00:00:31.460But the double-blind controlled trial is what's used for the initial approval of virtually all vaccines, to my knowledge.
00:00:38.240And we live in 2021, in most of the Western world, in a place where we don't have to think about deaths from measles or deaths from diarrhea or pediatric pneumonia deaths.
00:12:11.620I never knew anybody with any of those diseases, with the exception of maybe ADHD.
00:12:16.600but all of these diseases when when congress told the epa what year did the autism epidemic start
00:12:26.540autism has gone from one in 10 000 in my generation and to this day it's one in 10 000
00:12:34.280i've never met a man my age 67 years old with full-blown autism you know non-verbal non-toilet
00:12:42.680trained, stimming, headbanging, toe walking. You just don't see them. And they're not locked up
00:12:50.920anywhere because there are no places for people like that. In my kids' generation, so it's one
00:12:56.200in 10,000 according to CDC data. It's one in 22 in my children's generation. And when Congress
00:13:04.400said to EPA, tell us what year that epidemic began. EPA came back and said that it was
00:13:13.8401989, that there's a red line. Oh, you know, see, so it's those diseases, it's also the
00:13:23.180allergic diseases, which also went epidemic in 89 diseases, like food allergies, peanut allergies,
00:13:30.320disease, eczema, anaphylaxis, and asthma, and then the autoimmune diseases suddenly
00:13:35.940became ubiquitous stuff we never heard of as a kid, juvenile diabetes, rheumatoid arthritis,
00:13:42.360lupus, Graves' disease, Crohn's disease, Guillain-Barre, all of these autoimmune injuries.
00:13:49.340And, you know, and all of those incidentally are listed as vaccine side effects on the manufacturer's inserts of the 72 vaccines that are not doses that are not required for our children.
00:14:07.300and that's the one place where the pharmaceutical companies tell the truth because under the
00:14:14.860vaccine act you cannot sue a vaccine company for injuring you no matter how negligent they were
00:14:20.580no matter how reckless they were no matter how grievous your injury you cannot sue them
00:14:25.880the only exception to that is if they knew of an injury that it's caused by their vaccine and
00:14:31.840they failed to list it on their manufacturer's insert. And so there are 420 injuries listed on
00:14:40.060the manufacturer's insert. And by the way, they're not allowed to list them unless the FDA believes
00:14:47.660that that injury was caused by the vaccine or that there is significant scientific evidence
00:14:54.180that supports the association. So all of these, we now have this chronic disease epidemic in our
00:15:03.240country. There's about 175 diseases of chronic diseases that are now epidemic. And every single
00:15:11.640one of them is listed as a side effect on those 72 vaccines, on at least one of those 72 vaccines
00:15:19.840doses. Okay. So in your view, which of the vaccines that are now given to children are
00:15:28.100necessary given the severity of the disease it's preventing versus the potential side effects?
00:15:37.500Well, you tell me what disease do you consider a threat? Because I would say there's diseases
00:15:44.040that aren't aren't even casually contagious that most of the vaccines after 1989 were added not
00:15:51.840for public health reasons but for profit pharmaceutical profit reasons so why are we
00:15:58.200vaccinating one day old babies for hepatitis b when the only way they're going to get hepatitis b0.86
00:16:05.880is you know the hepatitis b is sexually transmitted you got it from having sex with you know with0.96
00:16:13.140from multiple partners in gay sex or from sex workers or intravenous drug use. Why would you0.97
00:16:22.300give that to a baby? It clearly the only reason, in fact, Merck, when it developed the drug, was
00:16:28.280told by FDA and CDC, we want you to develop this for those vulnerable populations. And the
00:16:34.860populations, when they didn't buy it, Merck went back to the agencies and saying, you told us to
00:16:40.900developing this vaccine. Nobody's buying it. And CDC said, don't worry, we'll just recommend it
00:16:46.860for children. We'll force everybody to buy it. So that's how it got on the schedule. There's no
00:16:52.800medical justification. It's true that you can get hepatitis B from an infected mother,
00:16:58.700but every mother in every hospital in the United States is tested for hepatitis B. So you can
00:17:04.580identify the kids who would benefit. You don't give it mass population-wide. The meningitis
00:17:16.680vaccine by its own manufacturer's insert, the injury rate, the risk for death. If you vaccinate
00:17:25.900every college kid in this country with meningitis vaccine, by their own reckoning, you will kill
00:17:32.860more people from vaccine injuries than are killed by the disease annual. I think there's maybe
00:17:38.10012 or 15 people who die annually from hepatitis B, I mean, from meningitis. The rotavirus vaccine
00:17:47.000is almost certainly killing more kids and injuring really grievous injuries to children than
00:17:53.940rotavirus. So, you know, and, you know, chickenpox, why are we giving chickenpox? It's causing a
00:18:02.100shingles epidemic. Shingles is 20 times as deadly as chickenpox. Oh, and we knew that. And if you go
00:18:08.420to the Europe, you know, in most European countries, the chickenpox vaccine is prohibited.
