The Mikhaila Peterson Podcast - 118. The Story of FreedomToons ft. Jordan Peterson

00:00:00.000 It's like, what is Shrek? And that's, that's pretty straightforward question. Like he's an

00:00:06.080 ogre. He lives in a swamp. He doesn't have any friends. So he's, he's not much different from

00:00:11.420 you, roughly speaking. And, and Shrek too, which is a very old story. He has to go off to far,

00:00:18.740 far away to meet his new in-laws. It's like, you may think meeting in-laws is a cakewalk man,

00:00:24.400 but it is not, especially if you're an ogre. And so what does Shrek do? Well, he brings his friend

00:00:30.960 donkey. And why is that? Why is it that he's always hanging around with a donkey? Well,

00:00:36.600 because when you're an ogre who spends all of your time in the swamp, your only friend is going to be

00:00:43.020 an ass. Welcome to episode 117 of the Michaela Peterson podcast. In this episode, I had Seamus

00:00:54.100 the creator of Freedom Tunes on the podcast with my dad. I hope you guys enjoy it. I've had a lot

00:01:00.640 of personal changes, you could say, in the last few months. My dad's healthier than he has been

00:01:06.060 in maybe five years. My mom is healthy. I'm healthy. I just moved to Franklin, which is

00:01:11.460 south of Nashville, last week rather abruptly. Andre's moving too. Scarlett's coming up and I've

00:01:17.280 set up her room with everything pink. It's been an insane few months slash 29 years really. I'll

00:01:23.500 do a Q&A soon to update everyone, but things are going really, really well. In this episode,

00:01:28.820 I went into a bit of a description about finding God or God finding me. I'll get into that more

00:01:34.260 in my Q&A because it's been pretty intense. It's something I've been searching for for a few years

00:01:39.220 and recently it clicked. More about that later though. As you can see, I'm recording on my phone

00:01:44.740 because I'm going on Blaze TV tomorrow and I don't have my studio set up yet in Franklin. It should

00:01:49.440 be set up next episode. In this episode, we covered Seamus's Catholic roots, his creation

00:01:55.780 of Freedom Tunes, and there's a great amount of Seamus imitating my dad, which I at least

00:02:01.120 found incredibly entertaining. I hope you guys enjoy this episode.

00:02:13.120 Seamus, welcome to the podcast.

00:02:14.840 Thank you so much for having me. It's much appreciated.

00:02:17.080 i surprised you with my dad you did surprise me it was a very pleasant surprise we were working

00:02:23.660 out technical difficulties so i didn't have too much of a chance to fanboy over him it's great

00:02:28.780 to uh meet you doctor thank you is it you that does those horrible

00:02:33.820 imitations of my voice i wouldn't say horrible i'm the one who does the really good ones

00:02:39.180 yeah yeah they're appalling they're appallingly good and thank you i'm glad you think so

00:02:46.720 yeah, very amusing. I'm actually very happy to hear that. And I think one mark of a person's

00:02:55.200 level of humility is their sense of humor about themselves. And so it's been fantastic the way

00:02:59.700 that you've reacted to them and shared them around, not only because it gives me publicity,

00:03:03.080 but I think it reflects very well on you that you've been so cool about it.

00:03:07.460 Yeah, well, there's much worse things than having comedians think that you're

00:03:11.720 interesting enough to parody you. I mean, I don't see how you can take offense to that. It's like,

00:03:17.580 what do you want to be ignored in some hole in a corner? I can see sometimes how that might be okay

00:03:23.160 too, though. Yeah, exactly. See, this was exactly why I became a cartoonist to do political

00:03:29.020 commentary. No one has to see my face. I've outed myself now, but. Okay. So before, before we get

00:03:35.440 into conversation, Seamus, I think you should give a brief background about who you are and what you

00:03:39.740 do to anybody who isn't familiar with your work? I started cartooning when I was really pretty

00:03:44.800 young. I mean, I was that kid who was drawing and doodling in class rather than paying attention,

00:03:51.400 which is evident based on my level of intelligence and the things I say in my work. People go,

00:03:55.500 these cartoons are great, but if only this kid had paid attention in school. I started teaching

00:04:02.160 myself to animate when I was about 13 years old, using a very old software. I just kept advancing

00:04:10.060 with it. When I was 14, I took on my first freelance gigs, which paid pennies, but I was

00:04:18.960 excited to be working in my field. By the time I finished high school, I knew I wanted to start a

00:04:25.600 business in animation production. The demand for animators had risen something like 30% that year.

00:04:30.940 I thought, all right, this is a good time to try it. What people don't know about the animation

00:04:34.900 industry is it isn't just Disney. In fact, it isn't even just cartoons like I do. A lot of it

00:04:41.260 is just designing graphics or doing motion logos for people, that kind of thing. I thought that

00:04:48.880 when I started, I was mostly going to be doing that stuff. As it would happen, I found this

00:04:53.380 conservative organization that wanted to hire me to do these short little cartoons. It was this

00:04:59.260 this small little website that a friend ran basically. And so they asked me, would you like

00:05:04.780 to make some cartoons for us? And we'll put them on our website. And there wasn't really much

00:05:10.840 success with them, but they enjoyed that I was making them. So I think we maybe did three episodes.

00:05:17.600 And at the time I was extremely libertarian. I'm much more conservative now, but problems sort of

00:05:24.380 began to arise because their website merged with a larger conservative organization. And I never

00:05:31.660 really ended up doing anything for them because when we started, they would kind of give me notes

00:05:37.800 on things. And I also had this feeling that I might end up having to promote things that I

00:05:41.840 personally didn't believe in at the time. So I thought, I'm just going to start uploading

00:05:46.900 these cartoons to my YouTube channel. I'll just start making my own stuff that no one is giving

00:05:51.180 me notes on and that I get to engineer all by myself and I'll put them on my channel and we'll

00:05:56.100 see what happens. And so I started doing that and it gained traction over time and eventually took

00:06:03.980 off to being what it is today. And a lot of that was grinding and being consistent with the release

00:06:08.980 schedule. And a lot of that was just also prayer and providence. And I've got a story about that

00:06:14.700 I'd like to get into in a little bit, just about the intervention of St. Joseph and the role I

00:06:19.780 believe that's played in my career. So that's where this discussion goes completely off the

00:06:26.380 rails. Exactly. Come on, Dr. Peterson, are you capable of a discussion that doesn't go completely

00:06:32.060 off the rails? That's a good question on many levels of analysis, believe me. So how successful

00:06:39.420 is Freedom Tunes now? That's a really good question. So in terms of the raw numbers,

00:06:48.580 the channel has, we're approaching 700,000 subscribers. I have probably about three people

00:06:56.460 who work with me as animators pretty regularly, and we're going to be bringing more on.

