The Mikhaila Peterson Podcast - Detox Hacks, Histamine Intolerance, Genes and Toxic Substances in the Environment ｜ Dr. Ben Lynch

00:00:00.000 I noticed that doctors, instead of treating the patient, they would treat the problem.

00:00:04.820 That is a huge problem.

00:00:08.580 Naturopathic medicine utilizes the ability for nature and the environment to support our overall health.

00:00:15.840 The basics that our ancestors would have used.

00:00:18.020 When you go down that route, amazing things happen.

00:00:21.480 Interesting.

00:00:22.400 There's a fine line between benefit and problem.

00:00:25.860 You should only feel better when you detox.

00:00:27.740 You should not feel worse.

00:00:28.680 If you feel worse, it's a red flag.

00:00:31.000 If people have been exposed to something, what are detoxes you could pretty much recommend people try?

00:00:36.600 Folks, this is extremely important.

00:00:38.540 Okay.

00:00:42.080 Dr. Ben Lynch, welcome to my podcast.

00:00:45.100 Awesome to be here, Michaela.

00:00:46.880 I was just commenting on your glasses.

00:00:49.600 I like them.

00:00:50.720 I feel like I could use some.

00:00:51.940 What are they for?

00:00:54.320 Yes, we could all use them.

00:00:55.540 If we're staring at screens, you could use them.

00:00:57.380 they are shielding blue light that affects our vision and blue light is so bad because it's a

00:01:04.600 it's basically an oxidant it damages our eyes and so here we are so conscientious about taking

00:01:11.940 antioxidants and vitamin c and vitamin e and glutathione and all these other things but

00:01:15.700 our eyes are really really susceptible to this type of damage so you know we wear sunglasses

00:01:21.320 is outside so why don't we wear blue blockers when we're inside on screens is is blue light

00:01:27.540 from screens i'm i told you i'm not very knowledgeable in this area but is it not

00:01:32.160 similar somewhat similar to the sunlight you're getting anyway during the day isn't it okay during

00:01:36.820 the day that's a good question um i'm not an expert on blue light either um i would say that

00:01:45.360 the if there is blue light coming from the sun which there might be um i would say that the

00:01:53.120 this light coming off the screen would be highly more concentrated in it so and a funny story about

00:02:00.140 these glasses is i was i walked into my son's room in the evening because i put these on in

00:02:04.240 the evenings i have redder ones in my bedroom for actually in the bathroom when i get ready for bed

00:02:08.220 i put the red ones on because it filters more blue light and if you put them on during the day right

00:02:13.000 no, it'll make you too sleepy. So I walk into my son's room in the evening and he's getting ready

00:02:18.440 for bed. And he's like, dad, what do you think of my new starry night sky? It's like, what are you

00:02:22.820 talking about? And he goes, I just plugged in the starry night sky. Don't be stupid, dad. Just

00:02:27.700 what do you think? Is that cool galaxy? And I was like, dude, I don't see it. I was like, oh, wait

00:02:31.840 a minute. I go like this. I was like, oh yeah, that is cool. I put my blue blocks go. And he's

00:02:36.300 like, whoa, let me see. So then I take my blue blocks off and he couldn't look through it. He's

00:02:40.620 like oh my god so those starry night constellations in our kids rooms no good for for uh blue light

00:02:47.360 but they're pretty cool looking and he was pretty impressed that i couldn't see a thing

00:02:51.820 with from the blue light blockers scarlet wanted to get one of those starry night things and i said

00:02:56.620 no it's like you can have something red if you want that kind of shows up in your room but

00:03:01.380 you can't have any of the blue stuff yeah yeah so before we get started can you give a brief

00:03:07.260 background about who you are and what it is you do yeah so um i have a guy that lives in seattle

00:03:16.660 married to a lovely woman for 23 plus years three boys i own a company called seeking health and

00:03:24.200 seeking health is a supplement company that we're transitioning to a health company where we are

00:03:29.460 trying to be more providing more tools more educational uh information about how you can

00:03:37.600 support your own health um that's been going on since about 2011 i got my bachelor of science

00:03:44.360 from university of washington and some molecular biology and then i was pre-med and i was when i

00:03:50.900 was pre-med i was like well i don't really like any of the type of doctor i don't want to be a

00:03:54.880 surgeon i don't be a neurologist i don't want to be a dermatologist i don't i don't want to be a

00:03:58.440 family doctor. Nothing interested me. And so it was actually kind of frustrating. So I pulled

00:04:06.300 myself out of school, end of my junior year, traveled South Pacific and Southeast Asia. And

00:04:10.960 while on that trip, I got really ill in India, shocker. And while I was really ill in India,

00:04:17.940 a local said, well, let me, let me just take you to our local doctor. And I'm like, oh God,

00:04:22.320 here we go um so i was introduced to ayurvedic medicine and ayurvedic medicine is an ancient

00:04:28.520 east indian style of medicine and uh i got significantly better with about 80 better in

00:04:34.520 about an hour or less and medicine that actually used is still the remnants right there on my shelf

00:04:40.700 as a memento um and then it led me to studying naturopathic medicine which i fell in love with

00:04:47.400 Because naturopathic medicine utilizes the ability for nature and the environment, mindset, lifestyle, food, nutrition to support our overall health.

00:05:01.040 and we can utilize minor surgery and pharmacology when we need to but our primary driver is you know

00:05:09.500 the environment the basics that our ancestors would have used with uh targeted nutritional

00:05:15.100 support which has been my uh forte i fell in love with biochemistry in junior year of high school

00:05:21.900 and it just you know when you find one of those things you absolutely love it just kind of falls

00:05:26.160 in your lap and you just want to keep it there your whole life and biochemistry for me was that

00:05:31.460 i loved how it connected science and biology with our immediate lives and how our body functions

00:05:41.440 utilizing these nutrients that we either consume or don't consume and the chemicals which we all

00:05:48.420 consume and we don't want to and how that interferes with our biochemistry so when you

00:05:52.600 When you go down that route, amazing things happen.

00:05:56.220 And, you know, my goal is to help educate the masses about their own biochemistry in a way that is practical and actionable and provides tremendous success.

00:06:11.440 And it's been helping a lot of people so far.

00:06:13.620 hey everyone speaking of detoxing in this episode i've been saunaing pretty consistently to help

00:06:20.740 detoxify since i became ill again from mold while living in florida seriously that stuff is

00:06:26.740 everywhere and it's something to look into if you have weird symptoms like insomnia and food

00:06:31.160 sensitivities low blood pressure heart palpitations it can cause so many things and it's so hard to

00:06:37.300 avoid it's very frustrating and it really does impact you mold anyway back to the sauna the

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00:07:40.800 I think my audience is familiar with this, but so I was like, I've been chronically ill just

00:07:45.740 forever and I've got things under control right now, but like they're barely under control all

00:07:50.340 the time. So I'm doing well, but if anything sets it off, it's just a cascade of hell.

00:07:55.300 And I always disregarded naturopaths, I think, because my mom was very, was a very hippie person

00:08:01.940 and very open to everything.

00:08:03.620 And a lot of the things she was open to

00:08:04.880 turns out that they were real.

00:08:06.380 But my dad was very logical

00:08:08.180 and mainstream medical science oriented.

00:08:11.920 And I kind of took after him and was like,

00:08:13.860 oh, naturopathy, you know,

00:08:15.280 they're talking about leaky gut.

00:08:16.400 What is that?

00:08:17.220 This was years and years and years ago

00:08:18.940 and just disregarded it for a long time,

00:08:22.080 partly because I was so entrenched in the medical system

00:08:25.460 that the doctors I was talking to also disregarded it

00:08:28.080 and I trusted them.

00:08:29.460 So it took a while to switch around,

00:08:31.440 But obviously, I've switched around.

00:08:35.060 I wanted to talk to you specifically for more selfish purposes, because I've been on this

00:08:40.020 lion diet for, it's been five and a half years.

00:08:43.880 And I've done a ton of reading on that healing leaky gut.

00:08:48.700 And that's what I have.

00:08:51.800 And my assumption going into the diet was I'd go into the diet for a period of time,

00:08:56.400 maybe six months calm everything down heal a bit and start reintroducing things

00:09:01.860 and that that would go well and that hasn't happened to me so I've been on this diet and

00:09:07.080 I've been managing it and I'm very grateful for the diet because I was very ill before it

00:09:11.520 but I haven't been able to reduce the inflammatory responses and in the last couple years I've found

00:09:17.300 out the hard way that my environment was playing a much larger role in my health than I had

00:09:22.680 originally thought. So I always had air purifiers. I was using non-toxic products. I was really

00:09:28.380 careful with what I was putting on my body and what I was around, but there were some. So mold

00:09:34.480 is what got me in the last couple of years that I couldn't see. It was in drywall and I got sicker

00:09:39.960 and sicker and sicker. And so recently I've been doing more research into like how to detox these

00:09:44.920 issues and stop the histamine intolerance and various inflammatory responses that my body seems

00:09:51.800 inclined to do so i wanted to start this podcast off with i know you basically specialize in in

00:09:58.180 what histamine intolerance is and what to do about it so that we could start there and then just

00:10:02.620 work our way up from there yeah definitely um and before we do that you know when you said that

00:10:13.760 you were in a family surrounded with logic and and utilizing logical uh methods and approaches

00:10:20.940 towards obtaining health totally understandable i mean that's what i want to do as well which is

00:10:27.160 why i love biochemistry biochemistry is extremely logical and granted biochemistry is a human term

00:10:36.820 that we made up um it could have been called squiggles you know for that matter but it's

