The Michael Knowles Show - Ep. 398 - Why Do We Defend Fredo？

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00:00:30.460 In the wake of Fredo Cuomo's meltdown,

00:00:33.160 many prominent conservatives are taking CNN's side

00:00:36.180 and President Trump is furious.

00:00:38.060 We will explain two diametrically opposed approaches

00:00:41.080 to grace and politics,

00:00:43.140 and then actually another scandal

00:00:45.380 involving another CNN host,

00:00:47.860 coincidentally, that took place

00:00:49.040 at one of my favorite bars in New York.

00:00:51.300 We'll get into that.

00:00:52.200 Then, President Trump signals an eagerness

00:00:54.100 to pass new gun control laws.

00:00:56.640 A prominent evangelical musician

00:00:58.280 loses his faith

00:00:59.120 and more lurid details emerge

00:01:01.060 in the never-ending Jeffrey Epstein saga.

00:01:03.920 I'm Michael Knowles,

00:01:04.620 and this is The Michael Knowles Show.

00:01:12.620 So, Fredo goes unhinged.

00:01:15.720 Chris Cuomo of CNN fame

00:01:17.940 and Cuomo family democratic politics fame.

00:01:20.660 All of the conservatives make fun of them.

00:01:23.320 You know, I made fun of them.

00:01:25.200 I'm still making fun of them.

00:01:26.480 I spent basically 10 hours on Twitter

00:01:28.100 just making fun of them.

00:01:29.020 A lot of conservatives were going after Chris Cuomo.

00:01:31.280 I did point out, I said,

00:01:32.520 I don't want public figures to be accosted

00:01:35.540 just for expressing their viewpoint.

00:01:37.340 That's not a good precedent.

00:01:38.600 But, nevertheless,

00:01:39.640 this was a hilarious interaction.

00:01:42.480 On the right,

00:01:43.380 one of the biggest Trump defenders on the right,

00:01:45.940 Sean Hannity,

00:01:46.640 went on his Fox show

00:01:47.840 and gave not just a kind of both sides,

00:01:51.220 yeah, it's hilarious,

00:01:51.840 but, you know, look,

00:01:53.500 maybe we shouldn't encourage this.

00:01:54.600 He gave a full-throated defense

00:01:56.840 of CNN's Chris Cuomo.

00:01:58.760 Here's Sean Hannity.

00:02:00.000 This video surfaced

00:02:01.100 showing a pretty tense altercation

00:02:02.660 between Chris Cuomo, CNN,

00:02:04.600 and another man

00:02:05.520 who was lobbing insults.

00:02:07.360 He started it,

00:02:08.420 got in Cuomo's face,

00:02:09.520 and by the way,

00:02:10.160 his nine-year-old daughter

00:02:11.320 and wife were there.

00:02:12.520 Last night on Twitter,

00:02:13.200 I defended Cuomo.

00:02:14.700 He did not start this

00:02:15.740 because I don't support

00:02:17.340 harassment of any public figure,

00:02:19.520 especially in front of their children

00:02:21.240 and their family and their wife.

00:02:23.380 No person in this country

00:02:24.520 should be taunted

00:02:25.340 because of their political beliefs

00:02:26.900 or opinions.

00:02:28.180 And with that said,

00:02:29.680 Fredo was designed to be an insult,

00:02:31.900 meaning, in other words,

00:02:32.860 Fredo, the Corleone family,

00:02:34.980 I wanted this for Michael.

00:02:36.520 I never wanted this for anybody else.

00:02:39.880 Okay, it was an insult.

00:02:41.080 He was like the dumb brother in the show.

00:02:42.500 So he's insulting Chris Cuomo.

00:02:44.560 And Chris has a right

00:02:45.640 to defend himself.

00:02:47.320 And let's not be phony here.

00:02:49.820 Everybody,

00:02:50.720 we've all heard those words before.

00:02:52.800 We've watched YouTube

00:02:53.880 and anyone feigning outrage

00:02:55.740 like, oh, your precious ears

00:02:57.380 never heard these words before.

00:02:59.160 Frankly, you're probably full of it.

00:03:00.740 Or if you act offended,

00:03:02.000 you're just acting like a liberal

00:03:03.140 that are offended by everything.

00:03:04.740 All right.

00:03:05.180 So that's as full-throated

00:03:06.400 a defense as it gets.

00:03:07.360 When he was on Twitter,

00:03:08.160 Sean Hannity said, quote,

00:03:09.520 good for Cuomo.

00:03:11.120 Good for Chris Cuomo

00:03:12.120 for fighting back.

00:03:14.560 President Trump

00:03:15.280 didn't like that very much.

00:03:16.440 And we know that

00:03:17.200 President Trump

00:03:17.900 and Sean Hannity

00:03:18.540 have a relationship

00:03:19.420 and he's brought Hannity

00:03:20.420 on stage to stump for him

00:03:21.680 and he watches Hannity's show.

00:03:23.180 He didn't like that very much.

00:03:24.540 Here's what President Trump

00:03:25.380 tweeted out.

00:03:25.920 He said, quote,

00:03:26.520 it always happens

00:03:28.400 when a conservative does

00:03:30.180 even a fraction

00:03:31.140 of what Chris Cuomo did

00:03:33.000 with his lunatic ranting,

00:03:34.720 raving, and cursing.

00:03:35.800 They get destroyed

00:03:36.900 by the fake news.

00:03:38.080 But when a liberal Democrat

00:03:39.440 like Chris Cuomo does it,

00:03:41.380 Republicans immediately

00:03:42.460 come to his defense.

00:03:44.240 We never learn.

00:03:46.660 Now, he might have been pointing

00:03:48.220 at other conservative figures,

00:03:49.540 but I think President Trump

00:03:50.460 was aiming this

00:03:51.320 almost squarely

00:03:52.440 at Sean Hannity.

00:03:54.140 So what do we make of this?

00:03:57.680 Who wins here?

00:03:58.920 Who's correct?

00:03:59.920 The Hannity approach,

00:04:01.160 defend Chris Cuomo completely,

00:04:03.280 no mocking Chris Cuomo,

00:04:05.740 no just total defense of him,

00:04:07.060 or this Trump approach

00:04:08.800 of go for the jugular

00:04:10.340 because what President Trump did

00:04:12.520 as a result of this Cuomo video,

00:04:15.760 he didn't say,

00:04:16.500 look, Cuomo, he's an okay guy.

00:04:17.880 Hey, we shouldn't do this.

00:04:19.120 No, instead,

00:04:20.280 he started selling T-shirts

00:04:21.920 on his campaign website.

00:04:24.880 It's a Fredo unhinged,

00:04:26.760 and it's these black and white

00:04:28.460 zoom-ins on Chris Cuomo's face

00:04:30.500 from the video,

00:04:31.080 and it says,

00:04:31.880 text Fredo to 88022.

00:04:34.920 I assume this is a way

00:04:36.620 to sign up for the Trump campaign.

00:04:39.160 He's selling it for 34 bucks.

00:04:40.480 By the way,

00:04:41.080 if you're ever curious

00:04:41.920 what I want for Christmas

00:04:42.900 or for my birthday,

00:04:44.620 that is the T-shirt.

00:04:46.380 So he establishes the principle,

00:04:49.380 and Trump is completely right

00:04:50.320 about this general rule in politics.

00:04:53.480 The left goes for the jugular,

00:04:55.560 and we play by the Marquess

00:04:57.260 of Queensbury rules.

00:04:58.840 The left is engaged

00:05:00.800 in a dirty, rotten street fight

00:05:02.740 where there are no rules,

00:05:04.120 and we're engaged

00:05:05.400 in a very sophisticated boxing match.

00:05:09.540 And Trump says,

00:05:10.460 enough of this.

00:05:11.020 We shouldn't do that.

00:05:12.480 And he sells this T-shirt.

00:05:14.740 I think Trump gets this

00:05:17.080 basically right,

00:05:18.520 to a point.

00:05:20.140 I don't care that Chris Cuomo

00:05:21.820 yelled at that guy.

00:05:23.380 I want to live in a society

00:05:25.000 that is defined by grace,

00:05:26.900 where we don't just go out

00:05:29.360 and harass every public figure,

00:05:30.840 where a public figure

00:05:31.660 can go out with his family

00:05:32.700 and have a couple drinks

00:05:33.780 and maybe lose his temper

00:05:35.480 a little bit

00:05:36.040 and have it not be

00:05:37.060 the end of the world.

00:05:37.900 I want to live in that society.

00:05:39.320 That's the human

00:05:39.960 and better society.

00:05:41.940 But the left won't operate

00:05:43.420 in that society.

00:05:45.280 We would do it.

00:05:46.620 The right always wants to do it.

00:05:47.860 We've been doing it

00:05:48.620 even in this Chris Cuomo scandal,

00:05:51.820 even all the way up

00:05:53.060 to Sean Hannity,

00:05:53.760 who has one of the biggest

00:05:54.400 programs on cable.

00:05:55.640 But the left doesn't do it.

00:05:57.340 There are whole organizations

00:05:58.760 on the left

00:05:59.460 that exist

00:06:00.420 to get right-wing

00:06:01.860 media personalities fired.

