The Michael Knowles Show - What Happened to Liz Wheeler？

00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, Michael here. You know, I just sat down with my very good friend, Liz Wheeler.

00:00:04.740 You probably know Liz Wheeler from her TV show that she hosted for a very long time. Then she 1.00

00:00:08.880 disappeared. Where did she go? Well, she went out and had a kid. Now she is back. She's got a great

00:00:15.160 new show, The Liz Wheeler Show. We talked about everything under the sun and this new project

00:00:19.380 she's working on. Take a listen. If you are anything like me, you miss Liz Wheeler. I have

00:00:33.460 missed my friend, Liz Wheeler, lo these many months. And I, you know, I actually got to see her. I don't

00:00:41.240 know. I'm not, not that long ago. You probably have not seen her in quite a while. Where has she gone?

00:00:47.220 Was she abducted by the UFOs that we're told are soaring through our skies? We have the answers

00:00:53.480 right now. Liz Wheeler joining the show. Liz, thank you for being here. Michael, thank you so much. It

00:00:59.540 wasn't the UFOs actually. It was a combined effort from the woke CIA and the Russian intelligence

00:01:05.260 service that got me. I want to get into them. I want to get into them a little bit later because

00:01:09.340 you, I guess you have some serious insight here and I'm really scarred having watched those recent

00:01:14.100 commercials. But you were, you were hosting a TV show, the bell of the ball, the talk of the town.

00:01:21.000 You were everywhere in public, anywhere I would go, I would see you. And then you disappeared.

00:01:26.840 What happened? Well, as you know, I was hosting a TV show and I then had a baby. It's actually,

00:01:34.600 so our babies, by the way, I believe were born two days apart, right? That's right.

00:01:38.040 Two days apart, our babies were born. They're now betrothed, I think.

00:01:40.900 A little arranged marriage between our children. See, yeah, this is the difference. So I stopped

00:01:45.700 to have a baby, gave birth. My body's amazing. This, my new show, which I think we're going to

00:01:51.700 talk about, has been in the works the whole time. So behind the scenes during pregnancy. And I took

00:01:57.060 a brief eight hour break during labor and delivery to stop planning the new show. But it's been in

00:02:02.120 the works since, for over a year now, it's been in the works. Really, really excited to get it going.

00:02:06.800 Liz, can I confirm this phrase, my body is amazing? Is that the tagline of the show? The

00:02:13.260 Liz Wheeler show, my body is amazing? Because that was going to be my tagline when we launched this

00:02:17.180 show. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, that's, but it actually is amazing. You were hosting the show. You

00:02:23.120 were quite pregnant while you were hosting the TV show. Eventually, you know, it's time to get ready,

00:02:29.180 have the kid, spend a little bit of time with your kid, you know, and now you're,

00:02:32.600 you're moving into this great new venture. I have long thought that you should go digital. I've long

00:02:38.960 thought that you, you know, you would be just great manning a podcast. You're terrific on research.

00:02:45.260 You're terrific on opinion. And if I, if I repeat your line, if I say your body's amazing, then I'm

00:02:51.100 going to get in trouble with my wife. So I'm going to leave that aside for the moment. But seriously,

00:02:54.960 this has been a long time in the making and the show is just out.

00:02:59.220 Yes. Yes. This is what I've wanted to do for a really long time. And it's sort of the natural

00:03:04.580 next step, right? It's the natural next step because the conservative movement as a whole

00:03:09.000 is craving bold leadership. You know, the last, the last four, five, six years have shown us that.

00:03:15.100 And it's not just bold leadership in politics. They crave bold leadership in their thought leaders,

00:03:19.780 in their news, in their media, in their opinion, in their research. They want somebody who isn't going

00:03:25.520 to back down to corporate wokeism or cultural Marxism or teachers unions or AOC or big tech or

00:03:32.260 leftists in Congress or mask mandates, what have you. And that's what we're going to do on the Liz

00:03:38.280 Wheeler show, right? It's a more personal connection than I've ever had before with my audience, which

00:03:43.260 is great. I've been wanting to do that for a really long time. It's a more personal connection.

