The Michael Knowles Show - Unvaccinated Child Denied Organ Transplant ｜ FULL INTERVIEW Chrissy and Lee Hicks

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00:00:37.580 I really, really want to get to Lee and Chrissy Hicks, parents of Yulia Hicks,

00:00:45.160 this 14-year-old girl who needs the kidney transplant.

00:00:47.820 Lee and Chrissy are both Army veterans.

00:00:51.000 They are parents to 11 children, 8 biological children and 3 adopted children.

00:00:56.940 You want to talk family goals?

00:00:58.580 This is the family that I suspect we all aspire to.

00:01:02.900 Okay, they live in North Carolina.

00:01:04.340 They homeschool their kids.

00:01:05.580 They're doing everything right.

00:01:07.080 They are so grounded here.

00:01:09.100 And all they are asking is that the medical establishment give their daughter basic treatment.

00:01:19.320 And this medical center, this Duke University Children's Hospital, is behaving in a way that is simply evil.

00:01:27.380 I don't know how else to.

00:01:28.340 It's just evil to say, yeah, oh, you like that kidney?

00:01:32.160 Oh, you like your daughter?

00:01:32.940 You want your daughter to live? 0.99

00:01:33.820 Okay, take the shot.

00:01:35.520 Take the shot that we lied to you about for two years.

00:01:38.220 Take the shot that has killed people, that has killed a lot of people, actually.

00:01:42.900 Okay?

00:01:43.260 And that's not a conspiracy theory.

00:01:44.840 That's well attested to at this point.

00:01:46.500 Even the medical establishment will admit it in some moments of candor.

00:01:53.140 Okay?

00:01:53.600 And take the shot that has, I think, been shown to complicate things such as organ donation.

00:02:01.440 Take it because we tell you to.

00:02:03.260 And if you don't do what we tell you to do, we're going to take your kid from you.

00:02:06.980 Lee, Chrissy, thank you for coming on the show.

00:02:08.920 Thank you for having us.

00:02:10.540 So awful what you're going through.

00:02:12.740 Obviously, you've got my sympathy, and I'm sure it's sympathy for everybody out there.

00:02:17.920 Before we figure out how to fix it, what exactly has Duke been telling you?

00:02:23.980 Well, we've been seen by the Duke doctors for her dialysis for the last two years.

00:02:28.040 Once the COVID vaccine became, I guess, approved for children, I think that was in March last year,

00:02:34.480 they started saying, like, do you want to give her the shot? 0.63

00:02:36.400 Do you want to give her the shot?

00:02:37.000 We kept pushing back and saying, no, we're not going to do the shot.

00:02:40.480 And they would say, well, you're not going to get a transplant without it.

00:02:42.700 And I just kept telling them, well, we'll cross that bridge when we get there.

00:02:45.560 Let's just focus on doing, you know, dialysis with her. 1.00

00:02:48.500 She fought COVID in January of 2022, 24 hours.

00:02:52.720 It was a very mild case, no problems.

00:02:55.740 And she got over it right away.

00:02:58.000 So we've always been pushing back against the shot.

00:03:01.380 Of course.

00:03:02.100 What is the argument here to get it?

00:03:04.500 Because I remember when the shot first came out, the Fauci's of the world were insisting 1.00

00:03:09.380 that everybody get it and then everyone get the second one and everyone get the third one

00:03:12.480 because it was so effective that you had to get like five of them.

00:03:15.260 But then even medical doctors, even people from the big medical establishment institutions

00:03:21.480 came out and admitted, actually, COVID doesn't pose this huge risk to younger people.

00:03:27.780 Actually, some of the vaccines seem to pose a greater risk specifically to younger people

00:03:33.480 than COVID does.

00:03:34.780 This is why the use of the vaccine has been banned places all over the world for people

00:03:40.620 under the age of 30, for teenagers.

00:03:43.440 So how do they even look at you with a straight face and say, you're a 14-year-old girl who faces

00:03:48.340 statistically zero risk from COVID.

00:03:52.580 She has to take the shot or we won't give her a kidney. 1.00

00:03:55.580 They don't give an explanation at all.

00:03:58.060 They just tell us that that's where the CDC's recommendation changed in October.

