The Michael Knowles Show - Ep. 718 - The Morality Problem

00:00:00.000 As record numbers of foreign nationals pour across our southern border, many of them 1.00

00:00:06.160 unaccompanied minors and as difficulties abound amid this pandemic, problem on problem on problem,

00:00:15.520 White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki deflects any questions. She wants to talk about the past

00:00:20.820 administration and specifically the morality problem that they had at the border.

00:00:26.140 Thank you, Jen. You can tell migrants from right there for a month now, all the way back to February 0.99

00:00:31.380 10th, that now is not the time to come, but they are coming in bigger numbers every day. So do you

00:00:37.380 have a messaging problem? Well, I would say that in the last administration, we had a morality problem

00:00:43.880 and children were being pulled from the arms of their parents and kids were being sent back on a

00:00:50.680 treacherous journey. And that's not the approach of this administration. So certainly we understand

00:00:55.840 that means there will be more kids who are crossing the border. We made a policy decision that that was

00:01:01.260 the right humane step to take. But I think it's also important for people to understand that the

00:01:06.900 vast majority of people who come to our border are turned away, are sent back to their countries.

00:01:13.220 What we're talking about here are unaccompanied children. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. So the 1.00

00:01:17.740 problem is the last administration would send a lot of people back. And this is very different,

00:01:22.160 even though the Biden administration is going to send people back. And the last administration

00:01:26.020 ripped children away from their parents. And this administration is ripping children away from

00:01:31.680 their parents. And the reason for this is they need to vet everybody. So they've already admitted

00:01:35.880 to that part. And the past administration with the morality problem, they were putting kids in cages 0.89

00:01:41.060 and the Biden administration. Okay. Sure. It's, it's putting kids in cages, but you know,

00:01:45.720 they, but they're being really, really nice about it. I'm Michael Knowles. This is the Michael

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00:03:35.700 The Biden administration, by any measure, by the standards of the right and the standards of the

00:03:42.660 left, the immigration policies here are worse than the Trump administration's immigration policies.

00:03:48.880 The immigrant, the effect on immigration worse than under the Trump administration. And Jen Psaki

00:03:54.260 has to say, no, well, but it's different. It's different. This is, I don't know if you've seen that

00:03:59.940 meme on the internet of Spider-Man pointing at Spider-Man and accusing one of, that is what's

00:04:05.640 happening here. She's, she, she is trying to deflect from this obvious point that the immigration

00:04:12.160 problem, every problem associated with it has gotten much, much worse under Joe Biden.

00:04:16.900 And the way she deflects on this is she says, well, we have better morals, better morals. Well,

00:04:24.280 what is her example of having better morals? She tries to dance around these issues, 1.00

00:04:27.580 but what we have seen from other Biden advisors, and even from Jen Psaki in the last few days

00:04:32.460 is in practice, the Biden administration is doing exactly the same stuff that the Trump administration

00:04:38.820 did. They're just, they're doing it worse. They're doing it less effectively, but they're,

00:04:43.860 they're doing the same policies. So the morality can't be, it can't have to do with their actions.

00:04:49.480 It just has to do with their speech, just has to do with the way that they're talking about it.

00:04:55.440 They're talking about how we need to be generous to the unaccompanied minors. And we're,

00:05:00.300 we have a heart and we're being compassionate, but in terms of what they're actually doing,

00:05:04.460 there's no difference. This is something actually that I talk about in my upcoming book,

00:05:09.900 Speechless, Controlling Words, Controlling Minds, that one of the, the, the campaign of political

00:05:15.500 correctness seeks to replace the old moral order with new speech codes, replaces moral codes for speech

00:05:22.900 codes. And so the emphasis goes away from what you do to what you say. That's why they're always

00:05:27.160 policing every little syllable that we say, taking focus off of what we actually do. Now,

00:05:33.720 some Biden advisors are a little more honest than Jen Psaki. National Security Council official

00:05:40.180 Roberta Jackson is asked at the White House, is this a crisis at the border? And she doesn't want

00:05:47.840 to answer that question. She doesn't want to use the word crisis, but she does admit that the crisis

00:05:52.680 is Joe Biden's fault. First of all, one of the things I think is important is we've seen surges

00:05:58.340 before. Surges tend to respond to hope. And there was a significant hope for a more humane policy

00:06:08.380 after four years of, you know, pent up demand. So I don't know whether I would call that a coincidence,

00:06:15.640 but I certainly think that the idea that a more humane policy would be in place may have driven

00:06:23.320 people to make that decision. But perhaps more importantly, it definitely drove smugglers to

00:06:29.660 express disinformation, to spread disinformation about what was now possible.

00:06:36.620 So this is a, you got to give credit to her. She's, she realizes she's trying to dance around

00:06:43.700 it at the end, but you have to give credit to her for the honesty. They're saying, is this Biden's

00:06:47.840 fault? She says, well, look under Trump, they knew that the federal government, the illegal aliens knew

00:06:52.840 that the federal government was going to do everything in its power to turn them away, to make it more 0.99

00:06:58.520 difficult for them to violate our country's laws and enter this country illegally. So what happens? 0.97

00:07:05.040 You disincentivize the illegal border crossings, you get fewer border crossings. Under Biden,

00:07:13.420 people respond to hope in her words. So Biden comes in and he says, yeah, man, I'm giving amnesty to

00:07:19.020 11 million people, 20 million people. You bet. Come on in. We're a generous country. We're going to

00:07:24.440 stop building the border wall. We're going to stop enforcing much of our immigration policy. I'm going

00:07:29.800 to nominate people to these positions who are pretty weak on immigration. And guess what

00:07:34.840 happens when you create that incentive? More people are coming over. Surges happen. Every

00:07:41.940 administration has these kinds of surges, but Joe Biden specifically has created incentives to

00:07:47.900 encourage more people to come on over here. It's a great admission. Now she then tries to qualify that

00:07:54.760 and she says, but also the, the smugglers, they've now had an opportunity to spread disinformation,

