The Mikhaila Peterson Podcast - 131. Rollo Tomassi on the Mikhaila Peterson Podcast

00:00:00.000 So when I put something out like that, or if there's some kind of comparison to you to like,

00:00:04.680 say Casey Anthony, that's not my intent to do that, but that's what the audience wants to see.

00:00:10.380 You see what I'm saying? So maybe you're getting a wrong impression. So you're like, I'm not

00:00:13.920 trying to make you look like Casey Anthony. I just mentioned you in the same show as Casey Anthony.

00:00:20.420 Okay. I guess I just don't usually play into that. Like on my channel, I get the clickbaity stuff,

00:00:26.740 But if I'm like doing an indirect...

00:00:29.140 No, I really don't.

00:00:30.400 As you're doing it though.

00:00:31.500 No, I really don't.

00:00:33.000 I definitely have not made an indirect comparison

00:00:35.460 between someone and someone who murdered her child

00:00:37.740 and put her in a trunk.

00:00:42.400 Welcome to episode 131 of the Michaela Peterson podcast.

00:00:46.540 Last episode before 2022.

00:00:49.080 I thought I'd stick this episode in

00:00:51.380 as the last to close off a very weird year.

00:00:54.380 It's featuring Rolo Tomasi,

00:00:56.740 author of many books, including The Rational Male. I invited Roland to talk about his book

00:01:01.760 before finding out he'd done a somewhat nasty in-depth video about what he thinks my life is

00:01:06.320 like, which has about 160,000 views. And I decided to do the interview anyway, because there are a

00:01:11.900 lot of rumors out there about my life. And it's actually really annoying. There's a fairly large

00:01:16.900 group of people that think I dragged dad to Russia to detox him somehow, forced him on an

00:01:22.060 meat diet somehow took over his brand somehow party all the time hook up with people etc

00:01:26.820 none of those rumors are true which will be clarified more in my book but after watching

00:01:31.140 rollo's video not the entire thing with my dad because he was in nashville and i was setting up

00:01:36.300 courses to be filmed for him after hearing my dad's rather loud thoughts on rollo i decided

00:01:41.240 i'd definitely like to talk to him anyway clear away some of the muck surrounding my name hopefully

00:01:45.320 i hope you enjoy it and for any of you guys out there that still think i'm some evil human

00:01:49.580 praying off of my dad and who knows what else. Hopefully this clarification helps,

00:01:53.600 even though it probably wasn't needed, which I'm also aware of, but enough is enough. I wanted to

00:01:57.580 address these topics. I didn't edit this video other than removing about four seconds of us

00:02:01.840 talking about COVID and adding in clips. Before we get into probably the weirdest episode I've

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00:03:31.820 use promo code Peterson for 10% off. And now try to enjoy the episode. It was uncomfortable.

00:03:38.360 but very interesting. First of all, welcome to the podcast.

00:03:50.200 Thank you. Thanks for having me. I've wanted to talk to you for a while

00:03:54.280 because I heard about your book, you know, a long time ago, The Rational Male. I thought it'd be

00:03:58.920 interesting to talk to you. And so I invited you on last week after people from the Fresh and Fit

00:04:04.140 podcast said, you guys should talk. And it wasn't actually until it was two days later when I saw

00:04:10.980 that you'd put out a, that like four hour long video on me. I always do. And yeah, well, I thought,

00:04:18.420 so I thought what we should do, because I still want to talk about your book, but I thought we

00:04:22.700 should go over some of the points in the video, because I think that there's misrepresentation of

00:04:29.560 who I am on the internet. Uh, and so some of the things you talked about in the video

00:04:35.820 were out of order and weren't quite right. And so I wanted to go through that and then get to

00:04:41.760 your book. And I would also like to thank you for coming on and giving me the opportunity

00:04:46.580 to do this because I really do appreciate that. So let's start. I've got some notes here. I'm

00:04:54.420 prepared. I was a bit nervous, but I don't buy it. So sure. Sure. Okay. So in, I think it was

00:05:05.960 2019, you sent out a tweet. I believe it was 2019 sent out a tweet and it had kind of outlined

00:05:11.380 how you, and I think a number of people on the internet perceived my life. It was long,

00:05:17.440 20,000 people liked it. Right. Um, that wasn't me though. That was, I didn't put that out. It was,

00:05:23.760 uh, it was somebody, actually somebody linked me to that. And, um, so maybe you read that tweeted

00:05:29.280 it. Well, I didn't even think I retweeted it. I know I bookmarked it, but, um, it, but to your

00:05:35.500 point, yes, I use that in the video, uh, that I did what about three weeks, four weeks ago.

00:05:39.920 Okay. Okay. So that could have been, wasn't my, I didn't do that. I didn't compile all of that.

00:05:44.340 If that's what you think. Just so, just so you know, I was reading. No, that needed to be

00:05:47.800 clarified. Okay. Okay. Now this is from a Twitter thread that, um, that I was made familiar with.

00:05:53.760 not too long ago.

00:05:55.840 I guess it was in 2020.

00:05:58.220 This was going on.

00:06:00.000 Let me...

00:06:02.440 Does that work better?

00:06:03.960 I guess that works better.

00:06:04.960 Okay, here we go.

00:06:06.140 So I want to just give you a quick background here

00:06:08.900 of what led up to all of this.

00:06:12.140 And again, this is not a burn,

00:06:14.760 but I want you to see what the process is here, okay?

00:06:17.440 So this is the Jordan...

00:06:19.020 I did not do this.

00:06:20.140 I am not responsible for this.

00:06:21.420 I don't know who this guy is, Rational Disconnect,

00:06:22.980 But so Michaela started with the lion diet, which consists of only eating beef, salt and water.

00:06:30.760 Although this verges on an eating disorder, Michaela claimed that it cured many of her health problems.

00:06:36.640 As we have heard throughout all of these videos, she even announced that she stopped taking her medication, including an anti herpes drug.

00:06:44.960 OK, so what's that drug? That's this right here. You see that? There we go.

00:06:48.940 Okay. What he's mentioning is the Valtrex at the very bottom of that. Now, what is Valtrex? Valtrex is this. It is used to treat infections caused by a certain type of virus. In children, it is used to treat cold sores in the mouth, which is a herpes simplex, chickenpox.

00:07:06.900 In adults, it is used to treat shingles caused by herpes zoster, cold sores around the mouth, and is also used to treat outbreaks of genital herpes.

00:07:19.740 So that was what everybody was making a big deal out of back in the day.

00:07:23.860 So there you have that.

00:07:26.500 Then she then convinced her father to start her diet.

00:07:31.460 Soon after starting, Jordan reported that he stopped taking his antidepressants as well.

00:07:38.320 So you've got dad on antidepressants and you've got daughter on antidepressants.

00:07:43.000 This were part of the thread, throw that in there.

00:07:47.480 Now, this is where I wanted to get to.

00:07:49.360 OK, it was around this time that Peterson reported not being able to sleep for about

00:07:54.660 for 25 days straight while experiencing what an overwhelming sense of impending doom after

00:08:02.980 drinking some apple cider but it was just physical jesus i was so dead but i didn't want to not do

00:08:10.320 it apple cider like what was it what was it doing to you oh it it produced an overwhelming sense of

00:08:18.120 impending doom and i seriously been overwhelming like there's no way i could have lived like that

00:08:22.960 if that would have lasted for see mikaela knew by that point that it would probably only last a 0.75

00:08:27.700 month and i was like a month yeah a month fucking cider well i didn't sleep that that month i didn't 0.80

00:08:33.980 sleep for 25 days i didn't sleep at all i didn't sleep at all for 25 days how is that possible 0.92

00:08:39.280 i'll tell you how it's possible you lay in bed uh frozen in something approximating terror for 0.87

00:08:45.740 eight hours and then you get up oh my god oh yeah and this is from fucking cider from that's what 0.77

00:08:51.260 we thought yeah i mean look again i don't know what the hell i'm talking about okay i'm i'm ending 0.77

00:08:59.580 it there because that's where the clip ends okay if you want to see that also available on uh joe

00:09:06.000 rogan's show all right let's keep going it was because of this anxiety caused by a severe

00:09:10.880 autoimmune reaction to food quote unquote that uh jordan was prescribed benzo benzes okay

00:09:17.500 benzodiazepine which was uh increased after his wife was diagnosed with cancer this led to

00:09:24.580 peterson's developing a physical dependence on the medication and you can read this later i'll put

00:09:30.120 this in now why this is not to beat up on the the family here i know it probably sounds like i am but

00:09:37.120 i have to sort of lead up to this so you know where we're going when we get to the kill to party

00:09:41.300 dynamic here okay according to michaela after multiple failed rehabs attempt rehab attempts

00:09:46.600 she claims almost killed him, Peterson was moved to Russia for alternative treatments.

00:09:53.940 The unknown treatment put Peterson into a medically induced coma for eight days and

00:09:58.760 gave him neurological damage. So if you think that Peterson is not quite the same Peterson as he was

00:10:03.840 back in 2018, that might be why. Now, here we go. In the middle of her father's hospitalization,

00:10:12.580 Michaela left her husband and dad to travel around Romania with Andrew Tate.

00:10:19.480 His words, not mine.

00:10:21.340 A misogynist pickup artist, which is not, but and webcam pimp who runs a scam website and thinks that depression doesn't exist.

00:10:31.300 And of course, that's when you get the infamous picture here.

00:10:35.740 And you get the one that I showed you just not too long ago. 0.70

00:10:40.420 Where she's hanging out.

00:10:41.900 enjoying herself and i'm going to just throw this i'll throw this other one up here in just a second 0.91

00:10:46.880 um this is the infamous picture right there that doesn't look like a girl who's like

00:10:55.000 fearful that her dad's gonna die or worried about what her husband is thinking uh in any sense again

00:11:01.620 no hate on tate no hate on tate hate tate's gonna do what tate's gonna do however here you have

00:11:09.100 Michaela Peterson taking time out of her busy schedule and her father's medical regimen who's 0.85

00:11:13.760 in a medically induced coma to go to Romania and hang out with the Tates or at least him well we'll 0.60

00:11:20.680 come back to that home a little premature that's the one I want right there this is another one

00:11:24.940 again this is when everybody hits up on the Tates about like his connection with Michaela that's

00:11:30.340 what everybody gets to just throwing that out there side note Michaela's husband is from Russia

00:11:36.640 thus andre right um claims to be possessed by a demon named igor and is the one who helped

00:11:46.500 michaela get her dad into russia for those treatments next this time this entire time

00:11:53.200 michaela was charging people 50 to 600 for memberships to her diet website that offered

00:11:58.440 virtually nothing the site is now defunct for a second time and was basically just a support group

00:12:03.820 for people claiming that the diet cured them but does it work for anyone you guys can again that's

00:12:09.100 kind of immaterial to everything that's going on um well it apparently didn't work for her father

00:12:13.860 as we have already seen it didn't work for her because she admitted that she also took anti-anxiety

00:12:19.320 drugs while on her diet and it didn't help her mother who was diet who was on the diet and was

00:12:24.460 diagnosed with kidney cancer requiring two surgeries again that's immaterial to what we're

00:12:28.920 talking about here. And then last but not least, Peterson finished his treatment in Russia. They

00:12:34.880 went to Florida and eventually ended up in Serbia, where Michaela gave her entire family COVID,

00:12:40.840 hospitalizing Jordan yet again. And the crazy thing is that as far as I can tell, Jordan hasn't

00:12:47.080 talked directly to the media since in 2019. All updates have come through his daughter. Now that,

00:12:51.700 of course, this was back in 2020. So take that to be whatever you want it to be.

00:12:58.920 Well, a couple of things then, just in regards to your video a number of weeks ago.

00:13:04.200 So first, I think I should address the Andrew Tate situation.

00:13:09.420 So, tell my German story.

00:13:12.200 Now you're going to make it. 1.00

00:13:14.920 Listen, listen, she's a nice lady. 0.96

00:13:18.560 Nothing happened.

00:13:19.360 I spoke to her a bit.

00:13:20.840 She was in Germany, I think.

00:13:21.960 I said, hey, Germany's Romania is not so far away.

00:13:25.080 Come visit.

00:13:25.940 We'll go see some castles.

00:13:27.820 It'll be fun.

00:13:28.360 who'll jump in one of my 17 supercars.

00:13:31.080 And that's what we did.

00:13:32.040 That's the story. 1.00

00:13:33.000 Translation, I fucked the shit out of her. 1.00

00:13:34.120 No! 1.00

00:13:38.960 That's all it is.

00:13:39.800 She's a nice girl.

00:13:40.880 She's a nice girl.

00:13:41.920 And that's it.

00:13:43.840 I'm not really a fan of her dad's.

00:13:46.040 I know her dad said some smart stuff.

00:13:47.560 And I know he said some cool stuff.

00:13:48.600 I've seen a couple of clips.

00:13:49.440 I'm not a super fan of nothing.

00:13:50.560 I've never watched him from head to toe

00:13:51.880 or anything like that.

00:13:54.440 But yeah, it is what it is.

00:13:55.680 That's all it is.

00:13:56.600 I'm not gonna say any more than that.

00:13:58.000 Sorry, sorry to give a boring answer, but that's the answer.

00:14:01.280 There you go.

00:14:02.140 There's our good friend.

00:14:05.620 So before I went to Russia, this was October.

00:14:10.280 Before my dad was in the hospital, before I went to Russia, I was in Germany.

00:14:14.980 And Andrew Tate invited me to come see his house and talk business.

00:14:21.480 And he flew me over there for a day.

00:14:24.700 I was there for a day.

00:14:26.120 He was talking about starting a paywall, trying to figure out how to monetize content.

00:14:31.640 And then I flew home.

00:14:33.900 And so we took a couple of photos, ones in the cigar lounge.

00:14:38.500 But just because I flew over there and talked to him doesn't mean there was anything sexual

00:14:44.040 that occurred, which is what happened when the internet saw that photo.

00:14:48.320 Which of course is what Andrew has said on pretty much anytime I've talked.

00:14:52.380 I actually interviewed him right after that because of course everybody wants to know what

00:14:56.320 was going on. Right. So when you put something out at that time, um, that's what everybody's

00:15:02.380 going to say. And he's pretty much said exactly what you have said as well. So, um, I, in fact,

00:15:09.060 I think I even mentioned that I, I, I pointed it out in the fresh and fit video, as a matter of

00:15:13.180 fact, where they were interviewing him about that, about that, those, I guess there's a couple of

00:15:17.680 pictures. Um, but you got it. Probably there's a bit of inference that maybe something had

00:15:22.500 occurred. So I just wanted to set that straight. Right. So, so that's the first thing. Um, the

00:15:28.040 second thing is, can I, can I ask? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Um, so that was in October of 2019 and you

00:15:35.560 were in Germany, 2019. So you were already in Germany at that time or I'd, I'd been in Germany.