00:04:02.520 And that's when they said, OK, now you're going to have to get the shot.

00:04:06.280 They say it's not a requirement, but it is because they say it's just highly recommended,

00:04:13.280 but you can't get the kidney without getting the vaccination.

00:04:15.960 And so it is a requirement.

00:04:17.220 They're just playing semantics with words.

00:04:19.340 And up until October, they were doing kidney transplants without the vaccine.

00:04:24.240 We know that for a fact.

00:04:25.780 We have one of the guys reached out to us and told us he received a kidney without the

00:04:29.180 vaccine in October.

00:04:30.700 So it was up until October, this past October, they were doing that.

00:04:33.820 And now all of a sudden, they changed their tone and make it a requirement.

00:04:37.780 And then they don't give us an explanation.

00:04:40.460 They said, you don't get the kidney if you don't get the vaccination.

00:04:42.840 That's an amazing trick of language.

00:04:45.360 They say it's a recommendation, but it's actually a requirement because the medical centers

00:04:51.560 say, well, we are going to force you to follow all the CDC recommendations.

00:04:55.200 So the CDC gets to get away with saying, no, no, we're not requiring it.

00:04:58.000 But in practice, this is required for everybody.

00:05:00.740 So what is your opposition to your daughter getting the vaccine?

00:05:05.560 Is it medical?

00:05:06.500 Is it religious?

00:05:07.700 Is it political?

00:05:09.060 Is it all of the above?

00:05:10.860 I was going to say, can it be all of the above?

00:05:12.420 So we've always requested medical, I mean, religious exemptions for all the vaccines that

00:05:18.060 have aborted fetal cell lines.

00:05:19.540 We've done it with all of our children.

00:05:21.360 This is no different.

00:05:22.320 However, there's just so much evidence mounting about the dangers of this vaccine.

00:05:27.720 I mean, you really have to be blind or turning a blind eye if you don't see how much is happening

00:05:33.080 with this vaccine.

00:05:34.620 On top of that, we've done a lot of research on our own and found peer reviewer articles that

00:05:38.360 are showing that there is a higher risk of rejection with solid organ transplant if they've

00:05:43.220 been vaccinated.

00:05:44.580 So I guess I would have to say all of the above.

00:05:47.140 Of course.

00:05:47.660 Of course.

00:05:48.260 Makes perfect sense.

00:05:50.100 But as we were just discussing earlier today, there is now a major attack on religious liberty

00:05:56.480 coming from the Congress and coming from the White House.

00:05:59.220 I mean, this bill that they just signed, the Respect for Marriage Act, effectively prohibits

00:06:03.520 Christian, Jewish, Muslim, and ordinary agnostic people.

00:06:08.360 From refusing to participate in a so-called gay marriage in public life.

00:06:12.580 I mean, though the headline seems to be this is about marriage, it's ultimately really about

00:06:17.680 suppressing religion.

00:06:19.080 And that's true in many ways of the COVID vaccine.

00:06:21.780 There are very strong bioethical, religious, moral arguments for not taking this vaccine.

00:06:28.380 And in most areas of public life, you look at the military exemptions, you look at government

00:06:32.640 exemptions.

00:06:33.240 They try to do it even with private sector exemptions.

00:06:35.440 Because the powers that be say, too bad.

00:06:38.800 I don't care.

00:06:39.280 Take your religion and stuff it. 0.95

00:06:41.620 So is this just a Duke problem?

00:06:43.600 Or is this any medical center you could go to?

00:06:47.680 Well, so there are other children in hospitals in North Carolina that require the same thing

00:06:52.920 for a kidney transplant.

00:06:54.160 You cannot get the kidney transplant without the vaccination, which makes no sense to me.

00:06:57.980 But there are places in Texas and Florida that will do it without.

00:07:00.720 So it's being done in this country without, it's not like we're putting her life in danger

00:07:04.400 by not following the doctors that know how to do transplants.

00:07:07.420 That's not what we're getting at.

00:07:08.920 But there are other places that are doing it.

00:07:10.380 In fact, Duke was doing it just three months ago.

00:07:12.700 They were giving transplants to unvaccinated patients.

00:07:15.560 And now suddenly we are being excluded from that.