00:08:02.100 right? So trying to take the onus off of Biden and put it more on these smugglers and coyotes and those

00:08:06.560 sorts of people. But even in the way she explains it, she's showing that the opportunity that the

00:08:11.160 smugglers had to spread the disinformation about the new immigration policies, which is frankly,

00:08:15.320 I think just information. I don't think it's disinformation. I do think Biden wants to give

00:08:18.280 a mass amnesty, but even the opportunity to spread that kind of news is coming from the Biden

00:08:24.720 administration. So you have it on the record. Watch that video because it's probably going to

00:08:29.900 disappear at some point in the near future when the Biden administration wises up and realizes

00:08:34.640 that this, this woman has admitted guilt on their behalf. Joe Biden himself doesn't want to answer

00:08:40.240 very many questions at all. He's now gone, I think 50 days, something like 50 days without a press

00:08:45.600 conference. This is the longest stretch for a newly inaugurated president in modern history.

00:08:50.720 He's blowing his competition out of the water. And he was asked about this at just a quick little

00:08:55.880 COVID. He was giving a statement on COVID. He was not holding a press conference. He was asked about

00:09:00.460 the press conference, pretends not to hear the question.

00:09:03.620 Mr. President, what do you do with the surplus?

00:09:08.040 Mr. President, what do you do with the surplus?

00:09:11.600 The surplus will...

00:09:13.620 You don't need to hear the answer. It's just kind of silly. But he hears these two questions being 0.91

00:09:19.680 shouted out. He's kind of wandering away. Where am I supposed to go? He does this a lot after he

00:09:23.840 speaks. And he goes, hey, Mr. President, what about the surplus? And he's like still kind of

00:09:27.300 wandering and he's still listening. Then you're, Mr. President, when are you going to hold a press

00:09:31.160 conference? He stops. He's like, ah, shoot. That's pretty loud. Well, you see the surplus,

00:09:38.760 and he just ignores the question and pretends that he did not hear it because he doesn't have any good

00:09:43.480 answers. One, I don't, I don't think he's capable any longer of answering these difficult

00:09:51.320 questions under fire. A younger Joe Biden was a little better at this because he's such a BS

00:09:55.460 artist. But older Joe Biden, I mean, you see the guy sort of puttering around the Oval Office or

00:10:01.180 around these podiums. It's a very sad thing to watch. So I don't think he's up for it. But also,

00:10:07.900 even if he were, even if this guy were a used car salesman in his prime, he would not be able to

00:10:13.660 give serious answers to these questions and to the problems that he has created.

00:10:18.400 So Joe Biden, not representing conservatives, not representing the majority of Americans who

00:10:25.540 don't like what's going on at the southern border. Joe Biden also not representing very many people

00:10:30.620 in his own party. There was a great clip going around of some young lib, some young Democrat guy

00:10:36.340 who was on CNN and was being asked about the Biden administration and what he thinks of things.

00:10:43.180 And all that kid wants to know is where is his stimulus money at? Young Democrats like Ben

00:10:49.680 see a lot of promises unkept. They're putting that stimulus check on the back burner. They're

00:10:55.160 putting the minimum wage hike on the back burner and they're dropping bombs in Syria right now.

00:11:00.440 And those bombs are kind of expensive for a dude who owes me $2,000.

00:11:03.100 That's a pretty good line. The impulse behind it is fairly perverse, but the line is pretty good.

00:11:12.080 And it gets to a criticism of Biden that many of us on the right have made, which is that the old

00:11:20.820 left-right divide is kind of breaking down a little bit. This is why you hear the term woke on the left

00:11:26.220 and red-pilled on the right. Both of these terms represent a sort of waking up out of a dreamlike

00:11:32.660 state. And in this third political entity, you have what's called the Uniparty. You know, some people

00:11:38.700 refer to it as kind of the Bush people and the Biden people, and they're all kind of pursuing the

00:11:43.220 same foreign policy. And the joke of it is that, you know, George Bush is terrible. He's a conservative. 0.58

00:11:49.720 He's a Nazi, frankly. And then when Obama and Biden pursue his exact same foreign policy, 0.74

00:11:57.520 they will say, well, you know, sure, but a woman released the bombs. Yes, but a gay Muslim 0.99

00:12:04.720 transgender person was piloting the drone. You know, we had rainbow flags and BLM stickers on all of the 0.96

00:12:13.540 bombs that were being dropped on the Middle East. So you see, it's very, very different. It's the same

00:12:17.660 sort of excuse that Jen Psaki's giving, saying, no, yeah, we're doing the same thing that Trump did,

00:12:22.220 but we have good morals. You see, you're doing the same thing. What are you talking about?

00:12:26.980 It's all just sort of lipstick on the pig of this consensus between the established right and the

00:12:33.840 established left, that people on the left and right, the more populist elements are saying, wait,

00:12:40.200 we don't want that anymore at all. We still disagree with the left. We still disagree with the right.

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00:14:08.180 Michael. Thank you, Acre Gold, for supporting the show. The old left-right divide is breaking down a

00:14:16.560 little bit. The left-right divide is not some permanent, eternal sort of way to understand

00:14:24.860 politics. The left-right divide only comes about during the French Revolution and it refers to people

00:14:30.520 who were sitting on the left and they were the radicals and the revolutionaries and people who

00:14:34.240 were sitting on the right. They were the more conservative elements. They wanted to preserve

00:14:37.280 the monarchy. They wanted to preserve hierarchy and social order. So the way, the way that we use

00:14:41.760 left and right, it can kind of change and circumstances change and the parties change too. And there's some

00:14:48.060 issues that bring this up. So there was recently a poll out from a left-leaning poll source

00:14:53.840 that shows that most people reject gender ideology specifically with regard to girls' sports. Most

00:15:05.980 people do not think that men should be able to compete in girls' track meets and win their prizes

00:15:13.940 and win their scholarships. How is this the issue that unifies people? Because if you think of all the

00:15:20.700 big issues facing the country, most people, if you were just thinking about it for two seconds,

00:15:25.840 you'd say, oh, girls' sports. I don't know. That's way, way down on the list. That barely matters at all.