00:03:47.680 We are going to provide my sort of trademark research, deep dive into all these topics,

00:03:52.660 make sure that the facts are in order and then draw conclusions from the facts, meaning offer my

00:03:58.140 opinion on what we should do based on the reality. That's the other part of my show that I think is

00:04:03.100 really important and different than anybody else's. We're sort of in this era that we're beyond the

00:04:08.180 question of, is this true and is this false? We're beyond an argument about whether someone's lying or

00:04:14.700 whether someone's being honest. We are now in a point where we're defending reality, where we have to

00:04:19.380 be champions of reality because what the left is offering us isn't just lies. It isn't just

00:04:24.280 ignorance. It's outright delusion. So on the Liz Wheeler show, we're going to do it all. It's a more

00:04:28.820 personal connection. We're going to provide the research. We're going to hold politicians

00:04:32.660 accountable. We are going to play offense in this culture war because politics is downstream of 0.55

00:04:37.740 culture. If we lose the culture, don't even bother playing politics, right? And I mean, it's going to be

00:04:42.900 great. I'm so excited. So this point you've hit on is very important. The reality issue because

00:04:49.980 obviously two different sides in a body politic can have different visions of where to go. And

00:04:57.800 to some degree, people are always going to be interpreting the world in perhaps slightly

00:05:02.500 different ways. They're going to see things from a different angle. But what we're seeing now from the

00:05:06.640 modern left is a little more than that. It's not just, well, you see it this way and I see it that way.

00:05:12.260 It is, you see it this way and I deny objective truth. And you see it this way and I think that

00:05:18.460 actually reality can just be constructed by whatever words that I use or fantasies that I have. And I

00:05:24.720 don't think I'm straw manning the argument here. I think that is the explicit claim of many of the

00:05:29.640 leftist ideologies that developed in the 20th century. So how are we supposed to fight that?

00:05:34.440 If we fight that with facts and logic, they're going to say, who cares about your facts and logic?

00:05:38.520 Well, it's actually worse than that. It's not just a matter of this is objective truth.

00:05:42.240 Which is reality. And the left wants to deny that reality. They then want to force you to

00:05:48.180 abandon reality and force you to echo their delusion. So we're even a step further than just,

00:05:52.900 okay, you want to pretend you're Santa Claus? Like, go for it. You can deny reality. No one cares

00:05:56.620 what you're doing. It's when they try to impose that on us. But I mean, conservatives in general

00:06:02.020 have a good fighting spirit, right? We're happy warriors. However, we are conservatives. The name

00:06:07.280 conservative implies that we are trying to conserve something, that we are playing defense. And I think

00:06:11.060 that that in general has been a tactical error against this adversary and this adversary being

00:06:16.800 the radical left. We've played defense for so long. So since the 1960s, you know, we've lost control of

00:06:22.720 many of the institutions that form the backbone of our moral society, right? Whether it's the family,

00:06:27.940 whether it's traditional marriage, whether it's the public school system, whether it's Hollywood,

00:06:31.440 movies, books, entertainment, music. We have surrendered these institutions to the left because we

00:06:37.360 haven't played offense. We've tried to play defense and we've ended up sort of defending the one yard

00:06:42.280 line and acquiescing inch by inch until, you know, we topple over into the other team's end zone here.

00:06:49.640 And we can't be playing like that anymore. We have to be actively fighting back. We have to identify

00:06:54.300 these dangerous things, this ideology that the left is trying to impose on us through our culture,

00:07:00.220 through our schools, through our government. And we have to deconstruct that and reclaim our country.

00:07:04.760 You know, I totally agree. And the fact that we've lost the institutions, notably the universities,

00:07:10.120 is really awful. What drives me crazy though, with these conservatives is they will, they'll,

00:07:15.840 out of one side of their mouth, they'll say, we've lost to the radical neo-Marxists. They've taken over,

00:07:22.200 they're poisoning our children's minds. And then out of the other side of their mouth, they'll say,

00:07:25.820 and because of academic freedom, we can never kick them out of the schools.

00:07:29.120 And you say, wait, hold on. Wait, what would you, well, they're, these guys, they're spreading lies.

00:07:34.620 They're undermining our students' understanding of reason and truth. But because of freedom of

00:07:40.160 speech, we can never tell them that they shouldn't say that. And you say, well, guys, are you serious

00:07:44.240 or not? Are you actually, are you going to go in there and boot out the wackos? I'm thinking of 1.00

00:07:49.880 Nicole Hannah-Jones, this 1619 Project fabulist. She's not a journalist. She's a fabulist

00:07:56.360 whose central thesis was, was wrong. It was based on a lie. She doesn't have a, it was wrong.

