The Michael Knowles Show - Ep. 696 - National Games

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00:00:37.700 As Tom Brady put on his seventh Super Bowl ring, many people began calling him the greatest athlete of all time.

00:00:45.220 But some feminists dispute that claim. 1.00

00:00:47.320 They argue that Serena Williams, the tennis player, has won more championships.

00:00:52.200 And therefore, she is the greatest athlete of all time.

00:00:55.220 Now, I think it's ridiculous to compare male and female athletes to one another.

00:01:00.780 But even just looking at the female athletes, have these people never heard of Caitlyn Jenner?

00:01:06.360 Caitlyn's amazing.

00:01:07.740 Not only did she win the decathlon, but she even beat all the men doing it.

00:01:12.800 We'll get into all sorts of national games.

00:01:14.940 I'm Michael Knowles.

00:01:15.620 This is the Michael Knowles Show.

00:01:16.500 Welcome back to the show.

00:01:25.980 My favorite comment yesterday from Trey Best, who says the fact that Liz Cheney says that the fact that Trump was impeached in a bipartisan fashion is just her saying the fact that I voted for it is the reason that we should now listen to her.

00:01:40.460 Yes, this is basically true.

00:01:43.300 Liz Cheney comes out and she says, look, the impeachment of Trump, it was bipartisan.

00:01:48.100 And you say, well, hold on.

00:01:49.320 It was bipartisan.

00:01:49.700 It seemed like it was like 211 Republicans voted against it and like 10 of you voted for it.

00:01:59.620 Is that bipartisan?

00:02:00.900 I don't know if that's bipartisan.

00:02:02.340 That doesn't seem right to me.

00:02:04.680 I don't buy that.

00:02:06.200 But that is her argument because I am working with the Democrats.

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00:03:37.540 Did I say something wrong with regard to Serena Williams and Caitlyn Jenner?

00:03:42.500 What did I say that was wrong?

00:03:45.100 Because I have been told time and time and time again, I was just told this by the ACLU, we'll get to it in a moment, that trans women are women.

00:03:55.380 I've just been told by the Biden administration that trans women, you know, who maybe they look like men, maybe they have a bit of a husky voice, maybe they've got an Adam's apple and other male appendages. 0.82

00:04:05.900 A very pronounced, you know, I won't get into it.

00:04:12.320 However, they're women. 1.00

00:04:13.360 That's what I've been told.

00:04:14.660 So if that is the case, then Caitlyn Jenner is the greatest female athlete of all time.

00:04:22.000 There's no question.

00:04:22.460 Serena Williams couldn't beat all the men in the decathlon. 0.98

00:04:24.620 There's no chance.

00:04:25.180 Now, the left believes, they say that they believe that, that men can become women, right, that trans women are women, but none of them believe that we should call Caitlyn Jenner the greatest athlete of all time.

00:04:39.880 And by the way, you might, you might say, this is, this is one objection I've heard, but only from knuckle dragging conservatives.

00:04:45.000 They say, well, no, no, no, Caitlyn Jenner didn't win the decathlon. 0.94

00:04:47.760 Bruce Jenner won the decathlon, but now Bruce Jenner no longer exists and Bruce Jenner is Caitlyn Jenner.

00:04:51.960 No, that's not what they believe.

00:04:53.460 Go read the Wikipedia page.

00:04:54.720 Read the Arthur Ashe Courage Award description that, that Caitlyn Jenner won.

00:04:58.960 They believe, the left and the transgender ideologues believe, that Bruce Jenner never really existed.

00:05:06.160 Bruce was always Caitlyn.

00:05:07.820 He was always a woman trapped in a man's body and therefore those accomplishments go to, to Bruce. 1.00

00:05:13.480 Now, the reason I bring this up at all is a Democratic congressman, very radical guy from New York, Jamal Bowman, listed trying to attack Tom Brady.

00:05:22.480 He says, you know, kind of forget about Tom Brady.

00:05:25.020 The greatest athletes of all time are one, Muhammad Ali, two, Serena Williams, three, Tiger Woods.

00:05:33.060 Come again?

00:05:35.100 Number two is the big issue here.

00:05:36.740 I won't, I won't take issue with Muhammad Ali or even Tiger Woods at the moment, but I will take issue with Serena Williams.

00:05:41.660 She's obviously not the greatest athlete of all time because men are better athletes than women. 0.99

00:05:47.400 Doesn't mean that, that women's tennis can't be an interesting thing to watch, especially when Serena Williams is screaming at the referees. 1.00

00:05:52.920 But it's just to say that the men are stronger, they're faster, they're bigger than women. 0.99

00:05:58.660 This is just a fact.

00:05:59.920 We know that this is the case because Serena Williams herself, in the late 1990s, had a battle of the sexes where she said she thought she could beat a man who was ranked outside the top 200.

00:06:09.160 So, very famously, a player named Karsten Brosh, who was ranked, I think, 203 or 208, decided he would play Serena Williams.

00:06:18.020 Before their match, he prepared by playing a round of golf, smoking a bunch of cigarettes, and tossing back a few adult beverages.

00:06:25.340 He then beat one, he actually played back-to-back games with both Williams sisters.

00:06:30.360 He beat one of them six to one.

00:06:31.820 He beat the next one six to two.

00:06:33.500 It's just a fact of biology.

00:06:35.440 Men, men are better at sports.

00:06:38.020 We're not allowed to say this, though.

00:06:43.020 Even though now we're having these debates about the transgender games, and you have even many feminists coming out and saying, 0.99

00:06:51.220 wait a second, these men who now identify as women have an unfair advantage.

00:06:56.120 Well, the ACLU is here to tell you that's completely fake.

00:06:59.820 There is no advantage whatsoever.

00:07:01.260 This is the ACLU of South Dakota, apparently not the cleverest ACLU chapter.

00:07:06.220 They have an article out debunking the myths fueling anti-trans legislation.

00:07:12.280 This is because South Dakota lawmakers are trying to ban men from playing in women's sports.

00:07:18.760 So, they have these myths that they're busting and these facts.

00:07:23.580 Myth.

00:07:24.400 The participation of trans athletes hurts cis women.

00:07:27.620 Fact.

00:07:29.040 Including trans athletes will benefit everyone.