00:15:30.940 Except it represents so much of the rot that is at the heart of our entire politics.

00:15:38.680 The reason that the transgender issue has been able to kind of crack up some of the left-wing 0.98

00:15:45.480 consensus and has aroused the passions of conservatives is not because we particularly

00:15:53.160 care about women's sports. I don't know that I've ever watched women's sports. Maybe the Olympics 1.00

00:15:57.220 are on, I'll say something, but very rarely. It's because it's so unjust and it's so obviously unjust

00:16:04.400 and it is so out of whack with reality. When you see some big hulking dude running circles around the

00:16:12.480 little girls running on the track court, you just know, oh, this isn't right. Well, you, and then 0.99

00:16:19.720 some egghead, you know, liberal will say, well, no, but actually the way that the hormones in the body

00:16:24.120 and the way that this, and the science shows, and you just say like, no, sorry, you can give me 0.99

00:16:29.800 whatever egghead, ridiculous cockamamie explanation you want. I just know that's not right 0.96

00:16:37.560 because you have all these very advanced social theories that you are combining with your social

00:16:44.620 scientific theories to give me some explanation of why Husky Hank over there should be allowed to

00:16:50.040 compete against all those little girls. But I have two eyes and I just know it's wrong.

00:16:56.020 And I noticed that the guys keep winning all the games. So it would seem that my two eyes are more

00:17:01.620 reliable than your ridiculous theories. Among this, the people surveyed, 59% support a ban of, 0.95

00:17:09.180 and the wording here is key, a ban of biological males from competing against biological girls in

00:17:16.240 female athletics. 46% of women support a ban, so it's lower, but 34% oppose a ban. So far greater

00:17:23.160 percentage support the ban. Among Republicans, it's about three to one. Democrats, 40% support a ban,

00:17:29.480 42% oppose a ban. So Democrats, identified Democrats are the only people who slightly more

00:17:35.200 oppose the ban. Independence, though, it's overwhelming. 49% support the ban, 33% oppose.

00:17:40.820 Gen Z is about evenly split on this because they've been steeped in gender theory and because they're 0.58

00:17:46.440 young and don't know what they're talking about yet. Millennials, some millennials who are often

00:17:50.880 considered more liberal, more to the left in many ways than Gen Z, overwhelmingly support the ban.

00:17:56.500 Baby boomers, roughly around the same percentage. Actually, they're a little less likely to support

00:18:02.800 the ban than millennials. So these numbers, you know, changing by generation, but that might change

00:18:08.320 as people get older too. I also want to focus in here on the wording of this, of this, the coverage

00:18:14.700 here. So the coverage is, is referring to biological males and biological girls. I understand why people

00:18:21.340 do that. I know a lot of conservatives who do that too, but I think it's a bad idea. I think it is

00:18:26.440 mistaken. I think it is giving in to political correctness. There is no such thing as a biological

00:18:35.680 male as distinct from a spiritual male or a psychological male. There were just males. There's

00:18:42.680 just dudes. Okay. And the reason people use this term biological male is they want to be very,

00:18:49.100 very precise and they want to make these arguments from biology. And they want to say that actually

00:18:52.960 it's the physicality of the person and the physicality is somehow different than the soul

00:18:57.420 or the spirit. And that is the transgender argument. When you say the phrase biological male,

00:19:04.200 you are making the transgender argument. The transgender argument is that there is a difference

00:19:09.260 between one's biology and one's other identity. And the transgender people say that this other 1.00

00:19:17.300 identity, this metaphysical identity, that's my true identity. And my body has nothing to do with

00:19:21.960 it. But when the right comes out and says biological males or biological girls, they're just making the

00:19:27.480 flip side of that argument. They're saying, yeah, there's a difference between your biological

00:19:30.300 identity and your other kind of identity or spiritual identity, whatever you want to call it.

00:19:34.000 But your true identity is your biological identity. But the actual conservative argument is that we are

00:19:38.760 not split between our soul and our body. They're not completely separate entities. We are one

00:19:44.480 entity. The, the technical term for this is hylomorphic beings, right? The body and the soul

00:19:52.500 are fused where they're, they're inseparable on earth. And so it's, you, when you, when you divide

00:19:59.060 it up, even if you're dividing it up to argue with the left on the transgender question, you're

00:20:02.580 actually giving them their argument. This is, hate to plug my book two times in a show, but this

00:20:07.080 actually is kind of the argument here. This is what we do all the time on the right is even when we

00:20:13.280 think we're fighting against the left. When we think we're fighting against political correctness

00:20:17.020 and wokeism and cancel culture, we're just giving in. We're just giving in in a sort of different

00:20:20.600 way that we're not even conscious of. We really ought to stop doing that because I do think we're

00:20:24.880 in a moment of real political chaos and chaos breeds opportunity. There are things that are shifting

00:20:31.200 here. If you've got the majority of people see with their own two eyes, oh my gosh, wow, look how crazy

00:20:36.140 this is. These, this left-wing ideology on gender is so nuts. What else is nuts about their ideas? 0.97

00:20:42.680 This is a good opportunity to grab it, but we're not going to win that by acquiescing and giving in

00:20:47.580 on an issue that is overwhelmingly in our favor because it's so clear. What this comes from is,

00:20:55.820 you know, this minor, relatively trivial issue of the girls' sports comes from this broader issue,

00:21:03.100 which is that we no longer want to admit that some things are normal and some things are abnormal.

