The Michael Knowles Show - Ep. 457 - Talking Turkey At Thanksgiving

00:00:00.000 It's Thanksgiving and you know what that means. Pumpkin pie and mashed potatoes and a bunch of

00:00:06.400 insufferable leftist think pieces preparing liberals to suffer the torture of speaking

00:00:12.240 to a single conservative even once, even one they're related to, even for just a couple hours. 0.97

00:00:17.600 However, however, can we possibly expect liberals to talk to their crazy Republican uncles at the 0.95

00:00:24.080 dinner table? Well, as a crazy right-wing uncle myself, we will examine how liberals talk about 0.95

00:00:30.440 talking to us. Then President Trump pardons turkeys and CNN spreads lies about our brave

00:00:36.300 forefathers who sailed on the Mayflower and founded America. We will correct the Thanksgiving record.

00:00:41.880 And as if Thanksgiving weren't hard enough for her already,

00:00:45.840 Liawatha Liz Warren gets some bad polling news heading into the holiday. 0.99

00:00:49.600 All that and more. I'm Michael Knowles and this is the Michael Knowles Show.

00:00:54.080 How are they going to do it? How are our poor left-wing relatives possibly going to endure

00:01:07.020 the torture and suffering of having to speak to conservative relatives at the Thanksgiving table?

00:01:12.920 That is the question posed by left-wing outlets every single year. This year from Alternet,

00:01:19.820 how to talk impeachment with your right-wing uncle over the holidays. That's me, by the way,

00:01:24.080 that right. That entire piece is about me. The Independent, how to deal with your Trump-loving

00:01:29.360 uncle this holiday season. Market Watch, this is from Market Watch Opinion, how to win every economic

00:01:36.080 and political argument with your family this Thanksgiving. Now, Market Watch, in their

00:01:40.040 headline, they try to make it seem like it's balanced, like it could go either for the left

00:01:43.400 or for the right. But then you read the article, you realize it's all just about how to deal with

00:01:46.880 your crazy conservative uncle. It's all just about how to refute right-wing arguments. 0.71

00:01:51.300 Also from Market Watch, how to talk about the economy with your family at Thanksgiving.

00:01:55.900 Same thing. It seems like it's balanced, but it's actually just about how to refute

00:01:59.540 conservatives. That piece begins, if your uncle corners you at Thanksgiving dinner, you know,

00:02:04.200 corners you, like all us conservative uncles do, and starts talking about how the U.S. economy

00:02:09.760 is the best it's ever been. What should you do? How should you respond? Beyond the think pieces,

00:02:14.840 Bernie Sanders himself has some advice on how to deal with your conservative uncle at Thanksgiving.

00:02:20.340 If you're going home and getting nervous about arguing with your mom or your dad or your aunt

00:02:27.400 or your uncle, I think the point to be made is that what we are fighting for, the values that we

00:02:35.820 are fighting for, are really not new values. I mean, they go back literally thousands of years.

00:02:41.020 The right that we treat each other the way we want to be treated.

00:02:45.080 That's what we want to do. We want to treat each other the way that we want to be treated. But it's

00:02:49.900 all, think about the premise of this. The premise is you're nervous about talking to your mom or your

00:02:54.720 dad or your uncle because they might be conservative. And you've never talked to any conservatives. So

00:02:58.660 how on earth are you possibly going to do that? Well, you've got it so, so important. How about in

00:03:03.800 the past from the LA Times? What to do if your crazy right-wing uncle comes to Thanksgiving? What to do 0.95

00:03:09.140 if he comes to Thanksgiving? You're hoping that the conservative relatives don't even show up. They're

00:03:14.560 not even expected in polite society. They shouldn't be here at all. But if they do, oh, you got to deal

00:03:20.480 with that. You got to deal with having a relative who has a different political view than yours. Here's

00:03:24.180 how you can talk to him. Salon Magazine. How to argue with your right-wing relatives. How to argue

00:03:29.680 with them. That's what Thanksgiving is all about is picking fights with your right-wing relatives.

00:03:34.000 Mother Jones, you won't change your cranky conservative uncle in one dinner conversation. That

00:03:39.560 old crank, you know, that old cranky conservative. New York Times, how to have a conversation with your

00:03:44.740 crazy uncle over the holidays. Are conservatives really the angry ones here? Are conservatives really 0.92

00:03:53.420 the crazy ones, the crazed ones? Because if I, if all I had to go on were just those headlines from all 0.91

00:03:59.460 those newspapers and magazines and Bernie Sanders, if that's all I had to go on, I would say it's

00:04:05.300 actually the leftists that are the angry ones. I would say the only people who seem crazed here

00:04:10.520 are the left-wingers. You'll notice that you never see articles the other way around.

00:04:18.720 I have seen scores, if not hundreds of articles, probably hundreds that say how to deal with your 0.97

00:04:25.460 crazy Republican uncle. I don't know that I've ever seen an article that says how to deal with your 0.89

00:04:31.260 crazy liberal niece. If maybe one or two, maybe I don't even have any recollection of that. It only 0.92

00:04:38.540 goes in one direction. It's advice for liberals on how to deal with their conservative relatives.

