The Michael Knowles Show - Ep. 432 - Real Journalists Expose Fake News

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00:00:30.280 CNN chief Jeff Zucker gets caught on camera telling his journalists to stop associating

00:00:36.340 with Republicans and to start pushing impeachment.

00:00:39.360 The mainstream media lose their collective minds over a meme depicting violence against journalists

00:00:43.920 while they ignore real world violence against conservatives.

00:00:47.940 And then a story you certainly will not hear about in the mainstream media, transgender regret.

00:00:54.060 We speak with Peter Benjamin, who had the transgender surgery, lived as a woman,

00:00:58.580 came to regret it, is now identifying again as a male and has some serious warnings

00:01:04.920 about the spread of transgender ideology throughout the culture.

00:01:08.440 We will get to all of that.

00:01:09.400 I'm Michael Knowles, and this is The Michael Knowles Show.

00:01:11.520 Breaking news. 0.96

00:01:20.800 CNN is a bunch of dishonest hacks. 0.97

00:01:23.720 I know, that's not exactly a man bites dog story. 0.96

00:01:27.700 That's more of a dog bites man story because we already knew that from the very beginning.

00:01:31.580 But now we have audio confirmation of this because an actual journalist, James O'Keefe,

00:01:38.720 went in there, went into CNN, and was able to catch on bits of information from sources

00:01:44.180 and from audio and from phone calls, where CNN chief Jeff Zucker actually admits that he is using his

00:01:53.740 alleged news network to push for the partisan political goal of impeaching President Trump.

00:02:01.080 I don't care about the MSNBC event.

00:02:03.080 I don't care about them.

00:02:04.640 Let's just stay very focused on impeachment.

00:02:06.420 My name is Cary Porch.

00:02:08.980 I'm a satellite uplink technician.

00:02:11.040 I'm a contractor at the CNN Washington, D.C. Bureau.

00:02:14.480 But Jeff Zucker, yeah, basically president of CNN, has a personal vendetta against Trump.

00:02:26.920 It's not going to be positive for Trump.

00:02:28.800 He hates him.

00:02:29.480 He's going to be negative.

00:02:30.760 I decided to wear a hidden camera.

00:02:32.820 Do you want to?

00:02:33.940 Can I hear it?

00:02:34.820 No, sorry.

00:02:35.280 I'm reading him before we're playing it every single day.

00:02:38.420 Yeah.

00:02:39.500 Media created the Trump.

00:02:41.160 I'm seeing it.

00:02:41.740 I decided to secretly record the 9 a.m. rundown call meetings, and it's basically run by

00:02:47.000 Jeff Zucker, the president of CNN.

00:02:48.980 We're moving towards impeachment.

00:02:52.060 I mean, don't, like, you know, we shouldn't pretend, oh, this is going one way, and so all

00:02:58.760 these moves are moves towards impeachment.

00:03:03.560 When I came to work at CNN, I mean, it was my dream job, and that dream actually just

00:03:08.840 turned into a nightmare.

00:03:09.600 Okay, so the very first voice of the source talks to media coordinators, floor directors, various people at CNN who are all backing up what we just heard from Jeff Zucker, which is Jeff Zucker as a personal vendetta against Trump.

00:03:26.160 He is directing the network, he is directing the network's news coverage to focus on and to actually push impeachment.

00:03:32.160 Now, look, news outlets can have their own editorial positions.

00:03:36.460 It's a little dishonest of CNN because CNN pretends to only be facts first, and they're not admitting that their news programming is really opinion programming.

00:03:45.680 But, okay, that's all even sort of understandable.

00:03:49.500 The footage gets even more specific, though, because you then hear Jeff Zucker telling his team to stop palling around with prominent Republicans.

00:04:01.460 Why?

00:04:01.820 Because they're not objective journalists covering the news.

00:04:04.460 They are partisans pushing a narrative for the left and for the Democratic Party.

00:04:09.640 I just want to say on the Lindsey Graham front, I know that there's a lot of people at CNN that are friendly with Lindsey Graham.

00:04:15.200 Time to knock that off, and it's time to call him out.

00:04:18.480 I think what's going on in America now is really fundamentally the result of years of fake news, conspiracy nonsense from Facebook, from Fox News.

00:04:33.580 Okay, so he says, I know a lot of you guys are friendly with Lindsey Graham.

00:04:37.700 Cut that out. 0.73

00:04:38.500 Time to knock that off.

00:04:40.500 No more being friends with Lindsey Graham.

00:04:42.300 We need to go after Lindsey Graham. 0.82

00:04:43.620 Every single Republican we need to go after.

00:04:46.060 And then he has the audacity and the just obliviousness, the unselfawareness to say,

00:04:51.440 this is a result of years and years of fake news from Fox, which is the more conservative network.

00:05:01.060 Not years and years of fake news from us, even though on this call I am admitting we are fake news.

00:05:05.760 We are not a news network.

00:05:06.820 We are partisans pushing a partisan political objective on behalf of Democrats.

00:05:12.360 It's Fox News' fault.

00:05:14.820 Say whatever you want about Fox News.

00:05:16.300 You're Jeff Zucker.

00:05:17.200 You're CNN.

00:05:18.040 You're the guy doing this right now.

00:05:19.880 How about some self-awareness?

00:05:21.740 They can't muster it.

00:05:22.920 And you see this in a lot of major fake news stories from accusing the president of violence when it's the left calling for violence themselves to absolutely abhorrent fake news over Syria and the Turkish invasion of Syria all the way down.

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00:07:45.880 So, CNN is more or less admitting, I mean, we've now heard it on tape, that they're pushing impeachment.

00:07:52.000 They don't want their hosts to pal around with Lindsey Graham. 0.99

00:07:54.600 But it's not just CNN.

00:07:55.660 I don't want to only beat up on CNN.

00:07:57.740 The whole mainstream media are like this.

00:07:59.680 CNN just got caught doing it. 1.00

00:08:01.900 CNN got a little too sloppy.

00:08:04.060 Saw this in a big story that came out yesterday.