00:21:10.000 There are norms. There are standards. We, even on the right, we don't want to admit that. We want to

00:21:14.180 say, well, you do you, you do whatever you want. You pursue your own appetites and desires. You

00:21:17.740 be free as though that's really what freedom is. It's not, it's not even close to freedom. It's not

00:21:22.500 what the founders thought freedom was. It's not what any sophisticated people have thought freedom is

00:21:26.540 in our history, but it comes down to norms. It comes down to standards. Are you allowed to say,

00:21:31.060 this is normal, this is not? We're not. And I'll give you a clear example of it. Dove,

00:21:35.800 the soap, the company that makes Dove soap is now removing the term normal from its packaging

00:21:42.560 because referring to shampoo, you know, do you have normal hair? Do you have some particular

00:21:48.280 hair condition? Because normal is not inclusive enough. And they go further. They say, we know

00:21:54.180 that removing normal alone will not fix the problem, but we believe it is an important step toward a more

00:22:00.060 inclusive definition of beauty, says, uh, Sunny Jane, the president of Unilever's beauty and personal

00:22:05.780 care division, which includes Dove. It's not inclusive. If I, if I say it's normal to have

00:22:12.380 all of my appendages, right? It's a normal, that's, that's the norm. That's how it's supposed to be.

00:22:17.380 Now, some people are born with deformities or they, uh, suffer amputations or they have

00:22:23.320 disabilities. And so there's something abnormal about their physique. This is not a reason to,

00:22:30.940 uh, be rude to somebody. This is not a reason to ostracize somebody from society. Uh, but likewise,

00:22:37.900 it is simply insane. It's, it's simply not true to say that it is normal. If you got, uh, 10 fingers

00:22:47.600 and 10 toes, that is the norm. That's the normal thing. That's how the body is supposed to be.

00:22:52.440 A lot of people have nine fingers or 11 fingers, right? Now as a proportion of society, not a lot

00:22:57.900 of people have that, but a lot of people in the world have that. And that is a deviation from the

00:23:02.880 norm. The way that we can have medical science is we know that there is something that is normal.

00:23:07.540 We know there's some way the body is supposed to behave. And then when things go awry, that's how you

00:23:12.440 know, okay, there's a problem here. Maybe we can treat it. Maybe we don't have to treat it.

00:23:15.420 Maybe it's benign, but it's right. If you don't admit that there's a standard,

00:23:20.360 you can't have any of that. You can't really have medical science. You can't have any kind

00:23:25.960 of scientific discussion. You can't really communicate at all because you're not referring

00:23:29.840 to some objective reality. That is in part why the, the transgender issue is so 0.99

00:23:36.540 at the top of our minds, even though it, as a psychological matter, it affects a very few,

00:23:41.660 you know, a small number of people. It is spreading as a social contagion, but the people

00:23:46.440 who are really born with this condition or who develop it in a way that really messes

00:23:50.420 up their life, very small number of people. But the principle here is what the left is

00:23:54.960 after. And it's why the left is so focused on this because the entire process of political

00:23:59.900 correctness, wokeism, cancel culture, whatever you want to call it, is about upending the old

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00:25:32.280 to 64,000. Where is this attack on norms coming from? Because that's what this is about. The gender 1.00

00:25:40.800 ideology, the law and order of our country. It is, it is an attack on norms. We were promised with Joe

00:25:48.300 Biden. We elect him. We're going to get the new normal. We're going to, a return to normalcy. Well,

00:25:52.580 yeah, we're getting the new normal is what we're getting. It's not normal at all. It's coming from

00:25:57.320 an attack on the metaphysical foundations of our civilization. There was a guy in a turtleneck

00:26:03.540 who went viral on TikTok the other day because he was claiming that Jesus, Lord and Redeemer,

00:26:12.660 second person of the blessed Trinity, is a racist. Take a listen.

00:26:18.360 Did you know that there's a part of the gospel of Mark where Jesus uses a racial slur? In Mark

00:26:24.860 chapter 7, there's the account of the Seraphonician woman, a woman who is Syrian and Greek, both of

00:26:29.940 which there were strong biases against within the Jewish community. And she comes to ask Jesus to

00:26:35.060 heal her daughter who's possessed by a demon. And what is Jesus's response? He says, it's not good for

00:26:40.840 me to give the children's food, meaning the children of Israel's food, to dogs. He calls her a dog.

00:26:46.960 What's amazing about this account is that the woman doesn't back down. She speaks truth to power. She 0.75

00:26:52.260 confronts Jesus and says, well, you can think that about me, but even dogs deserve the crumbs from the

00:26:57.600 table. Her boldness and bravery to speak truth to power actually changes Jesus' mind. Jesus repents

00:27:03.740 of his racism and extends healing to this woman's daughter. I love this story because it's a reminder

00:27:08.660 that Jesus is human. He had prejudices and bias, and when confronted with it, he was willing to do his

00:27:14.420 work. And this woman was willing to stand up and speak truth. Is that what happened? You know, I've read

00:27:22.820 the same gospel account. That's not exactly what happened as far as I can tell. What happens, of course,

00:27:30.500 is something like what he described happens. And then Christ says it's not fit to give this to dogs.

00:27:39.720 And she begs and she pleads. And she says in the gospel, according to St. Matthew,

00:27:45.880 yes, Lord, yet even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their master's table. Then Jesus answered

00:27:51.220 her, oh, woman, great is your faith. Be it done for you as you desire. And her daughter was healed

00:27:56.640 instantly. She did not change Jesus' mind. Had this young man gone on to read the gospel,

00:28:05.120 according to St. John, he would have known this because John begins very first lines by proclaiming

00:28:13.700 that Christ is the divine logic of the universe. Logic itself, the word of God. So you can't change

00:28:23.940 Christ's mind because he is logic. He is the reason, the fundamental reason that undergirds reality.

00:28:31.920 Uh, now he does show to this woman and to others, uh, her faith and, uh, he does, uh, show our

00:28:45.040 brokenness and his grace. He does all of that. This wonderful, this cause to be rejoicing. It's

00:28:51.320 cause to say, yes. Oh my gosh, I can't believe it. I miserable sinner me. I will say with such

00:28:58.040 gratitude that I have been redeemed through really no, uh, help of my own other than, uh, responding

00:29:04.380 to God's grace with an act of faith. God comes to me like Christ was near this woman and she responds

00:29:11.080 to that in an act of faith. And he says, oh, great, great is your faith. Be it done as you desire.