00:15:44.800 i'd flew from toronto to germany i was in germany for business and then on the way home i stopped

00:15:50.740 in romania for a day okay and then january i can't that might have been 2018 but he flew you out

00:16:00.460 there correct on the way back yes from germany to romania or all the way germany to romania and

00:16:08.660 Romania to Canada okay it's like I'm busy but I'll come see I was interested in what he's done

00:16:15.180 he's made a lot of money he's put things behind a paywall and I kind of wanted to learn he seems

00:16:20.420 like an interesting character so I thought that could be interesting were you aware what he does

00:16:24.260 for a living no he told me once he got there it's not like he was hiding anything how did you guys

00:16:31.140 like me so like online over instagram okay yeah during 2019 i guess i can't if that was 2019 or

00:16:42.620 2018 um that would have been 2018 october 2018 i think because 2019 it was january 2019

00:16:53.360 hopefully i'm getting the year right when i went to russia with my dad

00:16:57.180 yeah no sorry no 2019 is right and then it was 2020 we went to russia with dad so in your video

00:17:06.780 you said oh she brought her dad to russia and then while he was in the hospital went off and

00:17:11.160 you know partied with andrew tate which wasn't right because that was four months earlier three

00:17:14.780 months earlier i just wanted to clarify that well that's the information that i had available to me

00:17:21.100 yeah well he tweeted the photo out three or four months later but i mean photos can be taken

00:17:26.340 whenever, and then tweet it out later. Uh, so that's the first thing I wanted to address. And

00:17:32.880 then you, okay. So a couple of things, I think part of the reason, maybe it feels like you have

00:17:42.380 something against me, or you think I'm one of those women that doesn't want to have kids or

00:17:46.780 didn't want a kid in the first place. And going back to my Tom bill, you podcast, where I say,

00:17:52.600 having scarlet put a kibosh on my life i just wanted to clarify i did not mean having the kid

00:17:59.820 was the issue the best place to start to explain that is in a day and age where people are having

00:18:06.860 kids later and later and later in life you chose as a ambitious person as far as i can tell to have

00:18:13.600 kids in your 20s so why don't we start there how thoughtful was that was that accidental was it

00:18:18.900 something you put a lot of thought into oh that's an interesting place to start uh that is a very

00:18:24.520 complicated story actually uh scarlet was an accident so i was in university i'd done two

00:18:32.140 years in psychology and then i'd switched over to biomedical science and i was in my second year

00:18:36.700 and i got pregnant and i kept her because i couldn't emotionally handle any other option

00:18:47.080 Uh, and it was extremely stressful because I was, so I was 23 when I got pregnant and my life plan

00:18:58.720 was to have kids ideally before the age of 30. Um, but I'm also, like you said, very career

00:19:04.700 oriented and I was in my second year of university. So that was not ideal for, you know, when to have

00:19:09.900 a kid. But I decided to keep her and I ended up dropping out of university and then doing part

00:19:21.420 time work for my dad and which turned into full time work very rapidly when Scarlett was about

00:19:26.640 six months old. But the choice to have, I didn't really feel like I had a choice. I ended up when

00:19:36.420 i when i got healthy i stopped taking all my medication including birth control because you

00:19:41.120 were worried about what it was doing to you from a gut perspective yeah well not even from a from

00:19:46.800 a gut perspective but also from a psychological perspective like my mom told me that when she'd

00:19:52.000 gone on birth control it had made her severely depressed and she hadn't recognized that until

00:19:56.260 she stopped taking it and i kind of laughed that off but i started taking birth control when i was

00:20:02.340 14 and I was severely depressed. So hoop earrings, uh, duly noted. Thank you very much. Uh, Oh,

00:20:09.600 by the way, this interview is with, uh, what'd you say his name was, uh, Tom Bilyeu. That's what

00:20:13.580 it was. Uh, and this was from July 8th. I should have told you the date before I started this,

00:20:18.840 but this was on July 8th of this year. I thought, who cares if you add another pill on top of it,

00:20:24.120 I'm already depressed. Um, which was like an immature way of thinking about it, uh, as a

00:20:30.180 14 year old might, but when I was 23 and I stopped taking my medications and I got healthier, I was

00:20:36.300 like, I don't want anything impacting my mental function. And so I stopped taking birth control

00:20:41.080 just in case it was. And I do believe that I was having, um, I do believe it was causing

00:20:46.760 depression. Uh, but it wasn't the only thing in my life that was causing depression at that point,

00:20:52.460 but yeah, I did stop taking it. And that ended up resulting in Scarlett who I'm thrilled to have,

00:20:58.720 but it definitely put a bit of a kibosh on the direction I thought my life was going to take.

00:21:04.380 However, it ended up not being a negative thing. It ended up being a positive thing,

00:21:08.360 but it was scary. Yeah. There's a lot of interesting stuff in that. So one,

00:21:13.100 put a kibosh on my personal life. Sound like killed a party? Sure does to me.

00:21:18.100 Now I'm not saying she's going to kill her child. Obviously she's not. However,

00:21:21.940 that is the motivation. That's what I'm talking about is the hindrance factor.

00:21:27.700 I meant that I'd had this plan in my head where I went to university and was able to support

00:21:32.600 myself because of my university degree. And I chose to have Scarlett and had to rearrange my

00:21:38.060 life around that. But going back, I would not change that decision. I would have changed the

00:21:43.880 decision to get married because I wasn't in a good relationship. So it had nothing. It wasn't

00:21:50.940 scarlet that was the issue there. It was that I shouldn't have gotten married to someone I wasn't

00:21:58.300 supposed to be with. That wasn't a good match because that wasn't good for anybody.

00:22:04.700 That was the mistake. It wasn't scarlet. So I wanted to clarify that in case it sounded like 1.00

00:22:10.380 going back. Oh, I wouldn't have had a kid. So when, when I was covering that aspect of in that

00:22:16.060 show, when I was covering that aspect and I was looking at, was it Tom Bilyeu? I hope I'm saying

00:22:19.200 his name, right? Yeah. Um, I mean, in that episode, you mentioned that Scarlett was an accident

00:22:25.840 was like certainly an unplanned pregnancy. Let's just be honest. Um, so, and you were what? 23,

00:22:33.600 24 when that happened? Yeah. Yeah. So what I was doing with, again, I think a lot of people,

00:22:38.540 when they watch that, they think that I was making a hit piece or an attack piece on you.

00:22:42.740 I was trying to use you as well as Brittany Renner, was it Tommy Lahren, several other

00:22:50.200 examples as well.

00:22:51.340 You, your name happened to be one of them. 0.60

00:22:52.960 And it was illustrating an example of how children end up being a hindrance to a woman.

00:23:00.800 She wasn't, she wasn't a hindrance though.

00:23:03.180 That's what I wanted to clarify.

00:23:05.040 She wasn't a hindrance.

00:23:06.660 Like that stopped me from going to university.

00:23:08.740 But if I went back and didn't have Scarlett, not going to university was actually the right

00:23:14.360 decision.

00:23:14.920 Going to university and getting the degree I was getting wouldn't have helped me out

00:23:17.860 anyway.

00:23:19.040 So yeah, when you have a kid, parts of your life are harder to do.

00:23:23.820 Like, yeah, I couldn't go out and drink every weekend, but that's not a fulfilling life

00:23:28.640 anyway.

00:23:29.980 So hindrance would have been a fulfilling life at 23 rather than 29.

00:23:36.200 Like I said, I wouldn't go back.

00:23:38.160 what I would have changed is I shouldn't have gotten married because that caused a whole bunch

00:23:41.840 of problems. And that's, that was the issue. Do you think you should have had the kid out

00:23:46.300 of wedlock then? Cause in the time, the reason I asked Tom bill you in interview and you were

00:23:51.660 saying you didn't want to be an unmarried mother. No, I didn't. And that's the problem I had when

00:23:57.300 I was 23 was like, okay. Um, I have an unplanned pregnancy and the most stable way to raise a child

00:24:05.640 is in a family with a man and a woman. And so bite the bullet, get married and figure out how 0.87

00:24:12.440 to make it work and negotiate until you have a proper relationship. And so that was my thinking

00:24:18.740 when I was 23 and I wasn't able to negotiate that relationship. And I suppose every divorce,

00:24:28.880 you know, it's always the other person who's in the wrong. So I don't know how that works.

00:24:34.440 exactly what my point is, but that was not a good, like that was not a good place to be.

00:24:42.020 And what I ended up deciding, um, and it wasn't actually this year when we decided to get

00:24:47.120 divorced, we decided to get divorced in 2018, but it got stretched out for a number of years

00:24:52.900 and I can get into that if I need to. But the reason, the reason it took, pardon?

00:24:58.980 No, I was going to continue. Go ahead. Um, part of the reason it took a while is because I wanted

00:25:04.060 to be absolutely sure that breaking up the family was better for everyone and not just for me.

00:25:11.600 Is it? Yes. 100%. Everybody is happier. Your positions kind of changed then since 23 year,

00:25:19.460 23 year old versus what are you 29? You'll be 30 next year, right?

00:25:23.580 Um, yeah, my position has changed. My position hasn't changed that a two parent family is

00:25:29.700 healthier for a kid, but a two parent family that's fighting all the time, isn't healthier

00:25:34.860 than being separated and not being filled in a house that's full of resentment and anger.

00:25:40.220 Now, cause now correct me if I'm wrong. Cause I'm, I don't know him personally, but it seems by all,

00:25:46.980 it's just a impressions that Andre is pretty good with, with your daughter.

00:25:53.180 Andre's very, Andre's very good with my daughter. I mean, you have to understand the impression that

00:25:59.300 i have and pretty much everybody else has when we're seeing nothing but instagram shots of andre

00:26:04.540 with the kid and you off doing what with the tates first of all and then second of all um you know

00:26:11.040 doing doing what you're doing right now um so well is there is there something else like that

00:26:16.800 that people don't know that that you know well isn't like he's not he's not as good as the

00:26:21.840 impressions are because i'm certainly not gonna i'm certainly not gonna say anything negative

00:26:27.320 about Andre like ever period. So, so that's just bottom line. But part of the reason I don't have

00:26:33.500 Scarlett all over my Instagram is because I have tons of followers. She has her own private account 0.99

00:26:37.680 and my extended family follows that private account. So if I do put up a picture of her,

00:26:42.380 her private account is tagged, but I don't let people who don't know or follow her.

00:26:48.100 So that's, that's part of the reason. Yeah. I just didn't, wasn't sure. Like at the beginning

00:26:54.760 when she was really little, there were pictures of her up on my Instagram. If you scroll all the

00:26:58.240 way down, baby pictures. And then when she got a bit older, it was like, I don't know if maybe

00:27:02.880 that's appropriate or not. So I made her a private account. When, um, so you were mentioning that you

00:27:09.680 had already decided that you were going to like at least separate or, cause I know you were on a

00:27:14.020 break at the time that you were in Romania with, uh, the Tates at that time. I think you've been

00:27:21.400 pretty public about that so i don't think i'm revealing anything there um so as far back as

00:27:27.220 at least 2018 you were already making plans or you'd already discussed divorcing or separating

00:27:32.860 is that what i'm getting okay 2018 and then and then what happened was we were living separately

00:27:42.840 and my parents got really sick and andre ended up and i know that this can come across as using him

00:27:57.220 but this was a very complicated situation my parents were in the hospital over the summer

00:28:02.920 i was taking care of them like i ended up andre went away so we were living separately andre went

00:28:09.100 away for about a month. He was in Russia and I was taking care of Scarlett. And then after my mom

00:28:15.100 had surgery for cancer, getting a babysitter, going over there in the morning, grabbing Scarlett

00:28:21.180 after she had a nanny, putting her to bed, getting another babysitter, going back to take care of my

00:28:26.360 mom. So that was one of the months. And then Andre came back, saw that I was in really rough

00:28:33.160 shape from all the stress he started helping and that was the summer and then my dad got really

00:28:39.700 sick from benzodiazepine dependence and a side effect called akathisia which makes people

00:28:45.980 suicidal and so he was suicidal and he went to rehab because we thought the best way to deal

00:28:51.920 with this was rehab which wasn't right because they tried stabilizing him with more medications

00:28:57.480 and because those medications this is yeah well yes so we went to like we you know spent a bunch

00:29:04.600 of money went to a private like the best rehab center and they ended up just stabilizing him

00:29:10.920 putting him on more medications the akathisia got worse and so he was there brought him back to

00:29:19.020 Canada. And then he ended up in the hospital in December. Um, so that was 19 December, 2019.

00:29:27.500 And in the hospital, they sedated him with medications to counteract this akathisia

00:29:33.200 so badly that when we went in there, he couldn't communicate very well. And my whole family flew

00:29:40.700 down. So my aunt, my uncle, my grandparents, everybody flew down and we all talked about it.

00:29:44.940 And we had been researching all over the world to figure out where to bring him that wouldn't

00:29:48.940 keep adding on medications that would just take them away. And the only place that looked honestly

00:29:54.280 kind of crazy enough to do that was Russia. And we went everywhere. Like I didn't want to go to 0.90

00:29:59.520 Russia because I don't speak Russian and Russia is terrifying. So I didn't want to do that. But

00:30:04.320 we tried Israel, but they've got the same kind of medical establishment where they just keep

00:30:08.520 adding on medications to stabilize, which doesn't work for akathisia because it's a side effect.

00:30:13.680 anyway so the only way to get into russia and andre was helping me at this point because

00:30:19.980 my dad was in such bad shape in a hospital that the fact that we were getting divorced didn't seem

00:30:27.080 as dramatic as it normally would because we were dealing with somebody who we thought was

00:30:31.520 going to be in the hospital and then die we're like okay the divorce is a thing but

00:30:36.660 at this point, you know, yeah. So we ended up going to Russia and we ended up getting back

00:30:48.200 together. But for the next year and a half, we just did primary care for my dad. So when we went

00:30:58.880 to russia and he had his detox it was the worst period of my entire life and online i was just

00:31:09.000 shown as this person who had you know put forced my dad onto my weird all meat diet and then dragged

00:31:16.940 him to russia and nearly killed him while gallivanting off with other people and that was

00:31:23.280 when that tweet went out which wasn't yours the 20 000 people liked and i was in russia and like

00:31:28.160 my hair was falling out from stress. I couldn't communicate very well with people because I don't

00:31:32.360 speak Russian, but I was like, this is, it's either this or dad's in this hospital and he's

00:31:36.920 going to die. And my entire extended family agreed on that. So that's the background there.

00:31:44.980 So Andre was instrumental in getting him into Russia and into, we wouldn't have been able to,

00:31:49.480 we wouldn't have been able to get him into Russia without Andre because he had a Russian passport.

00:31:53.260 oh okay but it but it wasn't just it wasn't just that like he was with me helping take care of my

00:32:00.300 dad and i was yeah and so he was instrumental there so people are online were like why aren't

00:32:07.560 you and even my dad why aren't you with someone who's like a good dad he's he's helping your

00:32:13.060 family um and i don't really want to get like i don't want to get into the negatives because

00:32:22.760 i don't think it's appropriate but we fought all the time in ways that i couldn't negotiate

00:32:30.440 and i don't think i'm an unreasonable person and so the stress in our household

00:32:36.860 was really bad and i didn't think it was good for scarlet either and so separately

00:32:43.800 things are working out we're communicating and like i said i'm not going to like it

00:32:50.660 i'm not gonna villainize my kid's dad like ever yeah especially publicly so yeah i get it i get

00:33:01.920 it but i'm i'm i'm curious to know like i mean you don't have to go into details or anything

00:33:06.800 like that but i mean i have seen interviews of you well i think it was you and your mother or

00:33:11.380 something like that talking about how you know building a relationship and building that marriage

00:33:15.680 but do you think that that wasn't possible with andre no it wasn't possible

00:33:20.660 okay was because uh is there is he about the same i don't know how old he is is about the

00:33:27.280 is he in his 20s as well no he's 31 so he's 31 okay so he's just a touch older than you yeah

00:33:34.220 correct okay well i was curious because i i mean a lot of a lot of what i see on your channel here

00:33:41.340 um is really kind of you know i guess relationship building and particularly when you do interviews

00:33:48.660 with your mother, you do it with your father. It's, it seems to me like it's, it's counterintuitive.