00:07:01.640 I've also branched out and I service other organizations that I think could use animation

00:07:07.080 and whose message I want to promote. And so it's, it's expanded into a small business and

00:07:12.720 animation production generally, which is great because what I wanted from the start was to be

00:07:16.520 able to serve these underrepresented communities within entertainment. I knew that conservatives

00:07:20.960 and Catholics weren't really getting pretty politically correct to be serving underrepresented.

00:07:26.800 I know exactly. That's how I put it. So doctor, I went to art school. I had to find ways to couch

00:07:32.000 these things when my professors asked what my aspirations were that wouldn't get me thrown out.

00:07:35.780 And so there's some groups that aren't that well represented in media. And part of the problem is

00:07:43.140 conservatives generally haven't been that great at producing entertaining media.

00:07:48.660 And I've gotten into some of the reasons for that. I think the problem is conservatives will

00:07:54.700 put too much emphasis on the message and not enough on just making it entertaining.

00:07:58.460 And the reality is, if you make something entertaining, by virtue of the fact that

00:08:02.200 you wrote it and you have your values, your values are going to come through and they're

00:08:05.020 going to be promoted in some way. But I think a lot of people don't realize that. And so their

00:08:09.180 work is unsubtle and it fails. And so I just knew that I wanted to work, like I said, with just

00:08:16.880 Catholic and generally conservative organizations and to promote good values and help fight in the

00:08:23.140 culture war in some small way. Yeah. It's a strange situation when conservatives start to

00:08:29.100 develop a sense of humor and you know the world's turning upside down that's what you see so here's

00:08:35.440 the thing i think we've generally had a pretty good sense of humor that people haven't recognized

00:08:39.440 because for years and years the conservatives were the butt of every joke on television

00:08:43.220 and conservatives were still watching and laughing at it even when they were the ones getting ripped

00:08:47.180 on well i would even argue that people who are conservatives right now aren't really that

00:08:53.240 conservative that's also very true that's very true we might have just switched into the people

00:08:58.160 who are funny, right? If you think about liberals and then in the sixties, like I feel like most

00:09:02.640 conservatives are way closer to that, or even maybe even seventies. I'm not sure.

00:09:07.620 No, that's a really interesting point. It's difficult to define the right. And I've said

00:09:12.400 this in the past, the way that I define the left is essentially is acting against the Catholic

00:09:16.720 church and her values, because we see the inception of the left at the French revolution

00:09:20.620 and their goals were very plainly stated. They were acting against virtually everything that I

00:09:27.300 believe is good in the world. Conservatives don't necessarily exist as a force for the church,

00:09:34.260 but they exist as a force against the left. It can become difficult to define what that means

00:09:38.520 because the left takes different shapes and forms in terms of the ideas that it wants to promote in

00:09:43.180 any given era. What's fashionable among them changes very frequently. Conservatives, because

00:09:49.320 they define themselves in opposition to the left, as opposed to having their own core values that

00:09:54.540 they understand well, aren't really a well-defined group, unfortunately. It's something like,

00:10:02.160 at this point, conservatives are just a group of people with vaguely similar views about the

00:10:06.340 economy, I think, and a wide variety of social perspectives. In some ways, it's good to have a

00:10:15.520 large tent, but the lines can't become so blurred that nothing means anything anymore. I think that

00:10:22.280 is something which has kind of happened in the conservative movement. I'm curious about

00:10:26.740 your conservative beliefs and the relationship between that and your Catholicism and why you

00:10:32.700 were attracted to Catholicism. I mean, you're a young man. And so you're kind of a rare bird.

00:10:38.100 While you're probably the only one like you, a conservative Catholic, young animator.

00:10:44.420 So you'd be surprised there are more of us than you think, but we lurk in the shadows.

00:10:48.800 I believe that. So I was raised Catholic. If you can't tell from the hopelessly ethnic name,

00:10:55.600 I'm from an Irish Catholic family. And I was raised right outside of Chicago.

00:11:03.780 And my entire extended family lived in the inner city. And it was very large,

00:11:07.980 very large family. And so we would get together for family gatherings a lot. And they were almost

00:11:13.240 always, they almost always revolved around the church in some way. And so it was culturally

00:11:18.680 instilled in me, but more importantly, my parents were true believers and they did what they could

00:11:24.020 to ensure that I would be a true believer as well. Now, unfortunately, at some point the world gets

00:11:29.400 its claws on you. And in my teens, I would say I very much fell away from my face. And I believe

00:11:38.720 in my very late teens, like when I was 19, I maybe even told my brother at some point that

00:11:44.200 I was functionally an atheist. I was kind of going through the motions. I didn't really accept it in

00:11:50.340 my heart. And at the time, I thought that it's because I was reading all of these good arguments

00:11:56.800 for atheism. But in retrospect, a lot of it was a desire, I think, on a subconscious level to

00:12:02.640 justify the life that I was living. Because as it is said, you either live what you believe or

00:12:06.800 believe what you live. And I was sort of going to church as fire insurance. But I don't know that I

00:12:14.320 in fact, I do know that I didn't really hold the values in my heart because I would just sin. And

00:12:18.900 then I would tell myself, you know, I can go to confession, I'll be forgiven. It's fine. I would

00:12:22.840 continually presume upon God's mercy. And when you don't respect God, inevitably, you stop believing

00:12:28.120 at him. And so when I was about 20, I won't get too into detail, but I had an experience that was

00:12:37.420 traumatic for me. And that's when it clicked that bad things can happen to me, which is something

00:12:45.700 that many young men don't realize. And I certainly didn't. And then you put it together that a bad

00:12:51.880 thing can happen to me. And if bad things can happen to me, because I'm made of the same stuff

00:12:55.000 everyone else is, then the worst possible thing could happen to me. I could end up in hell for

00:13:00.200 all of eternity. And that's when I really began to seriously consider that. And also when I was

