The Mikhaila Peterson Podcast - 117. Top Carnivore Diet Doctor Tips ｜ Ken Berry

00:00:00.000 I think a lot of people also have been sick for so long that they don't understand what it feels

00:00:04.660 like to be healthy. Absolutely agree. It's, it's human nature to get used to where we're at.

00:00:10.060 Yeah. Right. And I, and so you see this on both sides of the coin when somebody's miserable every

00:00:15.260 day, I didn't realize how good I could feel without pain and rosacea and severe heartburn

00:00:21.840 and Dunlap. Do you know what Dunlap is Michaela here in the South? It sounds horrifying. It is.

00:00:28.060 It's when your belly is done lapped over your belt.

00:00:31.480 That's a Southernism that we say here, and that means you're fat.

00:00:34.960 I didn't realize how miserable I was until I corrected all those things.

00:00:42.880 Welcome to episode 117 of the Michaela Peterson podcast,

00:00:47.760 featuring the one and only Dr. Ken Berry.

00:00:50.800 Dr. Berry is a doctor who specializes in the carnivore diet and keto diets.

00:00:55.340 He's incredibly knowledgeable.

00:00:56.480 one of the most knowledgeable doctors in this area that exists out there. And his last name

00:01:02.280 is Barry, so that's funny. We talk about lies we've been told about health and how to transition

00:01:07.460 to a healthy lifestyle. This guy is the best-selling author of Lies My Doctor Told Me,

00:01:12.520 and I support what he does. I'm also slowly convincing him to try the lion diet.

00:01:18.200 If you want to learn about how to get healthier in a way that actually works,

00:01:21.720 check this episode out. If you enjoy it, please hit subscribe.

00:01:35.200 Dr. Ken Berry, welcome to my podcast. Hey, Michaela. Thank you so much.

00:01:40.540 I feel like the last time we spoke, I did a live on your Facebook or something like that.

00:01:45.760 Yeah, I think we did live maybe on YouTube and Facebook. And that's been a minute though. It's

00:01:50.900 about time for us to converse again. Yes. So before we get started, for anyone who doesn't

00:01:57.380 know you, can you give a brief background about who you are and what it is you do?

00:02:00.860 Sure. I'm Dr. Ken Berry. I'm a family physician, classically trained in allopathic medicine.

00:02:07.660 Been in active practice for about 21 years now. And I have a YouTube channel that I'm trying to

00:02:15.980 grow. I've got Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, all the things. I'm even on TikToker. You on TikTok,

00:02:20.600 Michaela? I am on TikTok. How do you feel about TikTok? I'll go check out your TikTok. But the

00:02:26.760 reason I'm on all those social media platforms is because I have to go to where the people are to

00:02:30.900 help them understand the lessons that I learned in my own journey, first of all, towards severe

00:02:36.800 chronic illness, and then doing the 180 away from that back to what I would consider fairly close to

00:02:45.000 optimal health as a 52 year old. And so the things I learned along that journey, and the things that

00:02:52.920 I saw reflected in my patients, when they changed their diet, that's kind of compelled me, some would

00:02:59.320 say called me to kind of focus all my effort on reaching out to the millions of people who suffer

00:03:06.740 from chronic disease, chronic inflammation, obesity, type two diabetes, fatty liver, you know,

00:03:13.060 autoimmune conditions, that all of these things are at least to some degree reversible by eating

00:03:19.860 a proper human diet. And so really, I'm on fire for that and have been for the last three or four

00:03:25.740 years. And I don't see any plans in the future to stop doing that because it's, you know, I'm a

00:03:31.800 doctor. I'm supposed to make people better. I'm not supposed to medicate them. I'm not supposed

00:03:37.020 to tell them there's no hope. I'm supposed to give them hope and then also give them a path

00:03:42.340 that they can follow and and also introduce them to a tribe of other people who have had similar

00:03:48.700 problems and similar journeys and say hey we all we all got better and you can too

00:03:54.260 that is what i like to hear from a doctor

00:03:59.520 what else would a doctor say i know i know i know they say lots of things

00:04:06.100 I just think they say, yeah, they say you're chronically ill and there's nothing you can do about it and here are some pills.

00:04:14.080 You're just unlucky. Bye.

00:04:15.960 Screwed. Yeah, exactly.

00:04:17.120 And I think that even if a patient is screwed, I think there's always hope for at least some degree of improvement.

00:04:22.840 And that's the thing that we need to focus on, not the fact, you know, if the odds are bad, why focus on that?

00:04:30.040 Because you're not in any way helping the patient.

00:04:31.980 Every interaction between a patient and a doctor or in between a YouTuber and a watcher should be therapeutic.

00:04:39.920 It should be an opportunity to instill some hope, however small the hope.

00:04:45.880 There should always be hope involved and there should always be a path.

00:04:49.380 This worked for me. This has worked for thousands or tens of thousands of people.

00:04:54.720 You should try this.

00:04:57.700 So what happened to you? You said you had chronic health issues?

00:05:01.260 Yeah. So as a young teenager and a young man, I was very slender, very seemingly very healthy.

00:05:09.460 I just ate a complete junk food diet. I was, you know, going through medical school and residency.

00:05:15.520 I didn't have time definitely to cook, but really didn't have time to think about food at that point.

00:05:21.340 And my body had not given me enough negative feedback yet that I knew that that was important.

00:05:26.380 But when I got out of residency, started my very active practice, I was working in the emergency department two to four nights a week.

00:05:37.140 And so I might get an hour or two of sleep.

00:05:39.120 And then also running a full-time Monday through Friday family practice, I quickly started to gain weight, get inflamed, miserable joint pain.

00:05:49.960 I became at my worst morbidly obese.

00:05:53.020 I was just over the criteria for being diagnosed as morbidly obese.

00:05:57.600 I was pre-diabetic.

00:05:59.180 I had severe GERD heartburn.

00:06:01.780 I had rosacea, chronic joint pain, and was just getting fat and miserable.

00:06:08.400 And you might be able to tell from what little accent I do have that I'm from the South.

00:06:15.060 And the people in the South I grew up around were very common sense people.

00:06:18.400 uh you couldn't be a mechanic and be successful if your car wouldn't start people judge you on

00:06:25.560 that here you couldn't be a hairdresser and be successful if your hair was ratchet right you

00:06:32.200 had to have you had to have nice hair to be a successful hairdresser and in the same respect

00:06:36.580 you couldn't be a fat miserable sick doctor people would be like okay doctor you just you

00:06:43.160 told me i need to lose weight and their eyes would would for one second go down and look at

00:06:48.140 my belly, where the button over my umbilicus was in danger of popping at any second, they would

00:06:55.960 judge me. And I felt that judgment. And I think that was therapeutic judgment because it cast a

00:07:01.940 light on me. Dude, you're not, you're not being consistent. You're being very inconsistent. You're

00:07:06.920 fat and pre-diabetic, but yet you're going to tell this person what's wrong with them. And so I could

00:07:12.820 not tolerate the incongruity of that. I had to fix that. I started out with primal, paleo-type

00:07:21.440 diets. They maybe helped a little. In the process of doing that, I discovered this thing called a

00:07:27.440 ketogenic diet. I thought, well, I'll try that for a few months. That immediately started the

00:07:32.940 weight loss. My hemoglobin A1C, which is the primary marker used for type 2 diabetes that

00:07:38.840 doctors look at, it started to come down precipitously. All of my symptoms of heartburn,

00:07:44.320 joint pain, inflammation, rosacea, dandruff, skin tags, all of that stuff started to get better

00:07:49.900 on this ketogenic diet. And in the process, I was reading about your dad, Jordan Peterson,

00:07:57.160 he's doing this carnivore diet. And I'm like, that's interesting because that's as low carb

00:08:02.120 as you can possibly get, right? And then I saw this crazy Dr. Sean Baker, an orthopedic surgeon,

00:08:07.320 he's doing this carnivore diet. And so on my Facebook page, I just, I just issued a challenge.