00:07:33.880 Okay.

00:07:35.540 Well, what's the argument for that?

00:07:37.120 It's kind of interesting, too, in this article.

00:07:38.600 They put the fact first because they want you to read that top line.

00:07:41.760 So, it looks, it's very confusing because it seems that they're, it says that we're going to debunk these things.

00:07:46.720 And they say, debunking, including trans athletes will benefit everyone. 1.00

00:07:49.780 It sounds like it's kind of actually the opposite article than it is.

00:07:51.820 Because, again, more evidence that they're not the brightest bulbs in the pack there.

00:07:55.520 Because their evidence is, many who oppose the inclusion of trans athletes erroneously claim that allowing trans athletes to compete will harm cisgender women.

00:08:03.520 This divide and conquer tactic gets it exactly wrong.

00:08:07.140 Excluding women who are trans hurts all women. 0.85

00:08:09.580 It invites gender policing that could subject any woman to invasive tests or accusations of being too masculine or too good at their sport to be a real woman. 0.99

00:08:19.840 Further, this myth reinforces stereotypes that those who identify as women are weak and in need of protection. 0.85

00:08:25.340 And then it kind of follows that down a little bit, too.

00:08:28.120 Now, they're making, they're kind of highlighting all of these talking points, these left-wing talking points.

00:08:33.760 But, it, they never address the actual claim, which is that the, the trans athletes are stronger, faster, bigger, right?

00:08:43.780 And, therefore, they'll beat the women. 1.00

00:08:45.560 They never address that anywhere in the debunking aspect.

00:08:48.800 Another one.

00:08:49.760 Fact.

00:08:50.160 Trans athletes do not have an unfair advantage in sports.

00:08:52.980 This is answering the myth, according to the ACLU, that trans athletes' physiological characteristics provide an unfair advantage over cis athletes.

00:09:00.800 Now, listen to their evidence here.

00:09:02.620 Women and girls who are trans face discrimination and violence that makes it difficult to remain in school.

00:09:07.660 According to the U.S. Trans Survey, 22% of trans women who were perceived as trans in school were harassed so badly they had to leave school because of it.

00:09:15.440 Another 10% were kicked out of school.

00:09:17.400 The idea that women and girls have an advantage because they are trans ignores the actual condition of their lives.

00:09:22.540 That's not what we're talking about.

00:09:24.440 Nobody is saying, the, the myth they're debunking is not that men who identify as women aren't bullied.

00:09:30.540 Indeed, the myth they're debunking, allegedly, is that the, the men are physically stronger.

00:09:36.100 They, they don't even begin to address that.

00:09:38.060 The rest of the article goes on in exactly the same way.

00:09:41.180 It's very, very strange to me that anybody could possibly believe this ideology.

00:09:50.660 You know, I gave, a couple of years ago when this really was cropping up, I had a speaking tour.

00:09:55.900 And one of the speeches on the tour was men are not women and other uncomfortable truths.

00:10:00.560 And I was, I was physically attacked because I gave this speech.

00:10:03.660 And, and at the time it didn't make sense, but it's starting to make sense to me.

00:10:07.760 It's starting to make sense because the, the problem is, well, one, you have to not believe

00:10:14.860 your own lying eyes, right?

00:10:16.100 To believe that like Billy, you know, who now goes by Bethany is, uh, not physically stronger

00:10:24.580 than an actual woman.

00:10:26.400 Um, but the other reason is because these two aspects of leftist ideology contradict one another.

00:10:32.380 On the one hand, uh, the, the LG part of LGBT, we're told you are born with certain sexual

00:10:40.260 orientations and attractions.

00:10:41.780 You can't change them, right?

00:10:43.040 I'm born this way.

00:10:44.080 No one would choose to be born this way.

00:10:46.060 That was what they said in the nineties.

00:10:47.100 Now they don't really say that anymore.

00:10:48.260 But, uh, you know, because sex and sexual orientation is immutable, therefore we ought to tolerate

00:10:54.680 sort of homosexual attractions and relationships.

00:10:57.020 Okay.

00:10:57.240 Makes perfect sense to me.

00:10:59.000 But then at the same time, they say, also, there's no such thing as sex.

00:11:02.140 There's no such thing as gender.

00:11:03.880 Everything's changeable.

00:11:04.720 Nothing is immutable and men can actually become women.

00:11:08.140 They say, well, that doesn't make any sense.

00:11:09.840 If there's no such thing as immutable sex, innate sex, then there is no such thing as L or G.

00:11:19.060 Andrew Sullivan, a gay guy, wrote an essay about this just a few years ago.

00:11:23.020 Now, how on earth will we resolve this problem?

00:11:27.600 A lot of conservatives say that the transgender activism is, is going to sort of finally awaken

00:11:34.980 many leftists to the incoherence of some of their ideology.

00:11:39.720 I don't think so anymore.

00:11:41.640 I don't think that's true because I was, I was recently rereading George Orwell and, and

00:11:46.460 George Orwell describes this process exactly.

00:11:49.260 He says at the heart of the regime, the dystopian regime that he's describing is double think.

00:11:56.160 And what double think is, is the ability to hold two contradictory ideas in your mind at

00:12:02.800 the same time, right?

00:12:05.540 Western philosophy is going all the way back to dear old uncle Aristotle is based on the

00:12:11.320 idea that you can't do that or that, or rather that the, you know, a thing cannot be what

00:12:16.820 it is and not what it is at the same time, non-contradiction.

00:12:21.220 But double think in the dystopian regime of George Orwell is this idea that actually a

00:12:26.560 thing can be one thing and it's opposite or, and something different at the same time.

00:12:30.520 And this is how they maintain power because what we are told by Orwell is that if you have

00:12:38.320 double think, if you're holding two contradictory ideas at the same time, then you are unwilling

00:12:43.240 or un, and unable to think very deeply about a lot of ideas.

00:12:48.560 I think that is what the left is, is banking on.

00:12:51.320 Now, I, I, I don't think that this contradiction is, is a bug of political correctness or of

00:13:00.780 leftism.

00:13:01.400 I think it's a feature.

00:13:03.580 I think it is a way to undermine our confidence in reason or to undermine our confidence in

00:13:09.040 objective truth.