00:33:53.760 Let's just say to what is, is, you know, you portray on your, on your channel. So I was just

00:33:59.000 wondering, is it, is it something that was just like fundamentally a conflict that you can't

00:34:02.700 resolve? Or is it something that's like, just because you are at a certain age, because as you

00:34:07.160 were saying before, when you were 23, you were thinking different than you are now at 29. So is

00:34:11.500 no discount. Okay. I get, I get what you're saying. No, I don't think it's an age thing.

00:34:16.920 I think it took me a while to realize that Andre and I weren't compatible.

00:34:20.960 I've wanted to have kids and have a family since I was like 16.

00:34:24.340 And I wanted to do that young.

00:34:26.000 So 23, and you talk about it on your channel, 23 is a good age to do that.

00:34:30.600 And you talk about wanting to party and missing years, but I had a rough teenage.

00:34:35.680 Good guy drank a lot.

00:34:37.640 I was not happy when that girl gets into her, you know, party, party years or whatever else,

00:34:42.880 then it's FOMO and it's YOLO.

00:34:46.020 okay yolo not rollo yolo you only live once and fear of missing out and mikhaila pearson is now

00:34:54.520 experiencing the fear of missing out like i don't need to continue drinking in order to fill some

00:35:00.300 you know fomo that i'm experiencing i'm not experiencing fomo from partying i don't drink

00:35:07.060 right like i wake up at six in the morning i think the last time i had i had a couple of drinks on

00:35:12.280 Halloween, but it's not my age. That's changing how I feel. If anything, I'm more upset now

00:35:22.420 because now I'm 29 and this would have been better to have sorted out when I was 24. 1.00

00:35:28.660 And you talk about that too, that like women decline with age, especially with fertility. So 0.95

00:35:33.960 no, I would say it's, it's the opposite. That is what I want. Like what I do want is a family

00:35:39.260 in a stable relationship. I'm not interested in hooking up with people. People are gross

00:35:43.600 in general. Like I don't want to agree. I'm not. Um, so I, I think the, I think the main

00:35:53.980 issue I had with your video, because I can understand how I come off online and I haven't

00:35:59.240 really figured out how to address that. I've kind of been ignoring it and like, well, that's a

00:36:03.220 problem, but I'll just keep going to see what happens. Um, but I didn't like the comparison

00:36:08.980 that you made between me and what is her name? Casey Anthony, who murdered her kid and then 0.96

00:36:17.680 put her in the trunk so that she could go party. I thought that was not very nice.

00:36:23.920 What the kill to party dynamic is, this is that when a woman has a child, especially when they 0.94

00:36:27.940 have them earlier on, such as Michaela Peterson here, that child becomes a hindrance to optimizing 0.79

00:36:34.780 hypergamy that is in a nutshell what the kill to party dynamic is about so when we talk about how

00:36:44.120 guys should not um date single mothers for example when when rich cooper or myself or anyone else for

00:36:50.340 that matter uh says avoid single mothers well most guys do kind of naturally oh thank you for that

00:36:57.540 um sammy let me go and put that on there that's actually a pretty good shot

00:37:01.440 But Sammy has come through with the – where did it go?

00:37:08.060 There we go.

00:37:08.820 Let me see.

00:37:09.320 This is our good – this is Casey Anthony.

00:37:13.140 All right. 0.98

00:37:13.600 Where'd she go?

00:37:14.860 Where's my Casey? 0.97

00:37:15.800 There's my Casey.

00:37:17.880 Can we see Casey? 1.00

00:37:18.760 There she is.

00:37:20.080 2008. 0.96

00:37:20.680 Yeah, gosh.

00:37:21.220 Was it that long ago?

00:37:22.900 Police in Orange County, Florida received a call that led to one of America's most high-profile criminal cases.

00:37:29.680 Oh, that was when she did it.

00:37:30.760 the disappearance and death of two-year-old Kaylee Anthony, I guess it was her daughter,

00:37:35.100 my bad. And the question of whether her mother, Casey Anthony, the other one, I guess,

00:37:40.800 was involved. There we go. Okay. So that's, that's our good friend, Casey Anthony,

00:37:45.780 in case you wanted a visual reference of what, what is I'm actually talking about here.

00:37:50.200 And I, okay. So let me, I'll explain a couple of things to you here first. I'll get to the

00:37:54.980 epiphany phase in just a second. But when I brought up Casey Anthony, I was using that as

00:38:00.240 the most extreme example of what I call the kill to party dynamic. Okay. And what that is, is that

00:38:05.440 women who had to have their children much younger realize that is a, an obstacle. It is a hindrance 0.93

00:38:12.960 to them seeking out and finding another partner, finding a guy who is better off for what they

00:38:19.260 think at least at that time is a, would be a, have been a better pairing for them while they

00:38:24.960 are still within that sort of threshold of say like 18 to 28 years old, where I call it the party

00:38:29.980 years, other people call it the whole phase, whatever you want to call it, you know, when

00:38:32.580 you're having your fun and you're, you know, it's, it's when you can, um, uh, when you can 1.00

00:38:38.160 build things a little bit more when women are at their prime agency. 0.99

00:38:41.700 Like I said before, like we were just second, a second ago is, uh, 23 is where I paid most 1.00

00:38:45.960 women at being that their sexual market value peak years. 0.62

00:38:48.500 I say that for a number of reasons.

00:38:50.120 Um, primarily it's because that's when men find women the most attractive, right? 0.84

00:38:54.540 during that sort of 18 to 28 era. However, when women have a child such as you at 23 years old, 0.74

00:39:03.160 it tends to put a damper on finding a guy who's better than say the guy that they ended up

00:39:09.640 divorcing or the guy that they ended up marrying and then divorcing during that time. So that was

00:39:14.640 the example that I was using. I think what happens is this, is when I do something like that, when I

00:39:19.840 when I use an example such as Casey and I'm not saying, and I even said, I don't know how many

00:39:24.280 times during that, that, uh, four hour video, I'm not saying that that's what you wanted to do.

00:39:30.240 Okay. I'm just using Casey Anthony as one prime example of that. I used other examples as well.

00:39:35.900 Brittany Renner, for example, um, locking down PJ Washington with the kid when, when the time was

00:39:42.380 right for her, she of course is 29 years old as well. Um, so I was using her as an example,

00:39:46.940 but people hone in on something as extreme as say, like Casey Anthony. I tried to present the

00:39:52.840 fact that that was the extreme example of that. However, the more general example of that dynamic

00:39:58.900 is that when women become single mothers, particularly when they become single mothers 0.98

00:40:02.820 at an early age, it makes them less marketable in the sexual marketplace. That's what I was

00:40:08.280 getting at. But of course, everyone in the comments goes, he just compared you to Casey Anthony.

00:40:12.720 Well, the thumbnail, the thumbnail did have me and I do thank you for picking a good picture

00:40:18.240 of me by the way, but it did have me and then kill to party.

00:40:21.180 Let me explain to you the dynamics of thumbnail creation, which you maybe already know, but

00:40:28.080 when you put people's face on there, when you put people's recognizable faces on there,

00:40:31.580 when you have to see the whites of their eyes and you're not the first one I've ever done

00:40:34.580 this with, by the way, that's simply how you get impressions on YouTube right now.

00:40:39.300 you know, I'll, I'll be all above board with that because I'm not the first one to, to figure this

00:40:44.600 out. And I don't definitely do. So, so when you do something like that, then it gets, then it

00:40:50.300 draws, like I've said this before, it's like, I understand that there's a salaciousness. There's

00:40:54.740 the TMZ effect, right? It's the, it's a, you want to give, give your audience the red meat. 0.80

00:40:59.440 However, when I do so, I'm trying to give them steak with the sizzle. So I'm not doing it just

00:41:04.280 to say, Oh, look, here, here's what she did. Right. That's, that's not my point. I say that

00:41:08.760 in the beginning of every single one of my videos, especially when I go after somebody who I think

00:41:13.980 would make a good example of a particular illustration of a dynamic that I'm talking

00:41:19.080 about. I talked about Emma Thorne, I think is what her name was. I talked about her on a couple of

00:41:24.920 different occasions. And, you know, people don't have a problem with that because that's Emma

00:41:29.440 Thorne. And then you're Michaela Peterson. So when I do a thumbnail like of her, nobody's saying,

00:41:35.260 oh, she just compared, you know, he just compared you to such and such. It's not an attack piece

00:41:39.660 video. I don't try to do, I don't do reaction videos. I don't do like takedown videos or

00:41:44.940 anything like that. If I think that somebody serves as a good illustration for a dynamic that

00:41:49.660 I've written about in the past, or that I'm talking about currently, you know, with whatever

00:41:53.260 that I'm doing, then yes, I'll do that because it's a recognizable say, oh, okay, now I get what

00:41:57.580 he's saying. So it's, it's more of like an illustration rather than like, oh, I'm going

00:42:00.900 to take you down. And every single video that I do this in, I put out the standard caveat. This

00:42:07.300 is not about the individual. This is about what's going on. So let's talk about what the dynamic is

00:42:11.880 not about, it's not an attack, but this is YouTube. This is Twitter. This is Instagram.

00:42:17.460 This is social media. So everybody wants to see like what we call a YouTube blood sport.

00:42:23.200 They want to see like, Oh, did you see that he compared you to this? Did he see you compared

00:42:27.500 to that. I talked about this recently on, um, on Elijah Schaefer show as well. So, um, it's,

00:42:33.500 it's, there's this, um, I think there's this need for people to have sort of this, get to get a rise

00:42:39.480 out of you. I was on, I was on, you are here with Elijah Schaefer and, um, Sydney Watson and, uh,

00:42:45.780 Ariel, I forget her last name, Scarcella or Scarrella. She's the, you know, lesbian, uh, you 0.99

00:42:51.680 know uh traditional conservative i guess now and when i was on there and we were having our back 0.96

00:42:58.980 and forth everyone in the chat wanted us to like be at each other's throats right because they're

00:43:04.200 looking for that it's bread and circuses so when i put something out like that or if there's some

00:43:09.460 kind of comparison to you to like say casey anthony that's not my intent to do that but

00:43:13.960 that's what the audience wants to see you see what i'm saying so maybe you're getting a wrong

00:43:19.140 impressions to be like i'm not trying to make you look like casey anthony i just mentioned you in

00:43:24.100 the same show as casey anthony okay i guess i just don't usually play into that like on my channel

00:43:31.660 i get the clickbaity stuff but if i'm like doing it probably no i really don't as you're doing it

00:43:37.600 though no i really don't i definitely have not made an indirect comparison between someone and

00:43:43.040 someone who murdered her child and put her in a trunk well that was not my intent anyways okay

00:43:48.760 Well, I'm really glad to hear that.

00:43:50.420 That makes me feel better.

00:43:51.720 And then let's see, what else do I have?

00:43:54.000 Then we can get to your book.

00:43:55.180 Okay.

00:43:55.680 Finding God as convenient.

00:43:58.080 My problem isn't the actual sincerity of the belief.

00:44:00.980 I mean, they can say whatever they want and we can decide to believe it or not. 0.97

00:44:04.400 Women get off scot-free because we're not supposed to be judgmental.

00:44:08.500 God forbid a guy be judgmental.

00:44:10.000 By the way, being judgmental is the cardinal sin of the new world religion, which is emotionalism, 0.99

00:44:16.440 which is female-ism, right? 0.98

00:44:18.760 Be judgmental. And that is a sin you need to atone for my friend. 0.99

00:44:24.020 And you know what the worst one is, is not believing when believe all women,

00:44:27.180 if you don't believe all women, that's a sin. Why?

00:44:29.400 Because you're judging them because you have some sort of discernment and you

00:44:32.600 go, you know what? That sounds like bullshit to me.

00:44:34.400 How dare you judge me like that? Be more judgmental.

00:44:39.180 I've said this over and over and over again.

00:44:41.000 I really got to do a full show on judgment.

00:44:43.380 I would like to say, I mean,

00:44:45.720 it's convenient for me because I feel significantly better than I did. But the convenience, I guess,

00:44:52.340 from the outside view would be, oh, she finds God and then suddenly she's getting divorced and

00:44:57.000 forgive all her past sins because Christianity is about forgiveness. And there's the convenience

00:45:02.600 there. But we've been getting divorced extremely slowly since 2018. And part of the reason it was

00:45:10.440 slow was because of this absolute catastrophe that occurred with my mom and my dad so

00:45:18.440 i understand that you have your whole like epiphany phase and i can see the pattern there

00:45:24.580 but i think you want me to explain what well it's just like is it convenient does that just

00:45:33.420 an age when people find religion or is it when they fake finding religion? I believe that it's,

00:45:42.060 uh, I believe that it is when women find their find religion, they get back with, uh, they want

00:45:47.640 to sort of rediscover their roots. Once they get to the point where, as I said before, like the 18 0.84

00:45:53.180 to 28 year range, whatever the whole phase of the party years, whatever you want to call it

00:45:57.180 right around the time when women hit about 29 years old is 29 to 31, right in that, that 0.57

00:46:03.300 range is what I call the epiphany phase. And the epiphany is this. I had an epiphany that suddenly

00:46:07.880 I need to get right with God. I need to make guys do, I'm going to do things the right way.

00:46:14.720 I had my fun in the past and now I'm going to get serious. You will see this constant. Now,

00:46:19.900 again, this is not me just pulling this out of my ass here. You will see this constantly

00:46:23.540 in Tinder or Tinder profiles. You will see this constantly in Hinge, Bumble, the dating profile,

00:46:29.960 name the name, the, the platform. And you will see women of that age, right around 29 to 31 years

00:46:35.820 old. All of the profiles are very similar, which is I had my fun in the past. I'm done with the

00:46:40.960 jerks. I'm done with the, you know, I was so crazy in my college years. I'm looking for something

00:46:46.740 serious. If you're not looking for something serious, swipe left, you know, you probably

00:46:51.600 understand what I'm saying. It's so common that I can go on like the guys that I follow, or they

00:46:57.080 the people who are sort of in my sphere of influence, I guess, um, constantly come up with,

00:47:02.600 you know, the screen caps of exactly that same thing. Now I, I developed, I guess, this idea

00:47:09.340 as far back as like, say 2010. So when I put it in my, my book, uh, the rational mail in,

00:47:16.020 well, I published in 2013, but from discussions that I had prior to publishing that book,

00:47:21.220 that's what we call the epiphany phase. And the epiphany phase is this, they come,

00:47:24.800 women come to an epiphany at right around 29 years old, that they can no longer compete in 0.92

00:47:29.280 the sexual marketplace like they used to in the past. And so now there is this, I think,

00:47:35.500 psychological need for women to find some sort of rationalization to explain why they did what 0.87

00:47:41.880 they did between the ages of say 18 and 28, and why they want to go ahead and find a long-term

00:47:47.800 mate after that. And usually that comes with a rediscovering of religion. Usually that comes

00:47:54.820 with a new, I guess, prerequisites for guys to jump through certain hoops to qualify to women's

00:48:04.060 demands, I guess, or women's standards, let's just say, for the long term. So prior to the epiphany

00:48:10.320 phase, it was more about sort of alpha seed after the epiphany phase is more beta need.

00:48:16.920 And I define that it's of course, and your father knows this as well.

00:48:20.200 That is hypergamy.

00:48:21.620 Okay.

00:48:21.760 So hypergamy is this, it's alpha seed and beta need.

00:48:24.280 And too many people tend to focus on just the beta need side of things.

00:48:29.260 So, because it sounds right.

00:48:30.740 It sounds good, right?

00:48:31.620 Oh, she found God.

00:48:32.460 That sounds good.

00:48:33.160 Great.

00:48:33.700 Come back to the fold, right?

00:48:35.340 She's had her journey of self-discovery.

00:48:37.540 Now she wants to like do things the right way.

00:48:40.100 We're going to do this the right way now.

