Michael Knowles Vs @LibsofTikTok： FACE-OFF
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Summary
Ben Bateman and Kaya Rechik play a game of "What's a TERF?" to see who knows more about wokeness, culture, and degeneracy than the one who actually lives with TikTok. Plus, a special guest appearance from Professor Jacob Jacobson.
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What they're saying is 72% of that group are saying we're heterosexual.
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The libs have gone wild, and it's no longer confined to the red light districts of Portland.
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It's being spread all over the Senate hearing room floor.
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It's going topless on the White House lawn, and maybe most disturbingly,
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all of this degeneracy is being posted all over TikTok.
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Now, who would know more about this phenomenon on TikTok than the person who made their name
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Michael Knowles, whose whole show is basically reacting to clips from libs of TikTok.
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But does he know more about woke lingo, culture, and degeneracy than Kaya Rechik, who actually lives with TikTok?
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We're going to find out in this episode of Face Off.
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Ladies and gentlemen, thank you so much for coming on the show.
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And I can't tell who has more of an advantage on this, because you obviously are the source of all of these great lib videos.
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But I shamelessly steal them every single day, and you end up writing like a third of my show.
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I might have spent more time with your content than you have.
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I sometimes have to do so much research into this stuff.
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And there's so many genders and sexualities and stuff.
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I sometimes have to watch a video literally 25 times, I'm not even exaggerating, before I post it.
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And there's new flags and new terms every single day.
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It was extremely confusing coming up with each question for this episode.
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But what's not confusing are the instructions for how we're going to play face-off.
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We thought we'd warm up with an easy one, you know?
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I have the same answer, but I, here, I'll get it on camera.
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But I also drew a little picture of a witch at the top for J.K. Rowling.
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Yeah, I don't think you get points for extra pictures.
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Is it A, a gender identity for someone who identifies fully as a boy, but is exploring other gender expressions?
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B, a gender identity describing someone who is partially but not wholly identifying as a boy.
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C, a historical title given to a young nobleman in medieval societies.
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Or D, a young Jewish man who watches Star Wars and has a bad taste in music.
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Who do you know that is a young Jewish boy who watches Star Wars and has a bad taste in music?
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Oh, I couldn't tell if it was like, I couldn't tell if it was a Shapiro jab, but no, it's a Professor Jake.
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But even still, I'm going to put, I might put down a different answer.
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And I actually put out a poll on Twitter yesterday if I should watch it or not.
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And I think I'm going to be forced to watch it now because everyone's voting yes.
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The second movie is kind of fun and maybe better.
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And then pretty much all the other ones are terrible, like the other 57 movies that they've made.
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Because obviously, it's like a demigod, you know?
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It's not a god who's exploring other states of being.
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It's someone who's like half this and half that and, you know?
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How many colors were on the original Pride flag in 1978?
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This actually changed because of manufacturing reasons on the flag.
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I thought, see, when you said manufacturing reasons, I assumed it was just hard for them
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And so they changed it later because it had too many.
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Did I get half a point because I was half right?
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Is it A, a term used to describe big tech companies limiting or removing all the best
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content posted on certain social media channels?
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B, the experience of repeated widespread discrimination by individual members of society
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C, a policy implemented by governments to segregate or limit the freedom of specific groups based
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Or D, the institutionalized prejudice rooted in historical inequities that affects certain
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groups across all levels of society, including political, social, and economic?
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It's like the official, like, definition according to who?
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There is a tie break at the end, so don't worry.
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Oh, but I never watch Star Wars, so I'm screwed.
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Does this have to do with gender, or it's a different topic?
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It involves stuff, which is how all this stuff.
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Okay, I just wrote furries, and I made a little animal.
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Fortunately, neither one of you guys got it right.
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So is the pie, is it because it's, because polyamorous orgies are irrational?
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I actually thought that might be the reason why.
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That's, it makes more sense than what I can guess there.
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Is it maybe because when you have someone bend himself over into a complete circle,
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and then you try to insert another person in the orgy as the diameter,
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that when you try to divide the two, you end up with pie?
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Or did I just put that image in your head for no reason?
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Now we're going to have to think about this all day.
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Yeah, and I don't want to, but I might have to also.
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According to Pew Research, what state is the most lib?
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What has the highest percent of the population is liberal?
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Not the, not, it's not the most populous in terms of libs.
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You're saying the highest percentage of the liberals.
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That is so, no one else at the entire Daily Wire office got that right.
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Because, you know, everyone wants to say Oregon or something, but Oregon is conservative.
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And we're like Washington, Seattle is liberal, but the rest of it's conservative.
