The Mikhaila Peterson Podcast - Ben Greenfield Breaks Down Every Peptide, Patch and Protocol He Uses When He Travels ｜ Ben Greenfield EP 237

00:00:00.000 Red at True Tide is kind of like a sledgehammer for quieting food noise.

00:00:03.060 I inject it on airplane travel days because I don't want to think about eating.

00:00:06.320 I don't have access to good food.

00:00:07.500 Sometimes it's annoying to like pack a cooler and pack all the food.

00:00:10.300 Wild.

00:00:10.840 Ben Greenfield, I have a bunch of questions for you.

00:00:13.260 Well, I might have some for you too.

00:00:15.920 How do you recommend people structure a carnivore diet for a kid?

00:00:20.180 I think if I had had a limited diet when I was a kid, I could have avoided a hip and ankle replacement.

00:00:24.980 I've been avoiding antibiotics and pharmaceuticals for like a decade

00:00:28.320 because I was like, how much did that as a kid contribute to all the dysbiosis and like disease

00:00:33.340 that I have? The rejuvenation effect. People call it like the blood boy stuff. Get the actual young

00:00:37.580 stuff put back in or use stem cells or exosomes. How long has that been around? Give me the children

00:00:42.720 blood. I mean, ever since the days of the vampire, I guess. Texas is the only state where it's

00:00:47.380 actually legal ben greenfield welcome to my theater room your your sauna of a city yes like

00:00:59.940 what noon and it's already probably almost 100 degrees outside yeah this march has been this

00:01:06.080 march is nasty this summer is going to be brutal yeah but not compared to canadian winter i don't

00:01:10.940 know i'm in north idaho you probably have a speed in canada how cold does it get there is it awful

00:01:16.220 It gets pretty cold. We're kind of like on the windswept plane in this little 125 person community. Um, and it gets like, there's, there's definite wind chill factor. Like I get free cryotherapy chamber every time I go out to my office hallway that you walk out of the house and into my office and just wind pours in there. So I don't, well, I don't want that at all. Okay. I have a bunch of questions for you.

00:01:43.120 Okay.

00:01:43.720 And I heard that.

00:01:44.440 Well, I might have some for you too.

00:01:45.980 Okay.

00:01:47.060 And I don't know, are you able to talk about the study?

00:01:51.560 You texted me like a few weeks ago about this study that you were doing.

00:01:55.480 I can talk about it.

00:01:56.340 I'm just going to ask first then.

00:01:57.420 What's the latest on the carnivore study thing?

00:02:00.300 So we're starting in two weeks officially.

00:02:02.840 We've got a bunch of people, although we're still taking applicants if people want to join.

00:02:06.580 They need to have a diagnosis of rheumatoid arthritis or IBD.

00:02:12.760 yep and we're trying to get as many people as we can because the few studies on the carnivore

00:02:20.020 diet specifically are it's like 10 people there was a good study a solid study on IBD where

00:02:26.640 everybody went into remission and it was 10 people so we're trying to we're trying to make that larger

00:02:32.440 and uh move into like the arthritis territory which matters to me because I had juvenile

00:02:38.440 idiopathic arthritis yeah um and the team i just had a podcast with dr rob abbott and he reached

00:02:45.680 out to run it because he's done a number of studies and was interested in kind of pushing

00:02:50.100 this field forward uh we crowdfunded a big portion of it so that was on gofundme okay um we had a

00:02:57.380 couple people who are really interested in carnivore research reach out and give like bigger

00:03:01.200 donations and for people who don't understand how the crowdfunding works is this so you can get

00:03:06.040 bigger rib eyes or are there other expenses associated with running a proper research

00:03:11.060 study? Oh my gosh. Well, the biggest, so the research team is getting paid, but they're being

00:03:17.160 unbelievably reasonable. Like you'd never get that from a university if you went that route.

00:03:23.260 Like I looked into running studies previously and they were in the two to $3 million range for

00:03:27.560 something like this. And I was like, where is that money going? So the research team is getting paid

00:03:33.600 more than reasonably um most of the costs are for labs because we're doing the we're doing a

00:03:40.800 that makes sense we're a stool test and that's in the like 700 range and then we're doing we're

00:03:47.060 doing that twice we're doing blood work throughout we're buying keto monitors for everybody to

00:03:52.240 monitor ketones and glucose uh and a body composition scale so almost all of the cost

00:03:59.500 you know it's over a thousand dollars that's just going towards people who are part of the study

00:04:04.220 and that's the future cost blood markers related to inflammation autoimmune etc as well right yeah

00:04:10.760 so like general ones and then we picked some that were more associated with autoimmunity

00:04:17.700 and then for the results basically the results are going to be how much people's lives improve

00:04:26.200 and symptoms improve according to them.

00:04:28.640 So that's going to be what matters

00:04:29.900 because that is really what matters

00:04:31.260 is do you feel like you're healing

00:04:33.740 or you're in remission?

00:04:35.080 But we're also going to have all the data

00:04:36.680 from the lab works and the stool samples

00:04:39.100 to see if there's any pattern that we can pick up.

00:04:42.840 So we're going to have a lot of data

00:04:44.300 and then we'll see what we can turn out there

00:04:47.140 if there's patterns.

00:04:48.160 Yeah, and obviously I'm assuming

00:04:50.020 this isn't going to be like a metabolic ward study

00:04:51.760 or these people are all living

00:04:53.040 in a little space capsule,

00:04:54.100 but are you going through some kind of process to keep the diet like consistent in terms of what

00:04:59.360 they're eating or their instructions just like only eat meat or what's the actual diet look like

00:05:03.760 as far as consistency? So for the first month, what I've found with people who transition to

00:05:09.320 just eating meat is, especially if they have an autoimmune disorder, is if they go from the

00:05:13.760 standard American diet and a high carb and high processed foods to just meat, that first month is

00:05:18.020 gnarly and unpleasant and hard do you think that's because of like the transition to burning fat

00:05:24.860 instead of carbohydrates or like lower calories or cluster factors like from my experience and

00:05:31.660 i didn't go from standard american diet to carnivore i went from like a very limited keto

00:05:35.940 to carnivore and there was still a transition um i think a lot of it is microbiome change okay

00:05:41.880 yeah because if you went from keto to carnivore that would rule out some sort of ketosis you know

00:05:47.900 fat burning transition period and i still had kind of like a rough time gut wise um but it was weird

00:05:54.660 it was like my gut got worse on carnivore initially but all the symptoms that i was really concerned

00:06:00.400 about so like the depression and the arthritis went away and i was like what do you do here

00:06:05.460 probably why a lot of people experience a shift uh including myself i did a 12 week strict carnivore

00:06:11.480 after paul saladino flew up to my house and did a podcast and convinced me well he i mean literally

00:06:17.280 like he like we would make steaks and he would not let anybody touch his steak you know only salt

00:06:22.500 like super strict but but also pretty smart informed guy so he convinced me that it would

00:06:28.040 be a good idea to try and i tried it for 12 weeks but the initial almost week was like a mix of like

00:06:35.160 you know liquid poo like weird gastric effects that i did not expect what did you think that

00:06:42.140 was that are probably related to the microbiome shift that you're talking about you're essentially

00:06:46.540 reinventing the entire substrate for your bacteria while technically starving possibly a little bit

00:06:53.840 of a herxheimer reaction for some of the bacteria that are starving off so yeah yeah um for the

00:07:00.760 that back to what people are actually eating though is this like nose to tail is it just like

00:07:07.540 whatever you want to eat as long as it's not plants so we're doing the first month is going

00:07:12.120 to be like no processed food very low carb and that's going to be the transition month so that

00:07:16.960 getting into the carnivore diet isn't so bad we we're actually splitting the group of people

00:07:21.580 so there'll be a third of the people are going to be transitioning into the lion diet which is

00:07:26.560 meat um i don't think we're going to include organs at the beginning it's just going to be

00:07:31.400 ruminant meat salt and water they'll be transitioning into that a third of the people

00:07:35.400 are going to be so by the way when you say ruminant meat so people understand we're talking

00:07:39.200 about like lamb lamb cow what about fish anything no no fish okay is there a reason for the no fish

00:07:46.060 thing i mean this is just based off of like this is really based off of my experience and then my

00:07:50.980 experience like running groups of like 30 000 people yeah and seeing what they react to and

00:07:56.740 for like don't eat sardines they probably would yeah yeah i would imagine they're cats they're

00:08:02.980 they probably would um okay so ruminant meats yes that's a third of the group and then the

00:08:08.420 another third is going to transition transition into the ketogenic diet um so that's regular

00:08:14.260 ketogenic diet so like no processed foods but like dairy eggs meat you know greens low carb

00:08:20.580 ketogenic diet right and that's going to show us clinical low carb you're talking like probably

00:08:25.600 below well like 40 grams yeah yeah yeah for sure pretty low carb and they'll be testing ketones too

00:08:32.140 so we're going to like lower it till they're in like a therapeutic ketosis range and that'll show

00:08:37.540 us if the effects are due to ketosis or due to more of an elimination of plant foods so there's

00:08:44.360 that and then there's going to be a third that are stuck on the regular diet which is going to

00:08:48.220 be standard american and in three months we're going to transition them onto one of the therapeutic

00:08:53.760 diets too so everybody who joins can like get dietary treatment monitored by a doctor but uh

00:09:02.160 will at least have a control group that's a regular diet right um everyone does a transition

00:09:07.140 for a month to like lower carb and then into the ketogenic diet or ruminant meat studies like this

00:09:14.120 i don't know if you ever looked into this like do you anticipate that there'll be a certain number

00:09:17.660 of people who are just like whatever driving by a mickey d's or their kid brings home some

00:09:22.280 snack from school and they're like screw it i'm out and you get dropouts due to poor

00:09:26.360 adherence i mean for sure like it's tricky and being that strict is unbelievably tricky so we

00:09:33.700 have a group so everybody in the study will be able to meet other people in the study and kind

00:09:38.200 of give them support which i think is really necessary when you're trying to make that much

00:09:41.640 of a dramatic dietary change they're going to be monitored by doctors they're going to be testing

00:09:45.680 ketones so we'll kind of be able to monitor it's not like we have cameras on everybody all the time

00:09:50.100 but they can talk each other like slowly put down the sourdough step away yeah yeah interesting you

00:09:57.740 know it is um it's compelling to me because you're looking at something that i think more from a

00:10:06.620 longevity less from a health standpoint is something that actually recently got fleshed

00:10:11.960 out in a really big, I guess flesh pun intended in this case, a big, um, Chinese study. It was

00:10:17.280 over 5,000 participants. It was like a progressive study, not a regressive study, meaning that

00:10:22.320 they actually looked at what people were eating and then what the response was rather than

00:10:28.660 looking at, uh, how long someone lived and then regressing and asking them what kind of diet they

00:10:34.520 ate in life. So this followed people over a long period of time. And what they found, um, long

00:10:41.020 story short was that particularly in people 80 years or older, that inclusion of animal proteins

00:10:48.340 lent itself significantly to increase lifespan and quality of life. So healthspan lifespan improved

00:10:54.540 with inclusion of specifically animal proteins, but it wasn't strictly animal proteins. They

00:11:00.860 weren't looking at things necessarily like arthritis and immune factors, even though those

00:11:04.400 play a role in like all cause mortality yeah yeah um so it'll be interesting to see um

00:11:11.120 yeah what the difference is when maybe protein is equivalent but then it's just from animals

00:11:17.120 imagine your favorite lecture dial that on one max put that on steroids and then add some cinematic

00:11:24.240 elements to it that's the best way i could describe a peterson academy lecture there's always

00:11:29.440 that one professor who's like oh man you know you gotta take this one professor they're the best but

00:11:34.320 But at Peterson Academy, it's all of those, that one professor.

