Ep. 552 - When Karen Met Karen
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Two weirdos had a viral meltdown in Central Park, and now one of their lives is ruined. Then, for the first time ever, Twitter fact checks President Trump on voter fraud, and for the 7 zillionth time, what Trump said turns out to be a lie.
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Two weirdos had a viral meltdown in Central Park, and now one of their lives is ruined.
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Then, for the first time ever, Twitter fact-checks President Trump on voter fraud,
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and for the seven zillionth time, what Trump said turns out to be true, and the fact-check turns out to be a lie.
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The mainstream media get caught in more coronavirus hypocrisy, and in Washington state,
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gunshot victims get added to the COVID death toll.
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I'm Michael Knowles, and this is The Michael Knowles Show.
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There was no way to miss the video going around the internet yesterday.
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It was this interaction in Central Park between the woman who was walking her dog and the guy who starts filming her,
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and then the woman has a meltdown, but the guy also kind of has a meltdown.
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Initially, it meant a middle-aged white woman who's very nosy and tells you your business and gets involved in your affairs.
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It refers basically to everybody which of the Karens was in the right, which of them was in the wrong.
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There is a man who is bird watching, but he's really people watching because he starts getting
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So, Ms. Karen is walking her dog, and she's got the dog without a leash.
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So, Mr. Karen decides to get very nosy and tell Ms. Karen to put a leash on her dog.
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Ms. Karen then says she doesn't want to put the leash on her dog.
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So, Mr. Karen, like a creep, says, okay, well, then I'm going to do something that you're not
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going to like very much, reaches into his bag, pulls out doggy treats, doggy treats that this
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guy only had so that he could lure other people's dogs away because he was so irritated when the
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So, Mr. Karen pulls out doggy treats to lure Ms. Karen's dog away.
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Ms. And I think the exact words that Mr. Karen said, according to him, were, I'm going to do what
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I'm going to do, and you're not going to like it, which is, that's a pretty weird thing to say
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when you're isolated with somebody in a park, especially if you're a man and she's a woman.
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Then Ms. Karen loses her mind. I have caught you up. We have set the scene. Now take a listen to
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what ensues. Would you please stop? Sir, I'm asking you to stop. Please don't come close to me.
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Sir, I'm asking you to stop recording me. Please don't come close to me. Please take your phone off.
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Please don't come close to me. And I'm taking a picture of calling the cops. Please,
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please call the cops. Please call the cops. I'm going to tell them there's an African-American
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threatening my life. Please tell them whatever you like. Excuse me.
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I'm sorry. I'm in a ramble and there is a man, African-American. He has a bicycle helmet.
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He is recording me and threatening me and my dog. There is an African-American man. I am in Central
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Park. He is recording me and threatening myself and my dog. I'm sorry. I can't hear you either.
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I'm being threatened by a man in the ramble. Please send the cops immediately.
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I'm in Central Park in the ramble. I don't know. Thank you. Okay. So obviously this woman behaving
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absolutely hysterically, but the guy was behaving hysterically too. They are both Karen. This is
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Mr. and Ms. Karen. I think they should get married. They should live unhappily ever after.
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Everyone is focusing on how wrong this woman was and they're calling her all sorts of things.
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She's a racist. She's terrible. She's got to have her life ruined. And no one's focusing on what a
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weirdo, creepy dude this guy is. This guy, Mr. Karen, is much more in the wrong than this lady,
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Ms. Karen. Much more in the wrong. Men should not behave like that. Men should not go up to women
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in the middle of parks and start chatting with them if they don't want to be chatted with and,
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you know, stick around there if they don't want to be stuck around with.
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And then start feeding treats to their dogs that you're trying to lure away, treats that you only
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have to lure people's dogs away, and then start filming them. That's weird behavior. People shouldn't
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do that. Also, men should not humiliate women. They should not humiliate women privately. They
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should not humiliate women publicly by filming them and putting that video all over the internet.
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And then subsequently, or consequently rather, ruining her life. That's not very chivalrous
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behavior. That is the behavior of a society that has lost the sense of manliness and gentlemanliness.
