments for it. For one, they're mermaids. So mermaids are mythical creatures.

00:32:32.460 They're not, they're not real creatures. Doesn't seem like race is terribly important to a mermaid. 0.85

00:32:37.280 I've never met a mermaid in my life, but I suspect it's just as likely I would meet a black 1.00

00:32:41.920 mermaid as a white mermaid. Another reason is that it's based on a fairy tale. So fairy tales,

00:32:48.100 they tell us something about culture, but they also tell us a lot about human nature,

00:32:52.180 just universal human drives. And so in so much as fairy tales tell us about human nature,

00:32:57.840 doesn't really matter what the race of the mythical creature is. Another reason why I think it seems

00:33:03.140 perfectly fine for Ariel to be black is that the movie is being made in the United States.

00:33:07.680 And the United States is a largely, mostly creedal nation founded largely, mostly in ideas rather

00:33:14.780 than on some particular group of people or some particular ethnicity. Those are the arguments for

00:33:20.060 black Ariel. There are some actual arguments against recasting Ariel with a different race.

00:33:27.800 The first is Ariel has a race and she's Danish. The Little Mermaid is a Danish character

00:33:34.260 invented by a Danish author named Hans Christian Andersen. And the story takes place off the

00:33:40.440 coast of Denmark. So it's not that it takes place off the coast of Haiti or off the coast of Tibet.

00:33:47.460 I don't think Tibet has a coast. It doesn't take place off the coast of Japan. It takes place in

00:33:51.900 Denmark and Danish people are white and they're not black and they're not Asian and they're not Native 0.99

00:33:55.680 American. Another argument here is that Ariel is already a character. She's a character with certain

00:34:04.900 characteristics. One of which is she has red hair and she's white. This is a similar argument to the 1.00

00:34:10.660 argument against a black James Bond. Every few years you hear people talk about how Idris Elba could

00:34:18.180 be the next James Bond. In many ways he'd be a terrific James Bond. He's an excellent actor. He looks

00:34:23.880 the part. He's suave. Right. The argument against a black James Bond is not that there's anything wrong 0.66

00:34:29.800 with black people. It's that James Bond isn't black. He's a character who's British and he just isn't 1.00

00:34:35.680 black. When you think about this with other Disney movies, it becomes clearer. You wouldn't remake 0.95

00:34:40.860 Mulan with an Irish princess. You wouldn't say, oh, no, it doesn't matter. You can recast any type of 0.72

00:34:49.100 looking person and it's okay. You wouldn't remake Pocahontas with an Italian princess. That wouldn't 0.73

00:34:54.500 make sense. And so if Ariel is Danish, if Ariel has the characteristics she has, we identify her at

00:35:00.440 least by her red hair, then it doesn't make sense to change that. The left is incoherent on this point

00:35:06.860 because they want to have both sides of the argument. So the left opposes racial and cultural

00:35:11.800 appropriation. Heaven forfend, you dress up like Moana for Halloween. Heaven forfend, you wear a

00:35:20.720 sombrero on Cinco de Mayo. That would be cultural appropriation, except they support the appropriation

00:35:27.420 of white cultures. So the cultures that we would generally describe as white, they say they don't 0.98

00:35:33.520 really have any particular characteristics. They can be appropriated by anybody. The left also

00:35:39.560 Stokes, Stokes rather, racial consciousness for every single racial group. They encourage it. They

00:35:45.060 love racial consciousness. They think that it will get them a lot more votes and a lot more political

00:35:49.600 power. But then they condemn the racial consciousness of Europeans. You had at the, at that MAGA hat

00:35:59.300 wearing Covington Catholic high school kid, when he was in Washington DC, he's standing there. He was

00:36:04.440 approached by a group of black supremacists. They're a group called the Hebrew Israelites. They 0.95

00:36:08.940 viciously hate white people. They hate every group other than their own. And they have these kind of 1.00

00:36:14.760 cockamamie theories about how they are the real Jews and the Jews are some awful evil fake Jews or 0.99

00:36:20.980 something, whatever. The point is they're black supremacists. How did the mainstream media describe 1.00

00:36:26.580 them? Civil rights activists. They're not civil rights activists. Their rhetoric is exactly the same

00:36:34.960 as the Ku Klux Klan. But for black people, exactly the same. They have the same sorts of theories. 0.77

00:36:41.480 They want the same sorts of political goals. But whereas the media rightly condemns the Klan,

00:36:47.900 the media loves stoking racial consciousness and racial resentment among every other group.

