The Michael Knowles Show - May 07, 2023


Hypno Porn： DANGEROUS New Trend Turns Men Trans ｜ Genevieve Gluck

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Genevieve Gluck
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Genevieve Gluck is a women's rights campaigner and founder of Redux, an unapologetically pro-woman outlet focused on gender identity. In this episode, she sheds light on a phenomenon that, frankly, as I ve said on the show, I don t even want to look into because I have been told and that I ve read on different fora that talk about this phenomenon, that there is a kind of pornography that is apparently a driver of the transgender identity that is so perverse that it constitutes a sort of hypnosis where men will say, "I was a normal guy, I lived to be 41, 42, and I was basically normal but then I fell into this kind of porn and it essentially melted my brain. I had a nervous breakdown. Now I think that I m a woman."

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00:00:00.000 My guest is, in fact, Genevieve Gluck, a women's rights campaigner, founder of Redux.
00:00:04.520 It is an unapologetically pro-woman outlet focused on gender identity.
00:00:11.040 And Genevieve can shed some light on this phenomenon that, frankly, as I've said on the show,
00:00:16.300 I don't even want to look into because I have been told and that I've read on different fora that talk about this phenomenon,
00:00:23.960 that there is a kind of pornography that is apparently a driver of the transgender identity 0.99
00:00:28.700 that is so perverse that it constitutes a kind of hypnosis where men will say,
00:00:36.880 I was a normal guy, I lived to be 41, 42, and I was basically normal,
00:00:40.640 but then I fell into this kind of pornography and it essentially melted my brain.
00:00:44.420 I had a nervous breakdown. Now I think that I'm a woman.
00:00:46.980 So rather than have to expose myself to that and then, you know, I'll have to go to confession,
00:00:51.380 potentially my brain gets melted, I can just talk to Genevieve about it.
00:00:54.420 Genevieve, thank you for coming on the show.
00:00:56.320 Thank you so much for having me on the show.
00:00:57.960 Can you just give, not only the audience, but me, a rundown?
00:01:04.340 What is, among all of the types of pornography that lead to transgenderism, 1.00
00:01:09.860 what is this hypnosis pornography?
00:01:12.320 Well, you touched on a good point there.
00:01:14.060 There are many types of pornography that are sort of involved with the transgender movement, 1.00
00:01:19.180 but hypnosis pornography is a little bit different in that it incorporates your lifestyle.
00:01:25.400 So typically when we think of pornography, we think of it as something that is passive,
00:01:30.000 that you're sort of watching.
00:01:31.740 But this type, it asks you to sort of change your behavior, change the way you dress,
00:01:37.240 even to start taking hormones.
00:01:39.240 And it's sometimes called sissy hypno. 0.90
00:01:42.780 So that's short for sissification, hypnosis, pornography.
00:01:45.720 And, you know, I myself, I have personally been somewhat mocked for the suggestion that this is
00:01:52.960 having a powerful impact on men.
00:01:55.560 However, trans activists themselves will say things like it influenced them.
00:02:01.180 There's a famous academic who wrote a book in 2019.
00:02:04.200 His name is Andrea Long Chu, and the name of his book is Females. 0.83
00:02:08.280 And in that book, he explicitly states that sissy porn and hypnosis made him start identifying 0.89
00:02:15.340 as transgender. 0.94
00:02:16.520 So what this incorporates is, as you might imagine, in the hypnosis style, things like
00:02:21.360 repeated mantras, counting down, and probably some of the worst, most regressive stereotypes
00:02:28.840 about women that you can possibly imagine, the speaker will say to the listener or viewer, 1.00
00:02:35.020 you are a dumb bimbo slut. 1.00
00:02:37.480 You want to be a girl. 1.00
00:02:39.580 You want to be a bimbo. 1.00
00:02:41.140 You know, just all of that sort of terrible, insulting, degrading terminology and language,
00:02:47.520 which is part of the point.
00:02:49.160 It's part of the thrill.
00:02:50.520 It's that it's taboo, that it's degrading, that's humiliating.
00:02:53.360 Um, so I guess the question that I have is, are, is it the chicken or the egg?
00:03:00.240 Are men who already have these sexual confusion issues, are they seeking out this kind of
00:03:05.640 pornography or are they looking at relatively more tame pornography?