00:18:15.220In Europe, if you go on in the UK, if you go on the National Health Service website and look up
00:18:23.580chickenpox, they say, we're not going to give it in the UK because it causes shingles epidemics.
00:18:28.720And that, of course, is much more dangerous to get shingles than it is chicken pox.
00:18:35.920Chicken pox, you know, is a harmless rash and subtherapeutic in virtually everybody.
00:18:43.040But if they don't, I mean, but if you don't, but if you don't, if you don't get chicken pox when you're a kid and you don't get that lifetime immunity, you're much more likely to get shingles when it gets older.
00:18:55.720And there's, you know, there's lots of scientific data. CDC's own studies. And I'll give you the name of the author. Gary Goldman predicted that if you go forward with this vaccine, you will have a shingles epidemic and it will be more deadly than chicken pox. And that's exactly what happened here. And that's exactly why the British don't do it.
00:19:19.320is that because you have you get the vaccine and then the immunity wears off
00:19:24.880potentially well here's what happens in a natural population kids would get chicken pox
00:19:31.800usually that came in two-year cycles so kids would get chicken pox and they'd have lifetime
00:19:37.620immunity but the lifetime immunity was dependent on the kids get on the adults getting periodically
00:19:47.000exposed to chickenpox. Your exposure to children who had chickenpox acted like a booster where
00:19:53.480it reactivated your own immunity. There were small numbers of people who got shingles at that time,
00:19:59.720but generally speaking, they were people who did not have contact with children.
00:20:04.460When I was a kid, shingles were associated with a kind of grouchy old curmudgeons of, you know,
00:20:10.440older people who hated kids and we didn't know nobody knew we didn't know why but those were
00:20:17.120the people who ended up getting shingles and of course it made them more pissed off when they got
00:20:21.080shingles um because very very painful and it also can kill you and it could cause blindness it's a
00:20:27.920really dangerous disease if you get that vaccine the immunity wears off and you know seven to ten
00:20:35.360years is gone and for many from i think a third or 50 percent of the population those people are
00:20:43.560now vulnerable to adult chickenpox which is very dangerous or shingles which is essentially is the
00:20:50.320same as oster virus and you know i mean of course the the vaccine companies love it because what
00:20:57.760MERT did is it's giving people chicken pox shots, which makes a high level of the population then
00:21:04.860vulnerable to shingles. And in order to make the shingles vaccine, it just puts a double dose of
00:21:11.800the chicken pox in one vial and gives you that and say, now you had a chicken shingles vaccine
00:21:17.420and it's cranking in money by giving us the shingles and by then saving us from shingles. So
00:21:24.460it's a scam. And, you know, we shouldn't be surprised. These pharmaceutical companies are
00:21:30.460criminal enterprises. The four companies that make all of our vaccines have paid $72 billion
00:21:39.520in criminal penalties since 2000 or civil damages or falsifying signs for lying to regulators for
00:21:49.980bribing, blackmailing doctors. These are the companies that created the opioid crisis that
00:21:55.540they, you know, Merck gave us Vioxx, which killed 100,000 Americans at least. And, you know,
00:22:04.340and they did it knowing it was going to cause heart attacks and they didn't tell the public.
00:22:08.520So these companies are not companies we should trust. And the only reason they got caught in
00:22:14.840all those cases because the individual plaintiff's attorneys like myself, representing
00:22:19.620individual clients who were injured, recovered documents on discovery that showed criminal
00:22:25.960conduct, and then walked them down to the U.S. attorney's office and said, you should
00:22:29.820prosecute these people because they're criminals. The only place that could never happen is vaccines
00:22:36.000because you can't sue them. So there's no discovery. There's no depositions. There's
00:22:40.380no class actions or multi-district litigation. They can get away with anything they want forever.