00:13:09.800 This is, this is what the left has been pushing for a long time.

00:13:12.100 Do you remember when the Smithsonian Institution put out a flyer about a year or so ago saying

00:13:19.400 that rational thought and objective reality is a characteristic of whiteness and we need to 1.00

00:13:26.040 get rid of it?

00:13:26.860 And here is sort of an offensive flyer that they put out, but it, but it's all part and

00:13:31.000 parcel of the same, the same ideology.

00:13:35.340 I'm, I'm no longer confident that leftism, political correctness, wokeism, whatever you

00:13:41.180 want to call it, is going to undo itself on, on its own contradictions because the

00:13:49.320 contradictions are the point.

00:13:51.380 We're still dealing in the realm of logic, but what, what these kinds of ideologies are

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00:15:16.020 Speaking of leftist double think, Jen Psaki, our favorite White House press secretary of 0.99

00:15:22.320 the Biden administration, the only White House press secretary of the Biden administration,

00:15:25.760 is facing some tough questions.

00:15:28.740 Only from one reporter, Peter Doocy, who's clearly a little more right-leaning.

00:15:33.220 Joe Biden promised before the election that he would not destroy union jobs.

00:15:39.120 Then his policies have already destroyed a lot of union jobs.

00:15:42.440 Joe Biden promises, don't worry, you're going to get better jobs.

00:15:44.860 You're going to get green jobs.

00:15:46.200 You're going to get super duper jobs sometime in the future.

00:15:49.460 Peter Doocy asks Jen Psaki to explain just when those jobs are going to show up.

00:15:53.600 Fossil fuel industry workers, whether it's pipeline workers or construction workers, 0.50

00:15:58.940 who are either out of work or will soon be out of work because of a Biden EO, when it

00:16:04.840 is and where it is that they can go for their green job.

00:16:08.180 Well, I'd certainly welcome you to present your data of all the thousands and thousands

00:16:12.700 of people who won't be getting a green job.

00:16:15.320 Maybe next time you're here, you can present that.

00:16:17.400 But you said that they would be getting green jobs, so I'm just asking when that happened.

00:16:21.280 Richard Trumka, who is a friend, longtime friend of Joe Biden, says about that day one

00:16:26.360 keystone EO, he says, I wish he, the president, had paired that more carefully with the thing

00:16:32.180 that he did second by saying, here's where we are creating the jobs.

00:16:36.860 So there's partial evidence from Richard Trumka.

00:16:40.480 Well, you didn't include all of his interview.

00:16:43.020 Would you like to include the rest?

00:16:44.280 So how about this? The Laborers International Union of North America said the keystone decision

00:16:49.340 will cost 1,000 existing union jobs and 10,000 projected construction jobs.

00:16:54.900 Well, what Mr. Trumka also indicated in the same interview was that President Biden has

00:17:00.220 proposed a climate plan with transformative investments and infrastructure.

00:17:04.360 OK, there's a whole lot there. There's no answer. At no point does she answer the question.

00:17:08.740 But there is a whole lot there to dissect because Peter Doocy asks the simple question.

00:17:15.860 Biden is costing people, costing these sort of workers at least 10,000, 11,000 jobs,

00:17:19.980 probably more. When are they going to get the jobs that are going to replace them?

00:17:23.680 And Jen Psaki gives this glib answer because she's, she's just known for her glibness, 1.00

00:17:29.640 for sort of brushing it off, dismissing things. Oh yeah, Space Force. Yeah,

00:17:32.940 it's the air flight of the future. Ha ha ha. No, we're asking you serious questions.

00:17:36.360 So the question is, when are they going to get their jobs? She says, well,

00:17:39.940 if you want to prove to me that they're not going to get their jobs, maybe you can do that next time.

00:17:46.080 Peter Doocy says, that's, that's not at all, at all what I asked. The premise of my question is not

00:17:51.280 that they're never going to get the jobs. I'm asking you, the person responsible for communicating

00:17:55.480 this policy, when they will get the jobs that you have already promised. He says, you know,

00:18:02.020 even the head of Richard Trumka, the head of the AFL-CIO, the biggest labor union in America,

00:18:10.060 he's, he is saying, you know, where's the jobs? Now then she, because she at least remembers the 0.85

00:18:16.000 Trumka quote, she says, well, did you finish the quote? He says, yeah, you know, the jobs haven't

00:18:22.560 materialized. She goes, no, but the rest of the quote, Peter, is that he knows that Joe Biden has a

00:18:28.340 plan. And so at the end of all of that, we've got, how long was that answer, that back and forth,

00:18:33.060 that whole exchange? We have no answer. The, the, the starting point of the question was,

00:18:39.180 Joe Biden says he has a plan, but when is that plan going to materialize? The ending point after

00:18:45.200 all that little back and forth debate is he has a plan. What's the plan? When's it going to happen?

00:18:54.320 So this, this was not a conversation. This is like just a blather, masquerading as conversation.

00:19:03.040 So do see, to his credit pushes it one more time. He tries to get an answer out of Jen Psaki. 0.73

00:19:07.320 There are people living paycheck to paycheck. There are now people out of jobs. Once the Keystone,

00:19:12.040 out of jobs, once the Keystone pipeline stopped construction, it's been 12 days since Gina McCarthy

00:19:17.660 and John Kerry were here. And it's been 19 days since that EO. So what are these people who need money

00:19:22.040 now? When do they get their green jobs? Well, uh, the, the president and many Democrats and

00:19:28.680 Republicans in Congress believe that investment in infrastructure, building infrastructure, uh,

00:19:33.960 that's international interests, uh, and the boosts the U S economy creates good paying union jobs here 0.82

00:19:38.800 in America and advances our climate and clean energy goals are something that we can certainly work on

00:19:43.660 doing together. And he has every plan to, uh, share more about his, uh, details of that plan in the,

00:19:48.540 in the weeks ahead. Oh, good. He's got a plan to announce the plan and look, infrastructure,

00:19:54.540 infra infrastructure. What, what are you talking about? You're just saying words. You're just,

00:20:00.320 it's a very specific question. Where are these union energy jobs going to, what's going to happen

00:20:04.360 with them? Uh, uh, you know, um, plans, strategies, plans, no answer. Uh, this is in part because Jen

00:20:15.120 Psaki is actually worse at her job than her predecessors. And probably Joe Biden should 1.00

00:20:19.800 have picked, uh, TJ Ducklow, his, uh, communications guy from the campaign trail. I don't just say this

00:20:25.000 because we bear a passing resemblance to one another. Uh, but Psaki's really, really given

00:20:29.120 weak sauce here, but it's not entirely Psaki's fault. Uh, the Biden administration also has no answer.