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No, there are like no conservatives except for the three people that voted for Scott Brown
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And like, and people say they think California, but it's only LA and San Francisco.
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And, or like New York, but it's only New York City.
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Everything else is not, and I post so much about Massachusetts.
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Like it might be, it's definitely, it might be the number one.
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What's crazy about it is it's only 36 or 38%, which is, that's shocking.
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But there are several states that are 50% conservative and only like four or five states have more
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liberals than conservative, which is crazy that, you know, a lot more elections aren't
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But the conservatives are kind of, because they're conservative, because they're just normal
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It's always the minorities, the concerted political minorities, like the Bolsheviks, Bolshevik
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meaning like the majority, but it was really a small number of people, but they, they're
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So you get, you get up to 40% or whatever in Massachusetts, you're done.
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It was like, there's not even anything, but like Massachusetts, it's a lost cause.
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On that Blackpill moment, what is queer baiting?
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It's what happens, you know, when, when the conservatives come to power.
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I don't know, I want to know what queer baiting would be.
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I'm sure it'll be featured soon, I'll lose a TikTok.
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Is it A, a marketing strategy that includes exclusive LGBTQ content to appeal directly to that
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Is it B, the practice in media and entertainment of hinting at but not actually depicting same-sex
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romance or LGBTQ plus themes to attract an LGBTQ plus audience?
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Is it C, a genre of literature that focuses primarily on LGBTQ plus characters and stories?
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Or D, doing a soft shoe dance routine in your show's cold open?
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You know, you won't give me the point for it, but there's a clear answer here.
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And you won't give me the point, but it's okay.
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When you asked the question, I was thinking, I was like, what could that word possibly mean?
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I've heard the word before, though I've never heard it.
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Like, I've never heard the definition of it exactly, but I think it's the libs who, like,
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I might, I might, this might be where we split our top.
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Oh, it's a little dancing with a martini on a desk.
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Just, it was kind of hedging my bets, you know?
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It actually, you didn't need to because the answer is B.
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They're hinting at it, but not willing to commit, you know, so it's queerbaiting.
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This was actually a term that came up during our interview with Nala Ray,
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where she talked about on a website that we can't mention on, on YouTube.
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How straight men will pretend a certain way to attract more viewers who are homosexual.
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We call, in the conservative movement, we call it the old Bill Buckley approach,
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One of the, there's a transvestite at Media Matters who I think called me that one time.
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I'm like questioning everything I've been doing the past few years because I don't think I've ever been called that.
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You know the one, I won't say his name on air, but he, you know, there's that one transvestite at Media Matters and he gets paid to watch our content.
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So I don't, I assume it means a devilishly handsome Cecilia.
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Well, we'll see if it's one of the answers here.
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Is it number A, a person who is primarily attracted to individuals because they belong to a specific marginalized group?
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Is it B, a term used to describe someone who actively seeks relationships with people significantly younger than themselves?
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C, a nickname for someone who participates in competitive dating or relationship games?
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Or D, an attention seeker who spends their time doxing while also trying to keep their own anonymity by covering their face with medical masks in public in 2024?
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There's a lot of terms I would use to describe Taylor.
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Most of them will probably get a fencer on YouTube.
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When I was a kid, this will date me, but when I was a youth, a chaser was that little shot of pickle juice you'd have after the whiskey.
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But on social media, I mean, it's like Chaser, you know, that's a term that's used.
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I mean, when I was a kid, we used chaser, I guess, when we played tag.
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People ask me, I say chaser, I hardly know her.
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Okay, I think we've exhausted all of the puns and synonyms or homonyms, I suppose.
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Can I say homonym on air or is that homophobic?
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Unless YouTube updates its guidelines, we're fine.
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Is it A, someone whose gender expression is feminine, B, a style of fashion characterized
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by exaggerated femininity often used in theatrical performances or drag shows, C, a type of behavior
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in social interactions that emphasizes gentleness and empathy traditionally associated with female
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gender roles, or D, a dance style that involves fluid, graceful movements often performed in
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heels and traditionally associated with female dancers?
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This is the first really hard one because they're so similar.
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In a way, I want to do C just because we haven't had any C answers yet.
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This is a really tricky one because they're, you know.
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And then I always think, you know, the thing that they do is they say, you know, like,
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I'm a demi-trans, you know, queer homo boy girl.
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And they have some gobbledygook and you try to pin it down.
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Like, okay, you're a boy who thinks you want to wear a dress.
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And it's all, anytime you try to pin it down, they say, well, you don't have to do that.
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And so, I figured, go with the most general one, which is, like, you kind of feel vaguely feminine.
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Yeah, I've just, I've seen dozens of TikToks where they're, like, showing off how they look.