00:29:15.020 Or you can say God is a racist. Those are the two options. The, the one option will save your soul

00:29:23.380 and our entire civilization and built our entire civilization. The other option does really well

00:29:29.660 on TikTok. And, uh, our culture seems to be choosing the latter. There are two particular

00:29:37.160 heresies here that this guy is espousing. And the reason I, I mention it is because it, it pervades

00:29:42.920 our political culture. The heresies are Arianism, which denies the divinity of Christ. Uh, there's a 1.00

00:29:49.040 very famous account from the council of Nicaea where St. Nicholas, Santa Claus punches the arch

00:29:53.760 heretic Arius in the face because he doesn't want to take it no more. And, uh, and the other,

00:29:58.940 the other heresies Pelagianism, the idea that this woman earned her salvation, uh, that you can earn

00:30:04.120 your, your salvation through works, which sometimes, uh, certain Protestant denominations accuse the

00:30:08.860 Catholic church of doing. Uh, but that's just not true. The Catholic church condemned the,

00:30:12.880 the heresy of Pelagius many, many moons ago. These are heresies that have infected our modern 0.95

00:30:18.340 culture. We deny divinity. We deny the divinity of Christ undergirding our civilization. And also

00:30:26.060 we're really impressed with ourselves. And we think that we can, uh, save ourselves. Uh, this is

00:30:32.400 the motivating principle behind communism, behind so many of our modern ideologies. And it's, it, uh,

00:30:39.180 also speaks to our pride that we, uh, have now used to be considered the queen of all vices. Now it's

00:30:44.860 elevated as such a high virtue that we have parades dedicated to pride.

00:30:50.820 Speaking of actual issues with women, I have to touch on Andrew Cuomo here. Cuomo is being accused

00:30:56.200 of aggressively groping a woman. So, you know, this has been trickling out again and again.

00:31:01.880 First, a woman said, ah, he kind of looked at me wrong. Then, uh, then it was said,

00:31:06.260 there was some video that Cuomo gave a hot dog to a reporter and the reporter said, no, it's totally fine.

00:31:11.380 It wasn't lecherous at all. And they said, no, it's sexual harassment. Then he kissed somebody

00:31:15.720 maybe. Then he looked at someone the wrong way again. Now he's being accused of aggressively

00:31:21.800 groping some woman. Why are these trickling out so steadily, so gradually as they are? Because I

00:31:28.580 don't really take this scandal all that seriously. It seems pretty contrived to me. The real scandal,

00:31:35.880 as we have been pointing out on this show from the minute these, these, uh, accusations started

00:31:41.160 to break. The real scandal is COVID. Democrats don't want to talk about it. They want to push

00:31:46.340 this guy to the side, uh, for a reason that they won't really have to answer for, right? This sort

00:31:51.280 of sexism or something like that. Uh, that is maybe going to work. You know, Cuomo's on the ropes,

00:31:59.380 though. I have said, don't count this guy out from the very beginning when everyone said he's

00:32:02.520 completely dead. Do not count this guy out. This guy is a fighter. He's a survivor. He's been a

00:32:07.500 political animal his whole life. I think he's really bad for the state of New York. And I say

00:32:12.500 this as having been one of his constituents. I was his waiter one time. I, I guess I actually have

00:32:17.640 a couple of funny Andrew Cuomo stories. Uh, I don't think he's good for New York, but I do,

00:32:22.560 I do have a grudging respect for him. And I don't know that you can count him out yet. And that's why

00:32:26.960 he's going to force the issue on impeachment. He's not, not going to resign because the,

00:32:32.120 there's this morality play. It goes right back to what we were talking about with Jen Psaki.

00:32:36.060 They're trying to take the moral high ground by talking about some contrived sex thing.

00:32:41.980 Where's the morality on the nursing homes? Where's the morality on the actual COVID response? Where's

00:32:46.540 the morality more broadly? The democratic governors were the worst on COVID. Republican governors did

00:32:52.020 the best on COVID. Look at Cuomo, look at DeSantis. Where is the real morality? Or is it all just

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00:34:07.780 you heard us announce on election night. Now the wait is over. Candace Owens is premiering her new

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00:34:46.140 days ago to talk about her new show, everything that's in the news. Take a listen.

00:34:51.560 I am joined now by my friend, Candace Owens. Candace, I can't help but notice you are a woman. 0.80

00:35:11.260 You're black. Woman of color. I'm sorry, woman of color. You are famous. You are American. You 0.91

00:35:20.320 married a Brit. And yet, you turned out great. What was your secret and where did Meghan Markle go

00:35:27.220 wrong? Meghan Markle went wrong a lot of ways. First and foremost, she is a Hollywood leftist. That's 1.00

00:35:33.840 all you need to know. You know what I mean? And this story, this whole, everyone was like,

00:35:39.540 why did you get into this? Why does this really get under your skin? Because I married an Englishman.

00:35:44.680 My husband's father was in the House of Lords. That's like being a mechanic or something. I don't

00:35:50.240 know. Is that like an electrician shop somewhere in the UK? Yeah, exactly. And so it was definitely

00:35:56.200 a learning curve for me, even when I met my husband, going to England. And there's just like

00:36:00.940 different sets of rules. Their society is very traditional. And I was just, I loved it. I loved

00:36:06.900 stepping into someone's culture and not trying to change it. And this is the thing about the left

00:36:10.780 that drives me crazy, is that they just have no appreciation for tradition. They have no

00:36:14.800 appreciation for history. It's why they think that everything between Los Angeles and New York

00:36:19.640 needs to be, is backwards. Right. Right. And flyover. And yeah, the flyover, right. It needs a makeover. 0.79

00:36:25.540 And for her to just do that, to go to this country with all of their traditions and the queen,

00:36:30.900 of course, being so significant, the meaning of her just to have been sitting on the throne for that

00:36:36.800 long and having decades. With dignity, with grace. Yes. And she has seen the country through so much.