00:13:05.620 in the midst of this frightening situation, I genuinely believe the blessed virgin was there

00:13:10.280 for me. So at this point, I really started taking my faith. Sorry. Can you pause for a sec? So I'm

00:13:18.100 not, uh, I'm not super familiar. I mean, my dad is my dad, but I'm not super familiar with

00:13:22.760 the intricacies of of religion or catholicism so when you said you believed the blessed virgin

00:13:29.580 was there for you what does that mean so i'm trying i don't want to get too much into detail

00:13:34.060 about the specifics of the circumstance but my brother was there with me and he started praying

00:13:39.840 a hell mary prayer and you could say that in large part it solved the problem i wish i could

00:13:48.260 be more detailed than that interesting that's very interesting i had i can talk about this

00:13:55.420 because i haven't talked about it before but i grew up with dad so we i learned a lot about the

00:14:00.240 like psychological significance of the bible the youtube series on um and it was always

00:14:06.380 kind of through that lens like metaphors uh and then i had i had like way too many really absurd

00:14:15.060 experiences that I couldn't wrap my head around where I was like, my life doesn't make any,

00:14:20.660 this doesn't make any sense.

00:14:21.660 This doesn't make any sense.

00:14:22.700 This is too weird, like too coincidental.

00:14:25.100 And that happened for like five years, like every day.

00:14:29.300 And I had, and then some like rough, had some rough experiences over the summer.

00:14:35.700 And about a month ago, I would say, I think I can say this.

00:14:40.780 I would say I found God, which I have, which I haven't before.

00:14:45.060 like i didn't i definitely haven't before and it was very sudden and it was when i was um anyway

00:14:52.980 what i've been doing for the last i'm pretty new to this and what i've been doing for the last like

00:14:57.140 month or so is reading the bible and praying good for you and i guess in a way that's more like

00:15:02.200 protestant probably uh and it's been the like amount of peace that i've had i haven't had before

00:15:11.440 yeah it's completely absurd i can't believe it like so i was looking forward to talking to you

00:15:19.020 because my mom practices catholicism and i haven't really understood it very well because

00:15:22.840 i felt like part of it was kind of i don't want to say vindictive but i felt like there was a

00:15:29.180 punishing element to it so that if you do something wrong it's like you know repent and

00:15:33.680 kind of punish yourself and i feel like with my type of brain i do and i have enough guilt in me

00:15:39.780 that I punished myself enough for anything. I meet maybe even don't even do that wrong.

00:15:45.740 So I was like, I wasn't very attracted to the whole Catholicism thing. Cause I thought there

00:15:49.320 was a punishment element. So I was interested in talking to you to like, learn a little bit

00:15:54.220 more about it. Yeah. Um, I certainly, I have some thoughts on the punishment element, but was

00:15:59.240 I'm curious. Can I ask about your experience first? Yeah. Uh, what would, so when you said

00:16:06.300 you felt you discovered God? What was that? Was it just like in a single moment you realized that

00:16:11.180 things just lined up too well? Or, uh, it was like, I had this one day where I was worrying

00:16:16.520 about a number of, there were like four really important and I'm not going to get into details

00:16:21.740 either. Like you did, but like really, I get it for really important parts of my life that,

00:16:27.720 and all of them were going really badly. Like in ways where I was like, what am I,

00:16:32.640 am I not trying hard enough? Like what more can I do? I can't do more to fix these four major

00:16:38.240 problems. And then, um, I met somebody, I was going to check out Austin to see if I wanted to

00:16:44.880 stay in Austin for the winter, which I don't, but, um, I met somebody there and he's Christian

00:16:51.760 and he was like, well, how are you managing with all these problems? And I was like, I'm not

00:16:56.260 managing well, I'm really not managing well, like I'm working and I'm keeping it together,

00:17:00.600 but I don't feel good. And I used to be like clinically depressed and I, and I wasn't

00:17:06.240 depression. I just wasn't feeling good. And he was like, well, that's why you need God.

00:17:09.860 And I said, okay, well, that's fine and dandy. You know, it's nice when somebody comes up to

00:17:15.700 you and is like, well, you need God because that's, how are you supposed to wrap your head

00:17:19.600 around that? So I was like, well, I don't know. Like, yeah, okay. Maybe that sounds great,

00:17:23.320 but I don't know how to get there. And he said, just beg for him to reveal himself to you. Like

00:17:28.880 ask him to that's what he said ask him to reveal himself to you and so i went home that night and

00:17:33.340 i was and i was pretty upset about like these four major problems and i was in bed so i was praying

00:17:40.020 like seriously praying like please give me some sort of sign please reveal himself to you

00:17:45.320 and the next day all four problems cleared up in ways that i like made sense it was a lot like they

00:17:53.660 could have cleared up but the likelihood of all four of them clearing up randomly that day was

00:17:57.940 just too much. So that happened. And I also woke up with this sense of calm. I hadn't felt like

00:18:02.900 the sense of calm right here. And that was enough. I was like, okay, that's good. And that's good

00:18:08.040 enough for me. So it was kind of like a click there, which is different for me because I think

00:18:13.840 I've been talking about on the podcast a little bit and bringing people on and talking to my mom,

00:18:18.200 but nothing clicked. So it was really sudden click. And then everything was great for about

00:18:24.360 two weeks. So I was praying, I was reading the Bible. I was like, this is fantastic. Everything's

00:18:28.500 working out. And then two weeks later, I was like, just a little bit, just this one little thought

00:18:33.900 that was like, well, you know, am I being silly? There are actual like more, more logical explanations

00:18:40.640 for why things turned around. And that happened. And then I had two just miserable days. So it was

00:18:46.980 like, it was really, it was just two miserable days. And it was like, what is happening? Why do

00:18:51.520 I feel this like existential horror again, which I would differentiate from depression

00:18:56.760 because I've been depressed before.

00:18:58.060 This was really like existential angst.

00:19:00.040 Yeah.

00:19:00.980 And so then I, I think I, I went back.

00:19:07.040 It's not like I'd stopped reading the Bible or stopped praying, but I was just a little

00:19:11.140 bit more removed from it.

00:19:12.540 And so I went back to it and then I had the most wild dream.

00:19:18.500 So I was, I was talking to my parents about this and being like, I think I found God,

00:19:21.880 like, isn't that crazy?