00:07:19.260 And we have been finding this mandate other ways, too.

00:07:21.420 So we had to fight the mandate for our kids to go to college without getting the shot.

00:07:24.780 This isn't the first time we've had to fight the mandates.

00:07:26.720 Right.

00:07:27.460 Right.

00:07:27.720 Of course.

00:07:28.160 No, we did it at the Daily Wire.

00:07:29.500 We ended up suing the federal government.

00:07:31.320 We were the first company to bring this lawsuit that, mercifully, that one we won.

00:07:37.460 Some of the other lawsuits about the military exemptions and all the rest, those did not

00:07:43.500 work out.

00:07:43.800 But the one that we were on, we won.

00:07:45.020 And we did it because we said, well, what are we going to do?

00:07:47.940 If the government does come down and say, you as a business have to mandate this for

00:07:53.660 your employees, we would have to go along with it or close up shop.

00:07:59.020 There was no other option because the fees could end up being hundreds of thousands of

00:08:03.200 dollars per day.

00:08:05.480 So they could bankrupt the business within two weeks.

00:08:07.820 It's tyranny.

00:08:08.340 Yeah.

00:08:08.960 That's right.

00:08:09.360 It's medical tyranny.

00:08:10.600 All of it.

00:08:11.200 It's all tyranny.

00:08:12.320 That's right.

00:08:12.540 If we don't have the freedom to choose what we've decided is conjected into our body,

00:08:17.100 then we've lost our freedoms altogether.

00:08:19.080 You've got the option in Florida.

00:08:20.660 You've got the option in Texas.

00:08:22.580 Yeah.

00:08:23.040 Is that ultimately what you're going to have to do?

00:08:24.920 I mean, I can't imagine it's exactly cheap, especially if you've got 11 kids.

00:08:29.620 I can't imagine it's cheap to go post up a home in Texas for however long this process

00:08:34.800 will take.

00:08:36.060 So we're waiting to be accepted.

00:08:37.880 You actually have to apply to these transplant centers.

00:08:39.740 So we're hoping to hear something really soon because we have a lot of donors that have

00:08:43.680 reached out or potential donors that want to be tested to see if they can be Yulia's

00:08:47.580 match, but we can't send them to a medical center.

00:08:49.920 Duke has cut off our potential donors as well.

00:08:52.700 So we have to get a medical center set up so that they can go there and be tested for

00:08:57.600 Yulia.

00:08:58.200 Yes, it will be very expensive for us to have split ops.

00:09:01.480 That's why we had a friend set up a give, send, go for us.

00:09:04.520 So that's give, send, go.com backslash kidney for Yulia. 1.00

00:09:07.900 People have been so generous to us.

00:09:10.200 So many people have reached out to us.

00:09:12.060 And also, I just want to say too, that when we got the microphone, I don't know why we

00:09:16.540 got the microphone because there's a lot of people in the same situation, but we want

00:09:20.540 to use our microphone to help other people.

00:09:23.380 And so many families have reached out to us already.

00:09:25.700 We've been able to connect them, let them know which medical centers they need to reach

00:09:29.740 out to, to try to get their loved ones transplants as well.

00:09:32.520 So that's give, send, go.com slash kidney for Yulia with a Y, Y-U-L-I-A. 0.99

00:09:39.200 So people can go there to help out.

00:09:42.580 We also have a website, yuliagrace.com, and that's where people can contact us if they

00:09:47.080 want to be a potential donor or if they, you know, if there's other medical centers that

00:09:51.840 we're not aware of yet.

00:09:53.400 We are hoping this one in Florida works out, but we're still have to wait and see.

00:09:57.740 Well, that's good.

00:09:59.760 Obviously, people can go donate and pray.

00:10:03.240 Also, praying is always a good thing to do.

00:10:05.200 Ultimately, yes.

00:10:06.700 So that's how you can help in that situation.

00:10:10.920 There's something else that I want to do, though, which is I want to punish Duke for what

00:10:14.000 they're doing.

00:10:14.600 I think, actually, it's not enough just to help the people who have clearly been victimized

00:10:19.580 here, but you need to make sure that this is not permitted to continue into the future.