00:06:04.400 Whole organizations

00:06:05.500 that exist to get

00:06:06.480 Hannity and Tucker

00:06:08.640 and Laura Ingram

00:06:09.900 and Ben and Drew

00:06:11.220 and me fired.

00:06:12.280 Just last week,

00:06:12.980 Media Matters took a shot

00:06:14.340 at all of us here

00:06:14.940 at the Daily Wire.

00:06:16.040 They called us a cesspool

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00:06:18.100 and they tried to get us

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00:06:20.040 and they did it

00:06:20.500 by trying to organize

00:06:21.280 advertiser boycotts

00:06:22.820 to kick us out of our jobs.

00:06:25.580 The right doesn't even

00:06:26.340 have those organizations.

00:06:28.600 But the left hates us

00:06:29.540 so much

00:06:30.400 that they won't even,

00:06:32.200 forget the politicians,

00:06:33.400 they won't even let

00:06:34.200 the commentators speak.

00:06:36.060 They so have no arguments

00:06:37.820 to respond to us.

00:06:39.780 They have so little to say.

00:06:41.420 They're so afraid

00:06:42.020 of what we're going to say

00:06:42.840 that they go after us.

00:06:44.540 The commentators.

00:06:46.280 Just last week,

00:06:47.200 the New York Times,

00:06:48.380 the gray lady,

00:06:49.400 blamed us for mass shootings.

00:06:52.160 The New York Times,

00:06:52.740 here's the headline.

00:06:53.880 Quote,

00:06:54.440 how the El Paso killer

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00:07:00.740 The alternate headline,

00:07:01.660 how the El Paso gunman

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00:07:08.960 What are we supposed to do?

00:07:10.180 What does this mean

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00:07:12.840 coming out of CNN

00:07:13.680 that coincidentally took place

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00:08:51.600 So you've got

00:08:52.300 the New York Times even

00:08:53.480 blaming not the politicians

00:08:55.520 but conservative commentators

00:08:57.680 for mass shootings

00:09:00.160 that were perpetrated,

00:09:02.020 by the way,

00:09:02.420 one by an eco-fascist

00:09:03.640 and another by an avowed leftist

00:09:05.140 who supports Elizabeth Warren.

00:09:08.100 I mean,

00:09:08.320 that's the lengths

00:09:08.940 they're willing to go to.

00:09:11.240 And yet,

00:09:11.840 we're really nice

00:09:12.540 to Chris Cuomo.

00:09:13.360 We're really nice

00:09:13.940 to the left-wing commentators.

00:09:16.040 They can't answer

00:09:16.900 our arguments.

00:09:17.620 They're afraid

00:09:18.000 of what we're going to say.

00:09:19.040 They try to get us fired.

00:09:21.240 And then we point out

00:09:22.340 that we actually don't care

00:09:23.460 if Chris Cuomo

00:09:24.300 loses his temper

00:09:25.080 after a couple Coca-Colas

00:09:26.300 out with his family

00:09:27.100 at a beer garden.

00:09:27.740 President Trump

00:09:29.740 completely has a point

00:09:30.800 on this.

00:09:32.100 Now,

00:09:32.480 I disagree in so much

00:09:33.780 as I think the way

00:09:34.580 we should handle this

00:09:35.520 is we should

00:09:36.920 still state the principle.

00:09:39.320 We should go out there

00:09:40.160 and say,

00:09:40.480 look,

00:09:40.580 I don't care.

00:09:41.600 I don't care if Chris Cuomo

00:09:42.880 goes out and wants

00:09:43.580 to have a couple drinks.

00:09:44.420 But we live in this

00:09:45.160 graceless society

00:09:46.020 and you're going to get

00:09:46.880 one of ours

00:09:47.300 and we're going to get

00:09:47.840 one of yours.

00:09:49.440 And then we should

00:09:50.440 organize advertiser boycotts

00:09:52.340 and get Chris Cuomo fired.

00:09:53.980 Not because I want to.

00:09:55.400 Not because what Chris Cuomo did

00:09:57.500 merits him getting fired

00:09:59.080 but because they do it to us

00:10:00.740 and we cannot unilaterally disarm.

00:10:02.740 There's nothing good

00:10:03.400 or moral or virtuous

00:10:04.620 about unilaterally disarming

00:10:06.420 and letting the left

00:10:07.060 destroy our entire culture

00:10:08.220 and our politics.

00:10:09.400 There's nothing good about that.

00:10:10.480 There's nothing moral about that.

00:10:12.980 We should go out there.

00:10:14.460 We should wear our

00:10:15.100 Fredo unhinged t-shirts.

00:10:16.820 We should make it

00:10:17.540 so miserable for CNN

00:10:19.280 that maybe,

00:10:20.620 maybe,

00:10:21.300 just maybe,

00:10:22.140 they reconsider their actions.

00:10:23.560 And in that spirit,

00:10:25.260 we should turn to

00:10:26.060 another scandal

00:10:27.100 also involving CNN,

00:10:28.800 involving another CNN host,

00:10:30.560 Don Lemon.

00:10:31.140 This one

00:10:31.600 has a really personal

00:10:33.360 resonance to me

00:10:34.200 because it took place

00:10:35.380 at one of my favorite bars

00:10:36.920 in New York,

00:10:38.380 Murph's Backstreet Tavern

00:10:40.040 in Sag Harbor, New York.

00:10:41.820 So this is being reported

00:10:43.080 that there was an incident

00:10:44.960 at a bar

00:10:45.580 involving Don Lemon

00:10:46.580 at a New York bar.

00:10:47.860 It's not really

00:10:48.340 a New York bar

00:10:49.160 like the city.

00:10:49.980 It's actually like

00:10:50.520 three hours outside the city.

00:10:52.100 It's out in the Hamptons,

00:10:53.480 which is this ritzy part of town,

00:10:55.420 ritzy part of Long Island

00:10:56.420 where the beautiful people

00:10:58.140 all go out,

00:10:58.780 you know,

00:10:59.040 like the Kardashians

00:11:00.840 are in Southampton,

00:11:01.820 that kind of thing.

00:11:02.540 It's a ritzy place

00:11:03.260 that New Yorkers go

00:11:04.040 for the summer.

00:11:04.880 Even though the beaches

00:11:05.460 aren't actually that nice,

00:11:06.940 it's close enough

00:11:07.620 and people take the train

00:11:08.400 out or the Jitney

00:11:09.040 and they go out there.

00:11:10.580 So all the bars

00:11:12.060 are way overpriced

00:11:13.000 and they're not very fun

00:11:13.900 and there just aren't

00:11:14.780 a lot of great spots

00:11:15.780 out there,

00:11:16.800 except for Murph's.

00:11:18.000 Murph's is this great

00:11:19.440 dive bar

00:11:20.280 in Sag Harbor,

00:11:21.300 which is the best town

00:11:22.080 in the entire Hamptons.

00:11:23.240 It's the last like

00:11:24.060 truly patriotic

00:11:25.260 old whaling town.

00:11:27.000 It's mentioned in Moby Dick.

00:11:28.180 It's just a great spot,

00:11:29.460 great bar,

00:11:30.280 but I mentioned

00:11:31.380 that it's like

00:11:32.040 a true dive bar

00:11:32.920 because people get

00:11:34.340 real drunk

00:11:36.200 at Murph's.

00:11:37.840 I've spent a number

00:11:39.180 of nights at Murph's

00:11:40.160 and it's like a real,

00:11:41.320 it's not one of these

00:11:41.940 fancy frou-frou,

00:11:43.100 like you're going to order

00:11:43.760 a Sex on the Beach

00:11:46.440 or a,

00:11:47.040 you know,

00:11:47.400 I don't know,

00:11:48.220 a Cosmo or something.

00:11:49.480 It's like a place

00:11:50.180 where you drink beer

00:11:51.100 and, you know,

00:11:52.020 you'll have a couple shots

00:11:53.120 or something.

00:11:54.020 And so,

00:11:54.800 anyway,

00:11:55.220 this is what happens.

00:11:56.220 There's a guy suing

00:11:57.440 Don Lemon

00:11:58.260 for emotional pain

00:12:00.520 and suffering.

00:12:02.560 And why is that?

00:12:03.900 And also for damages.

00:12:05.380 He says he can barely

00:12:06.060 work anymore.

00:12:08.460 What happened was

00:12:09.500 they're at Murph's

00:12:10.200 one night

00:12:10.640 and this guy,

00:12:12.740 Dustin Heiss,

00:12:14.120 is a bartender

00:12:14.980 at a different bar

00:12:15.720 in the Hamptons.

00:12:17.200 And he sees Don Lemon

00:12:18.200 at Murph's.

00:12:18.780 Murph's is a really tiny bar.

00:12:20.060 I mean,

00:12:20.240 it's like the size

00:12:21.160 of my studio

00:12:21.740 or smaller

00:12:22.340 and you know

00:12:22.780 that I broadcast

00:12:23.320 from a broom closet.

00:12:24.880 So it's this tiny bar

00:12:26.100 and he sees Don Lemon

00:12:26.820 across the way

00:12:27.420 and he tries to get

00:12:28.320 Don Lemon's attention

00:12:29.080 and Don Lemon

00:12:31.000 doesn't pay him

00:12:31.460 any attention

00:12:31.880 and then he tries

00:12:33.640 to buy Don Lemon

00:12:34.320 a drink

00:12:34.740 and Don Lemon says,

00:12:35.640 oh no,

00:12:35.960 thank you,

00:12:36.340 I'm just going to be

00:12:36.800 over here with my friends.