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And they're like, oh, I'm a femme girl or I'm a femme boy.
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So, I actually kind of knew that one, that it was referring to the dress and looks in general.
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Number 10, according to the Guttmire Institute, which two states are tied for being the most pro-abortion?
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No, like the most laws in favor of, like the most crazy protections.
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I'll list you the protections after we get through.
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Just the craziest laws to help with that process.
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I have a little hair gel there for Gavin Newsom.
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According to the Guttmire Institute, the two correct answers were Oregon and Vermont.
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Oregon, you can kill a baby up until the moment of birth, like without question, basically.
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I know Alaska has a lot of abortions, but I don't think the laws, I don't think it's
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a matter of their laws just being super liberal.
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New York, though, you can kill a baby up until the moment of birth, too.
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You know, Andy Cuomo lit up the Empire State Building, or the World Trade Center in pink.
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So I'm sort of surprised New York doesn't rank up there, but I'll take my one point.
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I mean, it ranks really high up there, but it doesn't have all these laws to keep it in
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One, it's not restricted based on gestation duration, obviously.
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Private health insurance plans are required to cover abortion.
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Qualified health care professionals, not solely physicians, can also provide it.
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The state provides protections from harassment and physical harm for anyone entering an abortion
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And the state has a shield law to protect abortion providers from investigations by other states,
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and may cover also patients in support of their organizations.
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That's like North Korea levels of killing babies.
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I mean, did you see that video from Newsom like the other week?
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Where he's like, people in cars are getting stopped and women are getting pulled out of
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their cars and being thrown in jail for getting an abortion?
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I watched that video and I thought, you know, the ladies, first of all, no one's proposing
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this, but second of all, they are going to kill like one of their children.
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I didn't totally sympathize with the protagonist, but anyway.
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Like, they actually, they wish this was happening.
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Obviously, those are the two worst ones, but all the pro-life states are the, there's
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much more of those colors taking over the map, let's just say, than all the pro-abortion
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Is it A, a style of makeup characterized by subtle, natural-looking enhancements typically
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Is it B, a term used within the LGBTQ plus community to describe an identity or presentation
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Is it C, a term for the use of makeup used to better align oneself with the gender they
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prefer, often a large amount, to look more like a physical mask?
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Or D, someone whose gender expression is masculine, sometimes used as a derogatory term
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for lesbians, but it can also be claimed as an affirmative identity label, similar to
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It's a gender expression that is associated with masculinity.
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Like, even if you say, like, well, yeah, but it's also kind of like the term bull or
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something, and it's, lesbians sort of use it too or whatever.
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You know, it doesn't, like, that's true, but that's just a specific instantiation of the
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It's like the anarchist flag, but we're very decadent.
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We can do it just flags and have a whole episode.
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So if you are just an ally, you can have as much pride as everybody else going through
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And do we know what the gay panda flag is then?
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There was a bear flag that I almost used, but I'm not seeing it.
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Maybe I'll draw that in the corner while we're answering these questions.
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What country has the highest share of people identifying as LGBTQ plus?
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Greatest increase in the number of, or you're saying that just the highest proportion?
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The highest share of people identifying like a percent of their population.
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Are these all, like where does the U.S. fall in?
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I, well, all the Brits are kind of gay, but they still get married and have kids and stuff.
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I said A, Brazil, and then also that's my gay panda.
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It's a panda holding a Cosmo with a limp wrist.
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Because we need to know the colors of the flag.
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I was debating between Brazil and Great Britain.
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No, I'm not, because they're all, you know, they're like a little Latin, you know, they're
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In, in Kaya's defense though, in Britain, I assume every single man who attended any prep
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school, you know, had a little of the history boys treatment.
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Probably in terms of like, in terms of the, of the culture in the country.
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I wonder if Great Britain would be first from all of those options.
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Oh, there's a lot of, I don't know how to recover from this.
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I don't know how many people there are, but I'm pretty much giving up hope over here.
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And also, Great Britain's got a lot more Sharia law coming in.
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A. An oval or round object laid by a female bird, reptile, or fish.
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B. A phase in gender studies referring to the initial period of exploring gender fluidity
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C. A term used in psychology to describe the natural developmental stage of forming one's
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Someone who is an embryo of the person they will eventually hatch into.
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They all kind of sounded like the same thing to me.
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If only that's the term they were teaching kids in school, we'd be fine, right?
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Just like, yeah, I guess it's laid by birds and stuff.
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What they're saying is like, you don't, you know, decide to be trans, you just are trans.
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And there's, there's like pedos and groomers and creepy predators who are like, let's, let's crack that kid's, you know, that kid isn't an egg.