00:11:40.040 I'm still paying off college from 10 years ago, and I'm also still questioning the value

00:11:44.400 that I got out of college.

00:11:45.560 It's very common nowadays for students to be in thousands and thousands of dollars of

00:11:50.640 debt.

00:11:51.640 It breaks my heart.

00:11:52.640 The interest rates that are just going to keep on piling up on them for an education

00:11:55.760 that doesn't entirely serve them.

00:11:57.840 You are stuck in the room.

00:11:59.600 You have to do a particular set of courses.

00:12:01.160 And I have to convince myself to stay focused.

00:12:03.400 is pretty dry. With Peterson Academy, it's a fraction of the cost and you get access to

00:12:09.240 all these different topics. It goes anything from sciences, nutrition, why we get sick,

00:12:14.600 all the way up to history. Tons of courses, tons of really good lectures. I'm always looking for

00:12:19.400 high quality educational content. Peterson Academy provides it all. The instructors are amazing.

00:12:24.280 They're so well known in their field that you just want to pay attention. The more I access,

00:12:28.600 the more I listen, the more I learn, the more I want to learn. I just keep expanding and I just

00:12:33.320 want more traditional university can sometimes ground you down peterson academy will be able to

00:12:38.440 scratch that itch of you wanting to learn and continuing to grow as a person i can't wait to

00:12:44.120 see where peterson academy goes there's just so much potential and it's just the beginning i went

00:12:49.960 to college because i had to i go to peterson academy because i want to you just kind of have

00:12:53.880 to focus on what's going to actually change your life stop paying attention to what things are

00:12:58.920 are supposed to look like and actually aim for something. And you might just stumble across

00:13:03.380 something like Peterson Academy. I think part of like my hypothesis or

00:13:11.660 here is like, I think part of the reason that just ruminant meat seems to work pretty effectively for

00:13:18.520 autoimmunity is the elimination is like due to incredible gut damage and leaky gut and people

00:13:25.220 just stop being able to tolerate foods that would otherwise be healthy because their gut barrier is

00:13:30.260 too damaged and so that's why we're doing the stool testing in some of these labs that kind of look at

00:13:34.580 gut barrier um so that i'm interested to see that data yeah and then ideally like long term for

00:13:41.620 someone if they end up putting their autoimmunity into remission the long-term goal would be

00:13:46.540 other ways of like doing gut barrier healing and then slowly reintroducing so you're not just stuck

00:13:53.140 on ruminant meat and i know for me i was stuck on ruminant meat for almost no it was eight years

00:13:59.880 without being able to add anything without having these massive flare-ups and after i did parasite

00:14:05.580 treatment which i always thought was which i thought was a scam for a really long time please

00:14:09.360 don't tell me you posted the pictures to the internet i didn't on the i'm not i'm not that

00:14:14.480 insane.com yeah um what parasite cleanse did you do so i i went the pharmaceutical route i worked

00:14:21.440 with um dr gabrielle lyon and she sent a sample to uh a university guy in in africa that looked

00:14:31.080 at the sample under a microscope just plain old microscope yeah and that's where they found some

00:14:36.100 things that the tests in north america weren't picking up because it's not like i haven't done

00:14:39.540 extensive testing throughout this period i've been like you know the first thing i looked at

00:14:44.040 before i even started dieting was do i have a parasite right like everything came back kind

00:14:48.560 clear um i did h pylori treatment that made a massive difference and i'd been told by a lot

00:14:54.640 of integrative naturopaths and regular doctors to ignore the like higher levels of h pylori

00:15:01.720 yeah and generally that's the advice if you test with h pylori but you're asymptomatic you ignore

00:15:06.900 it yeah and i was asymptomatic except i couldn't eat anything yeah yeah and also h pylori changes

00:15:13.120 the biome from from like a terrain hypothesis in such a way that you become more prone to parasitic

00:15:19.600 infection so those two kind of go hand in hand a lot of the time but so you tested clear for 0.89

00:15:24.360 parasites here but then when you sent your shit literally over to germany then this guy saw stuff 0.84

00:15:30.260 oh africa this guy saw stuff under the microscope yeah and i treated those and i i've always like 0.99

00:15:35.980 i've been avoiding antibiotics and pharmaceuticals for like a decade yeah because i was like how much

00:15:41.740 did that as a kid contribute to all the dysbiosis and like disease that i have so i was very averse

00:15:47.580 to that but i ended up going the pharmaceutical route so i took a albendazole i think i took

00:15:53.660 my bendazole i did the h pylori treatment which is quad therapy but i avoided you can take a

00:15:59.240 fluoroquinolone for that and i avoided those and i avoided metronatazole which makes me feel

00:16:04.900 terrible as well so i took the safer antibiotics um and that that plus strictly monitoring my air

00:16:13.720 quality and getting out of mold and using a binder fixed my digestion my mom did the same thing

00:16:19.520 fixed her digestion she's had digestive issues since she can remember as like a kid yeah and um

00:16:25.820 the ruminant meat like lion diet put her arthritis into remission but didn't fix that like digestive

00:16:32.660 problem pharmaceuticals ended up fixing her problem and so now she's able to eat more things

00:16:37.520 too i've been i still feel best i've realized after like experimenting a little bit with some

00:16:43.400 like arugula lettuce like really yeah nice things yeah and back back to the idea that when you're

00:16:52.780 following a carnivore diet a lot of times you feel better because you're eliminating a lot of

00:16:56.700 the things that contributed to leaky gut that's where i think kind of like you were just talking

00:17:01.760 about it's reasonable to think about implementing some other things that can help to heal up leaky

00:17:07.300 gut faster like you know i know that bone broth is something that you wouldn't consider to be um

00:17:13.820 not allowed on a carnivore diet right no that's totally fine broth is one because the glycine

00:17:19.800 everything but um peptides like kpv i don't know if you've heard of that oh my gosh kpv that's

00:17:24.600 great for that and lorazotide um those two are i don't know lorazotide yeah um that one um you can

00:17:34.460 get it from a compounding pharmacist and it is similar to kpv and efficacy it's like an oral

00:17:40.120 capsule that you take before a meal like 10 minutes before a meal and a lot of people will

00:17:43.920 like inject kpv take lorazotide and that's kind of like the new one two combo for leaky gut issues

00:17:49.760 okay if the whole like natural like glutamine colostrum glycine bone broth thing isn't really

00:17:57.180 working interesting and i i get when i travel i get princess gut like i'm fine at home and then

00:18:04.760 it's like whatever you know corn and carrot shreds and quinoa in the toilet bowl if i ever

00:18:09.620 like veer off of a healthy diet when i travel and so now i travel with kpb and i just inject it

00:18:15.400 every morning and it's almost completely new any gut issues i love kpv yeah that was the one

00:18:20.980 peptide actually the gabrielle lion was suggested that one too and that's one that i could

00:18:25.720 noticeably feel like physiologically calmer um and it was noticeable and usually i only keep

00:18:32.820 doing things that i can like tell are working so i don't end up on a whole bunch of things but

00:18:37.180 kpv i like a lot where i was a time probably a lot it's not really for leaky gut or gut barrier

00:18:42.160 issues but just general gut inflammation just oral bpc 157 yeah i haven't done that yet but

00:18:48.520 probably should yeah i know a lot of people get concerned about a lot of these because of lack

00:18:52.740 of long-term human research which is true like i'm not one of those guys who thinks peptides are

00:18:57.520 a miracle cure for everything um without risk because you just can't say i mean they're very

00:19:02.360 simple they're short chains of amino acids and they seem to act with pretty good precision on

00:19:08.060 the organ systems that they're supposed to target but there is kind of like a glaring lack of long

00:19:13.220 term human clinical research on them um anecdotally most of the people who seem to have like side

00:19:19.720 effects are getting them from like the bargain bin you know muscle bro website where a lot of times

00:19:24.960 it's just like less um high quality less pure chinese imports you know not manufacturing cgmt

00:19:32.540 facilities that's like the whole kind of battle that's going on in the peptide industry right now

00:19:38.460 is you know how can you secure access for people to get good stuff without them like buying from

00:19:46.320 these fly-by-night websites which have been getting shut down there's like cease and desist

00:19:50.380 letters yeah one of the one of the websites i we were buying from just shut down yeah like peptide

00:19:55.780 sciences like that one big ones yeah i think that was the biggest one um and they went bye-bye and

00:20:01.940 And so probably what's going to happen is that some of the peptides that we are familiar with,

00:20:10.540 like probably some of the GLPs, SS31, which is kind of like a brain support peptide for the

00:20:17.160 mitochondria, those will shift to more of like a pharmaceutical setting. And then a lot of the

00:20:23.260 other ones you'll be able to get through like a compounding pharmacist or through your doctor

00:20:27.240 who is getting them from a 503A compounding pharmacist

00:20:31.760 in like a good manufacturing practices facility.

00:20:35.420 But yeah, I think the old days of just like Googling a peptide

00:20:38.740 and going to a website and using your favorite influencer's discount code

00:20:41.560 is probably going to go away.

00:20:43.360 I think so too.

00:20:44.860 What are your – if you had to –

00:20:47.160 I recommend peptides for people to look into.

00:20:49.960 Yeah.

00:20:50.820 What are your top three?

00:20:51.760 I like how you phrase that, look into.

00:20:53.360 Yeah.

00:20:54.020 Yeah.

00:20:54.740 I am not a doctor.