00:12:39.720 Fast forward

00:12:40.340 to the end of the night.

00:12:41.900 Everyone's had

00:12:42.380 a couple adult beverages,

00:12:43.680 a few Coca-Colas

00:12:44.440 at this point

00:12:45.100 and this is allegedly

00:12:46.240 what happens.

00:12:49.300 Lemon,

00:12:49.980 quote,

00:12:51.100 put his hand

00:12:52.200 down the front

00:12:52.960 of his own shorts

00:12:53.940 and vigorously

00:12:55.160 rubbed his genitalia,

00:12:56.920 removed his hand

00:12:57.700 and shoved his index

00:12:58.680 and middle fingers

00:12:59.340 in the plaintiff's mustache

00:13:00.640 and under the plaintiff's nose

00:13:02.800 and asked,

00:13:03.840 do you like,

00:13:05.100 and then I'll substitute

00:13:05.840 the words,

00:13:07.140 female genitalia

00:13:08.340 or male genitalia?

00:13:10.800 And then they all

00:13:11.780 sort of laugh

00:13:12.420 and Don Lemon leaves.

00:13:14.760 So,

00:13:15.600 as a result

00:13:16.940 of this alleged incident,

00:13:18.120 the guy is demanding

00:13:18.940 one and a half million dollars

00:13:20.120 from Don Lemon

00:13:20.760 not to sue.

00:13:22.080 He said,

00:13:22.340 I'm going to sue

00:13:22.880 if you don't give me

00:13:23.500 a million and a half bucks.

00:13:25.420 I've been in,

00:13:26.100 I mean,

00:13:26.300 that's a pretty bad altercation

00:13:27.520 if it happened.

00:13:28.240 I don't,

00:13:28.600 I certainly wouldn't

00:13:29.240 have enjoyed that,

00:13:30.440 but I've been in some bars

00:13:32.080 where,

00:13:32.620 you know,

00:13:32.980 bar fights are going on,

00:13:34.300 people are getting

00:13:34.820 kind of nasty

00:13:35.440 with each other

00:13:36.000 and I've never been

00:13:37.800 in a situation

00:13:38.480 where I felt

00:13:39.540 I was owed

00:13:40.240 one and a half million dollars

00:13:41.720 for something

00:13:42.940 that happened

00:13:43.320 to me in a bar.

00:13:44.780 I don't know,

00:13:44.980 if someone like

00:13:45.520 amputated my leg

00:13:46.940 or something,

00:13:47.440 maybe I could sue

00:13:48.080 for a million and a half dollars

00:13:49.160 but some guy gets

00:13:50.240 ugly with you,

00:13:52.000 I don't know about that.

00:13:53.260 So,

00:13:54.600 Don Lemon refuses,

00:13:55.360 he said he didn't do

00:13:56.100 anything wrong,

00:13:56.780 now the guy is suing.

00:13:58.420 Did it happen?

00:13:59.660 I don't know,

00:14:00.480 maybe it did.

00:14:01.560 Don Lemon's kind of a jerk

00:14:02.540 it seems like

00:14:03.260 and people get

00:14:04.840 extremely drunk

00:14:05.900 at that bar,

00:14:06.520 so maybe.

00:14:07.800 On the other hand,

00:14:08.480 it also kind of sounds

00:14:09.140 like the guy's extorting

00:14:10.020 Don Lemon.

00:14:11.360 We've heard of plenty

00:14:12.340 of fake sex scandals

00:14:14.080 over the past

00:14:14.820 ten years,

00:14:15.920 especially involving

00:14:16.620 media figures.

00:14:17.840 Plenty of overblown ones,

00:14:18.920 plenty of attempts

00:14:19.700 to extort

00:14:20.300 a wealthy guy.

00:14:22.400 So maybe it did,

00:14:23.200 maybe it didn't,

00:14:23.620 I don't know.

00:14:25.360 But that's the

00:14:26.120 conservative reaction,

00:14:27.220 right?

00:14:27.480 My reaction is

00:14:28.540 the conservative reaction.

00:14:29.940 Measured,

00:14:30.460 fair,

00:14:31.140 you know,

00:14:31.400 maybe it happened,

00:14:31.960 maybe it didn't,

00:14:32.360 I'm going to reserve judgment.

00:14:34.540 Imagine

00:14:34.980 if there were

00:14:36.180 a lawsuit like this

00:14:37.400 against Fox News,

00:14:38.600 against Bill O'Reilly.

00:14:40.940 There was.

00:14:41.820 There was a lawsuit

00:14:42.620 against Bill O'Reilly.

00:14:43.600 He was gone in two seconds.

00:14:45.320 Gone like that.

00:14:48.200 Imagine if there were

00:14:49.120 a lawsuit like this

00:14:50.100 that Sean Hannity

00:14:51.760 or Tucker Carlson

00:14:53.100 went into a bar

00:14:54.420 in the Hamptons

00:14:55.280 or wherever

00:14:55.860 and did that

00:14:58.060 to himself

00:14:58.720 and then took his hand

00:14:59.540 out of his pants

00:15:00.200 and put it

00:15:00.940 in a woman's face.

00:15:04.280 Imagine,

00:15:04.820 because Don Lemon

00:15:05.420 is gay.

00:15:06.180 Let's say it happened

00:15:06.860 to a straight guy,

00:15:08.080 Hannity or Carlson,

00:15:09.040 did it in a woman's face.

00:15:10.620 Could you,

00:15:11.080 not only would they be

00:15:12.500 immediately kicked off

00:15:13.700 of the air,

00:15:14.660 they would be,

00:15:15.720 there would be

00:15:16.100 criminal penalties.

00:15:17.280 I mean,

00:15:17.420 there would be a true

00:15:18.420 mob outside of their door

00:15:20.240 trying to make them pay.

00:15:23.040 Imagine if it were

00:15:23.780 against us,

00:15:24.360 imagine if there were

00:15:25.320 some lawsuit against us.

00:15:26.500 I don't know,

00:15:26.760 I go to Murphs sometimes too.

00:15:28.220 Maybe some guy got angry

00:15:29.100 at me at Murphs.

00:15:32.160 It would be over.

00:15:33.120 There wouldn't be

00:15:33.520 a question about it.

00:15:34.340 The left would demand

00:15:35.540 our heads.

00:15:36.820 They would call our advertisers

00:15:37.900 every single day

00:15:38.640 and this is the ugly

00:15:39.500 fact about politics.

00:15:41.160 The left and the right

00:15:42.240 are playing by

00:15:43.000 completely different rules

00:15:44.360 and President Trump

00:15:45.380 shows us

00:15:46.180 a little bit

00:15:47.220 how we should

00:15:48.480 react to that,

00:15:49.700 what we should do

00:15:50.740 moving forward.

00:15:51.960 We will examine

00:15:52.640 the only choice

00:15:53.160 that we have.

00:15:53.660 Then we'll get to

00:15:54.200 gun control.

00:15:55.180 We'll get to

00:15:55.720 an evangelical leader

00:15:57.000 losing his faith.

00:15:58.440 We will get to

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00:15:59.780 but first we've got to

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00:16:16.060 and we don't want

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00:17:41.040 So,

00:17:41.720 this is the ugly fact

00:17:43.520 about our politics

00:17:44.280 is that the left

00:17:44.940 and the right

00:17:45.300 are playing by

00:17:45.840 two different rules

00:17:46.880 other than Trump.

00:17:49.900 Because Trump

00:17:50.460 isn't really on the right

00:17:51.280 or the left,

00:17:51.780 is he?

00:17:52.040 I mean,

00:17:52.240 he's been very

00:17:52.960 conservative as president.

00:17:54.320 He's been one of the

00:17:55.080 most conservative presidents

00:17:56.160 probably in American history.

00:17:57.980 But throughout his career,

00:17:59.100 it's not like he was

00:17:59.720 some rigid right winger.

00:18:01.340 He was donating to Hillary

00:18:02.420 and Pelosi

00:18:03.020 and playing both sides

00:18:04.240 of the aisle.

00:18:05.020 He said he was

00:18:05.500 a New York Republican

00:18:06.540 or a New York Independent

00:18:07.600 or he was pro-choice.

00:18:09.880 Now he's like

00:18:10.400 very pro-life.

00:18:11.880 He's a not originally

00:18:13.160 ideological guy

00:18:14.340 and I think this has helped him

00:18:15.820 because he gets down

00:18:17.120 in the mud.

00:18:18.080 He's a New Yorker.

00:18:18.980 You know,

00:18:19.380 Chris Cuomo on that tape

00:18:20.660 is screaming,

00:18:21.160 I'm going to throw you

00:18:21.760 down the effing stairs.

00:18:23.320 That is a little bit

00:18:24.080 of a New Yorker reaction

00:18:25.180 and Trump kind of

00:18:25.880 has that reaction too.

00:18:27.740 So what does Trump do?

00:18:28.960 He doesn't scream at people

00:18:30.060 like a maniac

00:18:30.640 on a hidden camera,

00:18:31.800 but he'll tweet out

00:18:33.120 unsubstantiated rumors

00:18:34.360 about his political opponents.