00:48:41.620 And so at right around 29 to 31 years old is, is at that, what I call that the epiphany phase. 1.00

00:48:48.560 And after that, you know, all bets are off, I guess, but right then it's when women are 0.98

00:48:53.580 acknowledging that they can no longer compete in at the same level that they could when they were 0.96

00:48:59.320 23 years old. So now things sort of change and there's this sort of convenient rationalization

00:49:04.580 of getting back. And I'm not saying that you didn't sincerely find God. I'm just saying,

00:49:09.320 I'm talking about the convenience of it or the timing of it, because people have hit me up on

00:49:13.880 this before, and I'll explain this right now. People will say, well, don't you think, Rolo,

00:49:17.000 don't you think that women are actually sincerely finding God at this point? Or aren't they

00:49:23.100 sincerely having some sort of personal transformation? And I say, yeah, I do believe

00:49:28.620 that. I think that if you right now, if you took a polygraph test that say, do you sincerely believe

00:49:33.500 what you believe? You'll probably pass the polygraph test. But what I'm focusing on is

00:49:37.480 the convenience and the timing of that particular epiphany at that, at that stage of maturity for

00:49:43.940 women, because it is so constant that I think that men need to be aware of that. So that's why I say

00:49:49.060 that now the, the God aspect of all this, and I don't know if you are aware, but my fourth book

00:49:54.340 is the rational male religion. And I've talked about Ed Pill aspects in the course of religion.

00:49:59.480 Now I'm not a theologian. I've never gone to seminary. I don't have a degree in any of this,

00:50:04.140 but I'm a keen observer of human nature and, and evolutionary psychology.

00:50:09.140 I have a little bit of a background in religion, but not,

00:50:11.500 not certainly not like your father. Okay. So that being my caveat there,

00:50:16.400 when we talk about people finding religion,

00:50:19.900 Rush V is, I don't know if you're familiar with Rush,

00:50:21.880 but Rush is like recently watched and recently it's like more like two or

00:50:25.260 three years ago now has, you know,

00:50:27.240 decided that he wants to become an Orthodox Christian and give up his sort

00:50:30.060 of pickup of his ways. And, you know, he's sort of,

00:50:33.120 I don't want to say he's a hermit, but he's kind of, you know, decided that he's going to isolate

00:50:36.420 himself. And so suddenly at 40 years old, he's decided that he's going to, you know, rediscover

00:50:41.840 God. And he's, you know, that's all he wants to talk about. And yes, I understand that his sister

00:50:47.160 died. And yes, I know that there was a set of circumstances that pushed him to that particular

00:50:51.540 time. However, that's not what I focus on. What I focus on is what I call the prodigal son dynamic,

00:50:59.160 which is you were once away from the faith. You were partying and drinking and having all your

00:51:04.720 fun and hookers and blow, right? You left your father's house and you went off to seek your 0.99

00:51:08.580 fortune and it didn't work out the way that you wanted it to. And now you come back and you say,

00:51:13.920 oh, you know what? I've rediscovered God. I want to come back to the family. I don't care. I'll go

00:51:17.600 eat with the pigs or whatever. And the father and the family all welcome you back with open arms,

00:51:23.500 right? The prodigal son story is not about the prodigal son. It is about the father and it is

00:51:30.080 about the family that welcomed the son back. Because what happens is when you have that

00:51:34.700 prodigal son dynamic going on, or the prodigal daughter in this case, it's a reaffirmation of

00:51:40.600 faith for the people who are already always with that faith. So they're happy to bring you back in.

00:51:47.440 And particularly with Christianity, it's based on forgiveness. So when you combine the prodigal son

00:51:51.800 with forgiveness, yeah, of course, it doesn't matter. Keep coming back in, go out, seek your

00:51:58.520 fortune, fall flat on your face and come right back. It's a reaffirmation of the faith for the

00:52:02.860 people who never left the fold. And so that's why I wanted to point out the fact that when women or 0.88

00:52:08.640 even in this case, guys, depending on what their case is, when they rely on that prodigal son

00:52:14.060 dynamic, it's the people who are, it's not the guy, it's the people who are welcoming that person

00:52:19.540 back because it reaffirms their faith. Okay. Okay. I think I have, I've got a couple of

00:52:26.000 comments for that. Um, one, okay. One, how do you know that if there is some sort of pattern about

00:52:33.900 women finding God around the age of 29, how do you know that's not just a stage of brain development?

00:52:39.060 And do you know what age it happens for men? I would pretty much gather that it's not so much

00:52:44.020 brain development um i know that uh i know that right up until about 21 years old human beings

00:52:50.220 brains are developing right up until that point well for men it's 26 for women 24 24 26 women

00:52:58.140 mature physically faster than men understood so i mean at that point whatever you're i'm not saying

00:53:05.320 that maybe you don't have uh i'm not i'm not it may be brain development is wrong but i'm not

00:53:11.680 doubting the, I'm not doubting the sincerity. Once again, I'm just saying, I'm what I'm saying

00:53:16.680 is that it comes at a convenient time. When we look at, if you go and you look at marriage

00:53:21.680 statistics right now, the average age of first marriage for certainly women and well, women in

00:53:27.240 the United States is 28.7. And for men, it's like 29.8, like almost 30 years old. And it's older

00:53:33.860 than that in the UK even. So I also point this out, but nobody wants to talk about this because

00:53:38.940 It's not just like, you know, sensational, but I point out the fact that at that stage

00:53:43.560 is also coincides with exactly what I talk about in the epiphany phase.

00:53:47.360 Now I got to settle down.

00:53:48.800 Now I don't have the options that I used to have back when I was 23 years old.

00:53:54.480 I can't compete in the sexual marketplace with my, my 33 year old self cannot compete 0.88

00:53:59.400 with my 23 year old self in the sexual marketplace when it comes to women, at least. 0.96

00:54:03.940 And that is right around the time. 0.88

00:54:05.100 And again, it's, that's the point at which women say, I want to, my biological clock 0.89

00:54:09.840 is ticking, right?

00:54:10.900 That here, you don't hear women complain about men being sort of infantile or wanting to,

00:54:16.760 you know, afraid of strong, you know, threatened by strong, independent women.

00:54:20.200 You don't hear women of 23 saying those things. 0.95

00:54:23.460 I did 33 and you hear them at 34, but you don't hear them when women are in the midst

00:54:28.140 of their peak sexual agency in their lives. 0.88

00:54:31.220 So when they get to a point where all the chips are down, that's when it's men aren't measuring up, I can't find an economically attractive man, and I can't find a guy who is right with God, or I can't find a guy who wants to date and marry a single mother.

00:54:46.340 it not, it's not my fault. It's not my decisions. It's those guys who won't man up. It's those guys

00:54:52.720 who won't take responsibility and absolve me of the consequences of my decisions that I made

00:54:58.100 that are now coming into effect at 30, 33 years old. Yeah. Okay. So I, I get, I completely

00:55:06.200 understand where you're coming from, but I think you're lumping me into a category of women. I 0.89

00:55:09.660 don't exist in. I was complaining about men not wanting to get married when I was 21. Like I've

00:55:15.760 wanted a stable family, like I said, since I was 16. As for competing in the sexual marketplace,

00:55:22.280 my, like, I understand I'm older, but that's not my issue, right? I'm not going to have a problem

00:55:27.280 there. Do you understand that as a single mother, your, let's just say competitiveness, maybe I,

00:55:33.720 now I hate to commodify everything for you here, but your, your value as a woman is less than 0.91

00:55:41.180 somebody who does not have kids. And if you're looking at 20, you're soon to be 30 years old, 0.99

00:55:45.600 If you're looking for that long-term relationship, which you've said you are looking for a guy

00:55:50.080 who's like at your age or older, the men who will be looking for what you're looking for,

00:55:55.720 aren't looking for you.

00:55:56.940 They're looking for women who are much younger than you and who do not have kids.

00:55:59.920 Do you acknowledge that?

00:56:01.460 Do you understand that?

00:56:02.860 Well, you seem to think that every woman is exactly the same.

00:56:06.480 No, I think like, like, yeah, if they're going to find commonalities for sure.

00:56:10.320 yeah but i'm not the same kind of person as the woman you're talking about i don't have an iq of

00:56:17.500 100 i'm not a moron i'm fairly attractive i don't think i'm gonna have an issue and what i did

00:56:23.240 decide obviously this was a concern of mine right like clearly single mom that's not like no one's

00:56:29.540 plan is that right but i decided that the situation i was in or no britney renner planned it so

00:56:36.280 Oh, well, that doesn't seem like a wise decision, but, uh, what I decided from the situation I was

00:56:43.720 in was that I would rather be by myself. And so I would just wrap my head around being by myself.

00:56:49.860 And so that wasn't my, my concern wasn't a hypergamy. I'm going to go find someone,

00:56:53.620 you know, older, wiser, smarter, better, richer, you know, and do that. I just figured, Hey,

00:57:00.420 I'll just hunker down and work. At least I'll be happier by myself.

00:57:03.740 so you have no plans to find a long-term husband in the future though no that's what i want i just

00:57:10.840 think it's gonna be difficult okay do you realize what statistically speaking here now i'm just

00:57:16.480 dragging out you know raw numbers or statistically speaking do you understand the odds of you finding

00:57:22.000 that right now in today's sexual marketplace do you know the odds of fight do you know do you know

00:57:29.180 the odds of finding somebody if you have an iq above 115 or 130 years ago yeah i know it's yeah

00:57:34.480 it just gets worse so then single mom age higher iq yeah it's going to be an issue of course that's

00:57:41.680 what i want i told yeah it is it is tough but i mean it's and it only gets tougher the older you

00:57:48.060 get you realize definitely i would assume i don't think i don't think i'm i don't think i'm like

00:57:52.840 being again i'm your father always said you know you have to risk being offensive to like have

00:57:58.860 critical debate. So I'm not trying to like kick you in the ass. No, it's okay. This is why you're

00:58:03.020 on here. So this is why you're on here. So my, my point is, is that, and when you go, I know you're,

00:58:11.420 are you still scheduled to go on fresh and fit like later on? I think next month. Yeah. February,

00:58:15.820 I think. Okay. So I'm going to, I'm going to prep you for, here's your preparation for fresh

00:58:20.420 and fit because Myron's going to bring up the same exact thing that I'm saying to you right now, 0.98

00:58:24.160 which is as a woman gets older, her value declines, her value decreases. 0.99

00:58:28.440 A woman's primary agency in life is her sexual marketability. 1.00

00:58:32.280 That's not personal value. 1.00

00:58:35.060 Okay.

00:58:35.340 So it's very important that you like, 0.99

00:58:37.400 because most women conflate sexual market value with their personal worth, 0.99

00:58:42.560 right? 1.00

00:58:43.180 Mother Teresa, fantastic human being, you know, let's, 0.86

00:58:45.840 let's make her a saint, right? 1.00

00:58:47.380 Per sexual market value.

00:58:48.520 Let's just be honest.

00:58:49.720 Okay.

00:58:50.580 However, so there's a depth.

00:58:51.740 I'm using it again, extreme examples,

00:58:54.020 right? I'm using her as an example here to say that there is a separation between sexual market 1.00

00:58:58.860 value and personal worth. And that's, I think is one of the primary problems that women have today, 1.00

00:59:05.860 because they're like you, they say, you know what, there's the incident or say the enrollment 1.00

00:59:10.620 for, you know, higher education right now, women are enrolling in record numbers in college.

00:59:16.880 I certainly outclassing men at this point, I don't think I'm, this is any kind of revelation for 0.67

00:59:21.600 anyone here, but men are, as your father has said, they're the lost boys generation, right?

00:59:26.740 They are, they're dropping out. They have are purposeless. They're not going to college.

00:59:30.760 They're not getting, are they getting just like subsistence level jobs so that they can sort of,

00:59:34.460 you know, do what they want to. And they're not have any plans to be a father, no plans to be a

00:59:38.780 husband, no plans like that old order kind of 20th century married monogamous ideal is not even,

00:59:46.080 there's no incentive for, uh, certainly the generation Z and what, maybe the latter half

00:59:51.960 of millennials right now, there's no incentive for guys to do that. So what does that, what

00:59:56.320 happens? There's more women that are enrolled in college right now, higher education. They, 1.00

01:00:00.900 they're getting more professional degrees. They get, we'll go into the American workplace. Um,

01:00:05.200 I mean, statistically speaking, women are like improving themselves where men are just kind of

01:00:09.820 like, you know, and we poke fun at the guys and we say, well, they need to take more responsibility

01:00:15.280 for themselves. And while we're having that conversation, women just like you, women just 0.97

01:00:19.760 like the women who work for Robert Kiyosaki, who I work with as well, they're saying the same thing

01:00:25.120 as you, or you will say, I think pretty soon here is I can't find a guy who is my equal. I can't

01:00:30.160 find a guy who has his shit together. I can't find a guy who is economically attractive. I can't find

01:00:35.300 a guy who is, you know, whatever your prerequisite is. And the reason for that is because you're

01:00:40.040 very intelligent and you went to college and you have, I don't know how much, I don't know how much

01:00:44.320 you're worth, but you make a good chunk of change. So by doing that and by improving yourself and

01:00:49.880 building yourself up into who Michaela Peterson is, or, you know, whoever you're, you know,

01:00:54.440 sort of strong, independent alpha female is you have less and less opportunity to get with

01:01:00.400 who is going to be that much, just even fractionally above you in sexual market value, 1.00

01:01:06.580 because women conflate sexual market value with personal worth right now. And so for me to say 0.88

01:01:11.960 this. And I've, I've said this and it frustrates the hell out of the women that I talked to who

01:01:15.920 are part of Robert Kiyosaki's crew. They're just like you, they went to college that in some cases

01:01:20.860 they've got like a, you know, at least a four-year degree. And in some cases, even like, you know,

01:01:25.120 postgraduate kind of stuff, and they're making money and they're like, I'm frustrated. I can't

01:01:30.100 find the right guy. I can't find anybody right now, or they don't want to have anything to do

01:01:33.580 with me. And it's because they have built themselves up to what they are, that they become

01:01:37.700 less attractive to the guys who would want to get with them in the first place. 0.95

01:01:41.220 simply through evolutionary biological reasons that they don't want to get with a woman like 0.98

01:01:46.640 that. Again, intelligence, you just said a moment ago, and it sort of debilitates those guys. So 0.95

01:01:52.040 what, so along comes ruler Tomasi and he says, well, ladies, you're going to have to dumb 0.93

01:01:56.400 yourself down. And no woman wants to do that because their entire personality and everything 1.00

01:02:01.800 they've invested their egos in is professionality, their money and everything else that add that a 1.00

01:02:06.860 gynocentric feminine, you know, primary social order taught them would make them more impressive, 1.00

01:02:13.420 would make them more attractive. And it's exactly that that would make men more attractive, 0.99

01:02:18.260 but it does not make women more attractive. So now you've got this generation of women who are 0.91

01:02:23.140 these high powered, you're at least perceptually anyways, uh, intelligent, um, in some cases, 1.00

01:02:29.640 single mothers, um, in, uh, with a professional degree with, with some money and everything else. 0.67

01:02:34.760 And they're frustrated as hell at these guys that we want to say, man up, man up, man up,

01:02:39.120 when we've been telling them for generations to man down. 0.82

01:02:42.420 And now women are at a point where there's, I mean, was it Morgan Stanley was talking about 0.59

01:02:46.960 the rise of the she economy? 0.78

01:02:48.460 They have this, it's actually a full blog site right now for the stats. 0.98

01:02:51.980 And that by 2030, women in the prime working demographic between 25 and 45 years old, 45%

01:02:59.160 of them will be single and childless their entire lives. 0.95

01:03:01.380 because they don't want to get with the average woman it doesn't want to have anything to do with

01:03:07.880 the average guy and so that's the that's and so i agree with you 100 the smarter you are the more

01:03:13.860 professional you are the more money you've got everything else that those are attraction cues

01:03:18.480 for men not for women so when when men are attracted they're looking they're looking for

01:03:24.680 a woman who is between the ages like 23 and 25 years old that's why i pegged that as the the

01:03:30.380 prime sexual demographic or sexual peak value for women during that, that period. That's why I pegged

01:03:36.020 that a long time ago. Um, and now, you know, people are suddenly realizing here we are, you

01:03:41.980 know, a generation later that that's what's happening. So you've got your work cut out for

01:03:46.000 you, add a child to that. And yeah, that's you're, you're probably going to be part of that

01:03:52.480 demographic I was just mentioning. Well, I guess we'll, we'll find out, but I don't know if the

01:03:58.420 alternative for me would be don't do anything and dumb yourself down so that someone will be more

01:04:03.960 attracted to you. And no one else is going to, no one else is going to do that either. That's

01:04:07.560 like, yeah. So I don't know how to solve that problem. That's a problem, but, and I've thought

01:04:13.700 about that too. And I think the birth control pill has something to do with that, but, but I don't

01:04:18.840 know how to solve that problem. I don't either, but you do realize that you are in that cohort

01:04:25.240 now right i mean at 29 years yeah no definitely definitely but it's better than where i was

01:04:32.300 so i mean maybe it's time to sort of readjust and reconsider what what your future plans are

01:04:39.600 yeah i mean i hope the best for you i'm not well i'm not like let's not get too doomsy here like

01:04:45.740 let's i can see if i was like a 180 pound woman with a you know a couple of kids yourself in

01:04:54.680 shape you know smoking and not very smart and being like resentful at men and angry but i'm

01:05:01.520 none of that so we'll see we'll see what happens but it's still better than where i was at um okay

01:05:10.840 we're almost done we're almost through the video there's another thing michaela gives her whole

01:05:14.720 family covet at 124 technically scarlet that same thread so i'm hands off on me but go ahead

01:05:22.360 continue. Peterson finishes treatment in Russia. They went to Florida and eventually ended up in

01:05:27.340 Serbia where Michaela gave her entire family COVID hospitalizing Jordan yet again. Okay.