00:10:23.360 We were talking earlier on the show about retribution, and I think Duke deserves some serious justice

00:10:31.020 for their crimes here, okay?

00:10:32.840 And so from a political standpoint, how do we stop medical centers from doing this?

00:10:39.840 So we have retained a lawyer, Mike Yoder, and he is working that right now, punitive damages

00:10:45.680 to Duke.

00:10:46.820 And so that's where I'm going right now.

00:10:49.320 So that's what we're trying to do right now to help to hold Duke accountable for this

00:10:53.420 travesty, in my mind.

00:10:55.820 But people can call Duke if they want to as well and let their opinions be known.

00:10:59.420 But we just ask that there's no foul language used or any death threats.

00:11:03.100 We want to keep this civil.

00:11:05.120 But for Duke to understand that we're not alone.

00:11:07.680 There's other people in this country that also agree with what we're doing.

00:11:10.600 Right.

00:11:10.880 That is an important point.

00:11:12.940 You've got to make sure that when you engage in these political actions, you don't give

00:11:18.640 the leftists the opportunity to paint you as a terrorist or all the way that they ordinarily

00:11:25.100 talk about us.

00:11:26.140 Though conservatives don't really need to be told this.

00:11:28.580 I think conservatives generally know this, but it's always good to repeat.

00:11:32.180 Because I remember not that long ago here in Nashville, we discovered that Vanderbilt Children's

00:11:38.260 Hospital was performing transgender procedures on little kids.

00:11:43.200 And this is Tennessee, okay?

00:11:44.940 We're talking about a pretty red state here.

00:11:46.860 And we discovered this and we found out people just didn't really know about it.

00:11:51.240 And so we gathered a lot of information.

00:11:54.040 My colleague Matt Walsh has made the transgender issue something of a hobby horse of his and

00:11:58.600 had a big movie come out about it.

00:11:59.740 So he just published a Twitter thread with the research that The Daily Wire had compiled.

00:12:04.200 And the moment we shed a light on this, like within days, the Vanderbilt University just

00:12:11.540 caved because they didn't want.

00:12:12.860 And I just suspect if people in North Carolina, taxpayers, donors even to Duke medical, politicians

00:12:20.100 who have a lot to say about the conduct here, if they just knew that this was happening,

00:12:25.500 I cannot imagine how it would be tolerated for much longer.

00:12:30.160 I agree.

00:12:30.800 I agree with you.

00:12:31.440 We have had a couple of legislators reach out to us, but we've heard no more from them.

00:12:35.180 So I don't know.

00:12:36.040 I hope that something does happen that route as well.

00:12:39.200 How is your daughter doing through all of this?

00:12:42.060 She's doing amazing.

00:12:43.260 She, I said on other interviews too, she's the most amazing little girl.

00:12:46.440 She's been through so much in her life.

00:12:47.920 We're her third family in America.

00:12:49.920 I mean, she's been through so much, but she just pushes through with a smile on her face.

00:12:54.820 She's always happy, always wanting to help, so involved with all the other kids in the family.

00:12:59.780 I mean, she really is just an amazing person.

00:13:02.700 You mentioned that you were the third family.

00:13:05.480 How did you come to adopt her?

00:13:08.100 Well, that's a long story.

00:13:09.640 But, so the first family, I met them in Ukraine in 2018.

00:13:16.440 We adopted our first daughter from Ukraine.

00:13:19.940 And there was another family that adopted them here in North Carolina.

00:13:24.180 That didn't work out.

00:13:25.640 They sent her to Arizona to another family to potentially adopt her. 0.96

00:13:29.620 That didn't work out.

00:13:30.740 So they were on a plane back to North Carolina.

00:13:33.400 And the family here that had recently adopted her was not able to go pick them up at the airport.

00:13:39.360 So we did.

00:13:41.000 Because I knew who they were, her and her brother.

00:13:43.840 And so we picked them up at the airport.

00:13:45.740 And we thought we were going to be keeping them for a weekend just to kind of figure out what we were going to, you know,

00:13:49.580 who was going to adopt them or what we were going to do in the next steps.

00:13:52.300 And we ended up being the family that they ended up going to.

00:13:55.660 So we're very grateful for that.

00:13:58.460 I have total family-size envy right now.