00:08:06.000 Big, huge story.

00:08:07.980 Now, it doesn't, it's not a big event.

00:08:10.120 It's not an event that really matters at all.

00:08:12.500 But the story in the mainstream media was so big.

00:08:16.200 According to the mainstream media, if you were reading the news yesterday, Twitter,

00:08:19.240 President Trump participated in a video that showed him murdering members of the mainstream media 0.99

00:08:29.060 with a gun, with a pistol, flipping them over, shooting them, killing them. 0.99

00:08:32.880 It was a Trump video, a violent Trump video. 1.00

00:08:35.320 And Trump has to apologize.

00:08:37.060 This, according to the mainstream media, CNN, or rather NBC's.

00:08:40.940 So hard.

00:08:41.760 They're basically all the same network.

00:08:43.160 So it's hard to keep them straight.

00:08:45.380 NBC's Lester Holt has the story.

00:08:47.600 Tonight, the White House is trying to distance the president from a disturbing video

00:08:51.520 showing a likeness of him violently attacking his political opponents and the news media.

00:08:56.920 It was apparently played at a conference at one of the president's Florida resorts.

00:09:01.360 Hallie Jackson has that story.

00:09:03.100 They're trying to distance, the White House trying to distance President Trump from a violent,

00:09:07.260 disturbing video.

00:09:08.080 And they obviously would only have to distance him if President Trump had something to do with

00:09:12.180 the video, which, of course, we here at NBC are going to insinuate, even though that isn't true

00:09:17.360 at all.

00:09:17.820 There's no evidence of that whatsoever, and it has no basis in reality.

00:09:22.620 What's the actual video?

00:09:23.460 The actual video is a meme.

00:09:25.680 It's a meme.

00:09:26.140 It's an internet meme where it's a scene from the 2014 movie The Kingsman, and it's a scene

00:09:32.160 in which a guy walks in, shoots up a whole church, and the guy walking in in this scene

00:09:37.220 is President Trump.

00:09:38.380 They have, like, Trump's face kind of pasted on the guy, and then on all the people in

00:09:43.580 the congregation, they have different outlets, different news outlets.

00:09:47.340 Not so many people, I mean, one or two, but it's mostly, you know, like the CNBC logo or

00:09:51.920 the ABC logo or the Politico logo.

00:09:54.320 And Trump walks in and just commits acts of violence on every single one of these outlets.

00:09:59.240 Here's just a little taste.

00:10:00.040 How dare you separate them from their parents? 1.00

00:10:04.080 We're going to rip your son from his mother's arms and throw him in a cage full of pedophiles 1.00

00:10:09.020 and let them have. 1.00

00:10:10.560 Okay, it goes on like that for a while, and then Trump just blows up the whole group

00:10:38.540 of mainstream media people.

00:10:40.320 It's a meme.

00:10:41.220 It looks like a meme.

00:10:42.260 It's obviously very poor quality because it's just still images pasted onto moving bodies,

00:10:46.840 but that's it.

00:10:47.740 That's it.

00:10:48.100 So the real headline is somebody made a meme, and then, and then what actually happened was

00:10:53.080 at a pro-Trump conference, not organized by Trump, not really that closely affiliated

00:10:58.100 with Trump, but an organization that supports Trump, American Priority, had a conference,

00:11:03.000 and it was played there.

00:11:04.360 Now, it wasn't played on the big screen.

00:11:05.800 It wasn't the center of the conference.

00:11:06.940 This conference had a contest for memes, so they put out a call for memes.

00:11:13.780 People submitted their memes.

00:11:15.360 This was one of the memes, and it was shown in a side room on a small TV with not that

00:11:19.180 many people watching.

00:11:20.340 There were probably, I don't know, 10 or 15 people watching in the room, and then, and

00:11:25.480 then it became a big news story because the mainstream media saw it, and they played it

00:11:29.200 for millions of people.

00:11:30.300 Now, the meme, as I said, comes from this 2014 movie, The Kingsman.

00:11:34.760 There is a little irony here in that there was no outrage whatsoever when the movie came

00:11:40.520 out, and the movie depicted a guy shooting up an entire church full of people.

00:11:44.800 That, no outrage, but a meme that very few people saw of Trump shooting logos of NBC.

00:11:52.360 That, that was the end of the world.

00:11:53.840 The event organizers totally disavowed the video.

00:11:58.040 They said the video was not approved, seen, or sanctioned.

00:12:01.540 AMPF Fest condemns all violence in the strongest terms and only wants to unite Americans.

00:12:07.660 So what do I think of the meme?

00:12:08.900 I don't really care.

00:12:09.840 I mean, it's, I guess it's a funny meme in that memes are funny, and they're, they're

00:12:13.740 disrespectful, and, you know, that's what they are.

00:12:16.900 If President Trump had tweeted this out, I would say that's a very bad thing.

00:12:21.580 If some really prominent person in Trump's orbit tweeted this out, I would say that's

00:12:25.540 a really, really bad thing.

00:12:26.720 You don't want that sort of stuff out there.

00:12:28.420 You don't want to incite violence against Americans.

00:12:31.920 Of course, you, you couldn't say this is unprecedented in our political rhetoric.

00:12:35.920 I mean, let's not forget when we think back of the halcyon days of our republic in the early

00:12:40.100 founding days, uh, say for instance, 1804, when the sitting vice president literally

00:12:45.540 murdered the former treasury secretary with a real pistol in a real duel, you know, there

00:12:51.260 are, there is some precedent for these kinds of things.

00:12:53.120 If, if I have to choose between Aaron Burr, the sitting vice president, killing Alexander

00:12:57.160 Hamilton or some guy making a meme, I'm certainly going to take some guy making a meme, but okay,

00:13:02.540 it's not good.

00:13:03.180 The organizer apologizes.

00:13:04.800 Fine.

00:13:05.100 Good enough.

00:13:05.540 The White House even condemned it.

00:13:07.360 The White House said, we haven't seen the meme, but we've heard it's no good.

00:13:09.500 So, okay, we condemn it, but that's not good enough for the mainstream media.