00:08:12.980 I said, Hey guys, let's do 30 days of this carnivore diet. Let's see what happens. And so

00:08:18.120 when I tell you I had heartburn, it was severe, almost disabling. It was so severe. I had to take

00:08:23.360 two Nexium, which is a very strong prescription medication for GERD. I had to take two a day.

00:08:31.520 So when the drug rep came to drop off the Nexium samples, the patients didn't get those.

00:08:37.540 I got all those.

00:08:38.360 Those were mine because I needed two a day.

00:08:41.020 And so I'm going to have to do that plus some tons of Rolaids or some other antacid during the day.

00:08:47.020 It affected my ability to speak.

00:08:49.360 It affected my ability to breathe and swallow at the same time.

00:08:54.200 It was really bad.

00:08:55.800 So on a ketogenic diet full of real whole one ingredient foods, not all the keto shakes and cakes and cookies and pies, but real keto food, my heartburn, which was severe 10 out of 10, got 80% better.

00:09:11.840 And I'm like, huh. At that point, I didn't know enough. I hadn't reached out to enough people to know that that wasn't just an anecdotal, weird thing that happened to me. That's something that very commonly happens for people with severe reflux when they start a ketogenic diet.

00:09:27.340 But then when I did my one month carnivore challenge, at the end of that month, I realized I hadn't taken a single thing for heartburn that entire month, which was very unusual for me.

00:09:41.840 And so I thought, you know, that's really cool, but also very weird.

00:09:45.700 I'm going to do this carnivore another month.

00:09:48.780 So I'll let everybody on my Facebook page off the hook.

00:09:51.020 they could go back to their keto if they wanted to, but I stuck with carnivore and have been a

00:09:55.440 carnivore now for 28, 29 months. And at this point, I have no intentions of ever going back.

00:10:03.880 Occasionally I'll cheat on carnivore with keto for an anniversary or a birthday or some family

00:10:09.560 get together, but on a daily basis, consistently, I eat an all, it's an animal-based diet for me.

00:10:16.160 And I have not had any heartburn in 29 months, which is, if anybody listening has suffered from severe heartburn, severe GERD, reflux, that's miraculous to say I have not had a single symptom in 29 months.

00:10:33.280 Wow.

00:10:34.280 I am very glad to hear that.

00:10:36.200 Me too.

00:10:37.560 Yeah, that's fantastic.

00:10:39.700 I've been doing it since December 2017.

00:10:42.560 and i've tried a couple times i'm okay for before before we get into that what does your diet look

00:10:50.440 like specifically what's animal based look like for you what's like a daily daily meals what does

00:10:55.880 that look like so it's there's always a large serving of some meat uh routinely i can i can

00:11:03.180 eat eggs just fine some people on carnivore depending on why they're doing it may or may

00:11:08.300 not be able to include eggs. I found that many people who think they're allergic to eggs,

00:11:13.680 it's actually the egg white. If they'll just stick to the yolk, they don't have any inflammatory

00:11:18.840 symptoms at all. And so for, I typically don't break my fast until one or two or 3 p.m. every

00:11:26.500 day. I'm just not hungry. I don't think about it. I've got stuff to do. I've got lots of farm chores

00:11:31.640 outside. I've got, you know, the people to reach, people to help. And so somewhere between one and

00:11:37.820 4 p.m. I'll be like, Oh, I haven't eaten today. And so I'll go have maybe a 12 ounce ribeye with

00:11:45.140 seven or eight egg yolk scrambles. And that that'll be my breakfast for that day. I can include some

00:11:52.960 dairy, always full fat, real good quality dairy. If I get too far off into the dairy, I'll start

00:11:59.740 to notice some inflammation in different parts of my body. So a tiny bit of cheese, a tiny bit of

00:12:06.560 heavy cream, but the vast majority of my diet is meat and eggs. I notice I do better on ruminant

00:12:15.640 meat. So beef, goat, sheep, venison is fine. Even elk is fine. It seems that all the ruminant

00:12:25.540 meat has some magical quality for me. I just feel better. I'm more mentally clear when I eat ruminant

00:12:32.040 meat i can tolerate some chicken and some pork but if i if i eat too much of that i just don't

00:12:37.500 feel my best and i don't necessarily think that chicken and pork are bad i just think for me

00:12:43.640 personally they're less good i react terribly to pork like terribly to pork i can eat a lot of

00:12:52.320 plants easier than than pork that gives me really bad autoimmune symptoms yeah and i think weirdly

00:12:58.280 And I think everyone should experiment with their diet, because you've discovered that about yourself. And it is true that we're all, to some degree, biogenetically unique and different.

00:13:12.140 I think the gut microbiome which we don't know nearly enough about I think that also plays a

00:13:18.580 role probably your your ancestral heritage your DNA plays some degree of a role I don't think we

00:13:25.420 know one of those to talk about them with confidence but it's great that you know that

00:13:32.440 that you know I might I can have a bite of bacon but if I get crazy on the bacon I'm going to

00:13:37.220 suffer whereas i i can eat six pieces of bacon and eggs and it's no big deal for me but i think that

00:13:43.860 that that is important for people to understand that there is some diversity between us although

00:13:49.620 we are all 99.9 the same genetically yeah well if everybody was as sensitive as my dad and i then

00:13:58.460 there'd be we'd be like the population would look a little different yeah okay so i think we should

00:14:05.220 address some like common concerns for people if they're not familiar with the carnivore diet,

00:14:08.980 although if they've been watching my channel, they probably are. But for people who say suffer

00:14:13.920 from kidney disease or heart disease or high cholesterol, do those people have to be worried

00:14:19.860 switching on to something that's animal based? No. Next question. No, let me go into that a

00:14:25.200 little bit. So no, you don't. And so there's a huge myth in the medical community, which should

00:14:32.100 not be susceptible to mythology. They should focus and act only on facts, only on evidence.

00:14:39.040 But there's this huge misconception in the medical community that a diet high in protein is bad for

00:14:45.540 your kidneys. And I've actually done several YouTube videos about this explaining that this

00:14:49.720 is a complete and utter myth. There's no research, definitely no controlled research that shows that

00:14:56.180 a high protein diet, protein from any source, is bad for the human kidneys. And there's definitely

00:15:01.540 no control research showing that protein from meat is in any way bad for kidneys. And so I've

00:15:09.740 started using the phrase meat is good for your kidneys. Prove me wrong. Show me the research.