00:36:42.780 And to do what they did, just cheapen that and say, well, it's racism. This is the reason we had

00:36:47.800 to leave. It's racism. Meghan Markle, look black to you. Did anybody look at her and say, oh, 1.00

00:36:52.760 Harry's dating a black woman? My mother, seriously, my Sicilian mother was much darker than Meghan 0.99

00:36:58.400 Markle. You would have no idea. She has that thing in Hollywood, they call it ethnically ambiguous, 0.54

00:37:03.060 where you can play sort of any role. Right. She could have played an Indian woman in films.

00:37:06.720 She could have said that she could have said she was mixed race. I would have bought that. She 1.00

00:37:10.060 could have definitely said she was Italian. She has freckles. You know, you could have just 0.99

00:37:13.680 think that, you know, it's completely obscure. And yet she she's like, you know, I'm less than 25%

00:37:18.740 black. But I've realized that because I'm getting bad press, I can say the bad press is because 0.83

00:37:23.580 I'm less than 25% black, because there is this purity test. Every time they write a hit piece,

00:37:27.680 they say, well, is there any black in this person? Well, that's the reason we're going to we're 1.00

00:37:30.980 going to write a horrible piece about them. And especially being me, because I have a public profile.

00:37:35.520 And as you know, they have written so many bad things about me. Really nice things. Like that

00:37:40.140 time they accused me of a mosque shooting in New Zealand. That's right. I've never been to New

00:37:44.440 Zealand. I don't even write about mosques or Muslims or anything. But they were like, Candace did 1.00

00:37:48.220 this. I woke up worldwide news. I had people in France, like in China. And people were asking me

00:37:53.400 for comments everywhere. And I don't think I have ever once said this bad press is because I'm black.

00:37:58.840 So it's just, it's such a, there's a cowardice. And it's such an excuse. I saw there's a great

00:38:04.280 headline in the Babylon Bee said, Meghan Markle inspires millions of girls by showing that no 0.93

00:38:08.940 matter how rich, beautiful and famous you are, you too can be oppressed. Right. You know, she's 0.99

00:38:13.500 oppressed and she's sitting across from Oprah. You know what I mean? And she's, they've been living

00:38:17.080 in a, actually, I think at some point they were at Tyler Perry's $100 million home somewhere

00:38:22.040 flying on his planes. And you really want me to buy that you were chased out of the country because I

00:38:27.040 guess you were less than 25% black. And then the richest part of the story is them claiming

00:38:31.960 that Archie wasn't given a title because he was black. Has anyone seen a picture of Archie? And I

00:38:37.140 say this seriously, if you believe that Archie suffered anti-black racism, then I'm a Nigerian

00:38:42.500 prince and I just need your credit card details. And you're going to see me from this stranded

00:38:47.280 island. This, you know, I'm so glad to hear this is your take on this because I have to say I was a

00:38:51.220 little frustrated. I understood it, but I was frustrated with the conservative reaction to this,

00:38:55.560 which is who cares about the Royal family? I stopped caring about them in 1776. To me,

00:39:02.400 that argument falls flat because the Royal family represents this long conservative tradition

00:39:10.740 in the United Kingdom. And to me, I think the reason the Meghan Markle story has really got you

00:39:16.820 excited, kind of excited a lot of us is because it's this awful sort of modern millennial idea that

00:39:23.820 everything in the past is bad and wicked and racist is the word for that. And I, no matter

00:39:29.920 what privileges I have, we all are so privileged. I am actually a victim and you all need to feel

00:39:34.920 bad for me. And the minute that I can't do exactly what I want to do, this woman chose to marry into 0.99

00:39:41.580 the Royal family. It's not like it was a blind date. It's not like on the third date, Harry said,

00:39:45.220 oh, you know, darling, I have something I have to tell you. I haven't told you about my job yet.

00:39:49.640 But, you know, she didn't, it's not as though she thought his first name were Prince, you know,

00:39:53.300 like the musician, right? She knows who he is. And she chose to do this.

00:39:58.400 Oh, you know what's up? She said she never Googled him. No, no. When he got down on one knee,

00:40:03.320 that's when she was like, oh my gosh, he's a prince. And she found out it was Princess Diana. And even that

00:40:08.180 is so absurd. Michael, I Google everyone. I'll get into a car with an Uber driver and I'll be like,

00:40:12.360 what's your name? Just checking this background here and make sure things are okay. You're going

00:40:15.840 to tell me you wanted a date and you didn't Google, you didn't LinkedIn profile. This is what we do.

00:40:19.340 And especially her, who, a big piece of story that's missing, she went to the UK with the

00:40:24.340 intention of marrying up. She had a PR person who owned an entire piece. She hired a public relations 0.99

00:40:29.820 firm to try to get, to start dating a football player. So that was her thing. She was like, okay,

00:40:35.340 they found a football player. She was trying to get a date with them. She really overperformed here,

00:40:37.540 yeah. Right, exactly. And she landed on a prince. And, you know, Piers Morgan, who I really can't stand,

00:40:41.300 but he talks about how he reached out to her and she kept saying she wanted to get involved in the

00:40:44.760 circles because it just wasn't working for her in America. It wasn't working for her in Canada. 0.78

00:40:48.280 So she was like, okay, let me try, let me try England. But she had no idea who Prince Harry or

00:40:53.340 Prince William or Kate Middleton. She just missed that whole thing. Right. Of course. Wow. What are

00:40:57.480 the odds? Yeah. What are the odds? See what she described herself as? Because we should talk about

00:41:00.940 that. I didn't watch the interview, but she said she felt like the little mermaid who fell in love with

00:41:06.560 a prince and lost her voice. If only. I know. If only. I mean, just trying to think of a straight

00:41:12.180 face like she did. Let me try. I felt like, you know, the little mermaid who went over and found

00:41:19.100 a prince and fell in love and lost my voice. It's just as believable as you say this on air,

00:41:25.020 of course. My favorite part, as she's saying these sorts of things, occasionally Harry would try to,