00:14:01.620 You know, I got married.

00:14:03.180 We got started a little bit later.

00:14:04.620 I hope to catch up.

00:14:05.980 I think as just a matter of biology, I'm not quite sure we could get up to eight biological children,

00:14:11.840 though you've adopted as well.

00:14:13.540 Now, your family size is unusual by today's standards.

00:14:17.220 By historical standards, it's not.

00:14:18.580 But by modern liberal society standards, it certainly is.

00:14:22.460 What has impelled you to have such a large family?

00:14:25.180 God.

00:14:26.700 Simply answer, God.

00:14:28.360 Yeah.

00:14:28.760 It was never our plan to have a big family.

00:14:30.960 But my husband was military, and we traveled around the world.

00:14:34.140 And our oldest son kept praying for a brother, and they just kept coming.

00:14:37.880 So there we go.

00:14:39.280 Three girls, the four girls, and seven boys.

00:14:42.500 We wouldn't have it any other way, though.

00:14:43.960 Like, our life is crazy and chaotic and amazing and beautiful.

00:14:47.480 That is amazing.

00:14:49.000 And you mentioned your military service, so thank you for your service.

00:14:53.420 It even drives home the point further than it already was.

00:14:57.940 In political stories, sometimes the details are kind of complicated, and these are nuanced issues and questions.

00:15:05.720 And sometimes it's just pretty clear who the good guys are and the bad guys are.

00:15:12.600 And I mean, if you took this story to a Hollywood producer, and you said, hey, I got this story about a family, military veterans, you know, big loving family, adopted children, a poor little girl who needs a kidney transplant.

00:15:27.100 And then a bunch of doctors who, out of a vindictive, spiteful tyranny, are demanding that she inject herself with a dangerous drug or they won't give her her kidney. 0.97

00:15:41.040 And that's going to be the movie.

00:15:42.740 You know what the Hollywood producer would say?

00:15:44.040 The producer would say, come on, it's a little too on the nose.

00:15:46.560 Come on, let's make it a little more realistic here, okay?

00:15:49.580 But this is what's really happening to you.

00:15:52.300 It is.

00:15:52.800 It's what's really happening to us.

00:15:53.420 Absolutely.

00:15:53.760 This is real life.

00:15:54.660 Yeah.

00:15:55.000 Have other families...

00:15:55.620 We joke with Julia all the time that she should write her autobiography. 0.77

00:15:59.900 So maybe she'll actually get that out of this.

00:16:01.980 Right.

00:16:02.180 She's a ferocious reader, and she does write books.

00:16:04.880 Yeah.

00:16:05.400 You mentioned other families who are in a similar position.

00:16:09.140 Have any of them reached out to you as a result of the publicity that you're going to do?

00:16:12.140 Yes, there's one little boy who's only two years old in South Carolina, and they will not give him a transplant either without the vaccine, which is unconscionable to me.

00:16:20.860 He's two years old.

00:16:22.340 I've been talking to that grandfather a lot.

00:16:24.380 We were trying to get him to another medical institute, and he's trying to fight the tyranny down there in South Carolina as well.

00:16:30.400 I didn't even know the vaccine was approved for two-year-olds, much less that they would mandate it.

00:16:36.860 I know.

00:16:37.240 Right.

00:16:37.800 It's horrific.

00:16:39.160 I think the CDC is now recommending down to six months old for this vaccine.

00:16:44.600 Six?

00:16:45.120 Which is unconscionable.

00:16:46.320 Yeah.

00:16:46.820 That's unconscionable to me.

00:16:47.900 I can't believe that.

00:16:49.600 What's amazing about it, too, I mean, you say that, obviously, you're a religious family.

00:16:54.820 God is at the center of so much that has happened in your family.

00:17:00.500 But humility is the beginning of wisdom.

00:17:03.740 Fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom.

00:17:05.780 And you would just think that after two years of the experts in the lab coats being proven wrong,

00:17:14.380 and in some cases being proven to have lied about and to have been negligent about this virus and this vaccine repeatedly,

00:17:26.060 time and time again, on the safety, on the efficacy, on the way that the technology would even work,

00:17:33.800 on what the virus is, on where the virus came from, on how to stop getting the virus,

00:17:38.400 on just every single thing about it.