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And then let's not forget, most of all, he started it. This guy started it because he had to start
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Karen-ing around her business and making a big fuss because she didn't have her dog on a leash in the
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park. Okay. Now what people are trying to do, what race hustling, mostly white liberal social justice
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warriors are trying to do is make this a whole racial issue. I guarantee you if the case was flipped,
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and this woman was walking around and this guy didn't have his dog on a leash, they would be making a big
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deal about that. They would be saying, oh, it's not a big deal to have your dog on a leash. They would,
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this is obviously a very opportunistic case for people to push a leftist narrative. It's the same
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narrative that we see constantly, you know, all over the political left. The New York Times is pushing
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this precise narrative. Listen to this. They describe him, Mr. Cooper, 57, a Harvard graduate who
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works in communications. Is hearing that he's a Harvard graduate supposed to make me think
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he's a more respectable fellow. That is not the way to convince somebody that, that this guy is
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respectable. Hart, I don't think so. He's long been a prominent birder in the city and is on the board of
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the New York City Audubon Society. A prominent birder? What is a prominent birder? Oh yes, Mr.
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Cooper, that well-known birder that, oh yes, I see him birding about. Oh, what is birding? I guess he,
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he looks at birds. That's what that means. He's a bird watcher. That there are no prominent bird
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watchers. Okay. He's a guy. Here's what they're saying. Mr. Cooper, who 35 years ago went to a
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college in Boston, uh, looks at birds and enjoys looking at birds. Okay, fine. Maybe he's a,
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an otherwise nice guy. He doesn't seem like a nice guy from this video, but sure.
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Then the New York times admits what he did. This is directly from the New York times quoting Mr.
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Cooper. Look, if you're going to do what you want, I'm going to do what I want, but you're not going
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to like it. He told her before he pulled out the treats and began filming. According to his post,
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Mr. Cooper then produced dog treats and said, he said, I pull out the dog treats I carry for just
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such intransigence. He wrote, he's admitting he carries the treats to get weird with other people's
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dogs. That's when I started video recording with my iPhone. And when her inner Karen fully emerged
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and took a dark turn, he said, using the name that has become slang for an entitled white woman.
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So first of all, the people who are trying to make this a racial thing should at least admit off the
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top, this guy is using a racist term. The New York times is calling it a racist term. Now it would
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appear that the word Karen has transcended race and sex mostly because of this guy. But from the very
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beginning, if they're saying that this woman is a racist, surely this guy is a racist too. He's using
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the term that the times admits is racist. What's the end result? She loses her job and she loses her
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dog. I'm not joking. She got fired from her investment management firm and they took her dog away
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for what? Cause she had this hysterical meltdown in the park because some hysterical guy goaded her
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into it. And now she's being smeared as a racist. Is this woman a racist? I don't know. Maybe she is,
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but from the video, I can't conclude that she's a racist. Why? They're saying that the two pieces of
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evidence that this woman is a racist are that she behaved hysterically on the phone with the cops
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and that she noted several times that he is an African American man. Well, she was behaving
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hysterically before she ever called the cops from the very beginning of the video. She says, hi, hi,
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I'm going to get away from me, please stop it. And she's be, I mean, she's behaving in a ridiculous
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way, but it's not as though her behavior changed in any significant way. When she called the cops,
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she was already behaving hysterically. So that was not performative. And the implication here is that
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she was performing this hysteria for the cops because she wanted to get the cops there to kill the man
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because, you know, there's an epidemic in America of racist cops killing innocent black men, which is
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not true. There are incidents that are sensationalized that try to craft this narrative that there is an
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epidemic of racist cops slaughtering innocent black men, but that isn't the case. The reason that the
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stories become so sensational when they happen is precisely because they are so rare. It is very easy
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to be emotionally manipulated, particularly by the mainstream media on issues like this, but the
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statistics do not bear it out. So there's that first part gone. What about the second one? She kept
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noting that he's an African American man. Again, maybe she's a racist. Maybe she's not a racist.
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Maybe the definition of racism keeps changing because the left exploits it so much. I mean, now we're told
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that, that only certain races can be racist, but other races can't be racist. I'm not joking.