00:20:33.780 Now, speaking of paychecks and policy, I, something very strange has happened over the past few days.

00:20:42.860 Mitt Romney has proposed legislation. First of all, very few senators actually propose any

00:20:49.440 legislation anymore. Mitt Romney has done it. And in a way the legislation is quite conservative and it,

00:20:56.660 it does have to do with how to get paychecks to people who need it right now. Uh, I want to be a

00:21:03.620 little more nuanced about my view of Mitt Romney's legislation because some conservatives are furious

00:21:08.840 at it. Some very conservative people are thrilled about it. What the legislation does is it's called

00:21:15.960 the Family Security Act. And what it proposes to do is basically pay people to have kids.

00:21:23.680 It's not quite that simple, but the, the Family Security Act would provide a $350 per month check

00:21:30.600 to families with a child under the age of six and a $250 per month check to families with a child

00:21:37.660 under the age of 17. So it goes down a little bit as they get older. In total, a family could receive

00:21:43.040 up to $4,200 per year, uh, per child under the age of six and $3,000 per year per child, uh, older than

00:21:51.060 six, but younger than 17. Payments could start up to four months before the baby is due. So a lot of

00:21:59.040 conservatives are very afraid of this. One, because it comes from Mitt Romney and we're all skeptical.

00:22:02.580 This is the man who invented Obamacare, but, uh, also because this involves direct payments.

00:22:07.960 So you're telling me you're gonna have the federal government just start cutting checks to people.

00:22:11.060 Uh, some conservatives, especially more social conservatives who don't care as much about

00:22:18.100 the market stuff, uh, are thrilled about this. They say, good. Finally, we've got a, a serious policy.

00:22:25.060 The conservatives are going to get serious about promoting families. I think the reality of this

00:22:30.440 policy is somewhere in the middle. You know how much I hate being in the middle. I think if you

00:22:33.820 stand in the middle of the road, you're going to get hit by a truck, but I, I don't think we should

00:22:37.960 jump onto board with this policy right away, but I also don't think we should dismiss it out of hand.

00:22:42.540 The good things about this policy are that it would encourage people to have babies. We need to do 1.00

00:22:49.440 that. We have a dying population in this country and a lot of our problems stem from that.

00:22:52.940 Or it's a little bit of a chicken in the egg because a lot of our social problems are causing

00:22:59.040 the decline in birth rates, but the decline in birth rates are causing a lot of other public

00:23:02.780 policy problems like the need for mass migration just to keep the economy afloat, those sorts of

00:23:07.440 things. Uh, this sort of policy has been tried before, notably in Hungary or Bonn. The leader there

00:23:14.000 in Hungary has tried this. Uh, he's gone even further though. He's, he's offered people like

00:23:18.220 massive loans just to have kids. And then if they start, if they have like more than three kids,

00:23:23.000 they don't even have to pay back the loan. Uh, in a way I kind of prefer that policy to this policy.

00:23:29.200 There are some pitfalls here though. One, Mitt Romney says that this policy is going to be

00:23:33.820 deficit neutral because it's going to, we're going to fix up some other, you know, welfare programs.

00:23:38.820 And therefore you're not going to have to pay an extra penny for it. That's just not how these

00:23:41.880 programs tend to work. Generally speaking, you end up spending a lot more money, but you don't make

00:23:46.940 the cuts that you need to make. But the other issue here is Hungary and the United States are

00:23:52.420 different countries. Hungary is a much more conservative country in many ways than the

00:23:56.060 United States. Uh, here in the United States, I can see this opening up a whole slew of problems,

00:24:01.760 namely who gets the credit. In Hungary, you've got to be married. You've got to, you know,

00:24:06.460 there's a very specific definition of marriage in Hungary. Uh, there, it's a much more socially

00:24:12.320 cohesive sort of country than the United States is at the moment here. Could, could a policy like this

00:24:18.840 encourage out of wedlock births, you know, encourage people basically not to get married.

00:24:26.020 Uh, could a, could this involve, uh, encourage single mothers to just have children on their own 0.68

00:24:30.860 by going to a sperm bank or something like that? Would this policy be applied the same way to

00:24:37.300 a traditional marriage as it would to say a monogamous same sex couple, or let's say a 0.78

00:24:44.380 throuple or let's say a commune or let's say, I don't know. I mean, I'm being a little outlandish

00:24:49.600 here just to show the point that our very definition of family and marriage is completely

00:24:54.900 in flux. It's hotly debated. So a fam, a family security act is going to have to, uh, answer that

00:25:01.080 question first. Uh, you could see this exacerbating certain social questions as well. And then

00:25:07.140 there's also this problem of getting people hooked on the government, which is a very real problem.

00:25:12.580 I'm, I'm not a free market purist in the sense that I don't think free markets are the be all

00:25:17.740 and end all of politics. I think they're a wonderful instrument for human flourishing and for, for other

00:25:21.840 great things in politics. But, uh, you do risk something here of getting people hooked on the

00:25:26.800 government and hooked on what would be an early version of, of UBI, universal basic income, which is

00:25:31.440 very, very bad and inhuman sort of policy. So all of that to say, I'm, I believe it or not, I'm actually

00:25:37.840 kind of interested in this thing Mitt Romney is saying, but we need to be very, very careful here.