00:18:36.580 I mean,

00:18:36.800 he tweeted out

00:18:37.340 the Clinton body count

00:18:38.300 the other day

00:18:38.960 and it was hilarious.

00:18:40.320 It was really funny.

00:18:41.180 It was one of the best

00:18:41.920 moments on Twitter.

00:18:43.100 During the 2016 campaign,

00:18:45.300 President Trump

00:18:45.920 actually promoted

00:18:47.200 a rumor

00:18:47.680 that Ted Cruz's father

00:18:49.640 murdered President Kennedy.

00:18:52.780 Like,

00:18:53.500 I'm not defending

00:18:54.860 that per se.

00:18:56.120 I'm just saying

00:18:57.260 it's a distinction

00:18:58.820 between how Trump fights

00:19:00.100 and how the right

00:19:01.560 traditionally fights.

00:19:02.980 I wish that we lived

00:19:03.960 in a gracious society

00:19:05.460 where we all played

00:19:06.400 by the Marquess of

00:19:07.060 Queensbury rules.

00:19:08.560 But in a world

00:19:09.400 where the left

00:19:10.060 fights dirty

00:19:10.920 and unfair

00:19:11.600 and cheap

00:19:12.200 and awful

00:19:12.700 and they get a lot

00:19:13.800 of cultural victories

00:19:14.960 because of that,

00:19:15.900 it is refreshing

00:19:17.040 that we have a guy

00:19:18.480 who's willing to get down

00:19:19.540 in the muck

00:19:20.020 with them,

00:19:21.180 especially because

00:19:21.760 we don't want to.

00:19:22.500 I don't want to get down

00:19:23.200 in the muck like that.

00:19:24.560 So if President Trump

00:19:25.380 is willing to do it,

00:19:26.060 I'm really glad.

00:19:26.700 He's the kind of guy

00:19:27.180 who prints t-shirts

00:19:27.840 that say,

00:19:29.020 Fredo unhinged.

00:19:30.180 It's not nice,

00:19:31.220 but that is why

00:19:31.940 we elected him.

00:19:32.580 It's why we had

00:19:33.160 to elect him.

00:19:33.740 And by the way,

00:19:35.660 if the left

00:19:36.120 doesn't want us

00:19:37.040 to elect him again,

00:19:38.560 then cut it out.

00:19:40.020 There's an easy way

00:19:40.980 for us to not have

00:19:42.020 to have more Trumps

00:19:42.740 in the future.

00:19:43.500 At this point,

00:19:44.120 I'm perfectly willing

00:19:44.860 to give Trump

00:19:45.460 like a third,

00:19:46.480 fourth,

00:19:46.900 fifth,

00:19:47.700 sixth,

00:19:48.420 tenth term in office.

00:19:49.700 He's going to be

00:19:50.260 150 years old

00:19:51.340 by the time he leaves

00:19:52.040 and then I'm going

00:19:52.420 to give it to Baron Trump.

00:19:53.560 I mean,

00:19:53.780 I am really happy

00:19:55.220 with generally

00:19:56.140 how things are going

00:19:56.840 in the country.

00:19:57.840 If the left

00:19:58.480 doesn't want us

00:19:59.160 to keep up

00:19:59.600 these tactics,

00:20:00.740 which are the same

00:20:01.400 tactics of the left,

00:20:02.160 then they've got

00:20:02.640 to cut it out

00:20:03.200 because we are not

00:20:04.260 going to unilaterally

00:20:05.160 disarm.

00:20:05.860 That is nonsense.

00:20:07.280 There is nothing

00:20:07.880 virtuous about that.

00:20:09.000 There's nothing

00:20:09.520 moral about that.

00:20:10.460 They need to stop

00:20:11.140 trying to get

00:20:11.560 all our shows canceled.

00:20:12.660 They need to stop

00:20:13.220 pouncing on every

00:20:13.980 non-traversy.

00:20:14.860 They need to do this

00:20:15.640 three times in a row

00:20:16.660 because I'm not going

00:20:18.080 to believe it

00:20:18.460 the first time

00:20:18.960 they let it go.

00:20:19.980 If they did it once,

00:20:20.980 that would be nice.

00:20:22.720 Three times in a row.

00:20:24.380 There needs to be

00:20:25.240 some kind of non-traversy

00:20:26.520 and they need to be

00:20:27.260 gracious about it.

00:20:28.360 And they need to not

00:20:28.940 try to get our guys

00:20:29.960 thrown out of office

00:20:30.660 and they need to not

00:20:31.240 try to get our shows

00:20:31.980 canceled over nothing.

00:20:34.620 They can still fight fair,

00:20:36.140 but they need to stop

00:20:36.900 fighting on fair

00:20:37.620 three times in a row.

00:20:38.900 Then we can back off.

00:20:40.220 If they extend us grace

00:20:41.300 three times in a row.

00:20:43.460 At the highest levels,

00:20:44.520 I'm not even talking

00:20:45.100 about the random

00:20:45.580 Twitter accounts.

00:20:46.340 Just I want their

00:20:47.460 presidential candidates

00:20:48.280 not to call half the country

00:20:49.520 white supremacist

00:20:50.420 three times in a row.

00:20:52.120 I want the New York Times

00:20:53.240 to not blame me

00:20:54.320 for the mass shooting

00:20:55.260 in El Paso

00:20:56.580 and Dayton, Ohio,

00:20:57.920 which was by

00:20:58.300 a Liz Warren supporter.

00:20:59.160 They do that

00:21:01.420 three times in a row.

00:21:02.580 We're good.

00:21:03.020 Until then,

00:21:03.420 it's game on.

00:21:04.180 What other choice

00:21:05.940 do we have?

00:21:08.000 Speaking of President Trump,

00:21:10.000 we're talking about

00:21:10.540 all the great aspects

00:21:11.540 of President Trump.

00:21:12.240 We need to talk about

00:21:12.860 something that's not so great

00:21:13.960 that's a little dangerous.

00:21:16.020 That is President Trump

00:21:17.560 on gun control.

00:21:19.260 So President Trump

00:21:20.800 has signaled

00:21:21.700 after those shootings

00:21:22.660 a couple weeks ago,

00:21:23.580 he signaled

00:21:24.400 that he wanted

00:21:25.400 certain kinds

00:21:26.600 of gun control.

00:21:27.240 He was very careful

00:21:28.220 about how he was

00:21:28.820 talking about it,

00:21:29.680 but he still signaled

00:21:30.640 he wanted more

00:21:31.260 gun regulation.

00:21:32.280 We've seen him

00:21:32.760 do this before.

00:21:33.720 He passed a gun regulation

00:21:34.740 after the Las Vegas shooting,

00:21:36.400 which was to ban

00:21:37.560 what's that thing called?

00:21:40.000 The instrument

00:21:42.000 that lets you fire

00:21:42.900 a semi-automatic gun

00:21:44.580 and make it look

00:21:45.060 as though it's

00:21:45.400 an automatic gun.

00:21:46.480 Bump stock,

00:21:47.000 bump stock.

00:21:47.660 So he banned bump stocks,

00:21:49.400 which was completely pointless.

00:21:50.460 It's not going to save

00:21:51.240 any lives.

00:21:52.180 It is a rounding error.

00:21:54.120 It's nothing,

00:21:55.100 but it's a virtue signal.

00:21:57.240 Forget the fact

00:21:57.900 that the vast majority

00:21:59.760 of people

00:22:00.100 who are killed

00:22:00.620 with guns in this country

00:22:01.880 are killed by handguns,

00:22:04.280 not by AR-15s,

00:22:06.260 not by any other guns,

00:22:07.140 and certainly not

00:22:07.660 by bump stocks.

00:22:08.780 He still banned them,

00:22:10.260 I think,

00:22:10.980 sort of pointlessly.

00:22:12.500 Now the New York Times

00:22:13.600 is reporting,

00:22:14.240 so take it with a grain of salt,

00:22:15.280 that President Trump

00:22:15.940 is considering

00:22:16.700 more gun control.

00:22:17.620 They write,

00:22:18.180 quote,

00:22:18.420 Mr. Trump on Sunday

00:22:19.600 telephoned Senator

00:22:20.500 Chris S. Murphy,

00:22:22.360 a Democrat

00:22:22.900 who has been

00:22:23.440 one of the leading voices

00:22:24.320 in Congress

00:22:24.840 for gun control,

00:22:25.560 an indication

00:22:26.400 that the President

00:22:27.040 is interested

00:22:27.780 in pursuing legislation.

00:22:29.700 Earlier in the week,

00:22:30.720 Mr. Murphy

00:22:31.320 had contacted

00:22:32.120 the White House

00:22:32.840 to indicate

00:22:33.340 that he was willing

00:22:34.000 to work with Mr. Trump

00:22:35.040 on the issue,

00:22:35.960 which prompted the call.

00:22:37.340 The conversation

00:22:37.820 was positive

00:22:38.560 with Mr. Trump

00:22:39.240 indicating that he

00:22:39.940 was serious

00:22:40.500 about persuading

00:22:41.220 Republicans to act

00:22:42.340 according to officials

00:22:43.840 familiar with their

00:22:45.440 discussion.