00:08:02.040 And she admitted it was wrong. The Times admitted it was wrong. She doesn't have a PhD. She, which

00:08:07.240 is, you know, if you're going to get a tenure track job, I'm not one for credentialism, but

00:08:11.140 people have PhDs if you get tenure track. She's denied this. And there, there have actually been

00:08:15.700 some squishes on the right coming to her defense and saying this woman should have been at UNC. 0.99

00:08:21.880 With fighters like that, you know, who needs leftists?

00:08:25.120 Well, right. I mean, that's, that's part of what we're going to do on the show is, I mean,

00:08:28.800 not only do we not have room for squishes and radical leftists and cultural Marxists,

00:08:33.660 we don't have room for squish Republicans either. You know, if you don't have that fire in your belly

00:08:37.720 to not just stand and defend verbally what you believe, but actually identify the threats to our

00:08:44.440 cultural institutions and say, okay, if you're going to violate our freedom, we're going to vote you out.

00:08:49.260 If you're going to stifle a student's free speech, we're going to, you know, levy a campaign

00:08:54.420 to make sure you're not the president of the university anymore. If you're not ready to go

00:08:57.780 on offense, then, you know, it's fine. Some people just don't have that in them. I'm not trying to

00:09:01.920 say that everyone has to be on the, be a culture warrior on the forefront of each one of these

00:09:05.940 battlefronts. But if you don't just have the humility to admit that and step aside and let those

00:09:10.000 of us who do have that fire in our belly fight this fight, because I mean, Michael, this is what you

00:09:13.980 and I do. Yeah, I certainly think so. I mean, you know, look, I, I want to say in all humility for

00:09:20.540 anyone who's in politics or media, that it's not the same thing as going out and taking bullets.

00:09:25.680 You know, it's not the same thing as going out and fighting literal wars. However, I just watched

00:09:31.020 what you alluded to at the beginning. I just watched an ad from the CIA. CIA was this woman. She says,

00:09:36.820 I'm a intersectional Latina, proud feminist woman. I said, what the hell? This is what James Bond 0.98

00:09:44.580 became. And then I saw there was an ad for the army and the army ad, it was this woman who says,

00:09:49.860 you know, I was raised at the pride parades of my lesbian mothers and that's how I'm going to fight 0.96

00:09:55.920 the wars. And I think, but what, you know, Putin, are you just, are you listening? Are you just going

00:10:00.120 to invade now? Are you going to come right across the Bering Strait or something? And then actually it

00:10:04.660 was juxtaposed with an ad from the Russian army. And it was these macho men like,

00:10:09.420 they're all holding guns and firing. And I think, do they know what the purpose of a,

00:10:15.960 of a military is? Well, I'm, I'm pretty sure that Putin's not laughing at that CIA ad. I'm

00:10:23.000 pretty sure Putin wrote that CIA ad. Because if I were our adversaries, I mean, if I were Putin,

00:10:28.860 I would give his whole intelligence community the day off because they're not going to need to come,

00:10:32.620 they're not going to need to come fully prepared to defeat that kind of CIA.

00:10:35.820 Well, I, you know, I, I was wondering with the, I mean, you're, you're probably right. It's all,

00:10:39.680 it's all a big op from, you know, the Kremlin or something or China, but assuming that, look,

00:10:46.480 we can laugh at these ads. These ads are really terrible and it's, it makes you feel sort of ashamed

00:10:52.260 that this is where we're putting our priorities and our resources here in promoting.

00:10:56.180 And our tax money and our, and our tax dollars. Uh, but you know, some of the brass in the

00:11:02.220 military, some of the top dogs in the CIA, they approved this stuff. They think that this is going

00:11:10.240 to serve America's national security interests. They might have perverse views of it, but what is,

00:11:15.800 what is the thought process here? I mean, what, what on earth would possess our,

00:11:20.240 our military to, to put out this image to the world? Well, I think we've heard that if you

00:11:26.340 listen very closely to what these radical leftists that Joe Biden has surrounded himself with are

00:11:30.880 saying, they don't define words with reality anymore. They define words with delusion. So you

00:11:36.720 and I think national security interests, and we think, okay, well, we want to make sure that our life,

00:11:41.000 liberty, and our ability to pursue happiness is secured. We want to make sure that physically we're

00:11:44.880 safe. We want to make sure our adversaries are at bay, et cetera, et cetera. No, they,

00:11:48.840 they look at our country and they say, racism is a public health crisis. Yeah. So, okay. Okay.