00:19:24.680 And, uh, I went to sleep that night and I woke up at five 30 in the morning and I had

00:19:29.560 a dream.

00:19:31.680 I think I can, I think I'm allowed to talk about this stuff, but I had a dream and this

00:19:35.580 loud thundering voice just yelled, do it in the dream.

00:19:39.660 And I woke up at five 30 in the morning and was like, I think I just got yelled at by

00:19:44.580 God.

00:19:44.980 I think that just happened.

00:19:46.300 That's what it felt like.

00:19:47.500 what does that mean? What does it mean? So I had kind of a rough morning. It was like,

00:19:51.060 I don't know what this means. Is that really what happened? Um, and, and then it occurred to me that

00:19:58.520 I think what it meant was just go all in. Don't do this like 75% in anyway. So it's been a wild

00:20:04.920 month. I'm doing really well. It's just, I'm like, I'm a little bit shocked. Yeah. I mean,

00:20:10.360 that's incredible. I would say there's a few things to watch out for. As you move through

00:20:16.900 your path as a Christian, just know that there are going to be many ups and downs. And you

00:20:22.500 mentioned feeling a profound peace. And that's instructive because the world can give you many

00:20:29.160 things, but it can't give you peace. That kind of peace can only come from God. And it's important

00:20:38.260 to remember, however, now while I believe firmly that you're going to be happier living a Christian

00:20:44.480 lifestyle, because you're going to be doing the things God made you to do. Many of the holiest

00:20:50.160 saints had very difficult lives and were very miserable, but there was a joy in their misery

00:20:56.380 because they understood that this was for something greater. And just the fact that

00:21:00.640 they were doing the will of God, the fact that it was God's will for them to be miserable

00:21:04.340 was enough for them to rejoice in their own misery. And so we'll see, that might take me

00:21:10.020 a little bit of time to get to, it might take me a little bit of time to get to, too. It's tough.

00:21:14.120 it's tough and one thing I have found uh that has helped me spiritually is like just when you're

00:21:23.220 suffering or when you're miserable thank God for letting you suffer thank God for showing you that

00:21:31.020 misery because a it shows you how much you need him but be those closest to him will suffer the

00:21:38.480 most. I mean, look at his only begotten son. Um, so we should expect suffering as Christians and

00:21:45.560 you know, it's, it's easy to put like when things are going well, we want to praise God and that's

00:21:48.800 good because we should. Um, and when things are going really bad, it's also important to remember

00:21:53.220 that this is the author of all things. And the reason I'm going through this is because he wants

00:21:57.960 it to make me better. And so I would just advise you that as you start to move through the spiritual

00:22:03.840 life and things get really difficult, thank him, thank him for the troubles, because that means

00:22:09.420 that means he's calling you to a real relationship with him. You know, I mean,

00:22:14.060 he's calling you to a relationship where you suffer for him, which is what love is fundamentally.

00:22:21.060 And that's not, by the way, the way I worded that might've come off as if I was suggesting

00:22:25.000 you don't have a real relationship now, that's not at all what I'm saying. But when he calls you

00:22:31.300 to that kind of suffering it's just strengthen your connection to him and your love for him

00:22:38.940 okay dad any comments are you just listening

00:22:44.540 well there's a i hope i've got this right it's been a long time since i thought about this but

00:22:51.920 and so apologies if i get it wrong but

00:22:55.080 when christ comes back in revelation

00:23:02.840 he comes back as a judge essentially and carl jung's comment on that was

00:23:11.400 quite interesting is that the christ presented in the gospels the merciful element is emphasized but

00:23:20.640 it's both mercy and justice are

00:23:25.620 pinnacle moral principles and they're opposed to one another to some degree justice means the

00:23:33.340 imposition of the necessary rules and mercy means forgiveness for transgressing against them let's

00:23:38.900 say and so you have to use mercy and justice continually say when you're dealing with children

00:23:44.520 because you want them to um live according to a high moral standard but of course they're going

00:23:50.340 to fail and so you have to forgive and so there's this balance between mercy and justice that seems

00:23:57.220 necessary if you forgive everything then there are no standards by which to live and if you impose

00:24:04.960 the law stringently to the letter then everyone is doomed because everybody fails and so there's

00:24:15.340 this constant balance anyways jung said that believed that christ did the gospels was primarily

00:24:24.420 presented as a figure of mercy and that needed a balance to make the image of perfection complete

00:24:31.400 and so the justice element is emphasized in revelation and one of the things christ says

00:24:40.700 is that i know your works that you are neither hot nor cold i could wish that you were cold or hot

00:24:51.140 um and then it continues give me one more second here so because yeah well it's even more it's it's

00:25:03.120 more uh what would you say direct than that so because you are lukewarm and neither hot nor cold

00:25:12.220 i will spew the out of my mouth and the spew it really means something like vomit and it's it's

00:25:20.840 it's a an illusion to disgust and so it's a very interesting idea is that the the people for whom

00:25:31.280 the most severe judgment is reserved yeah aren't the committed sinners or the committed saints

00:25:38.340 they're the people in the middle who sort of play both ends against the middle who won't commit

00:25:43.180 and so it's possible Michaela that that voice in your dream this method of dream interpretation by

00:25:53.100 the way is called amplification and and it's a Jungian technique and so you know your imagination

00:26:00.560 presented this to you as something akin to a personal revelation and so this is a

00:26:07.400 amplification with a more impersonal revelation it's don't play both ends against the middle

00:26:14.360 right commit commit to what you're doing fully and that's perhaps now it isn't clear what that

00:26:21.620 meant because the dream wasn't that specific you have to work that out for yourself

00:26:25.800 um you know when you're doing something halfway well that's not perhaps that's not for the best

00:26:35.460 so it didn't even feel like halfway though it felt like 75 or 80 at that point and i think

00:26:42.920 that was that wasn't good it was like a hundred or nothing exactly that's what that felt like

00:26:47.680 you know christ didn't 80 die on the cross for you you know he went and did it and we have to

00:26:54.020 love him. He, he did not hedge his bets with us. I mean, he loves us so radically that he gave his

00:27:01.580 life up on the cross. He died on the cross for us. And for us to see that and respond by saying,

00:27:08.380 let me hedge my bets is obviously unbelievably insulting. And so I think it makes sense for