00:20:55.960 This is not medical advice.

00:20:57.240 Um, KPV, like we mentioned, that's, that's a pretty good one.

00:20:59.900 Um, obviously it's a little bit more difficult to get, but I think for the quieting food

00:21:06.500 noise piece, if you are paying attention to good protein intake, good amino acid intake

00:21:11.400 and weightlifting, like reddit trutide is kind of like a sledgehammer for quieting food

00:21:16.620 noise.

00:21:16.800 I inject it on airplane travel days because I don't want to think about eating.

00:21:21.140 I don't have access to good food.

00:21:22.320 Sometimes it's annoying to like pack a cooler and pack all the food.

00:21:24.880 and i would lose too much weight and lose too much muscle like i'm kind of a hard gainer anyways if

00:21:31.100 i were to inject that like three times a week or do like a big bolus weekly but baby dose of that

00:21:37.560 i'm talking like 0.25 milligrams and if you look at a lot of these studies with muscle mass they're

00:21:42.040 using like 2.5 milligrams plus yeah that one is super good probably because it's acting on three

00:21:49.140 different hunger pathways so it's like it's called like a triple agonist okay it's effective it's

00:21:55.700 also one of those ones that is probably going to go the pharmaceutical route so i don't know how

00:22:01.280 much longer after this podcast comes out people will even be able to get that one um so reddit

00:22:05.700 true tides one um for the kind of like growth hormone secretagogue um visceral fat muscle gain

00:22:15.120 piece along with recovery, typically stacking a couple of different growth hormone type of

00:22:22.280 peptides like morning and evening. And this is kind of like old school bodybuilding stuff. But

00:22:28.560 now a lot of people are doing this just to like maintain muscle are a couple of peptides, one

00:22:34.760 called Tessa Morellin. Have you heard of that one? Maybe heard of. Very good for growth hormone

00:22:41.100 release, but also for decreasing visceral fat accumulation or helping you burn more visceral

00:22:46.560 fat, which is the type of fat that tends to be more associated with chronic disease. It's kind

00:22:50.460 of like the pear-shaped stuff that accumulates around the organs. And then in the evening,

00:22:56.940 there's one called ipamrelin. And that's something that you can stack like one in the morning,

00:23:02.360 one in the evening. And typically what that looks like for somebody is you do like 12 weeks of five

00:23:08.220 days on, two days off. And the cool part about the ipamorelin is it also helps you to sleep at

00:23:14.280 night, but it doesn't work very well if you have a high blood glucose or high insulin levels.

00:23:21.040 So you typically inject it like, um, this kind of necessitates like getting an early dinner.

00:23:27.220 So if you eat it, like if you end eating at like 6 PM, you would inject at 7 38,

00:23:31.660 you know, 8 30 PM before you go to bed. Um, so that's a pretty good combo. Um,

00:23:37.420 And then, so everything I mentioned so far, like KPV, retitrutide, tesamorelin, ipamorelin, those are all injectables.

00:23:45.420 And some people are like, well, I'm needle phobic.

00:23:47.320 I don't want to travel around with a bunch of insulin syringe and alcohol swabs.

00:23:51.060 So the cool thing is that a lot of peptide delivery mechanisms have kind of changed.

00:23:57.460 Like you can get a microneedle patch that delivers everything within about 8 to 10 minutes.

00:24:03.380 you can wear a long-term patch for things that go beyond peptides like nad um i flew down here

00:24:10.500 yesterday and this is another thing i do on travel days i inject retitutide and i put on an nad patch

00:24:15.240 it's kind of like slow bleeds transdermally 1300 milligrams of nad in while i'm traveling and it

00:24:24.660 helps a ton with travel fatigue with sleep deprivation with just kind of like the blah

00:24:28.960 feeling that you get is there any weird i've had the ivs of nad that are brutal like the stomach

00:24:34.440 flipping yeah um and a lot of times people notice that more with the ivs because it is getting into

00:24:42.760 the bloodstream faster and also because if you look at this patch it is a 12-hour patch so twice

00:24:48.180 as long in terms of how quickly it's getting released into your bloodstream and then people

00:24:52.300 who are poor methylators tend to really have an issue with nad because that might explain those

00:24:58.100 pathways and if you feel like crap when you get an nad iv and you take a methyl donor like um

00:25:05.980 trimethylglycine or sami or something like that right before your iv a lot of times you feel way

00:25:11.660 better but then these patches um they they basically are giving it to you without the iv

00:25:17.620 in very similar doses i mean 1300 milligrams is a lot of nad can you just get those online

00:25:22.580 peptide place or something like that uh there's two companies i know peptual has them ion layer

00:25:28.640 mite i get mine from peptual and then it's got a little bit of ghk copper peptide in it oh yeah

00:25:34.920 it's kind of a good anti-inflammatory peptide that's an interesting one because so you measure

00:25:41.040 the size of something like a peptide in units called daltons and ghk copper peptide is like

00:25:47.380 50 daltons so that's why it works so well as a beauty product so a lot of people like um men

00:25:56.040 will use it for like a graying like a salt and pepper beard um it seems to help with hair color

00:26:00.680 in facial hair um some people this is this is anecdotal but they'll do like the derma roller

00:26:07.480 or microneedling thing and then apply transderma like topical ghk copper peptide and say that it

00:26:13.660 helps with follicular health or like slowing hair growth is not going to grow new hair but um

00:26:19.480 anecdotally it might slow hair growth and then just as a beauty product because it is absorbed

00:26:23.480 so well it's in a lot of beauty products right now um so that's gsk copper peptide and then um

00:26:30.480 if you want to look at another delivery mechanism intranasal is pretty cool because you can cross

00:26:36.720 the blood-brain barrier really easily. And a lot of these peptides work on either GABA pathways in

00:26:45.240 the brain to kind of like calm you. Something like C-Link or C-Max. One of those can also

00:26:53.260 increase brain-derived neurotrophic factor, which is kind of miracle growth for your brain.

00:26:57.000 Done some digging into that.

00:26:58.220 Both of those you can do intranasally. SS31 is also really great for the brain. That's another

00:27:03.940 one that's probably going the pharmaceutical route but that one you can do intranasal um you can do

00:27:09.440 nad intranasal now oh then um bpc 157 and tb 500 are these two anti-inflammatory peptides like i

00:27:19.220 mentioned if you took bpc orally it'd be great for gut inflammation um but those i consider to be

00:27:24.260 kind of like first aid kit like whatever sprained an ankle you know tore something up during a

00:27:28.620 workout uh or even brain inflammation like applied nasally and then probably the last one that you

00:27:35.440 might be interested in is there's one called um vip i believe it stands for vasoactive i've taken

00:27:42.160 to that's no polypeptide yeah um and that one for uh for like mycotoxin for mold my exposure

00:27:49.640 seems to do a really good job as part of surs treatment for biofilm type of stuff yep it is

00:27:55.420 part of service treatment i think that's part of uh who's the big mold mycotoxin guy um

00:28:01.740 is it richmond shoemaker richie shoemaker yeah and he's using that in his practice quite a bit

00:28:07.580 so there's like dozens and dozens of different peptides but that's kind of a sampling of some

00:28:12.900 of the cool ones that can at least bring people down the rabbit hole that's very cool yeah okay

00:28:19.180 thank you for that i did like kpv i tried vip because of the service treatment and couldn't

00:28:24.580 and then i keep getting pregnant so like it's delaying everything yeah like pregnancy delay

00:28:30.460 for like what do you mean it's delaying you mean like getting pregnant is well i don't i don't want

00:28:34.680 to take peptide now i'm pregnant yeah i'm okay with experimenting on myself but and i'm not even

00:28:40.060 really that concerned about them but like yeah you can't do it with when you're pregnant so that's

00:28:44.240 been doing a lot of my tests i think that's safe yeah that seems reasonable crazy baby yeah um

00:28:50.180 really strong so so yeah but with peptides yeah it's still kind of like the wild wild west as far

00:28:55.680 as research goes so it's kind of like a proceed at your own risk type of thing yeah for sure okay

00:29:02.160 that's interesting um have you this is a kind of random question out of the blue but and just a

00:29:08.440 selfish question my family seems to have issues with sulfur and i'm wondering if you know anything

00:29:14.640 about that whether it's like a pathway issue or what because when we first started got off of all

00:29:20.080 the meds so it was mostly psych meds started going on like ketogenic diet getting healthier

00:29:25.560 it's almost like it popped up i think it's always been there because i had some issues

00:29:30.980 because of the higher sulfur containing amino acids and meat do you think that would be it

00:29:36.600 it's mostly like sulfite major sulfite allergy and that's actually hives and things yeah but

00:29:42.800 then it also seems to be sulfate as well which i know doesn't usually react when you have a

00:29:48.540 sulfide allergy. So I was like, what is that? What's that about? But B vitamins have always

00:29:52.720 been an issue. This is way before diet. So I think there's some, I don't know, methylation issues

00:29:56.760 going on. I can't take methylated vitamins at all. Interesting. Yeah. I don't know that much

00:30:02.220 about sulfur sulfate sensitivities, but I did interview Dr. Ben Lynch. I don't know if you're

00:30:09.200 familiar with his website, Seeking Health. And he has a genetic screening tool. I forget the name

00:30:15.700 of the test that he uses but one of the pathways that he talks about um in the test results in his

00:30:22.020 book are sulfur sensitivities okay i need to look back into their histamine sensitivity so

00:30:25.720 he'd be kind of the man to look into for that okay yeah i think he told i think i did that

00:30:29.820 actually years ago and probably didn't pay attention to that test so yeah i'll look back

00:30:34.400 into that yeah yeah uh and he has a book too um dirty jeans yeah dirty jeans yeah yes dr ben

00:30:41.940 supplements, dirty genes. I like it because he identifies like some of the genetic pathways that

00:30:46.420 you really need to care about. Kind of like cutting through a lot of the like dozens and

00:30:51.340 dozens of different gene variants that sometimes are just a waste of time.