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That's what the left tells you. So again, I don't even know what definition we're working with anymore,
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but let's just look at that piece of evidence. She keeps saying on the phone, he's an African
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American man. She also notes that he's wearing a bike helmet, right? When you call, if you are going
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to call and make a police report, which was a ridiculous thing for this woman to do in this case,
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but both of these people were behaving in a ridiculous manner. So she calls and makes a police
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report. When you make a police report, you describe the person that you're making the police report on.
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Right? You don't say, well, he's, uh, yeah, he's, uh, wearing a blue shirt. Okay. Can you tell us
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anything else about him? No, I'm not allowed to say anything else about him because if I do,
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I'll be smeared as a racist and lose my job. So she mentions his race. She also mentions that he's
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wearing a bicycle helmet. Is she a cyclophobe? Does she have a deep seated hatred of bicycles or
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something like that? I don't know. Why did she include that detail? That would seem to be evidence to me
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that she's including descriptors so that hopefully the police can come and arrest this man for the
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high crime of being a weirdo with dog treats. Conservatives need to stop playing into this
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nonsense. They have to. Both of these people behaved badly. Both of them behaved in a shameful way,
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an embarrassing way. Now only Mr. Karen filmed Ms. Karen and ruined her life, but they both behaved
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in a, in a silly way. The woman apparently, according to reports is a, is a liberal. So I
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don't exactly have a political dog in this fight, but I'm just so offended by this guy's behavior.
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It's so unchivalrous. It's so unmanly. It's just so, it's just ugly behavior. Okay. And I think some
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conservatives want to prove that they're not racists to the left, which by the way is not
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possible because the left doesn't care whether you're a racist or not. They just want to smear
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you. You know, who's going to know if, if you're a racist or not you, that's a, do you hate people
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of other races and you, do you judge them unfairly based on their race? No. Okay, good. You're not a
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racist. Good. Don't worry. Doesn't matter what the left says about you. If you know it, it's good
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enough. Okay. Defending this creep does not make you Rosa Parks. All right. Ruining this woman's life
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does not make you Martin Luther King. Does anyone really believe that this woman should have her
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life ruined over this thing because she was walking her dog and some creep tried to lure the dog away
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and then filmed her and humiliated her nationally? No, nobody thinks that. I don't think the guy,
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this weirdo birdwatcher should have his life ruined either. I don't think either of these people
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should have their lives ruined. I think they should both take a good long think, sit down,
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have a good long stew session on how their lives came to this point and maybe what's, what's wrong
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with the way they see the world. But I don't think either of them should have their lives ruined for
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this. A society that gets pleasure out of ruining people's lives like this for ideological fantasies
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is sick and ugly. I tweeted out, I said, Hey, Twitter mob, do y'all feel good now that you
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ruined this woman's life? And a lot of people responded, mostly white liberals. It's always the
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white liberals. That's like that, that, that tends to be the first wave of meanness and nastiness when
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it comes to this kind of ideology. But you know, other people too. Some people responded and said,
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yeah, I feel great. I feel awesome. I feel so happy that this woman's life is ruined.
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That is a sick and ugly society. And we should not want any part of that sort of thing.
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They're not the only Karens in New York though. Mr. and Ms. Karen, who will go and live unhappily
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ever after are not the only ones. There was a big Karen session in Staten Island. We'll get to that
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today. We're moving from Central Park. We're moving all the way down Manhattan Island. We are now crossing
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over the water, getting into Staten Island, the forgotten borough in New York in a grocery store.
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Another one, another example of men behaving abominably to women. It's funny. Everyone thinks
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that the, the, this story is about race, these kind of Karen stories. It's not about race. Frankly,
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it's much more about sex than it is about race because some woman doesn't wear a mask
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and the Staten Islanders in this supermarket lose their mind, start screaming obscenities
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Yeah, don't ask women to act like a dirty f*** kid.
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That's normal behavior. That's a normal society, right? Somebody walks in to a supermarket,
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does not have a mask on. You know, that thing that we all did up until three months ago,
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doesn't have a mask on. You know, the thing that we were told not to wear because they don't do
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anything actually because it would hurt the healthcare workers. They said, if we wore masks,
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someone does that. And, uh, it would be as though this guy walked in totally naked,
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screaming obscenities, firing off pistols. That's the kind of reaction that he got because it was a,
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he, I actually couldn't tell from the video if it was a he or a she, regardless, whoever the person is.