00:22:45.820that's why it's so dangerous that's why we need public scrutiny on this industry because they are
00:22:52.660they are a rogue outlaw industry that is making money and you know listen if they if they give
00:23:02.500you a measles vaccine if i listen i had measles when i kid i had 11 brothers and sisters we all
00:23:09.320got measles. It was a great week. We stayed home. We watched sea hunt. We got soup. What is the cure
00:23:18.300for measles? The treatment for measles is chicken soup and vitamin A. You can't patent those. So
00:23:25.700pharma was seeing all these people who were sick and making no money. But if they give you measles
00:23:31.900an MMR vaccine and now one in every couple thousand people get the seizures and one in
00:23:38.040every 1,000 of them now has lifetime epilepsy. You now have a customer for life who's paying
00:23:45.660a lot of money for chronic disease. Every one of these childhood diseases,
00:23:51.540umps, measles, chickenpox, were self-limiting. In other words, after a week, they're gone,
00:23:58.080and they were all treatable. None of the chronic diseases that are caused by vaccine
00:24:04.340are self-limiting their lifetime injuries they're untrue they're they're treatable the symptoms are
00:24:10.820treatable but you're addicted you now you have an a seven you know like i'm buying for my kids
00:24:15.960six hundred dollar epipens for life and albuterol inhalers and you know adderall and all of these
00:24:25.360things that are that we now are are this generation is addicted to because they've all got chronic
00:24:33.160disease. I'm not saying the vaccines are causing all those chronic diseases because our kids today
00:24:40.280are swimming around in a toxic soup that we've created for them. I don't just sue vaccine
00:24:46.200companies. I sue Monsanto and fluoride companies and EMFs, PFOAs. I'm suing Monsanto for PFOAs too,1.00
00:24:55.500which is another suspect in the chronic disease epidemic.
00:53:11.960And we have really great hepatitis B vaccines.
00:53:14.800And initially, those were given to people that were high risk because maybe they were
00:53:18.860injection drug users or they got blood transfusions or they worked in the healthcare industry
00:53:22.440or they were commercial sex workers based on the way that hepatitis B transmits.
00:53:28.200And what we saw is that there were really still major gaps in uptake of the vaccine.
00:53:33.960And what studies showed was giving the vaccine early on at birth increases the rate of uptake.
00:53:42.640And what we've seen is this safe and effective vaccine given to newborns ended up translating to lower hepatitis B rates throughout lifetime and in the country.
00:53:52.140So the reason why they give that vaccine isn't because the two-day-old is at risk for getting hepatitis B, although they could get it from their mother.
00:53:59.640it's because when you give the vaccine at that point it ensures that they actually get vaccinated
00:54:05.920because we saw drop-offs even if you say maybe don't get it before you leave the hospital but
00:54:10.580get it at your first child your child's pediatrician's visit your child's pediatrician
00:54:14.740visit we saw a drop-off and that translated into more hepatitis b cases so that's why the
00:54:20.140recommendation came to give this vaccine to babies before they leave the hospital because
00:54:24.920it ensured that they got the vaccine. And we saw actual benefits in terms of hepatitis B risk
00:54:30.320in cases based on changing the policy to recommend it before people leave the hospital.
00:54:36.700So then why not give some of these other vaccines earlier?
00:54:40.060Because vaccines are not given arbitrarily. They have to be given at certain times based on
00:54:44.840the immune system, based on other things that are going on. And for many vaccines,
00:54:50.060if you give them too early, and this isn't the case with hepatitis B, the maternal antibodies
00:54:55.200that the child is exposed to through the placenta will interfere with the vaccine.
00:54:59.660So for example, if you give an influenza vaccine to a child below the age of six months, a
00:55:04.400lot of that vaccine won't really actually do anything because there's so much maternal
00:55:07.640influenza antibody that basically mop up the vaccine.
00:55:10.840The same is true for the measles, mumps, rubella.
00:55:13.420So we tend to wait until the antibodies fall, and that's when we give the vaccines.