00:13:13.140 Here's Brooke Baldwin on CNN.

00:13:15.060 Mr.

00:13:15.400 President, why is it taking you so long to condemn this video?

00:13:20.200 You tweet all the time.

00:13:22.380 I don't want to hear from your press secretary who says you strongly condemned the video.

00:13:27.400 I want to hear from you.

00:13:29.820 The video I'm referring to is obtained by the New York times.

00:13:32.840 It is extremely violent.

00:13:34.120 It is disturbing.

00:13:35.260 And CNN has confirmed it was shown at a pro-Trump political conference.

00:13:39.820 And in case you have not seen it, it depicts a killing spree inside of a church, a scene

00:13:45.480 cut from a 2014 film.

00:13:47.280 Okay.

00:13:47.820 Excuse me.

00:13:48.200 Just once.

00:13:48.580 I just need to take one quick break to give me a break.

00:13:53.860 I love this.

00:13:54.780 She goes, when is the president going to condemn this?

00:13:57.080 Hey, Brooke, he already condemned it.

00:14:00.820 Well, yeah, but he only condemned it through his spokesman.

00:14:04.000 And I don't want to hear it from his spokesman who speaks for him.

00:14:07.060 I, I want it.

00:14:08.080 I want him to do it.

00:14:09.380 I want, I, I want what I want.

00:14:11.860 I want president Trump to take responsibility for something that he had nothing to do with

00:14:15.960 whatsoever that he's already condemned through a spokesman.

00:14:19.500 Okay.

00:14:20.300 That's fine.

00:14:21.120 Meanwhile, meanwhile.

00:14:22.640 So that's a meme, like here's the story.

00:14:24.860 A guy made a meme.

00:14:26.400 Meanwhile, outside of a Trump rally in Minneapolis, some leftist thug smacked a woman in the face

00:14:33.980 because she was walking with a guy who was wearing a make America great again sweatshirt.

00:14:46.440 Yeah.

00:14:47.340 So that actual violence against conservatives, against a, against a woman too.

00:14:52.640 No reporting.

00:14:53.540 You're not going to see that on the mainstream media.

00:14:55.580 Oh, but Hey, Michael, that was just one event, right?

00:14:57.660 That was just one fringy moment where some random person smacked somebody.

00:15:02.620 Come on.

00:15:02.900 That doesn't seem like it's part of a pattern of leftist violence, uh, except for all of

00:15:08.040 the open public calls for leftist violence against conservatives from Hollywood, from politicians

00:15:14.600 and from, you guessed it, the news media.

00:15:17.100 Yes, I have thought an awful lot about blowing up the White House.

00:15:23.940 And if you see anybody from that cabinet in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gasoline

00:15:32.160 station, you get out and you create a crowd and you push back on them and you tell them

00:15:39.580 they're not welcome.

00:15:40.680 New details today on the incident that left Senator Rand Paul with six broken ribs.

00:15:45.840 This might be one of my favorite stories, although of course we don't, uh, want to, uh, clearly

00:15:50.020 Senator Paul is still struggling.

00:15:51.300 President Walker, how do you resist the temptation to run up and wring her neck?

00:15:54.460 That you cannot be civil with a political party that wants to destroy what you stand for, what

00:16:01.600 you care about.

00:16:02.500 That's why I believe if we are fortunate enough to win back the House and or the Senate, that's

00:16:09.320 when civility can start again.

00:16:11.300 But I'd like, I like that you're all a part of it.

00:16:13.520 When was the last time an actor assassinated a president?

00:16:16.760 Okay, well, but a meme, a guy made a meme and it was shown in a little room somewhere.

00:16:25.760 So that, so Trump needs to condemn that.

00:16:28.840 Brooke Baldwin, I want to hear from you.

00:16:31.600 I don't want to hear, well, actually, I don't, as far as I can tell, nobody on the left has

00:16:34.860 apologized for these open calls for violence or the violence itself.

00:16:37.900 But I want to hear from you, Brooke Baldwin, not from one of your spokesmen.

00:16:41.760 I want you to condemn this kind of violence, the calls for violence from the politicians,

00:16:48.120 from the celebrities, and from the mainstream media.

00:16:50.220 I think someone tells me I'm going to be waiting a long time for that.

00:16:52.860 That is, that is the anatomy of a fake news story.

00:16:56.380 Trump needs to distance himself from a disturbing video.

00:17:01.200 Trump needs to apologize for something he has nothing to do with.

00:17:03.780 Meanwhile, the left actually calling for violence, actually committing violence at the highest

00:17:08.060 and most public levels.

00:17:09.880 No accountability at all.

00:17:11.040 Not whatsoever.

00:17:12.220 Okay, that's fine.

00:17:13.120 Speaking of violence and speaking of fake news, ABC News just caught, got caught in a huge fake

00:17:19.680 news story.

00:17:20.400 So you've seen a lot of the coverage in Syria.

00:17:23.920 The United States moved some troops from Northern Syria, 50 to 150 special operators.

00:17:28.780 This was condemned widely by people in the Pentagon and in the national security establishment

00:17:34.860 and the more interventionist Republicans and the convenient left.

00:17:40.920 You know, the left would have been thrilled if Obama had done this, but now they're pretending

00:17:45.240 they hate it because Trump did it.

00:17:46.560 And the controversy was that we were leaving our Kurdish allies to basically meet a lot of

00:17:52.580 gunfire from the invading Turkish forces.

00:17:54.600 My big, strong, hard line take on Syria was, hey, close your eyes and pick out Syria on 0.96

00:18:01.180 a map.

00:18:01.560 Do you know where it is?

00:18:02.460 Hey, close your eyes.

00:18:03.440 And can you name any of the countries around Syria?

00:18:05.620 Okay.

00:18:05.960 I'll give you one, Turkey. 0.94

00:18:07.160 Can you name where Turkey is around Syria?

00:18:09.000 No, probably not.

00:18:10.060 The situation is much, much more complicated than both sides are pretending that it is.