00:10:42.260 it's uh so we utilize this aspect of science to direct our understanding of how the body

00:10:49.920 functions becomes dysfunctional and how to restore the function okay so in a logical sequence of

00:10:58.160 events and understanding how the body does that and it's called mechanisms of accident and then

00:11:03.820 we have physiology and pathophysiology the the the methods in which pathology or disease

00:11:09.760 becomes into our systems so basically medical school is the first two years is learning how

00:11:17.120 the body works the next two years is how does it get broken and then the rest of your life as a

00:11:22.140 health professional it's how do you fix it which is why they call it a medical practice because

00:11:27.460 it's extremely complicated and so when i was working with patients um i i noticed that doctors

00:11:36.420 they would see a individual come in and that individual is labeled with something like say

00:11:42.220 histamine intolerance or mold exposure and they would treat them the same instead of treating the

00:11:49.420 patient they would treat the problem and that is a huge problem and i i quickly learned that

00:11:57.720 let's say a patient came in with um heavy metal toxicity and that was a huge one that i worked on

00:12:03.820 because i i worked heavily on environmental medicine shift so my specialty in naturopathic

00:12:08.960 medicine is actually environmental medicine cool um and i actually got to work with some of the top

00:12:14.940 doctors in the world uh on with environmental medicine and and uh that individual uh uh wrote

00:12:23.120 the sequence of books uh chemical sensitivity behind me uh that's cool god his his name is

00:12:32.580 escaping me um my gosh i gotta find his name let's say ray that's it dr bill ray i don't know

00:12:44.200 if you've studied his work or not but no william ray is phenomenal um he's since uh passed um but

00:12:52.140 so let's say a patient came in with heavy mental toxicity we would treat them the same and they

00:12:58.660 some would do really really well some would have no benefit and some would get worse

00:13:02.560 and i was like well there must be genetics involved here this was early early 2000s

00:13:08.040 so you know 20 some years ago when genetics wasn't really utilized in medicine and so then i started

00:13:14.800 looking at why these patients got worse and we would give them a lot of sulfur compounds for

00:13:21.220 moving mercury out of their body okay and if you give it a lot of mercury compounds that can turn

00:13:27.220 into sulfites and if you eat a lot of meat that can also that's a lot it can be a lot of sulfur

00:13:31.860 as well cruciferous vegetables can really flare people um and so anyway i i suggested why don't

00:13:38.260 we use a mineral molybdenum so hard to say um but molybdenum is a is a mineral that's naturally

00:13:44.640 found on our planet in foods that processes sulfites so if you have sulfite intolerance

00:13:50.380 You get headaches, irritability, red rashes, hot and headaches, asthma, difficulty breathing.

00:13:57.740 And so these individuals who we were giving these massive amounts of sulfur compounds, supplements, like glutathione, acetylcysteine, glycine, what have you, DMSA, they would get these rashes.

00:14:12.220 And I say, well, let's give them Linanum.

00:14:13.320 and i don't know the percentage of improvement but a significant amount of patients who we

00:14:20.000 started giving malignant to didn't have the reactions anymore they stopped and um so and

00:14:26.840 my supervising doctor said oh yeah they just get red rashes and flush and they get headaches

00:14:31.360 that's just a detox yeah so i you know it's in and i also want to say before we head into the

00:14:38.400 histamine intolerance thing genetics is a huge aspect of what i do because i really like focusing

00:14:44.680 on the individual not the label so the label of histamine intolerance or mast cell activation

00:14:49.920 disorder that's a thing you are michaela okay so we need to focus on michaela not histamine

00:14:56.180 intolerance and conventional medicine and conventional doctors and even naturopathic

00:15:01.860 doctors and integrative doctors and functional medicine doctors they are they they get set in

00:15:07.200 this realm of logic of icd-10 codes the patient walks in with the thing and they treat that thing

00:15:15.020 instead of the patient and then stuff just goes it just you just don't improve and i had patient

00:15:21.280 after patient that i worked on and um their charts would be you know a few inches thick can be chart

00:15:27.620 number four and i i looked at their the summary and they're struggling with fibromyalgia their

00:15:33.260 whole for the whole 10 years and so when they came in to see me i just pushed their charts away i

00:15:39.040 said let's start over let's start over and um i i shit you not in in in one visit i identified the

00:15:50.260 potential problem and um they did a lot of cleanup but granted they set the stage for me it's like

00:15:56.500 someone who's you know unscrewing the cap on the bottle they loosened it right and then i got the

00:16:00.160 cap off um but in in one visit i identified a huge problem my my treatment was stop all your

00:16:08.020 supplementation jump in a sauna come back and see me and she could not get up her first time i saw

00:16:18.240 her i went into the in the lobby to go get her she goes excuse me it's gonna take me about 10 1.00

00:16:22.160 minutes to get up from a seated position she was that sore she had to move her arm slowly 0.99

00:16:28.040 and then she used that other arm to pick up her other arm and then you just get up i mean she was 0.99

00:16:34.060 so sore she could barely move um and uh and then the next time i saw her in the lobby

00:16:41.520 it was like a month later and i was all excited and and my supervising doctor says yeah because

00:16:47.220 i i don't know why i let you stop all those cleansing supplements and fasting supplements

00:16:51.300 and detox supplements and parasite killing supplements but you know we'll just see what 0.99

00:16:56.220 happens and and because i was really pushing for it i walked out in the lobby she jumped up

00:17:01.320 literally ran to me and gave me a huge hug oh yeah so that that was really cool um so utilize

00:17:10.120 supplements wisely um yeah and and treat the individual not the the thing so you're you wanted

00:17:20.320 me to discuss histamine intolerance i i do focus on histamine a lot um but histamine is a histamine

00:17:28.380 is associated with essentially everything and i i don't want to give histamine a bad name histamine

00:17:33.380 is extremely important to our to our physiology histamine supports our ability to think and focus

00:17:39.720 right now our histamine levels are ideally at a certain amount that allows us to listen to this

00:17:45.020 conversation and learn and stay awake if you ever picked up an antihistamine on the back of an

00:17:52.420 antihistamine said this this drug may cause drowsiness so low histamine causes drowsiness

00:17:57.520 the inability to learn pay attention stay awake etc um and histamine in the right amounts also

00:18:04.900 supports our immune system's response to a trigger either it's mold or um you know bacterial or viral

00:18:11.840 infection and so that histamine that comes from that response amplifies our immune system to go

00:18:18.180 deal with the the problem the issue is some individuals if if i say fire in in my body

00:18:28.540 uh the response is oh okay there's a fire let's go put it out and some people they're like you

00:18:35.860 know basically infection happens like for my wife for example and it's not fire it's fire oh my god

00:18:43.300 fire and her body just over amplifies and it just stays nuts and keeps screaming keeps yelling

00:18:48.900 attacks everything her joints her brain her soft tissues um and it just keeps doing it and the fire

00:18:56.880 is gone i mean you you wipe those those bacterial and viral infections out you know you've been sick

00:19:03.000 for months now but uh you know you've been you've been fighting yourself um so you know i was looking

00:19:10.380 at your genetics and um you i just emailed you your histamine report that we're working on right

00:19:17.980 it's still in testing and what's interesting in your histamine report is you don't have that many

00:19:27.420 susceptibilities genetically yeah to reacting to anything histamine specifically related yeah so

00:19:35.760 then you get that report back and you're like damn i swore there was something genetically

00:19:40.520 triggering my responses to things and there are i mean there's there's some things in here

00:19:46.020 um that i'm looking at now that uh genetic variations that are are increasing your

00:19:51.260 susceptibility to have higher levels of histamine but then you have other things that

00:19:54.800 reduce your susceptibility so how do you interpret that right it becomes difficult so then that's

00:20:01.400 where you go into your lifestyle and your diet and all that and I want to say too from a logical

00:20:06.880 perspective what is a gene you know we hear the term gene or genetics and we think all those are

00:20:14.340 difficult I'm going to freeze I'm not going to pay attention to this interview because I don't

00:20:17.780 know anything about genetics well genetics is pretty simple genetics is a study of of how genes

00:20:24.160 function in our body and what do they do so a gene has a specific job to do and sometimes they

00:20:30.700 do multiple jobs so one today prepared us for this interview right he set up the the infrastructure

00:20:40.060 the podcast me setting up this other app for for the interview prior to getting on now we've got

00:20:45.360 you know other programs running in the background so you can say you know one was a gene to get this

00:20:51.520 podcast going now we have another gene that's recording it there's another gene you know the

00:20:56.040 microphone so they all have these functions and so i could have uh i could place this cap

00:21:02.720 on my podcast mic or cover with my hand and even though the podcast microphone is plugged in with

00:21:09.200 all these wires it's connected to all the systems i could block it with my hand let's say an

00:21:13.960 environmental chemical or let's call it mold and you're not going to hear me anymore right or it's

00:21:19.200 very muscled it doesn't sound good so you have to remove these obstacles so the genes can function

00:21:24.700 and perform their jobs so and if you have a genetic variation you can you can you inherit

00:21:32.900 these things that alter how your genes perform and they're not necessarily bad because natural

00:21:39.180 selection relies on genetic variation and and allows us to adapt in our environments the problem

00:21:46.100 is our environment changes so quickly um because of our you know race of technology that our

00:21:54.020 genetic um genetics aren't aren't made up for i mean where are you originally from your ancestors

00:21:59.420 you know uh yeah like almost like 95 northern europe like irish uk a little bit of scandinavian

00:22:08.680 germany germany yeah so let's let's think about that in terms of weather conditions

00:22:15.820 light conditions sun conditions foods that are eaten in those areas clothing um you know let's