00:41:31.400 say, will you notice? Get out of here, Harry. Stop it. Don't listen to it. Listen to camera on

00:41:37.020 me, folks. Oh, she's so unbearable. And again, I'm glad you brought up the fact that a lot of

00:41:41.920 conservatives were so dismissive. I hate that because, you know, we so often talk about how

00:41:46.860 the left is ignorant, right? To not try to understand what it is about the royals that is 0.94

00:41:52.400 so significant. It is not just like, oh, I'll praise them because they're kings and queens and

00:41:57.820 princesses. It really isn't about that. What they represent is history, right? And that is

00:42:03.400 what they love about them is that these people, they never issue political statements. They don't

00:42:06.700 just go where the wind blows. And there is something about Americans, even the conservative

00:42:10.720 Americans, that we have the strand of progressivism because, listen, look, our country was built on

00:42:15.100 that, right? We were built on kind of tearing down traditions. And sometimes, yes, traditions need

00:42:19.400 to be torn down. But where we're at today, where you have no appreciation for anything,

00:42:23.780 and that is why hashtag abolish, you know, which they're so dumb, they're like abolish the monarchy 0.96

00:42:28.600 as if the monarchy has any power anymore. And actually, abolish the royal family is where 0.96

00:42:33.560 we're at because they just want everything torn down, newer, faster, and they want the world

00:42:37.940 to look like whatever Hollywood singers and actresses think that it ought to look like.

00:42:42.360 Well, this was it. It's sort of this woman seemed that she wanted to play a Disney princess 0.99

00:42:48.980 more than she wanted to be an actual princess. And how true is that of so much of our society?

00:42:55.540 You know, Edmund Burke, the great conservative philosopher, his big distinction between the

00:43:00.100 American Revolution and the French Revolution was that the American Revolution was kind of

00:43:04.540 conservative. It didn't destroy everything, right? Whereas the French Revolution really did destroy

00:43:08.640 everything. And so there was always this sense in America that we want to really, we want to be the

00:43:14.180 real thing. You know, there is a kind of tradition here. And we didn't want to become this really

00:43:21.080 shallow, abstracted culture that unfortunately, it seems like we're becoming. And you know,

00:43:27.620 you hear so often from conservatives, we need to take back the culture, we need to fight back in

00:43:32.360 the culture. Well, you know, in order to do that, we're going to need to get really serious. And we're

00:43:37.840 going to have to start saying like, no, don't do that. That is a bad thing. You know,

00:43:42.580 we need to defend an older set of standards. Right. I think too often, we meet people in the

00:43:49.200 middle. And it's such an easy game. But there's, wait, there's actually an expression that you use

00:43:53.320 to talk about when, what is the Overton theory, right? The Overton window. Yeah, exactly. That's

00:43:57.080 exactly what the left is doing. It's brilliant, right? They're just, they say something so extreme,

00:44:00.060 like here we are. And they say something so extreme that they're like, men can give birth.

00:44:05.640 Yeah. I'm like, no, they can't, no, they can't. But eventually we say, okay, please don't say that.

00:44:08.520 We'll meet you halfway. And now we're inching closer to where they are. You know how we do this. We always,

00:44:12.000 we always say, look, men, men, men can't give birth, right? Men are not women. But then we

00:44:15.640 start edging in this way when we'll start saying so-and-so is a biological male. Right. And it's

00:44:20.380 like, no, it's a man. He's just a man. He's just a man. He's not like, he's not like a psychological

00:44:24.420 woman, but it's just, it's just one thing. Right. Because we start to be conciliatory,

00:44:30.300 guess what? You look up 10 years later and you're way far down the line. That's exactly. And that's

00:44:33.780 what's happened. That's literally what's happened, especially in this last decade, is that we just keep

00:44:37.380 meeting them halfway. But the halfway is also, it's always moving towards their ridiculous 0.98

00:44:41.840 far left point. And I think that there needs to be more. People say to me, oh, Candace,

00:44:45.740 you're so far right. I'm like, actually, I'm just right. Right. I'm just right. I'm actually

00:44:49.620 almost in the middle. Yes. Because you guys have gone so crazy.

00:44:52.440 10 years ago, you would have been considered a centrist. A centrist. A normal human being.

00:44:56.980 Like, you know, when we accepted that men and women were men and women, and now you're actually

00:45:02.420 being called a bigot. I mean, yesterday, International Women's Day, the ACLU tweets about saying,

00:45:08.840 you know, trans women are women. On International Women's Day, you said men are women.

00:45:13.340 That's what I said. That's what I said.

00:45:13.820 The patriarchy strikes you back.

00:45:15.100 You know what I mean? Trans woman means man, right? This is a different word for man. So

00:45:19.180 you just tweeted out, in order to celebrate women, let me tell you how much men can be

00:45:23.480 women. 0.81

00:45:23.700 You know, though, you're being modest here. And this is actually something I'm very excited

00:45:26.500 for about your show, Candace, right, which is launching, is that you, right, you're just

00:45:31.980 saying sort of normal things. I don't think anything you're saying is extreme. But most people

00:45:37.140 do not have the cojones to do it. Talking about men and women, most people don't have the guts 0.99

00:45:42.700 to do it. And you, I don't know what it is, because we've been friends for years. I remember

00:45:48.620 you back in the old timey days on YouTube. And you, more than just about anybody, have

00:45:56.580 been able to withstand this onslaught from the left and throw it back in their face and

00:46:02.840 not let them cancel you. And it's really, I don't know how you've done it.

00:46:07.280 I just hope that I show people that there's no consequence, you know, for telling the truth.

00:46:12.000 And you just, just say it, say it again, say it again, say it again. They can only cancel

00:46:15.800 you so many times, right? Once they went to, once I survived, like, being accused of a mosque 0.99

00:46:20.440 shooting in New Zealand, I was like, okay, well, where do we go from here? What else are you

00:46:23.300 going to accuse me of here, right?

00:46:24.640 Right, that's a great point.