00:27:16.680 the lukewarm to be spit out. And that's sort of how you could describe me because like I said,

00:27:20.440 i was going to church at this time and i said i believe i mean i still identified as catholic but

00:27:28.160 again i remember telling my brother at one point i was functionally an atheist so i was approached

00:27:33.500 i was probably more towards the cold end but i think lukewarm would be a fair description

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00:28:43.520 so i hope you enjoy the rest of this episode well i want to hear more about i know i'm going to

00:28:49.120 deflect the conversation to some degree but i want to hear more about the work that you're doing

00:28:53.440 online and and and your animation and and what effect you've had that's had on people and

00:29:00.380 where what you're planning on doing with that so who all who all do you imitate

00:29:04.460 you do ruben everybody so the thing with ruben is my ruben impression is one of my most popular

00:29:09.800 but i don't think it's good um the video i did on him i wrote it as a writing exercise because

00:29:15.280 there were a bunch of other impressions i wanted to do and i was like well where would all these

00:29:18.920 people all these like conservative or conservative adjacent or idw figures who i was impersonating

00:29:24.000 like where would they be and like of course they would be on dave ruben's shell so i just put him

00:29:28.320 there as a framing device and i didn't have any lines for him to say uh so i just had him say i

00:29:32.580 agree uh with with everything they said and i just the reason he said that is because i think he hits

00:29:37.920 his g's kind of funny and i just was the only thing i had for an impression or you just go

00:29:41.840 i agree with that i agree and so he just does that over and over a while ago i recorded a video

00:29:50.180 it was actually about two years ago so i did a video making fun of dave rubin

00:29:53.700 um and i went way harder on him than i meant to i really did not mean to be that mean but people

00:29:59.880 in the comments were like, man, like you really got him. And I was like, oh no, like my goal was

00:30:03.620 not to tear the dude apart, but he had a really good sense of humor about it. Welcome to the Rubin

00:30:07.780 Report. I'm your host, Dave Rubin. The regressive left has abandoned liberal values. The left is no

00:30:15.840 longer liberal. They're regressive. The road to hell is paved with regressive intentions,

00:30:24.520 Regressive, regressive, PC culture, regressive, regressive left.

00:30:30.700 Today's non-regressive guest from the non-regressive left here to talk about the regressive PC leftist culture

00:30:38.240 is noted non-regressive, Sam, the non-regressive man Harris.

00:30:44.340 How does it feel to be non-regressive today, Sam?

00:30:47.640 At the present moment, the most crucial point for us to focus on is...

00:30:53.680 I agree with that.

00:30:57.320 Uh, you didn't let me finish.

00:30:59.740 Regressive.

00:31:01.540 I agree with that.

00:31:04.560 Honestly, Dave, if you believe that you can just agree with your guests on everything they say, you're totally...

00:31:07.900 I agree with that.

00:31:10.500 It's like if you're not embodying the mythos of the archetypal hero by metaphorically dying,

00:31:15.420 you're never going to kill the snake, man, let alone rescue your father from the underworld.

00:31:20.240 Who has a billion of anything?

00:31:22.480 Nobody.

00:31:22.900 it's absurd I agree with that I hope you're doing well Dave I agree with that

00:31:35.440 okay so you're agreeing with me Dave but you haven't actually given me an

00:31:39.220 explanation for why you agree the regressive left okay I'm sorry to

00:31:43.900 interrupt but Dave how attractive was your single mother did she leave you

00:31:50.320 take care.

00:31:53.180 I

00:31:53.740 agree.

00:31:56.700 Anita Sarkeesian

00:31:58.160 spent 17 billion

00:32:00.700 dollars on a

00:32:02.160 30-second video where she says

00:32:04.520 the word feminism four

00:32:06.440 times. After promising

00:32:08.600 her donor she could get the video

00:32:10.500 done in- I

00:32:11.700 agree

00:32:13.380 with that. Honestly, gang, I knew this was

00:32:16.420 happening. He was agreeing with all of us.

00:32:18.160 This is clearly not an honest person that we're dealing with.

00:32:23.160 I view him truly as a bad actor.

00:32:26.040 Well, that depends on what your definition of truth is, Sam.

00:32:29.080 Oh, not this again.

00:32:30.280 So, I'm not the only one he agrees with?

00:32:34.820 Okay, folks, clearly, as I've mentioned, he's been agreeing with all of us on everything

00:32:37.840 when he should only be agreeing with me on everything, okay?

00:32:40.860 If you think we're ever going to be doing your show again after this,

00:32:44.120 you are sorely mistaken, Buster Brown.

00:32:45.760 My gosh! What you have done here today cuts to the depth of my soul and strips me of my faith in human virtue.

00:32:53.620 I may have brought humanity a thousand years forward in moral philosophy, but you've set it back two thousand.

00:33:00.360 I can't think of anyone more likely to have been spanked as a child.

00:33:04.060 Good luck finding new people to interview, you Oedipal tyrant.

00:33:09.520 And he brought me, like, a year, I think two years ago, maybe three years ago now, I was out in L.A.

00:33:15.760 we recorded a sequel video to it which we still have not finished or released um but in the sequel

00:33:20.960 video i had to do my impression of dave rubin to dave rubin's face and it was like a really mean

00:33:24.640 impression uh i was like this is this is like i was like i deserve this i 100 deserve this i take

00:33:31.440 no joy in it um so as for my work you were asking which video is the most popular um i think the

00:33:41.200 The most popular is fighting Nazis then versus now. I can double check on that. But the basic

00:33:48.140 idea behind that video was you had all these lefties going around saying right-wingers are

00:33:52.420 all Nazis and calling them Nazis for things, which my grandfather, who fought in the Second World War,

00:34:00.360 believed. There are some things where you can argue, okay, when it comes to some of the people

00:34:05.660 get labeled Nazis. Like if they're, you know, if they're into racial politics in that way,

00:34:11.400 or they're, you know, white nationals, then you sort of, sort of understand the comparisons,

00:34:15.420 but often people will get called Nazis for things like being against abortion or against gay

00:34:23.080 marriage or believing in two genders. I mean, for goodness sake, Dr. Peterson has been called one.

00:34:28.440 I'm sure I've been called one. Like these are just, this is just a term people throw around.

00:34:31.840 I haven't yet.

00:34:32.980 You haven't yet?