00:22:22.900 go back 200 years right let's think about 200 years ago what happened in scandinavia in germany

00:22:28.580 those those times and you're probably you know hunter gatherers pillaging fishing um you know

00:22:35.740 in the in the winter it gets pretty damn dark and cold and where you live in now scottsdale

00:22:41.020 I just moved though right from I was in Miami and that's where I got ridiculously sick from mold

00:22:49.360 and I was like I'm going to the desert that's it yeah I'm really happy that that you moved

00:22:54.360 when you said Scottsdale I was actually relieved so good for you very smart okay that's that's

00:22:59.580 fine very smart um but you know think about your you you moved your ancestral genes to Miami

00:23:07.820 right where uh they're like where the hell are we right now and then you you move now to Scottsdale

00:23:17.580 you know and I'm not saying we need to all go back to where our ancestral genes came from we

00:23:22.060 don't need to race back to Germany or Scandinavia um but it's it's always interesting to think about

00:23:29.700 that because that's where your genes are designed to survive and thrive because your ancestors

00:23:34.720 survived and thrived there. And 200 years is far enough to go back. You don't have to go back to

00:23:41.500 like caveman times. You're like, maybe I should live in a cave, but a non-moldy cave. Yeah. I'm

00:23:48.020 not sure. That's a very good question. I don't know. But, you know, if we just think about 200

00:23:53.700 years ago, you know, technology, the advancement of technology in 200 years has been pretty

00:23:58.780 ridiculous yes um so you know we didn't have any of this and we were still eating food that was

00:24:05.660 food it wasn't packaged by three major mega corporations that were controlling everything

00:24:10.040 and you know 95 of the grocery store you shouldn't even touch um you know i love paul

00:24:15.740 saudino's uh videos where he just walks around and bashes a lot of stuff um so including vegetables

00:24:22.380 which is interesting and uh i use paul's work all the time when my wife says you need to have

00:24:26.640 a salad. I'm like, no, I never really want a salad. So I love my meat. So anyway, get me back

00:24:35.520 on track here. Yeah. Okay. So, so genes. So I did when I was first, when I first, it, when I,

00:24:43.100 it finally occurred to me that I wasn't getting better in the medical system. I kind of went in

00:24:47.540 a bunch of different directions. I did 23andMe. I tried to plug the raw data into third party

00:24:52.640 services to see if there was anything weird about it i did my grandparents i did my parents on both

00:24:58.060 sides i was like maybe there's some weird pattern somewhere that i can find that's contributing to

00:25:03.220 these inflammatory responses i didn't really find anything there was no you're unable to detoxify

00:25:09.180 this or you have problems with this like there wasn't any huge red flags that i was kind of

00:25:15.960 expecting um is it possible that you can be put into an environment and you can turn on genes

00:25:21.140 oh 100 i mean just think about it this way um in my book dirty genes i i talk about this okay

00:25:28.780 when you lay down in a dark room your your genes are your melatonin genes are turning on

00:25:37.960 in darkness and they're turning on in order to start releasing melatonin that's why these are

00:25:44.300 so that's why blue blockers are so effective in the evening because blue light inhibits the release

00:25:49.180 of melatonin or it does something along the the melatonin um things i forget exactly what the

00:25:56.340 mechanism is but anyway it disrupts your melatonin and um so light turns on genes that support

00:26:04.680 some things and light also turns off other genes okay so food will do the same thing certain foods

00:26:14.360 will turn on some genes and some foods will turn off others and when i say turn off turn off is a

00:26:20.960 harsh statement it might slow it down so there might turn off some genes or it might just really

00:26:27.860 really slow them down significantly or it might slow them down in their ability to perform just

00:26:34.700 a little bit okay it depends so grapefruit when you eat or drink grapefruit like grapefruit juice

00:26:42.160 you are slowing down a very very important detoxification gene called cytochrome p450

00:26:47.200 there's multiple cytochrome p450s there's many many many genetic variations that occur with these

00:26:53.780 they're really important for processing medications environmental chemicals and then it processes

00:26:59.400 these compounds and actually usually more reactive compounds that you know you need

00:27:03.360 phase two detoxification to come through like glutathione to help get them out of your your

00:27:07.920 system. So it can be beneficial to have a slower cytochrome B450, but grapefruit will slow that

00:27:15.560 down. Remember that lady who could barely get up when I told her to jump in a hot sauna? Well, 0.99

00:27:22.080 I didn't know her genetics at the time, but when I looked at the supplements that she was given,

00:27:28.260 they were pushing the phase one detoxification really, really hard. And folks, this is extremely

00:27:33.420 important. Okay. So if, if, if you are detoxing, you know, once a year or twice a year, and you

00:27:39.240 always have these detox reactions, you should only feel better when you detox. You should not feel

00:27:43.280 worse. If you feel worse, it's a red flag. And, and don't, don't just settle for, oh, it's just

00:27:51.080 a die-off reaction or I'm detoxing. No, no, no, no. You should only feel better. So when you walk

00:27:57.620 into your house, you start cleaning your house or taking a shower, you start washing the mud off

00:28:03.220 your knees if you're in the yard you should only get cleaner shouldn't get dirtier right so um it's

00:28:11.360 the same thing so uh i heard you resonate with that so if if you are supplementing with phase

00:28:16.660 one types of nutrients and some are phase one and two so when i say that phase one means it

00:28:22.660 transforms a compound like mercury um or uh Tylenol is another big one um it'll transform

00:28:32.160 these Tylenol or mercury into a more reactive compound. Less so. I don't think Tylenol is

00:28:38.860 reactive, and I could be wrong here, but I don't think Tylenol is that bad until it hits your

00:28:43.860 Cytocorn P450 genes or enzymes, process into a more reactive compound, and then that's where it

00:28:50.400 can wreak havoc. So, and now you need the phase two to help clean up that mess, and then phase two

00:28:56.220 leads to phase three where you pee it out or poop it out or sweat it out. So I looked at her

00:29:01.020 supplements they were mostly phase one hardly any phase two i don't recall if she was constipated

00:29:05.880 or not probably because taking so many supplements she was taking so many so if you're constipated

00:29:10.620 you're just reabsorbing all these compounds yeah um and not getting them out so i said okay let's

00:29:16.440 stop all this phase one pushing which were her supplements and this was my argument to the doctor

00:29:20.520 let's get you in phase three support where you know i want to recommend colonic and enemas and

00:29:26.800 all that but i i actually don't remember um where she was with that so we just threw her in a sauna

00:29:31.320 and uh yeah thankfully it worked so when you started detoxing with health professionals or

00:29:40.000 yourself did you notice that you got incrementally better for a while then got worse or

00:29:45.360 walk walk us through that yeah so it was mostly back in 2016 2017 when i was i thought i had some

00:29:52.440 sort of bacterial infection or viral infection that was just keeping my immune system in an

00:29:59.240 inflammatory state. I hadn't considered mold at that point. And I tried a bunch of things. I

00:30:04.580 sprouted a sodium metabisulfite allergy, like true allergy. So did my dad, which we'd never

00:30:11.900 noticed before. Very severe. So like anaphylactic reaction to sodium metabisulfite. Did some

00:30:18.060 research found molybdenum, the reactions were so severe that I didn't even feel any different with

00:30:23.200 molybdenum. So that, that was kind of a neutral thing, but I tried a bunch of kind of detox

00:30:29.160 protocols. It wasn't through a health professional. It was just trying certain supplements and I felt

00:30:36.260 worse on everything I tried. I tried a bunch of different probiotics. I tried the low histamine

00:30:40.740 probiotics. Um, I think my gut was too damaged to tolerate probiotics. Maybe, um, activated charcoal

00:30:48.680 was either neutral or maybe slightly positive. Um, recently from the mold exposure, I've been

00:30:55.380 taking cholestyramine, which I don't know if that's how you pronounce it. I've been calling

00:30:58.920 it CSM. That's, so that's been the only thing I think I've ever taken that helped and it helped

00:31:07.300 dramatically it was crazy actually I had so just so so people know it's a binder it's not

00:31:14.880 systemically absorbed and it binds bile and then when you poop it out I apparently it just takes

00:31:22.300 whatever is in your bile and releases it I don't know if they actually have evidence of what comes

00:31:27.580 out but it just made me feel better but while like I was having while it was traveling through

00:31:34.620 my digestion i could feel it and i'd get symptoms so i'd like sweat and things um and feel worse

00:31:40.340 but it was interesting because i knew that was right before i was basically going to have a

00:31:43.560 bowel movement and that lasted for about a month um and i got like some pain say that say that bit

00:31:50.240 again about bowel movement so right before i was going to have a bowel movement my symptoms would

00:31:54.880 flare a little bit so i'd get nerves some nerve pain and sweating um almost like a re-exposure

00:32:01.320 that's what it felt like uh and then i'd have a bowel movement and it would be gone but every

00:32:05.760 time i took the csm this was while you're taking the colicidamine or before while so this was after

00:32:11.440 i started that lasted for about a month and then since then everything's been good but that's been

00:32:15.920 the only detox like helper thing i've tried that hasn't gone terribly wrong like usually i i just

00:32:22.140 feel i feel so much worse and i trying to reintroduce probiotics i had some medical help

00:32:27.180 there. And the entire time it was like, oh, you're just getting through a die off period. You're

00:32:32.420 just, it's just a bit of a Herx reaction type of thing. And it was so bad that I was like, there's,

00:32:37.600 I don't know, this doesn't feel like it's an improvement. This feels like I'm reacting to it

00:32:42.820 and it didn't go away. So that's why I, you know, gravitated towards the diet. Cause I just cut out

00:32:47.220 everything. Wasn't taking any supplements. I was like, just like trying to survive. Um, and that

00:32:52.160 lowered a lot of my symptoms. So it was just, when you said, you know, if you're taking supplements

00:32:56.740 and you're experiencing all these bad reactions,

00:32:58.620 but it's like die off and you're detoxing.

