The Michael Knowles Show - December 25, 2020


＂The War On Christmas： A History＂ ｜ Classic Episode

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Michael Knowles
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Hanukkah Mary David McCullough Merry Christmas Matthew Milana Karenga Good Ranchers Barack Obama Diane Ashton Louis C.K. Eisenhower Trump James George W. Bush Douglas MacArthur Calvin Coolidge Happy Holidays Mike Bloomberg Rosh Hashanah Harry Truman and 9 more
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Is there a War on Christmas? Of course there is. It's a staple of the holiday season, but is there a war on Christmas really a thing? Is it really so bad that it needs to be fought in the name of Christmas?

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00:00:37.660 Hey everybody, Michael Knowles here, host of The Michael Knowles Show.
00:00:41.280 One thing I know a lot of people like to do at Christmas is take a look back.
00:00:45.220 You know, go back and look at old scrapbooks and photographs and family movies.
00:00:50.260 So we're going to do the same thing.
00:00:51.580 We're going to go all the way back to episode 71 of this show years ago.
00:00:56.980 To the war on Christmas, a history.
00:01:00.420 I know a lot of conservatives even deny that the war on Christmas exists.
00:01:03.640 All the leftists deny that the war on Christmas exists, but it does.
00:01:08.380 So for your delight, for your edification, for the cause of fighting the war on Christmas
00:01:17.220 and defending the Christmas side of that, in which I consider myself a three-star general,
00:01:22.320 please enjoy this classic episode and Merry Christmas to everybody.
00:01:25.640 Today, I assume the role of candy cane-chomping Douglas MacArthur in the war on Christmas. 0.72
00:01:31.900 Does it exist?
00:01:33.060 Are we winning?
00:01:34.000 I will explain why the war on Christmas really matters, and I will be wearing this helmet
00:01:38.640 the whole time in case any lefties try to break in and attack me with euphemistic language.
00:01:43.300 Plus, the mailbag.
00:01:44.600 I'm Michael Knowles, and this is The Michael Knowles Show.
00:01:46.460 Is there a war on Christmas?
00:01:56.340 Of course there's a war on Christmas.
00:01:58.240 Stop trying to be a cool guy and get the New York Times to like you by pretending there isn't.
00:02:02.440 There obviously is.
00:02:03.560 It's now fashionable in some conservative circles, where people care what the New York Times thinks,
00:02:08.220 to say that the war on Christmas is some crazy illusion of conservatives.
00:02:12.380 And I'm, you know, I'm not that kind of conservative.
00:02:14.180 No, no.
00:02:14.680 I'm educated and fancy, and I think, wait, wait, don't tell me is clever.
00:02:18.720 I'm not one of those middle state rubes who pays attention to the degraded culture belched out every year 1.00
00:02:24.520 by our sophisticated bettors on the coasts.
00:02:26.900 Stop it.
00:02:27.800 Stop it.
00:02:28.440 You're embarrassing yourself.
00:02:29.700 Of course there is a war on Christmas.
00:02:31.540 To begin, here's the first bit of evidence.
00:02:33.440 Barack Obama struck the word Christmas from the White House Christmas card.
00:02:36.840 A quick look back through history shows this is not the norm.
00:02:40.620 Calvin Coolidge wrote in his 1927 White House Christmas card,
00:02:44.480 The real spirit of Christmas, if we think on these things, there will be born in us a savior,
00:02:49.900 and over us will shine a star, sending its gleam of hope to the world.
00:02:54.380 FDR wrote some variation of Merry Christmas from the President and Mrs. Roosevelt,
00:02:58.580 each of the 150 years he reigned in the White House.
00:03:00.860 Harry Truman wrote, quote,
00:03:02.760 As 1950 ebbs to its close, our hearts turn once more to Bethlehem and to the coming of
00:03:09.120 a little child, the divine infant that brought love to a weary world.
00:03:13.700 Six paragraphs later, six paragraphs later, he concluded, quote,
00:03:17.460 Glory to God in the highest, and on earth, peace and goodwill toward men.
00:03:22.560 Eisenhower wrote a curt, typical season's greetings for Christmas and New Year.
00:03:27.880 JFK, Happy Christmas.
00:03:29.460 The pieces of LBJ's card available still don't show the wording,
00:03:33.000 but given his preference for four-letter epithets, that's probably for the best.