00:30:54.600 Yeah. His supplement line is great too. That's where you can actually get, I started taking

00:30:58.780 folinic acid because if you're only eating, this is what I figured out after eight years of only

00:31:03.060 eating meat, folate levels slowly go down. That's what happened to me. Now my B vitamins looked

00:31:09.180 terrible before i started dieting yeah so it's not like they were good and got worse but they

00:31:14.100 didn't improve and all the other b vitamins did but folate didn't and i can't take methylfolate

00:31:19.360 i can't take folic acid um but folinic acid has been great and seeking health has a version of

00:31:26.820 that yeah yeah um they also for people and this is kind of similar to the sulfate or sulfur

00:31:33.240 sensitivity thing is uh histamine sensitivities which are a huge issue for a lot of people like

00:31:40.420 i'm surprised more and more at the people who i talk to who get like brain fog bloating gas

00:31:46.220 disrupted sleep because it affects a lot of glucose metabolism and get on like the the primary

00:31:53.600 like the the the the big sledgehammer for it is something called diamine oxidase or dao i i took

00:31:59.860 that for years after mold like skyrocketed histamine issues but then a lot of people who

00:32:04.900 are you know who are into kombucha um you know like back to sardines canned fish wine sauerkraut

00:32:12.820 kimchi a lot of things that a lot of people who think they're eating a healthy diet are eating

00:32:17.400 yeah who have histamine sensitivities which are pretty common and are also they they're worse if

00:32:22.640 you have had mold and mycotoxin issues in the past um they can use like like ben lynch has a great

00:32:28.980 line of histamine based or anti-histamine based probiotics and then diamine oxidase type of stuff

00:32:35.160 which if you combine that with eliminating those things from your diet and you have those type of

00:32:41.000 issues and you've tried a bunch of stuff like the the histamine control seems to work pretty well

00:32:45.420 for a lot of people that's the other thing that i think improves with um meat diet or carnivore

00:32:51.500 diet is now like aged meat different story but meat's fairly low in histamine compared to a lot

00:32:58.260 of these other foods especially the fermented foods or like cheese um but even some fruits

00:33:02.680 that are histamine liberators or high in histamine yeah uh the carnivore dot kind of cuts out all

00:33:07.240 that noise too i tried to see if the foods that i was reacting to were just the foods that were

00:33:12.500 releasing histamine or high in histamine and it ended up being more than that but i think that

00:33:16.700 was a major issue for me and that's gotten a lot better since um getting out of mold and doing the

00:33:22.180 parasite stuff yeah the histamine thing everything's calmed down which is great that was annoying so

00:33:27.600 how picky are you um if you or you're talking to somebody who you're you're wanting to do like a

00:33:34.640 strict carnivore diet are you about like cooking methods herbs spices you mentioned aging i mean

00:33:41.980 like brass tacks what's it look like like like for somebody who hasn't experimented with what

00:33:47.460 a gold standard carnivore diet would look like for somebody who really wants to control

00:33:51.880 an autoimmune issue rheumatoid arthritis something like that so i'm probably more relaxed than

00:33:58.300 it's weird i'm very strict i suggest salt and meat so no spices nothing if you have an autoimmune

00:34:05.900 disorder or psych disorder like a disease you're trying to calm down is like just eat meat okay

00:34:11.620 um i'll mention if that digestive like get into details like salt are you picky about

00:34:17.100 yeah i'm i'm picky yes i say make sure that doesn't have anti-caking agents okay and i

00:34:22.260 suggest some brands so like i use jacobson's which i like because i know it's been tested

00:34:26.560 yeah and it doesn't have high levels of like scary things that have like lead or something

00:34:30.780 like that that you can get in salt so yeah i suggest all those products so i normally say

00:34:35.520 like check everything that you're buying for ingredients and if you're buying salt

00:34:39.380 like buy a good salt that doesn't have an anti-caking agent yeah i try to keep things

00:34:44.660 fairly simple for people who are really sick and already overwhelmed with the idea of cutting

00:34:49.080 everything out of their diet so i'm like for the first month you know by the tastiest cuts you can

00:34:54.840 afford to get through it cook it however you want to cook it like i use and it's definitely not the

00:35:00.480 most biohacker thing but i use an air fryer almost all the time yeah or a pressure cooker or something

00:35:05.140 like that to make it easy also small like for we have a pretty big family you find a big one

00:35:10.120 It's a pretty big one.

00:35:11.240 It's like this wide.

00:35:12.360 I mean, I've talked to restaurant owners who have big ones.

00:35:14.780 Air fryers?

00:35:15.320 I haven't been able to find a good size air fryer.

00:35:18.860 We use a-

00:35:19.380 Like Cuisinart or they've all just been too small for me and two 18-year-old boys and

00:35:25.100 my wife.

00:35:26.780 Do you see there's four over there? 0.60

00:35:28.700 Oh, you just buy more of the small ones.

00:35:30.840 I see.

00:35:31.580 Okay.

00:35:33.160 So back to-

00:35:34.400 And there's two in the kitchen.

00:35:36.520 Whatever.

00:35:36.920 I didn't realize those are air fryers.

00:35:39.000 Okay.

00:35:39.260 Now it's coming together.

00:35:40.120 so we got five air fryers so far and a little bone broth maker out there um so that is pressure

00:35:45.580 cooker no that's four air fryers and there's two in the kitchen and a pressure cooker in the kitchen

00:35:50.300 and air frying great especially if you don't want to fry your food um but for the meat sourcing do

00:35:58.400 you i also tell people about that not really like and i've mostly so now i i mostly get snake

00:36:05.600 farms because it tastes excellent i haven't and for a while when i first did the carnivore diet

00:36:12.080 i did grass-fed strictly because i was trying to remove as many variables but when i switched

00:36:17.500 from grass-fed to grass-fed grain finished it didn't make a difference for any of my symptoms

00:36:22.560 yeah and i find most people are limited so when they hear that they can need to do a certain

00:36:30.180 quality of meat they're just like that's just a step too much too far and i've seen people with

00:36:35.080 arthritis who eat mcdonald's burger patties and get better yeah so i usually say eat the best that

00:36:42.660 you can afford but your focus right now is like eat meat eat salt don't eat anything else and wait

00:36:49.500 and then when they start to get a little bit better you can be like okay go to a regenerative

00:36:53.100 farm or eat grass-fed and stuff right but that's yeah that i haven't noticed any difference by

00:36:57.480 symptoms with quality mcdonald's burger to the mcdonald's burger without the buns maybe try to

00:37:02.140 make your own burger at home to use grass fed grass finished beef in the burger you're making

00:37:06.180 at home to eventually just the perfect burger yeah exactly yeah i don't even do grass fed to

00:37:14.220 tell you the truth i don't like generally speaking how it tastes compared to grass fed green finished

00:37:18.760 yeah and i wouldn't say i'm the like utmost picture of health but compared to being completely

00:37:26.380 disabled with rheumatoid arthritis and like major depressive disorder i'm doing pretty good yeah

00:37:31.380 the issue with, with grass fed, grass finished is you can lose some flavor. You lose a little

00:37:37.100 bit of marbling. Um, and a lot of farmers aren't willing to weave in a lot of the other things that

00:37:44.720 you can rotate into say like a cow's diet to actually improve the flavor of the meat, but

00:37:50.180 take them off of just grass fed, grass finished. Like I get a whole cow now from a farm called

00:37:56.560 owens farm by spokane washington and they have 12 different things that they feed the cows everything

00:38:02.140 from like pressed grape skins to alfalfa to carrots to different nuts to grass and so they're getting

00:38:10.900 a really healthy gut bacterial profile which affects the quality of the meat and the health

00:38:16.380 of the cow but then that lends itself to better meat flavor it's just hard to find farmers who

00:38:22.320 are that dedicated to anything except we're just going to graze our cows and call it grass-fed

00:38:27.520 grass finished 100 that sounds good i've had like beef that was apple finished and carrot finished

00:38:34.240 and stuff like that and that ends up tasting better but most of what i get i think is grass-fed

00:38:39.760 grain finished and um i mean that seems fine and it's nice and marbled and i am pretty concerned

00:38:45.760 about fat content like that's the other rule for eating ruminant meat and going to the carnivore

00:38:50.200 diet is like eat the fattiest cuts you can kind of eat especially if you're trying to heal and if

00:38:55.480 you can't afford the fattier cuts like steaks then well chuck is a lot cheaper than say a ribeye and

00:39:01.160 they basically taste the same but if you're eating leaner cuts then i tell people to go make friends

00:39:05.860 with a butcher or even the grocery store because it's full of trimmings and a lot of the time the

00:39:10.900 trimmings are thrown away right and you can fry those with leaner cuts and make it like a great

00:39:17.080 dish and it's way cheaper than the fatty cats well you have a lot a lot of like toxins stored

00:39:22.800 in the fat or yeah um or or like people i mean people still get concerned about like the whole

00:39:30.040 like saturated fat apoegene thing like do you get pushback on any of those friends people just want

00:39:35.440 like lean protein you know i did most of my like the first part of my healing in canada and i don't

00:39:43.440 think we have as much of an issue in Canada with toxins stored in fat. So I wasn't having corn fed

00:39:49.440 beef. I was really having grain fed. And like I said, I didn't notice any difference in my symptoms

00:39:55.960 based on what I ate as long as it was beef or beef fat. But I probably wouldn't trust getting

00:40:03.800 trimmings from like a low end grocery store that has corn fed meat. I wouldn't go that route. I'd

00:40:12.700 go to a butcher and at least get a better cow than it you don't want to use that but you say

00:40:18.500 you don't necessarily need to do grass-fed grass finished it sounds to me like like you draw a

00:40:23.140 difference between corn and grain when it comes to corn fed versus well i can taste the difference

00:40:27.760 between corn fed and grain fed grains taste better i can kind of taste the corn yeah and that kind

00:40:33.220 that's like freaked me out a little bit but whenever i've gone out to eat and had corn fed

00:40:37.060 beef it hasn't given me a flare-up so usually i just say ruminant meat fatty ruminant meat

00:40:42.480 salt with no caking anti-caking agent and then if people are still having digestive problems or

00:40:47.880 getting flushed or something when they eat then i say now you maybe have a histamine problem you

00:40:53.760 need to look at and maybe switch to lamb or veal so those are usually lower in histamine or get

00:41:00.340 something that's less aged and there's companies online that sell like much less aged uh beef but

00:41:06.440 that's usually secondary it's simple like beef fatty beef and salt pretty simple and then if

00:41:13.240 you have histamine issues i usually recommend dao and um yeah it's interesting like the thing about

00:41:19.060 the fat i've had to tackle this just in the kitchen on culinary adventures with using a

00:41:25.440 specifically a lot more tallow in cooking because that farm that i get the cows from it's a breed

00:41:32.860 called piedmontese oh yeah and so the piedmontese breed this is a crazy story apparently they

00:41:40.440 originated in the middle east and lived in high climates in the middle east with wide fluctuations

00:41:47.020 in temperature so these cows developed sweat glands which apparently is not common in cattle

00:41:54.900 and when you look at temperature regulation in an animal one of the main reasons that you might get