00:34:34.160 No.

00:34:34.440 i don't know if i have to be honest but i i know that once as soon as you're but that just means

00:34:38.720 i'm not influential enough right like once you have a large enough platform that's just the mean

00:34:43.160 that's just the swear word people have for you so i just wanted to do this video because i was like

00:34:49.140 my grandfather and all the guys he fought alongside would be appalled by your lifestyle

00:34:55.720 you know choices and like the idea that you would call them a nazi for that was hilarious so i just

00:35:00.260 thought it'd be funny to do a cartoon where a bunch of lefties build a time machine and bring

00:35:03.820 these World War II veterans out of the war and into their own time and tell them, Nazis have

00:35:08.440 invaded America. Look what they're doing. And then they start describing all of the things that the

00:35:13.800 Nazis are doing. And the soldiers are like, that just makes sense. It's actually, I'm not sure how

00:35:18.700 much of it would make sense for me to spoil here, but one of the first jokes is they give them like

00:35:25.420 a Donald Trump pamphlet on his positions. And one of the soldiers goes, this guy's disgusting.

00:35:29.820 this guy thinks two men can get married um and the the left is like no no that's not what's wrong

00:35:34.820 with him um but like realistically if you're gonna try to compare yourself to the people who fought

00:35:39.180 in world war ii you should expect more conservative leaning social values so okay folks so as you know

00:35:46.500 nazism is on the rise and we need to stop them which is why i've invented a time machine

00:35:52.400 to bring back the people who defeated nazism in the first place perfect yes

00:35:57.460 Hey, this ain't Normandy

00:36:02.100 What gives? What year is it?

00:36:04.660 It's 2018

00:36:06.060 Why did you say that so weird?

00:36:09.400 Uh, sorry, force of habit

00:36:10.500 We brought you to the future because Nazism is on the rise in the US

00:36:14.360 And our president is sympathetic to them

00:36:18.160 What?

00:36:18.840 Here's a pamphlet with all his positions

00:36:22.140 Ah, this fella's disgusting

00:36:24.340 Right?

00:36:24.720 This poivert thinks two men can get married.

00:36:28.160 What?

00:36:28.720 Isn't that a man who cuts his dongle off is a woman?

00:36:32.420 Um...

00:36:33.020 Sounds more like a commie to me, but hey, same difference.

00:36:35.500 I'll kill either one.

00:36:36.480 Uh, that's not what's bad about him.

00:36:38.600 It gets weiss?

00:36:39.680 What else are these Nazis doing?

00:36:41.340 They believe there are only two genders.

00:36:44.340 Well, of course there's more than two genders.

00:36:46.340 Thank goodness.

00:36:47.360 Yeah, the Russians have their gender, the Germans have their gender,

00:36:50.380 the Japanese have their gender, everybody's got an agenda.

00:36:52.960 No, not a gender.

00:36:54.720 gender. What the hell is gender? Sounds like some kind of phony word popularized in the 50s to

00:37:00.860 create a false distinction between one identity and their biological sex. Am I in a ballpark here?

00:37:05.060 Your sex is whether you're male or female, but your gender is how you identify. So if you were

00:37:09.860 born a man but want to become a woman, your gender identity is as a woman and you therefore

00:37:15.240 are a woman. Know what? So you guys think men can be women? Well, that's the biggest crack of

00:37:20.780 nonsense i ever heard yeah none of this sounds like nazism to me well how about this he wants

00:37:27.740 people to pay for their own birth control oh no yeah birth control is legal the guys who defeated

00:37:36.680 nazism are such nazis you know i don't like you pinkos going around telling people you're fighting

00:37:43.860 nazis just because you berate everyone you disagree with you've never fought a nazi in your life and

00:37:48.980 to claim otherwise is stolen valor.

00:37:51.300 Yeah, and you know what?

00:37:52.640 When actual Nazis come around,

00:37:54.100 no one's gonna want to fight them anymore

00:37:55.400 because you guys keep crying wolf.

00:37:57.180 Now let's go back and win ourselves a war.

00:37:59.700 You know, I almost don't want to anymore.

00:38:01.640 Wait, don't go.

00:38:03.580 We need you.

00:38:04.920 We need to say you're on our side

00:38:06.680 so we can convince the greater whole of society

00:38:09.780 to accept violence against dissidents

00:38:12.640 who stand in the way of the social order

00:38:15.360 we seek to establish.

00:38:17.300 uh and how exactly are they the nazis because i call them nazis well you call men women so

00:38:27.540 and i struck a nerve because it racked up i think like two and a half million views

00:38:30.820 and then the other one that was popular was just me making fun of ben shapiro

00:38:36.000 um so you've supported like this really racist idea that health care should not be for free

00:38:47.800 And I just wanted to ask about that.

00:38:50.280 Okay, so here's how this works, gang.

00:38:51.660 Honestly, if you can't see that a universal healthcare system is bad for America,

00:38:54.640 you're wasting my time, okay?

00:38:56.160 Okay, folks, so the healthcare cost crisis didn't actually begin

00:38:58.820 until the government got involved by creating Medicare and Medicaid

00:39:01.020 because when you artificially stimulate demand,

00:39:03.040 there's no incentive to lower price.

00:39:04.600 Not to mention, you are not entitled to the product of somebody else's labor.

00:39:07.880 That's called slavery, gang, okay?

00:39:09.600 This is what would actually happen under a universal healthcare system.

00:39:12.720 Here's what a single-payer healthcare system would actually do, okay, folks?