00:04:44.940 And it always describes the conservative relatives as crazed and angry, but that's because the left

00:04:50.660 projects, whatever's true of them, they project onto others. Why all the articles? Why do the

00:04:57.620 articles only go in one direction? They need the articles because they actually can't refute our

00:05:05.760 arguments. We will get into this a little bit more. We'll get into the real studies on whether

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00:07:31.540 advantage of this limited time offer. Why do leftists need all of these think pieces? Why do 0.51

00:07:38.180 they need help talking to their conservative uncle at the dinner table? The reason is they don't know

00:07:45.080 how to refute our arguments. We don't need articles about how to talk to leftists because

00:07:49.580 we talk to leftists all the time. We talk to leftists every single day in corporate America,

00:07:55.020 at the university, when we go to the movies, when we go watch TV, when we read the newspaper. We are

00:08:00.660 aware of left-wing arguments. If we persist in our conservatism, it's because we've answered them.

00:08:05.320 We know how to refute them. The left doesn't do that. And actually, moreover, the left needs the

00:08:10.700 articles because they don't even understand our arguments. They don't know what our arguments are.

00:08:16.120 John Haidt, the social scientist, did a study a number of years ago which showed that conservatives,

00:08:23.140 generally speaking, understand liberal arguments. But liberals do not understand conservative

00:08:29.020 arguments. They just don't really get where we're coming from. And so, to the left, we seem cranky

00:08:34.380 and crazy and angry. It just doesn't make any sense to them. Therefore, they can read these articles

00:08:41.280 and try to figure out at least some way how to even grasp what we're getting at. Obviously,

00:08:47.520 they're not going to do a very good job at refuting our arguments. That's why they need a new article

00:08:51.180 every single year. But then the question is, why bring it up at all? Who wants to talk about

00:08:56.240 politics at the Thanksgiving dinner table? These hardcore leftists have to talk about politics 1.00

00:09:02.860 at the dinner table because they don't have religion. What is Thanksgiving? We'll get into

00:09:08.720 the history of Thanksgiving in a second. Thanksgiving is when you come together as a family and you

00:09:13.040 give thanks to God for all of the blessings that you share. The first Thanksgiving was shared

00:09:18.560 by the Native American Indians in America and the pilgrims who came from England through Leiden

00:09:26.740 to Plymouth and they were giving thanks to God. These were Christian zealots for all the blessings

00:09:33.060 that they had. That's what we are recreating every year on Thanksgiving. The left doesn't have

00:09:37.460 traditional religion and so for the left, politics is religion. And so, just as we would practice our

00:09:43.960 Christian religion at the Thanksgiving table and give thanks to God and to Providence and just

00:09:49.380 enjoy all the blessings we have, so too the left must proselytize their own false and political

00:09:55.040 religion. But despite all the left-wing think pieces, it turns out most people don't get into

00:10:01.780 fights at the Thanksgiving dinner table over politics. There was a study that came out just a

00:10:06.700 couple years ago, Huffington Post, YouGov survey showed that, do you know how many Americans

00:10:11.100 say that they get into fights at the dinner table? 3%. 3% of Americans say that it is very likely that

00:10:19.640 they will get into a political fight at the Thanksgiving dinner table. 8% say it's somewhat

00:10:24.680 likely. That's it. That's all. 3% at the most, 8%. Most of us are having a good time, but the people

00:10:31.780 who are not having a good time, the people who are getting into these fights are the most hardcore

00:10:36.440 leftists who write at Alternet and the New York Times and the LA Times and Huffington Post.

00:10:42.280 Very sorry for them. Very sad sort of state of affairs for, for them. But the rest of us are

00:10:48.440 going to have a very good Thanksgiving. Speaking of a good Thanksgiving, you know, I caught a little

00:10:53.560 bit of flack yesterday because I opposed President Trump's decision to turn animal cruelty from a state

00:11:02.540 crime to a federal crime and I opposed it on federalist grounds and I just thought it was kind

00:11:06.440 of an inverted way to look at the moral order. So I caught some flack. People said, I don't like

00:11:10.820 animals. Well, let me tell you something. I'm a big fan of animals, especially the ones I get to eat at

00:11:17.420 the Thanksgiving table. But I actually support President Trump's decision yesterday to have some

00:11:22.060 leniency on animals and to pardon the two Thanksgiving turkeys, bread and butter. He did an absolute great

00:11:29.440 job at the pardon. Here he is. Thankfully, bread and butter have been specially raised by the Jacksons 1.00

00:11:36.340 to remain calm under any condition, which will be very important because they've already received

00:11:42.540 subpoenas to appear in Adam Schiff's basement on Thursday. It's true. Hundreds of people have.

00:11:52.240 It seems the Democrats are accusing me of being too soft on Turkey, but bread and butter. I should note

00:12:02.140 that unlike previous witnesses, you and I have actually met. It's very unusual.

00:12:09.920 Very unusual. In any event, I expect this pardon will be a very popular one with the media.