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I think it was a she, it looked like a woman, but you know, who can tell with these kinds of things.
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Regardless, this is the kind of reaction that that person gets.
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Something has gone a little bit off in society. People are a little bit too on edge and it's not
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just the pandemic. And I don't think, I don't think that this epidemic really helps people in,
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in how on edge they are. But I think we were already on edge. I think that the phenomenon of
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the Twitter mob, the phenomenon of the gotcha video, the phenomenon of I'm going to ruin this
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person's life because they said something that I don't like. That is indicative of a deeper edginess
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in the culture. We're just really angry at each other. We just really, we just want,
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we just want to get some revenge for something, for I don't know what, because we got a chip on
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our shoulder because people are very miserable. I'm sure that these two things are connected.
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There've been a lot of social scientific surveys in recent years that show that people are really
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miserable. They're lonely. They're angry. Their lives haven't panned out the way that they think
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that they should. And I think a big cause of that is because of the disconnect because
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between ideology and reality, the ideological vision that we've all been sold, that nothing
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really matters. There's no God. There's no love. There's no joy. There's no nobility. There's no
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point in serving our country or each other. It's all just a farce. We're all going to turn to worm
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food in the end. We need to just pursue our pleasure ruthlessly and live for ourselves. That's the thing
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we've been told on the left and the right. And the reality that all of those things will make us
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miserable. I think that's, that's the disconnect. That's got us all a little bit on edge. Well,
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guess what? I don't think that you will feel any better by taking that sort of anger out on other
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people. The only way you will feel any better is if you look in at yourself, take a gander in the
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mirror and fix your own life. The masks also are just really dumb. Okay. They're dumb. I'm not saying
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they don't work sometimes. I'm not saying there's not a place for masks. I'm not saying that in all
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circumstances you shouldn't wear masks, but the masks generally are dumb and nobody seriously
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believes that they're going to save them. Least of all the mainstream media, the news media who are
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telling people to wear them. How do I know this? Because MSNBC sent a reporter out into the field
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to shame people for not wearing masks. But the segment didn't go that well when one of the people
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that the reporter was shaming decided to point out that the cameraman himself was not wearing
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a mask. Are the people there just not worried about it, Cal? Are they not worried about their
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own personal safety? I haven't met anybody who is. I met some folks actually from Lake Geneva who
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lived in the area. They were staying a few miles outside of town where I were. And they said they're
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worried about it. They're worried about that second spike. They're worried about folks coming in from
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Chicago, but they'll quickly add at the same time, this is a place that relies on that business. I think
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people here want a little bit more funding when it comes to these programs so that they could stay
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close. But again, I think people felt like the Supreme Court made the decision here in Wisconsin
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that it was time to open up. But you can see here, just around, nobody's wearing them. Nobody's,
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there you go, including the cameraman. Yeah. Katie?
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Oh, they just can't, they don't. I guess these reporters never took an improv class.
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So they've got their narrative, right? Here's the narrative. Masks are really important and helpful.
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And these irresponsible people, probably Trump voters, if you ask me, they're not wearing masks.
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So they're the bad people. And we need to shame them on national television. Maybe they'll lose
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their job. Maybe they'll lose their dogs. I don't know. But they're really bad people. And then one
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of the really bad people points out, he goes, hey, hey buddy, if masks are so important, why is your
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cameraman not wearing one? And, and the reporter doesn't know how to respond to that because he's just got his
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narrative. He doesn't know how to improvise when he gets thrown off his obviously fictitious
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script. So he goes, yeah. And including the cameraman. Okay. Yep. Just completely undercut my argument.
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Yeah. I have no credibility whatsoever. I'm a hack. I'm a liar on television. Back to you, Katie.
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And Katie goes, yep, that's right. Pretty crazy images out there. Next time we'll have to make sure
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that all those people telling the truth are kept far from the camera. They don't, neither of those
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journalists react to the reality, which is that even MSNBC doesn't think these masks matter that
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much at all. It's just fake. It's just, it's just a performance. It's every bit the performance that
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those two people on MSNBC were putting on. That's not me saying that. That's them saying that, right?