01:05:34.900 Ah, okay. The same, that stupid tweet anyway. Um, yeah, no, that's not what happened. Scarlett

01:05:41.500 was at playgrounds. She brought it home. We all quarantined. We quarantined for actually all of

01:05:47.520 Serbia went into quarantine at the same time because the, the president at the time had been

01:05:53.060 like COVID doesn't exist here. The election is upcoming. He opened everything, everything opened.

01:05:57.960 And then he won, he shut down the entire of Serbia, people rioted. And we went into quarantine,

01:06:05.060 we quarantined for 14 days. And on the 14th day, Scarlett got a stomach ache. And a couple of days

01:06:10.120 later, everybody had COVID. Fortunately, it wasn't that bad. So it wasn't Michaela gives everyone

01:06:16.800 covid but i guess that was from the tweet and not you um i don't think i don't think i have a lot

01:06:26.940 uh more to say i just i just took offense to the you know she's partied all her years away

01:06:36.240 now she's found god because she needs forgiveness because i didn't spend the last like

01:06:39.840 i haven't partied since i was 22 um and i don't miss it i hate even at the time it's not doesn't

01:06:46.380 make you feel good it's like yeah being drunk is fun but you know it's not it's not good like

01:06:53.440 waking up early accomplishing a whole bunch and sleeping getting your sleep schedule straight

01:06:58.500 i worked in the wine and spirits industry for about 25 years and i yes i i'm glad i had really

01:07:07.280 good mentors at that time um yeah i i spent a lot of people ask well what happens for a lot of no

01:07:13.600 and get this stuff. Well, I, I have two degrees. I've got a degree in fine arts and I've got a

01:07:17.440 degree, a bachelor's degree in behavioral psychology. That's where my background is

01:07:21.940 anyways. And with the fine arts with it, with an emphasis on, well, at least the psychology

01:07:30.680 side of things is with an emphasis on personality studies. So, and then I ended up double majoring

01:07:37.080 actually, because I was talking with a lot of guys at that time, uh, in what will become the

01:07:44.040 manosphere, I guess. Um, this is back in like, remember this is in like early two thousands,

01:07:49.380 like 2002. And, um, so I originally took, um, psychology because it was helping me. I went to

01:07:57.440 college late in life. I was in my thirties when I finally finished up my college days. Um, and I

01:08:03.680 was already i'd already had a pretty successful career in uh graphic design and then i was art

01:08:08.340 director for like casinos and working for liquor brands as well and um and so i was always out

01:08:15.600 even when i wasn't even when i was out of sort of like my party years i was uh still in clubs and

01:08:21.100 doing promos and things like that so it was like a a student of uh human behavior let's just say

01:08:26.860 and i always had to be sober at all of these these events right because i'm working it i have to to

01:08:31.460 be there for, for promotional reasons. Um, and so I'm there and I just, you know, I take mental

01:08:37.320 notes and then I would take them back and I would either blog about them or I'd write about them on

01:08:41.040 the social forums. And we would have a long discussions, uh, over the course of almost

01:08:45.720 like 10 years. Now this is back in the days when the seduction community, like, uh, mystery and,

01:08:51.580 and, uh, Neil Strauss and the game and all that other stuff was going on. Now I wasn't involved

01:08:56.300 in that because a lot of people think that I'm like a dating coach or a relationship expert or

01:09:00.140 something I know, but I had a keen interest in what they were talking about because it was relating

01:09:03.300 with what I was studying in college at the time. So I was in the clubs, I was watching this happen

01:09:08.640 and I was dragged. I was sort of like, um, like Diane Fosse, you know, gorillas in the mist and

01:09:12.720 watching what the humans are doing and writing this down and like, you know, and then reporting 0.69

01:09:17.460 it back to, to the forms that I was participating in at that time. And so I'll, I have a very keen

01:09:22.720 interest in evolutionary psychology. Um, I, if I was to be starstruck by anyone, I'm sorry,

01:09:27.580 it wouldn't be your dad. It would be God sod. God. So I would be the one that I would be like,

01:09:31.840 you know, like almost nervous to have on my show because I really like his work. Um, and then,

01:09:37.540 you know, I, I read your dad. I read, uh, uh, Dr. Steven Pinker, uh, Steve Stewart Williams,

01:09:42.360 uh, Rob Henderson's a really good follow of mine. I really like Rob Henderson.

01:09:47.000 Rob's Rob's really kind of coming into his own, but I think one of the frustrating things for a

01:09:51.400 lot of guys, maybe, maybe your dad included is when you become like a clinical psychologist

01:09:56.060 right now you can't help but get into what we're doing right now which is what i've called the

01:10:00.560 hustle economy we have to get into youtube you have to be have to have a presence on on social

01:10:05.740 media you have to and you you're already doing i know you know this because you're already handling

01:10:09.140 your dad's sort of you know pr i guess in that respect but when you got a guy who like steve

01:10:15.540 williams or or god sod or these guys or even a with dr david buss these are guys who have put

01:10:21.120 a lot of time of work into this stuff. And now they're, they're having to sort of join this.

01:10:29.020 Yeah. I call it the hustle economy. Like the Tates are definitely a hustle economy. I am.

01:10:34.160 And it doesn't necessarily have to be like relationship coaches or anything like that.

01:10:37.620 It can be like fitness. It can be money. It can be, you know, real estate, whatever it is,

01:10:41.400 or, or religion for that matter. Like most churches, most like certainly in America anyways,

01:10:46.620 these evangelical churches and stuff have to have a blog. They have to have, you've got to,

01:10:50.140 got to live stream your services and things like that. It's, it's all part of that same economy.

01:10:56.140 Yet when you're a clinical psychologist and you've gone to school for, I don't know, eight,

01:11:00.000 12 years, something like that. And now you're competing online with other guys who have that

01:11:05.800 same kind of brand of me, then that can be kind of, it'll rattle your cage. If you're, especially

01:11:11.040 if you're old school, if you're like 20th century thinker, right. And you, you, you got your degree

01:11:16.440 say like in the nineties or the eighties even, and now you're kind of thrust into, you know,

01:11:21.260 the 21st century in 2021, and you're having to be another voice amongst, and those voices are

01:11:28.260 actually quoting you, but they're still, you know, they're outperforming. It gets kind of

01:11:32.620 tough for them, but my, my, my, my background is, is, is such that, um, um, I I've been in pretty

01:11:39.220 unique, um, situations where I can be out, uh, you know, like I said, at clubs or I can be out

01:11:45.660 at promos or, you know, martini fests or whatever, um, or promoting stuff for casinos and such.

01:11:51.180 Um, cause I'm in Nevada as you know. Um, but so I've done that for most of my life. And, uh,

01:11:57.140 at the same time, I've been married for 25 years. My daughter is 23 years old. Um, you know, a lot

01:12:02.580 of people want to dis disqualify what I have to say because I'm married or else they want to

01:12:08.360 disqualify what I say because, uh, I'm, you know, I'm not red pill. I'm not red pill enough for like

01:12:14.500 are these black pill doomers. And I'm not red pill enough for like traditional conservatives, 1.00

01:12:18.440 but because I happen to be married, but same time, it's like, I'm still have a unique position

01:12:24.560 as in, in my life where I'm, you know, putting these things into practice and then putting this

01:12:29.060 sort of what we call red pill awareness into, into practice as well. And really that's what

01:12:34.440 motivated the publishing of the first book. So the first book is really the, what I thought were the

01:12:40.460 core principles of all the concepts and like the epiphany phase is one. Um, we talked about, uh,

01:12:47.100 I think even your, your father, maybe not by this name, but your father would understand,

01:12:50.680 uh, the war brides dynamic. Um, what is that war brides dynamic is that, um, you, you know,

01:12:56.340 we are human beings are still the same critters. We were back in a hundred thousand years ago, 0.88

01:13:02.440 right? We, we, we still have the same machinery. We still have the evolutionary firmware of our

01:13:07.660 ancestors. In fact, that's what's getting us, I think anyways, is getting us into trouble

01:13:11.780 in the 21st centuries because technology has sort of exceeded our, excuse me, our ability

01:13:16.600 to cope with it mentally. So when we talk about like porn addictions, we're talking about like

01:13:23.040 women, media, our, our evolutionary firmware can't process that or doesn't know enough to

01:13:30.920 sort of keep up with that. And so we feel the effects of it as, as a result. But when I'm 1.00

01:13:36.260 talking about like say the war brides dynamic um it's from human tribalism is what it is um when

01:13:41.300 we talk about how like early tribes men would you know get together make war on another tribe kill

01:13:47.560 off all the men kill off all the boys and then take all of the you know viable fertile women and

01:13:52.740 then introduce them into their tribe and then mate with them because they still had mating value

01:13:57.600 and that's what we call the war brides dynamic and it's one of the reasons why guys will ask me

01:14:01.960 like, how come, how come my girlfriend got over me so quick after we broke up? And I go, well,

01:14:06.780 it's, it's part of women's evolutionary firmware to be able to sort of, you know, shift from one 1.00

01:14:13.180 guy over to another guy for survival and, you know, viability anyways. And that's a vestige 1.00

01:14:18.900 of our sort of ancestral past. So same way with like food, for example, we didn't have the same

01:14:24.320 access to like high calorie content food um when we were hunters and gatherers but now we do and

01:14:32.760 now we have an epidemic of obesity where like 75 of the u.s population is overweight obese and

01:14:39.060 that's because our biologies process you know calories that was evolved 100 000 years ago when

01:14:46.700 food was scarce and we needed you know sugar was a great quick you know energy hit to get you away

01:14:51.640 from, I don't know, the saber tooth tiger. And so that's a vestige of our sort of ancestral past.

01:14:57.740 Well, there's other vestiges I should say of our sort of our, our mental wiring. And that's one

01:15:02.960 of them. So when I talk about the war brides dynamic, it's women's sort of innate ability to, 1.00

01:15:08.080 to fall in love with their captors. Let's just say it's like Stockholm syndrome, I guess. You 0.70

01:15:12.860 can also compare that to hybridophilia, which is women falling in love with guys who are like

01:15:18.520 convicted felons and you know in some cases killers in prison um to the point where we have 0.97

01:15:23.780 to create laws to separate female prison guards from the male prison population because that 1.00

01:15:29.520 happens too often so that's that a dominance thing though that women are just attracted to 0.84

01:15:34.460 dominant men and it just goes overboard sometimes another vestige right violence is sexy it is

01:15:40.100 absolutely sexy a man's ability it's called demonstrating higher value in our ancestral

01:15:45.780 past the best way for a guy to demonstrate higher value kill another dude but to put that guy down

01:15:52.740 and now he's no longer a competitor or like you know uh club that guy into submission and that

01:15:58.160 was a selected for uh survival trait for women and it's not that it's like we go oh my gosh haven't

01:16:04.260 we evolved past that yeah but i think even your dad will say that you know your your our biologies

01:16:09.760 right now sets the operative state for us. It sets the conditions of the game. Can we choose

01:16:17.160 to play the game differently? Yeah, absolutely. But those are still the conditions of the game.

01:16:22.000 So when I talk about like on my channel, I talk about the human machine. Then I talk about like

01:16:26.460 mental firmware, which is sort of like our operating system that we come out of the womb with,

01:16:30.600 that we have natural proclivities as men and women. And then there's like our programming,

01:16:34.620 which is gray matter, right? It's what we learn from our parents, from our schools,

01:16:39.360 from society in general. So like our, sort of our programming, can the programming override

01:16:44.160 the, the, the machine and the, the firmware? Absolutely. But again, those are still the

01:16:50.940 conditions and the machine is what it is. Yeah. Okay. Um, do you think, do you think your book?

01:16:58.500 So I haven't, I follow a number of people who kind of do, or I don't know exactly what your

01:17:04.780 category i don't know where i'm at either to be honest yeah so but anyway i follow you and

01:17:12.720 what it appears like in the comments of your videos and on twitter is that you have and lots

01:17:19.540 of people's followers do this but you seem to have a lot of like angry men who follow you and

01:17:26.160 do you think it's possible that the way that you talk about women maybe in your book or online

01:17:32.420 encourages kind of this disc almost like disgust towards women that aren't interested in these men

01:17:39.980 i have fielded this question so many times i yeah i don't even remember how many times i have in fact

01:17:46.040 i just did a video on exactly this topic uh last wednesday um there's a a very notorious notorious

01:17:53.840 but a very notorious um i guess vlogger now whose name is stardust he also has a channel i think it's

01:18:00.640 called thinking ape and he was proposing the same question he was saying that you know don't you

01:18:04.760 think that um all these guys like the red pills poisoned and there's like guys shouldn't um be

01:18:11.500 aware of this stuff because it leads them down a dark path right it makes them like nihilistic

01:18:17.000 it makes them hopeless it makes them despondent and um and how guys such as myself or you know

01:18:23.760 whoever who are present i don't i try to present what i talk about in as neutral and as objective

01:18:30.120 of a way as, as like nuts and bolts as I can. I don't do judgment calls on my show. Okay.

01:18:36.340 And the story, I just, I connect dots and I have a joke, you know, I just work here.