00:12:21.880 After all, turkeys are closely related to vultures. I don't know if I like that line, but there is a

00:12:28.980 little truth to it. I love him. I just love him. I can't help it when he does things like that. I just

00:12:36.800 love the guy. Even down to, he's got all these lines, right? The making fun of Adam Schiff,

00:12:43.340 making fun of the whole impeachment inquiry, how at least he's met the turkeys, unlike most of the 1.00

00:12:46.720 other witnesses. And then he gets that last line about the media being like vultures. And that

00:12:51.620 classic show business of Trump kicks in. He says, I don't know if I like that line. That's a little

00:12:55.640 bit weak, but whatever. I guess it's true. He's just so, what you see is what you get. It's so authentic,

00:13:00.780 really funny, great way to use the turkey pardoning tradition. So I not only support the pardon

00:13:06.100 for the turkeys, for these turkeys, bread and butter. I do support the tradition overall. We'll

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00:15:03.260 So, Trump pardoned the turkey, part of a great tradition. This began, the turkey pardoning at

00:15:08.740 the White House began, actually, as part of a lobbying campaign well over half a century ago

00:15:15.380 because the Truman administration wanted to conserve resources, so they were promoting

00:15:19.320 meatless Tuesdays and poultry-less Thursdays. That last one doesn't really roll off the tongue,

00:15:24.880 does it? It could have done meatless Mondays. That at least has alliteration, but they didn't.

00:15:29.640 Meatless Tuesdays, poultry-less Thursdays, and poultry-less Thursdays coincides with Thanksgiving,

00:15:33.920 so people were very upset. So, the industry in 1947 presented Truman with a turkey as a gift to

00:15:40.360 promote the industry. Now, this didn't technically begin the turkey pardon tradition because Truman

00:15:46.740 did not pardon the turkey. He killed the turkey and cooked it and ate it because back in those days,

00:15:51.860 Americans were real men. JFK then, well, actually, Eisenhower then continued the tradition. So,

00:15:57.220 Eisenhower continued the tradition of receiving the turkeys. He also did not pardon them. He ate

00:16:02.380 the delicious turkeys. You get to JFK. JFK, Democrat, started the tradition of not eating the turkey

00:16:10.180 in 1963. Interestingly, he pardoned the first turkey. He didn't call it a pardon, but he decided not to

00:16:17.800 eat it four days before his own assassination, and that was the beginning of this trend. But it was not

00:16:24.700 a pardon because what JFK did was he took the bird, sent it back to the farm, and he said, quote,

00:16:30.460 we'll let this one grow. So, it wasn't a part, it was a reprieve so that he could fatten the turkey

00:16:35.360 up more and eat it next year. Unfortunately, he never had the chance to. Then Nixon administration

00:16:40.420 comes along. Nixon let a few turkeys go. Then Carter refused to even accept the turkeys. He was so

00:16:47.420 hoity-toity. He thought it was a ridiculous tradition. He wouldn't even accept the gift. 0.98

00:16:51.220 The first president to pardon a turkey, the Gipper, good old Ronald Reagan. He obviously had a good

00:16:57.940 relationship with the animal kingdom. He was friends with Bonzo from that wonderful movie

00:17:02.000 Bedtime for Bonzo. So, he let the turkey go, and this was all show business, just like you saw with

00:17:06.940 President Trump. Trump uses the turkey pardon and the media circus around him to push his agenda on

00:17:14.360 impeachment. Reagan started that tradition, that show business tradition, by using the turkey pardon

00:17:19.820 to take attention off of the Iran-Contra scandal. This was in 1987, I guess, and he joked about the

00:17:26.240 turkey pardon because there was a question over whether he would pardon Oliver North during that

00:17:30.500 time. So, he used a sort of lighthearted pardon to take attention off of that. So, Reagan pardons

00:17:38.880 the turkey. Bush, one, enjoyed the turkey pardoning tradition. Clinton pardoned a couple turkeys. And then

00:17:44.700 since Bush, two, Bush, Obama, and Trump, they've all pardoned a turkey every single year. I think it's

00:17:51.820 great. I love the tradition. You know, I tend to be a little old school. I like things that are old

00:17:57.480 more than things that are new. I think modernity is really rotting out society. But sometimes,

00:18:02.460 traditions grow over time, and the newer idea is better than the older idea. I love the idea of

00:18:07.020 pardoning the turkey once a year. It's one way to come together in politics and not just be shrill and

00:18:11.780 angry all the time and get a few good digs in at your political opponents. Not everybody loves

00:18:17.460 Thanksgiving, unfortunately. I love it because I'm an American. Four of my ancestors sailed on the

00:18:23.580 Mayflower. One of them was a pilgrim. I love the holiday. CNN doesn't love it. The left doesn't love

00:18:32.120 it. CNN actually ran a piece about how everything we think we know about Thanksgiving is wrong and how

00:18:38.880 actually the leftist revisionist history is right. And what they're banking on is that nobody knows the

00:18:44.080 actual history of Thanksgiving, but they're wrong because I've been very interested in the history

00:18:48.020 of Thanksgiving for most of my life. It's not just CNN. I mean, various universities have been

00:18:54.480 teaching classes on this in recent weeks. Here is the revisionist history being pushed by CNN. Let's

00:19:02.440 see why it's wrong about our forefathers on the Mayflower. Most of American history depicts a

00:19:07.900 hospitable first Thanksgiving. 1621 grateful pilgrims in the new world offer a warm invitation to Usamequin

00:19:16.000 and members of his Wampanoag tribe. But the chairman of the Mashpee Wampanoags calls that depiction a myth.