00:55:18.820But there's always a little bit of latitude when the best time to give the vaccines are,
00:55:23.160but it is based on the immune system of the developing child, as well as the epidemiology
00:55:44.160There's no evidence to support that waiting longer changes anything with the
00:55:48.660safety profile. I think this is something that is misunderstood. You should get the vaccine when
00:55:53.420it's the appropriate time to get the vaccine. And they have been proven to be safe and effective at
00:55:58.000the time that you're giving them. And there's no evidence that delaying the vaccine somehow
00:56:01.840increases the safety when the vaccine is needed at a certain period of time or has been studied
00:56:07.640in that certain time period. I think it's sort of arbitrary to say, maybe if we give it later,
00:56:12.220it might work better. But it could be the other way around. It could also work less well when
00:56:16.300you give it later, or it could not work and have more side effects when it works later. I think
00:56:20.120that people don't really understand that these aren't just kind of people throwing a dart at a
00:56:25.800timeline and saying, this is what we're going to give the vaccine. They actually think about when
00:56:29.460the optimal time to give it is. Okay. Is it true that there are no, in order to get a vaccine
00:56:36.600tested, they don't do double blind studies, or is that not true? That's not true. For example,
00:56:42.640the COVID-19 vaccines, these were double-blind placebo-controlled studies where people didn't
00:56:47.980know if they were getting an innocuous substance injected into them or the COVID-19 vaccine. So
00:56:52.960double-blind controlled trials are the gold standard for vaccine trials and for trials of
00:56:58.080any other type of medication. Is that just for the vaccine for COVID or is that for other vaccines
00:57:03.200as well? Other vaccines are studied in double-blind trials. There's multiple different trial designs.
00:57:07.820The gold standard is double-blind placebo-controlled trials. Sometimes we do head-to-head trials with two different types of vaccines if there are two competitors out there or an improved vaccine, but the double-blind controlled trial is what's used for the initial approval of virtually all vaccines to my knowledge.
00:57:24.120okay here's another concern that's frequently brought up aluminum and vaccines as the adjuvant
00:57:32.880is there evidence that that either accumulates in tissues or that that's toxic in other ways
00:57:37.680or that it links people to allergens in the environment while you're provoking an immune
00:57:42.420response to whatever disease you're being vaccinated against there's no evidence that
00:57:48.560aluminum as an adjuvant is harmful actually aluminum as an adjuvant is helpful we put
00:57:52.700aluminum in vaccines, so they actually stimulate your immune system in a more strong fashion to
00:57:57.540give you more protection. I actually wish our vaccines had more adjuvants in them, but sometimes
00:58:02.240people don't like the feeling after an adjuvant because it does make your arm a little bit sore
00:58:06.140if you get an adjuvanted vaccine. But no, there's no evidence that the currently used adjuvants have
00:58:10.680any major problem, especially not aluminum, which is one of the more widely used adjuvants.
00:58:17.380But in general, you have to remember that it's not like people are giving adjuvants in order to try
00:58:21.340and harm somebody with them, the adjuvant is there because they're trying to make the vaccine
00:58:25.920more effective. Adjuvants are an important tool that we use. Is it possible though, that by adding
00:58:32.020an adjuvant, people exposed to other allergens while they're being vaccinated could end up with
00:58:38.860allergies to whatever that other allergen is like the uprise in peanuts or, or egg whites. I had
00:58:44.860this, this, and this could be completely off and I'm totally aware of that, but I know that there
00:58:50.480were, I believe it was egg whites added to vaccines to trigger an immune response. And I
00:58:55.720know there was an uptick in egg allergies, an uptick in peanut allergies, soy allergies.
00:59:01.680I'm wondering if that has any link between the increase in vaccination for children.
00:59:06.860I don't think there's any strong evidence to support that. And it's important to remember,
00:59:10.160like when you look at aluminum, remember you get tons of aluminum in your normal diet. It's
00:59:13.720the amount that's in a vaccine is much less than what you're ingesting or getting exposed to in
00:59:18.560the environment. There have been reactions to certain adjuvants in the past that have precluded
00:59:24.680their use or have questions. For example, during the pandemic of H1N1 in 2009, there were some
00:59:29.920adjuvanted vaccines that have somewhat been linked to narcolepsy. That hasn't been fully
00:59:34.420proven, but it was a signal. And I think people are cautious about those adjuvants in certain
00:59:39.860situations. But in general, remember that we're talking about risk-benefit ratios and what you're
00:59:47.340trying to protect against. And I think that all in all, the adjuvanted vaccines are an improvement
00:59:53.320on vaccines. And there isn't any clear indication that they provoke or cause allergies. Although
00:59:59.980there have been reactions to adjuvants, like I mentioned with narcolepsy in certain pandemic
01:00:04.480H1N1 vaccines, and certain adjuvants definitely make your arm hurt, you get more reactogenic,
01:00:10.340but that's sort of part of the adjuvant working. But in general, I think that the more adjuvants
01:00:14.720we had in vaccines, the more effective our vaccines would be, the less we would need
01:00:18.060boosters, the less we would have to worry about breakthrough infections with whatever
01:00:23.540Just out of curiosity, what was the adjuvant that's potentially linked to narcolepsy?