01:18:40.900 I, I, I show you, I show you the thing, but here, well, wait, wait, I feel like on that video,

01:18:46.620 that video you did of me in the middle, there was a whole bunch of judgment. It's like, Oh,

01:18:51.880 we're not allowed to judge women. You know, no, we are not allowed to judge women and trying to

01:18:58.740 optimize that. And I wasn't really focused on a long-term relationship because I was 23 and I was

01:19:05.820 focused on other things. And I was like, you know what? I have time to figure that out later. Like

01:19:08.840 I'll figure that out by the time I'm maybe 26 or 27 or 28 even. And I can start thinking about that,

01:19:16.020 but I ended up having to think about that a lot. Okay. We know this is bullshit. I'll explain to

01:19:22.440 you why this is bullshit right here. This is self rationalizing bullshit. This is making your

01:19:28.620 necessity of virtue bullshit. And we'll see exactly why this is here in just a moment, but

01:19:34.800 here you go. Faster because Scarlet came around. Now that's interesting. That puts a lot of 1.00

01:19:42.220 pressure on a relationship though. And when I think about, so I look at you and I could be

01:19:46.040 totally delusional. I don't know you well, but when I look at you, it seems like a lot of thought

01:19:50.180 goes into the decisions that you make. Um, and so as you approached marrying Andre, given the

01:19:57.060 sort of complexities of having a child did that way in the decision? Like, did you, were you more

01:20:02.720 prone to marry him because he was the father of your child? Or were you like, no, that doesn't

01:20:06.520 matter. Oh no. A hundred percent. I was really, I was really stressed out about being an unmarried

01:20:13.600 mom. Like really, really stressed out and felt societally pressured into it. Oh yeah. And you

01:20:23.820 know what? Um, this was a bit skewed because if it was me now and I went back in time, I probably

01:20:30.360 wouldn't, I certainly wouldn't have felt that way, but I'm much more confident now at the time I was

01:20:36.180 dealing, I was actually dealing with serious, this gets complicated, serious, uh, SSRI withdrawal.

01:20:43.100 So my anxiety was ridiculous. So I was thinking about a whole bunch of things that I shouldn't

01:20:49.720 have been concerned about and that most certainly influenced my decision making at the time because

01:20:55.480 you had an impending sense of doom yeah because i had an impending sense of doom okay keep that

01:21:02.740 write that down chill here we go hey hello there children how's it going write that down impending

01:21:10.200 sense of doom write that down put that in your notebooks kids we're going to be coming back to

01:21:15.540 that here very shortly to say what i was talking about is i was trying to give an objective

01:21:22.280 understanding of how we interpret judgment right now when we talk when we talk about judging women

01:21:28.080 or like uh you'll find this out on fresh and fit that whole their entire show really is i mean the

01:21:34.280 success of their show anyways is rooted in holding women accountable hold it like i just held you

01:21:40.500 accountable just a minute ago i told you i was giving you a primer for fresh and fit here um

01:21:44.580 And that's when, when that is presented to women, like the, the data that I just told

01:21:50.000 you about, like I told you about the, the, uh, the Morgan Stanley, uh, thing I told you

01:21:54.440 about statistically speaking at 29 years old with a child, the odds of you finding a guy

01:22:00.120 that is going to be, you know, a good match for you at that point.

01:22:03.860 Like there's, there's numbers, there's data sets for this.

01:22:06.260 I can't really give it to you here because we're doing zoom, but I can give you the data

01:22:09.520 sets.

01:22:09.800 And what happens when you start using rational language with, in an emotional argument, there's,

01:22:17.820 there's a real disconnect there because that's where judgment comes in. We hear this all the

01:22:21.640 time. You will hear this in every damn Netflix series and every movie and everything that's

01:22:26.840 been in popular culture, certainly for the last 20 years, which is very, that's what I call non

01:22:32.000 judgmental ism. It is don't judge me, but, and that's how you start the conversation, right?

01:22:37.440 don't judge me, but blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Uh, there is a very, there's like an imperative,

01:22:42.020 uh, in as far as I'm concerned is in a, in a, like a female primary gynecentric social order, 0.92

01:22:48.200 there's an imperative to not be judged for your actions, to not be judged for the things that 0.63

01:22:55.860 you've done, regardless of the consequences. However, we hold women to a different standard

01:23:00.540 than we do for men. When it comes to that judgment, if I said, I did this thing, I did

01:23:04.340 this really shitty thing. And, but don't judge me as a guy, guys are going to judge me because I

01:23:09.940 have a burden of performance and my respectability comes from what I do. If women do have like say, 0.78

01:23:16.080 Hey, I made some mistakes in the past and you know, and I'm getting right with God and back

01:23:19.600 in church, I'm doing this, I'm doing that. And don't judge me, but, and then that we're far more

01:23:25.060 willing to be non-judgmental with women than we are with men. That's what I was pointing out.

01:23:30.280 not that I was saying, okay, guys, here's what you do. I'm known for not giving prescriptions.

01:23:35.040 I don't have 12 rules for life. I'm not going to give you a, a, uh, you know, a step-by-step

01:23:40.180 thing, but what I am going, what I do give guys is I give them tools. I give them tools to use,

01:23:46.360 to improve their lives and to build something with it. So when I, I, again, this is something

01:23:50.740 I say all the time is I'm not in the business of making men, better men. I'm in the business

01:23:55.660 of men, making themselves better men by giving them the tools and giving the rational

01:23:59.580 understanding of their position in the game that they happen to be in. So what the problem with

01:24:06.240 that, and you probably understand this as well, is guys are looking for a step-by-step. They're

01:24:11.480 looking for a formula. They're looking for something that's going to like, okay, I finally

01:24:15.520 found the secret. You want to know why this stuff is so marketable or your dad's book is so marketable.

01:24:20.720 Both of them are so marketable is because guys are looking for that step-by-step thing. That's

01:24:25.440 12 rules sounds great. All I got to do is follow these and have a good life. Well, yeah, but you'll

01:24:30.140 be a Jordan Peterson man. And I'm not looking to make Tomasi men. What I want to do is give guys

01:24:37.020 this realistic objective, like information so they can make educated decisions about their lives

01:24:43.840 to give them tools to build a better life in where they're at. Now are, are guys like ready for this?

01:24:50.460 most guys aren't and i do i agreed with stardust most guys are not ready to be woken up they're

01:24:57.400 not ready to sort of be unplugged from the matrix as we call it um but it's not me that's going to

01:25:03.880 wake up the most men it's the internet right now we have access to information again remember we

01:25:09.840 talking about genetic lag we have access to information in such a capacity now that in human

01:25:16.160 history, we've never had this. In some cases, that's great, right? I can go and write a book,

01:25:21.100 you know, as Rola Tomasi, and I can, you know, publish it, you know, through Amazon, I can do

01:25:26.100 all these great things that I couldn't do before. But there's also downsides to it, like addiction

01:25:30.340 to porn, addiction to social media. There's or maybe you got guys who get really despondent and

01:25:36.160 really nihilistic, even though I try to be as objective. And, you know, arbitrary, say

01:25:41.480 impartial, let's just say, in presenting this stuff, well, some guys aren't ready for that

01:25:47.440 because their state seems kind of hopeless where they're at. As you were saying before,

01:25:52.320 you're a very smart girl, right? Which your IQ is, but certainly above average.

01:25:56.000 Most guys, they're at average. I mean, what's the bell curve, right? You've got those guys

01:26:01.540 right there. And a lot of those guys aren't going to say, oh, this is great. Now I know all this

01:26:06.380 stuff. Now I'm red pill aware. Now I can build a better life for myself. They don't do that.

01:26:10.340 they want they'll say well i'm it's it's hopeless i'm going to take myself out um i'm going to i'm

01:26:16.480 going to just be a hermit i'm going to go monk mode whatever their response to it is that's why

01:26:22.220 i say it's better to be in a position where you can sort of be a guide and help these guys sort

01:26:26.760 of see what this information is and how they can use it uh to their own betterment um most of these

01:26:33.740 guys are discontent and as i've said before is i believe that the human condition is discontent

01:26:39.200 and we can deal with that either constructively or destructively. So you're always going to be

01:26:45.740 discontent. Why not build something better? Why not be more creative? Why not build a positive

01:26:51.620 side of discontent is great. I think because you can, that discontent pushes you onto the next

01:26:57.040 goal. Equally speaking, guys who aren't ready for that can go, I'm just going to sedate myself with

01:27:03.760 porn and weed and video games, which is the popular concept that we say, oh, these guys

01:27:09.820 need to man up and they're just not taking responsibility. That's the destructive discontent

01:27:15.200 that I talk about. So you got that. And then my last question is this, and I pose this to

01:27:20.820 anybody who says, oh, well, your stuff seems to be really negative. Well, it's only negative in

01:27:27.540 the terms that you think that it would benefit, like say yourself or benefit women, or it seems

01:27:33.020 very negative towards women because we have for the longest time promoted the interests of women

01:27:38.040 it's what i call the the the empowerment narrative it's we've given them title nine we've given them

01:27:42.340 you know no fault divorce it's like if you look at from say like the advent of hormonal birth

01:27:47.240 control the the sexual revolution and you look at all this you know put women in the workplace and

01:27:52.000 now we got you know women who are professionals who have babies who you know uh have got a an 0.84

01:27:58.300 education and they can't find a man. That is a, a product result of what I call the 1.00

01:28:05.180 empowerment narrative. Is that for the better or for the worse? I've heard your dad say that

01:28:09.660 we're still in the midst of this experiment and that's where we're at. The experiment was, okay,

01:28:14.140 here's hormonal birth control. We have given, we basically given control of the reproductive

01:28:20.140 process to women, unilaterally to women at this point through, you know, uh, on-demand abortion 0.82

01:28:26.000 through the idea, at least, that women can control the reproductive rights, reproductive 1.00

01:28:33.420 choice. We do all that. And so now here we are in 2021, and we have the products of that, 1.00

01:28:42.000 but we don't want to look back and say, what led up to this? We don't want to look back at

01:28:47.400 the history and say, how do we get those numbers? How do we get those spikes in divorce? And how do

01:28:53.440 we get those, those, the decline of marriage right now, marriage is at its lowest ebb since

01:28:58.280 they started keeping numbers back in 1890. And so why is that? Well, we, we want to say, well,

01:29:03.420 it's men and they're not taking responsibility. No, it's a, it's a combination of all kinds of

01:29:07.540 things that have cast data to where we're at right now. So what I've, so the basic question

01:29:12.580 is this, and most people are going to have to answer this, whether they're red pill, whether

01:29:16.120 they hear it from me or you or anybody else is, would you rather be happy or would you rather be

01:29:20.900 right because you can stick your head in the sand. You can all say, you know what? I'm going to log

01:29:25.300 off. I'm going to have a great day out on the slopes because it just snowed. I'm going to take

01:29:29.180 my snowmobile out. I'm not going to think about jack shit. Okay. I can do that, but I'm still in

01:29:34.060 the back of my head saying, okay, I got to go. You got to do posts. I got to do this. I got to

01:29:38.560 stay on top. I got to stay in my, in the, you know, plugged in. So I'm not ignorant of the

01:29:43.220 information that could, you know, affect my life or whatever. But when it comes to the fundamental

01:29:49.000 question is now that we have access to let's just say more accurate information and again that can

01:29:55.840 be politically religiously um personally uh you know romantically whatever i have more access now

01:30:02.080 in the 21st century than i ever did before and now that i'm aware of this it's like the tree that

01:30:08.700 fell off the you know the the or excuse me the fruit that fell off the tree that eve ate right

01:30:14.040 You know, I can, I've got knowledge of good and evil all of a sudden, well, now I've got

01:30:18.500 that.

01:30:18.920 What do I do with that information?

01:30:20.340 How do I live better?

01:30:21.640 And so that's the problem.

01:30:23.820 I think that guys like Stardust, probably yourself, it seems like these guys get really

01:30:27.780 negative and they do, but they're going to have to deal with it.

01:30:31.280 It's not me.

01:30:31.900 That's doing it and leading guys astray.

01:30:34.120 It's, they're going to get this information, whether I am here or I'm not.

01:30:38.740 So it's a, you know, to me anyways, it seems like it would be better to have a guide than

01:30:43.720 to just sort of try to sort things out yourself okay i i guess so i i i think i agree with most

01:30:52.460 of what you just said um especially the fact that people need access to statistics and information

01:30:58.040 properly um i guess i'm the way i come at it is so birth control for instance most women and they're

01:31:06.320 not generally aware of this most women they start taking the pill they get massively depressed and

01:31:11.100 like mentally ill to be completely honest. And so that hasn't been advantageous for women either.

01:31:17.660 In fact, if they're the ones on it, they're the ones that can be crazy. And that is a side effect 1.00

01:31:21.960 that hits most people. But most people started so young that they don't know that it's happening to

01:31:26.120 them. That's awful. And people should be aware of that information before going on the pill.

01:31:30.100 They should be aware of the fact that their sexual preferences change while they're on the pill.

01:31:33.500 Like this information should be spread around like what you're doing, but I don't think 100%

01:31:40.300 agree. Yeah. I don't think the fault is, you know, I don't think the fault is necessarily

01:31:45.840 with women. And I don't think the way to solve the problem is to go back. I don't think there

01:31:50.640 is any going back that you can't give women education, the ability to work in the workplace

01:31:54.720 and then tell the women who are super productive. Oh no, you have to stay home. Like you can't do 1.00

01:32:00.440 these things. So we need to come up with a way forward with all the information so that people

01:32:07.900 are aware, Hey, if you wait until you're 30, you're going to have a harder time having kids.

01:32:11.660 And that's not, you know, society's fault. That's just biology. Right. And so people should have

01:32:17.500 access to this information, but when you give people access to the information, it shouldn't

01:32:21.660 end up with anybody being angry about it. Right. And I see in, in your comments, there are a lot

01:32:27.640 of, Oh, you know, like disgust at, disgust at women, disgust at single mothers when,

01:32:33.200 you know, the way society is right now is really making everybody suffer.

01:32:39.220 Yes. I 100% agree. And you're looking at a demograph of guys that we call like,

01:32:43.900 I guess the most extreme end of MGTOWs, like men going their own way. Um, and there's also 0.73

01:32:49.020 sort of like the black pill, which is like, it's all hopeless. And I, there is, I think that when

01:32:55.300 guys go from being what we call blue pill to being red pill, right. They're unplugging from

01:33:00.240 this old way of thinking about things. They believed in an old order way of thinking.

01:33:04.740 They believed in what I call the old set of books. It's like a rule set that guys have believed for

01:33:10.600 a long time was what everybody else was using. And so they say, okay, well, if I do these things

01:33:17.340 or follow this rule set, then I'll find a good girl and she'll love me just as much as I love

01:33:24.100 her and it's, you know, that, that Disney Pixar kind of soulmate crap. And then they realize

01:33:30.320 either at a generally through a point of trauma or crisis that people aren't playing by that rule

01:33:35.880 set. And I think they're becoming like more and more men right now, especially now, now 21 years

01:33:41.860 into the 21st century are becoming more aware of that. And for some guys, they get really upset

01:33:48.860 and angry and nihilistic and despondent at that. I have a, I think I put it in, I think I put in

01:33:55.040 my second book. There is a post that I converted into a chapter and it's called the five stages

01:34:01.700 of unplugging. And those five stages are synonymous with dealing with death, right? It's

01:34:07.740 what is it? Denial, anger, acceptance. You know, you get all through the five, I forget all the

01:34:15.760 five steps, but you get down, you finally get down to sort of acceptance. And then the sixth step,

01:34:19.900 you know, that people take it to is like getting jaded about things. But the second step is getting

01:34:24.100 angry. And I think a lot of people think that the red pill makes guys angry at women. And I could

01:34:29.680 tell you right now, there's nothing that could be further from the truth. Because what happens is

01:34:34.640 when guys become aware of the new rule set, like I was saying, the new order, you know, thinking,

01:34:41.980 when they become aware of that, they don't get angry at women, they get angry at themselves.