00:15:16.340 And until I've yet to have a single controlled research study thrown in my face saying you're

00:15:22.440 wrong, big guy, meat is bad for your kidneys. There is no research that shows that yet the

00:15:27.400 average medical doctor dietitian nutritionist they will especially someone with stage one two

00:15:34.320 or three chronic kidney disease they will scare them to death oh you need to avoid especially red

00:15:39.740 meat somehow red meat's magical it's much much worse for your kidneys than than you know white

00:15:45.300 meat but okay that's great so where's the research oh then you hear the crickets chirping because

00:15:51.180 there is no research that supports that whatsoever, which makes that at best a hypothesis, at worst a

00:15:58.140 myth or a big fat lie. Like I talk about in my book, people with any medical condition, you're

00:16:05.500 still a human being. You're still homo sapien sapien. Therefore, you need to eat a human specific

00:16:11.420 diet, a proper human diet. And for every human on the planet, a proper human diet consists of a large

00:16:18.700 percentage of fatty meat and you just until we've got some control research you can't even argue

00:16:25.360 otherwise what about heart disease yeah so heart you know red meat's going to cause a heart attack

00:16:32.460 uh eating red meat is going to raise your cholesterol so the american heart association

00:16:38.760 which is the de facto world heart association because most other countries take their walking

00:16:45.240 orders directly from the american heart association when it comes to all matters

00:16:49.600 heart related they have stopped recommending a maximum amount of cholesterol intake in the diets

00:16:56.720 the research is very clear and the reason why you didn't know that michaela is because they they

00:17:02.820 didn't have a press conference as they should have they should have held a press conference

00:17:07.100 said we know we know we've been recommending that you limit your cholesterol intake for decades but

00:17:13.440 the research doesn't support that and it doesn't matter at all how much cholesterol you eat your

00:17:18.900 body's going to make the amount of cholesterol you need so we are no longer recommending that

00:17:23.800 that's that would have been the uh ethical thing for them to do yeah because what happens when they

00:17:28.980 don't hold that press conference is we even though the top cardiologist and the people that set the

00:17:34.540 guidelines they've stopped worrying about cholesterol intake in your diet and they've

00:17:39.100 stopped uh recommending that to their personal patients but we have this thing that i call the

00:17:44.360 echo of the lie that i talk about in the book so even though the preeminent authorities have

00:17:49.820 stopped talking about that they don't even it's not even in there if you print out their dietary

00:17:53.460 guidelines it's not in there anymore but we still have all these doctors and dieticians and

00:17:59.000 nutritionists and mothers and fathers who are saying oh don't eat cholesterol it's bad for your

00:18:04.480 heart that's and it's idiotic the because it was a it was a weak hypothesis for a few decades and

00:18:11.880 it's been completely disproven even though the researchers were trying desperately to prove that

00:18:17.380 it was a valid hypothesis but failed miserably and we've still got this echo of the lie that

00:18:23.980 your hairdresser will tell you that your aunt betty will tell you oh don't eat those egg yolks

00:18:28.700 it's too high in cholesterol but there's no research to support that so a lot of people

00:18:34.840 listening to this will be like you're telling me the american heart association said that

00:18:38.360 cholesterol is no longer a molecule of concern when it comes to dietary intake yep it's on page

00:18:45.000 187 of their guidelines buried in the minutiae but it's there and so then well okay well then

00:18:51.980 what about saturated fat eating saturated fats bad yeah well they've also stepped very quietly

00:18:57.160 away from that recommendation as well they they don't really speak about oh if you eat too much

00:19:02.820 saturated fat that is a direct directly causative of heart disease no actually that's no longer in

00:19:09.160 their guidelines either but again they didn't hold that that press conference to let the world know

00:19:14.520 so we've got all these people who mean well right they mean very well but they're just wrong and uh

00:19:22.340 And you and any smart person understands that no matter how good your intentions are, if the information and teaching that you're giving is just wrong, you're going to do harm.

00:19:33.000 And so there's all these people who are scared to death of ancestrally appropriate foods like egg yolks and fatty meat because they're afraid it will affect their heart because of the cholesterol or the saturated fat.

00:19:44.840 And the world authority on all things heart related has stopped that recommendation.

00:19:49.960 They don't even recommend that you limit cholesterol intake or limit saturated fat intake any longer, but they didn't have a press conference, so no one knows.

00:20:00.900 What's that saying? The road to hell is paved with good intentions?

00:20:04.960 Yeah, in this case, I think that's very applicable.

00:20:08.560 Yeah, no, that's completely criminal, in my opinion.

00:20:11.520 I agree. At what point do we have a young attorney out there who's hungry for a class action lawsuit?

00:20:17.980 Or do we have an assistant DA in some state who's hungry to make a name for herself and who files a class action lawsuit against one of these organizations saying, hey, you're actually doing harm by not making public the fact that you no longer recommend that people limit cholesterol and saturated fat intake?

00:20:40.440 Because here's the harm that's being done. There are all kinds of vitamins and minerals, essential fatty acids that you really can only get from foods that are high in cholesterol and high in saturated fat.

00:20:53.400 And so if you're avoiding cholesterol and saturated fat, you're not getting access to this cornucopia of vitamins and minerals and fatty acids that your body absolutely needs for essential optimal human function.

00:21:09.240 you might be able to limp along without these vitamins and minerals and fatty acids but never

00:21:14.240 will you realize your best health your most optimal function you it's just not accessible

00:21:19.860 to you because you're being restricted from these necessary nutrients yeah i think a lot of people

00:21:28.520 also have been sick for so long that they don't understand what it feels like to be healthy

00:21:32.840 absolutely agree it's it's human nature to get used to where we're at yeah right and i and so

00:21:39.220 you see this on both sides of the coin when somebody's miserable every day i didn't realize

00:21:44.220 how good i could feel without pain and rosacea and severe heartburn and and dunlap do you know

00:21:50.960 what dunlap is michaela here in the south it sounds horrifying it is it's when your belly

00:21:56.420 is dunlap over your belt that's a southernism that we say here and that means you're fat

00:22:01.800 I didn't, I didn't realize how miserable I was until I corrected all those things.

00:22:07.200 But then on the flip side, people like you and I, now that we found our point on the

00:22:12.820 spectrum of a proper human diet and we feel great every single day, we kind of get used

00:22:17.760 to that as well, don't we?

00:22:19.140 And so it felt amazing at the beginning, but then after 29 months of this, it just feels

00:22:24.800 normal to me now to feel great and to be able to go out and work on the farm and sweat two

00:22:29.720 gallons out to, you know, just nonstop manual labor that just feels normal to me. And so I

00:22:35.020 don't, I don't, I, you lose sight of just how bad or how good you feel. I think that's just human

00:22:40.420 nature. I think it's human nature too. However, have you tried just doing like lion diet style

00:22:47.600 for six weeks? Super strict. I have not. And I, I, I, that is on my agenda. You have to try.