00:19:21.640 You know, we sent 90 men over to the first settlers to see why they were shooting guns and practice in

00:19:26.780 arms to say, hey, what are you preparing for? And they were preparing for some kind of war to take our

00:19:31.680 people down. And so we sat down with them to have a discussion and let their letter feast.

00:19:37.900 None of that is true. None of that is true. I also love the whole idea. We sent our people over to

00:19:42.940 the Mayflower. I don't know. Did we send our people over to Plymouth from Leiden? I don't know. I don't

00:19:47.340 think so. We're talking about historical experiences and what they're setting up here,

00:19:53.200 what CNN and this speaker is setting up here is the idea that the natives were so terrified. They were

00:19:59.120 so afraid. They were just trying anything to broker a peace, but then pilgrims wouldn't give

00:20:03.660 them a peace. And it was a tense, fraught Thanksgiving. Total BS. Not true. The Wampanoag

00:20:08.820 Indians allied with the English intentionally and out of their own interest. Actually, without the 0.99

00:20:16.020 English, there would have been no such thing as the Wampanoag nation. So our best ally that we had,

00:20:22.140 our best ally, when we sailed on the Mayflower and landed at Plymouth, the best ally of the Englishman

00:20:28.000 was a Poconocet sachem named Massasoit. Massasoit was a Poconocet and his tribe had been devastated by

00:20:36.660 smallpox in years before that. When the English arrived, Massasoit sent Squanto. Squanto was a 1.00

00:20:44.700 Patuxet Indian who was being held as prisoner by Massasoit. He sent Squanto to help broker an alliance. 0.97

00:20:50.900 Why did Massasoit send Squanto? Because Squanto, talk about the hand of Providence on the sailing of

00:20:58.060 the Mayflower and the founding of America. Squanto was possibly the only Native American in the entire

00:21:04.120 Western Hemisphere to have a command of the English language. Why is that? Because Squanto had lived in 1.00

00:21:11.080 Spain and England and he had been captured by, by explorers, brought to Spain. He was a slave in

00:21:20.100 Spain. Franciscan monks bought Squanto, freed Squanto, almost certainly baptized him a Catholic,

00:21:27.720 which is very funny that a Catholic Indian would be the one to help save the Puritan pilgrims.

00:21:32.740 Story for another time. He's freed. They then put him on a ship, get him to London. Squanto lived in 1.00

00:21:38.960 London, actually talked with the pilgrims about the various streets of London, sails back to the

00:21:43.880 New World, somehow hops a ship, makes it back to his old people, the Patuxets. The Patuxet tribe is 1.00

00:21:49.960 totally wiped out. He makes it down to the Poconoke at Massasoit. He's then held captive there. And then

00:21:56.180 the pilgrims land at Plymouth accidentally. They were trying to sail to Manhattan. They get blown off

00:22:00.220 course. They land exactly where the only Indian who speaks English fluently, who is a Catholic, 0.95

00:22:06.460 who understands their religion and their native country, happens to be, and Squanto brokers a

00:22:12.320 peace. If you don't believe in Providence because of that, I don't know what other evidence I could

00:22:17.200 possibly show you. But Squanto brokering that peace was a huge advantage to Massasoit because Massasoit

00:22:24.580 and the Poconocan Indians were not just some helpless victims here. They were not being just absolutely

00:22:31.500 destroyed and oppressed by the English. Massasoit used the English to his own advantage. He created an

00:22:36.700 alliance to help him oppose the Narragansett Indians. And he actually established through that alliance

00:22:42.100 with the English, the Wampanoag nation that this guy on CNN is pretending was a victim of the English

00:22:47.860 pilgrims. The Wampanoag nation would not have existed without the English. How did the peace break down? How will CNN try to 0.98

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00:25:01.900 So, unlike what CNN is telling you, unlike what the leftists are telling you,

00:25:05.580 the first interaction of the English with the Native Americans is quite fruitful. It's quite

00:25:13.460 an important alliance. Actually, the peace that they had brokered almost broke down. It almost

00:25:20.960 broke down because the English were too nice to Squanto. Massasoit wanted to recapture and kill

00:25:28.580 Squanto. The English protected Squanto from being killed by Massasoit. This almost destroyed their 0.99

00:25:33.840 alliance, but it survived. And then, by the way, the Pilgrims saved Massasoit's life too.

00:25:38.720 So, Massasoit would have died in 1623 because he became very, very ill. He was on his deathbed.

00:25:44.480 The Pilgrims, to save their friend Massasoit, sent Edward Winslow. Winslow went to visit him.