00:46:25.220 And so I think that I've just bounced back and I've been unapologetic, which is the most

00:46:29.820 important thing. Don't say sorry. Don't say sorry, because once you start saying sorry

00:46:34.040 to the left, you will never stop saying sorry to the left, right? Because it's not about

00:46:38.100 them being an apology. They need, they want pure capitulation. They want to make sure you

00:46:42.820 capitulate to everything they say. What they're seeking, actually, is their own kind of monarchy,

00:46:46.800 right? Like, they're seeking to rule over you, your opinions, your ideas.

00:46:50.520 And their established church.

00:46:51.460 Exactly. That is their established church. They seek for you to be their peasants. And 0.95

00:46:55.400 the second you say sorry, you become that. So I just say, don't say sorry.

00:46:58.560 Speaking of the church, I mean, this is something I've really struggled with. I think you're

00:47:01.200 completely right. But look, as a Christian, I want to apologize when I feel I've done something

00:47:07.880 wrong. I have no problem doing that. To, oh, miserable sinner that I am, I really don't

00:47:13.220 mind it. Except I know that's not really what it is. That's not, when you apologize to the

00:47:19.260 left, it's not, first of all, they're not seeking that in good faith.

00:47:22.420 It's beating a dog into submission.

00:47:23.980 Yes.

00:47:24.320 You know what I mean?

00:47:24.760 That is what it is. It's sort of, it's unfortunate. Because I'd love to be in a society where I'd

00:47:28.780 say, oh, yeah, maybe I shouldn't have said that. Sorry.

00:47:30.500 Yeah, exactly. And, you know, it's funny, because I did an interview the other day, and

00:47:33.900 they said to me, sort of in preparation for the show, like, is there anything that you look

00:47:38.220 back on in the past that you're sorry for? Like, things that you've tweeted and things

00:47:42.220 of that nature. And I said, no. And I said, because I want to give permission to people

00:47:46.460 that are following me to know that you're allowed to change your mind. Yeah. Remember

00:47:49.980 this thing where I used to grow up? Like, you know, a long time ago, I used to think

00:47:53.120 Barbies were the coolest thing, and then all day, society should be run by us playing Barbies

00:47:56.580 in the room. That was Candace at four years old. Am I allowed to evolve from that position 1.00

00:48:00.440 without apologizing for my past?

00:48:02.240 Well, I love it. You know, people throw this at you a lot. They'll say, you used to be left

00:48:06.080 wing, but now you're conservative. Ha ha, I got you.

00:48:09.060 Yeah. I got a couple of brain cells. I opened a book. You know what I mean? I opened a book,

00:48:13.280 and I'm like, it's just so ridiculous. And what is so alarming about that sort of a culture, 0.98

00:48:18.560 like, forget us. Like, we're adults. We're old. We have kids now, right?

00:48:21.160 Yeah, we're old, man. We're old people now.

00:48:22.880 I'm trying to get fat, too. I'm already old, but I want to be old and fat. 0.53

00:48:25.780 Think about kids. How hard it is to be a kid today when you are being told that if you

00:48:30.720 make a mistake, you're done. You're over. You're canceled. You know, you say one wrong

00:48:35.000 thing. When I was a kid, we didn't have Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, so I could just be a crappy

00:48:38.720 human being for one day and say horrible things, and then the next day be like, oh, you know,

00:48:41.760 that didn't feel too good. I'm going to be someone different today. And I was allowed to

00:48:44.340 grow. That's what growing up is. You learn because you do things wrong. Even toddlers,

00:48:47.900 they're violent toddlers. They're throwing things down. You know what I mean? They are. 0.94

00:48:51.040 Violent human beings, they think through things, and they just, they choose violence every day,

00:48:54.340 toddlers, right? Even my cute little newborn, you know, he'll throw punches at me.

00:48:57.980 Same. Yeah, same thing. And it's like, now the left is like, you are exactly who you are

00:49:02.140 when you are two is when you are four. Candace, when Candace, three years ago in politics,

00:49:06.020 I've pretty much grown up politically, you know, has to, you know, make apologies or make amends.

00:49:10.700 No, if I said it then, I meant it then. But if I transform my opinion, here's why. This is what

00:49:14.980 it looks like to grow up. Right. That's right. That's right. You know, if, if I had social media

00:49:20.900 when I was 11 or 12. Canceled. Could you, yeah. Could you imagine? And the show right now.

00:49:26.580 Is there forever. But I love it because it takes a lot of gumption to be able to say, yeah,

00:49:30.220 oh, I thought this thing a few years ago. Yeah. And now guess what? I've matured. I've educated

00:49:35.080 myself. Maybe that's something we can all do as a culture as well. You know, one great way people can do

00:49:39.500 that. Tuning into Candace on the Daily Wire. I can't wait. It's going to be fabulous. I'm so

00:49:44.680 excited. Yeah. I'll be issuing tons of non-apologies when people are offended. I go the next day. I

00:49:49.260 mean, even seeing that tail in between the legs, copy and pasted apology that so many people do,

00:49:54.480 like, you know, like they say one thing and then it's suddenly like the next day on their show,

00:49:57.460 they're like, you know, you know, I want to apologize for some things that I said that made

00:50:01.240 perfect sense. But I see, I hear you that you're offended. So therefore we're all growing. And it's

00:50:06.420 just like, shut up. Just say, I'm sorry you were offended. Yeah. And maybe don't watch my show. 0.99

00:50:11.640 There have been a few times where there's been a lot of pressure to give the apology. And I think

00:50:15.380 there's an old Sicilian expression. It's just a little flick underneath your chin. That's what

00:50:20.520 I think about it. My dear, I can't wait for the show to start. Everybody's got to tune in and watch

00:50:24.720 it. Candace on the Daily Wire. I will be eagerly watching it just from right across the way.

00:50:30.080 And I'll see you around the office water cooler. Love it. Ta-da. 0.54

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The Michael Knowles Show - March 11, 2021

Ep. 718 - The Morality Problem

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