01:00:27.900Although you said that wasn't proven, just out of curiosity.
01:00:31.360The adjuvant that was suspected to be involved with narcolepsy is something called ASO3,
01:00:37.300which is kind of an oil and water emulsion adjuvant is what it's described as.
01:00:42.260that's the one where there was some hint that narcolepsy might have been more common in people
01:00:47.180who received vaccines containing that adjuvant. But that was something that our safety systems
01:00:51.440detected and quickly have been trying to run down and understand. It wasn't something that was
01:00:56.760not well known. This was something that was clear when that signal was identified.
01:01:04.920And did they identify that before the vaccine went out?
01:01:08.160no this was something that they had seen anecdotally reported after the vaccine was
01:01:15.100was um used it wasn't used in every country so for example in the united states that that type
01:01:20.480of vaccine wasn't used but it was used in places like canada um and it was picked up with the
01:01:25.380safety signal saying that there there had been some some cases of narcolepsy and this is still
01:01:30.820something that isn't completely understood why this happened or or what type of signal it was
01:01:35.900And I think it's still an area of active investigation of narcolepsies linked to some of these pandemic vaccines, because there hadn't been vaccines that have caused up in the past before we got this, but that management was quite clear what happened with that management and in that side effect.
01:01:54.780And I think it's still something that is a correlation signal, but not something that I would say has been definitively unraveled.
01:02:26.100I don't think that that's accurate representation.
01:02:29.480When we look at what happened in that, first of all, when you look at that, you have to
01:02:32.720understand what the cause of death, what the cause of deaths were.
01:02:35.380are they related to the treatment, first of all? And I think that those raw numbers are wrong. I
01:02:39.140think when you look at the Pfizer data, and I don't have it memorized to be able to quote it
01:02:43.980off the top of my head, I've seen no such signal like that. And when you look at where the COVID-19
01:02:49.620cases occurred, it was almost exclusively in the placebo group. And there wasn't really any
01:02:56.300imbalance in deaths that is concerning. I think that the Pfizer vaccine, even beyond the clinical
01:03:02.360trial has really proven its ability to save lives. And I don't think that that's an accurate
01:03:07.220representation of what deaths occurred. But remember, even just looking at raw numbers
01:03:13.060of deaths in a trial, you have to understand that people are still, especially when you're
01:03:16.960vaccinating higher risk people, or you're vaccinating people that might have other
01:03:20.280conditions, that there may be other diseases that may cause them to succumb, which might cause
01:03:25.280deaths in a treatment group, in any clinical trial that are unrelated to the treatment.
01:03:29.600but I don't think that those numbers seem to be accurate to me, but I don't have that trial data
01:03:35.000right in front of me to be able to actually address it specifically. The concern I've heard
01:03:41.380was that, okay, so I think people read about this in the news, is that the vaccine can potentially
01:03:46.520cause some sort of heart problem. And so in the Pfizer study, more people died of heart attacks
01:03:52.740in the vaccine group than they did in the placebo group. So then you have people saying, okay,
01:03:57.280it and can increase your risk of a heart attack. So it's not death by COVID, but it's still an
01:04:02.800associated death. So the heart conditions that people are talking about with COVID-19 vaccines
01:04:08.900are not heart attacks. It's something called myocarditis, which is different. It's heart
01:04:13.000inflammation. And when you look at those myocarditis cases, they tend to be very mild
01:04:17.140and not leading to death. Whereas when you look at COVID-19 and it's linked to heart attacks,
01:04:22.980we see that there is kind of a synergy between COVID-19 and coronary artery disease and heart
01:04:28.500attacks that have occurred. So I don't think that the myocarditis or these side effects that people
01:04:33.300are talking about, and there is a signal for myocarditis with the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines,
01:04:37.660primarily in boys that are in their late teen years to early adulthood, that's not a heart
01:04:44.200attack. And that's not really something that to me changes the risk benefit ratio of the vaccine,
01:04:50.880because those myocarditis cases tend to be mild. They tend to be something that's reversible.