00:25:49.620 Massasoit called out. This is recorded with great trustworthiness. He called out,

00:25:55.560 is it Winslow? Winslow, I shall never see you again. So, Winslow comes in. The guy's on his

00:26:01.500 deathbed. He can barely speak. He's losing his sight. And Winslow gave him some Western medicine.

00:26:08.220 He then scraped out Massasoit's mouth and he made him a chicken broth.

00:26:14.200 After a few days, Massasoit recovered. As thanks for this, Massasoit told the Pilgrims that the 0.93

00:26:19.880 Massachusetts Indians were going to attack them and they were going to attack the English colony at 1.00

00:26:23.900 Wessagusset. So, as a result of this, Miles Standish of the Plymouth colony and Massasoit's

00:26:30.620 forces united, fought off the Massachusetts Indians and expanded Massasoit's power considerably and

00:26:36.900 saved the English colonies. You know, the left-wing history of this makes it seem like the Indians 0.87

00:26:41.980 were just like these helpless children. They weren't. They were real people. They were real

00:26:46.280 adults. They had real political strategies that worked out very well with the Pilgrims. CNN goes on. 0.94

00:26:52.680 Some elders say the so-called first Thanksgiving is not worth celebrating.

00:26:57.340 It's the one day out of the year when all of America bows their head and gives thanks for

00:27:02.280 everything that was taken from us. 83-year-old Tall Oaks, Rhode Island home is an archive of Native

00:27:08.200 American history. Amongst the books and pictures and relics is a copy of a 1970s speech written by

00:27:14.320 his late friend, Huam Sutta. This is what we were talking about yesterday, the difference between

00:27:18.240 an attitude toward the world of entitlement and an attitude toward the world of gratitude,

00:27:24.360 of duty, of obligation. Obviously, the people making the CNN hit have no idea about the real

00:27:32.100 history of the Mayflower or the real history of those early days. But even consider the silly 0.59

00:27:37.400 understanding of history to say, today is a terrible day. Thanksgiving is an awful memory.

00:27:45.240 And the way that we commemorate this awful memory when the Indians lost everything and the pilgrims 0.99

00:27:51.180 gained everything is we read about it in books. There wouldn't be any books without the English

00:27:58.040 settlers. There wouldn't be any American history. The person who's saying this would not be speaking

00:28:03.440 in English. There would be no television. There would be no world as we see it. This is not to excuse

00:28:09.240 everything the English did. This is not to vilify the Native Americans. This is not to excuse periods

00:28:14.820 of history. This is to point out that history is complicated. The history we're living right now,

00:28:19.100 the history that our ancestors lived 400 years ago. And to just sit and whine that history happened

00:28:25.900 is absurd. I mean, it is ridiculous. It is laughable. That is a surefire way to live a miserable 0.96

00:28:33.800 life. In fact, the way that that CNN is describing this is that it was the beginning of the end.

00:28:40.660 We, the Wampanoag, Wamsata wrote, welcomed you, the white man with open arms,

00:28:45.820 little knowing that it was the beginning of the end. He said he wasn't going to change it.

00:28:50.820 And so he withdrew from that. And Wamsata, Tall Oak and other activists of the American Indian

00:28:56.160 movement created their own event for the following Thanksgiving day. We decided that

00:29:00.280 we would declare it a national day of mourning for Native people.

00:29:05.460 How disrespectful to those Indians, to the Wampanoags and Massasoit, to suggest that they 0.99

00:29:11.380 were just these naive idiots who didn't understand that various different peoples might have interests 1.00

00:29:16.080 in the new world. It's not that he just, the Massasoit welcomed the pilgrims with open arms. 1.00

00:29:21.920 It's that he created a strategic alliance, an alliance that endured for generations afterward.

00:29:28.140 And that actually was only broken by the Native American Indians. And this is where they get to 1.00

00:29:33.260 their real point. The leftists always drive this point home. It has no basis in the reality of the

00:29:38.380 Pilgrim experience. They call the history of Thanksgiving genocide. 0.62

00:29:44.120 We're still fighting with our very own trustee, who we had treaties with, that we agreed to

00:29:49.040 have a relationship back in the 1700s. And we're still fighting that fight today to have our lands.

00:29:54.760 This Thanksgiving, Tall Oak, the only surviving co-creator of the National Day of Mourning,

00:30:00.440 hopes that you think less about the Native's contribution to a meal nearly 400 years ago,

00:30:05.380 and more about, as the plaque on the monument reads, the genocide of millions of their people,

00:30:11.200 the theft of their land, and the relentless assault on their culture.

00:30:15.180 It was a terrible way to show your gratitude after you've been given everything to make you,

00:30:20.780 make it possible for you to survive.

00:30:23.540 Again, completely fictitious history. Massasoit died a friend of the Pilgrims.

00:30:29.480 This alliance between the Pilgrims and the local Native Americans, at least the Wampanoags, 1.00

00:30:34.060 obviously not the Massachusetts that the Wampanoags and the Pilgrims united to fight off, 0.98

00:30:39.260 the Massachusetts, or the Massachusetts, rather, we weren't very good friends with.