00:39:15.800 it would actually make doctors literal slaves who would have to live in cabins on a plantation

00:39:20.600 somewhere all right folks and the idea and the idea that doctors are just your slaves who can

00:39:27.040 you can you know marry without their consent and then make half doctor half regular people babies

00:39:31.680 with okay well then what happens to the babies are they now doctors are they slave doctors who

00:39:35.360 have to be doctors are they free like now what gang okay so that's why that system would just

00:39:39.020 never work. But I should just get healthcare. I should just get it for free. And that's how you

00:39:49.220 talk to a leftist. How does Ben Shapiro feel about that? He's been very cool. He's been very

00:40:01.400 cool about it so later on he did a video he did a video reviewing my video and then i did a video

00:40:12.520 of cartoon him reviewing the video of him reviewing my video so we just got a couple layers deep with

00:40:17.300 it but he's very cool he was watching the video he was laughing it's like hey honestly i'm gonna

00:40:21.680 be real freedom is actually fantastic uh outlet and they make very funny cartoons so you go check

00:40:25.760 them out go to freedomtons.com right now okay folks they're fantastic go subscribe youtube.com

00:40:29.040 slash freedom chance. These are fantastic guys. I love them. Uh, he's super cool about it. Super

00:40:33.220 cool. I've never met him, but every time he's encountered my work, he's had a good sense of

00:40:37.300 hearing about it. He shared it. He's praised it. So he's been, he's been very cool. I've met him

00:40:42.380 and that sounded quite a bit like him. Honestly, if we cover the camera, maybe we'll, we'll say

00:40:48.160 he's here. Yeah. That was, that was, uh, quite interesting hearing that coming out of your

00:40:52.800 mouth so quickly thank you thank you yeah i'll take it as a compliment i will add a couple of

00:40:59.180 clips into the podcast so that people can see what we're talking about i like the thanksgiving

00:41:04.140 dinner one happy thanksgiving thanksgiving thanksgiving okay folks who made these cranberries

00:41:08.600 honestly these are the worst cranberries i've ever tasted i made them and it's actually extremely

00:41:12.240 impolite for you to insult my cooking on thanksgiving okay folks our taste buds don't

00:41:15.540 care about your feelings okay okay gang well if you want to make your own cranberries feel free

00:41:18.560 but you're not entitled to free food and the idea that you would complain over quality of service

00:41:21.560 when you're receiving it for free is just ridiculous, okay?

00:41:23.560 Okay, can somebody please pass the mashed potatoes, folks?

00:41:25.940 Actually, these are my mashed potatoes, okay?

00:41:27.640 I made them myself, and they're therefore the product of my own labor.

00:41:29.840 And the idea, and the idea, and the idea that you feel it's acceptable

00:41:33.220 to put a gun to my head and force me not only to give you the mashed potatoes,

00:41:35.580 but to actually have me pass them to you as well is absolutely asinine, okay?

00:41:38.840 Okay, well, that would be a solid argument if not for the fact

00:41:40.660 that you're eating asparagus, which I made, okay?

00:41:42.600 Ben, how could you seriously not pass the mashed potatoes

00:41:44.420 after taking her asparagus?

00:41:45.460 Is it my fault she gave it away for free and lost all leverage?

00:41:47.800 I'm trying to teach my child how to compete and succeed within the free market, okay, folks?

00:41:50.660 I didn't realize I was surrounded by communists.

00:41:53.120 I have the mashed potatoes and asparagus because I make good decisions, okay, folks?

00:41:56.420 Honestly, Ben, you're the last person to get smart with me

00:41:58.100 considering you're the only one in the family to be born with an IQ lower than 300.

00:42:01.060 Okay, well, you know what, Auntie?

00:42:02.100 Believe it or not, some people consider an IQ of 215 to be relatively impressive, all right, folks?

00:42:06.040 Sorry I'm late, folks.

00:42:06.700 I had more important things to take care of.

00:42:08.000 I'm actually a doctor.

00:42:08.720 She's a doctor, folks.

00:42:09.420 His wife's a doctor, folks.

00:42:10.020 She's a doctor, folks.

00:42:10.500 My wife's a doctor.

00:42:11.320 Did you bring the turkey?

00:42:13.020 Gobble, gobble.

00:42:14.200 Socialism works.

00:42:18.560 That one was a lot of fun to make.

00:42:20.220 It was actually, I think it was a friend who originally suggested that they're like, you should do something where like, it's just everyone is him. And it was so irresistible that I had to, and I did it. And Shapiro tweeted it. Like the day I uploaded it, Shapiro said, this is a documentary. And tweeted that out. So he's very cool about it. And yeah, I think, I've mentioned this before, the work has changed a bit over the years.

00:42:48.080 it started, I started again as like a hardcore libertarian and I was making stuff that I thought

00:42:51.900 was funny and was promoting my values. But I think I put much more emphasis on like,

00:42:56.540 this has to be an educational thing. And we still do educational cartoons. Um, I was doing like a

00:43:01.420 lot of research last week on some really dark stuff for a couple of videos. Um, but over time

00:43:09.320 it's changed. Um, and I think over time it's also become more informed by my faith. And I also think

00:43:15.060 it's become funnier. I think I probably like the last year or two, I've more found my voice as a

00:43:20.080 cartoon writer and I've gotten more comfortable just like getting really zany and crazy with it.

00:43:26.200 So I'm, I'm really happy with like where we're at in the direction we're taking it in. And I have

00:43:30.100 to say, I have some like fantastic people helping me with these, the, like the, the fact that my

00:43:35.880 team, like it's something that's not obvious to people who aren't animators, but getting a video

00:43:41.620 done per week sometimes two done per week while also like managing other client work like the

00:43:46.380 fact that my team is able to do that i say this completely unironically i think i actually have

00:43:51.200 the best team of low budget animators probably in the world like it's it's unbelievable um what

00:43:58.080 we've been able to achieve together and a lot of that is just because i can depend on them and

00:44:02.620 they're all very talented so it started with just me animating this stuff by myself and like maybe

00:44:06.680 my one of my buddies um would help with like lip syncing and stuff but now it's it's probably over

00:44:13.720 the past like this last year is when i've got a lot more people on board um and it's yeah no it's

00:44:19.840 it's it's been like i said a huge blessing i and by the way are you wearing white after labor day

00:44:25.120 i just realized i can't is that like there are a lot of rules like catholics with their rules

00:44:30.420 it's not for vestments what's wrong with white it's a joke it's like is that an american thing

00:44:36.840 i've just heard people it's an american thing yeah what is it people say you can't wear white

00:44:41.720 after labor no one it's a weird thing that people say but that like no one does it's not an actual

00:44:46.180 rule it's just literally just the thing people say and is it just the day after i think it's in

00:44:51.880 general but then it's like every it's always after labor day technically so yes i'm wearing white

00:44:59.280 after labor day no i don't know what that means or represents the significance to your rebelling

00:45:03.580 okay are we doing the jordan peterson like the really the reason i wanted to talk to you was

00:45:11.600 for the imitation i i said it was all i'm good for but it's really the i'm just waiting for the