00:18:14.240 And so that's my, that's my big, strong take.

00:18:16.460 The mainstream media, though, obviously taking the side against President Trump here.

00:18:19.800 They played a video on ABC of the crisis in Syria, so it says new developments, crisis

00:18:25.020 in Syria, ISIS prisoners escape as death toll rises.

00:18:28.640 And they run a report of this really horrific looking footage, allegedly showing the Kurds 1.00

00:18:34.600 being shelled like hellfire raining down from heaven by the Turkish forces. 0.56

00:18:41.540 Here's the report.

00:18:42.260 There's just one little problem with the report, but here's the report.

00:18:44.320 This video, obtained by ABC News, appears to show the fury of the Turkish attack on the

00:18:51.720 border town of Tel Aviv, a border town bombarded by Turkey's military.

00:18:56.380 This video right here appearing to show Turkey's military bombing Kurd civilians in a Syrian border

00:19:01.780 town, the Kurds who fought alongside the U.S. against ISIS.

00:19:06.200 Now, horrific reports of atrocities committed by Turkish-backed fighters on those very allies.

00:19:14.320 That looks pretty bad, right?

00:19:16.220 Yeah, it does look really, really bad.

00:19:18.640 Only problem is that video was not taken of that Kurdish town.

00:19:25.100 That video is not from Syria at all.

00:19:28.920 That video is not from this year.

00:19:32.300 That video is not from that continent.

00:19:35.140 That video was taken from a Kentucky gun show in 2017.

00:19:41.880 Those images you're seeing, that's Kentucky, and it's people shooting a bunch of guns and

00:19:46.460 firearms at a random field in Kentucky.

00:19:53.300 Only right-wingers called this out.

00:19:54.840 They said, you know, that, this doesn't look right.

00:19:57.960 ABC finally acknowledged it.

00:19:59.660 Did they acknowledge it in a big on-air report on ABC News and primetime?

00:20:04.780 No, no, no.

00:20:05.860 They sent out a statement.

00:20:07.600 They posted a statement.

00:20:08.360 They said, quote, we've taken down video that aired on World News Tonight Sunday and Good

00:20:12.260 Morning America this morning that appeared to be from the Syrian border immediately after

00:20:16.140 questions were raised about its accuracy.

00:20:18.460 ABC News regrets the error.

00:20:20.380 What do you mean it appeared to be from the Syrian border?

00:20:22.660 You don't know.

00:20:23.060 You got video of guns being shot.

00:20:25.840 That's what you got.

00:20:27.360 And after questions were raised, it's not after questions were raised.

00:20:30.200 We know, we have the video.

00:20:31.960 The video is from a Kentucky gun show.

00:20:33.240 So, hey, we ran a fake news report and we're not actually going to apologize for it or retract

00:20:39.120 the report because we're fake news.

00:20:43.300 This is what they do.

00:20:44.180 They run the fake story on page one.

00:20:46.120 They run the correction on page 375.

00:20:48.920 They run the fake story on television and then they post the retraction in a tweet.

00:20:55.340 Maybe, maybe we should question what the mainstream media tell us about foreign affairs,

00:20:59.920 about domestic policy, maybe even about the president of the United States.

00:21:05.760 Ironically, I can't believe I'm saying this.

00:21:08.160 I'm giving him so much credit.

00:21:09.880 The most honest person in politics right now, I think, is Beto O'Rourke.

00:21:16.300 Certainly nobody in the news.

00:21:17.860 It's not a news person.

00:21:19.480 It's not, not a Hollywood celebrity.

00:21:21.320 It's not a, not a real politician. 1.00

00:21:22.920 It's an at-of-work politician named Beto O'Rourke because Beto O'Rourke is saying a lot of stupid 1.00

00:21:28.800 things. 0.99

00:21:29.700 He's making a lot of untrue statements, but he's honest because he is actually showing

00:21:36.340 the logical conclusions of leftist policies.

00:21:39.060 So he was called out.

00:21:39.820 He raised some firestorm because he was too honest during the LGBTQ town hall on CNN.

00:21:45.860 And during that town hall, he was asked, would you take away tax exempt status from churches

00:21:51.360 that don't go along with leftist ideology?

00:21:56.180 And he said, yeah, absolutely.

00:21:58.120 If you don't go along with leftist ideology and, and whatever the new definition of marriage

00:22:02.260 is today and whatever the new version of gender ideology is today, then we're going 0.78

00:22:06.100 to take away your tax exemption.

00:22:07.360 We're going to try to bankrupt you.

00:22:08.460 We'll make you face consequences. 0.78

00:22:10.140 So this caught flack, not because people disagreed with him.

00:22:13.500 Most of the candidates at that CNN debate agreed with the statement.

00:22:17.520 It's because he put it too honestly, put it too bluntly.

00:22:20.340 It was in too stark terms.

00:22:21.940 So Beto O'Rourke was asked about this on MSNBC, MSNBC basically saying, Beto, Beto, cut

00:22:26.840 it out, man.

00:22:27.500 Don't let, don't tell them what we're really up to.

00:22:30.280 And Beto O'Rourke, to his credit, doubles down.

00:22:33.540 To be clear, you are free to believe anything that you want to in this country, to associate

00:22:39.840 with whom you please, to practice your faith as you best see fit, but you are not allowed

00:22:46.500 to discriminate against people in this country, to violate their civil rights or their human

00:22:51.820 rights.

00:22:52.480 I love the but.

00:22:53.720 Look, you're, you're allowed to practice your religion, but, and that's that but, makes 0.96

00:22:58.920 him a butthead, but you're not really allowed to.

00:23:02.380 You're not allowed to discriminate.

00:23:03.760 What, what does that word mean in the context of religion?

00:23:06.360 You're not allowed to discriminate.

00:23:09.120 I mean, ideas discriminate.

00:23:12.200 If you hold one idea, you are necessarily discriminating against other ideas.

00:23:15.680 If you believe in one God, you are discriminating against other gods.

00:23:19.620 So if you, let's say you got a church and you don't worship Allah and you don't invite 1.00

00:23:26.420 people in who worship Allah because you're a Methodist.