00:30:42.120 But this alliance between the Wampanoags and the Pilgrims endured not just for Massasoit's lifetime, 0.99

00:30:47.460 not just for Squanto's lifetime. When Squanto died, he said,

00:30:51.000 please, Englishmen, pray to me, to your God. Pray for me, to your God, your English God.

00:30:57.220 He was a baptized Christian. Not just for the lifetime of Massasoit's son, Alexander.

00:31:03.820 That's right, Massasoit gave his son an English name, a Christian name.

00:31:07.840 It actually endured all the way through to Massasoit's grandson, Philip.

00:31:11.760 And Massasoit's grandson, Philip, decided to wage war on the English based on a misunderstanding

00:31:18.620 because he thought that the English had killed one of his men. He actually, the English had not

00:31:23.220 done it. There was no historical evidence that they did it. And Philip waged a war that was opposed

00:31:27.120 by many, many Native Americans in the region. And that war permanently ruptured the relationship

00:31:32.900 between the English and the Native Americans in the region. But that was a war waged by King Philip.

00:31:39.740 It's called King Philip's War. You can look it up. You can read about it. You're definitely not going

00:31:43.280 to hear about it on CNN. You're definitely not going to hear about it in the mainstream media,

00:31:47.640 which wants to obscure the real history of Thanksgiving, for which we should be, all of us,

00:31:52.200 exceedingly grateful. Grateful not just for the wonderful partnership between the Wampanoags and

00:31:58.360 the Pilgrims, not grateful merely for the voyage of the Mayflower, but grateful to our God that we have

00:32:04.040 all of these blessings since that year in 1620 when the Pilgrims sailed across the ocean and began this

00:32:11.540 American experiment. We've got a lot to get to. Before we get to the mailbag, I have got to point

00:32:18.660 out some really good news that the president should be thankful for and conservatives should

00:32:23.600 be thankful for going into Thanksgiving. There's new testimony that was released on the Ukraine issue,

00:32:29.240 on the Ukraine phone call that's apparently going to get this president kicked out if the Democrats

00:32:33.980 have their way. Mark Sandy, who worked at the Office of Management and Budget under President

00:32:38.180 Trump, was told to withhold aid to Ukraine. Now, he was asked what reasons he was given for withholding

00:32:46.720 aid from Michael Duffy, who was a Trump appointee at the Office of Management and Budget. We now have

00:32:51.500 the deposition. It just came out and Sandy recalls that the president was concerned, quote, about other

00:33:00.240 countries not contributing money to Ukraine, that the reason for the withholding of aid was because,

00:33:07.460 as President Trump has said from the beginning, he didn't want to contribute aid alone. He wanted

00:33:11.520 other countries to chip in as well. No word of a quid pro quo. I think that's why the Democrats dumped

00:33:16.680 this deposition right before Thanksgiving when no one's paying attention. Speaking of bad news for Democrats

00:33:22.000 this Thanksgiving, Elizabeth Warren. Elizabeth Warren always has a tough time on Thanksgiving. It brings back

00:33:28.320 bad memories for her. She got some more bad news. Her poll numbers are collapsing. She went from 28% in

00:33:36.260 Quinnipiac's last poll of the Democratic primary, that's good enough to be the top of the pack, to 14%. Half of

00:33:43.220 her support is gone. Now that's just one poll, but that's the poll that we've got. Why is it? It's

00:33:48.160 because Americans hate her health care plan. You can see that in the cross tabs. She may have doomed 1.00

00:33:53.700 her candidacy. Very, very sad news for her, but something to be thankful for all of us. We'll get

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00:35:03.500 more coming up in the mailbag. Head on over to dailywire.com and then just wait until Black

00:35:08.800 Friday. We'll be right back. All right. First question from Calvin. Hi, Michael. You mentioned

00:35:26.520 in a tweet a few weeks ago about how Catholics shouldn't practice yoga since it is part of the 1.00

00:35:31.760 Hindu religion. Why is that if it's just meditation and poses? I'm not sure it actually poses a threat

00:35:38.440 to the Catholic faith, but I trust your insight and judgment on the subject. Sure thing. Not just

00:35:43.340 the Catholic faith, but Protestantism and other faiths as well. If yoga were just about stretching

00:35:52.020 out your body, that would be perfectly fine. If it were a neutral sort of meditation, that would be

00:35:57.820 fine. You could do it. That does exist. That is called Pilates. Yoga is something different. Yoga

00:36:03.320 involves aspects of Eastern religion. So there are all these various religious things that come with

00:36:10.400 it. The om's and the ah's and the various salutations to various sort of Eastern ideas and

00:36:17.280 religious concepts. So it's very bizarre that people do that. And I have friends of mine who say

00:36:22.520 that going to yoga for them is like going to church. That's true in a secular society. Anything

00:36:28.620 you do that's even vaguely spiritual would be a substitute for church. There's nothing wrong with

00:36:35.400 stretching your body. I don't do it because I don't really enjoy physical exercise. But there's

00:36:40.140 nothing wrong with you stretching your body or engaging in meditation. I strongly recommend

00:36:43.920 meditation. I more strongly recommend prayer. And I especially like the rosary. So there are certainly