00:42:02.880 poor quality meat is because of high amounts of cortisol and stress and a lot of people think

00:42:06.740 stress and they think like cafo food lot like cramp conditions but even if like a cow is just

00:42:12.580 like out on some idyllic like pastoral field it will still be stress if it's too hot or too cold

00:42:19.040 so these are these are like huge cows that have sweat glands but then have you seen like the mtor

00:42:28.300 knockout bowls or mtor knockout mice or mtor knockout little i'm going to insert that or

00:42:34.000 whatever and they're massively muscle bound these we were actually talking about folistatin

00:42:39.760 gene therapy before we started recording and it's very very similar fiber like basically or very

00:42:46.740 very similar pathway this myostatin pathway when you knock it out you get unparalleled muscle

00:42:51.440 growth and these cattle naturally not only the sweat glands but they're huge because they have

00:42:57.420 this myostatin inhibition and so then what happens is because the muscles grow so rapidly

00:43:05.160 the muscle fiber is like one sixteenth the diameter of like a normal angus cow and that

00:43:12.420 means that the chuck roast is the same tenderness as like the ribeye as a filet mignon and if you

00:43:20.040 want a medium rare you have to pull it like 100 degrees whereas normally it'd be like you know

00:43:24.340 140 145 so when i first got one of these cows like i was overcooking everything and then the

00:43:31.700 only thing back to the feet or back to the fat is that they're so muscle bound and so lean like when

00:43:38.920 they butchered my cow i asked for the tallow and the farmer sent me a picture of the beef like

00:43:45.840 hanging and there's just no fat at all they're just one giant slab of muscle so when i cook it

00:43:52.040 i have to like i weave in usually like olive oil or beef tallow and just like put extra fat on it

00:43:58.400 but it's a super weird breed this piedmontese cow that is weird i've tried that i've seen pictures

00:44:03.940 they're weird i use sulu tallow i like that brand sulu i know they had a recall recently so i'll

00:44:10.120 put that out here but i don't think that was anything serious but they're good like it's the

00:44:13.660 only tallow brand i've found that it has never been rancid like i used to buy tallow and i thought

00:44:19.600 this is just what tallow tasted like and it's like it always had a rancid flavor and i was like

00:44:24.060 yeah and sulu uh doesn't ever they sell these big vats so i have like a vat this big in the fridge

00:44:30.700 um yeah that's yummy um so that's an easy way to get fat too i forget which tell i think we're

00:44:36.940 using the towel that are made by the same people who are just raking it in hand over fist right

00:44:41.760 now with the um the very pricey potato chips and uh corn chips um ancient crunch yeah masa

00:44:49.400 masa chips and bandy chips they're super good chips but i think they have a tallow company now

00:44:54.220 too it's called like american tallow that makes sense i haven't tried theirs yeah i won't say

00:44:58.540 there's a good business model it's like there are price and sensitive products like pet products

00:45:03.020 things you get for your kids and apparently now like eliminating seed oils from snack products

00:45:09.120 like that people will just pay hand over fist yeah yeah enormous prices like like the like over and

00:45:15.740 over again on subscription boxes for these chips that are like they're like over 20 a bag yeah

00:45:21.200 but they're good they're good yeah have you how do you feel about the whole seed oil is terrible

00:45:26.640 thing. You're on board with that? I think it's subjective. If you look at the

00:45:34.800 inflammatory potential of a seed oil, particularly like a damaged seed oil that's been subjected to

00:45:41.920 high amounts of pressure and high temperatures, usually in a cooking or a frying and particularly

00:45:48.480 a refrying process or a long storage time, typically in a bottle that's getting exposed

00:45:57.740 to light and temperature, you do see an inflammatory response to that, but it tends to be magnified

00:46:08.860 in people who have high levels of visceral fat.

00:46:12.300 so if you're already overweight and obese you would respond better to eliminating seed oils

00:46:19.080 from the diet than a lean person who might be able to do okay with a little bit of seed oil

00:46:24.200 here and there um okay uh thermal stress cold fluctuation and also heat stress um affects your

00:46:32.180 ability to be able to deal with the inflammation from seed oils so something like sauna practice

00:46:36.360 cold practice. Um, there's a specific enzyme that's regulated by that process. And I don't

00:46:43.160 remember the name of it, but it influences your inflammatory response to seed oils. So that would

00:46:48.660 be another one. Um, your omega-3 status, right? A lot of people will get an omega-3 test, like an

00:46:53.920 omega quant, um, reference ranges are like, I think 4% ish is acceptable. And I've interviewed

00:47:02.660 a few omega researchers on my podcast to make a pretty good case for 8% or higher being arranged

00:47:10.040 it'll be better to get into and there is a protective effect of a higher omega count like

00:47:15.040 a higher omega-3 fatty acid intake on exposure to seed oils oh so and then activity like like

00:47:21.660 aerobic fitness um and muscle mass so if you exercise engage in thermal stress um stay

00:47:28.780 relatively lean and have some type of omega-3 consumption, then you would have less of an

00:47:37.960 issue with seed oil consumption than other people. But the way that I look at it is I just don't eat

00:47:44.960 foods that have been fried or heavily heated in those oils. And generally, I mean, we're like

00:47:51.240 macadamia nut oil, extra virgin olive oil, beef tallow, some butter, and we don't really mess

00:47:56.900 with those oils much anyways but i don't freak out i don't i don't carry my i'm allergic to seed

00:48:01.300 oil card to the restaurant like some of my friends do i just i think there's bigger fish to fry um

00:48:07.860 but i think that if you're if you're overweight or obese it's definitely something to be concerned

00:48:12.420 more about okay yeah that's kind of what i thought like well how i figured out which foods were bad

00:48:18.980 for me was literally testing one at a time and then having these horrifying reactions being like

00:48:23.140 like well i'm gonna eat that again yeah and i remember when i was cutting things out like soy

00:48:27.160 was really bad for me soy bean oil was really bad for me but canola oil i didn't really notice now

00:48:33.260 i haven't had canola oil in like 10 years because i are like eliminated everything a long time ago

00:48:38.240 but i was i when everyone kind of switched the focus from like processed foods and some of these

00:48:44.860 other foods to seed oils was like those were never just anecdotally those were never the foods that

00:48:50.640 gave me like huge arthritic flare-ups and psychiatric issues versus like gluten for instance

00:48:56.320 for me um dairy was a really big one for me soy was a really big one those were probably the top

00:49:01.940 three um not that we eat them but i was like right it's interesting what you're saying because if you

00:49:07.740 look like like a lot of those things that you just listed off like soy um gluten uh and even dairy in

00:49:14.100 some cases there tend to be particularly for the first two plant defense mechanisms that a lot of

00:49:22.240 people are sensitive to because plants don't have you've probably kicked this horse to death on your

00:49:25.880 podcast you know teeth and hooves and claws and nails and can't defend themselves and so they've

00:49:30.320 developed other mechanisms to either irritate the gut of a mammal to cause it to poop out the seed

00:49:34.660 elsewhere so the plant can thrive or irritate the animal or make it sick so that it doesn't come back

00:49:40.480 and like eat that plant out of existence right so it's a survival mechanism um and so oils

00:49:46.420 compared to plants in that respect are not quite as much of an issue now once they've been heated

00:49:55.320 repeatedly and there are some of the underlying you know personal issues that we just got them

00:49:59.380 talking about they are a problem but i think you can make a case that a a high amount of what at

00:50:06.160 low levels might be a hormetic stressor. Um, and, and in some people, even at, at levels

00:50:12.360 of any amount would be a significant stressor, you know, like you experienced, um, those are

00:50:17.240 bigger issues than oils. Yeah. Okay. I'm glad people are switching to tallow anyway.

00:50:23.140 Yeah. It's a good step in the right direction. Yeah. Yeah. I think so. Um, it's just, it's,

00:50:29.640 is more stable um so does your whole family eat the same way you do yeah um no kind of so my

00:50:40.060 brother doesn't i don't know how he's like skirted through all the i mean i was thinking like your

00:50:44.900 husband and kids but i guess your extended family extended family yes husband yes when i met him he

00:50:50.180 was um he was eating basically how i was eating except he was having coffee and then i told him

00:50:55.880 you should stop drinking coffee and he stopped drinking coffee yeah so yes that um he missed

00:51:00.980 the caffeine for a while but he switched to caffeine pills that's the other thing is when

00:51:04.940 people start oh hardcore he didn't cut coffee and switched to caffeine pills you know what

00:51:09.560 what i've found for people who are really sick is coffee gives you more of an inflammatory response

00:51:16.140 than caffeine pills it's not necessarily the caffeine that's the problem for everyone i don't

00:51:20.460 like how caffeine makes me feel but it's the coffee and we've tried mold-free coffees because

00:51:25.340 we thought maybe the coffee beans yeah that's that's what i was gonna ask and i think with the

00:51:29.120 like leaky gut we were dealing with that still was a problem um but yeah i usually say because

00:51:34.320 it is a bean it's a bean i'm not great with beans yeah i think in general yeah um so he cut coffee

00:51:42.200 and does he do like strict carnivore now um actually since we moved out of mold and did the

00:51:47.500 sirs most of the sirs treatment and did the parasite cleanse um he's probably once a week

00:51:53.400 eating some other things and nothing processed but other foods yeah um but that's about once a

00:52:01.680 week he'll be like ah it's a sunday i'm gonna order true food kitchen or something like that

00:52:06.160 and have a meal out so it's a lot less strict than before but like 95 of his food is still

00:52:11.880 beef but way less like when we were in miami and got really sick from mold we tried to incorporate

00:52:17.320 chicken and this was like corn corn-free soy-free really nice quality chicken and it was like a

00:52:24.180 horrible brutal reaction in mold um and that kind of thing is completely calmed down so yes he's on

00:52:31.940 the diet but like did you look into it at all like if there's some kind of link between poultry even

00:52:36.920 like clean fancy no idea poultry i have no idea mycotoxin uh all i found is that like the reason

00:52:43.940 is ruminant meat is because i wouldn't feel good when i ate fish even if it was wild caught salmon

00:52:50.320 yeah and i'd feel worse eating chicken even if it was corn-free soy-free chicken so i was like okay

00:52:55.420 for some reason i can't eat those things um it's much more tolerable now since all the like extra

00:53:01.080 treatments yeah i don't know i'm on the wild-caught salmon bandwagon though you're not i look at it

00:53:06.340 this way. So, so I bow hunt and I will admit that if I, um, last whitetail I shot was like

00:53:14.360 eight miles from my house. I have no clue where that animal was feeding, what fields that was