00:33:00.660 I didn't feel like that was right either.

00:33:03.960 That's good.

00:33:04.740 That's awesome that a lot of us ignore the symptoms

00:33:10.020 that our body is presenting us.

00:33:11.720 Yeah.

00:33:12.220 You know, if someone knocks on our door,

00:33:14.260 rings a doorbell or we get a notification on our phone,

00:33:17.000 we respond to that.

00:33:18.400 But why don't we respond with when we get a headache

00:33:21.660 and think, okay, I have a headache.

00:33:24.860 What did I do to get this headache?

00:33:26.740 what happened? Oh, I, you know, I did have another drink last night and I ate a lot and actually

00:33:35.640 went to bed really late and my cell phone was on next to my bed all night. So yeah, that kind of

00:33:40.780 makes sense why I get a headache and my water intake was pretty low. A lot of us just will

00:33:45.460 swallow an aspirin or Tylenol and just, you know, tell our body to shut up. And, and you don't want

00:33:51.580 to do that. You really want to listen to these symptoms because it's our body's way to say,

00:33:55.800 hey there's some dysfunction going on take a pause for just a few seconds backtrack what what did you

00:34:04.420 do because you did something and if you didn't and and that doesn't mean that it's blaming it's

00:34:10.180 it's evaluation so logically go through your past events and say okay i did this i did this i did

00:34:18.360 this what was new that's always a very good question what was new and also what has been

00:34:23.340 recurring is also a very good question so recurring while something like cholestyramine for you could

00:34:29.040 be really really good right now it might at some point yeah not be and and you have to be prepared

00:34:36.540 for that because whatever may be life-changing for you right now your body is is adapting and

00:34:43.960 changing and maybe hopefully improving so you don't need that cholestyramine anymore and at

00:34:49.420 some point that cholestyramine is going to be binding various nutrients like folate and b12

00:34:54.700 and now you possibly can get folate b12 deficient which can lead to other problems so um and have

00:35:03.180 you ever heard the term secondary bile acids no okay so you're familiar with bile yes okay so

00:35:13.420 can we talk about your genetics publicly yeah yeah okay so i've been going through your genetics

00:35:19.780 your your strategy report that you ran and then the histamine report that you ran and i've been

00:35:24.620 scouring it looking for certain things and um you do have genetic susceptibility like me to have

00:35:31.620 reduced bile acid synthesis so and uh so there's a gene that really supports um well the production

00:35:43.020 of of bile and it can if you have these genetic variations your risk for fatty liver increases

00:35:49.860 tremendously and your risk for gallstones and gallbladder issues uh increase significantly

00:35:55.400 and from that also is SIBO. SIBO stands for small intestinal bacterial overgrowth. Have you ever

00:36:01.920 had symptoms of SIBO or issues with SIBO? Yeah when I first went on the diet I mean I'd taken

00:36:06.980 a lot of antibiotics throughout my life. I got a C difficile infection which was brutal which I got

00:36:14.660 under control with FMT thank goodness. But yeah I looked into SIBO. Fecal matter transplants.

00:36:23.680 oh okay yeah do you ever use saccharomyces blartii no i didn't try that because my react i kind of

00:36:31.560 put probiotics all in one category and i tried a few of them and they were so horrifying that

00:36:35.800 was like i don't want to yeah it's scary probiotics can be very very very very problematic as you

00:36:42.200 found out um and uh and it's because probiotics while they're really tiny tiny bacteria they

00:36:49.920 they produce compounds and when you're taking billions of them they produce a lot of those

00:36:56.400 special compounds so they can produce serotonin they can and serotonin is associated with gut

00:37:02.080 motility meaning how fast the stool moves to your digestive system if you're constipated

00:37:06.420 taking serotonin producing probiotics fantastic if you have loose stools and you take serotonin

00:37:12.920 producing bacteria oh my god you're you're not doing well if you have high histamine and you're

00:37:18.400 taking lactobacillus vulgaricus or lactobacillus helveticus or fermentum um you're going to be

00:37:24.780 hating life use your streptococcus same thing um but saccharomyces boulardii is actually a

00:37:31.400 beneficial yeast it's not a bacteria and everybody freaks out about the term of yeast but saccharomyces

00:37:37.020 boulardii is so well researched for c diff and uh so anytime people are taking another pearl here

00:37:44.560 folks anytime you are taking antibiotics you should always go to the store or online and

00:37:50.540 from a reputable company buy Saccharomyces boulardii and you can just put that in phone

00:37:56.900 to have Siri spell it for you but you take Saccharomyces boulardii while you're taking

00:38:02.160 your course of antibiotics because antibiotics again are antibacterial they're not anti-yeast

00:38:07.500 and so the Saccharomyces stays in your gut and it helps protect your gut while you're taking the

00:38:13.400 bacteria and you're you're not your likelihood of getting c diff reduces dramatically oh that's

00:38:20.780 very very protective that's cool yeah you wouldn't think about taking a yeast

00:38:25.400 to counteract a medication that kills everything but yeast that's right right um and then antibiotics

00:38:34.040 themselves um there's some back there's some antibiotics that are really really harmful on

00:38:40.740 the system um fluoroquinolones yes very very harmful did you ever take any fluoroquinolones

00:38:47.920 no my dad when he was going through benzodiazepine withdrawal and being allergic to everything like

00:38:54.940 a bubble person like me um covid he got covid and i couldn't visit him in the hospital because

00:39:00.680 they banned me from visiting and i went to visit him and he was in terrible shape and i was like

00:39:06.700 what do you give them a fluoroquinolone like i know that for people who have neurological issues

00:39:12.560 as well it can be even more toxic so no from what i know i haven't taken any dad got hit really hard

00:39:18.940 with one but we stopped it right away those i avoid everybody in my family avoids good yeah

00:39:25.200 make sure that in your note if if doctor asks you do you have any um susceptibilities medications or

00:39:32.820 what have you you can you gotta you gotta glorify these things to make it sound like if you take

00:39:40.780 them you're gonna die yeah so then they actually put it in a chart and they notate it and they

00:39:44.980 make damn sure nobody gives it to you because otherwise they're just gonna say oh yeah i don't

00:39:48.740 like fluoroquinalones they're just gonna they're not even gonna put it in your chart yeah and

00:39:52.480 they'll give it to you so fluoroquinalones i mean unless you absolutely have to as as your life

00:40:00.560 there's probably still some other alternative out there um than fluoroquinolones because they are

00:40:06.260 they've they've wrecked people too many too many people called flox right yes exactly flox and um

00:40:15.160 so you can say well which bacteria which antibiotics are associated with fluoroquinolones

00:40:19.220 again ask siri which back which antibiotics are associated with fluoroquinolones and just say you

00:40:24.240 have a massive allergic reaction to anything in the fluoroquinolone family um and uh stay away

00:40:29.980 from those. But going back to my point of secondary bile acids, so bile is a compound

00:40:37.120 that is produced by your liver in order to help you digest fat and absorb fat and the nutrients

00:40:44.680 that are found within that also supports B12 and vitamin D and insulin. It's associated with so

00:40:52.940 many things all sorts of different hormones um so bile is very very important and um so your liver

00:41:01.060 produces it and then after it produces it it's store it goes through these little pipes it lands

00:41:06.520 in your gallbladder your gallbladder holds the bile and then when fat comes by your your small

00:41:12.760 intestine from food um you know let's say you're keto and you're pounding the fat and um you know

00:41:20.640 you're going to be releasing a lot more bile into your small intestine to absorb that fat from the

00:41:24.680 ketogenic diet. Um, or if you're eating a really fatty piece of meat, um, you know, ribeye steaks

00:41:30.620 are really good, especially that the outer perimeter where, where it, uh, you know, got a

00:41:34.980 little bit more fat on there. Now you can be squirting some bile. The problem is a lot of

00:41:38.860 people don't squirt bile because it's too thick. Bile should be two parts of a compound called

00:41:44.760 phosphatidylcholine and one part cholesterol. Most gallstones and the most reason people get

00:41:50.440 their gallbladder is removed is because of the high amounts of cholesterol found in their gallbladder

00:41:55.120 so you get these cholesterol-based stones and that is because their their liver is not able to push

00:42:05.020 the cholesterol out so they get fatty liver they get gallbladder problems they get gallstones they

00:42:11.480 get intolerance to fat they get right shoulder tightness they can't fall asleep at night they

00:42:16.200 have uh intermittent um diarrhea alternating with constipation um they get super itchy um irritable

00:42:24.400 um so on and so on and so i i've i've been talking about gallbladder a lot um lately on on my

00:42:31.080 instagram and people have been really resonating with it because i've been talking about a lot of

00:42:35.480 symptoms with that now let's say you don't have any of those symptoms but you secrete the the bile

00:42:40.080 into your small intestine and there's bacteria i forget which ones they are but there's there's

00:42:46.380 certain bacteria that will transform that bile acid into a secondary bile acid and secondary

00:42:51.920 bile acids are really toxic they make you feel like rap so when you mentioned that you're taking

00:42:58.120 the cholestyramine to bind bile and you feel so much better it's been transformative for you

00:43:02.800 um you know you still have a long ways to go but cholestyramine has been that thing to help you