00:22:53.600 have to try i agree because i feel great now but could i feel even better exactly no i totally get

00:23:01.760 the logic behind that and at some point i'll probably do three months because i really feel

00:23:06.620 like 90 days is what you really need for any dietary experiment to let your body have time

00:23:12.100 to calm down and to improve and at some point i will do 90 days of just beef salt and water and

00:23:18.440 and just see uh and you know i may have to include a little lamb in that because i'm lamb lamb i eat

00:23:24.800 mostly lamb very fond of lamb and i like go to tell you so i may just do 90 days of ruminant meat

00:23:29.620 yeah and i may do that here and i'll i'll issue a you know a challenge to all my people when the

00:23:35.660 time comes okay cool keep me posted i'll advertise that on my instagram too so people can join

00:23:41.920 that's fun uh let's talk a little bit about transition symptoms you've seen from people

00:23:47.280 going from, say, the standard American diet into an animal-based diet, what people should be

00:23:52.260 prepared for? Yeah. So there are a couple of things that you need to understand and also

00:23:58.260 be ready for. So the first thing, in my opinion, highly processed carbohydrates are very, very

00:24:05.060 addictive. They mimic all of the signs of addiction. We can see PET scan and MRI data

00:24:13.300 in the nucleus accumbens you know which is basically the center that of the brain that

00:24:18.500 that leads to addictive behavior it lights up just like you're smoking pot or smoking nicotine or

00:24:25.220 smoking crack it lights up the same way when you're eating highly processed carbohydrates or

00:24:29.900 even thinking about eating them which is interesting right and so the first thing you're

00:24:35.060 going to contend with is carbohydrate withdrawal symptoms and a lot of people call this the keto

00:24:40.160 flu or the carnivore flu, but when people are quitting smoking and they have the same exact

00:24:46.840 symptoms of withdrawal, nobody calls that the quitters flu, right? Because you know that it's

00:24:54.620 bad for you to smoke. So it doesn't matter what your symptoms of withdrawal are. It's still worth

00:24:59.880 it in the long run to quit smoking. But food is so wrapped up in emotion, in religion, in family

00:25:06.980 ties that we don't think of that the same way as we do tobacco, which obviously no one needs to

00:25:11.980 smoke. No one needs to do illicit drugs. No one needs to be an alcoholic. So we don't have all

00:25:18.700 the social and emotional ties to those things. We can just single those out and say, that is bad

00:25:25.560 for you. Stop that. But food's different, right? Because we have all these emotional strings

00:25:31.560 attached to it and so when you change your diet from the standard american crap processed diet

00:25:37.700 to a ketogenic diet or a carnivore diet and you start to feel miserable people immediately are

00:25:43.760 going to jump to the conclusion well duh that diet's bad for you you should go back to eating

00:25:48.360 your regular diet instead of thinking oh maybe you're having withdrawal symptoms from the highly

00:25:54.600 processed grains and the sugar content maybe you need to give that three to 14 days just like the

00:25:59.960 withdrawal from any other standard addictive substance for those signs and symptoms of

00:26:05.960 withdrawal to abate because that's exactly what you have to do and some people they don't have

00:26:10.840 much withdrawal symptom and these are usually people who are already eating paleo or trying

00:26:15.620 to eat real whole foods but if you're if you're going straight from carnivore from a standard

00:26:21.420 american or standard canadian crap diet you're probably going to have three to seven days of

00:26:27.520 withdrawal symptoms, and it's going to suck. That doesn't mean you should stop. That means you

00:26:32.220 should persevere until you get to the other side, because that's where all the benefits are.

00:26:37.900 The second thing that people need to be aware of is when you're eating a high-carbohydrate diet,

00:26:43.260 your insulin levels are staying chronically high. Your levels of chronic inappropriate

00:26:48.240 inflammation are chronically high. Both of those things are going to make you store a lot of

00:26:53.520 fluid, unhealthy fluid in your body, right? And so the way the human kidney works is when you

00:27:00.140 start eating a very low carbohydrate diet, your blood sugar levels and your insulin levels are

00:27:05.440 going to quickly return to normal. And that's going to cause a diuresis, which means that

00:27:10.320 you're going to start to urinate out all this unhealthy fluid that you've been storing

00:27:15.040 inappropriately all over your body. But the way the human kidney works is you can't just urinate

00:27:20.260 out free water you have to have some degree of salt go with that water you have to have some

00:27:26.800 degree of magnesium and potassium and even calcium has to go with that water because of the way

00:27:31.980 the human kidney is designed and so you'll wind up with with other symptoms of being not eating

00:27:39.040 enough salt because we've all been taught that salt is bad which is another big fat lie that

00:27:43.840 you don't have to worry about when you start eating a proper human diet but for the first

00:27:48.060 few days of this transition you need to be very mindful that you're eating enough salt and you

00:27:52.740 need to be very mindful that you're getting enough magnesium and potassium either in your diet or in

00:27:58.320 the form of a supplement and those things alone mitigate this the side the symptoms of of

00:28:05.880 carbohydrate withdrawal and just the the keto flu or the carnivore flu that many people mislabel it

00:28:11.920 as it's just electrolyte fluctuations salt fluctuations and carbohydrate withdrawal that's

00:28:17.980 what you're suffering from it's short-lived it's temporary and i promise you it is worth

00:28:23.260 the three to seven days transition period to get to the other side

00:28:28.080 for me and for people i've seen who have really severe autoimmune disorders that can be up to 21

00:28:35.580 days the cravings i had and i and taken i went from standard american diet to a very restrictive

00:28:41.820 of paleo diet to a keto diet with no dairy and no eggs to the carnivore diet over a period of

00:28:47.960 like two years. And the cravings, the cravings were bad enough. And they lasted three weeks for

00:28:53.520 me where I was having dreams about these foods. And it was ridiculous every time I, so I didn't

00:28:58.780 screw up because as soon as I cut out a food, I was like, it's out. But occasionally I'd be

00:29:04.100 somewhere and I'd have some contamination on something. And as soon as I had that contaminated

00:29:09.660 food, all my cravings would come back. It was wild. And so it'd be like, I'd have something

00:29:14.880 and there'd be soybean oil on it and I wouldn't know. And then I'd have soy cravings. It was

00:29:20.000 crazy. And I think the other thing that caused your withdrawal, your cravings to last longer

00:29:28.220 is your gut microbiome. And as I said earlier, we don't know nearly enough about this,

00:29:34.240 but also you have a set of fungi that live in your gut as well. And, and people, most people

00:29:40.180 aren't aware of that, but you have a micro fungome as well as a microbiome and fungi can have

00:29:47.940 serious effects on your mental health. And so I opine, this is merely a hypothesis because

00:29:54.940 nobody's studying this, but I think when you go from a high carbohydrate diet to a very,

00:30:00.020 very low carbohydrate diet your gut bacteria rebel because you are populated with a high carb loving

00:30:08.720 bunch of bacteria in your gut and all of a sudden they're not getting the sugar they're not getting

00:30:14.460 the high processed grains and starches that they they operate best on and so they start to down

00:30:20.080 regulate as well as protest you can just imagine the little bacteria with their placards saying

00:30:25.300 hell no no more meat right but what you're also doing is up regulating all of the healthy

00:30:32.180 beneficial bacteria and funguses that love a low carbohydrate nutrient dense diet and that can take

00:30:39.580 a few weeks to to get your gut bacteria and fungus regulated and a lot of carnivores notice they'll

00:30:45.720 have three days to three weeks of diarrhea and that's part of their transition and that's because

00:30:51.300 that's that's the protestation of your gut bacteria and fungus saying what the hell are you doing

00:30:56.640 where's where are my carbs and and i think also vegetable seed oils do play a role in that as well

00:31:02.600 and a lot of people don't understand the power that fungus can have over your actual mental