00:53:20.080 feeding it, where I traveled, you know, what neighbors sprayed with glyphosate. And I have

00:53:24.680 to accept that when I'm hunting that, that wild caught animal, you know, that a lot of people

00:53:29.260 would, would, you know, equivalent with just like super clean meat would technically be

00:53:33.940 less healthy than me like buying and raising a deer and controlling its feed really, really

00:53:39.260 strictly. Yeah, for sure. Hunting that. And with fish, I mean, if you think about it, like you

00:53:44.280 don't know where that fish has been. We know that the ocean has microplastics and metals and that

00:53:50.540 the fish may have accumulated things from fish farther down in the fish chain. And so I think

00:53:56.720 if you can get, and this is what I do, if you can get fish that's farmed, but fish that's farmed

00:54:02.380 and fed a tightly controlled diet and has been tested those i mean i would eat that yeah

00:54:08.940 i can't soy fed fish so i usually avoid farmed fish so i'm i have i'm part of an olive oil club

00:54:15.260 i'm part of a wine club and i'm part of a fish club and the fish club is called seatopia and

00:54:20.020 like sea and they source fish from these different farms they got like 30 plus farms around the world

00:54:26.040 and they test all the fish they heavily control the feed and they have everything from like

00:54:32.220 aura king salmon to scallops to shrimp um i've heard of sea bass i looked into them as flash

00:54:39.100 frozen just arrives at the house do you know if they avoid soy at the farms uh that's why i avoided

00:54:46.080 sea topia because i didn't know i could reach out and ask what they're fed yeah that's been the main

00:54:50.900 reason to go to wild was i would be surprised if they had soy in the feed because i think they're

00:54:56.520 actually using a lot of other smaller fish in the feed yeah that would be great yeah i interviewed

00:55:02.280 the guy i'd have to go back and listen um i don't think he mentioned soy but that'd be easy to find

00:55:07.140 out well they're carnivorous fish too the fact that they're like most of the farmed salmon is

00:55:11.180 fed soy is like yeah the guy who runs is super nice his name is james and he lives in kawaii

00:55:15.800 and he's just like obsessed with clean fish oh yeah that would be great that sounds better yeah

00:55:21.580 and the ora king salmon that's like the wagyu of the sea it's incredible like back to the omega

00:55:27.320 stuff like the omega content of it is through the roof the dha is through the roof and so we um

00:55:33.540 just to make sure that we have tight ties to our community and we build relationships we throw a

00:55:39.060 dinner party typically once or twice a month and so i always have to figure out like how can i like

00:55:44.560 make good food but also feed like 25 30 people and that's one of my favorite recipes is i'll get

00:55:51.560 like 30 or a king salmon fillets from seatopia and then i just line a baking pan with olive oil

00:55:58.640 and put the salmon like skin side down and then the secret sauce on top i don't know if this fits

00:56:04.520 your diet but um i use the um what's the the condiment company that is uh seed oil free

00:56:14.680 is it paleo kitchen or not paleo primal kitchen primal kitchen so primal kitchen mayo like they're

00:56:20.980 chipotle lime mayo is amazing for this spread that on top of the salmon um put salt on that

00:56:26.260 on top of that put a lemon slice on the edge slide it in the oven for like 25 minutes oh my

00:56:30.400 gosh it's just like the most incredible fatty salmon dish and people you're selling me people

00:56:36.940 die over it and it's super easy like that that's like 20 minutes of prep time slide it in the oven

00:56:42.040 okay i'm gonna look into them i i stopped eating so i i can now eat fish without like it used to

00:56:47.040 like puff up my face i just used to get these weird reactions that doesn't happen anymore

00:56:50.760 uh but i find if i eat fish for dinner i'm still hungry like i don't know how much fish i don't

00:56:56.080 know if it's because i'm so used to eating beef but yeah i could probably eat i could eat pounds

00:57:01.020 of fish fatty fish not like a lean white fish you know the wild the wild salmon i'm getting is

00:57:05.900 pretty lean so it could just be that yeah no this stuff is like dripping with fat oh nice salmon

00:57:11.220 okay that'd be the way i'm sold hopefully it doesn't have soy yeah yeah um so back to the

00:57:17.620 family what about kids like if people um let's say they have a child and the child has rheumatoid

00:57:24.920 arthritis issues or autoimmune issues how do you recommend people structure a carnivore diet for a

00:57:31.380 kid i i and this is coming from me and i'm not a doctor like we discussed earlier um i think if i

00:57:39.800 had had a limited diet when i was a kid i could have avoided a hip and ankle replacement like i

00:57:44.420 was on all the immune suppressants for from age eight to 17 and it didn't stop my like joints from

00:57:52.100 being eaten by my body so i go pretty hard when someone who's has a three-year-old goes they've

00:57:58.120 had arthritis for a year i go like what are they eating oh they're eating a bunch of food so like

00:58:01.920 cut everything they can just eat meat they can now with my kids my kids don't just eat meat

00:58:08.260 but what i did was i went from breastfeeding and then the first introduction was fatty meat so it

00:58:14.240 like beef fat i mean are you like dropping in the in the vitamix like yeah yeah i did well with

00:58:21.040 scarlet so my eight-year-old i she did like baby led weaning and so she was like sucking on pieces 0.97

00:58:27.280 of fatty steak and i was kind of chopping off the fat because she liked the fat and then eventually 0.81

00:58:31.440 she just got old enough to do like breast milk and start eating little bits of the fatty steak

00:58:37.100 yeah um with my other two who are babies i like we've done more of a vitamix fatty meat thing

00:58:46.760 um i did that with george he's two and a half now and then once he was past the age of two

00:58:53.940 i started some like apple sweet potatoes but he's really only eating he's tried seaweed like

00:59:01.820 sometimes he'll have a bite of these other things but like he primarily eats meat and then he has

00:59:06.820 some of these other like single foods but i've been pretty paranoid careful one food at a time

00:59:12.860 because of how sick i was as a kid and because they don't care they don't need a huge variety

00:59:18.820 by the time that they're two and a half right and if that can stop with four dipping sauces and

00:59:24.180 mustard and well yeah and like whole steakhouse experience like you don't want to give a little

00:59:29.380 kid sugar they go completely nuts with sugar like the first time scarlet had sugar now she'd had

00:59:36.080 honey but like cane sugar some kid in kindergarten gave her like a bit of a chocolate bar yeah and

00:59:42.420 she came home from kindergarten and was like running around the couch in circles and i was

00:59:45.900 like did you eat something at school giving your husband's caffeine pills um which you which you

00:59:51.120 kind of inadvertently did because there's this guy uh he's on instagram he's called the mass spec guy

00:59:55.720 and he has these mass spectrometers he's like a college professor so he has access to mass spec

01:00:01.820 tools and it allows you to get the molecular signature of anything and he'll send he seems

01:00:07.060 to focus on vices like he'll choose like nicotine pouches and kratom bottles and um he's done gum

01:00:16.380 and he does a lot of candy and he did a mass spec of a bunch of different chocolates out there

01:00:23.160 and the average serving like packet or whatever of a hershey's chocolate product like say m&ms

01:00:30.340 range from 50 to 100 milligrams of caffeine in the chocolate which is far more than you get from

01:00:36.380 like the natural cacao bean meaning that um not that i want to make accusations but it would appear

01:00:43.360 that they're actually adding extra caffeine to hershey's chocolate products and even even if

01:00:50.540 it's the natural caffeine amounts basically if you're giving your kid hershey's chocolate you

01:00:55.080 should know that they're getting caffeine too which is kind of concerning from um not only a

01:01:01.240 behavioral standpoint but also potential for things like growth stunting bone density that's wild

01:01:06.120 yeah isn't that crazy yeah i know i find um like we've got scarlet who chocolate um and i find who

01:01:14.680 chocolate like in the last couple months i've been like oh i'm gonna try some chocolate haven't had

01:01:17.860 that in a decade i find it pretty stimulating just by itself and that's like clean high quality

01:01:22.960 chocolate i think my wife single-handedly keeps them in business based on their good secret

01:01:29.320 stashes in the pantry that i don't know if she knows that i know where it's at but

01:01:33.140 that's funny she's a who fan um so it seems like it's not that difficult with the kids but when it

01:01:41.900 comes to things like um just like snacks that you take out of crinkly packaging are there good

01:01:49.340 such yeah um good products out there there was one company i want to know the ones that you like

01:01:54.700 but they were called carnivore snacks i think it's spelled an x and these were like back to the

01:01:59.980 fat like they were just like not like beef jerky like fatty slices of almost like dried ribeye

01:02:05.240 um just like straight out of the bag like beef jerky but way better carnivore snacks so we make

01:02:11.140 our own jerky so that's a snack i keep it in the freezer so it doesn't get stale carnivore snacks

01:02:16.140 is good carnivore crisps are good i mostly pc jerky which i like it's way leaner um but i don't

01:02:25.560 have to worry about rancid fat which i can really i'm like so sensitive to any of that so i eat a

01:02:31.460 lot of pc jerky for kids what's pc jerky it's like it's definitely not a i mean correct me if i'm

01:02:39.260 wrong internet but i i wouldn't say it's a health brand like carnivore snacks or something but they

01:02:43.480 make different jerkies and they made a plain one so it's just salt and i really like it it's like

01:02:48.860 eating it's almost like eating chips but there's not there's not fat so it's very lean but i like

01:02:54.000 that and i'll eat that with the sulu tallow on top and some salt and it kind of tastes like

01:02:59.460 saltine crackers and butter but given i haven't had saltine crackers in a decade but like it's

01:03:04.160 good i actually have a stash of um they're not carnivore snacks right now some other company

01:03:09.920 they're a little bit more dry a little bit more of a cracker texture and i use them like crackers

01:03:14.560 yeah like if i'm doing guacamole or a lot of times like i'll have a side on my salad and you

01:03:20.360 literally use them just like crackers pc jerky is just like crackers yeah and with tallow it's

01:03:26.180 really good if you haven't had tallow spread on there with salt bake jerky are you using like

01:03:30.420 one of your half dozen air fryers for this or no i have a massive it's probably in our kitchen

01:03:37.360 massive dehydrator a stainless steel dehydrator that's like this big and has like 12 trays

01:03:43.820 and i get uh like shabu shabu i used to get rouladen in canada which is i think it's just

01:03:49.620 round roast cut for a german dish and shabu shabu is i don't know it's also round roast i think or

01:03:56.520 new york's cut really thin and i just line them up on the trays and cover them in salt and stick

01:04:02.160 them and you slice them they're sliced they're pre-sliced okay it's really easy just salt and