00:22:48.140 Bad idea.

00:22:50.120 It's just a bad idea.

00:22:51.220 there is no gun control

00:22:53.900 law that would have

00:22:54.740 prevented the shooting.

00:22:55.960 Not the shooting

00:22:56.520 in El Paso,

00:22:57.360 not the shooting

00:22:58.040 in Ohio,

00:22:59.100 not the many,

00:23:00.040 many, many,

00:23:00.640 many more shootings

00:23:01.740 that are not talked

00:23:03.720 about in the mainstream

00:23:04.440 media.

00:23:06.080 Not all the shootings

00:23:07.020 in Chicago,

00:23:08.300 not all the shootings

00:23:09.880 all around the country,

00:23:10.860 not the gang violence,

00:23:11.860 not the drug violence,

00:23:12.840 not the suicide,

00:23:13.880 which is the most,

00:23:15.000 that's the majority

00:23:15.720 of gun deaths.

00:23:17.200 It won't stop

00:23:18.180 any of that.

00:23:19.140 It will just take away

00:23:20.640 our liberties

00:23:21.300 for no reason

00:23:22.640 other than to empower

00:23:24.200 the left

00:23:25.140 and to empower

00:23:26.140 the government,

00:23:27.500 which in the long run

00:23:28.860 is the left.

00:23:31.300 And the left

00:23:32.180 is the government

00:23:32.800 in the long run.

00:23:34.540 A very bad idea.

00:23:35.680 It's just emotional.

00:23:36.700 I mean,

00:23:37.080 the New York Post

00:23:37.820 had that awful editorial

00:23:38.980 a couple weeks ago.

00:23:39.720 It said,

00:23:39.880 we need to ban

00:23:40.360 assault weapons.

00:23:41.420 Even though we can't

00:23:42.700 define assault weapons,

00:23:43.920 we need to ban them.

00:23:45.420 And not just the

00:23:45.960 cosmetic features,

00:23:46.980 but the different,

00:23:48.600 the features that really

00:23:49.620 differentiate assault weapons

00:23:51.180 from other rifles,

00:23:52.020 even though there aren't

00:23:52.600 any features

00:23:53.080 that substantively

00:23:54.880 differentiate assault weapons,

00:23:56.340 quote unquote,

00:23:56.780 from other rifles.

00:23:57.580 There's nothing.

00:23:58.360 It's just,

00:23:59.140 we need to act now.

00:24:00.700 It's this constant push

00:24:02.500 of emotivism,

00:24:04.500 of I don't care

00:24:06.280 about the facts.

00:24:07.060 The facts be damned.

00:24:08.340 I need to feel

00:24:10.240 better about myself.

00:24:11.580 This gets you

00:24:12.400 into a lot of trouble.

00:24:13.580 And not just

00:24:14.160 at the political level,

00:24:14.920 it gets you into trouble

00:24:15.520 on the culture,

00:24:16.080 it gets you into trouble

00:24:16.620 on religion.

00:24:17.260 We'll see that

00:24:17.760 with a major

00:24:18.920 evangelical figure

00:24:20.200 apparently losing

00:24:21.700 his faith.

00:24:22.280 We'll see how it's

00:24:23.100 actually the same cause.

00:24:24.460 It's this emotivism.

00:24:26.520 It's this giving yourself

00:24:27.780 away to emotion.

00:24:28.700 I really hope

00:24:29.560 that President Trump

00:24:30.520 doesn't push

00:24:31.020 for more gun control.

00:24:32.380 There is no appetite

00:24:33.260 in the country for it

00:24:34.260 over the long run.

00:24:35.600 There is no defense

00:24:36.900 of it constitutionally

00:24:38.540 or legally

00:24:38.980 from our political tradition

00:24:40.180 or morally,

00:24:41.300 as far as I can tell.

00:24:42.220 And I think

00:24:43.520 it's just him

00:24:44.200 being suckered in

00:24:45.460 on this emotivism

00:24:46.360 by Democrats.

00:24:47.240 Now, Trump is not a sucker.

00:24:48.820 I hope he doesn't

00:24:49.460 allow himself

00:24:49.920 to be played as one.

00:24:51.100 And if he does push

00:24:51.880 for gun control,

00:24:52.560 as it appears

00:24:53.220 that he may be trying to do,

00:24:54.600 I hope that Senate

00:24:55.520 and congressional Republicans

00:24:56.860 stand firm

00:24:58.320 and do not give an inch

00:24:59.700 on it.

00:25:00.160 It's stupid.

00:25:01.520 It's just a terrible idea.

00:25:04.960 And I suspect

00:25:05.580 it's being pushed

00:25:06.180 by forces around

00:25:06.980 the president

00:25:07.440 that are left-wing

00:25:08.760 to begin with.

00:25:10.200 Stop it.

00:25:10.800 Get rid of it.

00:25:11.320 It won't help you

00:25:11.920 in 2020.

00:25:12.660 It won't help

00:25:13.340 our liberties

00:25:14.080 in this country.

00:25:14.760 It won't help

00:25:15.300 our constitutional government.

00:25:17.040 It won't help

00:25:17.920 anybody but the left.

00:25:21.620 I want to get to

00:25:22.580 on this topic

00:25:23.720 of emotivism.

00:25:24.460 I want to discuss

00:25:25.560 how this affects

00:25:26.880 not just politics

00:25:27.800 but culture and religion.

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00:25:37.820 of the legislation

00:25:38.460 being tossed around.

00:25:39.480 You need to be prepared.

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00:25:47.100 natural disasters.

00:25:48.080 I mean,

00:25:48.240 I live in Southern California,

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00:27:41.800 what this emotivism

00:27:44.000 and this tyranny

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00:27:45.560 means not just

00:27:46.660 for politics

00:27:47.160 but culture and religion.

00:27:48.340 We'll get to that

00:27:48.780 with an evangelical

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00:27:50.700 We also have to get to,

00:27:52.100 if there is time,

00:27:52.800 the more lurid details

00:27:54.680 that are coming out

00:27:55.800 in the Jeffrey Epstein saga.

00:27:57.000 But first,

00:27:57.460 you've got to go

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00:28:48.420 Okay, we've got to get

00:29:01.500 to emotivism in religion.

00:29:04.060 This is kind of

00:29:04.540 a hobby horse of mine

00:29:05.580 that I've been talking about

00:29:06.900 for a little while.

00:29:10.360 This guy, Marty Sampson

00:29:12.220 is his name.

00:29:12.880 He's a songwriter

00:29:13.540 for the popular

00:29:14.200 evangelical Christian group

00:29:15.800 Hillsong United.

00:29:17.300 He has just announced

00:29:18.840 on Instagram

00:29:19.380 that he is, quote,

00:29:20.460 genuinely losing his faith.

00:29:23.640 This comes just a week

00:29:25.040 after an evangelical author

00:29:26.740 named Joshua Harris

00:29:27.760 also announced

00:29:28.880 that he no longer

00:29:29.700 calls himself a Christian.

00:29:33.020 This is a problem

00:29:34.300 I've been talking about

00:29:35.320 for a very long time.

00:29:36.600 When you ground your faith

00:29:38.120 in sentiment,

00:29:39.780 you leave your faith

00:29:40.780 in a very vulnerable position.

00:29:43.060 When the bedrock

00:29:44.100 of your beliefs,

00:29:45.280 religious, cultural,

00:29:46.180 or political,

00:29:46.600 is emotivism.

00:29:48.180 It's just a faith

00:29:48.880 in feeling.

00:29:50.000 You are leaving

00:29:50.680 your beliefs

00:29:51.980 in a very vulnerable position.

00:29:55.420 This is true everywhere.

00:29:57.700 This is true throughout life.

00:29:58.760 It's true on marriage.

00:30:00.420 A lot of young people

00:30:01.660 talk about this.

00:30:02.480 Actually, I mean,

00:30:02.880 the baby boomers

00:30:03.580 in particular

00:30:04.320 because they have

00:30:04.680 those exploding divorce rates.

00:30:07.320 When you ground

00:30:08.260 your marriage

00:30:08.960 in the feeling

00:30:09.800 of little butterflies

00:30:10.680 that you got

00:30:11.460 when you were 16

00:30:12.400 and you saw

00:30:13.120 your girlfriend,

00:30:14.400 if that's actually

00:30:15.500 the bedrock

00:30:15.960 of your marriage,

00:30:16.900 you're going

00:30:17.220 to get divorced.

00:30:18.660 Guaranteed.

00:30:19.880 Because the minute

00:30:20.620 those butterflies

00:30:21.220 go away,

00:30:21.840 and they will go away,

00:30:22.820 they might come back.

00:30:23.660 I mean, butterflies,

00:30:24.700 like, they can come back.

00:30:26.080 You can genuinely

00:30:26.800 have feelings

00:30:27.620 of romantic love

00:30:28.540 again and again.

00:30:29.240 I've seen my grandparents

00:30:29.960 do it.

00:30:30.840 They've been married

00:30:31.280 for 70 years.

00:30:32.600 But there are going

00:30:34.100 to be periods

00:30:34.620 where the butterflies

00:30:35.200 go away.

00:30:36.280 And if that's what

00:30:37.280 your marriage is based on,

00:30:38.480 it's gone.