00:43:07.780 that tells me okay you've done the fecal medical transplant but there's still something that is

00:43:15.640 you know transferring that bile acid into a converting that bile acid into a secondary

00:43:20.480 bile acid which also makes sense because you are very susceptible to not feeling good from probiotics

00:43:26.880 and some probiotics will make that uh secondary bile acid worse um as well oh what are the

00:43:34.300 symptoms what are the symptoms of feeling worse are they like is there no ray or there's some

00:43:39.020 specific patterns yeah that's that's um i would say fatigue is a big one okay um uh muscle soreness

00:43:46.820 um headachy just like you feel poisoned yeah okay you just you just feel poisoned you feel toxic

00:43:54.380 you feel heavy um have you ever been to a restaurant or you've done something in your life

00:44:00.280 where after you've done it maybe even right away or or after a few days or a week or a month you

00:44:06.140 just feel light and your energy is good and your mood is good that's where we need to be all the

00:44:13.680 time but unfortunately health is a moving target it's very very dynamic um so we need to we need 0.82

00:44:20.020 to try that but bile acids they just make you feel lethargic headachy irritable um the the chinese 0.98

00:44:28.400 uh medical doctors back in the day i don't know they still do or not but they they call it black

00:44:35.420 bile uh black bile is associated with anger irritability um inability to sleep heat a rising

00:44:43.320 yang um deficient yin uh all these different types of statements so uh keep doing that

00:44:51.060 cholestyramine but my thought is what's what's increasing that uh secondary bile acid and you

00:44:57.480 also have a genetic variation which reduces your ability to synthesize that phosphatidylcholine

00:45:01.880 remember you get gallstones if the ratio of phosphatidylcholine is less than two to one

00:45:07.040 and so many people are say oh i'm high cholesterol i don't even eat that much meat i don't eat much

00:45:12.680 fat i don't eat eggs why is my cholesterol so high i don't eat carbs this doesn't make sense

00:45:18.320 well there's there's genes out there that support your body's utilization of cholesterol to make

00:45:24.780 hormones and also support its transport so again this is extremely logical stuff because if you

00:45:31.040 understand how the body works how it gets messed up and what the function of certain genes do

00:45:36.020 you can really um align these things in a logical sequence and logical manner and see how the body

00:45:43.600 is supposed to work and then again like i demonstrated by covering the microphone which i

00:45:47.940 won't do again but uh you know something is is messing up your bile acids um but you have a gene

00:45:55.260 that's associated with reduced production of phosphatidylcholine and that's called PEMT and

00:46:01.460 PEMT is is uh very very commonly uh slow genetically especially in women and there's

00:46:08.020 genetic variations that can slow it upwards of 70 percent so that means you only have a 30 percent

00:46:12.800 capacity of that gene functioning and in women when your estrogen levels drop let's say you

00:46:18.320 become post-menopausal at some point and if you are post-menopausal then your estrogen levels drop

00:46:25.000 and lower estrogen levels are also making it harder for your ability to make phosphatidylcholine

00:46:32.920 because estrogen promotes the synthesis the production of phosphatidylcholine and phosphatidylcholine

00:46:40.300 And I don't know if you've ever taken that supplement, but it's very slippery.

00:46:43.420 It's extremely slippery.

00:46:44.780 You get it on your fingers, you just can't get it off.

00:46:46.680 It's like castor oil almost.

00:46:48.540 And so, you know, your liver gets just loaded with phosphatidylcholine.

00:46:53.140 And that just helps the cholesterol slip right out.

00:46:57.420 So then you don't get cholesterol-based gallstones anymore.

00:47:00.000 So if you've had your gallstone removed, the problem of the gallstone has been removed.

00:47:06.720 but the horrible thick bile has not been resolved and you're still struggling with that so your

00:47:13.460 symptoms are still there they're just different than your immediate pain in your gallbladder

00:47:19.060 because that's been now removed but now you still have fatty liver you still have uh reduced bile

00:47:25.060 acid synthesis and bile acid flow and um you know right shoulder tightness and itchiness and what

00:47:30.720 have you and here's an interesting study that they did on mice is they they they took mice

00:47:36.180 poor mice and they uh they tied a suture in the bile duct of the mouse so the bile couldn't get

00:47:45.700 out and these these mice had no digestive issues so you said you had SIBO at some point well I had

00:47:52.940 a c difficile infection so and it was in my small intestine so yeah yes okay I guess okay yeah yeah

00:48:00.460 that that's definitely an infection yeah um so they they tied the bile duct of these mice

00:48:07.280 so the bile couldn't get through into the small intestine they got SIBO they had bacterial

00:48:14.820 overgrowth in their small intestine and and the and the researcher's like oh that's really

00:48:19.860 interesting so they didn't treat the mice with antibiotics they removed the the suture of the

00:48:29.920 bile duct which allowed the bile to flow back into the small intestine what do you think happened

00:48:34.460 and got rid of the SIBO exactly SIBO went away oh cool I mean that makes sense that's interesting

00:48:41.440 yeah so you know everybody has been taking rifaximin or all you know uh you know

00:48:48.600 prescribed antibiotic after prescribed antibiotic they might get some relief for a week or two um

00:48:54.780 or not um or in some people may have been lucky and they've they've gotten completely relief

00:48:59.720 um but if you just if the doctor's saying oh you just need to keep cycle refaximin maybe you're on

00:49:05.740 it all the time or low dose you just stay on it um nobody's talking about the gallbladder issues

00:49:11.200 even the leading experts of SIBO are not talking about the gallbladder and the bile production and

00:49:15.940 the bile flow dropping into the small intestine because bile is a natural antimicrobial

00:49:20.520 so it supports insulin secretion and diabetes it supports your hormones your thyroid your bone

00:49:26.280 health it's it's so so incredible supports your healthy flora and your gallbladder and your

00:49:30.980 small intestine um so supporting gallbladder health is incredibly important and some things

00:49:37.020 that you can do with that is i wanted to ask you about so you're you're eating meat now right

00:49:43.100 yep for the last five and a half years okay um how fatty is this meat and if as you notice think

00:49:51.620 back so if you've had a very fatty cut of meat compared to a more lean type of meat like bison

00:49:59.580 or buffalo or venison um or elk um how do you tend to feel um after so when i first started the diet

00:50:11.700 i was kind of averse to fat and then about eight months in i craved it for about two years like

00:50:18.720 lots of it I was I was eating a crazy amount of fat and about two and a half and my digestion

00:50:24.720 wasn't good but I felt like it was making me feel better cognitively and then about two and a half

00:50:31.480 years in I think around that I switched over to lamb that helped my digestion a lot so I think

00:50:37.160 it was histamine intolerance from the aged steak I was eating and then about three years in I

00:50:41.940 switched over to leaner cuts because for whatever reason just how I felt the fat wasn't doing it for

00:50:48.100 me anymore in the leaner. So I eat, I eat mostly New York's now. I can eat beef again. So the

00:50:54.400 histamine intolerance seems to be, I don't know, somewhat dampened to when I was living in the

00:50:59.800 moldy house. It was really bad then. So I would say I'm not super, super high fat, but New York's

00:51:06.320 are pretty fatty. Okay. And how well do you chew your food? Probably not well. I kind of inhale it

00:51:13.780 and then continue working okay and do you work while you're eating um not for dinner but generally

00:51:22.940 yeah okay don't look at me like that no no no I do it too um so I wrote the book dirty jeans

00:51:33.460 not perfect jeans right so uh and it's the the cool thing is when we have uh when we dirty our

00:51:41.020 own genes for the lifestyle that we do at times. The key is to knowing how to clean it up. So you

00:51:47.960 can take digestive enzymes or something to help support your digestion. So you ever heard of the

00:51:54.640 cephalic phase of digestion? Yes, but I don't know what it is. Yeah. Cephalic phase of digestion is

00:52:01.040 the initial phase of digestion. It's when you're in the kitchen cooking. It's when you're preparing

00:52:06.760 your food it's the anticipation of food it's smelling touching preparing visually seeing it

00:52:12.560 that's all the cephalic phase that is preparing your body to get the digestive systems going

00:52:19.140 because it sees the anticipation of food if you have a dog or a cat i've had a dog yeah i can't

00:52:25.940 can't tolerate anything now but i used to have one yeah so what would happen when you walk towards

00:52:33.080 the pantry would happen and you picked up that bag of food or you know that you prepared something

00:52:37.980 that you got their bowl what do they do start drooling basically exactly right so cephalic

00:52:44.020 phase in an animal pretty instant in us as well so i'm going to say the word lemon sour

00:52:50.940 extremely sour and lemon what's happening in your mouth right now anything yeah probably

00:52:56.500 salvation yeah yeah right that that crazy just by saying the word lemon your anticipation of

00:53:04.620 having a lemon come to your mouth has already made you increase salvation right so 40 of your

00:53:11.000 digestion for zero 40 of your digestion is this anticipation of eating food so it's extremely

00:53:19.640 important that we, we, I don't want to say respect, but we utilize the cephalic phase

00:53:27.500 of our digestion more often than not. And there's times where we can't and, um, you know, or just

00:53:36.140 don't want to, um, but notice that, okay, how's my digestion after? And if you're inhaling the food,

00:53:44.600 you're just going to feel heavier you're not going to feel lighter um so i think it was a japanese who

00:53:50.920 said uh chew your water drink your food something along like that meaning chew the hell out of your

00:53:58.300 food and uh are if if if you think about your stomach your stomach is just a bag full of acid

00:54:06.940 and it should have acid but the acid isn't there until the cephalic phase tells it to produce more