01:34:45.760 for having believed in the old rule set for so long, because for, you know, depending on how

01:34:52.340 old the guy is, they probably live most of their lives according to that rule set. And now it's

01:34:57.440 kind of like, oh, God damn it. Now I got to reset. Now I got to, you know, erase everything. And I

01:35:02.560 got to, you know, figure out how to make my life work in this new paradigm. And as I said before,

01:35:08.620 most guys don't have that creativity. They don't know how to see opportunity in that paradigm

01:35:14.920 because they're still kind of hung up on the things that they really wanted that were just

01:35:20.180 simply not, it's their blue pill idealism. And those ideals are gone and they don't know how to

01:35:26.480 deal with the true nature of men and the true nature of women. And it's fed to them on a daily

01:35:33.420 basis. So especially a younger generation get really despondent and get really angry.

01:35:38.740 Again, I said, I would argue that it's more about men getting angry at themselves because

01:35:45.540 it's like, what's the opportunity cost?

01:35:48.300 Like all of that opportunity, all the things that they could have done, the life they could

01:35:51.520 have lived, had they known this.

01:35:53.820 That's where I wrote the second book because I had so many guys say, Rolla, I wish I would

01:35:57.680 have had your first book before I got divorced or got married or had kids.

01:36:01.880 I took this as a major.

01:36:03.700 I moved to a different country, whatever.

01:36:05.960 I wish I would have known that or followed this girl across, you know, Timbuktu.

01:36:10.900 And so that's why I wrote the second book, because it's sort of a timeline of what these

01:36:14.580 guys can expect.

01:36:15.560 But that was the most common reaction to all of this.

01:36:18.540 And usually as a result of passing through that anger phase into the acceptance phase.

01:36:23.740 And now what they do is they use this information to build better lives, or in some cases, save

01:36:28.440 their own lives, take the noose off their neck, take the gun out of their mouth.

01:36:31.680 I've got, I have a, I've got a post called, was it the safety net? And in that post, there's over

01:36:38.280 a thousand guys with testimonials and they're saying, you know, I literally had a date with

01:36:43.000 death. I was literally planning a date for me to hang myself or, you know, shoot myself or whatever.

01:36:47.980 I was getting all the insurance, you know, in line to make sure my kids were taken care of

01:36:52.180 and everything. And then I read your book and I canceled that date. And now because of that,

01:36:58.200 you know, my kids have a father still to this day. And there's, like I said, there's over a

01:37:02.340 thousand comments. And that's usually why when people ask me for testimonials, I usually point

01:37:06.480 them to that, that comment thread, but I, you know, we can say, well, you know, look at the

01:37:12.040 comments on your, on your blog, look at the comments in your chat. Yeah. That's going to

01:37:16.340 be there because people don't want to, they don't know how to deal with or cope with a hard empirical

01:37:22.280 data. And I'm the one giving it to, I, I happen to be the one giving it to them, but it doesn't

01:37:26.980 mean that i got a monopoly on that not by any stretch of the imagination okay well i don't have 0.92

01:37:34.080 anything against red-pilled guys i think that's the only way to go it also like it makes men more 0.97

01:37:39.320 attractive if they're aware of what's going on so i'm all for that it's the kind of resentment

01:37:44.680 that can come along with it that i think just breeds into the problem well i think we think

01:37:49.360 of we think along with it sometimes not for everybody like you said for a small percentage

01:37:54.920 of people yeah yeah well again and those are the ones who are the ones who are going to leave a 1.00

01:38:00.580 drive-by comment they're the ones who are going to go yeah well you know just uh you know bitches 1.00

01:38:05.940 ain't nothing but tricks and hoes right that that that'll be the comment just because they want to 1.00

01:38:10.060 feel heard you also notice and because maybe you don't know this because you're not in my my sphere 0.93

01:38:14.640 i guess but whenever i see guys who sort of leave these like one hit comments or something it's

01:38:20.340 usually that same kind of mentality it's guys who just they don't even i i mean literally i've done

01:38:25.900 um youtube shorts i'm sure you know what youtube shorts yeah like like 59 second videos and usually

01:38:32.300 what i do is i clip them out of other videos because i think they're you know they're pithy

01:38:35.500 and whatever i put them up um when i started i stopped doing those by the way but when i started

01:38:40.660 doing those i thought they were you know be little bite-sized info bites for these guys

01:38:44.200 and what i was finding is that people who were commenting on those and they you know the the

01:38:49.320 viewership was fantastic on those. What I found was that you could clearly tell by the guy's

01:38:55.580 comment that they didn't even watch a 59 second video. They just saw the title and they saw like

01:39:01.120 maybe the first two or three comments and they're like, yeah, man, bitches ain't nothing but tricks 1.00

01:39:04.340 and hoes. Bye. You know, and they don't, they don't look at, they won't spend the time to watch 1.00

01:39:09.200 a YouTube short, but they will spend the time, probably longer time to type out a comment

01:39:15.060 because they think that they know what I'm talking about

01:39:18.160 by the thumbnail or the title of the video.

01:39:20.560 They look at the first three comments

01:39:21.780 and then they go and chime in as well.

01:39:24.260 That's the mentality.

01:39:25.960 It's what I call the TLDR generation. 0.99

01:39:29.080 It's like this generation of men and women

01:39:31.900 who have ADHD, at least because of social media,

01:39:35.360 they don't stop to think about things.

01:39:36.820 They don't take any time to watch even a 59 second video.

01:39:40.220 They will just simply go and comment

01:39:41.540 because they want to feel heard.

01:39:43.240 They just want to have something that says,

01:39:44.740 I'm frustrated. And I'm going to put this on this, in this stupid short that I didn't watch,

01:39:48.840 you know, it's like, well, it took you like 59 seconds. You will probably save yourself

01:39:52.840 from embarrassment or getting a, you know, self-ownage, right. Had you even watched that,

01:39:57.020 but guys don't care because they just type it in and they're onto the next one because that they

01:40:01.520 want to feel like somebody out there in the, you know, the internet verse, you know, actually gives

01:40:07.280 a shit about what they say. So in your book or in any of your books, do you give people tools

01:40:13.180 about how to move forward once they're aware of how hard life is?

01:40:17.000 I think that's all I give them is tools, pretty much how they interpret that is different. I

01:40:21.280 don't say, here's how you do these things. I don't do prescriptions. I don't say, here's the,

01:40:26.880 here's the, the one size fits all. Here's the rules. Like people will always, and people love

01:40:32.060 this because I, I have in my first book, I've got the nine iron rules of Tomasi. And that's what

01:40:36.760 most of my, my critics and the people who love me to death fixate on because they think of them

01:40:42.900 as being sort of like a step-by-step guide

01:40:44.720 or some sort of like,

01:40:45.700 here's the, it's like the 10 commandments, right?

01:40:49.540 And thinking backwards,

01:40:51.960 I probably wouldn't have named them

01:40:53.240 the nine iron rules of Tomasi now

01:40:54.860 had I had to do it all over again.

01:40:57.140 But I thought they were, you know,

01:40:59.440 sort of universal kind of things

01:41:01.000 for guys to think about.

01:41:02.900 But then I get in trouble for them

01:41:05.400 because again, people only,

01:41:07.900 if they know of those nine iron rules,

01:41:10.300 they tend to always misinterpret them

01:41:12.300 or they interpret them in such a way that they can straw man me and say, Oh, this is what he

01:41:15.920 really meant. Uh, I don't have a, a guide to the universe. Right. And I don't think, I think anybody

01:41:23.060 who's claiming that they do, um, is selling you something. Now I am an author now. Um, and so do

01:41:29.860 I sell books? Yes, I do. Um, however, I also sell information and how guys take that information

01:41:37.000 and use that to their own benefit is really kind of up to the individual. The reason why I back off

01:41:42.060 from prescriptions is because I don't presume to say that everything that's worked out for me

01:41:48.400 will also work out for you. I can't tell somebody like I'm, I'm 53 years old. I can't tell some kid

01:41:55.400 who is, you know, 25 years old in South Africa or Nepal or Japan or whatever that here's, here's

01:42:04.000 the perfect, here's what's going to work for you. It's a universal truth. You just do this

01:42:08.000 and you'll have a good time or you'll be, you'll be set. I'm not going to do that

01:42:11.980 because I don't know what the context of their lives are. I can only give them like sort of

01:42:16.880 the general, the generalities, I guess, like here is women's nature. Here is men's nature.

01:42:23.280 Here is the nature of the game that you are in. Here's things to look for. Here's things to expect. 0.99

01:42:27.660 How you use that data is really up to the individual. As I said before, I'm not looking

01:42:32.120 to create Tomasi men. I want them to make their own. In fact, I say this all the time. Show me, 1.00

01:42:36.640 show me your work show me what you built show me how you went from being like single and sexless to

01:42:42.420 having a girlfriend show me like how you've developed your business show me how you have

01:42:46.720 taken this data and used it to your own benefit because i'm not giving out like success programs

01:42:53.540 i'm not a success porn hustler i'm a guy that is just simply giving you know data here's some

01:42:58.820 things to think about i connect dots what do you think of that in fact i say you know if you think

01:43:03.040 I'm full of shit, please tell me. Usually it's like, oh, you're a cult leader. Well, that's an

01:43:07.620 opinion. What I want to know is why do you disagree with this point that I made in the book? Why do

01:43:12.240 you disagree with what I'm saying right here on this particular tenant? Okay. Because then we can

01:43:17.400 have a conversation. Then we can actually sort of suss that out and say, well, maybe here's something

01:43:21.400 I thought about and maybe you didn't think about it. But we don't do that in this generation

01:43:26.060 because quick hit template lists of ways

01:43:31.280 to go from hero to zero, that sells.

01:43:35.160 That's why people keep saying,

01:43:36.500 well, you're so under monetized role.

01:43:38.280 I'm just now talking to you, Michaela.

01:43:40.680 I'm just now talking to you.

01:43:42.880 Just now getting into like working with Robert Kiyosaki.

01:43:45.100 I'm just now, you know, people are starting to take notes.

01:43:47.320 I've been doing this for 20 freaking years,

01:43:49.780 but people don't, you know, they'll quote me

01:43:52.000 or they'll use terminology that they've heard

01:43:54.200 from my book or something I said at some point that somebody else, you know, third party might

01:43:58.320 have said, but they don't realize where it came from. And the reason for that is because I don't,

01:44:02.900 I don't sell prescriptions. If I was like Tony Robbins and said, Hey guys, let's all,

01:44:07.980 you know, feel better about ourselves and put ourselves first. That sells tickets to,

01:44:12.420 you know, sell out arenas. But what doesn't is hard empirical data. Again, would you rather be

01:44:19.100 happy or would you rather be right? If I'm looking at like people who are selling prescriptions

01:44:23.920 And how do I go forward?

01:44:25.900 How do I make a better life for myself?

01:44:28.220 I don't think anybody can answer that except for the individual, except for that person.

01:44:32.460 How are you going to use this data for your own benefit?

01:44:35.420 So that's why I'm not doing, you know, Tony, I could very easily go do Tony Robbins seminars.

01:44:40.560 I could very easily go and, you know, do a world tour and say, here's the prescription

01:44:44.820 for a better life.

01:44:46.040 But I'm not going to do that because I think it's up to the individual to sort of cater

01:44:49.840 that to their own lives.

01:44:50.800 i think that's exactly what my dad's doing on his tour it's up to the individual here are some tools

01:44:58.340 as in tell the truth don't get resentful but i think that that maybe might be an overlap with

01:45:03.980 what you're saying well i mean and then sometimes i i i've said this before it's like the red pill

01:45:09.860 doesn't exist so that men will hate women it exists so men won't hate women for what they

01:45:15.860 can never be to them and to reassess what they were thinking, what their presumptions were

01:45:20.400 in the past. Sometimes that's difficult. Sometimes that's hard. Sometimes there's

01:45:24.240 resentment. Sometimes guys get nihilistic because they think that it's hopeless. Well,

01:45:27.480 I can never be like, I can never be like Andrew Tate. I can never be a kickboxer. I could never

01:45:32.160 look like that. I don't have a Lamborghini. I could never be that. And that's been really my

01:45:36.860 sort of mission, I guess, for the last like, you know, a couple of years is to make the red pill

01:45:41.040 more relatable to everybody, not just guys, you know, driving to McLaren in Miami, but like guys

01:45:46.720 who are working on a tractor in Oklahoma need this at just as much as anybody else. And so I'm

01:45:52.640 trying to make really what I'm trying to do anyways, is make this data available to the

01:45:57.200 every man to like, so it's relatable. And I think it can be, but it can't be if I make it so specific

01:46:05.020 that say, okay, here's 10 ways to be a, you know, a playboy in, in, in Miami that that's going to

01:46:11.960 sell to a certain demographic, but not certainly not everybody. And again, it goes back to what

01:46:16.860 I was saying before the TLDR generation too long. Didn't read. I don't know if you want TLDR means,

01:46:23.800 but it's this it's this, this, we have such short attention spans right now. Like I said,

01:46:30.580 people won't even, you know, watch a 59 second video. So that's the, that's the mentality

01:46:36.640 that I have to deal with as a guy who's sort of like brokering and information, I guess.

01:46:42.100 So for me, like I can understand, excuse me, why guys want those easy answers. They want a

01:46:48.900 prescription because they go, okay, okay. So here's the solution. Here's the, I want a better

01:46:53.020 life. How do I get a better life? Right. And then they get like, oh, here's 10 rules for me to be,

01:46:57.700 okay i'm going to follow these rules and they get down to the 10th rule and they go okay or whether

01:47:03.460 or not they even get to the 10th rule is it's kind of like in question because after they get to like

01:47:07.600 rule number three they're like throw this away and find something else because the attention span is

01:47:12.080 not there it's tldr so does it actually do something well maybe it did maybe it didn't

01:47:17.760 maybe it improves proves their lives maybe it didn't you're going to hear the success stories

01:47:21.260 but where you're not going to hear is the guys who just read the first three three rules and

01:47:25.140 throw it out the window or like you know self-help books or you know that's the number one by the

01:47:30.220 way that's the number one um genre of books for psychology is self-help and why is that bad

01:47:38.160 i'm saying it's bad it's the desire to want to improve your life not bad that's how you're going

01:47:44.880 about it some people do it through religion some people do it through psychology some people just

01:47:48.780 do it through like perseverance like a jaco willink right i mean just get up at 4 30 in the

01:47:53.220 morning and go to get in the squat rack, which I think is probably a pretty good idea. But what's 0.99

01:47:59.320 your therapy? What's your meditation? What's your program? Maybe it's making a shit ton of money in

01:48:04.680 crypto. Maybe that's where you would thrive, I guess. But my point is this, is that even having

01:48:13.880 discussions of like, well, what about positivity? And what about giving these guys a program?