01:04:07.840 dehydrate yeah like a lot of salt and dehydrate for like nine hours and then i ziploc bag them

01:04:12.500 and put them in the freezer incredible so we eat that but there are package snacks that we use

01:04:17.200 because i didn't want scarlet to be like go to school and i don't know be made fun of i was the

01:04:22.660 kid that always brought leftovers to school and stew and everyone had those lunchables that were

01:04:26.940 like poison but i'd be like oh i don't have one of those and they'd be like ew what's the stew

01:04:32.140 yeah but like it's stew it's leftovers it's good but um i was like i don't want that for

01:04:36.720 colorless no crinkly packaging no toy yeah no toy no little wooden spoon life yeah um i liked

01:04:45.640 there's a company called bear i think bear fruit snacks and they make little tiny fruit gummies

01:04:50.500 so she used to love those before she was like six and now she doesn't like them anymore there's

01:04:56.320 bear fruit snacks there was another there's like a solely fruit snack um there's another one that

01:05:03.140 does like almost like tape fruit tape or whatever um so there's quite a few like pure fruit snacks

01:05:10.640 so she'll take some of those um when she was really little i did carnivore bars a lot because

01:05:16.820 she loved carnivore bars do you know that company no it's like pemmican okay so you can keep them

01:05:22.580 pemmican is incredible there's a company called u.s wellness meats that i used to get a ton of

01:05:27.180 pemmican from this is i still order from them if i want you know back to my lean cow like a big

01:05:33.120 batty like french cut ribeye um u.s wellness meats also has like organ meats they've got pemmican

01:05:39.240 oh nice company i think they're out of nebraska one of the one of the midwest states um okay so

01:05:46.360 that's a pretty good lineup of snacks i this might be a little bit of a change of direction

01:05:52.360 but with all of the things that you've done like the parasite cleanse and the the dietary changes

01:05:59.360 and the peptides um have you gotten into like the fringes of the biohacking world with things like

01:06:05.900 like blood filtration therapies yeah plasma exchange and things not plasma exchange i do

01:06:12.080 want to get into that when i got sick in miami for mold i was like that i was so ill so i did

01:06:17.960 eboo then which i liked yeah which for people listening is a extracorporeal blood ozonation

01:06:25.460 and oxygenation yeah i believe um where they pull your blood out and they basically ozonate it and

01:06:32.100 clean it and then it goes back into your body yeah yeah and that i felt i could feel now i don't know

01:06:38.140 if that's from like i don't know exactly what that was from but it felt good so i did that a couple

01:06:43.360 of times i've done ozone a lot because i can feel it noticeably afterwards i feel better um i haven't

01:06:50.460 done my parents have done stem cells because i was more concerned about their health i didn't do

01:06:55.680 i haven't done any stem cells i haven't done any of the plasma exchanges i haven't gone i'm like

01:07:01.260 aware of all the deeper biohacking things but i've mostly been pregnant for like three years so that's

01:07:07.740 really put a so as soon as i had some money to do that was like out of your body in tijuana and

01:07:12.700 pass through a filter and yeah um they're interesting though you know as far as um you know

01:07:19.240 the concept of ebu pulling something out of your body filtering it or cleaning it with something

01:07:23.120 like ozone and then putting it back in is kind of like the the hot topic in in biohacking and

01:07:29.820 detox right now especially for people who have like lime mold mycotoxin have you done any that

01:07:34.740 had noticeable effects afterwards yeah so there's levels the lowest kind of like easiest to access

01:07:42.060 level in most states and internationally is a therapeutic plasma exchange a tpe where they

01:07:48.400 will pull out some plasma and then typically because you do pull out some of your body's

01:07:54.140 own products when you do that they will usually replace the plasma with albumin which is just

01:08:01.060 basically synthetic albumin and then some type of vitamin and mineral ivy yeah because you're

01:08:08.480 basically trying to like build back the blood um and that's pretty effective for a lot of people

01:08:12.600 who just want to do like the oil change for the body thing and then you can also in uh the state

01:08:20.280 of texas do young plasma replacements where it's a similar protocol you get your plasma taken out

01:08:28.360 but instead of putting albumin and ivs back in they actually take young human donor plasma and

01:08:34.780 put that back into your body have you done that um i've done brian johnson kind of done that a

01:08:39.320 couple of times um can you feel it do you feel remarkably better you feel how you would imagine

01:08:45.320 you'd feel if you put an 18 year olds plasma like 10 one liter bags of 18 year old plasma

01:08:50.740 back into your body but you know back to the i'm not a doctor thing that's not without risk i mean

01:08:57.040 it is somebody else's biologics so now kind of like the so so if you look at young plasma you

01:09:06.440 it's like a soup you've got exosomes you've got growth factors you've got stem cells you've got

01:09:12.260 um you know all of your normal minerals and biologics and some small peptides and all of

01:09:17.860 that is going into your body which would make sense that you're going to feel that even more

01:09:23.600 than just getting albumin and minerals and vitamins put back into your body so it's the

01:09:28.420 difference between like an oil change and what's technically called like parabiosis right like

01:09:32.880 taking something old out and putting something young back in but the risk for a lot of people

01:09:39.400 even though these are pre-screened donors with filtered plasma is still something that um is

01:09:47.360 there because you know it is somebody else's tissue the next thing that i'm looking at and

01:09:56.480 there's not a lot of people doing this right now but it makes sense on paper um i'm actually going

01:10:03.240 to try this tomorrow in austin texas is to get the plasma taken out but put back in like a stem

01:10:11.080 cell exosome soup because there's a type of stem cells that are really small they're called muse

01:10:16.880 cells and muse cells are known for compared to like a normal say like umbilical derived stem cell

01:10:24.660 of having a very very low amount of immune reactions or inflammation they're much smaller

01:10:33.280 they travel to the site of injury much more readily and they're kind of like the new thing

01:10:38.700 in stem cells and then exosomes are basically what they use to signal so what i'm going to do

01:10:45.240 is get old plasma taken out and then replace that with the albumin and the vitamin ivs and minerals

01:10:52.000 but then also stem cells and exosomes and even though i haven't done that yet that would

01:10:59.960 theoretically be like a way to get the effects of like young plasma replacement without actually

01:11:05.840 using actual human plasma instead using stem cells and exosomes um and so that's the difference

01:11:13.280 between doing like an oil change for the body via something like eboo or therapeutic plasma

01:11:18.140 exchange and doing like an actual like anti-aging type of hack that's and then you can also do

01:11:24.880 blood um i did this uh in with a company called lumati in tijuana where they use a filter it was

01:11:33.540 a filter designed to to adhere to spike proteins it's a heparin based filter that's almost like a

01:11:38.260 fly trap for spike protein and the blood comes out of your body it's crazy they actually have

01:11:44.180 a catheter in your jugular in your neck and it's got to stand there the whole three days that you're

01:11:49.200 in mexico so you're literally like oh my god going getting wheeled in a wheelchair from this

01:11:54.060 actually pretty nice hospitals in mexico now um i thought it was just all like you know

01:11:59.780 tequila and bars and just complete um i thought i thought tijuana was a pretty dirty place but

01:12:07.420 there's actually a really nice luxury hotel hospital people go there for medical tourism now

01:12:12.340 and so you have this catheter in your neck though for three days so you're getting wheeled from the

01:12:17.500 hospital over to the hotel back and forth each day you're in the hospital bed for anywhere from

01:12:24.800 three to five hours each day and it's pulling your blood out passing it through this filter

01:12:29.800 and then the blood goes back into your body so it's literally filtering like whole blood

01:12:34.480 people who have long covid have seen pretty good results from that um i did it out just

01:12:41.900 sheer curiosity just kind of an immersive journalist extent where i wanted to see what

01:12:46.220 blood filtration was actually like but then there are other filters so that one's called the serif

01:12:50.920 filter that they use for spike protein that's the heparin based filter wow they have another one

01:12:55.960 called the marker that's used for microplastics so it pulls microplastics out so it's kind of

01:13:01.360 like a different filter for a different issue and then kind of like the last thing would be

01:13:09.140 something called ionphoresis and this is something that you'll find a lot more in like european

01:13:13.200 biological medicine like germany is a place where you can do these type of things there's a clinic

01:13:17.440 called uh lanzerhoff there that does this but that's actually heating up the body so it's kind

01:13:23.160 of like a combination of hyperthermia and plasma filtration so they can like filter a lot more

01:13:28.280 plasma at once they're not putting back in you know stem cells exosomes young human plasma or

01:13:34.780 anything like that but as far as a filtration goes that's theoretically one of the better

01:13:39.820 ways to filter just because you're combining plasma filtration with hyperthermia um but i

01:13:46.900 think kind of like the coolest idea is getting old plasma taken out and then replacing that with

01:13:51.120 albumin stem cells and exosomes that does sound cool yeah and that's more from a longevity

01:13:57.180 standpoint or if you've been exposed to an environmental toxin right to help detox

01:14:02.660 yeah so antiviral you know mold mycotoxin lime ebv some of these things that you might want to

01:14:10.740 pull out of the blood you could just stop at therapeutic plasma exchange um series of ebu

01:14:17.620 treatments ionophoresis or something like that and then if you wanted to do that and then also

01:14:25.600 kind of like get the rejuvenation effect or the you know so-called like anti-aging effect by

01:14:30.260 putting stuff back in that's where you do yeah like um you know people call it like the blood

01:14:35.660 boy stuff right like like get the actual young stuff put back in or use stem cells or exosomes

01:14:40.780 i love that that's a thing that people are how long has that been around because i know it's

01:14:45.340 been like a trope in movies being like yeah yeah give me the children blood i mean ever since the

01:14:50.820 days of the vampire i guess so centuries but as far as it being somewhat accessible um to us

01:15:01.420 i think it's been less than a decade and again like texas is the only state where it's actually

01:15:06.940 legal to do the plasma yeah wild yeah okay yeah well that's interesting yeah my goodness okay

01:15:15.460 before we run out of time on this um this is a really simple question but what does your

01:15:22.020 morning look like and i want to know your travel hacks because i heard you travel a lot and i

01:15:27.360 always get walloped when i travel but like morning routine first questions um and it's interesting

01:15:32.640 because the two kind of parallel because if you have a good morning routine that you can take

01:15:38.720 some semblance of on the road, then it is a little bit of a circadian rhythmicity, health,

01:15:46.340 productivity, energy hack, because you're kind of simulating some of the same things that you're

01:15:51.480 doing at home. So what that looks like is looking at it from more of a standpoint of not specific