01:04:55.820And the rate of myocarditis that occurs from the vaccine is much lower than the rate of
01:05:01.140myocarditis that occurs post-COVID. That's a good point, post-COVID.
01:05:09.580Do you think it's worth mandating that people below the age of 18 need to get these COVID
01:05:15.700vaccines. So when you use the word mandate, it's important to kind of unpack it. Mandate can mean
01:05:21.640many things. Is it something that schools want to require as a condition of enrollment? Is it
01:05:26.880something that a sports team or a sports league wants to have for kids to participate in that
01:05:31.240sport? Or is it something that government is actually saying this needs to be done as a
01:05:35.360condition of life? And I think that it's important to, because people lump all of those together,
01:05:39.480because to me, a mandate would be something, a true mandate would be something that the
01:05:43.180government actually says. And no, I don't think that the government should mandate the vaccine
01:05:47.980for people that are under the ages of 18. I think if schools want to do that as a condition of
01:05:52.600enrollment, that's perfectly fine. And I would say that that's a reasonable decision to make.
01:05:57.140If organizations want to do that, for example, for kids to participate in something, I think
01:06:01.740that's something that can be done. But I don't think it should be the government making that
01:06:06.040decision to make the mandate. I think this is something that private organizations can do.
01:06:11.700It's a little bit muddled because governments control private institutions like what would be private institutions in some situations like schools.
01:06:18.940But I think in general, no, I don't think it should be a government mandate that children under the age of children be vaccinated.
01:06:26.840And I think in general, government mandates for vaccination are probably not are not the way to do this.
01:06:32.700I think private organizations are much better suited to do this, and it's a much cleaner way of actually getting vaccine uptake hires to have private businesses do it because it's in their interest to do so, rather than it being something that the government requires of people.
01:06:50.760Is it true that if you do end up vaccine injured, which can be rare, but if that does happen, that there's nothing you can really do about it in regards to suing vaccine companies?
01:07:02.700this differs depending upon the country that you're in but in the united states
01:07:07.400they have a separate system uh which is called the these there was this they're called vaccine
01:07:13.420courts or there's a vaccine injury compensation fund so when you get a vaccine or you buy a
01:07:18.180vaccine there's a tax on it and that is put towards this fund so when you do have a vaccine
01:07:23.980injury you can bring that claim to the vaccine court and they adjudicate that to see whether or
01:07:29.320not there is a plausible link between the vaccine and whatever injury. And then there is a payout
01:07:33.800from that vaccine injury compensation fund that exists. So this was something that was set up
01:07:38.300during the Reagan administration as a way to encourage companies to get involved in vaccines
01:07:43.680because vaccines are controversial. They've been controversial since they were first invented in
01:07:47.500the late 1700s. And many pharmaceutical companies said they didn't even want to get involved in
01:07:52.260vaccines or they were pulling out because it was such a litigious area. And that would be really
01:07:57.300bad for all of us if companies didn't want to make vaccines. We've had shortages of flu vaccines and
01:08:02.280tetanus vaccines. And I think that's not the situation we want to have where companies are
01:08:07.260not wanting to do it. So what was offered as a solution was an alternative court system with
01:08:12.720this injury compensation fund where it brings those injury claims to that court. So it's not
01:08:18.440as if you have no recourse if you do get injured by a vaccine. There is a whole separate process
01:08:23.320put in place for that exact reason. I think that this is a mistaken idea that it's not as if you
01:08:30.980just have nothing to do if you've been actually legitimately injured by a vaccine. There is a
01:08:36.760whole system in place to be able to handle those claims. Okay. That's interesting. I didn't know
01:08:41.360that, but then you can't do it the regular way where you can sue a company. No, it's something
01:08:47.040separate. Depending upon the vaccine, depending upon that there's certain criteria for which
01:08:52.420claims are used in that court, but that's basically an alternative system, an alternative
01:08:58.280court system, an alternative legal framework that's used for vaccines in the United States
01:09:02.180rather than bringing lawsuits directly in normal court. This is a whole separate system that we
01:09:09.540have in order to streamline it, to have expert access, and to have this fund where people can
01:09:18.260get payouts based on whatever injury it is. So it's a parallel system that I think has worked,
01:09:26.640although I think it's widely misunderstood. Yeah, that's interesting. So it was
01:09:32.860potentially set up by the Reagan administration to encourage pharmaceutical companies to invest
01:09:39.540and make vaccines without necessarily feeling like they would be sued repeatedly, that it was
01:09:47.820too dangerous of a, I guess, a mission to go on. Right. So if you, if you're a, if you're a
01:09:53.040pharmaceutical company and you're looking at what do I want to invest in, what do I want to make?