00:54:13.980 acid i mean it's there but it's in lower amounts the ph will actually drop with the cephalic phase

00:54:18.460 um otherwise we probably burn our tissues more um so but the the acid if you think about it if

00:54:26.860 if you swallow a piece this big you're only getting the acid around the outside of that

00:54:33.400 chunk of meat right so you're only digesting the perimeter of that meat not the interior

00:54:38.480 so that comes through and that little piece this piece might you know fall down to maybe

00:54:45.000 half of the size so half of this bite of food is now just being pooped out because you didn't

00:54:53.860 properly chew it so if you chew this piece you know this little bit you know in a lot smaller

00:55:01.040 pieces now that acid can get around every little kind of bit of your meat and the food that you

00:55:07.540 eat and so can the protein-based enzymes and the carbohydrate-based enzymes. They can just go

00:55:12.160 around all around the little pieces of food and process it, break it down so you can absorb it

00:55:18.060 and get the nutrients that you really, really need. So I would love to see you honor the cephalic

00:55:24.940 phase and honor yourself in dedicating time to your eating and to yourself and also chewing the

00:55:33.460 hell out of your food and cutting it into smaller pieces and literally putting your fork and knives

00:55:38.200 down on the table and leaning back and and eat something pretty um you know the stair uh scotts

00:55:46.360 dale is beautiful there's lots of stuff to look at or engage in conversation a good conversation

00:55:51.840 with your husband not not uh no arguing that that'll shut it right down um but these are again

00:55:59.040 you know here i am focusing on genetics and looking for genetic variations but at the same

00:56:03.480 time i will flip right back up to the very very basic fundamentals right so we've we've talked

00:56:10.260 about how you have a genetic variation that reduces your ability to synthesize fossil choline

00:56:14.380 um you know significantly but we've also gone right to the fundamentals if you're coaching

00:56:20.740 a basketball team or a soccer team and you don't coach the fundamentals of of passing the ball

00:56:26.180 but you focus so heavily on you know some type of trick you know you're gonna lose the game

00:56:32.500 so um you gotta practice the fundamentals and implement yeah um it does okay two questions

00:56:42.320 one does throwing a steak in an air fryer and flipping it count as preparation that's the first

00:56:48.200 question i suppose absolutely yeah because you've gone to the fridge right yeah you you remove the

00:56:55.000 steak you're preparing the steak you season the steak or maybe you haven't seasoned the steak

00:56:59.120 um and um you know no that is that is all preparation for sure um there's um have you

00:57:07.640 looked at the auto grill auto wild grill yeah yeah i just swank same kind of thing though

00:57:14.080 okay the the i don't like using gas um as propane powered i but you know i

00:57:22.480 i have not noticed any issues from that um it's very clean burning um you know i i remember

00:57:32.900 growing up with my with my dad when he would get the charcoal briquettes and spray the lighter

00:57:38.760 fluid all over it and light it and that's you know that's pretty bad um but no i i would say

00:57:46.060 that that is definitely um it goes phallic phase so you're you're doing that now we just need to

00:57:51.220 reduce your workload while you're eating and um you know just try you know one meal

00:57:57.020 and maybe work a different meal um but give it a shot it's it's really really important

00:58:02.640 okay i'm convinced i do eat in really small bites so at least that helps that's that's great that's

00:58:09.960 kind of an automatic thing so my mouth isn't open when i'm eating yeah okay well now chew it

00:58:17.060 yeah got it and chew it really well um and you will also notice that when you chew your foods

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01:00:21.360 I've got a lot of people interested now that I've been talking about mold because like it made me

01:00:26.020 so sick, interested in like what I'm doing to detox and how that's going and everything.

01:00:31.740 What's your opinion? So I've been working with a practitioner who's diagnosed me with SIRS,

01:00:37.640 which is this chronic inflammatory response syndrome. And I was like, well, I definitely

01:00:41.440 have some sort of chronic inflammatory response syndrome. So that's fair. I don't know how it's

01:00:49.500 going to go because I haven't tried it and I'm pretty skeptical of everything. All I know is

01:00:53.040 the cholestyramine has helped and removing myself from that environment has obviously helped um how

01:00:58.060 do you feel about some practitioners focus on mold as an issue for inflammatory diseases

01:01:03.840 do you think there's merit behind that for sure yeah i do um the problem is when you go to a

01:01:12.180 specialist in a particular thing they're going to focus on that specialty they're going to ignore

01:01:16.280 some of the things like yeah chewing your food um so so just be mindful that you're seeing a

01:01:23.920 specialist and what their specialty is go there for that but don't forget about everything else

01:01:31.020 that's going around right so i'm looking at your your genetic results here on your histamine pathway

01:01:36.740 And you do have increased susceptibilities for inflammatory responses.

01:01:44.140 So the question is, you know, to what degree, to what extent are these genes contributing to that?

01:01:54.240 And to what extent is the mold and potentially the secondary bile acids that are happening?

01:02:00.600 And I suspect there's still something going on in your small intestine, large intestine.

01:02:05.980 stomach me too yeah but like I mean I assume so but I don't know what to do about it I don't know

01:02:14.180 how to find out what the problem is yeah and um there's there's a a very good friend of mine and

01:02:21.120 colleague uh she's an Australian naturopath uh Elizabeth Lambert um I'll put you in touch with

01:02:26.460 her and um she's been doing quite a bit of research on polyphenols and the guts and bile acids and

01:02:32.300 have you ever tried berberine yeah i tried berberine but this was when i i mean i was so

01:02:38.220 sick i tried i tried berberine it didn't make me feel good but i also felt quite bad but i mean

01:02:44.100 yeah like i told you i've been loath to introduce supplements because even introducing certain

01:02:50.960 vitamins if it's not injected right they you know i get insomnia and feel awful they're pretty

01:02:58.020 severe reaction so it's like ah forget it maybe supplements aren't for me right so you're you're

01:03:03.720 when you take a supplement you know these bacteria or yeast or parasites or whatever is in there

01:03:09.460 um are are feeding off of those nutrients and then they're producing more compounds

01:03:16.040 and more secondary biolasses and you feel worse which is why you can't supplement

01:03:19.720 yeah so yeah you're you're feeding the monster literally um and you do have uh and and so

01:03:27.720 i will preface that yes we ran your histamine report we looked at it um i don't see anything

01:03:35.120 um just jumping out at me like there's no genetic variation that says oh my god this is this is the

01:03:41.480 one right that's usually it's usually not the case but i will i will also say that when we look at

01:03:48.140 genetic results or when we look at people's genetics we don't look for high risk um and

01:03:56.280 and very rare genetic variations we look for common genetic variations that affect individuals

01:04:02.020 um mildly moderately or significantly but we don't look at the really rare severe ones

01:04:07.660 um because frankly they're really rare and if they're that severe you're going to notice it

01:04:14.720 pretty quickly at birth but you do have an HLA-DQB1 gene which is a significant find

01:04:23.680 then you have some inflammatory cytokines which are also more sensitive so when your body yells

01:04:30.180 fire they jump and they they're screaming and yelling at each other to you know over prepare

01:04:36.000 but interestingly this this actually may be a a more significant thing is is um

01:04:44.400 infection fighting so there is there's a gene called myeloperoxidase which actually makes

01:04:52.900 a compound that is found is the main ingredient of bleach so your body actually makes its own bleach

01:04:58.980 and you have a um uh reduced ability to produce your own bleach yeah and it says um you might

01:05:13.720 have react you might have lower i'm reading now you have lower incidence of many diseases

01:05:19.220 triggered by reactive oxygen species inflammation but you're more susceptible to diseases triggered

01:05:24.700 by things like h pylori helicobacter pylori lives in your stomach so if if you think about it if you

01:05:32.500 have a genes job again think about it as a logical way the gene myeloproxidase mouthful is to produce

01:05:41.440 bleach and you have a reduced ability to make bleach then the h pylori is going to be like

01:05:46.820 sweet i'm gonna reside down here and if your cephalic phase of digestion isn't very strong

01:05:55.120 your ability your ability to synthesize uh more stomach acid is also reduced and i was talking to

01:06:03.140 an expert in h pylori and he says for every decade in life that we are is basically the

01:06:10.040 percent likelihood that you have h pylori so your dad's risk for h pylori is significantly higher

01:06:15.820 than yours right now is that common just due to his age yeah it's extremely common yeah okay

01:06:23.380 um another one um is nox um nox is a is a gene is also um uh it's nadph oxidase its job is to

01:06:36.660 produce pro-oxidants oxidative stress to fight infections and you have a homozygous variant

01:06:42.840 which is reducing your ability 30 percent according to research papers so you have a 30

01:06:48.260 percent reduced ability to produce reactive oxygen species needed needed to fight infection

01:06:53.520 from pathogenic bacteria or fungi the variance lower expression can be productive for cardiovascular

01:07:00.720 and other inflammatory diseases yet exhibits reduced effectiveness against fighting pathogens

01:07:06.060 which might be one of the reasons why you have to be on this cholestyramine so persistently

01:07:12.060 which explains why you can't take supplements which explains why you know you you have to take

01:07:18.000 ivs for nutrients not yeah swallowing them right so i again you and i this first time we've we've

01:07:28.960 talked we've chatted on via dms for years um and uh but this is the first time we've actually had

01:07:35.880 this conversation in detail so i don't i i'm just throwing out suggestions right i'm not i'm not

01:07:43.760 saying this is the thing but looking at your genetics and talking about some of the lifestyle

01:07:48.700 things that we found out like you know the cephalic phase of digestion and so on and now

01:07:53.420 these genetic variations um you know it's it's pretty pretty useful stuff to to know your your

01:08:00.740 genes where these susceptibilities are and it's also interesting that you do well with eating

01:08:06.720 meat because when you eat meat you have reduced need for some of these enzymes that are really

01:08:13.600 slow like you have a 70 slower gene it's mthfd1 in your folate pathway that's really low but if

01:08:21.780 you're eating meat it's not really as significant anymore interesting yeah so um and mcgfr is

01:08:32.620 similar you can you could you know uh liver if do you eat liver or organ meats not really i tried

01:08:40.980 to incorporate liver in and it honestly didn't make me feel very good which i didn't know why

01:08:45.880 it was like digestive partially and then so like maybe once a year because i'll get a craving

01:08:53.340 sometimes but like no not really i'm really just eating red meat okay um uh have you had paul

01:09:01.980 saldino on your your podcast yet like years ago we're gonna have another podcast though soon

01:09:07.480 okay yeah i think you should because he's come a long way um in his understanding and i i would

01:09:13.860 have Paul on and I would chat about these things. Um, cause I don't know what organ meats are more

01:09:19.840 tolerated by our digestion, which ones are easier to digest than others. Um, you know, hearts is a

01:09:26.140 pretty easy. You would say, you'd think that, yeah, I don't know what's wrong with my body.