00:23:29.220 So you, you worship the Methodist conception of God.

00:23:32.600 Um, is that, I guess that's discrimination.

00:23:37.280 You're going to be shut down.

00:23:38.640 Let's use the gender or the sex example.

00:23:41.700 In the Catholic church, there are priests.

00:23:44.360 There have always been priests.

00:23:45.700 There have never been priestesses.

00:23:47.220 Women can't be priests. 1.00

00:23:48.400 They can be nuns. 0.61

00:23:49.540 They can do a lot of things.

00:23:52.160 They can't be priests.

00:23:53.780 Well, that's discrimination. 0.61

00:23:55.300 So is Fedor working to shut down the Catholic church?

00:23:58.180 Yeah, it sounds like he would.

00:23:59.420 He would try to.

00:23:59.940 I don't, I don't think he'd win.

00:24:01.840 Catholic church has endured a little bit longer than, uh, than could be taken down by

00:24:07.120 a one-term congressman or more than a one-term congressman, but now an ex-congressman.

00:24:11.040 I don't, I think the church would probably win out.

00:24:13.560 I, some people are calling on Beto O'Rourke to change his tune.

00:24:16.320 I don't want him to change his tune.

00:24:17.480 I'm glad that he's telling us what he really thinks.

00:24:19.700 He's telling us what the left really thinks.

00:24:21.860 And he's telling us what the left thinks, not just about this issue of gender ideology.

00:24:26.100 He's telling us what they think about religion.

00:24:28.700 Because here's the key, here's the key specific.

00:24:32.740 Beto O'Rourke says people are free to practice their religion within their churches.

00:24:39.860 Once you go outside the church, though, all bets are off.

00:24:42.060 There's a lot of concern that a policy like that, even people of good conscience who agree

00:24:46.060 with you on the underlying point, that conservative black churches, mosques, Islamic organizations,

00:24:52.360 Orthodox Jewish communities, a number of religiously affiliated HBCUs, they could all lose their

00:24:57.020 tax-exempt status under such a plan.

00:24:59.700 To be specific, the way that you practice your religion or your faith within that mosque

00:25:06.340 or that temple or synagogue or church, that is your business and not the government's business.

00:25:12.360 But when you are providing services in the public sphere, say higher education or healthcare

00:25:18.200 or adoption services, and you discriminate or deny equal treatment under the law based

00:25:24.440 on someone's skin color or ethnicity or gender or sexual orientation, then we have a problem.

00:25:32.160 So Beto O'Rourke has really, really confused thinking here.

00:25:36.080 He hasn't really thought through these things at all.

00:25:38.360 But I give him credit because the line is that, look, the left always knocks on the churches,

00:25:43.020 but they're usually pretty quiet about the mosques.

00:25:45.660 So they'll accuse Christians of all sorts of terrible bigotry and awful terrible things. 0.61

00:25:49.800 They usually lay off the Muslims who are, you know, frankly, a little more hardcore on some 0.79

00:25:54.360 of these issues.

00:25:56.020 Beto goes for it.

00:25:56.840 He says, yeah, mosques, historically black churches, any socially conservative institution,

00:26:01.540 we're going after all of them.

00:26:03.320 Now, he says you're free to practice your religion as you want within your church.

00:26:06.660 That contradicts what he just previously said, which is if the church is discriminating,

00:26:11.220 then you can't practice it.

00:26:12.400 You know, I mean, if the church isn't going to officiate gay weddings, same-sex weddings,

00:26:17.420 then they're going to lose their tax exemption.

00:26:19.100 Well, the same-sex weddings take place inside the church.

00:26:22.060 So he's contradicting himself there.

00:26:25.900 But then he says again, look, if you, whatever you do inside the church is fine, but whatever

00:26:30.360 you do inside the public sphere, that's not fine.

00:26:32.720 The church is the public sphere.

00:26:34.060 The church is not private.

00:26:35.020 You don't have, most people don't have private chapels in their homes.

00:26:38.000 And even if they do, you have to bring in people from the outside because the church

00:26:40.860 is about community.

00:26:41.880 That is public.

00:26:42.820 But according to Beto O'Rourke, the government controls everything that is public.

00:26:47.200 And the private sphere is just this tiny little thing.

00:26:51.600 This is in no way what the founding fathers thought about religion.

00:26:56.180 The founding fathers did not believe that freedom of religion meant you could go inside

00:27:01.720 a building once a week and think what you wanted to think.

00:27:04.480 But the minute you left, you didn't have that freedom.

00:27:06.900 Religious practice is not just going to church every so often.

00:27:09.620 Religious practice is a 24-7 thing.

00:27:14.600 We lose sight of that these days because religion has declined dramatically in America.

00:27:19.680 Religious practice isn't just from 10 a.m. to 11 a.m. on Sunday.

00:27:23.960 It's all week long.

00:27:25.360 It is how you live your life.

00:27:27.360 We have religious liberty to allow people not to have a nice alternative to brunch on Sunday.

00:27:32.500 We have religious liberty because people want to live their lives according to their consciences

00:27:39.760 and according to their God.

00:27:43.540 The left doesn't understand that.

00:27:45.220 Beto O'Rourke doesn't understand that.

00:27:46.600 He doesn't understand a lot of things, but at least he's honest about his thoughts.

00:27:50.060 We have got to say goodbye to Facebook and YouTube.

00:27:52.900 We have got an incredible guest coming up, though.

00:27:55.180 Peter Benjamin.

00:27:56.520 Peter Benjamin is a man who lived with gender confusion for much of his life.

00:28:02.240 He got involved in cross-dressing for many years.

00:28:06.280 He ultimately was told by doctors that he had gender dysphoria.

00:28:09.520 He was transgender.

00:28:10.480 He went through the surgery.

00:28:12.160 The cost of 10,000 pounds, so around $15,000 to the UK government, it didn't solve his problems.

00:28:20.520 In some ways, it made it worse.