00:30:39.340 You might as well

00:30:39.900 not get married.

00:30:41.460 This is not just

00:30:42.520 an evangelical problem

00:30:43.760 we're seeing.

00:30:44.620 This is going on

00:30:46.240 in all sorts

00:30:47.060 of ecclesial communities.

00:30:48.820 This is going on

00:30:49.520 in the Catholic Church.

00:30:50.360 I mean, there's,

00:30:50.980 I talk a lot about

00:30:51.940 how the acoustic guitar,

00:30:53.520 felt banner,

00:30:54.300 soapy, sappy,

00:30:55.320 sentimental, saccharine

00:30:56.460 liturgies that have

00:30:58.300 replaced really beautiful

00:30:59.920 liturgy in the Catholic Church

00:31:01.020 have led a lot of people

00:31:02.380 away, myself included.

00:31:03.620 It contributed to

00:31:04.260 my own lapsing

00:31:05.300 in the faith

00:31:05.680 for 10 years,

00:31:06.780 for a whole decade.

00:31:07.800 It's a huge problem.

00:31:09.660 Here's what Marty Sampson

00:31:10.620 had to say.

00:31:11.180 He said,

00:31:11.440 this is on an Instagram post.

00:31:12.900 He's since deleted it,

00:31:14.300 but he still says

00:31:15.160 he's grappling with his faith

00:31:16.220 and he said he's losing it.

00:31:17.500 Quote,

00:31:18.100 this is a soapbox moment,

00:31:19.520 so here I go.

00:31:20.260 How many preachers fall?

00:31:21.480 Many.

00:31:22.560 No one talks about it.

00:31:23.800 How many miracles happen?

00:31:24.940 Not many.

00:31:25.820 No one talks about it.

00:31:26.980 Why is the Bible

00:31:27.640 full of contradictions?

00:31:29.120 No one talks about it.

00:31:30.420 How can God be love

00:31:31.620 yet send 4 billion people

00:31:33.100 to a place

00:31:33.680 all because they don't believe?

00:31:35.020 No one talks about it.

00:31:36.280 Christians can be

00:31:36.920 the most judgmental people

00:31:38.060 on the planet.

00:31:38.760 They can also be

00:31:39.980 some of the most beautiful

00:31:40.840 and loving people,

00:31:42.080 but it's not for me.

00:31:42.980 I am not in anymore.

00:31:44.560 I want genuine truth,

00:31:46.460 not just the

00:31:47.140 I believe it kind of truth.

00:31:48.940 Science keeps piercing

00:31:50.160 the truth of every religion.

00:31:51.900 Yeah, okay.

00:31:52.720 Lots of things

00:31:53.500 help people change their lives,

00:31:55.040 not just one version of God.

00:31:56.820 Got so much more to say,

00:31:58.100 but for me,

00:31:58.920 I'm keeping it real.

00:32:00.220 Unfollow if you want.

00:32:01.480 I've never been about

00:32:02.260 living my life for others.

00:32:03.700 Just that last bit

00:32:07.180 might show you the problem.

00:32:09.920 Might be your first problem.

00:32:11.200 If you can claim

00:32:11.920 to be a prominent

00:32:12.700 Christian leader

00:32:13.500 and say with a straight face,

00:32:15.660 I have never been about

00:32:16.960 living my life for others,

00:32:19.320 you probably weren't

00:32:20.120 much of a Christian leader.

00:32:21.920 Probably didn't have

00:32:22.820 all that much faith

00:32:23.620 to begin with.

00:32:24.580 I mean,

00:32:25.020 everything he said

00:32:26.100 is really stupid

00:32:27.160 and really wrong

00:32:29.660 and really misguided,

00:32:31.420 but I don't totally

00:32:32.500 blame him for it.

00:32:33.840 What I suspect,

00:32:34.800 which is true

00:32:35.220 of a lot of people today,

00:32:36.720 is that he did not

00:32:37.660 have very much

00:32:38.520 of a formation

00:32:39.260 in the faith.

00:32:40.780 What I suspect

00:32:41.720 is that this guy

00:32:42.620 had a lot of butterflies

00:32:43.660 in his stomach

00:32:44.440 and a lot of soft soap

00:32:46.280 and shallow feelings

00:32:48.460 and then

00:32:49.480 when that all went away,

00:32:51.560 when he poked

00:32:52.000 a little bit harder,

00:32:52.800 his faith was based

00:32:54.140 on nothing.

00:32:56.360 He just had

00:32:57.220 an acoustic guitar faith.

00:32:58.680 He had faith

00:32:59.180 in acoustic guitars.

00:33:01.420 Not in the church,

00:33:02.720 not in the faith,

00:33:03.740 but in those nice

00:33:04.520 acoustic guitar sappy songs

00:33:06.040 that I don't even think

00:33:06.800 were cool in the 70s,

00:33:07.880 but some people

00:33:08.620 apparently like them.

00:33:09.600 If your faith

00:33:10.200 can be broken

00:33:10.920 by the nature of miracle,

00:33:13.320 if your faith

00:33:13.820 can be broken

00:33:14.700 by the mysteries

00:33:15.360 presented in scripture

00:33:16.380 or the problem of evil

00:33:17.660 or the relationship

00:33:18.860 between reason

00:33:19.640 and revelation

00:33:20.340 or the foundation

00:33:21.340 of science itself,

00:33:23.320 you probably didn't have

00:33:24.300 a very sturdy faith

00:33:25.400 to begin with.

00:33:26.600 You just had

00:33:27.280 sad,

00:33:28.500 sappy,

00:33:29.420 hallmark music,

00:33:30.620 acoustic guitars.

00:33:32.520 This is an example

00:33:33.760 of the parable

00:33:35.320 of the sower.

00:33:36.120 I hope this guy is,

00:33:37.080 what's his name?

00:33:38.060 Marty something,

00:33:38.700 Marty Sampson.

00:33:39.260 I hope he's watching this.

00:33:40.220 I hope someone

00:33:40.560 sends this to him.

00:33:41.820 This is the parable

00:33:43.180 of the sower

00:33:43.840 from Mark chapter 4

00:33:46.160 or from Matthew chapter 4,

00:33:47.620 I believe.

00:33:48.600 Mark or Matthew.

00:33:49.400 I'm not sure.

00:33:49.860 Maybe my faith

00:33:50.440 needs a little,

00:33:51.400 needs to be rejuvenated

00:33:53.020 as well.

00:33:53.520 But here is the parable

00:33:54.360 of the sower.

00:33:57.080 He was teaching them

00:33:58.300 many things in parables

00:33:59.400 and in his teaching

00:34:00.540 he said to them,

00:34:01.540 Listen,

00:34:02.180 behold,

00:34:03.120 a sower went out to sow.

00:34:05.140 And as he sowed,

00:34:06.080 some seed fell along the path

00:34:07.480 and the birds came

00:34:08.180 and devoured it.

00:34:09.280 Other seed fell

00:34:10.080 on rocky ground

00:34:11.000 where it did not have

00:34:12.160 much soil

00:34:12.720 and immediately it sprang up

00:34:14.180 since it had no depth

00:34:15.400 of soil.

00:34:16.240 And when the sun rose,

00:34:17.280 it was scorched

00:34:17.880 and since it had no root,

00:34:19.700 it withered away.

00:34:21.260 Other seed fell among thorns

00:34:22.760 and the thorns grew up

00:34:23.700 and choked it

00:34:24.220 and it yielded no grain.

00:34:25.540 And other seeds fell

00:34:27.540 into good soil

00:34:28.680 and produced grain,

00:34:30.500 growing up

00:34:31.080 and increasing

00:34:31.860 and yielding

00:34:32.720 thirtyfold

00:34:33.400 and sixtyfold

00:34:34.300 and a hundredfold.

00:34:36.060 And he said,

00:34:37.380 He who has ears to hear,

00:34:39.120 let him hear.

00:34:40.860 Seems to me

00:34:41.600 a pretty clear example

00:34:42.620 of seed falling

00:34:44.260 on rocky ground

00:34:45.280 where it did not

00:34:47.060 have much soil

00:34:47.840 and it immediately sprang up

00:34:49.120 and had no depth of soil.

00:34:50.580 And then the sun rose

00:34:51.540 and it was scorched

00:34:52.800 because it had no root

00:34:54.300 and it withered away.

00:34:57.260 This is,

00:34:58.760 I mean,

00:34:59.280 this is an

00:34:59.960 across the board

00:35:01.620 point that I make

00:35:02.940 for all sorts of people

00:35:04.440 who call themselves Christian.

00:35:10.020 Follow the beauty

00:35:11.340 and the goodness

00:35:12.580 and the truth.

00:35:15.320 Don't let your emotions

00:35:17.160 or your self-obsession

00:35:19.320 or the acoustic guitars

00:35:21.560 that you really like

00:35:22.520 as they make you feel

00:35:23.320 really good and cool

00:35:24.280 carry you away.

00:35:26.160 Don't be carried away

00:35:27.860 on thin emotion.

00:35:31.080 You need to have

00:35:32.560 a serious foundation

00:35:35.280 of your faith.

00:35:36.420 You need to ballast yourself

00:35:38.020 in reality

00:35:39.120 than throw yourself

00:35:40.560 into the sea

00:35:41.260 because the sea

00:35:41.900 is the inspiration.