00:11:56.580 Racism is a public health crisis. So first of all, it's, it can be argued. And I would argue that

00:12:00.860 racism is not, is not institutional. We actually don't have systemic racism in our nation anymore.

00:12:05.600 We have advanced beyond that. We have fought that we have defeated it. Sure. There's instances of

00:12:10.220 individual racism, which should always be condemned. And there is, there is institutional racism in the

00:12:16.780 form of affirmative action, right? That's a, that's a law in this country through institutions

00:12:21.740 that says that Asian and white students are at a disadvantage and black and Hispanic students are

00:12:26.520 at an advantage. That's not what they're talking about though. No, that's not what they're talking

00:12:30.400 about. That's not what they're talking about. Although that is true when it comes to Asian American 1.00

00:12:33.900 students trying to get into the Ivy League schools, especially your alma mater, I believe.

00:12:39.100 Yeah. But no, I mean, it's, it's completely nuts when they redefine these things. So now we're

00:12:44.000 talking about a public health emergency and they're saying racism is a public health emergency or

00:12:50.840 climate change is a national security threat. I mean, they are trying to erase reality and replace

00:12:56.060 it with their delusion. And we, again, we can't just say, oh, you're nutty and laugh at them. We should 0.98

00:13:01.720 because they're eminently ridiculous. Of course we should laugh at them, but we should also identify, 0.98

00:13:06.680 well, who exactly is approving this? Is this something that's coming from the White House?

00:13:10.280 Is this something that's coming from a certain, you know, administrative agency? Is this something

00:13:14.280 that's approved on what level of the military or where in the CIA? We should identify where this

00:13:18.820 is coming so that the people, the American people, this isn't even a split along party lines.

00:13:24.680 This is not a Republican versus a Democrat issue. This is a thinking person versus a nutty person

00:13:29.960 viewpoint. Most of our country think that this woke crap, excuse my French, is garbage. 1.00

00:13:35.940 Most people, it doesn't matter if you're a Democrat, they still think that there are only 1.00

00:13:39.800 two genders. They still think that the CIA and the military should be fighting forces, 0.92

00:13:43.880 not cisgender, intersectional, feminist, Black Lives Matter t-shirt wearing, you know, nut jobs, 1.00

00:13:49.520 right? So, I mean, it's a matter of saying, okay, this is reality. Please join us on the side and

00:13:54.300 let's make sure that those who are perpetuating delusion don't have the power to do so anymore.

00:13:58.640 But why is it, I agree with all that. Why is it that the institutions,

00:14:03.960 you know, not just some blue haired lunatic on some, you know, middle tier college campus,

00:14:09.240 but the actual corporations, the bureaucracy, the administrative government, whatever,

00:14:16.520 why are they adopting? What is the interest of Coca-Cola or Delta in adopting the crazy woke 0.93

00:14:24.320 ideology of some stoner freshman at Wesleyan?

00:14:28.880 Well, Delta, I think it's obvious, right? Weren't they getting tax breaks? And weren't

00:14:33.420 there tax breaks? Weren't they getting special treatment via crony capitalism? And wasn't that

00:14:37.600 threatened given the current administration? I mean, sometimes those who run these corporations

00:14:42.460 are just individually woke, right? Sometimes their workforce is woke and their workforce puts

00:14:46.680 pressure on them. Sometimes, and this I believe, I would speculate, is more often the case. Sometimes

00:14:52.700 they have political interests that are benefiting their business that are threatened if they don't

00:14:58.120 count out to what the politicians who have control over those benefits want, right? And like I said,

00:15:03.240 Delta is a perfect example of that. They didn't want to lose their tax breaks. So they, so they decided

00:15:08.320 to go woke. I don't know if that's going to help their business or not. In the case of Nike, I believe

00:15:12.000 it did help their business. Delta, I hope it doesn't.