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They're the ones not wearing the mask. All I can do is observe. And what I am observing is the very
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people telling us that the masks matter are the people not wearing masks. You saw this in the
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White House briefing the other day. All the reporter very, I think it was a, who was it? It was one of
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the CNN reporters wearing a mask for all the questions on camera. The minute she thought the
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cameras went off, she takes the mask off. She doesn't think the mask matters. It's just a political
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cudgel. It's just a way to signal her virtue to all of her followers and to make Trump look like a
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mean, terrible bad guy. The masks don't look that good. Joe Biden wore a mask. Didn't go well. Mayor
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Garcetti wore a mask in the middle of an empty baseball stadium. Didn't go that well. And the
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surgeon general told us not to wear masks right before he told us we had to wear masks. We'll get
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to all that in one second. There is a whole lot more to get to, especially, frankly, probably the
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going on. Get the sleep you need and deserve. So Biden wears a mask. He put a mask on. He went
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out in public. He looked like Bane from Batman. He looked like a really lame, unintimidating,
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doddering Bane from Batman. This is why Trump doesn't wear the mask. Statesmen cannot wear
00:26:31.420
the masks. I know, but what if the masks help? Okay, yeah, maybe the masks do help. Then even
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if that were true, the president needs to situate himself in such a way that he doesn't have to wear
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the mask. Because just as a matter of optics, as a matter of images, and images matter a whole lot
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in politics, the masks don't look good. And frankly, Biden looked good compared to Eric Garcetti,
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the mayor of Los Angeles, who was giving an address in the middle of Dodger Stadium.
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This is a completely empty baseball stadium. Mayor Garcetti is standing in the center of the
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completely empty baseball stadium with a mask on. What does he think is going to happen?
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Does he think somebody is going to send a heat-seeking guided coronavirus missile right
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at him? And so he's going to have the mask and the mask is going to protect him? No,
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it's obviously signaling his virtue in a very ridiculous way. I'm noticing a pattern here.
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I'm noticing a theme. People signaling their virtue and making themselves look ridiculous
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in the meantime. Let us not forget the Surgeon General. Surgeon General of the United States,
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February 29th. Seriously, people, stop buying masks, all caps, exclamation point. They are not
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all caps effective in preventing general public from catching coronavirus. But if healthcare
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providers can't get them to care for sick patients, it puts them and our communities at risk.
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This original tweet didn't make any sense in the first place because what he's saying is stop buying
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masks. They're not effective at helping you, but they are effective at helping other people.
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Why is that? How's that? Is there something different about me? Is it that when you graduate
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from medical school, all of a sudden your immune system completely changes? No, I don't think so.
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Didn't make sense in the first place, but don't forget the experts in the lab coats,
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the political authorities, right? The top guy told us don't buy masks, February 29th. Then May 23rd,
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quote, as our communities reopen, wearing a face covering is something we all can and should do
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to protect each other. So no matter how you're spending Memorial Day weekend, wear a face mask
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covering when out in public. Comment with a selfie and encourage others to do so too.
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Which one do we believe? Well, you would say we got to believe the most recent one because that's the
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newest one based on the science. Science hasn't changed. The science, I know you think, well,
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you don't think. If you're listening to this show, you probably have a decent grasp on this,
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but many people think that science is like something that changes with total precision day by day. Now we
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know. Everything that ever came before today was wrong, but now we know for certain the eternal
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scientific truths of the universe. That's not how it works. They're going to change their mind on
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masks again. They're going to change their mind on a whole lot of things again. You cannot
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simultaneously say that we can export, outsource all of our politics to the scientific lab coat
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experts because they are so invariably correct. And also they contradict themselves on a daily basis.
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You can't have those at the same time. Perhaps the more reasonable thing to do,
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would be take the advice of scientific experts and other sorts of advisors. Take that advice and then
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engage in the process of politics, which is what we're all doing in self-government, debating what kind
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of society we want to live in, what kind of risks we want to assume, how we want to get along together.
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That's probably what I would do. That's how politics is really supposed to be engaged in.