00:36:50.020 plenty of options here for that. But if you're going to engage in prayer and meditation and

00:36:55.840 contemplation and you are not a Hindu or let's say you are a Christian, I would just recommend doing 1.00

00:37:01.960 it in a Christian way. And if you want to stretch your body, just stretch it out and do Pilates. But

00:37:06.120 I think the, for what many people in the West engage in as a sort of pseudo-spiritualism of yoga

00:37:13.480 is a poor substitute for religion. And it gets you involved in certain theological concepts that

00:37:19.900 just don't, don't go along with your stated religion. Okay, John, liberals make the argument

00:37:25.880 that we should ban guns because people may be killed, while conservatives make the argument that

00:37:30.940 we need to strengthen our borders because people may be killed. What do you think is the best argument

00:37:35.440 to differentiate between these two? Thanks. I agree that that's the argument the liberals make

00:37:40.340 for banning guns, but I don't think that's the argument that the conservatives make primarily for

00:37:44.680 the border. It's a secondary argument. It is true. Killers and drug dealers and people like

00:37:49.760 that will cross the border if it's porous. But the primary argument conservatives make for

00:37:54.860 closing the border is that it's the law. Illegal immigration is illegal. It's not that complicated.

00:38:01.000 And a country has a right to decide who comes and who goes. And a country has a right, especially 0.62

00:38:05.540 in self-government, to decide who gets to use its resources, who gets to vote in its elections,

00:38:09.660 and who gets to be here, who gets to be part of that society. Conservatives go wrong when we primarily

00:38:17.760 make utilitarian arguments. You know, a good example of this is on socialism. You'll sometimes hear

00:38:23.360 conservatives say, socialism is bad because it doesn't work. People don't have a lot of money under

00:38:28.260 socialism. Sure, that's all true. Feel free to make that secondary argument. Socialism is wrong because

00:38:34.200 it's evil. To quote Pope Leo XIII, it's a pest. It's a plague. It tries to steal the very gospel 0.99

00:38:39.920 itself. To quote Winston Churchill, it's the gospel of envy and the creed of ignorance. It is intrinsically

00:38:45.620 wrong, bad, evil. That's why socialism is so bad because it deprives you of your own property. It

00:38:53.800 deprives you of your own agency. It deprives you of your own freedom. Also, it's very inefficient.

00:38:59.560 Also, people will have less money. Everybody will have less money under socialism. But you've got to

00:39:04.760 make the essential argument first because if you make the utilitarian argument, then you're arguing

00:39:10.900 on the left's premises and then you're going to end up in this sort of confusion where you're doing

00:39:15.520 leftist calculus and you'll end up at leftist policy solutions. From Moe, Michael, I see this push for

00:39:22.360 anyone being able to go into whichever locker room, depending on if you feel like a man or a woman at

00:39:26.620 that time. Do you think it will push in the direction of simply having co-ed restrooms and

00:39:31.700 locker rooms thoughts? Yes, it probably will. And that is gross. Gross things happen in bathrooms. 1.00

00:39:38.960 I don't want ladies around while men are doing them and I don't want men around while ladies are 1.00

00:39:42.920 doing them. It's just yucky. It's gross. We should be civilized. Come on, people. We're not animals.

00:39:49.200 You don't have men and women's restrooms for pigs. You don't have men and women's restrooms for 1.00

00:39:53.900 cows. You do for people because we're humans. We're civilized. Have some dignity. But we are

00:39:59.220 probably moving in that direction. We've been moving in that direction for decades. Initially,

00:40:03.280 you had the unisex bathroom. Unisex. That term doesn't make any sense because there are two sexes. 1.00

00:40:10.720 But we've had unisex around all our lives. Then, now you have the gender neutral bathroom.

00:40:16.280 If it's a single restroom, this makes perfect sense. But what's happening now increasingly,

00:40:19.980 especially in even high-end places, is you will have one generic restroom with individual stalls. 0.82

00:40:28.480 Gross. And people get rid of urinals in those restrooms because there's a war on masculinity and 1.00

00:40:34.760 manliness. So there's no urinals at all. It's a very bad idea. Men and women are different. We should 0.99

00:40:41.420 enjoy those differences. Sexual difference makes the world a lovely place. Vive la différence. From Scott.

00:40:47.360 Dear Michael, I was recently invited to go hunting for deer with a friend. I have always found that

00:40:53.460 prospect intriguing. And I agree with many of the points in the pro-hunting debate. But I also

00:40:58.360 understand the case that anti-hunters make. I'm interested in seeing what your view is on this

00:41:03.240 topic, especially when it comes to Christianity. My fiance and I love your show. Thanks. I don't 0.97

00:41:09.560 understand the case that anti-hunters make. So I would love you to enlighten me on this. I guess the case

00:41:16.080 that people who don't like hunting make is that we shouldn't eat animals. Because if you go out and

00:41:21.300 hunt your own food, it is much more ethical than partaking in factory farming. If you're going to

00:41:27.160 make an ethical argument at all, certainly it's the case that killing an animal in the wild is nicer for

00:41:31.560 that animal than just raising it on a factory farm where it can barely move around. So then the argument

00:41:37.800 becomes about eating meat. Is it wrong to eat meat? No, it's not. We can tell from nature, from our own

00:41:44.480 bodies, that we were made to eat meat. Our bodies function much better when we eat meat. Human beings

00:41:49.500 thrive when we eat meat. Also, animals aren't people. This was the topic of my show yesterday.