00:35:42.780 But you need to ballast yourself

00:35:43.920 in the reality first.

00:35:45.900 If you just let yourself

00:35:47.180 be washed away,

00:35:48.420 wiped away,

00:35:48.920 blown away

00:35:49.460 on the breezes

00:35:50.080 of your own thin emotion,

00:35:51.500 you are not going

00:35:52.660 to have

00:35:53.160 very much faith

00:35:54.360 at all.

00:35:55.700 This especially matters

00:35:57.100 with the evangelicals

00:35:59.100 because without

00:35:59.940 the evangelicals,

00:36:01.200 the culture

00:36:01.800 and politics

00:36:02.380 of this country

00:36:03.000 are lost.

00:36:04.040 They're the only

00:36:04.540 reliably conservative

00:36:05.440 people in the country.

00:36:07.960 Catholics aren't

00:36:08.580 reliably conservative.

00:36:09.640 Catholics aren't even

00:36:10.300 reliably pro-life.

00:36:11.720 Now,

00:36:12.020 a lot of this

00:36:12.620 gets down to

00:36:14.020 a kind of

00:36:14.540 cultural Catholicism.

00:36:15.760 Some people who say,

00:36:16.500 yeah, you know,

00:36:17.260 I went to church

00:36:17.860 a few times as a kid,

00:36:18.820 so I guess I'm Catholic.

00:36:19.620 I don't practice the faith

00:36:20.900 and I don't go to church

00:36:21.680 and I don't really

00:36:22.160 believe any of it,

00:36:22.900 but you know,

00:36:23.340 hey, I'm Catholic.

00:36:25.000 There was a study

00:36:25.580 that just came out

00:36:26.120 from Pew.

00:36:26.600 It said that

00:36:27.060 something like

00:36:27.800 two-thirds of Catholics

00:36:28.880 don't believe

00:36:29.780 in the transubstantiation,

00:36:31.100 which is the Eucharist

00:36:32.140 really being the body

00:36:33.060 and blood of Christ.

00:36:34.200 That is the center

00:36:35.100 of the Catholic faith.

00:36:36.340 It's the center

00:36:36.820 of the mass.

00:36:39.120 Now, I don't know

00:36:39.780 if the poll is right or not,

00:36:41.280 but I wouldn't be

00:36:41.880 terribly surprised,

00:36:42.740 and that's how you get

00:36:43.520 such bizarre numbers,

00:36:45.760 half of Catholics

00:36:46.400 saying they're not pro-life

00:36:47.420 or something like that.

00:36:48.300 Evangelicals are kind of

00:36:50.440 the political last hope

00:36:52.900 in the country,

00:36:53.660 and if they're being

00:36:55.580 washed away

00:36:56.600 because of shallow,

00:36:59.120 sappy songs

00:36:59.900 and not having

00:37:00.800 a real firm,

00:37:01.780 solid faith,

00:37:02.580 that is a very

00:37:03.580 terrifying thing.

00:37:05.940 You know,

00:37:06.160 it's funny sometimes.

00:37:07.740 I see this a lot.

00:37:08.620 I go to a lot of

00:37:09.180 conservative religious circles,

00:37:11.180 and you'll see these people

00:37:12.580 who are super conservative

00:37:14.100 across the religious spectrum,

00:37:15.740 Catholic, Protestant,

00:37:16.420 Evangelical,

00:37:17.500 and they ballast themselves

00:37:18.880 with such reality

00:37:19.800 in every aspect

00:37:20.640 of their lives,

00:37:21.780 and then they give

00:37:22.500 into sappy emotivism

00:37:23.980 on a couple questions.

00:37:26.580 You know,

00:37:26.840 maybe they give

00:37:27.320 into sappy emotivism

00:37:28.560 on the gun control question

00:37:30.420 because they really

00:37:31.380 let their emotions

00:37:32.000 run away with them,

00:37:32.840 or, even more terrifying,

00:37:34.460 they give themselves

00:37:35.140 into sappy emotivism

00:37:36.280 on the eternal questions,

00:37:37.400 on the most important questions,

00:37:38.720 the nature of reality,

00:37:40.160 the nature of the human person,

00:37:41.320 and the nature of our relationship

00:37:42.400 to God himself.

00:37:43.140 Not good.

00:37:46.080 Not good.

00:37:46.900 Very scary.

00:37:48.960 And maybe this is an opportunity

00:37:50.580 for this guy,

00:37:51.880 Marty Sampson.

00:37:53.000 Is that his name?

00:37:53.600 I keep forgetting his name.

00:37:54.700 Maybe this is an opportunity

00:37:55.920 for Marty Sampson

00:37:57.020 and for other people

00:37:58.320 who currently

00:37:59.600 have their faith

00:38:01.220 mostly made up

00:38:02.160 of lame,

00:38:03.500 early 90s

00:38:04.620 soft rock

00:38:06.000 melodies and lyrics

00:38:07.940 to really delve

00:38:09.920 into those questions

00:38:10.680 because everything he brings up

00:38:12.220 are the questions

00:38:14.500 that children should bring up

00:38:15.660 and then a good

00:38:16.420 religious formation

00:38:18.580 will answer them.

00:38:19.700 How many miracles happen?

00:38:20.900 Miracles happen

00:38:21.600 every day, Buster.

00:38:22.960 They happen all the time.

00:38:24.440 And the central miracles

00:38:25.640 of the scripture

00:38:26.220 are incredibly well attested to.

00:38:29.100 But miracles happen

00:38:29.960 every day.

00:38:31.800 Why is the Bible

00:38:32.420 full of contradictions?

00:38:33.420 What he's really saying is,

00:38:34.320 I don't understand scripture.

00:38:35.900 Therefore,

00:38:36.520 it must be wrong.

00:38:38.620 No.

00:38:38.840 Why are you unwilling

00:38:41.400 to engage with scripture?

00:38:43.420 What contradictions?

00:38:44.560 Bring up the contradiction.

00:38:45.660 Explore them.

00:38:46.240 Take it seriously.

00:38:47.720 How can God be loved

00:38:48.660 yet send four billion people

00:38:49.860 to a place

00:38:50.340 all because they don't believe?

00:38:51.240 What he's asking here

00:38:51.960 is the problem of evil,

00:38:53.280 the problem of pain,

00:38:54.060 the problem of suffering.

00:38:55.160 You're not the first guy

00:38:56.120 to think about it.

00:38:57.640 You're not the first guy

00:38:58.400 to ask that question.

00:39:01.340 And acoustic guitar players

00:39:03.320 are,

00:39:03.820 look,

00:39:04.140 I like acoustic guitar players.

00:39:05.360 I'm an acoustic guitar player

00:39:06.360 myself.

00:39:06.680 But they're not

00:39:08.900 the be all and end all

00:39:09.900 of philosophical

00:39:10.560 and theological thought

00:39:11.720 and the question of theodicy.

00:39:13.320 Maybe explore

00:39:13.980 what other people

00:39:14.580 have had to say

00:39:15.060 on the matter,

00:39:15.540 the church fathers,

00:39:16.340 the doctors of the church.

00:39:20.040 I want genuine truth,

00:39:21.860 not the I just believe

00:39:22.840 kind of truth.

00:39:23.640 Yeah,

00:39:24.000 you're right.

00:39:24.880 You should have

00:39:26.040 a genuine faith.

00:39:28.680 You should follow

00:39:29.800 that through reason.

00:39:32.220 You know,

00:39:32.520 you know who

00:39:33.140 didn't have a just,

00:39:34.620 I just believe

00:39:35.360 kind of truth,

00:39:36.100 you know,

00:39:36.300 who followed

00:39:37.140 genuine truth

00:39:37.900 and used his reason

00:39:38.820 pretty seriously.

00:39:41.380 St. Thomas Aquinas,

00:39:42.500 one of the greatest geniuses

00:39:43.660 to ever live.

00:39:45.080 Maybe open his book

00:39:46.100 up a little bit.

00:39:47.580 Maybe open up

00:39:48.240 the catechism

00:39:49.040 of St. Thomas Aquinas

00:39:50.060 or the

00:39:50.580 Summa Contra Gentiles

00:39:51.860 or the Summa Theologia.

00:39:54.960 Science keeps piercing

00:39:56.100 the truth

00:39:56.600 of every religion.

00:39:57.660 No,

00:39:57.880 it doesn't.

00:39:58.440 That's just a stupid slogan

00:39:59.680 that left-wingers say.

00:40:01.200 That is not true.

00:40:03.360 Science is,

00:40:04.120 comes naturally

00:40:05.840 from the church.

00:40:06.780 The basis of science

00:40:07.900 is religious faith.

00:40:09.620 You need to accept

00:40:10.760 the premises of faith

00:40:12.180 in order to think

00:40:13.260 in the first place

00:40:13.940 and in order to follow

00:40:15.020 the scientific method

00:40:15.900 and to trust your faculties

00:40:17.200 of reason.

00:40:18.000 There is a reason why

00:40:18.920 the greatest scientists

00:40:20.500 in history

00:40:21.100 were all profoundly

00:40:22.440 religious.