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No, that's what, that is like, obviously part of this whole, like when people call the ideology a groomer ideology, this is the kind of thing they're talking about, right?
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It's like, hey, kids, you probably have the same weird hangup that I do.
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And that's, and now those people are in your library.
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And they're, they're in your, your kindergarten kid's classroom and they get off on confusing kids.
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None of that can go on YouTube, but well, keeping on gross stuff, number 15, what is the name of the staffer who was caught doing something, something only meant for procreation in the Senate hearing room?
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Oh, I thought you were going to say the one who went topless and I already started writing it, but then it wasn't that now in the Senate hearing room.
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Like, yeah, they're like, no, we're not teaching your, your first grader about pronouns.
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And I'm like, here's a video of a teacher teaching their first graders about pronouns.
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You got to do the full name or you do just one name counts?
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I have, uh, Eric Swalwell, but I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm,
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I'm mostly joking because I know that all of Eric Swalwell's sex stuff involves female
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Michael, we don't know who the person with the camera was.
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We have a bonus question, but only, you know, if you want to go double or nothing.
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So the odds of you actually getting the same percent would be like, no way.
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Now, do you want to wager and go all in on double or nothing?
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I don't really, I don't stand to gain anything.
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Like I are, I could only lose, but, but yeah, whatever.
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What percent of Gen Z adults identify as something other than straight or heterosexual?
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Does that, like if you're an egg, do you count in?
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Like if they're an egg, they don't know, right?
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They wouldn't count, but they're still the thing.
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So really, whatever the number is, multiply it by two because all the eggs.
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Well, they probably, if they know they're an egg, they're probably already identifying as something else.
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Well, I thought the definition of an egg was a guy who's trans, but he doesn't know it.
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Kind of like when Norm MacDonald said he was a deeply closeted homosexual, but he's not gay.
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Like if you don't, if you're not aware, you can never be aware that you're an egg because the moment you're aware of it, you're not an egg anymore.
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So the way that the term is used, it's like people who are starting already to like think that maybe they need a label.
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So then I want credit for my previous answer, Mr. Davies, because what Kaya just said is that my answer was kind of right.
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I have two written down and I have to decide between these two.
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NBC said that it was from the study that NBC was quoting that nearly 30%.
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One in five adult members of Gen Z self-identify as LGBT.
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No, but it's also just, it's, it's not just LGBT.
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Oh, it's because there was a caveat of something other than.
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What if they're like non-binary, but they're not gay, you know?
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You know, the article actually doesn't give the numbers.
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Let's just end this before Michael continues researching.
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Can you send Michael a text with the article that we pulled?
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I want to see the, I want to see the numbers here.
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Michael's pride and arrogance going to that last question.
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The number of LGBTQ identifying adults is soaring.
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It's saying people that identify as LGBTQ or not heterosexual.
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Like how many people are identifying as heterosexual?
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So what they're saying is 72% of that group are saying we're heterosexual.
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Wait, it's getting, it's, it is now gayer than one in five?
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I'll, I'll take the tie in my great magnanimity.
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After spending five minutes trying to dispute it.
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No, I still hold to Ben Davies's statistical error, and I'm sure they'll sort it out in
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But if it is the case that our society is getting even gayer than one in five, then we've all
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Chaya, and she gets a 30-second read from you, Michael.
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Yeah, it was like you're going all in on one question.
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Libs of TikTok is not only one of the most important social media channels out there.
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It is also probably in the top five of all news sources in the world right now.
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And most important of all, constitutes at least a fifth, though I don't know, probably
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Ben Davies would put it at 30%, of the stories on my show every single day.
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Am I going to get a panda pride flag as my prize?
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You know, he'll just start a new company and have the pride flags go.
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Wait, so this is only the second time that Michael lost?
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Yeah, it's still disputed, but yeah, that's what.
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I would say that, you know, depending on how this thing is finally scored, I will admit
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that I lost in about the same way that Trump lost the 2020 election.
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I was just going to say, you're almost a competition denier.
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What do you think double or nothing means, Michael?
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I didn't know I could wager the points I had already won.
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What is the non-straight, non-straight, non-LGBT identity?
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There's a lot of weird identities out there, and apparently people are identifying as it.
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Honestly, that was found by the lovely Markella, and so she just added all of them up.
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This will be good for the comments, though, you know, we'll get it moving.
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The comeback was really the whole thrust of it.
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I don't mean to use the term thrust in an LGBT episode.
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Well, if you haven't already, head on over to X and follow libs of TikTok, and please write in the comments section and let us know who you'd like to see and what topic to cover in the next episode of Face Off.
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