01:09:31.500 You'd think it'd be easy. Yeah. But I, um, I was having dinner with him once with him, Mike Mutzel

01:09:39.780 and and uh they gave me this uh quarter inch by or like half inch by half inch cube of frozen

01:09:48.760 liver it wasn't cooked it was just frozen and they they cut it and sliced it and they

01:09:54.840 froze it in like this little silicone freezer tray that you use for you know food prep um

01:10:01.360 i was like oh god all right when in rome here we go and uh i ate it and it it actually the cold

01:10:10.280 was refreshing um i can't stand liver by the way yeah i can't stand liver um it's it's tough

01:10:17.880 it's gross it's just this weird texture um and uh but that frozen morsel that i got

01:10:26.000 um was pretty impressive um it tasted just fine it was refreshing and i got an immediate

01:10:34.560 buzz from it and a good buzz not like a red bull buzz um but i don't think i can tell you what a

01:10:41.600 red bull buzz feels like because i don't think i've ever had it um it's not great but uh yeah

01:10:46.700 i'm hesitating a little bit to recommend raw organs and meat to you given that there's i think

01:10:54.720 something in your digestive system that shouldn't be there this has been my assumption for a very

01:11:00.700 long time was there's something there but i don't know how to figure it out i don't know what it is

01:11:05.000 fecal matter transplants haven't mattered i can't take probiotics so i can't fight them that way

01:11:09.780 and i can't eat foods that potentially fight them because the response is just like cripples me um

01:11:18.920 right so i've just been like maybe it'll go away and then i lived in a moldy house and everything

01:11:22.980 got worse so then i was like maybe i have immune dysfunction from years of mold because there's

01:11:28.700 black mold in my house as a kid too uh which is when i got quite sick so yeah that's where i'm at

01:11:36.740 okay i i uh i'm gonna go in in doctor mode a few questions here um when did you last feel good

01:11:46.400 i mean like really good i i felt so i feel pretty good right now but i would like when i feel really

01:11:55.860 good i'm like high as a kite feeling good and so i probably feel like i'm at 70 right now

01:12:01.440 but 50 is so awful that 70 feels very good i felt really good in 2018 when it was about six

01:12:09.720 months into the diet i moved into a new apartment no no let's let's go let's go earlier than that

01:12:15.700 oh my gosh I I haven't felt good ever before 2018 like I don't remember okay so as a young girl

01:12:24.180 no I was so sick I had I had arthritis almost all over my body I was chronically fatigued I

01:12:30.680 was anxious I was itchy all the time I couldn't breathe through my nose like I didn't breathe 0.64

01:12:34.360 through my nose till I was like 23 when I changed my diet so it's just forever yeah were you breast

01:12:40.920 breastfed c-section no breastfed yes okay c-section breastfed was it a complicated pregnancy

01:12:47.660 um apparently i was in fetal distress when my mom was giving birth which is why they did a c-section

01:12:56.140 i don't know if that was true or not but not that complicated the pregnancy wasn't complicated

01:13:01.780 okay um have you ever done genetic testing looking for a gene called uh fut2 no

01:13:11.880 okay i would go through your reports the problem with genetic reports is

01:13:18.100 that you have humans preparing these genetic reports and some of these organizations that

01:13:26.240 are preparing genetic reports don't know what the hell they're doing they're just copying other

01:13:30.400 genetic reports trying to make a buck yep and and they they're giving you information that is

01:13:35.560 actually leading you down the wrong route so i say that uh because there's there's a lot of reports

01:13:45.620 out there um so be careful there's some reports i i think that are are quite good um but fut2 is

01:13:54.400 a genetic variation that's that um is really important for mucosal protection against

01:14:03.340 bacterial infections and also healing and and um i'm gonna butcher it so i'm gonna type it in real

01:14:11.500 quick here um my original like hypothesis was so when i was about six months old i got really sick

01:14:21.920 with strep and, um, I was put on antibiotics and I ended up with a very severe yeast infection

01:14:28.560 after the antibiotics. And then after that, like at, by the age of two, I had arthritis everywhere.

01:14:35.920 So I was like, maybe there's some sort of strep, but that'd be, oh, so I don't know,

01:14:41.140 hopefully it's not viral, but if it's bacterial, I was thinking strep seems to be

01:14:44.720 what started all this mess. Unless there was something that made me predisposed to the

01:14:50.440 infection in the first place. Okay. Have you been treated for yeast systemically,

01:14:55.500 like taking Nystatin or anything? No, I had, um, I had Candida overgrowth tested by stool tests,

01:15:02.940 but when I went on the meat diet, those tested negative after about six months.

01:15:06.980 So I never took anything for it. Okay. Okay. Um, so yeah, Nystatin is a, is a quite safe,

01:15:18.120 uh, medication that is very targeted for yeast, which is, as you said, you're possibly it's,

01:15:29.040 it's gone. Um, testing though is also inherently problematic. You would think that getting a lab

01:15:36.280 test, uh, would be bulletproof in terms of evidence and accuracy. The problem is it's,

01:15:44.180 it's riddled with issues um so that's why i like what i call empirical uh testing where

01:15:52.340 you do some action and you you await the result and you you identify what that result is is that

01:15:59.980 result nothing okay is a result something or it was a positive or negative and how much

01:16:05.220 um and and that also trigger other things that are bad or other things that were good

01:16:12.140 It's, it's pretty much that simple. So if I take a glutathione lozenge, then I feel clarity in my head starting within about five seconds. Then after about a minute, um, my vision is, is, is brighter and my head becomes even clearer.

01:16:33.900 and then about five to ten minutes later I have an increase in uh happy mood and more energy I

01:16:44.960 feel lighter like overall so you say it's just like these incremental improvements and that's

01:16:50.100 what I want you doing when you're changing and applying different things you know when you're

01:16:54.840 eating say if you eat rabbit how do you feel if you eat bison how do you feel if you eat fish

01:17:02.420 how do you feel um fish i probably wouldn't recommend um i tried because of histamine

01:17:08.500 yeah oh histamine yeah that's how i like how i got to the meat diet was taking extensive notes

01:17:15.140 about what happens when i do x it was awful because usually when i did x which was reintroducing a

01:17:20.980 food it'd take three weeks to recover it was like very slow process until i was just like okay

01:17:26.640 everything's out let's just start again at zero but then i haven't been able to get past zero

01:17:31.880 so i'm okay like i'm okay now the mold really did me in

01:17:35.740 yeah mold is mold is terrible terrible and let's hit that for a second but i i really want you to

01:17:42.560 um research the fut2 gene it's a secretor or non-secreter if you are genetically a non-secreter

01:17:51.180 then your ability to fight infections in your nose and your mouth um digestive system

01:17:58.100 is is reduced significantly so now you're more prone to infections and then there's a compound

01:18:06.260 out there a supplement which i tested for a long time not very well but it's because i also didn't

01:18:14.140 look for people but i also read the research no that's not right i i read facebook groups

01:18:21.680 and the fut um boards on facebook talking about this supplement called 2fl it's two apostrophe

01:18:31.780 capital f capital l it's like some crazy weird word of course um so there's 2fl and then there's a

01:18:41.080 l n m t or something like this it's a it's another um oligosaccharide that is commonly

01:18:50.000 found in breast milk so you naturally get 2fl high levels in breast milk if your mother is a

01:18:57.080 secretor oh your mom has to have the fut2 gene be as a secretor if she's a non-secreter you're also

01:19:06.120 not getting it cool okay so this is a really important gene to know about so one question

01:19:13.140 i had written down actually so say people are trying to they've got damaged guts or something's

01:19:17.640 going on how effective is either breast milk or raw milk in maybe overcoming pathogens in the gut

01:19:26.960 like can you just start again kind of yeah yeah so um i've been working really hard trying to

01:19:36.460 formulate a a gut supplement and it's very hard it's very difficult because everybody's different

01:19:43.060 I can't just target celiac or Crohn's or ulcerative colitis or what have you, because everybody will react to different things based upon their microbiome and other things.

01:19:52.000 I will say that I do know in the autism spectrum realm that a lot of parents find a lot of success from camel milk.

01:20:01.600 Yeah, I've heard that.

01:20:03.820 Yeah, right.

01:20:06.120 Interesting.