00:40:23.880 It's why Isaac Newton

00:40:24.900 spent the last 30 years

00:40:26.040 of his life

00:40:26.460 interpreting scripture.

00:40:27.760 It's why

00:40:28.240 Blaise Pascal,

00:40:29.440 one of the great

00:40:30.060 mathematicians and scientists

00:40:31.200 of all of modernity,

00:40:32.280 came up with

00:40:34.300 Pascal's wager.

00:40:35.220 He was profoundly

00:40:35.840 religious.

00:40:37.880 All of these guys.

00:40:40.680 Got to use your mind.

00:40:41.680 The guy who discovered

00:40:42.340 the Big Bang.

00:40:43.520 Do you know who

00:40:43.820 discovered the Big Bang?

00:40:44.620 A Catholic priest

00:40:45.480 named Father George Lemaitre.

00:40:47.420 The guy who

00:40:48.420 discovered the human genome.

00:40:49.880 All of these people

00:40:51.660 were profoundly religious.

00:40:52.900 Maybe they knew something

00:40:53.840 that you,

00:40:55.120 the acoustic guitar player,

00:40:56.580 don't know.

00:40:57.700 I'm just keeping it real.

00:40:58.960 You're not keeping it real.

00:40:59.900 You're allowing your emotions

00:41:01.240 to fall away with you.

00:41:02.520 You're grounding your faith

00:41:03.360 on nothing but your own

00:41:04.900 saccharine self-centeredness.

00:41:06.680 And you should

00:41:07.180 shake yourself out of it.

00:41:10.220 I've never been about

00:41:11.020 living my life for others.

00:41:12.220 Well then I guess

00:41:12.740 you've never been about

00:41:13.480 Christianity, buddy.

00:41:14.500 And if you're interested

00:41:15.140 in Christianity,

00:41:16.140 maybe you should explore it

00:41:17.280 with the

00:41:18.180 wonder and awe

00:41:19.720 of a child

00:41:20.320 and not the

00:41:21.360 cynicism

00:41:22.020 of a professional musician

00:41:23.720 and the saccharine sentiment

00:41:25.460 of an acoustic guitar player.

00:41:27.720 That's my rant on that.

00:41:29.900 We have to

00:41:30.560 ask a couple questions

00:41:31.960 about Jeffrey Epstein

00:41:32.720 because a day

00:41:33.700 would no longer be a day

00:41:34.920 if we weren't able

00:41:35.940 to find more lurid details

00:41:37.520 out about Jeffrey Epstein.

00:41:39.240 Big question here

00:41:40.160 is

00:41:41.480 over deep fakes.

00:41:44.320 Or I'm sorry,

00:41:44.980 we'll get to deep fakes

00:41:45.880 in tomorrow.

00:41:47.320 The big question

00:41:47.900 over Epstein,

00:41:48.440 I guess it could be

00:41:48.960 over deep fakes

00:41:49.600 because we don't know

00:41:50.120 who they wheeled

00:41:50.600 out of that hospital.

00:41:51.700 But

00:41:51.920 the big question here is

00:41:53.920 why didn't the guards

00:41:55.340 check on him

00:41:56.000 while he was killing himself?

00:41:57.900 Guards were supposed

00:41:58.480 to check on Epstein

00:41:59.320 every 30 minutes

00:42:00.420 at least,

00:42:01.040 if not every 15 minutes.

00:42:02.400 What happened?

00:42:04.000 The story now

00:42:05.040 coming out of sources

00:42:06.220 and investigators

00:42:07.420 is that they fell asleep

00:42:08.620 for three hours

00:42:10.480 while Epstein

00:42:11.400 killed himself.

00:42:12.480 Both of them.

00:42:14.560 The guards

00:42:15.300 who were supposed

00:42:15.720 to be monitoring him

00:42:16.740 apparently fell asleep

00:42:18.160 for three hours.

00:42:21.000 Then they falsified

00:42:21.860 the records

00:42:22.300 in the morning.

00:42:23.260 Now they've been placed

00:42:24.160 on administrative leave.

00:42:26.180 And some reports

00:42:27.020 are coming out

00:42:27.460 that the cameras

00:42:28.000 were just malfunctioning.

00:42:30.020 And so we couldn't

00:42:30.680 really see anything

00:42:31.500 in or around

00:42:33.140 Jeffrey Epstein's cell

00:42:34.300 at all.

00:42:36.940 I'm not surprised

00:42:38.440 if bureaucracy

00:42:40.220 is incompetent.

00:42:42.380 Not surprised at all.

00:42:43.540 I'm also not surprised

00:42:44.400 if bureaucracy

00:42:44.900 is corrupt.

00:42:46.100 And I think

00:42:46.460 there are some people

00:42:47.020 trying to leap

00:42:47.620 to this incompetence theory.

00:42:49.300 But

00:42:49.420 it just requires

00:42:51.960 so many coincidences.

00:42:53.620 It requires

00:42:54.280 that Epstein

00:42:54.760 actually had been

00:42:55.540 taken off

00:42:55.940 of suicide watch

00:42:56.760 three weeks

00:42:57.280 after an attack.

00:42:58.160 It requires

00:42:58.780 that the cameras

00:42:59.380 have not been pointed

00:43:00.060 in the right place

00:43:00.740 or not working.

00:43:01.600 It requires

00:43:02.160 that records

00:43:02.700 have been falsified.

00:43:04.100 And it requires

00:43:04.760 that not one

00:43:05.340 but two guards

00:43:07.440 slept through

00:43:09.720 three full hours

00:43:12.140 at the same time

00:43:13.060 when they should

00:43:14.000 have been checking

00:43:14.480 on Jeffrey Epstein.

00:43:16.660 And it requires

00:43:17.520 that all of this

00:43:18.040 happened right

00:43:18.840 at the end

00:43:19.140 of a news cycle

00:43:19.780 on the best time

00:43:20.660 to release news

00:43:21.720 that you want

00:43:22.300 to be buried

00:43:22.800 to not have

00:43:23.340 a huge effect.

00:43:27.600 I'm skeptical.

00:43:28.800 Not saying

00:43:29.280 it couldn't happen.

00:43:30.120 Just saying

00:43:30.700 I am skeptical.

00:43:31.800 And if that level

00:43:32.720 of incompetence

00:43:33.420 and coincidence

00:43:33.860 occurred

00:43:34.300 that is a scandal

00:43:35.400 in and of itself.

00:43:36.440 The two guards

00:43:37.000 have apparently

00:43:37.480 been placed

00:43:37.980 on administrative leave.

00:43:40.580 Okay.

00:43:42.360 I ain't buying this.

00:43:44.060 I ain't buying this at all.

00:43:45.080 I also can't wait

00:43:45.640 to find out

00:43:46.140 that the two guards

00:43:47.320 is you know

00:43:47.820 one is a sort of

00:43:49.080 taller man

00:43:49.880 in his 70s

00:43:50.700 with gray hair.

00:43:51.660 The other one

00:43:52.320 is a shorter woman

00:43:53.080 with blonde hair

00:43:54.060 and wears a lot

00:43:54.600 of pantsuits

00:43:55.220 you know

00:43:55.640 kind of.

00:43:56.220 I don't know

00:43:56.680 look I don't know

00:43:57.320 what the guards

00:43:58.120 looked like.

00:43:58.940 They both had

00:43:59.340 Groucho Marx glasses

00:44:00.380 on and a mustache.

00:44:01.180 I don't know

00:44:01.540 what they looked like.

00:44:03.160 I'm saying

00:44:03.700 it's the Clintons people.

00:44:04.780 That's what I'm saying.

00:44:05.340 I don't know.

00:44:06.900 I'm just saying

00:44:07.580 there are some people

00:44:08.580 on the right

00:44:08.980 and the left

00:44:09.440 who want to say

00:44:09.960 okay open and shut case

00:44:10.940 nothing to see here

00:44:11.540 move along

00:44:11.960 move along.

00:44:12.740 I don't buy that.

00:44:13.660 Way too many

00:44:14.400 coincidences going on.

00:44:15.840 Speaking of deep fakes

00:44:17.160 though

00:44:17.600 the deep fakes

00:44:18.560 either of the super villain

00:44:20.160 now on his space station

00:44:21.200 because they wheeled

00:44:21.800 a deep fake

00:44:22.260 out of a hospital.

00:44:24.260 There is a big story

00:44:26.400 on this.

00:44:26.940 You've got deep fakes

00:44:27.920 coming out.

00:44:28.640 It could really affect

00:44:29.800 our politics.

00:44:30.940 It could affect

00:44:31.360 our culture.

00:44:32.220 A lot of people

00:44:32.620 are freaking out

00:44:33.200 because you can make

00:44:33.660 people say or do

00:44:34.400 anything you want

00:44:35.020 on video.

00:44:35.740 I actually think

00:44:36.280 it's a pretty good thing

00:44:37.380 but I guess we'll have

00:44:37.900 to get to it tomorrow.

00:44:38.700 In the meantime

00:44:39.080 I'm Michael Knowles.

00:44:40.160 This is The Michael Knowles Show.

00:44:41.480 See you then.

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00:45:12.880 Hey everyone

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00:45:17.840 pro-democracy

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The Michael Knowles Show - August 14, 2019

Ep. 398 - Why Do We Defend Fredo？

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