00:25:42.300 We need to sort out the details and we can't assume anything on, on the cultural level. And we need to

00:25:48.180 be very wary of getting us hooked on these kinds of economic programs that can funnel in a lot of bad

00:25:53.160 cultural stuff as well. You know, Matt Walsh is going to be talking about all sorts of, all sorts

00:26:00.680 of matters of family culture from a very right-wing perspective. So make sure to check that out live

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00:27:19.720 We should take Mitt Romney's pro family bill seriously. We really should, but we have to

00:27:29.560 work out the kinks. I think there are a lot of potential pitfalls right now. And you know,

00:27:34.840 if you, if you pass a, a flawed bill with this kind of an ambition, you, you could really shoot

00:27:41.840 yourself in the foot. So, you know, take it seriously, but we got it. We got to really debate

00:27:45.180 the details here. A vote that we don't really need to debate too much that I really want us to

00:27:49.620 take immediately is from, uh, comes to us from Tom Cotton. Senator Tom Cotton wants Democrats to go on

00:27:56.040 the record on the question of court packing. Mr. President, last year in certain fringe quarters

00:28:01.980 of the democratic party, it seemed popular to call for packing the Supreme court for expanding the number

00:28:07.240 of justices on the court because you don't like their political rulings. Now, obviously all Republicans

00:28:12.480 oppose such a radical idea, yet many democratic politicians to include Joe Biden, to include

00:28:18.680 a few senators in this chamber tonight, contorted themselves to avoid taking a position on this

00:28:24.100 issue, twisting themselves into pretzels on the campaign trail to simply say we ought not pack the

00:28:29.880 Supreme court because we don't like their rulings. So I offer a simple amendment, an amendment that is

00:28:34.900 backed by famous liberals like Ruth Bader Ginsburg, that we should not pack the Supreme court.

00:28:40.300 Now I understand the Democrats are going to raise a point of order saying this is not germane,

00:28:45.860 yet more contortions to avoid taking a simple stance on this issue. So I would invite my democratic

00:28:51.820 colleagues who have said they don't want to pack the court, simply waive this point of order and

00:28:55.900 let's have an up or down vote on one of the most fundamental tenets of the rule of law that you do

00:29:00.720 not pack the courts because you don't like the way they rule. I yield back my time and I encourage

00:29:05.600 your support. So if, if you're wondering why Tom Cotton is bringing up this vote on whether or not

00:29:11.920 to pack the Supreme court seemingly at random, it's because, uh, without going too much into detail,

00:29:18.180 this was part of, of a very complicated Senate process whereby the Democrats get a lot of things

00:29:23.780 that they want, but it opens up the floor to all sorts of amendments. And because the Republicans are,

00:29:28.820 are not in power right now, all they can do is force Democrats to take votes they don't want to take.

00:29:32.960 And so a lot of Republicans were doing this and this is, this is the vote that Tom Cotton was

00:29:38.220 pushing for. Uh, this is very important to know whether or not the Democrats are going to pack

00:29:44.900 the Supreme court because we were promised before the election promised by Joe Manchin. We were

00:29:50.860 promised by Joe Biden, you know, leaks that came out of the Biden campaign. Oh, Joe's not interested

00:29:56.280 in that. Joe doesn't want that kind of radical policy. He wants unity and healing. Remember that unity

00:30:01.620 and healing. Joe Manchin, no, we're not going to pack the court. Don't worry. Don't worry about us.

00:30:05.880 Well, since Joe Biden got into office, he has signed off on the most radical executive orders

00:30:14.000 he could have. There has been no moderation. There has been no unity and healing.

00:30:20.420 Joe Biden then institutes a, uh, commission to study reform to the Supreme court,

00:30:26.860 all of which is a way to slowly, slowly, patiently, gradually try to pack the court.

00:30:34.000 This is what Democrats do. They're much better at it than Republicans. Democrats play a much longer

00:30:38.920 game. And by slow walking things and going gradually and gradually and building consensus,

00:30:43.600 what do they do? They radically, uh, overturn so many of, of our institutions and rituals and so

00:30:51.680 much of the old order. Uh, obviously they're, they're not going to get this vote, but we,

00:30:56.220 we do need to keep the pressure up on them. We, we really need to get these guys on the record

00:31:00.280 because the, the whole point of having this commission is to start the process now so that

00:31:06.380 by the time they do pack the court, no one's going to remember it. No one's going to pay attention.

00:31:09.900 Much better to get them on the record. Speaking of trials, by the way,

00:31:13.260 we have this impeachment trial this week. I'm going to be flying actually to DC to participate

00:31:19.960 in this, not, not to participate. I'm not going to be, uh, you know, presenting any evidence or

00:31:24.380 voting or anything like that, but, uh, we will be there. We're going to be covering it with verdict,

00:31:28.360 uh, which you'll recall my podcast with Senator Cruz actually began last year during the last

00:31:33.420 impeachment trial. But now a year later, it's deja vu all over again, groundhog day again,

00:31:38.320 and they're impeaching Trump, except maybe they're not. Maybe they're not. Cause there

00:31:43.300 was an impeachment vote in the house goes to a trial, but Trump's no longer president.

00:31:48.480 So is it an impeachment trial or is it not? Republicans have been arguing this is

00:31:52.820 unconstitutional, doesn't meet the constitutional standards for impeachment. So far Democrats have

00:31:58.580 kept a unified front, but democratic Senator Chris Murphy on one of the Sunday shows on Chris

00:32:04.000 Wallace's show actually had to admit that maybe this trial is not constitutionally legit.

00:32:10.360 I think we have a constitutional responsibility to hold this trial. And I think you laid this out

00:32:15.860 for Senator Paul. There is clear precedent for the Senate moving forward on impeachment trial,

00:32:20.980 once being sent articles, even after an official has left office. And so, you know, my analysis here

00:32:26.100 sort of begins and ends with what is my constitutional responsibility. I don't think our job ends just

00:32:31.680 because the president has left office in part because impeachment comes not only with a provision

00:32:36.040 to remove an official from office, but to disqualify them for future office. So there is

00:32:40.800 still a consequence to a president Trump if convicted. Okay. So Chris Murphy gets all the

00:32:45.840 Democrat talking points out at the top, right? Yes. We have a responsibility to hold the trial,

00:32:50.240 the house impeached. We have a responsibility. We have to do it. The, the, the impeachment provision

00:32:54.480 of the constitution includes not just removing a president from office, but also preventing him from

00:32:59.660 running for office in the future. You can tell how confident Democrats are that Trump is unpopular,

00:33:04.640 that they are desperately after he's out of office, trying to prevent him from running again,

00:33:09.520 probably because they think that no one would vote for him, right? Yeah. Is that why? Not so sure

00:33:13.620 about that. What he's saying here, by the way, is hotly debated. And I just don't think it's true.