00:36:53.620 The other side of this is multiculturalism. Multiculturalism seeks to distinguish every single

00:37:00.980 culture, except for most European cultures, which it sees as generic and universal. So they'll say,

00:37:07.160 no, no, no, white characters don't have any particular characteristics. Stories that have white 0.83

00:37:13.640 characters don't need to have white characters. The race doesn't matter at all. Anybody, you could

00:37:17.560 throw anybody in there. But for characters that have non-white, or stories that have non-white

00:37:22.500 characters, you could throw any race in there. This issue is really pronounced because of America.

00:37:29.080 America. So the United States is predominantly a creedal country. We were founded by settlers from

00:37:34.780 the Netherlands and from England, and to lesser degrees from France and Spain. We always were

00:37:40.580 interacting with natives, and we were importing black slaves, and America from the very beginning 0.99

00:37:45.460 has been multiracial. This is not true of other countries. What has bound America together since not 0.92

00:37:53.260 just 1776, but since 1620 are ideas? The ideas that sent the pilgrims to Plymouth and the ideas that

00:38:00.280 launched the American Revolution. The same is not true in Europe. Britain, France, Italy, Denmark are not

00:38:09.640 creedal countries. They're not countries founded on an idea. They're countries founded on people.

00:38:14.640 And there have been migratory movements over the years, and that is the story of those countries.

00:38:19.600 They're founded on people. You cannot just move to England and become English.

00:38:26.040 I'm descended from Englishmen. I can't even move to England and become English. I'm not. I'm American,

00:38:31.420 and I look a little too Italian. You can't do it. We don't recognize how special it is that people can 0.97

00:38:38.100 just sort of become Americans. It's unbelievable that you can come here and within, I don't know,

00:38:43.360 five or ten years, just be American. Even less, frankly. And ironically, it's the same leftists

00:38:49.700 who indict America as the worst, most racist place on earth. They are the ones who are most oblivious 0.95

00:38:55.140 to America's unique racial tolerance. So does anyone actually care that Disney is making Ariel Black?

00:39:02.600 No, not really. What I care about is that Hollywood has no creativity. What I care about is that the

00:39:11.280 left is totally contradictory and has complete double standards and they're total hypocrites. 0.93

00:39:17.840 I care that we are just endlessly rehashing and rewriting old stuff. And the only way, we're not 0.85

00:39:24.460 making it better. We're making it worse because whenever we rehash these things, we're just adding a new

00:39:29.580 political twist. Like we're going to do Ghostbusters, but with women, we're going to take a really, 1.00

00:39:36.420 really good movie and then just insert some aspect of our ideology into it for no reason and with no

00:39:43.840 explanation. And then won't that be good? No, it's not. And it just obviously isn't as good. It would be

00:39:49.560 very difficult to remake Ghostbusters anyway. It'd be basically impossible to remake it and have it be

00:39:55.040 as good as the original. But if you're only, if your only argument for it is, yeah, but this time

00:40:01.260 they're women. You're like, oh, all right. That's like, whatever. Okay. Who cares? Let's do The Little 1.00

00:40:06.720 Mermaid, but this time she's black. The Little Mermaid was, was good last time, I guess, as far as Disney 0.76

00:40:12.440 cartoon movies go. You, you're not going to, it's not an excuse. You just say, oh yeah, it's a man. It's a,

00:40:18.680 she's black. It's whatever. That's, that doesn't mean that you're going to have a better work of 1.00

00:40:25.500 art. What it does is it relies on the political inclinations of people and it relies on ideology

00:40:31.860 to try to make up for what is almost certainly not going to be a great movie. I mean, none of these

00:40:36.880 Disney remakes have been any good. The live action things have been awful. I sat through Beauty and the

00:40:41.520 Beast. It was pretty miserable. It's uncreative. It's unnecessarily politicized. And it's

00:40:48.500 evidence of an unserious and decadent society that can't really tell each other's stories anymore. 0.99

00:40:53.980 And speaking of stupid racial politics, this is, this is, you thought that debating whether a 1.00

00:40:59.820 mermaid can be black was stupid. NBC is now suggesting that Mitch McConnell cannot oppose 1.00

00:41:05.680 reparations or he has no credibility to, or that we ought to have reparations because

00:41:12.160 Mitch McConnell's ancestors held slaves. This was the breaking headline. Senator Mitch McConnell's

00:41:18.160 great-great-grandfathers owned 14 slaves, bringing reparations issue close to home.

00:41:25.180 Is it? Is that what it's doing? They go on. Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell,

00:41:30.280 who said recently he opposes paying government reparations to the descendants of American slaves,

00:41:35.280 has a family history deeply entwined in the issue. Two of his great-great-grandfathers were

00:41:40.580 slave owners, U.S. census records show. The details about McConnell's ancestors discovered by NBC

00:41:46.080 News through a search of ancestry and census records, came in the wake of recent hearings on

00:41:50.780 reparations before the House Judiciary Subcommittee on the Constitution, Civil Rights, and Civil Liberties.