00:03:36.840 Language on the other cards is hard to track down as well until we get to George W. Bush,
00:03:40.840 who included verses from Psalms on the Christmas card.
00:03:44.500 Then we get to Barack Obama, who not only struck mention of Christmas entirely,
00:03:48.500 but according to his own White House social secretary, tried to ban the creche,
00:03:53.500 the nativity scene, from the East Room of the White House.
00:03:56.920 Now, why would you do that, you ask?
00:03:58.800 Why would he want to do that?
00:04:00.300 Because they wanted to make Christmas more, quote, inclusive.
00:04:04.220 That's the line offered, by the way.
00:04:05.600 That's how you know that there is a war on Christmas.
00:04:08.340 School districts will replace Merry Christmas and Happy New Year with the vague
00:04:11.700 Happy Holidays, retail outlets, work environments.
00:04:14.980 Christmas parties have become vague holiday parties.
00:04:17.360 In many circles, particularly in the cultural centers of the country,
00:04:22.380 to say Merry Christmas has become a political act that expresses to the retail worker
00:04:27.160 or the acquaintance your political and politically incorrect point of view.
00:04:31.960 And if you harp on this long enough, as I do, as I do every year,
00:04:35.380 you will inevitably get the same reply.
00:04:37.780 Well, yeah, but why shouldn't the greeting be more inclusive?
00:04:41.840 You know, not everybody celebrates Christmas, you know,
00:04:44.360 and that's the moving of the goalposts.
00:04:46.480 First, there wasn't a war on Christmas.
00:04:48.100 Now, there is, but it doesn't matter.
00:04:49.960 That's how you know.
00:04:50.900 The other trick that those who deny the cultural movement will say is that it isn't a war.
00:04:55.900 The language, it's hyperbolic. 0.98
00:04:57.340 It's ridiculous. 0.97
00:04:58.080 There isn't a war. 0.96
00:04:59.060 You don't say.
00:04:59.800 There isn't.
00:05:00.160 There aren't guns.
00:05:01.020 That's true.
00:05:01.500 There aren't tanks and bullets.
00:05:03.240 Christmas is not literally being cut down by machine gun fire.
00:05:07.160 That's because the war on Christmas is a figure of speech,
00:05:10.160 much like the war on poverty, say.
00:05:11.780 Poverty is not being cut down by bullets because, like Christmas, it isn't material.
00:05:17.100 What is meant by the, quote, war on Christmas is a battle of language and culture.
00:05:21.160 There is a belligerent group of left-wing cultural warriors which seeks to replace clear,
00:05:25.900 traditional, precise language, Christmas, with vague, meaningless euphemisms like happy holidays
00:05:32.500 and season's greetings.
00:05:34.600 Of course, both phrases have been around for a long time.
00:05:36.900 But whereas in the past they referred specifically to Christmas and New Year's,
00:05:40.740 like Eisenhower's Christmas card, season's greetings for Christmas and New Year,
00:05:44.620 now they serve as a replacement for the politically correct term,
00:05:48.240 what the modern mind considers the grave offense of Christmastime, Merry Christmas.
00:05:53.760 But aren't there other major holidays during Christmastime beside Christmas and New Year's?
00:05:57.980 This is usually what they ask.
00:05:59.120 Not really.
00:06:00.200 There are holidays, to be sure, but no major ones.
00:06:02.680 The closest contender we have is Hanukkah, which is the Jewish festival of lights. 0.64
00:06:06.900 But while Hanukkah is indeed an ancient holiday, it dates back about 2,000 years,
00:06:11.900 it is a relatively minor holiday.
00:06:13.860 Major Jewish holidays are biblical.
00:06:15.740 They feature restrictions on work.
00:06:17.540 Because Hanukkah is non-biblical, there are few religious restrictions on work.
00:06:21.720 According to historian Diane Ashton, Hanukkah rose to prominence in America as it did,
00:06:27.240 not in the rest of the world, because of two Reform rabbis in 19th century Cincinnati 0.96
00:06:31.600 who worried their children had little connection to the synagogue.
00:06:34.780 Before that, there is little record of Hanukkah celebrations.
00:06:38.580 The rabbis modeled the celebration in gift-giving after Christmas.