00:31:08.220 activity if no one's seen the the video of the zombie ants where a fungus literally makes this

00:31:16.320 ant ignore all of its its instinct and its training climb to a top of the leaf attached

00:31:21.780 to a certain kind of leaf on a certain tree on a certain side of the tree and then die

00:31:26.640 and then fall to the ground so that the fungus can replicate in the ant's body just search

00:31:31.560 youtube for fungus ants i'm gonna link that below crazy screwed up it is but that's the

00:31:38.140 power that that fungi can have over seemingly sentient beings and make you literally become

00:31:45.320 a zombie and you're going to the fridge and looking for the carbs and it's completely against

00:31:50.540 your will. But yeah, I think that's absolutely a thing. And I think that's something that our

00:31:55.900 researchers at the Harvard School of Public Health, they need to start looking into that

00:31:59.620 kind of stuff instead of, oh, every piece of bacon you eat shortens your life by seven minutes

00:32:04.800 because they played that. That's a dead horse. They need to stop beating that and start looking

00:32:10.380 at the effect that the microbiome and the fungus have on our behavior and changing our mental

00:32:15.720 health when i first went to paleo that's when the cravings were the worst and i could tell i knew

00:32:22.900 because i've been doing research on the microbiome even though there's not a lot to read out there

00:32:26.520 that's like legitimate exactly because it's so new but i could tell that the cravings weren't mine

00:32:32.720 like i'd be like no i'm on this diet and they'd just be like angel food cake would just appear

00:32:36.340 in my head. And I'd be like, what is that? What is that? And I'd be hungry, but I wouldn't be

00:32:41.900 hungry for the food that was healthy. I'd just be hungry for the food that wasn't healthy. And

00:32:45.740 I'd be like, well, then I'm not hungry. If like, if I only want to eat one food, but I don't want

00:32:50.400 a steak, that's not actual hunger. So I just got angry at it. I was like, how dare you, whatever

00:32:55.360 is in me trying to control me, how dare you starve? And that was very unpleasant. Absolutely.

00:33:00.820 okay so i have your book this is your older book right here lies my doctor told me which is a great

00:33:11.460 book but what is what is happening with this new book so i'm i'm working on my my new book and it's

00:33:19.600 tentatively titled the proper human diet because i think that there is a spectrum

00:33:24.260 that every single human on the planet,

00:33:27.340 if their goal is to achieve optimal health,

00:33:31.760 optimal function, both physically and mentally,

00:33:34.300 you need to be eating on the proper human diet spectrum.

00:33:38.000 I'm going to try to have it out by the new year.

00:33:42.140 That may or may not happen.

00:33:43.940 I have a bit of ADHD and so I tend to get distracted,

00:33:48.200 but I am working diligently on that.

00:33:50.420 I have a team working with me to kind of keep me focused.

00:33:53.180 sometimes that's a challenge but I think it's going to be a very important book perhaps even

00:33:59.500 more important than lies when I wrote lies I was called to write that book I could not sleep I

00:34:06.480 could not eat Nisha basically recounting the that the memories now she's like yeah I basically didn't

00:34:12.600 see you for 18 months while you're writing that book and I think that the proper human diet is

00:34:18.420 going to wind up being a more important book that's going to be more helpful to even more

00:34:22.600 people than lies was and i can't wait to get it finished but um it's a work in progress okay well

00:34:30.180 i'm looking forward to that this was a good one i mean i can tell why you felt like you were called

00:34:36.140 to writing it medical myths that can harm your health there's probably an emotional aspect to

00:34:40.860 that yeah well it's so it's such a convoluted complex topic because just think of the interaction

00:34:49.160 in the average doctor's office here's a doctor who got received very little training on nutrition

00:34:54.740 right on average in western medicine it's maybe a few hours of training and and then you they are

00:35:01.840 looked upon by the patient as a an authority figure almost like a witch doctor like they

00:35:08.820 know things i don't know anything that comes out of their mouth i should consider gospel i should

00:35:14.260 do what they say but the doctor not only doesn't know what the hell he or she's talking about when

00:35:20.260 it comes to human nutrition on average they don't know that they don't know and yeah and then they

00:35:26.880 trust these preeminent authorities like the american diabetes association the american

00:35:31.620 heart association the american academy of pediatrics they trust these people just like

00:35:36.920 the patient trusts them so you've got this almost exponential just terrible trust problem and it

00:35:46.740 multiplies each step up the ladder you go so not only is the doctor diluted and misled then you

00:35:52.580 multiply that by the doctor misleading and diluting the patient so it just becomes almost

00:35:57.940 an unsolvable puzzle of how do you fix that interaction but that that's the most important

00:36:05.640 interaction is between the doctor and the patient and that's why i wrote lies like i did so that we

00:36:11.460 break it up into one topic and this is what your doctor says but this is the actual truth of the

00:36:15.660 matter and i think that i wrote it for patients but if you notice there's actually an entire

00:36:20.940 chapter in the back dedicated to health care providers like this is this is what you're

00:36:27.200 doing wrong this is how you correct that and that's why i've dedicated the remainder of my

00:36:32.200 life to educating people. I'm not trying to change doctors' minds or healthcare providers. I don't

00:36:37.900 give a damn what the ADA or the AHA thinks of me. I could care less. I'm trying to reach out

00:36:43.080 directly to people and say, hey, I know your doctor told you this, but it's actually wrong.

00:36:47.660 Try this instead. And I've got pretty good feedback from a few people. So I think that

00:36:54.880 that model is working very well. But it's really sad that that interaction has to go so wrong and

00:37:02.080 has to just be just exponentially wrong because no one in that interaction neither the doctor nor

00:37:08.480 the patient know the truth and they also don't know the power of the truth i mean just for you

00:37:15.120 and your dad you know absolutely all of these medical interventions all of these prescription

00:37:21.020 medications became moot when you discovered the power of proper nutrition species specific

00:37:30.500 nutrition, a proper human diet, when you became aware of that yourself, how many doctors did you

00:37:36.520 render meaningless in your life when you made that adjustment and said, hey, maybe my diet's

00:37:43.380 way more important than everybody thinks it is. It's not just about weight loss. It's about

00:37:48.940 optimizing my health. How many doctors did you turn out to pastor personally when you discovered,

00:37:54.880 oh my god diet really matters a lot a lot i had a lot of doctors i had a lot of doctors i had a

00:38:02.760 rheumatologist i had a psychiatrist i had a family doctor that was that was three at least and then

00:38:09.560 i was going to see an immunologist for allergies so that's four oh and a dermatologist for skin

00:38:16.060 so that's five i bet you there was more but there were definitely five yeah so all of those

00:38:21.640 very complex interactions that you were having with each different doctor and then the prescription

00:38:27.960 that inevitably came from each different doctor which added up for you as a handful of pills

00:38:33.940 every day multiple times a day how powerful is that that you basically at some point just

00:38:40.120 put up your hand and said no no more no more I'm going to do something different I'm going to try

00:38:44.560 a different path and then all of a sudden all of these things all of these doctors all these pills

00:38:50.040 which to you at the time seemed mandatory yeah like life-saving if I'm going to have any kind

00:38:56.740 of a life I've got to see these doctors I've got to take all these pills just they just magically

00:39:02.740 melt away in importance and I think I've seen that's replicated so many times in people on a

00:39:08.740 ketogenic diet or a carnivore diet it's like yeah I'm off five pills I'm off 10 pills I'm off three

00:39:13.700 pills I used to have four doctors now I have one that I see once a year and that's mainly just

00:39:18.920 because I like hanging out with my doctor once a year. I don't really need him or her anymore.