00:28:21.760 Seven years later, he decided to get out of that and detransition. 0.82

00:28:25.640 It's a story you won't see in the mainstream media, but we will bring it to you

00:28:29.340 as the left embraces this radical gender ideology du jour.

00:28:33.360 We will show you the other side from people who actually know something about it.

00:28:37.760 That's going to be after the break.

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00:29:04.680 We'll be right back with a lot more.

00:29:16.360 My guest right now is Peter Benjamin.

00:29:18.840 You know, I don't do guests a lot on the show, but I just had to bring Peter on because his

00:29:23.900 story is so incredible, and what he's gone through is so harrowing, and his story is not

00:29:30.640 being told by the mainstream media.

00:29:32.340 In fact, it's being completely covered up.

00:29:34.740 I spoke to Peter yesterday when I was filling in on Ben's radio show, and unfortunately, we

00:29:39.840 got cut off.

00:29:40.600 We can only speak for a short amount of time, so I wanted to bring him back on my show today.

00:29:45.520 Peter is now 60.

00:29:47.120 He served in the British Army from the age of 16 to 20, and he went through the transgender 1.00

00:29:53.160 surgery in September of 2015 at a private hospital in London.

00:30:00.200 This was after years of beginning the process of transitioning, and he is now in the process

00:30:06.780 of detransitioning out of that.

00:30:09.080 Peter, thank you so much for being here.

00:30:11.300 Hello, Michael.

00:30:12.060 Good afternoon.

00:30:12.860 How are you?

00:30:13.420 I'm doing very well.

00:30:14.700 I was so sorry that we got cut off yesterday on the radio.

00:30:18.060 I wanted to, I know my audience would love to hear your story because they're not seeing

00:30:23.680 it in a lot of other places.

00:30:25.700 Just in a nutshell, I know it's hard to sum up that many decades of life.

00:30:31.560 How did you find yourself pulled into this kind of gender ideology, and what made you go 0.96

00:30:38.760 through with the surgery, and how did you get out of it?

00:30:42.420 I cross-dressed for many years, which meant weekends or evenings, I'd put on women's clothes 0.98

00:30:49.180 and go out.

00:30:49.880 I was married, but I started in the 80s cross-dressing.

00:30:54.400 And this carried on for many years, and in 2011, my wife died, and I was still cross-dressing.

00:31:04.340 And then there was this surge of people changing gender, and it was on social media, it was

00:31:10.120 in the press, it was online, on Google, and I was reading all this stuff.

00:31:14.600 And I was suffering with depression, anxiety, I had suicidal thoughts.

00:31:21.440 And I went to my GP, and I said to her, I want to change gender. 0.54

00:31:28.780 It came across, you know, I thought, I need to change gender. 0.98

00:31:32.420 I was living on my own.

00:31:33.420 I was also drinking heavily, drinking lots of alcohol, and I made that decision to change gender.

00:31:39.880 So she went away and told me to go and live the real life test for a month, which I did.

00:31:45.760 And then I was sent to a local registrar's psychiatrist, who cut a long story short, said

00:31:51.080 I had no underlying mental health problems.

00:31:52.740 Well, I did.

00:31:53.780 My wife hadn't long died.

00:31:55.360 I was on hormone medication.

00:31:58.300 I'm not hormones, I was on antidepressants, I was on all sorts of medication, and I was drinking

00:32:03.460 heavily.

00:32:04.480 So I had underlying medical problems, anxiety being one of them, and depression.

00:32:08.200 He referred me on to the Gender Identity Clinic in London, but I couldn't wait, because 0.53

00:32:15.540 the alcohol, an alcoholic can't wait, and they become addictive.

00:32:19.560 I've got an addictive personality.

00:32:21.900 So I paid for private consultation, and it cost me a lot of money.

00:32:28.260 Then I was referred under the NHS to the Gender Identity Clinic.

00:32:32.220 I saw the same doctor I'd saw privately, twice.

00:32:35.440 And then I saw another doctor, and he said, I'm referring you forward to surgery.

00:32:40.460 But in between, I'd been to a transgender, I was having transgender counselling for a local

00:32:45.580 support group.

00:32:47.000 And my counsellor never once told me, I'm doing the wrong thing.

00:32:51.560 As a matter of fact, he said, you're doing the right thing.

00:32:54.600 You're going down the road, you're doing the right thing.

00:32:56.500 This transgender support group gets money from the lottery funding, it gets money from the

00:33:04.480 Police and Crime Commissioner to run.

00:33:06.820 Now, a lot of people there have underlying mental health conditions, all mental health

00:33:10.460 conditions, but they're still encouraged to go forward for surgery.

00:33:14.780 I then lived as a, I had my surgery in 2015.

00:33:20.700 I saw my surgeon, I was referred to the surgery, and I had to go on to a private waiting list,

00:33:26.640 because the NHS waiting list was full up.

00:33:28.780 And if they breached, they would have been fined a lot of money.

00:33:31.880 I saw my surgeon once, he explained what the operation was going to be.

00:33:35.400 And then I was booked in for December the 15th, 2015.

00:33:41.300 I went, I went for my surgery.

00:33:44.040 Afterwards, I lived in a flat on my own.

00:33:46.840 I wasn't, I wasn't happy about it.

00:33:49.140 I didn't feel happy about having my surgery.

00:33:51.720 Um, but I carried on my life.

00:33:54.040 Now, part of my, I say why I had the surgery, part of it was that I thought I could mingle in

00:34:00.500 with other women, go out to ladies that do lunch, go out, um, you know, socially and

00:34:05.900 stuff like that.

00:34:06.660 That never happened.

00:34:08.280 That, that did not happen.

00:34:10.720 My, I didn't have a circle of friends, of female friends.

00:34:13.340 It just didn't happen.

00:34:15.420 And I lived, I lived a lonely life of my own.

00:34:18.540 I moved to where I lived in the first place.

00:34:22.280 But again, that circle of friends that I had before, as a, before my surgery, they didn't

00:34:29.080 want to know me.

00:34:30.500 And I was living a life on my own.