00:06:41.940 As Ashton explains, quote,
00:06:43.720 They didn't see Christmas as something they could do easily because it's Christian, 1.00
00:06:47.160 but they did want to do something like that because it was American.
00:06:50.460 So kosher restaurants even started serving turkey dinners after the American custom.
00:06:55.140 That's Hanukkah. 0.76
00:06:55.780 The far less credible pretender is Kwanzaa, which is a socialist contrivance invented by
00:07:00.660 a criminal L.A. City College Africana Studies professor named Malana Karenga in 1966.
00:07:07.200 He created Kwanzaa to be a holiday specifically for black Americans,
00:07:10.880 even though black Americans already celebrated Christmas.
00:07:12.920 Ironically, while virtually all African slaves were brought to America from the west coast
00:07:18.200 of Africa, Kwanzaa is a Swahili word meaning first fruits that originated in East Africa,
00:07:23.520 which means none of the slaves brought to America would have understood it.
00:07:26.760 Now, one of the seven principles of Kwanzaa is communism,
00:07:29.820 Ujamaa cooperative economics,
00:07:32.280 and Malana Karenga himself was sentenced to prison in 1971
00:07:36.400 for felonious assault and false imprisonment after he sexually assaulted and tortured multiple women.
00:07:42.200 As the L.A. Times reported, he ordered them to strip naked, 0.75
00:07:44.820 whipped them with an electrical cord, and beat them with a karate baton.
00:07:48.460 Karenga then placed a hot soldering iron in one woman's mouth and against her face 1.00
00:07:52.640 and tightened her big toe in a vice. 1.00
00:07:54.740 He finally put detergent and running hoses in their mouths 0.87
00:07:57.220 and hit them on the head with toasters. 0.95
00:07:59.300 As the black power movement of the 1970s has waned, 0.99
00:08:02.480 so too has the celebration of the holiday.
00:08:04.280 On the high end of estimates, 0.3% of Americans acknowledge the supposed holiday.
00:08:10.300 That rate continues to decline.
00:08:12.820 So why pretend Christmastime does not center around Christmas?
00:08:16.020 Why pretend there are so many other major holidays on equal footing?
00:08:20.180 There's New Year on January 1st,
00:08:22.520 and we've long said good tiding for Christmas and a happy new year.
00:08:26.460 There's Hanukkah, a relatively minor holiday.
00:08:29.060 But by the way, we don't say happy holidays instead of happy Labor Day,
00:08:32.720 even though Rosh Hashanah, which is a far more important Jewish holiday than Hanukkah,
00:08:36.840 sometimes occurs around the same time.
00:08:38.520 You don't say that.
00:08:39.240 We don't say happy holidays or season's greetings instead of happy Columbus Day,
00:08:44.180 even though Yom Kippur, another much more important Jewish holiday,
00:08:47.520 sometimes occurs around that time.
00:08:49.320 Well, actually, now we don't say happy Columbus Day either.
00:08:51.500 We say blessed Indigenous Peoples Day or something like that.
00:08:54.100 That's another story.
00:08:55.260 There's Kwanzaa, a virtually non-existent holiday.
00:08:57.740 What else is there?
00:08:58.320 There's Boxing Day, which no one in the United States celebrates.
00:09:01.000 There's the winter solstice, which people pretend is a thing, but nobody celebrates.
00:09:05.660 And of course, it isn't about the celebrants of Hanukkah or Kwanzaa
00:09:09.920 or the winter solstice who are waging the war on Christmas.
00:09:13.200 It's the atheist left who constantly seeks to replace clear, 0.99
00:09:17.340 vivid language with bizarre, secular euphemisms.
00:09:21.280 This is the essence of political correctness.
00:09:23.720 The essence of political correctness is to replace clear language
00:09:26.480 with euphemisms to remove the strength of that language.
00:09:29.580 So we have abortion. 0.98
00:09:30.920 Abortion isn't the killing of babies in the womb. 1.00
00:09:33.480 It's women's reproductive health. 1.00
00:09:36.100 Assisted suicide isn't killing the old and the sick.
00:09:39.140 It's euthanasia.
00:09:40.460 Euthanasia is a word that literally means good death.
00:09:43.460 The good day, you know, it's good.
00:09:44.440 It's nice.
00:09:45.220 So it's no surprise that as political correctness reached peak potency
00:09:48.520 in the late 1990s and early 2000s, we see the war on Christmas.