00:39:23.560 But that is such an empowering thing. That moment when you hold up your hand and say,

00:39:29.040 no more, I'm going to try a different path. It's scary initially, very scary. But right before you

00:39:35.260 make the decision and then right after the decision, it can be terrifying. Like, oh my

00:39:39.500 God, I'm going to die. I'm eating all this saturated fat and cholesterol now. But then

00:39:43.680 when the benefits start to come. Some come quickly. Some take several months before you

00:39:48.700 start to realize them. It's at that point, you know, no, I made the right decision. And I'm not

00:39:54.160 anti-doctor. I'm not anti-medical care. I'm just anti-unnecessary doctoring, unnecessary

00:40:02.260 pharmaceuticals. That's the anti that I am, if you want to put a label on me. And I think many

00:40:07.920 people in the keto and carnivore communities are now very anti medical intervention unless it's

00:40:14.380 absolutely necessary yes i agree do you have words of comfort for people who are overweight or obese

00:40:24.520 who are concerned about increasing their meat intake and losing weight yeah so

00:40:30.560 carbohydrates are uniquely fattening for human beings. In my research that I've been doing into

00:40:40.480 not only human nutrition and human medicine, but also archaeology, anthropology, and even

00:40:46.620 paleoanthropology, it's become quite obvious to me that human beings are, by design or by evolution,

00:40:55.080 low carbohydrate mammals that's just what we are and so anyone who's eating over 100 total grams

00:41:03.300 of carbohydrates a day you're going to have some degree of hyperinsulinemia some degree of

00:41:09.900 inappropriate chronic inflammation and it may manifest in your skin it may manifest in your gut

00:41:15.520 in your joints in your hair there are any number in your mental health right we all tend to express

00:41:22.340 the inappropriate inflammation and hyperinsulinemia, different parts of our body. And that's why

00:41:27.820 initially a lot of people don't see the connection between all of these chronic medical conditions

00:41:32.700 and diets, because we manifest them in different ways. But once you start to lower the carbohydrate

00:41:39.820 intake, you're going to immediately start to notice improvements. And a lot of people lose

00:41:45.200 inches before they lose pounds or kilograms. And so I always recommend people take your measurements

00:41:51.460 when you when you start keto when you start carnivore because the scale may not move for

00:41:56.220 weeks or even months but you're going to steadily be losing inches as the inflammation and the

00:42:01.920 unhealthy water you lose that and as you start to burn fat because it's been my experience that when

00:42:08.360 you start a a fatty meat heavy keto diet or a carnivore diet you're going to naturally start

00:42:14.100 to put on muscle and i've heard this from thousands of people feedback it's like i'm not working out

00:42:21.400 all but but i'm noticing more muscle definition is that normal and at first i thought that was

00:42:27.040 completely anecdotal and crazy but after you hear something from a thousand or two thousand or five

00:42:32.680 thousand people you have to give some respect and credence to all those anecdotal experiences right

00:42:38.640 also you're you're eating a diet that's full of all the ingredients to build muscle and to build

00:42:43.640 stronger bones and people don't realize when they say i want to lose weight what they mean is i want

00:42:48.800 lose fat. That's what you mean by that. You don't want to lose bone density. You don't want to lose

00:42:53.480 muscle. You don't want to lose cartilage, ligament, fascia. And so you start to actually build up all

00:42:59.480 those vital organs. Your bones get stronger. Your muscles get stronger. Your fascia, which is its

00:43:05.940 own organ in the human body, starts to get tougher and stronger. Ligaments, tendons, cartilage, all

00:43:11.900 this stuff starts to get stronger. That's going to show up on the scale. So as you're losing stored

00:43:16.140 fat, you're actually gaining these other things. And so for weeks, you can actually break even

00:43:20.980 on the bathroom scale and think, this diet's not working for me at all. But if you're taking your

00:43:26.500 measurements, you unlock that information. You're like, oh my God, yeah, I've lost three inches off

00:43:31.040 my waist, even though the scale hasn't moved. And so it can be, for some people, the benefits and

00:43:38.140 the weight loss is immediate. For other people, it takes longer. And so I would say you're now

00:43:45.060 eating a proper human diet, how can that not be good for you, at least in the long term,

00:43:51.120 if not in the short term, so stick with it. And this diet works equally well for people who are

00:43:55.600 underweight. And a lot of people are surprised when I say keto and carnivore are not weight loss

00:44:02.800 diets. That's not what they are. When I first started this seven, eight years ago, I 100%

00:44:08.180 believed that keto was a temporary weight loss hack, because that's all I knew at that time.

00:44:14.420 But now seeing this in totality, I realized, no, if you're underweight, if you suffer from

00:44:19.780 an eating disorder or anything, you can actually gain weight, but you're not going to gain

00:44:25.880 fat.

00:44:26.400 You're going to gain muscle.

00:44:27.360 You're going to gain bone density.

00:44:28.700 You're going to gain all the beneficial organs are going to actually fill out and resume

00:44:33.680 their normal appearance.

00:44:35.540 And I've seen people gain 20, 30, 40 pounds of needed weight on both the ketogenic and

00:44:41.880 a carnivore diet.

00:44:42.720 yeah it seems to just normalize your weight exactly right but it moves your body weight

00:44:49.720 to a proper weight for you because it is a proper human diet that's what it should do right

00:44:55.940 that is what it should do so if anyone isn't aware what how do you define a keto diet so a

00:45:03.320 keto diet for me is definitely going to be under 50 total grams of carbohydrates a day

00:45:09.880 for most people especially if you have lots of stored fat that you need to burn off and lose

00:45:15.860 it probably needs to be under 20 total grams of carbohydrates a day and i think that total carbs

00:45:23.180 that's a big deal because as you know keto is becoming very very popular and a lot of the big

00:45:29.220 food manufacturers are jumping into the keto space and if you let them count net carbs they can trick

00:45:36.260 you with with soluble fibers and by misnaming things and a friend of mine did an experiment

00:45:42.320 she was eating under 20 net grams of carbs a day and she was eating over a hundred grams of total

00:45:49.660 carbs a day but still getting less than 20 net and so the what why so how is that different what's

00:45:56.460 the difference between net and total so total carbs means counting every carb including fiber

00:46:01.040 because many of the fibers, some fibers are insoluble and you truly don't absorb them and

00:46:06.280 get any carbohydrates from them at all. Many fibers are soluble fibers and you will at least

00:46:13.580 partially digest those with your gut. And so tapioca fiber, oat fiber, corn fiber, a lot of

00:46:23.340 these fibers are soluble fibers, but most people don't know the difference, right? The average

00:46:27.320 customer. And so they just see fiber and they think, boom, fiber, that's good. I've heard my

00:46:32.240 doctor told me that I need fiber. So there you go. But a lot of it, so corn fiber and tapioca

00:46:38.180 fiber and oat fiber, you're going to get about two grams of carbs from each, from each gram.