00:34:34.060 So I do what I enjoy these days, walking, swimming, cycling, stuff like that.

00:34:40.180 In, so this was 2015.

00:34:42.460 I moved to where I live now in 2017.

00:34:46.880 In, on Good Friday, um, this year, I met a lady when I was out in my local shopping center.

00:34:54.840 I was out evangelizing, telling people about Jesus.

00:34:57.360 And she came up to me and said, who is Pete?

00:35:00.840 I said, that used to be me.

00:35:02.620 Now I was going to church, but I barely knew this lady.

00:35:05.900 And she said, you know, God doesn't want you to be Victoria.

00:35:10.060 And I said, yes, he's been telling me the same, but I wasn't listening.

00:35:13.280 I just wasn't listening.

00:35:15.320 And I knew God had been telling me this clearly.

00:35:18.300 So I came home, sat down, thought about it.

00:35:21.340 I thought, she's right.

00:35:22.380 I've got, I can't disobey God's word, voice anymore.

00:35:25.220 So I packed everything away.

00:35:27.940 I literally packed all my female clothes away, but I had no men's clothes.

00:35:32.700 So I had to go out to a charity shops and buy what I needed and everything else.

00:35:37.980 And I had no men's shoes.

00:35:39.480 I had trainers.

00:35:40.200 So I wore them and gradually built up my male wardrobes.

00:35:43.700 I had to go into work to tell them that I'd be transitioned back to male.

00:35:48.080 And this is my name.

00:35:49.040 So I went all through that, but I also had changed churches since I saw that lady.

00:35:55.920 And there was two ladies at my new church who I barely knew, who said that they'd been

00:36:00.680 praying for me to come back to be Pete.

00:36:04.300 My pastor also said, someone in this church has got wolves on their back.

00:36:08.680 He was speaking to me.

00:36:10.280 It was like a bolt in my heart.

00:36:13.220 So I went and did all that, but I also found that I went to a house of prayer, not in my local

00:36:18.480 area, in another area.

00:36:20.660 I also found out this church and the house of prayer had been praying for me as well.

00:36:25.120 So I had all these people praying for me and I didn't know.

00:36:28.180 And it was really powerful.

00:36:30.140 And I came to churches, Pete, and I was, but all the time I was, as Victoria, I was loved.

00:36:37.940 As Pete, I am loved by my church and it's fantastic.

00:36:41.280 And I just feel so much better now.

00:36:45.020 It's like a big weight has been lifted off me.

00:36:47.660 It's gone.

00:36:48.520 It's completely gone.

00:36:50.620 The medication has had side effects on me from being on the female hormones, but I'm

00:36:57.520 not on antidepressants anymore.

00:36:59.260 I'm not on anxiety tablets anymore.

00:37:01.280 They've all gone, completely gone.

00:37:03.720 And I was told I need to go back to the gender identity clinic to sort out the dysphoria.

00:37:10.240 There is no dysphoria.

00:37:11.640 My mind has been renewed.

00:37:13.320 It's completely gone.

00:37:15.000 It's completely vanished.

00:37:15.960 That's an incredible journey.

00:37:20.880 I mean, I'm so sorry to hear all the things you had to go through.

00:37:24.380 And I'm very glad to hear that it seems to have worked out in the end.

00:37:29.720 In terms of that moment that you came back, I mean, I guess there are two moments I want

00:37:37.820 to ask you about.

00:37:38.500 The moment where you have the surgery and you kind of go all the way through to appear

00:37:44.400 like a woman and to identify then as a woman.

00:37:48.140 Yes.

00:37:48.320 Did it, did it meet your expectations in terms of how you felt in your own body?

00:37:54.200 Obviously it didn't meet your social expectations, but did it, did you feel like a woman after

00:38:00.300 the surgery or no?

00:38:01.780 No, I didn't feel like a woman at all. 0.87

00:38:05.540 I just felt like I always had done as Pete, except I hadn't had my male genitalia, but 0.94

00:38:11.120 I did not feel like a woman one bit. 0.99

00:38:13.860 As a matter of fact, it caused more problems.

00:38:17.300 I used to, now I can walk out my front door and do what I want to do.

00:38:21.160 But then it would take me an hour, maybe half an hour to get out that door.

00:38:26.380 I was so anxious, so nervous going to face the simple thing, like going to the shops.

00:38:30.760 I could not do it.

00:38:32.340 And, um, it, it, it just, um, it's happened.

00:38:37.100 I was on all these tablets as well, um, for the anxiety, but no, I didn't feel like a woman 0.98

00:38:42.880 at all.

00:38:43.960 I was, I felt like, you know, there was no difference in me.

00:38:47.820 I just, it was a chore at the end of the day to put the clothes on.

00:38:51.160 But it, it, it was a routine that I had, but it was more of a chore.

00:38:57.360 There was no, there was no feelings whatsoever.

00:39:00.460 And my doctor said to me, when I went and told her I reverted my gender or re, changed

00:39:06.560 back to man, she said it was a sexual thing.

00:39:08.820 It was lust.

00:39:10.100 I said, yes, it was.

00:39:11.500 It was sexual.

00:39:12.840 It was lust.

00:39:14.260 And she was right.

00:39:15.600 She, she was, yeah, she hit the nail on the head. 0.95

00:39:18.760 Did it, I think what, what was it?

00:39:21.140 What some people would say, the people who are still pushing this transgender, uh, surgery 0.52

00:39:27.020 and, and transgender movement for everybody is they would say, well, you know, this is

00:39:31.660 just evidence that society needs to be better at, uh, considering people who have had this

00:39:38.640 gender surgery to be, really be the gender that they are now identifying as.

00:39:43.480 Do you think that's the issue or do you think the issue is really deeper down that deep down

00:39:48.460 you knew that you were Pete and you weren't really Victoria and that's why you feel better

00:39:54.160 about it?

00:39:54.600 No, it wasn't that I, before the surgery, I felt like Victoria.

00:40:01.120 I, I would, I felt about even after, yeah, I felt as a woman.