00:09:53.140 Denver banned religious floats from its Christmas parade.
00:09:56.140 New York mayor Mike Bloomberg displayed the city's holiday tree.
00:09:59.920 Major department stores like Macy's removed references to Christmas.
00:10:03.320 Public schools began removing Christian symbols from Christmastime display
00:10:06.840 all around this time.
00:10:08.780 How coincidental.
00:10:10.040 Now, the left alternately denies that the war on Christmas exists,
00:10:13.200 and then when they can't deny it any longer, they say it doesn't matter.
00:10:16.260 Who cares?
00:10:17.120 Who cares?
00:10:18.060 It's just language.
00:10:19.120 You're just arguing over semantics.
00:10:21.200 Sure.
00:10:21.420 But semantics means meaning.
00:10:23.920 If the language doesn't matter, then why are the war on Christmas belligerents
00:10:27.100 so insistent on changing the traditional, clear, and precise language?
00:10:32.180 If it doesn't matter, then great.
00:10:33.820 Great.
00:10:34.180 That's perfect.
00:10:35.420 Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.
00:10:37.880 Forget about happy holidays.
00:10:39.200 But of course language matters.
00:10:40.720 Of course.
00:10:41.540 Those who insist on the bizarre, vague euphemisms, they know precisely that.
00:10:45.380 Because politics sits downstream of culture.
00:10:48.660 You know who else knows that is President Trump.
00:10:50.200 Here he is on the campaign trail.
00:10:52.840 You know, we're getting near that beautiful Christmas season that people don't talk about
00:10:57.300 anymore.
00:10:58.620 They don't use the word Christmas because it's not politically correct.
00:11:02.940 You go department stores and they'll say Happy New Year and they'll say other things
00:11:07.400 and it'll be red.
00:11:08.760 They'll have it painted, but they don't say, well, guess what?
00:11:11.820 We're saying Merry Christmas again.
00:11:16.660 This was a great promise.
00:11:18.060 People didn't really take it seriously because they don't take these language issues seriously.
00:11:22.080 But here is President Trump as president.
00:11:25.380 The Christmas story begins 2,000 years ago with a mother, a father, their baby son, and
00:11:32.040 the most extraordinary gift of all, the gift of God's love for all of humanity.
00:11:38.020 Whatever our beliefs, we know that the birth of Jesus Christ and the story of this incredible
00:11:43.980 life forever changed the course of human history.
00:11:48.060 Each and every year at Christmastime, we recognize that the real spirit of Christmas is not what
00:11:55.700 we have.
00:11:56.980 It's about who we are.
00:11:58.900 Each one of us is a child of God.
00:12:02.980 That is the true source of joy this time of the year.
00:12:06.800 That is what makes every Christmas merry.
00:12:11.820 And now as the President of the United States, it's my tremendous honor to finally wish America
00:12:17.580 and the world a very merry Christmas.
00:12:21.880 There's nothing like just sitting here with a little candy cane pipe and watching that.
00:12:29.500 That is pretty good.
00:12:31.160 And there's good news.
00:12:32.200 The great news in the war on Christmas is that clear language and tradition are finally
00:12:36.500 winning after a decade or a decade and a half.
00:12:39.040 According to a 2005 Gallup poll, 41% of respondents deferred to Happy Holidays over Merry Christmas.
00:12:46.040 Ten years later, a similar survey, albeit through a different research center, found that number
00:12:50.920 had dropped to just 25%.
00:12:52.840 Now, the last two years have brought a cultural exuberance to the right, and it's given us
00:12:57.420 myriad early Christmas presents.
00:12:59.480 We've got tax reform, originalist judges, responsible foreign policy, massive deregulation,
00:13:04.940 Obamacare mandate repeal.
00:13:06.680 The list goes on and on.
00:13:09.060 Now, all of this has been possible because of a cultural shift in the country away from insidious
00:13:13.720 euphemisms and political correctness, the pinnacle of insidious euphemisms.
00:13:19.580 Now is not the time to retreat or seek the approval of the New York Times.
00:13:23.180 David McCullough observed that to write well is to think clearly, and that's why it's so hard.
00:13:28.040 Don't give in to fashionably muddled thinking, especially around the incarnation of the divine
00:13:33.140 logic himself.