00:15:14.700 Yeah, I certainly hope it does. Or woke a cola or any of the other ones. It's just so strange

00:15:20.380 because the other day, some wacko posted and said that the American university is a right-wing

00:15:28.420 institution. And in a sense, you know, I think of myself as a conservative. So I want to, I'm not

00:15:34.720 inherently opposed to institutions or, you know, obviously not to traditions and rituals, but it just

00:15:42.020 seems like all the power centers in the country, it's, you know, big business. How, for how long

00:15:47.340 did Republicans shill for big business? But they're opposed to what we want to do. The CIA, gosh, how

00:15:53.580 long did the Republicans defend the CIA? The CIA seems as leftist as it gets now. The FBI seems to

00:15:59.500 have been infiltrated as well. So to what degree are we conservatives actually trying not to conserve

00:16:07.760 what's going on right now? Are we trying to actually change things? Right. Well, this is,

00:16:12.520 this is a good point. And we talk about this on episodes of my show this week. We talk about the

00:16:16.220 administrative state because Donald Trump famously came to Washington, D.C. promising to drain the

00:16:20.080 swamp, right? That was a message that appealed across the, across the political aisle. Republicans

00:16:24.920 and Democrats wanted politicians who'd been in office for too long, who were slimy and dishonest and

00:16:30.040 just benefiting themselves to be fired, to be kicked out of Washington, D.C., to no longer be in power.

00:16:34.540 Donald Trump promised to do that. And he promised to do that in good faith. And he did his best to

00:16:38.240 a certain extent. The problem is it's not something that one person, no matter if they're the president

00:16:42.980 of the United States, can get rid of. And you have to look at why. You have to travel back in history

00:16:46.860 and say, well, where did we get this idea of these bloated administrative agencies packed with

00:16:52.880 powerful bureaucrats who are among the highest paid bureaucrats in the entire federal government,

00:16:58.260 meaning Anthony Fauci has paid more than the president of the United States. He's the highest paid federal

00:17:02.500 employee out of all four million federal employees. No joke. You can look this research up yourself.

00:17:07.880 We have to ask ourselves, where did this come from? And the answer is twofold. First of all,

00:17:12.260 it came from a Congress who allowed, who legislated their own power away from them. They don't want to

00:17:17.380 take responsibility for making rules. So they pass these vague laws and leave it, leave the rulemaking,

00:17:23.840 meaning defining the vagueness in the legislation that Congress passes. They leave that. They defer to

00:17:28.680 these administrative agencies who then have this power that should be conserved just for the

00:17:33.520 legislature. Right? So that's the first thing. Congress is cowardly. They don't want to take a

00:17:38.040 stance on anything. And so they defer to federal agencies. The second thing is we allowed throughout

00:17:43.300 the last hundred years, you know, from Woodrow Wilson to LBJ to FDR, we allowed the federal government

00:17:49.220 to become this bloated apparatus. We allowed Supreme Court precedents that didn't defer to administrative

00:17:54.520 agencies to now defer to administrative agencies. And so to get rid of this in order to actually drain

00:18:00.060 the swamp, we have to undo the damage that has been done in the last hundred years. That's not

00:18:04.240 playing defense, Michael. That's playing offense. Republicans must go on offense and actively

00:18:08.720 unravel and unwind so that we can recover and reclaim that which made our idea of limited government

00:18:15.400 great. I love it. You know, you brought up this great point, too, of how a lot of these issues are

00:18:21.180 not exactly Republican versus Democrat, left versus right. There seems to be this,

00:18:25.560 just this ruling class. There's like the ruling class party. And then there are the people who are

00:18:31.240 not exactly the ruling class. And you see it play out in the divide between, say, Liz Cheney and 1.00

00:18:37.740 the Republicans. You know, Liz Cheney seemed, and look, a lot of her voting record was fairly

00:18:43.720 conservative, but really when it counted on important political issues, she would side with the liberal

00:18:49.960 ruling class. And then even more offensively, she would spend a lot of her time just attacking 1.00

00:18:55.400 Republicans. And where would she attack Republicans? In the dominant ruling class newspapers, 1.00

00:19:01.060 in the Washington Post, on the mainstream news networks, at CNN, wherever. Now, obviously,

00:19:07.020 Republicans booted Liz Cheney out finally. It took them long enough. But if the Republicans can't even

00:19:12.700 get their house in order, if the conservatives don't even control the Republican party, the one

00:19:17.880 putatively conservative party in the country, then what hope is there for us?