00:17:42.220 They might have just a little bit of humility and loosen their grip and their demands just a little bit.

00:17:48.360 But it seems that it's only gone in the opposite direction.

00:17:50.540 It seems that they've only clamped down even further.

00:17:53.760 Yeah.

00:17:54.100 I really feel like it's a power struggle at this point.

00:17:56.680 Like, they want their way, and we're not going to do it.

00:18:00.220 So then they're going to withhold what we need.

00:18:01.860 Have you raised a significant amount of money yet to be able to afford going to Texas or Florida?

00:18:09.360 Yes, we really have.

00:18:10.500 People have been very much, I mean, we're overwhelmed by the generosity of perfect strangers.

00:18:16.680 And the words of encouragement that have come to us, it's been amazing.

00:18:20.120 There have been some nasty comments, but I would say it's 10 to 1 in support of us.

00:18:23.980 Of course, I can't even imagine who the nasty comments are from.

00:18:26.560 Maybe it's just Dr. Fauci with his pseudonymous accounts or something, you know.

00:18:29.700 A lot of times they don't give their real email.

00:18:31.900 It's just like a made-up email, and there's a lot of foul language, you know.

00:18:35.240 But we just delete it and move on.

00:18:37.440 Of course, of course.

00:18:38.780 That's all that one can really do.

00:18:40.480 I mean, I just think from the beginning, especially of this whole COVID operation,

00:18:45.920 there has been this concerted effort, not only to force people to comply with their absurd demands,

00:18:52.700 but to discourage people.

00:18:54.820 But to say, you can never beat us.

00:18:57.180 We've got all of the power.

00:18:58.500 We've got all of the cards.

00:18:59.380 And, you know, that's so much about what you will comply, I think, ultimately came down to,

00:19:05.060 is that there were people who didn't, had religious objections to the vaccine,

00:19:08.860 who just knew because they had good guts and common sense that there was probably something

00:19:13.460 a little bit weird about this experimental drug that was concocted in five minutes

00:19:17.220 and didn't undergo any long-term trials.

00:19:20.300 But because they, you know, they just didn't want to, they couldn't lose their job.

00:19:24.560 Some people, they just couldn't lose their job, or they couldn't say no,

00:19:26.760 or they were in the military, or they can't, for whatever reason, they just went,

00:19:30.560 because they fell into discouragement.

00:19:32.180 You have not been discouraged.

00:19:34.020 It's all the Lord.

00:19:35.100 Like, we really just are leading on God, and he's carrying us through this.

00:19:39.100 We joke that we never know what our life is going to be from day to day,

00:19:42.860 and it kind of just blew up in the last week.

00:19:45.360 But we really feel like we are doing what is right and good, and we'll just keep clinging to that.

00:19:51.580 Wonderful.

00:19:52.240 Absolutely wonderful.

00:19:53.500 You, I'm pleased to see, have not been discouraged.

00:19:56.360 And your story is a great encouragement to a lot, a lot of other people,

00:20:01.020 because everyone's been up against some pressure during the COVID regime.

00:20:07.960 Very few people have been up against the kind of pressure that you were up against,

00:20:10.960 and you've stood firm, and people have come out to help, and people are standing with you.

00:20:15.120 So please, head on over if you are so inclined.

00:20:17.440 It's the end of year.

00:20:18.280 This is when people start, you know, writing checks anyway before New Year's Eve.

00:20:22.100 So head on over to GiveSendGo.com.

00:20:27.400 So it's GiveSendGo.com backslash Kidney4Ulia.

00:20:32.380 Kidney4Ulia.

00:20:34.760 Lee, Chrissy, thank you both for coming on the show.

00:20:37.360 We'll keep you in our prayers and hope to see a happy outcome sooner rather than later.

00:20:43.420 Thank you so much, and thanks for telling our story.

00:20:45.960 Of course.

00:20:46.600 I'm Michael Knowles.

00:20:47.200 This is The Michael Knowles Show.

00:20:48.080 We'll see you next time.

The Michael Knowles Show - December 27, 2022

Unvaccinated Child Denied Organ Transplant ｜ FULL INTERVIEW Chrissy and Lee Hicks

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