00:33:19.400 What the impeachment provision of the constitution says is you will remove and prevent from running

00:33:26.240 for office in the future, but you can't remove him from office. So if you can't remove him from

00:33:32.140 office, you're not fulfilling the impeachment provision. So it's not legit. So you can't

00:33:36.260 prevent him from running for office in the future. The Senate can't just start taking boats and saying,

00:33:40.320 Hey, yeah, we don't like the cut of Johnny's jib. He can never run for president.

00:33:44.580 They're very specific criteria that need to be followed here. So after Chris Murphy gets out his kind

00:33:49.600 of bogus argument and all of the Democratic talking points, he's pressed further and further and further.

00:33:53.820 And he does have to admit, Hmm, maybe, maybe this isn't quite so constitutional as we've been

00:34:00.400 pretending it is. I will admit that this is of course a matter of first impression. Uh, and so

00:34:06.120 I don't think the case that Senator Paul is making here is a ridiculous one. Um, I come to a different

00:34:12.660 judgment. I think that that clause that gives Congress the responsibility to deny an official,

00:34:18.760 uh, future office, uh, requires us to take this step, even though the president has left office.

00:34:24.840 Listen to those caveats. He says the case that Rand Paul is making, which is the case that all of us

00:34:29.500 conservatives have been making, which is that this is not a constitutional impeachment trial.

00:34:33.280 Yeah. Okay. It's not ridiculous. And then the other caveat right at the top, he goes, well, look,

00:34:37.400 this is, this is just a matter of first impression. First impression, Chris, we've been talking about

00:34:42.460 this for weeks and weeks and months and months. And you impeached the guy last year. Probably,

00:34:45.860 presumably you've thought about the question of impeachment before. Why would you say this is a

00:34:50.600 matter of first impression? Because you know that the argument you're making is bogus and you want

00:34:55.780 to give yourself a little bit of an out. Fair enough. I'm, I mean, I'm glad you're at least

00:34:59.900 admitting that much. It's more than most Democrats will do. Uh, Lindsey Graham, I think described very

00:35:04.980 well what this impeachment is, uh, really going to amount to, which is that it's a farce. It's a partisan

00:35:10.640 exercise and it ain't going nowhere. Well, it's not a crime. I mean, uh, the house is

00:35:15.700 impeaching him under the theory that his speech created a riot. When you look at the facts,

00:35:21.240 many people had already planned the, to attack the Capitol before he ever spoke.

00:35:25.560 Well, the trial memorandum from that, I think was the trial memorandum from the house impeachment

00:35:29.940 managers actually lays out a pattern of behavior. They say it wasn't just the speech. They say this

00:35:34.340 was cultivated over time. Yeah. Well, here's what I would say that if you believe he committed a crime,

00:35:40.860 he can be prosecuted like any other citizen. Impeachment is a political process. We've never

00:35:46.800 impeached a president once they're out of office. I think this is a very bad idea. Uh, 45 plus

00:35:53.580 Republicans are going to vote early on that it's unconstitutional. It's not a question of how the

00:35:59.560 trial ends. It's a question of when it ends. Republicans are going to view this as an unconstitutional

00:36:05.500 exercise. And the only question is, will they call witnesses? How long does the trial take?

00:36:11.660 But the outcome is really not in doubt. Okay. I broadly agree with Lindsey Graham here. He actually

00:36:16.660 kind of undercut his own argument a little bit though. And maybe he was just speaking loosely.

00:36:20.540 I could, I could see some ways in, uh, some different ways to interpret that. But at the

00:36:24.300 beginning, right, he says what Trump did is not a crime. Now this is an answer to the question.

00:36:31.040 Look, Trump incited an insurrection. Therefore, you know, you've got to impeach him, right?

00:36:35.440 And what Lindsey Graham says is no, no. I, Lindsey Graham has said, I think Trump acted rashly. I

00:36:42.060 don't think he should have, he was irresponsible in his language. He shouldn't have said what he said.

00:36:46.480 But you can criticize the president for the things he said between the election and January 6th

00:36:51.600 and still conclude, as I think you have to conclude, he didn't commit any crime.

00:36:57.020 What crime did he commit? First of all, he didn't incite an insurrection. He said

00:37:01.360 before, during, and after the riot, don't be violent, be peaceful. Much more than you can say

00:37:06.320 about Democrats during the BLM riots. But what crime did he commit? So when Lindsey Graham at the

00:37:13.180 end of that says, look, impeachment's a political process. Well, yes and no, it's a political process,

00:37:17.760 but it does have a legal aspect too. Namely, you need to commit a high crime or misdemeanor.

00:37:22.240 And then the political process takes over from there. I don't even know what crime they could

00:37:27.920 accuse Trump of committing. He didn't commit a crime. That's the legal aspect. Then you move

00:37:35.360 on to the political question. There's no way politically the guy is going to get convicted

00:37:39.640 unless something dramatically changes. Some new shocking evidence comes out between now and,

00:37:46.980 and the end of the impeachment trial, quote unquote impeachment trial, you've already got 45 senators

00:37:52.120 on the record saying they're not going to vote to convict. So it's just a farce. So much for unity

00:38:00.760 and healing. Why are they, why are they going forward with this? Because all we can talk about

00:38:05.220 is Trump. One, the Democrats are genuinely afraid of Trump. Two, the establishment needs to have Trump.

00:38:13.300 They love Trump. They need Trump to kick around. They need Trump as this embodiment of evil that

00:38:17.700 they can, they can go after. Even Joe Biden is still, still talking about Trump. They're so afraid

00:38:24.220 of Trump. They're so fascinated by Trump that, that Joe Biden was just asked on CBS whether or not

00:38:29.760 he will extend to Trump the courtesy extended to all former presidents in the modern era to receive

00:38:38.880 intelligence briefings. Joe Biden, uh, he doesn't think that's such a good idea.

00:38:44.080 Should former president Trump still receive intelligence briefings?

00:38:49.000 I think not.

00:38:51.860 Why not?

00:38:53.820 Because of his erratic behavior unrelated to the insurrection.

00:38:59.700 I mean, you've called him an existential threat. You've called him dangerous. You've called him reckless.