00:19:23.540 Well, that's the thing. I mean, these Republicans who are establishment Republicans, the ones that I

00:19:27.740 would call squishes, you know, whether it be Mitt Romney, whether it be Liz Cheney. I mean, I don't

00:19:32.140 know if they just don't understand that the popular kids in the mainstream media don't actually like

00:19:36.680 them. They're just using them as pawns. They don't actually want to be your friend. They don't actually

00:19:40.340 respect your viewpoint. The mainstream media and the leftists that control the mainstream media

00:19:44.480 just like to purport the narrative that the Republican party is fractured, right?

00:19:48.220 And we're always, Michael, the Republican party is always going to have more individual thought

00:19:52.900 than the Democratic party. We're never going to walk in lockstep the way the Democrats do,

00:19:57.040 because the idea of limited government, the idea of individual liberties and freedoms,

00:20:01.580 is to allow people to think differently, to allow people to live differently.

00:20:05.700 I mean, it's essentially the party of independent thought. So you're going to have free thinkers

00:20:09.620 who are courageous enough to contradict, you know, the people that are leading the party.

00:20:13.620 That's always going to happen. It's not even necessarily a bad thing in and of itself.

00:20:17.260 You just have to be ready to say, nope, you're wrong. This is what the party is going to do.

00:20:20.980 But you can't allow the mainstream media to purport this narrative that we are a fractured party,

00:20:25.320 that we're going, you know, that we're going to break apart, that we don't know what we stand for.

00:20:29.100 Like, no, the mainstream media wants you to think that. And they're using these

00:20:32.020 squished Republicans to paint a false picture.

00:20:34.860 No, that's a great point. And, you know, you are quite insightful on a great many topics,

00:20:39.720 but especially with the media, you've got a really keen view. And it's true. I mean,

00:20:43.940 as much as I want to boot the Liz Cheney types out of GOP leadership, it is the case that the media 1.00

00:20:50.680 has an interest here in splitting up the Republican Party so that we don't win in 2022 or 2024 or whenever.

00:20:56.920 Now, I've got to get to a topic that, look, you know, this is important, the parties and the

00:21:03.500 elections, power and whatever. The UFOs, Liz, I want to know. You disappeared at a very convenient

00:21:11.340 time. Now you've just reappeared, you know, all of a sudden when all these little saucers and

00:21:16.300 tic-tacs and things are flying around. What do you know?

00:21:19.640 You can't see my spaceship in the frame, right? I can see sort of the little green antennae coming

00:21:26.940 up there behind your hair. No, I pinned that with a hair clip. I pinned it to my IFB.

00:21:31.620 What do I think of it in all seriousness? I told you.

00:21:34.620 Is it just an op? Is this like a fake thing? What is it?

00:21:37.220 I've been texting all my friends in the DOD. I've been texting all my friends in the national

00:21:40.740 security community. What do you know? Tell me your secrets. And disappointingly, to their credit,

00:21:46.500 they've not released much classified information to me, much. My speculation, this is purely

00:21:52.840 speculation because who's not interested in this, right? You see those videos and you're like,

00:21:56.460 whoa, they're coming for us. My speculation is that it's probably not aliens. It's probably not.

00:22:03.520 My speculation is that it's either military surveillance that we're not being told about

00:22:08.360 because, you know, I mean, there are times that even training operations, you know, you turn on,

00:22:13.260 you turn on your stealth type of settings and you show up differently on radar screens. That happens.

00:22:19.100 There's also sometimes not physical objects that are used for surveillance. Like some of these

00:22:23.400 things, it wouldn't surprise me if it's more like hologram type technology. That's what I actually

00:22:27.660 think a lot of it is because that would allow it to move, you know, beyond the scope of our technology,

00:22:33.840 right? To defy gravity, to not have acceleration and breaking periods, to be able to go up and down

00:22:38.260 side to side. That kind of stuff, almost like projections or holograms. I haven't heard a lot

00:22:42.860 of people talking about that, but I'd be interested in the experts' advice on that.

00:22:46.880 What's, and you know, as outlandish as that might sound, if the alternative is little green men coming 1.00

00:22:51.920 from Venus, you know, then it sounds a little more, that's right. That's right. I know, I agree. And

00:22:57.340 there is also, you always have to wonder. Wait, do you think it's aliens?

00:23:01.380 I don't. I'm very, this is my least popular opinion. I don't think that there is any reason

00:23:07.680 to believe that any life exists whatsoever outside of the earth. I'm not saying it doesn't.