00:41:56.160 We anthropomorphize animals. We now treat animals better than we treat people in many instances.

00:42:01.280 I mean, now it's a federal offense to kick a puppy, but you can kill a human baby at virtually any point

00:42:07.800 of development anywhere in the country without any issue. And if you kill a human being, it's a state-level

00:42:13.820 crime, not a federal crime. Some people say, well, torturing animals is evidence that you'll grow up

00:42:20.760 to be a serial killer. Sure, but you kick the puppy, you get a federal offense. If you start killing people,

00:42:27.140 it's a state crime. We've totally inverted this. Animals are not people. Human beings have intellect

00:42:33.180 and will. Animals do not. They have their own sort of vague shade of intellect. They're not totally

00:42:42.740 inanimate objects, but they don't have free will in the way that we do. They don't have dignity in

00:42:47.020 the way that we do. We should be stewards of animals. We should be kind to animals. We should

00:42:50.360 never abuse animals because it dulls our own humanity. It's so undignified. It's so cruel.

00:42:54.960 And that reflects poorly on us, but we should not extend to them rights. They are animals. They are

00:43:01.220 made to be eaten and they are very, very delicious. From Scott, when it comes to Hong Kong, I know left

00:43:06.660 wing sports reporters are excusing NBA woke jerks like Steve Kerr, Greg Popovich, and LeBron James for 0.64

00:43:12.300 supporting China. But I want to know, is there any truth that the Hong Kong protests are merely

00:43:16.960 about the extradition of a man who murdered someone in Taiwan? Thanks. Nope. It's about China clamping down

00:43:22.920 on possessions that it does not have total control over. Don't forget, Hong Kong was ruled by the

00:43:28.580 British until 1997, I think it was, 1997 or 1999. At that point, it reverted back to the control of

00:43:35.120 China. This was a very sad day, certainly for Hong Kong, but for the whole world. Since then, China has 1.00

00:43:40.180 been trying to encroach on various territories that are around it that it doesn't have total control of.

00:43:46.680 They've been trying to make incursions into the South China Sea. They want to grow. They

00:43:52.860 are on the rise. Their economy is exploding. They're in the WTO, the World Trade Organization.

00:43:57.920 They are posing a major threat to the United States. We should oppose them. It is not the

00:44:02.980 Cold War anymore. Russia is not our number one geopolitical foe. It's not right after 9-11

00:44:09.660 anymore. The Middle East is not our number one geopolitical foe, whether that be in the Taliban

00:44:15.280 in Afghanistan or Saddam Hussein, who no longer exists. It's China. China is our number one

00:44:21.180 geopolitical foe. We should treat them as such. And those little, little quizlings over in the NBA 0.97

00:44:28.420 are, are a shame to, to sporting and also to the United States. Final question from Benedict.

00:44:36.040 Michael Brickhouse Knowles. Can you please give some commentary on Elizabeth Warren saying she

00:44:40.640 prefers Netflix and chill over Broadway and dinner? I feel it says a lot about our current culture and

00:44:45.540 politicians' willingness to pander. It does. Obviously she's quite a panderer. She pretended to be 1.00

00:44:50.620 Native American to get professional advantage for 30 years. But that does say a lot. I think most

00:44:55.420 people prefer Netflix and chill over Broadway and dinner. Broadway and dinner is better. Netflix and

00:45:01.240 chill is lazier. It's more slothful. It's dumber. It's, it's more about the self. It brings you into

00:45:12.180 yourself more because you don't have to leave your couch. Broadway and dinner brings you out into society.

00:45:16.440 You see people. You interact with other people. You see a new show. Live theater conveys more than

00:45:23.080 television does. You then maybe go get a drink afterward and talk about the show. It's much

00:45:28.940 bigger. And life is big. Life flourishes when life is big. We have made everything just about

00:45:35.500 ourselves. And when it's not just ourselves, it's our partner next to us who comes over to Netflix and

00:45:40.180 chill. And usually they don't even watch the movie that much if you know what I'm talking about.

00:45:43.440 It's, it's, our life now is about our screens. It's about hunched over looking at these tiny

00:45:49.200 little screens. It should be big. The world is a big, beautiful place. Life was more beautiful

00:45:53.900 when you would go to Broadway and dinner rather than just Netflix and chill. Because Netflix and

00:45:57.780 chill, by the way, also just means go have sex. Sex is a great thing, but it's not all there is in 0.95

00:46:01.840 life. But it's all we want to focus on. We should open ourselves up to the beauty of our country,

00:46:07.540 the beauty of the world, and the grandness of life. Maybe we'll be able to do that and give

00:46:13.000 thanks for that tomorrow on Thanksgiving. In the meantime, I'm Michael Knowles. This is The

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The Michael Knowles Show - November 27, 2019

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