00:39:04.360 Yeah, I have. And I believe it. What's your worst fear if he continues to get these intelligence

00:39:09.940 briefings?

00:39:13.740 I'd rather not speculate out loud. I just think that there is no need for him to have that,

00:39:19.020 that intelligence briefing. What value is giving him an intelligence briefing? What impact does he

00:39:24.360 have at all other than the fact he might slip and say something?

00:39:27.460 So, this could be said of any former president, right? Bill Clinton could slip and say something.

00:39:34.600 Think about all of the, uh, irresponsible activities that Bill Clinton has been engaging in

00:39:39.140 since he left office. I'm not just talking about going house to house, you know, along with the

00:39:45.820 milkman in, in Chappaqua. I'm also talking about all of his foreign affairs. You don't think, uh,

00:39:51.800 Bill Clinton, who's a little loose with his behavior, you don't think that's a threat?

00:39:54.860 What about, remember what they said about George Bush, how terrible George Bush was? He's a war

00:40:00.540 criminal. The Democrats were talking about that for years and years. George Bush still gets his

00:40:05.100 intelligence briefings. What is it with Trump? They, they, she asks him, Joe, what, what do you,

00:40:10.920 what's your big fear here? He says, I'd rather not speculate. It's very clear. It's very clear what

00:40:15.720 his fear is. He's, he's afraid that Trump is going to run again against him or against, you know,

00:40:20.920 whoever will be running in 2024. And, uh, they fear that, that Trump could do very well. And, uh,

00:40:28.720 the, the key attack on Joe Biden during the campaign is that he was crooked. He had corrupt

00:40:32.960 dealings in China, in Ukraine, uh, through his son's shell companies. And I have no doubt that Joe

00:40:41.320 Biden is very afraid that Trump is going to receive information that could in some way pertain to that.

00:40:46.580 Uh, we, we know that the, uh, intelligence agencies had information about Hunter Biden's

00:40:54.400 activities. We know, we know a lot of people had information on Hunter Biden's activities

00:40:58.640 and perhaps Joe Biden's activities there too. So he won't speculate. I wonder why,

00:41:03.840 maybe we can speculate why he won't speculate. Either way, not, not a great way to have unity and

00:41:09.220 healing. You know, speaking of unity and healing, there's a, there's an article. I don't want to spend

00:41:14.600 too much time on it, but it's the craziest column I've read in a long time. And I just read the ACLU

00:41:18.380 column, uh, debunking transgender myths today. This column was in the LA times called, what can

00:41:23.740 you do about the Trump bites next door? Where some woman says that, uh, she's a big lib, but she has 1.00

00:41:31.740 these Trump supporting neighbors and they, they plowed her driveway. And that's very, very nice thing to

00:41:36.980 do, isn't it? And, uh, so she was thinking, well, I'm grateful to them for doing this, but I still hate

00:41:42.800 them because they're Trump supporters. Then she compared the Trump supporters to Hezbollah,

00:41:46.780 which, uh, quote, also gives things away for free. She then, uh, compared her neighbors to,

00:41:51.720 uh, Louis Farrakhan, who runs the nation of Islam. Uh, she then compared her Trump supporting neighbors

00:41:57.340 who plowed her driveway to the Nazis who, uh, who were sometimes said to be very polite.

00:42:03.640 Nazis can be polite too. And so she, uh, you know, still hates her neighbors, 1.00

00:42:08.380 but she's willing to get her driveway plaid. We've said this time and time again on this show.

00:42:15.820 The only way we get unity and healing is if the left wants to have unity and healing.

00:42:20.240 Your, your opponent in politics and war, your opponent gets a say and they, they do not want

00:42:26.920 unity and healing right now, it would seem. And so we're at a stalemate. We can't force it.

00:42:31.740 We can't force it. We just have to deal in the realities that we are living in, no matter how

00:42:36.900 much squishy Republicans want to suck up to Democrats. It's going to be up to Democrats 0.89

00:42:41.200 to come and try to unify the country too. Right now they have no desire to do that.

00:42:49.060 You know, I was recently rereading Edmund Burke, Reflections on the Revolution in France

00:42:54.500 and, uh, one of the great, great conservative works of all time. Edmund Burke credited with

00:42:58.560 founding modern conservatism and, uh, Burke's, Burke's, uh, attack on France. There are many attacks

00:43:05.520 he makes on France, but one of them is that the revolutionaries there, they destroyed all

00:43:11.420 the old traditions. They destroyed all the old laws. They destroyed even the old neighborhoods,

00:43:17.560 the old way to sort of the geography to divvy up the whole country. He says, the French revolutionaries

00:43:24.620 treated their own country in the way that other nations have treated conquered lands.

00:43:31.940 The French revolutionaries treated their own people in the way that prior, uh, warmongers,

00:43:41.420 prior conquerors would have treated subjugated peoples, but they did it to themselves. This

00:43:47.220 act of masochism, this act of sort of national suicide. Hard not to see the parallels to the

00:43:54.920 modern left, which deplores our nation's traditions, deplores our nation's history, hates our nation's

00:44:02.620 founding fathers, tears down statues of the great men who built this country, and also deplores the

00:44:08.320 American people themselves. I use deplore intentionally. That's the word that Hillary Clinton used to refer

00:44:15.000 to half of her countrymen. Deplorable, irredeemable. Even when we plow their snow out of their driveways,

00:44:25.100 they call us Nazis. On the pages of the LA Times, this isn't even some fringe lady. I mean,

00:44:31.640 they're behaving like fringe people, but this is a very mainstream person writing in the LA Times.

00:44:35.880 saying, yeah, thanks for plowing my driveway, but you're still a Nazi. 0.92

00:44:42.960 Bad state, bad state for the country. And it, it, uh, in, in that sort of situation,

00:44:48.640 reconciliation, coming together, meeting in the middle, probably not a great plan.

00:44:53.540 If you've got two people who, you know, they both love their country. One has one vision for the

00:44:58.900 country. One has another vision of the country, but they both, they both really love the country.