00:03:10.120 And then the algorithm and their own addiction takes them progressively into this realm where
00:03:16.800 they know, I can't imagine anybody, I can at least intellectually understand all sorts
00:03:21.780 of weird sex stuff, but I can't imagine anybody intentionally looking up a kind of pornography 1.00
00:03:26.360 that would hypnotize them, degrade them, and make them, you know, chop off their genitals. 1.00
00:03:31.880 That, that is very difficult for me to grasp. 0.99
00:03:33.900 So, so which is it?
00:03:36.340 It's many things.
00:03:38.500 So first of all, I spoke with some of these men who were trying to escape this addiction.
00:03:43.740 You know, it's sort of coupled, the hypnosis pornography is also coupled with the transgender 1.00
00:03:48.160 pornography.
00:03:48.800 You will very rarely find anyone who's just exclusively using one.
00:03:53.120 It's typically both.
00:03:54.760 And in a lot of cases with the men that I've talked to, I did a survey last year with some
00:03:59.420 of these, these men who were trying to quit.
00:04:01.780 And very often they started watching pornography at a very young age.
00:04:05.780 I mean, around 12, 12 or 13.
00:04:08.380 And so the nature of pornography is to escalate.
00:04:11.140 But you need to keep seeking out greater taboos and, and such for, to get the same thrill,
00:04:18.040 essentially.
00:04:18.940 Like, like any drug, you know, you start out, you have a drink or two, right?
00:04:22.500 And then you need 10 drinks or you need, I don't know, heroin or something.
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00:05:33.960 And so in some cases, they had seen it as children, as 12-year-olds, 13-year-olds.
00:05:41.120 Many of them had not sought it out personally for themselves.
00:05:44.540 They had sort of stumbled upon it by accident, which is a trend we just see with pornography
00:05:48.460 in general and children viewing it, is that they often don't seek it out, but it's
00:05:52.280 presented to them through things like social media.
00:05:55.740 But there's also men who were just into pornography and then the escalation continued.
00:06:02.320 Some of them were into cross-dressing, for example, and it just sort of fell into their
00:06:08.720 laps in that way.
00:06:09.780 But there's also the problem of the algorithm.
00:06:12.400 So in cases where this might be on social media, for example, it is on YouTube.
00:06:16.820 There's plenty of these kinds of things on YouTube even that are not age-restricted.
00:06:23.100 And so if you follow the algorithm, it keeps feeding you the same type of content, right?
00:06:29.240 So if you view one, then it starts to recommend it to you over and over again.
00:06:33.240 And this can cause sort of this addiction.
00:06:35.480 And pornography is known to be kind of dissociating in that it dissociates from your body and yourself
00:06:43.140 and can cause actual body dysmorphia.
00:06:47.260 So that's a known side effect of pornography addiction, especially among men, that it can
00:06:52.220 cause genital dysmorphia.
00:06:54.320 So when you combine those things, it starts to look an awful lot like what people call gender
00:07:00.160 dysphoria.
00:07:00.720 So what you're saying, that's a very interesting point. 0.93
00:07:06.080 When you're having sex with somebody, not to be too crass, but I guess that's what we're
00:07:09.880 talking about here, you're with another human being and you're both there in the flesh,
00:07:14.240 in the room, on the bed, hopefully with your wife for the purpose of procreation, but you're 0.85
00:07:20.360 there.
00:07:20.940 It's the real person that you have a real relationship with.
00:07:24.400 With pornography, it's just phantom images flickering on a screen.
00:07:27.620 And so you're saying, it's not even that the pornography gets in your head and tells you
00:07:33.660 that you're the opposite sex. 0.97
00:07:34.880 It's just the very act of looking at pornography is an act that denies the incarnational aspect
00:07:42.800 of our being.
00:07:45.800 Sure.
00:07:46.360 Yeah. 0.99
00:07:46.600 I mean, when you're using pornography, you're having sex with yourself, essentially. 0.57
00:07:49.780 And so there are cases, you know, where men have sort of turned themselves into the pornography 0.72
00:07:56.960 that they are watching.
00:07:58.760 It's a bit, I don't know, it seems to me that with enough consumption of this and addiction
00:08:05.680 to it, then the men themselves will try to turn themselves into the woman that they see 0.88
00:08:10.060 in pornography.
00:08:11.460 Um, so there's, there's also a kind of a pipeline, um, through, you know, starting out to transition
00:08:19.280 and then going on to become or make your own pornography of yourself.