01:09:57.120Vaccines are never at the top of the list. In general, infectious disease products are never
01:10:00.240at the top of the list. And with vaccines, because of the rise of, of anti-vaccine sentiment,
01:10:05.160because of, because of the way vaccines have kind of been engulfed into kind of cultural wars,
01:10:10.520you find that many companies, that's the last thing that they want to get involved in because
01:10:14.940they're so controversial. And what we were seeing were many vaccine manufacturers,
01:10:19.560traditional vaccine manufacturers kind of pulling out saying, this isn't something we're going to
01:10:23.700really invest in. And that alarmed a lot of people because if we don't have people that
01:10:29.020are adept at making vaccines, we're really going to be at a higher threat for many infectious
01:10:33.400diseases. This was one way to make it much more feasible for these companies to be able to
01:10:40.180produce their products in a manner where they weren't really worried about the downside loss
01:10:45.280for, or all of the lawsuits kind of piling up that they'd have to deal with on a one-by-one basis.
01:10:50.980And that's why this whole alternative system was set up in the 1980s.
01:10:56.780That's interesting. You can see how people can get conspiratorial when things like that happen,
01:11:01.880where they're like, oh, you know, they can't be sued. Like they're immune. So they can go out
01:11:08.280there and potentially harm you and nobody can do anything about it because they have a separate
01:11:12.600court. You can look at that court and see how much money they've paid out and what they've
01:11:20.540actually determined was a vaccine injury versus what wasn't. I think it has worked well because
01:11:26.280the interesting thing is on the other side of this, the anti-vaccine people will often cite
01:11:30.140the payouts as a way to show that vaccines aren't safe, saying the vaccine injury court has paid
01:11:35.260out this much money, that means that these vaccines are not safe, where on the one hand,
01:11:40.680they say that, and on the other hand, they say, well, you have no recourse if you have a vaccine
01:11:44.760injury. So they can't really have it both ways. And I think it's important just to put that on
01:11:49.540the record that this whole system exists in order to deal with the rare vaccine injuries that occur.
01:11:57.060Yeah. Okay. Why do you think, and what have you seen with your public talks, why do you think
01:12:03.680there's so much anti-vaccine sentiment? Well, there's always been anti-vaccine sentiment. I
01:12:09.220think what's happened is we've got a particularly virulent form of it lately. So when Edward Jenner
01:12:14.140invented the first vaccine, the vaccine against smallpox, that's when the anti-vaccine movement
01:12:18.240was born. If you look at the cartoons from the newspapers at that time, they were mocking him
01:12:22.440and saying that people were going to turn into cows if they took this vaccine. And the same thing
01:12:26.740has kind of been true with every new vaccine, that there's been opposition. But what I would
01:12:30.920say has accelerated is that with the allegations in the 1990s regarding the scene, which were
01:12:38.460disproved and shown to be completely fallacious regarding autism, the anti-vaccine movement took
01:12:44.540on a kind of a new strength. And they've been emboldened by celebrity culture, where you've
01:12:49.140got multiple celebrities that sometimes will voice this. And I think that people also have,
01:12:56.360I think that maybe some people have kind of turned against science and scientific knowledge,
01:12:59.960Because when you look, for example, at the way people are against GMOs, for example, where there's really no strong evidence that GMOs or genetically modified organisms cause problems, that same kind of precautionary principle, why should we put something unnatural into our body, that I think has kind of spilled into people's thoughts about vaccines.
01:13:18.200And we live in 2021, in most of the Western world, in a place where we don't have to think
01:13:25.240about deaths from measles or deaths from diarrhea or pediatric pneumonia deaths.