00:45:01.600 They both wave the American flag. Coming together, meeting in the middle, that might,

00:45:06.200 might not be the worst idea. But when you've got one person who loves the country, one person who

00:45:11.220 hates the country, meeting in the middle is a very, very bad idea. That you can't, you actually can't

00:45:15.620 meet in the middle. There is no middle there. There's, there can be no neutrality between you like

00:45:21.740 your country or you hate your country. What, do you just feel indifferent about your country?

00:45:24.920 Not how politics works. Politics does not work on indifference. The, the one way,

00:45:31.600 I, I try when I can to, uh, have a little unity and healing, you know, uh, obviously not on matters

00:45:37.420 of the kind of substantive policy or supporting these politicians, but I actually, I will just,

00:45:42.500 just in that spirit, trying, hoping beyond hope to bring our country together. I will sort of defend

00:45:48.760 Joe Biden in a very, very limited way in a very specific way. Joe Biden just did this interview

00:45:54.460 on COVID and he's being attacked for apparently engaging in sexism. Uh, take a listen to what

00:46:02.360 he said. See if you consider this sexist. Well, are you a freshman at the university?

00:46:08.780 No, no. You look like a freshman. Well, thank you. No, thank you for what you're doing. It really

00:46:20.320 matters. Uh, as I said, uh, to the doc last few moments ago, Dr. Chris. So Joe Biden, he's talking

00:46:28.960 to this nurse and he says, are you a freshman at the university? You look like a freshman.

00:46:32.520 Number of commentators, uh, actually, especially conservatives are calling this exchange sexist.

00:46:40.380 I think that's pushing it. You know, I think what happened here is that Joe Biden, uh, told a woman

00:46:47.500 that she looks young and she giggled and said, thank you. He paid her a compliment. Wasn't licentious.

00:46:56.600 I don't think Joe was trying to pick the woman up. I think he's an old guy and he, and he told

00:47:02.440 a woman that she looks young, which is a nice thing to do. It's nice when men compliment women.

00:47:08.900 It's a good thing. It's kind of nice when women compliment men too. The compliment,

00:47:13.180 complimentarity of the sexes is actually a really nice thing. It's been at the center of

00:47:16.900 civilization for a very long time. If Joe Biden had been sort of licentious or something like that

00:47:22.120 about it, then maybe you could make a case, but he wasn't. He was just saying, to say that this is

00:47:27.800 sexist. I guess in a very basic way, it's, it's sexist because it's saying men and women are

00:47:32.920 different. Men and women, men can compliment women. Women compliment men. Men talk to women

00:47:40.000 a little bit differently than women talk to men. Maybe men use sort of vulgar, crass language with

00:47:44.800 other men at the bar, but they don't use that kind of language with women. Yeah. Men and women are

00:47:48.220 different. Isn't that how we started the show? Men and women are different. Isn't that a central

00:47:52.780 cultural issue of our time? What the left is saying going, actually going back to the

00:47:58.580 feminists, even now we're talking about gender ideology, but going back to feminism too. 1.00

00:48:04.060 The premise there is that there is no significant difference between men and women. Yeah. Maybe a 0.99

00:48:09.260 couple of appendages look a little different, but you know, basically there's no significant difference.

00:48:15.260 That's the leftist view. The conservative view is men and women are different. Men are from Mars.

00:48:20.340 Women are from Venus. And you know, the difference between men and women is that it's actually a 0.99

00:48:24.060 beautiful thing. It's really nice. Something we ought to respect, something we ought to take

00:48:28.220 delight in. It's one of the joys of life. But Joe Biden here, unwittingly, just because he's an old

00:48:34.200 guy and he was paying a compliment, was, was demonstrating that. I don't want to attack him

00:48:37.700 for it. I think it's a sort of a nice thing. He's also just a sort of back slapper politician,

00:48:42.280 right? That's what he does. What, what Joe Biden does is, hey, you're looking great. I love that baby.

00:48:46.780 Hey, vote for me. I'm old Joe from Scranton. Another ridiculous thing that people are upset

00:48:52.420 about. And from another politician who is sort of a nice guy and has an every man appeal is Ron

00:48:57.800 DeSantis. Ron DeSantis was watching the Superbowl and he was not wearing a mask. And so Ron DeSantis,

00:49:05.900 there's some chatter about this. He goes up to a reporter afterward and he says, you're going to ask

00:49:09.260 me why I wasn't wearing a mask. The reporter says, yes. He says, I wasn't wearing a mask because how

00:49:13.280 the hell am I going to be able to drink a beer with a mask on? Got to drink a beer while I'm

00:49:17.300 watching my team win. So sorry, that's the way it goes. Similar kind of back slappy vibe. I really

00:49:27.840 liked that answer. Very practical, very prudent. Of course, that's the case. Ron DeSantis is clearly

00:49:33.720 eyeing the White House for 2024. I'm getting strong Christie 2012 vibes from him. I'm not, you know,

00:49:40.940 people's, if you compare a guy to Chris Christie, people now feel offended. But Christie in 2012

00:49:45.020 was actually a very strong candidate. And this idea was a state politician. He was good. He was

00:49:50.020 tough. He was practical. He said it like it is, you know, he's not going to talk in political

00:49:53.660 gobbledygook. Ron DeSantis would seem to be running in that lane right now. Very practical kind of stuff.

00:50:00.640 You see, uh, the pie in the sky kind of abstract, uh, politics that we've seen on the right for a long

00:50:07.620 time. That has, uh, gone away, I think. I don't think that's the future of the Republican party.

00:50:12.300 I think the future of the Republican party is going to be calling out basic truths running

00:50:15.960 against political correctness in the same way that Trump did, in the same way that Christie

00:50:18.980 did, same way that Ron DeSantis seems to be doing. So it's going to be talking directly to the,

00:50:24.240 the practical concerns of people in the way that Romney, I think, is actually trying to do.

00:50:28.080 That's going to be the future. You couldn't, you couldn't name more different politicians than all of

00:50:32.300 those guys, but they're all seeing that's kind of the way forward. There's something very,

00:50:35.840 very conservative about that. Saying basic truths, talking to the needs of people and being prudent.

00:50:42.640 Now, is that, is that going to sell for us winning forward? I'll have to get prudent about how

00:50:46.840 elections are conducted and have integrity too, but that could be a vision for a political future.

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The Michael Knowles Show - February 09, 2021

Ep. 696 - National Games

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