01:48:17.460 well i mean i can i could do that i could try to be positivity though that doesn't ever work

01:48:23.760 for anyone i don't think well again would you rather be happy or would you rather be right

01:48:27.880 and most people choose right now because they can't choose anything else because they're always

01:48:32.420 plugged into social media they're always plugged into this you know this new database and they

01:48:36.820 can't escape what they used to i mean some guys do right i mean there's still guys who play world

01:48:41.580 of warcraft and live in their sort of like escapisms um there's guys who get addicted to

01:48:46.460 porn, and that's their escapism, or alcohol, prescription drugs, what do you name the escape

01:48:51.800 guys still get get stuck in that because they give up as a result of be of too much reality,

01:48:57.000 human beings can't handle too much reality. And so again, would you rather be happy? Or would you

01:49:01.560 rather be right? It's ignorance bliss, or is it not? And that no matter whether it's in your

01:49:06.620 relationships or in your, you know, your finances or your family or whatever else, that's a question

01:49:11.800 that every human being on planet Earth is going to have to answer pretty soon. When we look at

01:49:16.100 like when you look at COVID, the COVID response right now, I can't believe I'm going to talk

01:49:19.740 about this. When we talk about like the COVID response and just how the hysteria that has

01:49:25.920 sort of come in the wake of it right now, that you're looking at an emotional response versus

01:49:31.060 rational data. It's exactly what I'm talking about here, just in a different theater,

01:49:36.080 just in a different arena. So we have data, we have the answers, we have everything. We see this

01:49:41.000 every day. People go, oh, you're an anti-vaxxer and they want to turn it into sort of this

01:49:44.160 emotional appeal and they want us versus them. And, and they want to have a two-tiered society

01:49:49.660 and let's go put people in COVID concentration camps. And it's like, to the point where like,

01:49:53.920 at what point go like, you know what, that's kind of what those guys in 1938 and Germany did.

01:49:59.540 We don't, that doesn't even occur because they're so invested in the emotional appeal. Like I want

01:50:03.720 to be happy. And then the other people who are anti-vax or who are like, Hey, I'm not going to,

01:50:08.480 like for me, example, I'm not going to take the vaccine because I read the data and I see what's

01:50:12.740 going on. And to me, making an empirical, reasonable, rational decision is like, I'm not

01:50:17.240 going to, I don't have anything to do with that. It looks to me like it's a, you know, genetically

01:50:21.180 modified or a genetically engineered vaccine for a genetically engineered virus. So when I look at

01:50:29.280 that and I see the data and I know what, you know, the rudimentary understanding of like what CRISPR

01:50:34.460 is, you know, I look at that and I go, no, not going to do it. Don't care. And it's not a religious

01:50:38.600 reason. And it's not, I don't want any religious exemption. I don't, it's not because I'm like,

01:50:43.080 you know, better than anybody else. I'm just making a rational, reasonable decision for

01:50:47.140 myself. Well, at the same time, people want to like firebomb my house because they think I'm

01:50:53.520 an anti-vaxxer because that's their emotional response to my rational, reasonable response.

01:51:00.140 And that's just one arena. Now put that into politics, put that into religion, put that into

01:51:05.420 your personal relationships when you're trying to reproduce and have a good life with a wife and a

01:51:10.120 kid. So you're going to have to answer that fundamental question. Would you rather be right

01:51:14.740 or would you rather be happy? And right now, I think we're getting to the point where nobody

01:51:19.540 can be happy because we have such access to data that it preoccupies us all the time

01:51:25.540 with our very short attention spans. Yes, I agree. I think that I can understand where

01:51:35.100 you're coming from, from, you know, um, not being impressed with a prescription for people to

01:51:40.160 improve their lives. But I think some of the fundamental ways of living, even some of the

01:51:44.580 stuff, the Bible teaches you fundamental ways to organize your life can help people. So I think

01:51:50.660 what my dad's trying to do with his book isn't, Hey, follow these 10 easy steps. I don't think

01:51:55.580 any of the steps are easy. Like try telling the truth all the time. I think what's funny about

01:52:00.400 your dad's work is that it is, it used to be common sense. It used to be something that,

01:52:05.880 like, why, why do I need, like, what do I need to read this for? This is just like,

01:52:10.440 who doesn't know this, right? Well, a lot of people don't know this, you know, a lot of people.

01:52:15.120 And, um, I think that's one of the, I think that's part of the appeal of guys who just have

01:52:20.040 like this nuts and bolts, you know, salt of the earth, uh, take on things. Now, the other thing

01:52:24.320 is this is, you know, if you, well, the reason I wrote the fourth book on religion is exactly that.

01:52:29.520 I'm not saying that they're like, people come at me and they go, are you shitting on religion?

01:52:33.680 You know, like, are you shitting on, on Christianity or Islam or Judaism or what?

01:52:38.860 I'm like, no, I'm not.

01:52:40.240 I said, oh, so then it's a, so you're shitting on atheism.

01:52:43.460 No, no, I'm not.

01:52:44.480 I'm, I'm analyzing this.

01:52:46.580 I'm, I'm an analyst.

01:52:47.900 I'm not a, I'm not proselytizing for anything.

01:52:50.900 I mentioned that in the very beginning of the introduction of the book.

01:52:54.480 I said, if you are an atheist to thinking that this is going to validate your views,

01:52:58.160 You are in for a big disappointment. And I said, if you are a Christian, Muslim, Jew, Hindu, whatever, Krishna, Sikh, whatever, and you think that this is going to validate your views, you're also going to be very disappointed because this is not to say, oh, well, this religion is red pill and this one is not. That's not what I did.

01:53:15.680 All I did was analyze current trends. I analyzed religions from a red pill perspective. 0.95

01:53:22.760 Again, it's not people. And you'll notice that that's the first impression. People have an 0.99

01:53:27.460 emotional response to like, oh, I don't want to read this because I think Rolo is shitting on

01:53:30.760 my religion, or I think Rolo is not recognizing atheism. I'm like, no, I'm giving you an objective

01:53:36.700 understanding and objective analysis, at least from my perspective anyways, of what's going on.

01:53:41.600 but that's the initial response. So, yeah, I understand what your dad, your dad's saying.

01:53:46.720 I understand also, you know, in religion, I could quote Islam. There's lots of great wisdom in

01:53:50.880 Islam. There's lots of great wisdom in Judaism, in Krishna, in whatever, you know, you can find

01:53:56.320 little bits and pieces that say, okay, well, they, they figured this out a long time ago,

01:54:00.280 but as I said before, common sense is at a premium right now. So ancient wisdom is probably

01:54:06.280 at a much higher premium as well so when i talk about um red pill principles i try to couch it

01:54:13.020 in terms of like i've said this and i don't know i apparently this isn't sinking in but i've said

01:54:17.380 it enough times i believe that men and women are compliments to one another i think and you don't

01:54:22.180 need the bible to tell you that i mean it's nice to hear you to read it in your bible for sure

01:54:26.500 but men and women are compliments to one another from an evolutionary perspective and sometimes

01:54:32.080 religion, and empirical, evolutionary, hard data,

01:54:35.920 you know, rationalism, whatever, they coincide.

01:54:38.420 They actually suddenly come together, right?

01:54:41.000 So if I say, well, men and women are innate compliments

01:54:44.640 to one another, even if you look at our neurological wiring,

01:54:49.060 if you look at fMRI scans of men's brains and women's brains,

01:54:52.580 there are gender differences,

01:54:54.200 or biological gendered differences that are hard data. 0.50

01:54:57.940 The blank slate is bullshit.

01:55:00.160 Social constructionism is bullshit.

01:55:02.420 But when you present that to people and they don't want to hear that, that's when they

01:55:08.680 have an emotional response or they could go the other way.

01:55:11.340 I said exactly this to Elijah, Elijah Schaefer last week.

01:55:16.240 And I said, men and women are innate, evolved complements to one another.

01:55:20.480 I said, my strengths as a man, as a masculine, conventionally masculinity innately complements 0.75

01:55:27.340 it's women's conventional femininity. And as I said before, like you can override that with 0.99

01:55:32.760 your learning and your, your, your programming. But if we go down, you could get down to nuts

01:55:37.160 and bolts or you look at brain scans and you look at innate gender differences, the compliments are

01:55:42.040 just like this. Does that gel with the Bible? Yeah, it kind of does. So do you need, do you

01:55:49.520 need a religion to tell you that? Well, great. If that's the case, then go with it. Do you need 0.57

01:55:54.020 science or, or, you know, empirical, you know, objective, objectivism to tell you that great go

01:55:59.460 with that because it's true no matter for, for either way. So I, I, I said this at the very end

01:56:06.000 of that book, and I'll leave you with this is I, uh, there's this little cartoon and it was this

01:56:11.100 guy who, uh, uh, I forget the name of who the cartoonist was, but, uh, it's this guy who's

01:56:18.000 looks like he's like from like Kung Fu. Like he's like trying to find the, the, the guru master at

01:56:23.820 the top of the mountain kind of thing. So he can learn how to like throw a punch or be, you know,

01:56:27.740 like, uh, you know, uses, uh, martial arts or something like that. He finds the guru at the

01:56:32.500 top of like some, you know, I guess, Tibetan mountain. And he says, you know, uh, master

01:56:36.600 teach me the ways of, you know, Kung Fu, blah, blah, blah. Or he says, uh, how do I throw the

01:56:40.960 perfect punch? And then the, the guru says, uh, well, you, um, you must, um, uh, let go of your

01:56:48.660 conscious mind and go with your unconscious mind or something like that. And then the aspirant guy

01:56:52.340 says well why is that and then so the guru says well because you're using uh uh you know deductive

01:56:58.420 memory or using uh this memory instead of that memory he goes through this like really scientific

01:57:02.320 like explanation as to why you should sort of you know like so you lose yourself and lose your

01:57:07.240 consciousness kind of thing when you're doing things because it's like implicit memory versus

01:57:11.020 like deductive memory or something like that and so he explains it in these really scientific terms

01:57:15.080 and then the aspirant's kind of like he's like confused like can you explain that to me in like

01:57:19.940 in like some mystical, you know, explanation. And so he says, dwell in your inner in this.

01:57:27.340 And he goes, oh, thank you, master. And so he understands it. And that's, it's funny

01:57:30.980 because you, because it seems like a joke and everything, but it's funny because it's

01:57:34.860 recognizable. So we need that magical thinking. Some people anyways, need that magical thinking

01:57:40.480 to learn something because it's easier to wrap your head around if you turn it into some sort

01:57:45.860 of mysticism, but the fundaments, the principles of it are still valid. And I think it was Brett

01:57:52.640 Weinstein who said this, he says, you know, there's a, uh, there is a, what's called a

01:57:55.700 metaphorical truth. Um, there's things that are true that aren't actually true, but it's best

01:58:01.840 as if they are true. And I use that quite a bit in that book. Um, like he gives the example of

01:58:08.020 like, uh, stay away from porcupines because they can shoot their quills at you, which they can't

01:58:13.720 No, no, no porcupine can actually like eject his, you know, quills at you, but it's best

01:58:19.360 to behave as if they can.

01:58:21.580 So you'll stay away from the porcupines because if you get a quill in you, it's going to work

01:58:25.480 its way in.

01:58:26.020 It's going to be really painful and you want to stay away from that.

01:58:28.860 So, so objectively, empirically speaking, no, porcupines can't shoot their quills, but

01:58:34.680 it's best to behave as if they can.

01:58:37.080 So the metaphorical truth becomes porcupines can shoot their quills.

01:58:41.220 It's the, it's the folklore kind of thing, right?

01:58:43.720 And then if you take that principle of metaphorical truth and then you put it

01:58:46.960 into master, how do I throw the perfect punch? Well,

01:58:50.740 I can give you like the data and I can tell you like the,

01:58:53.420 the hardcore empirical reasons why that is, but people,

01:58:56.880 they don't want that. They want magic. They want woo woo. You know,

01:59:01.680 they want to, they want to be able to say, dwell in your inner in this.

01:59:04.720 And if that's how they learn that, that truth,

01:59:08.080 is it any different than actually having learned it from, you know,

01:59:11.620 books and having explained to you in hard data. And so I explained that. So if you want some sort

01:59:16.940 of crossover, I think there's a lot of crossover. I get in trouble with this by the way, because

01:59:21.280 when I talk about magical thinking, people tend to give me grief about it because they think that

01:59:27.920 they associate it with like atrocities of religion and charlatans. And there's a lot of ways to abuse

01:59:35.380 magical thinking, I guess, but magical thinking is where our imagination is as well. So the

01:59:41.500 same, same element or same module, I guess, that we use in our brain that says, Hmm, I wonder if

01:59:46.720 there's a God. I wonder if there's things that there's ghosts. I wonder if there's, you know,

01:59:50.660 you know, UFOs or whatever, that same kind of like capacity to imagine things. I think that

01:59:55.920 that's very, very important, but it can be, can it be abused? Yes. Lots of examples through human

02:00:01.640 history where it's abused, but it's also necessary so that we can watch great movies like, you know,

02:00:07.660 the Avengers, you know, or, or the ring that is a great movie. We have to have, we have to have

02:00:12.820 that magical thinking elements to our biology so that we can be good storytellers so that we,

02:00:20.020 whether they're true or not, you know, I guess it's the metaphorical truth. There's teaching

02:00:23.660 a lesson. Did it, did the Lord of the Rings actually happen? No, but you can still learn

02:00:27.780 a lot from like the stories and the things that are going on in there or they're relating sort

02:00:32.200 of the human condition, but you have to have that, that imaginary mentality. I, I started out the

02:00:37.560 book with, I think it was an Einstein quote, which is like, what's more important, knowledge

02:00:42.140 or imagination? Now, of course, Einstein says, oh, it's imagination. I would argue that it's both.

02:00:47.440 And that goes back again to reason versus emotion. Imagination, woo-woo, magical thinking

02:00:52.160 versus empiricism and data. Believers versus empiricists. And right now, certainly for the

02:00:59.020 last quarter century, maybe even longer than maybe 50 years, I guess, we have prioritized

02:01:05.040 emotion above reason. And we're getting to a point right now, I think since year 2000,

02:01:11.500 that because we have access to data, all of the things that we thought were true as a result of

02:01:16.120 this sort of emotionalism and get in touch with your feelings and get in touch with your feminine

02:01:21.240 side and express yourself emotionally and follow your heart because it'll never fail you. It'll

02:01:26.160 lead you down the right path, right? Whether it leads you off a cliff or not is irrelevant,

02:01:30.240 but it sounds right. You're so made this. And now we have data and now we're it's unignorable

02:01:36.820 and it conflicts with that old order emotionalist thinking. And that's why you get people throwing

02:01:42.420 rocks at you over COVID. That's why you get people to say, well, role is always negative.

02:01:46.280 No, I'm just giving you the example. And sometimes it doesn't taste good because

02:01:49.600 you wanted an emotional treat and not a rational, reasonable treat.

02:01:53.900 okay rollo well thank you very much for coming on that was fun glad i can clarify things for you too

02:02:04.420 so yes i'm probably going to still be out there searching for my soulmate but

02:02:09.520 but um but that was good thank you again for coming on uh if if people want to find you where

02:02:17.100 should they go uh you can find me at the rational mail.com that's my blog um you can also find all

02:02:23.120 four of my books on Amazon, just type in the rational mail in the search engine. You'll find

02:02:27.700 out four of them. Uh, I of course have a weekly podcast and sometimes it's bi-weekly. Um, I am

02:02:34.640 on at, uh, 1.00 PM Pacific 4.00 PM Eastern on my channel, which is called the rational mail.

02:02:39.800 Uh, I sometimes do Wednesday shows except for this Wednesday or cause I knew I was doing this.

02:02:44.280 Um, and then I'm also on a panel show called rule zero, which is every Saturday at, uh, 1130 AM

02:02:50.560 Eastern time. And, uh, I'm working on a fifth book right now, actually. So, uh, that that's

02:02:57.900 in the works and I do a lot of, you have a title. Um, I have a working title called the player's

02:03:03.660 handbook at this point, but that's, it's more about you want nuts and bolts there. That's

02:03:09.340 going to be the nuts and bolts book. Um, but, uh, I think that's it. Oh, and then you can find me

02:03:14.120 on Twitter. I am roll at Tomasi at rational mail. Okay. Well, thank you again for coming on. Sure.

02:03:20.080 Thanks for having me.

The Mikhaila Peterson Podcast - December 30, 2021

131. Rollo Tomassi on the Mikhaila Peterson Podcast

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