00:08:24.800 Wow.
00:08:25.620 Now you mentioned, this is just so, it's kind of so shocking that I figured that, uh, I couldn't
00:08:33.560 be shocked by anything at all in politics and in these radical ideologies that are being
00:08:38.240 promoted now down to pumping little kids full of hormones and castrating them. 1.00
00:08:41.940 But I guess kind of the point of internet pornography is there's always something more depraved. 0.97
00:08:48.200 And, and so I did read an analysis, I think perhaps in the feminist current about how this 0.94
00:08:53.420 kind of pornography is in a way a meta pornography, because as part of the hypnosis, it, it mocks
00:09:01.900 you and degrades you for engaging in an act that is intrinsically degrading.
00:09:06.540 That is sitting there in a room with yourself looking at pornography, which is kind of an
00:09:12.660 interesting literary critique, uh, and something that I would be interested to read more about,
00:09:17.740 except that it seems so perverse and soul warping.
00:09:20.640 You mentioned before we go that there are other kinds of pornography beyond this hypnosis
00:09:26.600 stuff that, that would appear to lead to the transgender identity.
00:09:31.240 What are those types?
00:09:32.260 Well, within transgender pornography, there are a couple of genres like forced feminization. 0.66
00:09:39.860 So forced feminization is what it sounds like. 0.91
00:09:42.880 It's, it, it incorporates BDSM.
00:09:44.900 And so ostensibly the man is being forced to wear women's clothing and then, you know, the,
00:09:51.320 the kind of ultimate act of being forced to be a woman, uh, following that.
00:09:55.700 But also they might be forced to take estrogen.
00:10:00.580 Um, there's pornography that involves taking hormones.
00:10:03.480 Um, and there's pornography that involves, um, surgery, even, uh, genital surgeries even.
00:10:11.340 So, uh, also there is something called female masking. 0.97
00:10:15.700 This is when, when men wear, uh, female latex body suits and they'll even gather in conventions,
00:10:24.880 uh, together to participate in sexual activities, uh, wearing a female body suit, um, to resemble a woman.
00:10:33.260 Like a, like a, a latex suit on which there is an image of a woman? 0.99
00:10:37.040 Um, uh, latex, silicone usually, anatomically correct, full body suit, if you could imagine.
00:10:47.860 I think I'm transforming into Tucker Carlson by the way my face is just kind of browser furling.
00:10:53.060 Wow, okay.
00:10:53.960 That's called masking?
00:10:55.780 Like you wear a mask?
00:10:56.560 It's called female, female masking. 1.00
00:10:58.640 And I can even point specifically to a man who has written a book about this named Tori Peters.
00:11:03.860 Uh, he wrote a book that was nominated for the, the female, the Women's Prize in fiction, actually, two years ago.
00:11:11.820 And he wrote a book about this, um, called The Masker.
00:11:15.860 Um, his book, Detransition Baby, was nominated for the Women's Prize.
00:11:19.520 He's, obviously, he's a man.
00:11:20.780 I'm referring to him with he, him pronouns, but he identifies as a woman.
00:11:24.800 I know you'd also done some work on a genre of pornography.
00:11:28.800 I assume it's written pornography, uh, given the topic.
00:11:33.860 That appears to be associated with the transgender movement that involves children. 0.94
00:11:40.060 And specifically in castrating and quote unquote transitioning children. 0.99
00:11:45.680 What's that?
00:11:46.940 Okay, so please forgive me.
00:11:48.900 This is a little difficult to talk about.
00:11:50.680 So if I pause or, you know, um, I did an investigation into the World Professional Association for Transgender Health.
00:11:59.220 This is called WPATH, typically shortened to WPATH.
00:12:03.360 Very prominent organization.
00:12:04.720 We've referred to them on the show a number of times.
00:12:07.180 Right.
00:12:07.580 They set the medical protocols for the transitioning of children.
00:12:11.560 And in their most recent Standards of Care document, which is the SOC 8,
00:12:16.420 they incorporated for the first time the concept of a eunuch gender identity.
00:12:21.980 And within that chapter, the eunuch chapter, they specifically cited a website that hosts and produces, um, fictional child pornography that specifically involves castrating and sexually abusing children to hold them in a childlike pre-pubertal state.
00:12:41.760 And in some cases, some of these stories actually involved chemical castration, what we know of as puberty blockers, being specifically mentioned in these stories.