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But people are trying to cut that off left and right, including a Twitter, which is now trying to cut off
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the political process by declaring, unprecedented, declaring that President Trump is wrong.
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And ironically, they're saying he's wrong about things that he's actually right about and they're wrong about.
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This is a big deal. President Trump is being fact-checked on Twitter. But as you know,
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fact-checking is a relatively recent political phenomenon. I mean, actual fact-checking has been
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going on for a long time. But this journalistic phenomenon of fact-checking is probably at this
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point about 10 years old. And what fact-checks really mean is they are left-wing opinion columns
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that pretend that they are objectively, indisputably true. And so that's the fact-check
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that refutes right-wing opinion columns or opinion pieces. You see this in the Washington Post. They
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never call it the counterpoint. They never call it the left-wing point. They always call it the fact
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check, even though the fact-check is nothing more than a left-wing piece. So they're doing this now
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on Twitter. President Trump sends out a tweet, says, quote, there is no way, zero, that mail-in ballots
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will be anything less than substantially fraudulent. Mailboxes will be robbed, ballots will be forged,
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and even illegally printed out and fraudulently signed. The governor of California is sending
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ballots to millions of people. Anyone living in the state, no matter who they are or how they got
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there, will get one. That will be followed up with professionals telling all of these people,
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many of whom have never even thought of voting before, how and for whom to vote. This will be a
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rigged election, no way. So what Trump has just made is not, he hasn't even made a statement
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about what is currently happening or what has happened in the past, primarily. He's making a
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statement predicting what will happen in the future if there is an unprecedented policy that people are
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trying to push as the unprecedented response to the unprecedented coronavirus pandemic, right?
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There would be no way, if we're talking about mail-in voting across the country, there would be no way
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to gauge how, how that works out because it's never happened before. We've never had something of that
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scale. So he makes this prediction. Twitter decides to ding him with a fact check. And it's a, it's just
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a little blurb underneath. It says, get the real facts, get the facts about mail-in ballots with an
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exclamation point. You got to pay attention to this. Then you click on it and says, Trump makes
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unsubstantiated claims. And you know, this is basically, they're saying this is BS. Don't believe it.
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Except, and I, something tells me that the White House just has to know about this. They have to
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time these things because they know how the news is going to play out. The very same day that Trump
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makes this point that there will be voter fraud, which there will be having to do with mail-in ballots.
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We get a story out of West Virginia. Thomas Cooper, mail carrier in Pendleton County,
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was charged yesterday in a criminal complaint with attempted election fraud, according to U.S.
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Attorney Bill Powell. Cooper, 47 years old, is charged with attempts to defraud the residents
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of West Virginia of a fair election. This is based on the fact that in April, the clerk of Pendleton
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County received a 2020 primary election COVID-19 mail-in absentee requests from eight voters on
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which the voters' party ballot request appeared to have been altered. So they see, they get a bunch of
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these ballots where it looks like something changed. And now it turns out that this mail carrier,
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Thomas Cooper, was trying to commit election fraud. Just one guy on just one day that happens to be the
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day that President Trump tweets this and Twitter fact checks it. Sure looks like Trump's claims are
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substantiated to me. And don't forget, we're just talking about election fraud having to do with the mail
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system. There are other types of election fraud too. Non-citizens voting, lack of voter ID, people
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voting multiple times, bussing in from other counties and other states. All this sort of stuff has
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happened. Okay, all this sort of stuff happens regularly. We have many cases, well over a thousand
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documented cases in recent years. But even if we did, this is kind of the problem with voter fraud is
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you don't get a lot of documents on what actually happens. So we do have a lot of evidence that's
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happened. And presumably the problem is much, much larger than that. This is a big issue that
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Twitter is fact checking Trump. Because Twitter and Facebook and Google, right, and all these places
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have a monopoly over the flow of information on the internet. I'm not saying they have a monopoly over
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information per se, meaning there are still conservatives who are on Twitter, right? Trump is still on Twitter.
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So he can say his point of view. But they have a monopoly over the flow of the information.