00:23:13.820 I'm not saying definitively it doesn't, but I just, you always hear people, one, everyone wants

00:23:18.460 there to be aliens because it's kind of fun and interesting. But two, you'll always hear people

00:23:21.720 say, well, that Michael, the universe is so big. So it's just a matter of probability that there's

00:23:27.540 life on other planets. And I think, well, you know, to ascertain a probability, you need to know

00:23:32.940 literally anything about the subject, but about the subject of how life is, we don't, we don't,

00:23:38.900 we just don't know anything. We have no idea about the scientific origins of life. So, you know,

00:23:44.540 until we know something about that, I, I can't venture a probability of if there's life on Pluto

00:23:49.320 or something. No, I mean, as Catholics, it's compatible with Catholic theology. You know,

00:23:53.560 with God, all things are possible. He created us. He could create other life. Sure. But I agree

00:23:57.740 that there's a difference between could be possible, certainly, versus have evidence that it is. Yeah.

00:24:03.960 Have evidence that it is. And to my knowledge, there is no evidence, right? It's just people's

00:24:07.780 speculation. No, and the tic-tacs and the little, you know, tic-tacs that someday we'll find out is

00:24:12.260 Xi Jinping playing video games. I'm just like, maybe your oxygen mask was on a little loose that day.

00:24:16.300 Yeah, that's true. That's, I know. We'll see. Although all this denial sure sounds like something

00:24:21.260 an alien would say. Oh, well. We'll leave that for the audience to decide. Liz. I mean,

00:24:28.360 it is a little bit like an alien, right? When you grow another human in your body.

00:24:32.120 That is. And I don't know. I mean, I, thankfully, you know, my wife had a very tough time of it. She

00:24:36.960 had a C-section and, but that all the more so even the natural birth is sort of like that,

00:24:42.180 you know, reaching out and the kind of like in the movies and everything. I don't know. Thankfully,

00:24:46.400 I was behind the screen, so I didn't have to see it. I am, I am genuinely very, very excited about

00:24:52.620 your show. I have, I'm not flattering. I am not, you know, just saying this, you know, out of

00:24:58.740 nowhere. I have missed you in the public discourse and I'm glad you're back. And I know the show is

00:25:04.100 going to be a smash. It is the Liz Wheeler show. Where can people find it? Thank you so much,

00:25:08.820 Michael. I appreciate that. And you do actually have to say that because you know that I'll text you

00:25:12.000 to ask you obsessively about the episodes if you don't. People can go to Liz, Liz Wheeler show.com.

00:25:18.240 Please subscribe. Please give me five-star reviews. Please actually write a review because in order

00:25:23.100 to climb up the charts and beat Michael on iTunes, we need those five-star ratings. We need those

00:25:28.660 reviews. We need those subscriptions and we're having a ton of fun. So go to Liz Wheeler show.com.

00:25:33.280 And if they, let's say someone just, you know, they don't do URLs. What is this? The nineties

00:25:38.040 people go have a browser. So they're on, they can get it just on Apple podcast. Just search

00:25:41.940 Liz Wheeler show. Yeah, definitely. And that's what Liz Wheeler show.com takes you to all the

00:25:45.540 different podcast platforms, but you can go to anywhere that you get your pods and you'll find

00:25:48.940 it. Yep. Spotify. It's on YouTube. Yep. It's on YouTube. It's on Spotify. They haven't kicked

00:25:54.780 you off yet. For now. On Apple podcasts, anywhere that you listen to podcasts, we will be there.

00:26:00.220 It's on Rumble. It's on YouTube. Right. Rumble. These are like, they're all these new things. I don't

00:26:05.000 know. It's on MySpace. It's on LiveJournal. It's on Zanga. It's on Instant Messenger. It's on a lot of

00:26:10.500 places. Liz, before we go, by the way, everybody go subscribe, go check out the show, leave a five

00:26:16.400 star review. And, and then if it turns out that Liz is an alien, we're going to, we'll have to

00:26:22.300 recalibrate. Okay. We'll have to, but we're, you're going to be talking about lots of aliens,

00:26:26.840 aliens from outer space. You'll be talking about aliens from Guatemala and Nicaragua and issues at

00:26:32.220 the Southern border. You'll be talking about all, all manner of public policy issues on the show.

00:26:36.320 So everything. Everything. Thank you. Liz, so good to be with you. See you soon. Thank you, Michael.

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The Michael Knowles Show - May 29, 2021

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