00:12:51.100 And then doctors sexually abusing these children who had their puberty halted.
00:12:56.000 And this story, I, it, it upsets me as you can tell, but I mean, it's tremendously important and significant.
00:13:03.600 I think that, uh, uh, organization like WPATH not only cited this forum, but was working with members of the forum for over a decade.
00:13:13.960 And I have had trouble, I've struggled to try to get this story out into the mainstream media because I think maybe it's so grotesque that people don't actually believe it or they don't want to believe it or I don't know, but, um, it's pretty much out in the open.
00:13:30.160 And the academics who were involved in that forum and partnered with WPATH, uh, have written several academic papers involving these men and basically suggesting that written child pornography is a form of therapy for them.
00:13:48.140 That was going to be my next question is how is this legal?
00:13:51.740 It's a, it's a form of child pornography.
00:13:53.600 Maybe it doesn't involve cameras and, uh, images, but it's pornography.
00:13:59.200 It's obscene content.
00:14:00.860 It's obscene content that involves children.
00:14:03.660 I guess I have so many layers of shock here because on the one hand you think, okay, this should be illegal.
00:14:09.280 Isn't there some government body that should be clamping down on this?
00:14:12.200 Two, WPATH is a very, very prominent transgender organization.
00:14:18.140 The very prominent supposedly mainstream trans organization is working with the people producing this kind of pornography. 1.00
00:14:25.100 That's shocking.
00:14:26.220 And then I guess the most shocking thing is that the kind of stuff being described as a sexual kink in this pornography as you describe it, that is castrating children and pumping them full of puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones, that's, that's now policy at the federal level.
00:14:45.100 So the thing that's viewed as a dark, weird sexual desire in the darkest bowels of the internet, that's national policy.
00:14:54.420 Yeah, it's horrifying.
00:14:55.840 And within that forum, there's about 10,000 written stories.
00:14:59.560 So this forum has operated since at least 1998, but actually prior to that, it was operating on Usenet and, and sharing snuff pornography through that route as well.
00:15:11.880 And on that forum of the 10,000 stories, about approximately 4,000 of them are specifically tagged with the term minor.
00:15:20.480 So nearly half of them involve children in particular.
00:15:25.300 So my question is, why isn't anything being done about this?
00:15:30.400 And you did mention the legality of this, right?
00:15:32.520 Because it is written, because of their stories, this is actually perfectly legal.
00:15:37.280 And that is something that was done during the Ashcroft versus Free Speech Coalition decision.
00:15:42.660 I think it was in 2000 or about then.
00:15:45.300 And it was decided then that content of this nature was perfectly legal.
00:15:50.100 Right.
00:15:51.200 Important to note, though, John Ashcroft was the attorney general relatively recently in American history, right?
00:15:57.700 You're talking about post-2000.
00:15:59.320 For most of American history, nothing even coming close to this content would have been considered legal or, or protected as under the First Amendment or anything like this.
00:16:08.480 It's a very radical new idea that child mutilation porn would somehow be protected speech.
00:16:16.540 Genevieve, I've got to leave it there because we're right up against the wall.
00:16:20.820 We have to have you back to talk more about this.
00:16:22.960 People write in all the time, not about this kind of porn, generally speaking, but about pornography addiction, about the things you're talking about, how it escalates, how they were exposed to it super young, how it's destroying their lives.
00:16:34.220 So we have to get you back to talk more about this issue that seems to be ubiquitous and nobody wants to talk about in public.
00:16:42.140 So, Genevieve, thank you for coming on.
00:16:43.240 Where can people find you?
00:16:44.100 I can be found on Twitter at womenreadwomen and also redux.info.
00:16:51.220 So that's redux with two X's, R-E-D-U-X-X.info.
00:16:54.480 We're a news site that focuses pretty heavily on the issues with transgenderism and how that conflicts with the rights of women and children.
00:17:03.580 And that's how you pronounce it, by the way, is redux.
00:17:05.880 I was pronouncing it in the French way, maybe the Latin way, redux.
00:17:09.800 Wonderful.
00:17:10.540 Go check out Genevieve's work there and then check her out here whenever she comes back on the show. 1.00
00:17:14.640 Thank you so much.
00:17:15.440 I'm Michael Knowles.
00:17:16.080 This is The Michael Knowles Show.
00:17:17.060 We'll see you tomorrow.
00:17:17.560 We'll see you tomorrow.