00:45:17.880 jvp imitation hold on a second as uncomfortable as humanly possible i appreciate that you know

00:45:25.000 no comfort comfort can kill the soul and suffering is good for you i think that's right we're not

00:45:30.280 called we're not called to comfort we're called to greatness as benedict the 16th said when he

00:45:35.560 was rat singer um man this is a tough one so this is no more questions about my work you're just

00:45:41.680 going to launch into my impression okay well someone in the comments asked and i saw you put

00:45:50.040 that tweet out what questions should i ask him and one of the comments was to ask me to review

00:45:56.220 shrek 2 as jordan peterson yes okay that's a fantastic question

00:46:02.960 all right i didn't know i was gonna have to do it in front of him i was hoping i could hide here

00:46:10.180 but we'll do it we'll do it we'll give it a go you know

00:46:13.200 it's like what is shrek and that's that's pretty straightforward question like he's an ogre he

00:46:22.900 lives in a swamp he doesn't have any friends so he's he's not much different from you roughly

00:46:28.020 speaking and and shrek too which is a very old story he has to go off to far far away to meet

00:46:36.380 his new in-laws it's like you may think meeting in-laws is a cakewalk man but it is not especially

00:46:42.040 if you're an ogre. And so what does Shrek do? Well, he brings his friend donkey. And why is

00:46:48.720 that? Why is it that he's always hanging around with a donkey? Well, because when you're an ogre

00:46:54.380 who spends all of your time in the swamp, your only friend is going to be an ass.

00:47:01.240 When they went to far, far away, Shrek discovered through his adventures that unlike in the first

00:47:07.860 film sometimes when people reject him it's his own fault and that if you really try and you really

00:47:15.980 work at yourself just for a moment you can go from an ogre to a prince

00:47:21.340 hey that was pretty good and right on the spot there too thank you yeah well it's a very strange

00:47:31.900 experience to hear my voice coming out of someone else's mouth i have a bit of an irish accent in

00:47:37.680 your version of me is that oh no that means i'm doing the canadian accent poorly well maybe not

00:47:42.600 maybe maybe that's just an element of it that i can't hear but yeah exactly i want to hear more

00:47:48.180 of these i definitely impersonate some other figures it's it's it can be hard for me to think

00:47:51.880 off the top of my head some other internet people politicians if you just want to like throw some

00:47:55.680 my way i'll let you know trump trump okay first of all some people are saying that i didn't invent

00:48:04.560 the masks. First of all, I invented the mask. Frankly, some of you would look much better in a

00:48:09.600 mask. Wouldn't some of you? I think Nancy Pelosi would look much better in a mask. Don't you think

00:48:14.140 she'd look much better in a mask, folks? And then everyone in the audience applauds and loses their

00:48:18.480 mind. She would look much better in a mask. Maybe I need a different job. Here's the thing,

00:48:26.940 Michaela. Yeah? The real difficult day is going to be when I have to do my Trump impression in

00:48:32.020 front of trump if that ever happens because that's it that's it yeah he'll destroy me he'll be like

00:48:38.160 sleepy seamus makes his stupid cartoons making fun of me because i'm successful and he's not

00:48:47.640 i just he'll rip me apart

00:48:49.700 okay thank you you're welcome we can like that i mean we can end the podcast now realistically

00:48:58.320 I mean, if look, if you want to get away from me, I understand.

00:49:01.900 That's what I wanted out of this podcast.

00:49:05.060 Dad, dad, do you have more questions?

00:49:07.560 I was just going to ask what sort of impact Seamus thinks his cartoons have had on people.

00:49:14.780 What function have you served as far as you can tell?

00:49:19.100 That's a good question.

00:49:20.480 So I think that I have, it depends on the kind of stuff we're talking about,

00:49:26.560 like the freedom tune stuff specifically. I think I've helped people to know more so than anything

00:49:32.900 else that they're not insane. Um, that there are other people who feel this way and sort of see

00:49:39.240 the world for what it is rather than what they're told to believe by the dominant media culture.

00:49:44.200 And that it's, it's okay to laugh at some of this stuff and you kind of have to.

00:49:49.940 Um, and I think I've also done things like I've educated, uh, a good amount. We we've done a

00:49:55.700 number of educational videos talking about Planned Parenthood and a lot of the myths they propagate

00:50:00.500 and debunking things like that. So I think that contribution has been good as well. Most recently,

00:50:06.120 I think what we've done is just make people laugh over things that would normally make them cry and

00:50:09.980 maybe give them a break from the unbridled punishment that paying attention to politics is.

00:50:19.560 No more questions on my end.

00:50:21.620 well thank you so much thank you so much this has been fantastic that was really interesting

00:50:28.000 yeah then thank you dad it was a pleasure meeting you it was a pleasure meeting you as well it was

00:50:32.840 a pleasure meeting and i might i may have to ask for a cameo from you at some point in the future

00:50:37.580 oh that can likely be arranged yes for the freedom tunes channel we'll see yes dun dun dun um where

00:50:47.400 can people find you if they're not familiar with your work that's a good question so youtube.com

00:50:51.960 slash freedom tunes and that's t-o-o-n-s o-o-n-s like cartoons some people i see it spelled like

00:50:59.560 musical cartoons o-o-n-s um so youtube.com slash freedom tunes and i'm on twitter at

00:51:06.100 shamus underscore coghlin which is really easy to spell so people will figure that out um if you

00:51:12.440 just want to like put a link to that in the description that would probably i will do that

00:51:16.040 be better. Seamus Coughlin. Yeah. Wow. That you must've had a rough time growing up.

00:51:20.580 You know what I did? I did, but it shaped me into the man that I am today. And I also regularly do

00:51:27.840 Tim Poole's podcast, um, Tim cast IRL. So I I'm on there quite a bit as well. Um, I have another

00:51:35.080 channel. I have this channel called political vlog that I don't upload too often enough. It's

00:51:39.400 probably been like a year. And so my fans get very angry, but if you kind of want to see what

00:51:42.560 few videos there are of me opining not being animated um then check that out too

00:51:47.280 okay but freedom tunes is the main one yeah well thank you very much for coming on that was fun

00:51:53.760 thank you i had a blast thank you

00:52:12.560 Thank you.

The Mikhaila Peterson Podcast - October 01, 2021

118. The Story of FreedomToons ft. Jordan Peterson

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