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Because whenever Trump gives his point of view, they can smack a fact check here and say, nope,
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really, that's not true. Even if it is true. That's a very bad situation. We should not permit
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these decidedly left-wing big tech monopolists to control our flow of information and our elections.
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We haven't allowed that to happen in other ways that we communicate. We shouldn't allow it to happen
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here. You know I'm as skeptical of the government as anybody. But I am more skeptical of big tech.
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Because at least the government has some slight accountability to me. And there is no reason in
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the name of, I don't know, in the name of any kind of slogan, the free market that we need to allow
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Twitter and Google and Facebook to control our elections. It's not even, you wouldn't even make
00:36:53.580
a free market argument for that. But some people have suggested that sort of thing. No, no way,
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Buster. I'm not letting some Silicon Valley weirdos control my politics because of some misguided
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interpretation of a principle that I actually hold. Speaking of misinformation, turning to
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Washington state, not too far from Silicon Valley, we are now looking at the coronavirus death tally.
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And you know, certain things are a little bit wrong. Like for instance, the New York Times yesterday
00:37:25.540
published this piece with virtually all of the victims of coronavirus. Then you look down the list
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and you see the sixth name on the list did not die from coronavirus. He was murdered and left in the
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woods in New Jersey. Okay. Well, that's not coronavirus. I wonder how many other issues there
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are here. Well, we got one out of Washington state. Washington state's department of health
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has now confirmed that among the coronavirus death tally, they've included people who died from other
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causes, including gunshot injuries, which means I guess the virus is now picking up guns and we should
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all really be afraid. That certainly would terrify me if this Chinese virus decided to arm itself
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with, with firearms. The Freedom Foundation, which uncovered this, reported in remarks made during a
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telephone briefing, the DOH officials acknowledged knowingly, including knowingly, including multiple
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deaths caused by gunshot wounds in the state's COVID-19 fatality account. A reporter asked the Washington
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governor and failed presidential candidate Jay Inslee about it. And Jay went on the defensive.
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What sort of criteria are being used to mark these fatalities?
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Well, it's from the official documents, the best information we have from the local health
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officials. That's the best information we have. I'm not sure the relevance of what that group,
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I guess they're saying that that would make it 887 dead. That's okay. And we should not
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act responsibly if there's only 887 people instead of a thousand people. I'm not sure I understand that
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logic. I don't think anybody does understand it who knows any of these families who've lost a loved
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one. So, uh, I don't think that's a particularly persuasive argument, even if it was true.
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Yeah, that's not a persuasive argument because that's not the argument that anybody's making.
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That's the straw man that you're making because you got caught lying. He's saying what? So people
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are saying because we got the numbers wrong pretty significantly by double, double digit percentages
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that, uh, what, that we shouldn't take the virus seriously. I don't think that's a good argument.
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Yeah, of course it's not a good argument. That's why nobody's making that argument.
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We're just pointing out that you got the numbers wrong and you got them very wrong and you did
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something extraordinarily dumb, which is include gunshot victims as coronavirus deaths. And it's
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making us question, question your credibility on everything else having to do with this virus.
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Also because you guys have been wrong about this from day one. You've been wrong about the models.
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You've been wrong about the predictions. You've been wrong about the efficacy of masks.
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You've been wrong about putting sick people into nursing homes. You've just been wrong about
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everything basically. So yeah, we question your credibility here. And of course, Jay Inslee goes
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on the defensive. He, he fights this straw man. Then he attacks the people who are, who did the actual
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research, who did the investigation and who had their suspicions confirmed by the department of
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health, right? So it's the Washington state department of health is confirming that this
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mistake happened. And Jay Inslee writes it all off. It's a crazy conspiracy theory.
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The conspiracy theories that are fanning people's efforts to go out and do what this group did and
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argue that 887 dead is just not something to be worried about is really disappointing to me.
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I've heard people things say things that are from a different planet. And it's very unfortunate that
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some folks in public life have fanned the flames of misinformation in that regard because it's
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dangerous. It's dangerous to people's health. I have no reason to doubt the fatality numbers that we're
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using in the state of Washington right now. The problem is you got some people out there who are
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fanning these conspiracy claims from the planet Pluto. And it's just disgusting what they're trying
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to say of all these crazy deep state malarkey who are kind of suggest that this is not a problem in
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our state. I find that hard to accept with the number of dead in our state. So that's a problem and I hope
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it gets resolved. So nothing he just said is true. Not one single thing. Where's the fact check?