00:13:34.620 I'm going to put down my candy cane pipe, and we're going to get into the mailbag.
00:13:38.960 First question from David.
00:13:40.800 Hi, Michael.
00:13:41.540 Well, first, I'd like to point out I'm a big fan of your show.
00:13:44.020 Thanks.
00:13:44.740 You had made an argument for venerating Mary.
00:13:47.400 I understand having great respect to Mary as the woman chosen by God to bear Jesus in
00:13:52.560 human form, but I'm curious as to how does praying to Mary not conflict with the first
00:13:57.280 two commandments?
00:13:58.760 I myself am a Christian and base my faith on scripture and use scripture as the basis to
00:14:03.520 evaluate practices, ideologies, et cetera.
00:14:05.800 Thanks, David.
00:14:06.420 A good time of year to be asking that question.
00:14:09.000 You know, I think a lot of this boils down to this question that some Protestants ask,
00:14:14.760 which is, why would you pray to anybody?
00:14:16.900 Why not just pray directly to Jesus?
00:14:19.380 Why would you pray to saints?
00:14:21.220 Or why would you have people on earth pray to you?
00:14:23.560 In Revelation chapter five, here's a verse.
00:14:28.160 And when he had taken it, the four living creatures and the 24 elders fell down before
00:14:32.160 the lamb.
00:14:33.020 Each one had a harp and they were holding golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers
00:14:38.220 of God's people.
00:14:39.960 So we have the saints offering prayers to God in heaven.
00:14:43.720 They're offering prayers for what?
00:14:45.280 They're not offering prayers for themselves.
00:14:46.660 They're in heaven.
00:14:47.380 They're offering prayers for other people.
00:14:49.420 So as early as the first century of the Christian tradition, we see people asking for intercession,
00:14:56.180 praying for intercession.
00:14:57.780 And we have the city of God, the saints who are in heaven, praying for those of us who
00:15:02.120 aren't there yet or who need their prayers.
00:15:05.400 We have 1 Timothy from Paul, which is pseudepigraphal, but it might tell you something.
00:15:10.800 Certainly we still read 1 Timothy.
00:15:12.500 Quote,
00:15:12.740 First of all, then I urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgiving be
00:15:18.020 made for all men, for kings and all who are in high positions, that we may lead a quiet
00:15:23.060 and peaceable life, godly and respectful in every way.
00:15:26.340 This is good and pleasing to God, our Savior, who desires all men to be saved and to come
00:15:30.800 to the knowledge of the truth.
00:15:32.420 Now, Paul asks others to pray for him all the time.
00:15:35.640 And Romans and Ephesians, Colossians, 1 Thessalonians, 2 Thessalonians.
00:15:40.100 And he prayed for others.
00:15:41.660 We see that in 2 Thessalonians.
00:15:43.240 Christ himself tells us to pray for others.
00:15:45.780 He says, quote,
00:15:46.380 Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you.
00:15:49.480 Why wouldn't he tell them, I'll just have them pray to me directly.
00:15:52.100 No, he says you have to pray for others.
00:15:53.800 Pray to whom?
00:15:54.280 Pray to him.
00:15:55.200 Jesus regularly supplies for one person based on the faith of another person.
00:16:00.120 So in Matthew, we see Christ says,
00:16:02.260 Oh woman, great is your faith.
00:16:04.360 Be it done for you as you desire and her daughter is healed.
00:16:07.240 So it's not the daughter praying.
00:16:08.560 It's someone interceding for the daughter and praying.
00:16:10.640 And based on the woman's faith, the daughter is healed.
00:16:14.220 We don't hear about the daughter's faith.
00:16:15.600 We only hear about the mother's faith.
00:16:17.200 Matthew, another in Matthew.
00:16:18.840 Lord, have mercy on my son for he has seizures and he suffers terribly.
00:16:22.320 In Mark, teacher, I brought my son to you that he has a spirit that makes him mute.
00:16:26.300 In Luke, do not fear, only believe.
00:16:28.400 And she, your daughter, will be well.
00:16:30.800 So one thing we also know from James is that the prayers of the righteous work especially well.
00:16:36.860 So James says the prayer of a righteous man has great power in its effects.
00:16:41.840 We know that Mary is quite righteous.
00:16:44.000 There's the immaculate conception.