00:46:44.120 You're going to get, you see what I'm saying? You're going to get two grams of carbs out of

00:46:47.820 that four grams. And you're like, oh, wait a minute. I didn't realize that. Yeah, that's right.

00:46:53.320 And the big food manufacturers, they know you don't know the difference. So they'll fill their

00:46:57.040 uh their fake keto foods up with lots of soluble fiber and then on the the nutrition information

00:47:03.640 panel they get to call that fiber not sugar and and say oh that doesn't count because that's fiber

00:47:09.700 yeah it's it's very insidious it's it's very disappointing but of course big food manufacturers

00:47:15.700 they have a duty to their board of directors to make a profit they have no duty to the customer

00:47:20.700 to increase their health or improve their health right so they're they're actually doing their job

00:47:25.800 but their job is not to help you be healthier. And that's why I talk about total carbs because

00:47:30.760 you cannot play reindeer games with total carbs. It either is a carbohydrate or it ain't a

00:47:36.440 carbohydrate. And so if people are really serious about doing a 180 with regards to their health,

00:47:43.040 you got to count total carbs. And that's very unpopular, especially with keto influencers who

00:47:48.220 are either manufacturing keto treats or who are endorsing keto treats because that shoots their

00:47:55.740 keto treat in the head when you start counting total carbohydrates okay you just said play

00:48:02.100 reindeer games yeah yeah you know how how the the reindeer wouldn't let rudolph play any reindeer

00:48:08.160 games right oh yeah reindeer game is basically just a bullshit game of semantics or you know

00:48:14.740 you know uh so so yeah they'll play all the games they can with the nutrition facts they'll call

00:48:22.380 sugar organic cane juice and they'll say oh i've seen that exactly that's a reindeer game that's

00:48:28.660 i guess i guess that's just a personal thing i say i thought i said that yeah yeah but they'll

00:48:34.400 do that for a profit because their their goal is not to make you healthier it's to make the

00:48:39.380 the bottom line healthier okay so i also think a ketogenic diet every bite of food you put in

00:48:46.260 your mouth needs to be nutrient dense. That's why we eat. We don't eat, but we shouldn't eat

00:48:52.040 for just pleasure. Every bite of food should be meaningful nutrition, right? I think every bite

00:48:58.560 of food you eat should be a real whole food with one ingredient. These are all my definitions of

00:49:06.540 a ketogenic diet. You might be able to use keto cookies and cakes and pies and bars and shakes

00:49:12.940 to transition to a ketogenic diet, but ultimately if your goal is optimal health, your, your diet

00:49:20.360 on keto is going to consist of a lot of fatty meat, some kale or broccoli and a few blueberries.

00:49:26.960 That's, that's keto. If you're, if you're making keto cakes and pies, that's, that's kind of keto

00:49:32.960 simulacrum. That's, that's, it might, it might help you transition, but that is it by no means

00:49:38.100 a proper human diet okay i agree there's a good differentiation there uh i know i know a lot of

00:49:45.520 people who've transitioned from the standard american diet who do have an easier time going

00:49:49.720 okay i'm not eating pizza anymore but i'll have like keto pizza or paleo pizza and it cuts out

00:49:55.500 a lot of the super super super harmful ingredients but it's not a way to it's a way to transition

00:50:01.960 or for kids who are really used to the standard american diet and used to eating like sugar all

00:50:06.860 the time you can switch them on to keto treats and they'll like hardly notice but after a month

00:50:12.360 of doing that they'll be more inclined because the withdrawal will like taper down they'll be

00:50:16.600 more inclined to go to whole foods that's exactly and i think another thing that the average person

00:50:21.260 does not know the average doctor doesn't know is that you can actually train or retrain your

00:50:26.300 palate there are so many people in the u.s especially who the they're they only know

00:50:32.720 chicken, chicken strip, breaded chicken strips and ketchup and Coke or Pepsi. And that's literally

00:50:38.480 all the tastes they can taste. They cannot taste the sweet. That was me. Yeah. I swear that was me.

00:50:43.660 A hundred percent. It's very common, but people aren't aware of this. So they don't know this

00:50:47.080 happens. And so they'll initially say, no, I don't like meat. And I'm like, oh, you a hundred

00:50:52.140 percent like meat. You just don't know it yet because you're used to your breaded chicken

00:50:55.620 strips with sugar filled ketchup and a Coca-Cola. And then, you know, a little Debbie snack cake

00:51:00.940 at the end that's what you're used to but you can actually retrain the human palate and it's you

00:51:08.200 know and preferably you don't want to do that so you start a baby out like we did Beckett with beef

00:51:12.040 ribs and ground beef that was that was the first foods that went in his mouth and so he's loved

00:51:17.320 meat from day one yeah but many children don't get that opportunity they're raised on the little

00:51:22.160 rice crispy things and the little wheat crackers and so they never develop a true broad human

00:51:28.940 palate that can enjoy lots of different subtlety in the taste and the flavors and one thing that

00:51:35.720 I tell people is when you eat a raw almond does it taste sweet to you and if someone if they haven't

00:51:41.600 been on keto for long or they haven't they're not keto adapted they're like sweet no what are you

00:51:47.460 talking an almond you mean I mean if it's like a candied almond yeah but I'm like no no no almonds

00:51:52.980 are very sweet and when you taste that you know that you're retraining your palate your palate

00:51:58.920 is learning oh there is much more subtle flavors than just sweet sour and salty there are way

00:52:06.380 hundreds and hundreds of layers of of the palate that you can redevelop by slowly transitioning to

00:52:12.520 eating real human food and when when an almond tastes sweet to you you know you're on the proper

00:52:18.140 path you know you're moving in the right direction i found that for me when i switched from standard

00:52:23.700 american diet to a paleo diet and the paleo was really it was basically keto right it was it was

00:52:29.120 almost keto uh it took three months so for the first three months everything i ate was terrible

00:52:36.500 i was making stews that i would later really appreciate but it was like parsnips and carrots

00:52:41.920 and beef and i was just like this is horrible like repulsive there's no flavor here everything's

00:52:49.180 kind of bitter the meats bland and it was like that for three months and then slowly carrots

00:52:55.660 started to taste sweet and then parsnips were sweet and I was like parsnips are sweet I didn't

00:52:59.380 know that uh then I went to meat and greens and I did that for a year and I started to be able to

00:53:05.620 differentiate between the different types of lettuces I was like oh no no I want the sweet

00:53:09.480 lettuce like I did that that's the sweet lettuce I was like what is going on it's pretty cool yeah

00:53:15.140 And the human tongue is capable of that, but most people don't know that at all.

00:53:19.240 They don't know they have that.

00:53:20.360 It's kind of a superpower to be able to differentiate between types of lettuce just by the taste.

00:53:26.820 But people don't realize they have that superpower.

00:53:29.500 It is undiscovered currently.

00:53:31.840 Did your sense of smell change?

00:53:34.600 Yeah, and so in two ways, my sense of smell changed.