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Hey, Twitter, Twitter, where's your fact check on this demagogue and liar Jay Inslee?
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He said that people think that 887 dead is nothing to worry about. Nobody said that. Not a single
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person has said that. You said Jay Inslee is the only guy who said that. Nobody thinks that 887 dead is
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not something to worry about. We think that you Jay Inslee are something to worry about because you've
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lied about this and you've gotten everything wrong. And then you're smearing your constituents who
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showed that you got something wrong as some kind of crazy conspiracy theorists.
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Your own department of health admitted that the so-called conspiracy theorists were right and that
00:42:39.280
you were wrong. But there's no humility here. And this is something you've got to pay close attention
00:42:45.160
to this around the country. None of these politicians are going to admit that they got this
00:42:50.460
wrong. They can't do it. They are dispositionally incapable of that kind of humility, of that kind
00:42:58.840
of self-awareness. Narcissism is a professional risk of politics. And at the high levels, it's nearly
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a requirement. They're not going to admit they got it wrong. They're going to double down and they're
00:43:13.280
going to get nasty. And they're going to get vindictive. And they're going to try to ruin
00:43:16.840
people's lives. And they're going to try to smear all of their critics as conspiracy theorists,
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even when the state health departments admit that the conspiracy theorists were correct.
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This is what the left does all the time. You see it on Wikipedia now. Over the past couple of years,
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one thing that they've managed to do is for a huge number of prominent conservatives start,
00:43:38.300
they've included this phrase conspiracy theorists on their Wikipedia page. They never put conspiracy
00:43:45.720
theorists on James Comey's Wikipedia page because after James Comey said that there might be a Moscow
00:43:52.540
prostitute urine tape with Donald Trump in it based on nothing, that's conspiracy theory.
00:43:57.780
They never put a conspiracy theory mark on any of the left-wing journalists' Facebook pages,
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Jake Tapper, Jim Acosta, any of them who peddled the Russia lie and hoax for three years. They never
00:44:11.540
do that. But they will put conspiracy theorists on right-wingers just to convince people not to
00:44:17.380
listen to them. That's why they're going to put fact checks when President Trump says things which
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actually are true, so-called fact checks. It's just a way to signal don't believe this person,
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don't listen to this person. It's going to get very vindictive. The only way that we're going to be
00:44:32.120
able to get back to anything even resembling normal society as we once knew it in the way
00:44:37.800
back ago days of three or four months ago is by pushing fearlessly, not afraid of what they're
00:44:43.420
going to call us, not afraid of the consequences, which can be dire, not afraid of the digital
00:44:47.880
consequences, which can be dire. They won't just change your wiki. They won't just fact check your
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Twitter. They'll put videos of you all over the internet just like that creepy Karen in Central Park
00:44:56.400
did to Ms. Karen in Central Park, right? That is the kind of vitriol that we're talking about.
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We are in an election year. This is all geared toward the election. The ridiculous responses
00:45:07.200
from governors, the day-by-day more ridiculous responses of governors on lockdowns that no longer
00:45:15.700
have a scientific justification, the fact checks from Twitter, the rhetoric, the vicious rhetoric coming
00:45:23.820
from guys like Jay Inslee about citizen groups that are trying to correct the record.
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It's all the focus on certain highly charged, emotionally manipulative incidents in this country
00:45:34.620
to divide people on issues like race and sex. It is all geared toward November. That is only going to
00:45:41.880
get more intense. Don't let them fool you. Don't let them whip you up into that frenzy. Do not become
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either of those two crazy people in Central Park and don't get pleasure out of ruining people's lives.
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That's the trap. That's the trick. Don't let them dupe you. All right, that's our show. Got a lot more
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Hey everyone, it's Andrew Klavan, host of The Andrew Klavan Show. Social media, the same jackasses
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who turned us into a nation of Karens to make themselves rich, now think they should be able
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to censor and fact-check the President of the United States. I don't think so, and I'll talk about it