00:16:45.540 She was selected to be the ark of the new covenant, to give birth to the incarnation, to our risen Lord.
00:16:53.280 Seems to me she would be a good person to pray for you as well.
00:16:57.420 I think that's a lot of words.
00:16:59.120 I think probably you could answer that question by saying she's the mother of Jesus.
00:17:02.520 She's the mother of God.
00:17:03.940 But I hope that clears it up a little bit because very often I think people say,
00:17:08.080 well, I don't think we should do these rituals or these traditions or have this liturgy because it's not in Scripture.
00:17:13.580 But actually, it is in Scripture.
00:17:15.040 It does come from Scripture.
00:17:15.960 The liturgy comes from Scripture.
00:17:17.640 And you just have to read a little more broadly or more closely to see exactly how that fits in.
00:17:24.500 It's not always clear to people who aren't in the tradition itself.
00:17:27.720 Next question from Bridget.
00:17:29.280 Hey, Michael.
00:17:30.380 So I've made a bit of a political come around in 2016 due to all the election craziness.
00:17:34.780 I was pretty far to the left in most ways and still am on a lot of economical issues.
00:17:39.020 But I've recently become more devout in my Catholic faith and have changed my position from pro-choice to pro-life.
00:17:45.220 I'm afraid to tell my pro-choice friends and family because I'm afraid they'll ostracize me.
00:17:49.360 And I was wondering if you have any advice.
00:17:50.960 I do.
00:17:52.120 This is hard.
00:17:52.740 This is a hard thing to happen to me.
00:17:54.520 I was pro-choice back when I was – I wasn't really left-wing, but I was pro-choice.
00:17:59.780 I'm from New York.
00:18:00.800 New York Republicans are just not terribly conservative.
00:18:04.180 As I got more conservative, it was clear to me that abortion isn't good and we shouldn't have it be a legal thing.
00:18:12.280 Diana Schaub, who's a bioethicist, convinced me of this over a lunch.
00:18:15.800 And when it happened, I didn't know how to tell my friends.
00:18:18.020 The way you have to do it is two things, unapologetically and patiently.
00:18:23.320 Don't apologize.
00:18:24.240 The left sees pro-life as anti-woman.
00:18:26.960 They really earnestly believe that.
00:18:28.440 It's not just some joke.
00:18:29.980 And so you have to be unapologetic.
00:18:32.520 You have nothing to apologize for.
00:18:34.460 But you also have to be patient with them.
00:18:38.900 They're not going to understand.
00:18:40.380 Be calm.
00:18:41.260 Usually the first person to get angry and start screaming in an argument is the one who doesn't understand really what you're arguing over.
00:18:47.520 So be patient.
00:18:48.380 Be calm about it.
00:18:49.800 And Louis C.K. had a good bit on this.
00:18:52.400 Louis C.K., the now disgraced comedian, but he had a good bit.
00:18:55.060 He said, you know, abortion, I don't think it's a big deal.
00:18:57.920 It's like going to the bathroom.
00:18:59.000 It's just going to the bathroom.
00:19:00.040 It's not a big deal or it's killing a baby.
00:19:03.480 It's either completely meaningless like excretion or it's murdering a baby.
00:19:08.820 And I think you have to explain those premises because if you explain those premises and it's perfectly logical and compassionate from there and then you just debate the premise.
00:19:17.980 Is this baby in the womb?
00:19:20.300 Is it living?
00:19:22.460 Yes.
00:19:23.100 Is it human?
00:19:24.140 Yeah.
00:19:24.380 It's not a dog.
00:19:25.020 It's not a giraffe.
00:19:25.720 It's human.
00:19:26.460 So is it independent or is it part of the mother?
00:19:28.640 It's independent.
00:19:29.160 It has its own genome.
00:19:30.360 It will develop into its own personality.
00:19:32.960 It has a beating heart within not very many days.
00:19:35.560 It's obviously independent or separate rather.
00:19:39.200 It's obviously dependent for food on its mother. 0.95
00:19:42.160 And so if all of those things are true, then the question is, are you willing to risk what is the moral equivalent of murder?
00:19:50.000 Because on the premise that it doesn't yet have human dignity when you're going to abort it, if you put it in those terms, I think you might not bring them totally to understand.
00:19:59.140 But they'll begin to understand the premise.
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