00:40:08.420 When I used to cross dress, I felt as a woman.

00:40:11.440 Um, but how does a woman feel? 1.00

00:40:13.400 How, how I can't explain how a woman feels. 1.00

00:40:16.000 I can't explain that because my DNA hasn't been changed.

00:40:19.800 I've always been a man inside, but how does a woman feel? 1.00

00:40:23.240 I couldn't feel that sort of thing.

00:40:26.020 Um, inside.

00:40:27.000 Yeah.

00:40:27.140 It's nice putting on the nice dresses and looking nice and smart.

00:40:30.420 And I did have some nice clothes, but how does a woman feel? 1.00

00:40:35.680 I don't know.

00:40:36.520 Cause I've never, I wasn't born a woman.

00:40:38.660 And so, right, right.

00:40:40.260 I mean, this, what, what, I mean, I'm so glad that you have, have now found peace in

00:40:46.640 all of that, having had to go through hell basically and come back out the other side.

00:40:50.740 Although now we're, I mean, when we're talking about these gender identity issues, it seems

00:40:56.280 to me we know basically nothing about it.

00:40:59.020 And, uh, people are now pushing this ideology on not just adult men and encouraging them to

00:41:04.800 get the surgery and encouraging them to identify as the opposite sex. 0.99

00:41:09.120 They're, they're also now pushing this on children.

00:41:11.680 I mean, children in the single digits, what, uh, where does this come from?

00:41:17.580 And, and, uh, do you have any, any warning, any message for, for the doctors and the parents

00:41:23.140 and the children who might be going through this?

00:41:25.380 Yes.

00:41:26.040 A lot of warnings, but I don't know where the children, where the children idea came from,

00:41:30.940 but the internet doesn't help.

00:41:33.440 And the children are watching programs.

00:41:35.420 Like if I go on my phone and I've got an app for my television programs, the first thing

00:41:40.040 I see is something like RuPaul, RuPaul's Drag Race on there.

00:41:43.360 Children are watching programs like that.

00:41:45.580 There's loads of programs on people on English television about transgender and children are

00:41:52.280 watching it and they're getting glamorized by it.

00:41:54.820 And children are doing harm to themselves.

00:41:58.420 They're, um, the medication that they're on, they're going to have, when the girls get 0.98

00:42:04.780 older, they'll have to have hysterectomies, um, when they become 18 or whatever, boys will

00:42:10.880 have to, will be impudent. 0.53

00:42:12.620 They won't be able to maintain an erection.

00:42:15.180 There's all the problems of blood clots, cardiac problems.

00:42:18.740 I'm not a doctor, but this is, um, liver problems, kidney problems.

00:42:23.300 There's going to be all sorts of problems as they grow older.

00:42:26.400 Why can't they just let children be who they are and grow up?

00:42:30.800 Yeah, they go in the, I went in the dressing up box and I put on, um, my old dad's army

00:42:35.580 uniforms, but I don't go around wearing army uniform all the time now, but why can't they

00:42:41.280 let children grow up? 0.93

00:42:42.820 And parents should watch out, um, what they're letting their children watch.

00:42:47.060 It's the world wide web.

00:42:48.420 I was taken in by, um, what I saw on the, on the, on the websites on pro, on things like

00:42:57.140 that.

00:42:57.580 I wasn't in, I was ill at the time and I was taken in by all this.

00:43:02.060 And this is what's happening to children and other transgender people. 0.99

00:43:06.020 It split my marriage up.

00:43:07.520 My children were affected by it because of what I did.

00:43:10.320 I was really selfish for what I did.

00:43:13.340 Um, and I live to regret it now.

00:43:16.840 So.

00:43:17.320 Well, it sounds, I mean, obviously, you know, people, uh, people have all sorts of regrets.

00:43:23.380 It sounds though, like you've, uh, you've come to a place that is one of, uh, peace and,

00:43:28.860 uh, uh, uh, being a little more, uh, accepting of, of who you are and your identity.

00:43:35.320 I am Michael.

00:43:36.440 I'm so much at peace now with myself.

00:43:38.300 I feel so much better in myself.

00:43:41.020 Um, it's just amazing.

00:43:42.620 It's just amazing what's happened.

00:43:44.060 Well, it's amazing, it's, it's really, it's an amazing story and as, uh, sorry as I am

00:43:50.300 to hear that you had, you had to suffer so much along the way, physically and emotionally,

00:43:54.360 there is a, uh, there is, I suppose, a hope that your suffering could show people and give

00:44:02.320 people a warning and, and shed some light on this issue, which is really being, uh, twisted

00:44:08.380 and, and you're really only seeing one side of it in the mainstream media and it's having

00:44:11.900 real effects, not just on adults, but on, on children.

00:44:15.080 Uh, Peter, thank you so much.

00:44:16.300 I, uh, I'll, I'll let you go.

00:44:17.720 I've taken up much of your time already, but thank you so much, uh, and best of luck and,

00:44:23.460 uh, God bless my friend.

00:44:25.020 God bless.

00:44:25.540 Thank you, Michael.

00:44:26.400 All right.

00:44:26.840 All the best.

00:44:27.240 See you again.

00:44:27.700 Bye.

00:44:28.240 Bye.

00:44:28.460 That is, uh, Peter Benjamin, incredible, incredible story.

00:44:31.820 And there are, you know, on the Candace Owens show, she just interviewed Walt Heyer,

00:44:35.700 who is another guy who identified as the opposite sex for about the same period of time.

00:44:40.620 I think about eight years and regretted it.

00:44:43.160 And it, it actually, I believe it made his, his depression and anxiety, suicidal thoughts

00:44:47.720 worse.

00:44:48.160 And now he's out of it and he feels much more at peace.

00:44:50.560 That's the other side of the story that you won't hear in the mainstream media, because

00:44:53.940 that's the difference between truth and fake news.

00:44:56.380 We got a lot more to get to.

00:44:57.320 We'll have to do it tomorrow.

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The Michael Knowles Show - October 15, 2019

Ep. 432 - Real Journalists Expose Fake News

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