00:41:56.100 Asked about the reparations issue, McConnell said he opposed the idea, arguing it would be hard to

00:42:02.280 figure out whom to compensate, which is obviously the case. We've been talking about that for weeks now.

00:42:07.660 Now, let's say that you are descended from both slave owners and slaves, as many people are. 0.95

00:42:13.920 Is that just a wash? Do you get reparations? Do you get reparations because you identify more with

00:42:19.540 the slave part than the slave owning part? Do you not get reparations because vice versa? What if you're

00:42:24.720 the descendant of a black slave owner, one of the earliest slave owners in America? Actually, the first 0.90

00:42:29.100 officially recognized slave owner in what became our American system of slavery was a black guy.

00:42:34.440 If you're his descendants, do you get reparations? What if he's only one of your ancestors? It's

00:42:42.380 impossible to figure out whom to compensate. But they're focusing on Mitch McConnell. Maybe they

00:42:46.880 should focus on 2020 Democratic presidential candidate Kamala Harris, who herself is descended

00:42:52.640 from a slave owner. And this is not some weird conspiracy theory. Her father wrote about this in the

00:42:58.920 Jamaica Globe and explained how, quote, my roots go back within my lifetime to my paternal grandmother,

00:43:06.360 Miss Chrissy, born Christiana Brown, descendant of Hamilton Brown, who is on record as a plantation and

00:43:12.440 slave owner and founder of Brownstown. Kamala Harris is, according to her father, the descendant of a

00:43:19.200 slave owner. Is her opinion on reparations no longer valid? Kamala Harris supports reparations. 0.93

00:43:26.440 She's descended from a slave owner. Mitch McConnell opposes reparations. He's descended from a slave

00:43:31.760 owner. Whose opinion is right based on the credibility of their ancestors? You know, the

00:43:36.340 Knowleses, George Cobb Knowles, fought for the Union to free the slaves in the Civil War. He died at the

00:43:41.700 Battle of Boynton Plank Road. I oppose reparations. I'm the only one of those three people who doesn't

00:43:48.680 descend from a slave owner. And actually, my forebears died fighting for the freedom of the

00:43:53.500 slaves. So I guess my opinion counts, right? I have the best opinion on it. Okay, good. So we're not

00:43:58.260 going to have any reparations. Of course, this is a ridiculous way to resolve political questions.

00:44:03.620 It shows the absurdity of the reparations issue. I don't care who Kamala Harris's great-great-grandfather

00:44:08.920 was. I don't care who Mitch McConnell's great-great-great-grandfather was. I sort of care

00:44:13.640 who my great-great-great-grandfather was, but only as a historical curiosity, not because I think it

00:44:18.340 means that my opinion is more worthwhile that way. This is what the left gets for giving us

00:44:23.480 tribal politics, for a politics that doesn't have anything to do with reason. It's the politics of

00:44:29.200 grievance, of oppression, of intersectionality. If I can prove that my ancestors were more historically

00:44:36.780 slighted, then everyone has to do what I say. That is an illogical, anti-reasonable point of view.

00:44:46.980 The way that self-government works is when we convince each other of things. It's when we

00:44:51.220 persuade our fellow citizens. If it's just going to be a contest of grievance and whose great-great-great-great-grandfather

00:44:57.960 washed more floors than whoever else's great-great-great-great-grandfather, we don't have much of a republic

00:45:03.540 anyway. So much more to get to, but we're out of time. I guess we'll get to it tomorrow. In the

00:45:09.740 meantime, I'm Michael Knowles. This is The Michael Knowles Show. I'll see you tomorrow.

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00:45:42.980 Hey, everybody. It's Andrew Klavan, host of The Andrew Klavan Show. Alleged crap stain Jeffrey

00:45:48.100 Epstein has been arrested again for allegedly raping and pimping allegedly underage girls 1.00

00:45:52.640 like the alleged scumbag he allegedly is. As a result, Epstein's Wikipedia entry is being 0.99

00:45:58.160 rewritten to edit out Epstein's good pal Bill Clinton, and Labor Secretary Alex Acosta is being

00:46:03.760 set up as the sole scapegoat because Acosta provides a tenuous connection between Epstein and

00:46:09.180 Donald Trump. The coverage of this story is going to reveal who among journalists and politicians

00:46:14.240 cares about the truth and who only cares about preserving Democrat power. We'll talk about it

00:46:20.300 on The Andrew Klavan Show. I'm Andrew Klavan.

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