01:15:58.920 things that you do, but specific categories that you try and fit in in the morning. So for me,

01:16:05.580 first thing and i can easily do this on the road is i pour into myself spiritually and this is just

01:16:11.740 like the woo esoteric stuff i wake up i usually put on like a really good like um it's typically

01:16:19.360 like a spiritual music track like whatever hill song or bethel worship or some old hymn or just

01:16:25.420 some spiritual musician or uh i do the daily audio bible so that does a passage from the old

01:16:35.060 Testament, the new Testament, then Psalms and Proverbs. That's like the first 20 minutes of my

01:16:39.500 day is just me and the Bible and God and prayer. And typically there's a lot of gratitude poured

01:16:47.440 into that too, just because I'm not starting off with the podcast or an audio book or opening

01:16:53.020 social media or whatever. So the phone's in airplane mode. I'm tooling around, getting ready

01:16:57.100 for the day, kind of building myself up spiritually. And I finished that with prayer. So whenever all

01:17:02.680 that stuff and sometimes I'm in the living room sometimes I'm already out of my office by then

01:17:07.140 but I say a prayer and it varies from day to day it's usually just me pouring out my worries my

01:17:12.980 cares my anxieties you know people that I've told them that I'd pray for it's just basically my

01:17:18.920 personal time with God and then I do 15 to 20 minutes of deep tissue work like arm swinging

01:17:27.220 bouncing up and down, body twists, like Tai Chi moves. I have this whole mashup of different

01:17:32.720 moves that I do, and it's not the same, but I always start my watch and give myself at least

01:17:38.500 15 minutes just to wake up the whole body. I mean, it's like slapping and foam rolling.

01:17:44.160 And I like this because when I'm traveling, I can get up, I can be tooling around the hotel room,

01:17:49.380 brushing my teeth, putting on, you know, washing my face, putting on product, stretching, whatever,

01:17:54.200 and still listening to songs and listening to the Bible. So you can kind of do both of those at

01:17:58.520 once. And then I go in the kitchen and I get coffee or tea. And then I do, um, emails combined

01:18:08.440 with red light therapy. So I have these two red light panels at my desk and I sandwich myself

01:18:13.420 in between these red light panels. And the one in front of me is just low enough to where I can

01:18:18.260 like reach around it and be on my keyboard. So I'm basically getting morning sunlight equivalent,

01:18:24.180 like targeted what's called photo biomodulation on my body for the first 20 minutes. And I'm just

01:18:30.120 standing there naked in between two panels, replying to emails. Uh, and I have the dorky 0.94

01:18:35.380 red light helmet on too. So I've literally got the helmet, the panels, um, and you feel amazing.

01:18:40.700 It's just, there's like this endorphin release and you know, it's way easier than dragging my

01:18:45.360 laptop out into the freezing 40 degree patio to try and catch some sunrise. And you feel really

01:18:51.080 good afterwards. And during that time, all I'm doing is just looking at the calendar for the

01:18:55.440 day and making the plans for the day. I'm not jumping into deep work or anything like that.

01:18:59.700 When I travel, typically I do the same thing by grabbing my phone and going outside for a walk.

01:19:05.880 And if it's nice, I'm usually like barefoot. Literally, I walked 20 minutes this morning,

01:19:10.380 laps around the hotel in the sunshine barefoot um just for the grounding the earthing the

01:19:16.060 connection to the planet um and then we kind of like officially start the day as a family at 7

01:19:23.960 a.m so at 7 a.m we have this big family huddle where everybody meets up in the living room and

01:19:29.640 if it's a nice day on the back patio and we talk about how everybody slept and what everybody's

01:19:35.540 doing that day. And we, um, we check in with each other. We ask if anybody has any needs for that

01:19:43.140 day. We talk about who's making what for dinner. Cause we're usually all pitching in, you know,

01:19:47.440 who's taking the cars and where, and it's just like this family meeting and that's every single

01:19:52.060 day. And then I read the family, something from the Bible and teach them from the Bible. And we

01:19:58.840 just work our way through the entire Bible throughout the year. We pray together as a

01:20:02.720 family and then typically once every couple of weeks we nix all that and we just have a giant

01:20:07.720 dance party for like 10 or 15 minutes where we just play songs dance but we always like since

01:20:13.720 the boys were like six years old we have this big morning family party and we do the same thing at

01:20:18.840 7 p.m we like all meet at 7 p.m right before dinner and just all get together and hang out

01:20:23.520 and you know go through father son book club and sing a song and pray and so we have so that's how

01:20:30.740 I keep myself from being a laughing at you. That was like the nicest morning routine.

01:20:35.700 Oh, it's a great routine. Pretty frequently. And that was like by far the nicest morning

01:20:39.880 routine I've ever heard. And so, so that keeps me from being a workaholic because I know at 7am,

01:20:44.300 I got to be with the family. And then at 7pm, I got to be done with work and ready for our big

01:20:48.620 family party for a dinner party. And then after we have the family huddle, then I work out my

01:20:55.740 boys usually out in the gym doing their own routine. We used to work out together and now

01:20:59.500 we're just, you know, one of them's playing rugby, one's playing lacrosse and we're just

01:21:02.640 kind of doing our own thing. We're all out in the gym together. And then I don't let anything get

01:21:08.440 on my schedule before 10 AM. So no calls, no podcasts, no consults, not because I don't work

01:21:16.160 until 10 AM, but I don't want to adhere to anybody else's schedule until 10 AM. So if I've got some

01:21:21.780 extra projects that I want to work on, I'm I'll get up at four 30 and work until six 30 and then

01:21:27.000 do the red light and then go to the family huddle. Or if I'm a little tired, I'll sleep until seven

01:21:33.000 and we'll have the family huddle at seven 30. And then I've got a shorter workout and, you know,

01:21:38.900 I'll switch the morning around a little bit, but I never have like a zoom at nine or seven.

01:21:44.320 Yeah. I hate those. And I've moved those too. And you miss out on some stuff, but like,

01:21:49.020 it's worth it to me to, to have like a luxurious morning. And then once I do start working,

01:21:53.820 like i'm just like a horse with blinders and i feel like i can get deep work in because the

01:21:57.660 morning is just like so protected and my body's so dialed i'm connected to family and i'm just

01:22:02.720 ready to roll so wow that was great yeah and then last thing last thing so you asked about travel

01:22:09.940 i i do a lot of that except the family huddle part when i travel so i'm always getting red

01:22:14.140 light grounding earthing movement prayer red light what's that or you go outside uh i typically do

01:22:19.840 sunlight um i have some little portable red light devices but it's more like if i get an injury

01:22:24.800 whatever i take my knee playing pickleball or whatever um but if you look at travel it's very

01:22:30.640 simple um in the same way that no matter whether you're traveling or you're at home you have your

01:22:34.800 basic sleep hygiene principles right uh room is cold room is dark uh no stress me no work in bed

01:22:40.480 and then uh sound use sound to cover up ambient noises um so cold um darkness uh no stress and

01:22:50.760 some sort of cover-up sound that goes with me on the road but then the only thing you really need

01:22:56.500 to be familiar with i think to get like 90 percent of the circadian rhythmicity issues

01:23:01.260 solved when you travel is this term called zeitgeibers which is a german term that means

01:23:06.380 timekeepers. And there are certain things that get your body aligned to a new circadian rhythm

01:23:13.480 much faster. Um, they are light meaning presence of bright light, or even the use of like blue

01:23:20.600 light producing glasses. Uh, there's one company called IO one called re timer. Uh, the company

01:23:25.880 raw optics makes lenses that concentrate blue light rather than block blue light. So you want

01:23:30.980 to get blasted with that in the morning and then i have a little red light headlamp that i use in

01:23:36.760 my hotel room at night to get around like everything's blocked at night um temperature

01:23:42.180 super easy keep things cold um i do call the folks at jasper and try to get them to deliver a

01:23:49.320 portable hepa air filter to a hotel if i'm in a major city yeah because the air quality is a big

01:23:54.500 one but that's not really a timekeeper it's just an extra bonus um but temperature super cold

01:24:00.660 and what that means is that cold temperature at night jump starts nighttime sleep drive and warm

01:24:06.960 in the morning so if you can do sauna um i got in the hot tub this morning anything that can get the

01:24:13.280 body warm even if you don't normally take a nice long steamy shower you do that but you try to get

01:24:18.020 the body hot in the morning and cold at night and the hot in the morning cold at night is especially

01:24:23.000 important if you've crossed multiple time zones so cool temperature and then the last two are food

01:24:29.240 If you're normally a breakfast skipper, you would actually want to eat a higher protein breakfast in the time zone of wherever it is that you've traveled to.

01:24:37.640 So I usually like to work out fasted, but like I was recently in Germany and I would go down to the breakfast room and have a little bit of egg.

01:24:47.760 And I was just having like eggs and sprouts and a little piece of toast.

01:24:50.980 And then I'd go hit the gym just because food is such a powerful driver to jumpstart the circadian rhythm and then not eating outside of the normal eating zone of the timeframe that you're in, unless you're only there for a very short period of time, in which case you keep eating at the normal time zones of your, where you're going to be back home because you want to stay on that time zone.

01:25:11.140 So it kind of depends on how long you're going to be where you're at.

01:25:13.480 And then the last time keeper, um, is movement.

01:25:17.320 And that one's pretty easy.

01:25:18.220 Like movement session, typically timed within the first three hours of waking and nothing

01:25:23.580 like three hours leading up to bedtime as far as intense exercise.

01:25:27.260 And that solves like 90% of circadian rhythmicity issues for people.

01:25:31.340 If they can nail, um, the temperature, the light, the food and the movement when they

01:25:38.640 travel.

01:25:39.460 Cool.

01:25:40.140 Yeah.

01:25:40.600 Okay.

01:25:41.140 and the nad patch yes i'm definitely gonna look into that okay cool well ben thank you very much

01:25:48.980 for making time it's nice to finally meet you in person yeah it'll be cool to to introduce you to

01:25:54.100 my audience too i'm surprised we've never done a podcast i don't think you've been on my podcast

01:25:58.500 before have you i don't think so no i've been podcasting for too long i forget my guess but

01:26:04.420 i'm pretty sure you have a podcast so this will be a first well michaela fuller the car expert

01:26:10.580 Ben Greenfield, like OG biohacker.

01:26:14.020 Awesome. Cool. Thanks for having me.

01:26:15.860 Thank you for having me.

The Mikhaila Peterson Podcast - June 03, 2026

Ben Greenfield Breaks Down Every Peptide, Patch and Protocol He Uses When He Travels ｜ Ben Greenfield EP 237

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