00:53:38.580 not only did I become much more acutely aware of smells and able to differentiate smells,

00:53:45.400 but also my personal smell improved greatly. My body odor has gotten so much better on a

00:53:53.720 carnivore diet. And that's something I don't think he's talked about enough, but I think

00:53:57.720 that speaks directly to how the diet affects your skin microbiome and your odor. And so humans are

00:54:04.720 supposed to have odors but we're not supposed to smell like a dead cat if we don't take a bath

00:54:10.700 every six hours right but many people notice i've got to take two showers a day or i smell like

00:54:16.040 asshole and that the reason is is your diet is not right you're selecting for the wrong

00:54:22.020 skin bacteria that are very uh malodorous and that that's why you stink my brother or my sister

00:54:29.040 it's not because just you stink it's because you're eating a diet that's proper

00:54:33.380 yeah i found i also think it's your body trying to get rid of food so when i tried to reintroduce

00:54:39.920 soy and i i had like no body odor totally fine on paleo and i tried to reintroduce soy and during

00:54:46.640 the reaction when my arthritis came back my skin broke out i like horrifying doom my digestion was

00:54:52.300 upset i had terrible body odor and i noticed if i got in a sauna and kind of sweated it out then it

00:54:58.600 would get a little bit better so i think it's also your body being like get this out of me

00:55:02.480 whatever you're eating it could absolutely be that uh or it could be your you re-regulating

00:55:08.740 your skin microbiome to the to the previous unhealthy one either either one or a combination

00:55:13.900 could absolutely be the case yeah okay so if people are interested in this is there an easy

00:55:22.200 like first do you tell people to jump right in and just do it and get through the withdrawal and

00:55:27.140 get through the electrolyte up and down or is there a way to transition in more smoothly it

00:55:33.760 depends on the person michaela is some people are teetotalers like it sounds like you're kind of

00:55:38.760 like that yeah i mean all in or i'm not going to do it if you're that type of person and and you're

00:55:44.760 aware that you're probably going to have some carbohydrate withdrawal symptoms for a few days

00:55:49.240 you're probably going to have some diarrhea for a few days there's no danger whatsoever to just

00:55:53.320 going from day zero to day one to a 100% carnivore diet, even a lion diet. That's in no way

00:56:00.820 dangerous. You may feel like crap for a few days, but if you understand the physiology of why you

00:56:06.720 feel like crap, you understand it's worth it to stick with it. Other people are kind of incremental

00:56:12.440 improvers, right? They can't, they're not teetotalers. And so for those people, I think

00:56:16.920 it's perfectly fine to transition slowly and to use all the keto products as a transition tool

00:56:24.100 and then to slowly tighten up from dirty keto or lazy keto to doing a more real whole food

00:56:30.440 one ingredient keto and then to transition from there to carnivore if you feel like you need to

00:56:37.100 yeah i've noticed that this has been my experience talking to people specifically with serious

00:56:44.080 autoimmunity is that some of those people have pretty bad transition symptoms because initially

00:56:50.220 i was saying just jump in because you're going to heal the fastest the fastest you get on the diet

00:56:56.300 so even if the withdrawal and and the transition symptoms are a bit worse it's still worth it in

00:57:01.820 the long run but then there were a couple people and you talked about potassium sodium magnesium

00:57:07.140 there were a couple people who didn't regulate their electrolytes and ended up super faint

00:57:12.360 with like serious like sodium disbalances because they didn't increase their electrolytes

00:57:18.180 first thing in the diet so i think jumping right in if you're if you've done your research and

00:57:22.700 you're aware that you probably need to take i i have i was taking almost 2 000 milligrams of sodium

00:57:30.020 a day to regulate my electrolytes for quite a while until my body got used to it like maybe

00:57:36.060 like a year and a half it took a long time for me but i think if you can mitigate those effects then

00:57:41.360 the sooner the better hopefully i agree but different people have different methods

00:57:48.140 of transition and i think that if they're if they are self-aware enough to know which kind

00:57:53.680 of person they are yeah then they should definitely use that to their advantage during

00:57:58.440 the transition process whether it's a teetotaler or an incremental because if you don't honor who

00:58:05.240 you are as a person during the transition, your risk of failure skyrockets, right? Because you're

00:58:11.660 not following the path that you should be following. And so I think it's important for

00:58:15.960 people to try to understand which kind of person am I. Yeah, I agree. Okay. Dr. Barry, you've kind

00:58:24.360 of downplayed the size of your YouTube channel. How many subscribers do you have right now?

00:58:27.600 I think I have 1.6 million YouTube subscribers on my channel, which I'm very thankful for. I'm very grateful for. I had no idea when my wife, Nisha, shamed me into starting a YouTube channel. I had no dream that it would ever become what it's become.

00:58:46.540 but I'm very grateful for that. And I'm grateful that I've had the opportunity to help so many

00:58:52.320 people who I've never met to, you know, and I get, I get comments all the time on the videos.

00:58:58.380 It's like, you've helped me lose this much weight and I've reversed these chronic medical

00:59:02.540 conditions. And I no longer am contemplating having a knee replacement surgery because my

00:59:08.280 knee doesn't hurt anymore, that kind of stuff. And that stuff to me, that's, that is payment.

00:59:12.920 That is, that is better than money. That's better than accolades from the American Medical

00:59:18.160 Association who can, they can kiss my ass by the way. Uh, that that's the, that's what keeps me

00:59:23.520 going every day is, is the feedback from people who saying, who saying you have changed my life

00:59:28.480 for the better. Okay. So other than your YouTube channel, what's your YouTube channel called by

00:59:35.340 the way? Uh, Kendi Barry MD, but I think if you just search for Dr. Barry, you'll, you'll find me.

00:59:40.300 do you find it funny that your last name is barry it is funny and you know there's somebody made a

00:59:46.220 a graphic of of me dr barry and then uh dr sean baker and then dr paul salad eno and they're like

00:59:57.600 it's funny that the three carnivore doctors all have carbs in their name and i think that's also

01:00:02.700 funny but probably that's very funny i find that very funny okay you're also on instagram right

01:00:08.480 Yeah. When I'm feeling especially loving and kind, I'll post on Instagram. When I'm feeling especially snarky, I'll post on Twitter. I'm currently most proud of my growth on my TikTok. I think TikTok is going to be the next big thing.

01:00:27.260 yeah for sure i don't understand it but i'm trying really hard to master it i'm also i'm

01:00:33.020 on all social media because as i said in the beginning my mission is to help as many people

01:00:37.640 as i can reclaim their best health and the only way i'm going to do that is to reach out to people

01:00:43.080 and currently the way you do that is with social media okay well i definitely recommend anybody

01:00:50.480 listening if they're interested in these kind of diets uh to follow dr kenberry i've been following

01:00:55.640 him for a while and he knows what's up so thank you very much for coming on that was a fun

01:01:00.600 conversation absolutely thank you for good luck with the book good luck with the book coming out

01:01:06.060 too no don't don't tell me good luck Michaela tell me to get my ass in gear I need to do it

01:01:11.300 it'll help a lot of people and also try that you know what try the lion diet first then do the book

01:01:16.900 and then you can see the difference just in case like what if you're only operating at 80 percent

01:01:20.840 right now and you don't even know it that's a valid point I will I'm gonna I'm gonna put that

01:01:25.540 on the schedule. Okay. Okay. Okay. I'll talk to you soon. Thanks a lot.

The Mikhaila Peterson Podcast - September 28, 2021

117. Top Carnivore Diet Doctor Tips ｜ Ken Berry

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