01:20:06.760 stay yeah camel milk is extremely expensive because camels have they their gestation period

01:20:14.720 i think is longer and they also have to have all their milk for their young for the most part they

01:20:22.580 can the the camel ranchers can only take a little bit per per pregnancy or not pregnancy but per 0.84

01:20:28.960 time the the baby is is feeding um so it's not like cattle that just mass produce it probably

01:20:35.200 with hormones as well yeah um so i don't do dairy from cows yeah um i'm goat i do go very very well

01:20:45.260 i do go cheese well i do go milk really well go yogurt i do so so but my gallbladder is similar

01:20:51.820 to yours i can't tolerate fat very well um and the first thing that i notice with fat intolerance is

01:20:58.340 not an altered digestion that's next um but it's it's heaviness and underneath my right rib cage

01:21:05.620 because that's where my liver and gallbladder is and yours too and everybody else's um and if you

01:21:10.420 if you grab your fingertips and um you kind of lean back and you you kind of dig like underneath

01:21:16.820 this this area right here okay so here's here's my ribs and you just put your fingers and you hook

01:21:23.980 underneath how does that feel does that feel okay or a little achy did you say left side or right

01:21:29.600 side right side try to relax your stomach and just try to curl underneath that lowest rib

01:21:36.960 I mean it's kind of uncomfortable but I feel like yeah it's probably more uncomfortable than the

01:21:42.760 other side yeah so if you go underneath your left side you know I don't really I'm tight over there

01:21:48.860 but I don't feel any discomfort at all yeah interesting it is more yeah there's more on that

01:21:53.300 side oh that's scary yeah so there's a um so i'll do i'll change this before i i go on another

01:22:02.060 tangent but camel milk would be my recommendation for if you're looking for a milk that is closest

01:22:09.500 to human milk camel milk is it i think goat milk is second cow milk is pretty far away from looking

01:22:17.360 like human milk in terms of the proteins um so that is why camel milk is so well tolerated because

01:22:23.280 it's very close to breast milk. Cool. Okay. Do you not drink dairy? Have you tried the I've

01:22:30.300 avoided dairy forever because it made my arthritis so bad and it was one of the worst foods I could

01:22:35.200 eat, but I never tried, you know, the A2 raw milk that everyone's talking about. I have. And? I have.

01:22:42.020 Not well? I still don't tolerate A2. Okay. I still don't tolerate raw either. Oh. I don't tolerate 1.00

01:22:49.540 raw milk i don't tolerate so i'll be more accurate i don't tolerate raw cow milk i don't tolerate

01:22:56.920 a2 cow milk um and what i notice is um i get a slight headache and i get a an earache in my

01:23:07.740 right ear um and then i it gets a fluid in my right ear it just it feels like i got water in

01:23:14.520 there and it pops wiggles um it moves around so that that is uh that's what happens to me when i

01:23:21.500 drink cow dairy of any type cheese milk yogurt um doesn't matter from from cows i want to let you

01:23:30.100 be the tester there i'm just going to avoid that but i drank it when i was a kid i drank a gallon

01:23:35.640 a day of cow milk when i was a kid no problems i ate wheat as a kid no problems well let me say i

01:23:43.840 i had a ton of histamine problems as a kid so maybe it was a problem but i didn't have the

01:23:49.520 the symptoms that i associate with gluten or cow dairy that i like i do now um and there was times

01:23:59.280 where when i went to russia my wife is russian and so we went to russia um i could eat their

01:24:06.060 uh wheat no problem and i ate the i drank the cow dairy products no problem and we got it in this

01:24:15.780 big glass jar um from the farmers over there and i had no issues with that either what how does that

01:24:22.820 make i hear that all the time from people going to italy being like i'm gluten intolerant here

01:24:27.620 but in italy i'm not or i can drink dairy there how does that make sense at all if it's not

01:24:33.040 the type of cow it's like the hormones industrialized farming what yeah industrialized

01:24:39.600 farming techniques here in the u.s are pretty pretty damning on our health um so i i would

01:24:45.560 say that's probably the the the biggest thing and plus we use we utilize chemicals and compounds and

01:24:51.580 processes that europe bans yeah right if i don't know if you've ever seen food babes posts on 0.69

01:24:57.360 yeah where she will compare the ingredients of skittles or frito-lays or doritos in europe

01:25:03.660 compared to us and granted they're still crap but they're cleaner crap in europe than they are here

01:25:09.720 um so but let me let me get to your your gallbladder again um they actually massage your 0.97

01:25:18.480 organs organ massage that sounds horrifying yeah it does um but it's extremely

01:25:26.300 uh effective so did it help uh yes big time and immediately what yeah dr aaron choy uh is the guy

01:25:37.500 who did it for me but basically what he did is um he really compressed me from uh front and back

01:25:43.900 and had me lean over and he came from behind me and he was working on my my gallbladder and liver

01:25:49.280 and he, he actually got his fingertips on the tip of my gallbladder. Um, and you can too, if you,

01:25:57.560 if you know how to do it, but you just, you have to relax and you, you dig down. If you, you know,

01:26:03.420 look at Google images and you can see where your gallbladder is in association with your, your

01:26:07.280 ribs. Um, but if it's extremely tender, don't do it. Um, and, um, um, but yeah, so he did it with

01:26:16.400 me and a little bit of tmi i had an amazing bowel movement after amazing um thank god not during

01:26:23.600 and um but i was interesting after he he compressed uh me from you know front to back like this he

01:26:31.940 was pushing really hard he's a pretty strong guy so he really compressed my side and he held me

01:26:38.440 like that so imagine your liver it's you know it's it's full of fluids and bloods and whatever else

01:26:44.700 and he compressed it and he kept it compressed for a little while and he maybe he compressed it

01:26:50.620 maybe let's say 20 25 and then he let go slowly really slowly he didn't just go like that he let

01:26:59.140 go slowly and i literally and he could also hear all sorts of gurgling going on so it it was like

01:27:10.360 he pushed a bunch of crap out of there and then slowly it just refilled with whatever goodness

01:27:17.660 that it needed to do and it felt so good in my right shoulder tightness this is really common

01:27:23.280 with gallbladder um i mean it's using mouse and as well at our desks but this is different this

01:27:30.820 is like a right shoulder pain um that is persistent and it's it can be worse when you eat fatty foods

01:27:37.720 because your gallbladder and your nerves are associated with right shoulder and it will

01:27:42.380 radiate it's called radiating pain um so when you work on your gallbladder that if your right

01:27:48.000 shoulder tightness goes away then you know it's right shoulder related and another thing that

01:27:53.720 you can do and something i actually recommend you to do is castor oil outside you ever done a castor

01:28:00.380 oil pack no okay so go to youtube type it castor oil pack look something with something with a lot

01:28:07.700 of views um and ideally a lot of comments and a lot of thumbs up um but basically the the castor

01:28:14.500 oil pack is you get castor oil from the pharmacy um and uh you get a a cloth that you don't care

01:28:23.500 about and you know you can get it maybe the size of you know your your uh soft part of your abdomen

01:28:31.140 and a couple ribs higher so it's kind of like a it's something you have hanging in your bathroom

01:28:35.940 for people to dry their hands but a little bit smaller than that um you soak it in castor oil

01:28:42.500 you lay it across your abdomen then unfortunately you get something like saran wrap or something

01:28:49.480 just to go around your to keep it tight around you and then you put on a garbage t-shirt the

01:28:56.380 shirt that you don't care about um and because that castor oil gets in your shirts and your

01:29:01.080 clothing and and it's just trashed um and then you just wear it um and i recommended this often

01:29:09.840 for people uh with chronic uh pain fibromyalgia irritable ibs symptoms and what have you um in

01:29:18.080 your situation, I'd highly recommend it as well. It just, it's such a really, really good

01:29:23.160 anti-inflammatory, however it works. I don't know the mechanisms behind it, but it's very,

01:29:28.620 very effective. And I was going to ask you, like, how can that possibly work? Is it specifically

01:29:32.840 castor oil or that's weird? Yes, specifically castor oil. And, you know, it's, you can do it

01:29:42.480 before bed but cuddling up next to your partner that's not really conducive towards wearing a

01:29:50.260 castor oil pack um so maybe just sitting at your desk during the day while you're working weird

01:29:55.820 okay um but also know that the the the time that your liver and gallbladder works according to

01:30:02.400 chinese medicine and maybe other things as well is very very early in the morning like one to three

01:30:07.740 one to four in the morning. So, you know, castor oil pack during the times of liver activity

01:30:12.840 would make sense. But again, I don't really know what that means. So if you're looking

01:30:18.260 for logical, couldn't explain it. Wow. Okay. Okay. I think I have one more. We could continue

01:30:24.580 talking forever, but I'm going to let you go. I've got one more, I think, applicable question

01:30:29.800 for people. If people have been exposed to something or they're worried that their system's

01:30:35.280 overloaded with something um what are detoxes you could pretty much recommend people try

01:30:41.480 great i'm glad you you loop this back in because um you know your exposure to mold is very very

01:30:49.060 significant people don't understand the gravity of how terrible mold is i didn't yeah it was bad

01:30:59.040 i was like mold is bad don't live in mold but i didn't realize like it could be anywhere and you

01:31:04.580 don't have to see it and what it could do yeah i mean the people that are are exposed persistently

01:31:10.980 with low levels of mold are not performing well they're sucking down caffeine they're they might

01:31:19.640 be on antidepressants they might be on anxiolytics they might be you know they're they're on meds of

01:31:25.620 some sort for a condition they think is something else but it's actually caused by the mold okay so

01:31:33.200 conventional medicine i respect it i love it for various things c-section is amazing

01:31:40.240 broken arms is amazing emergency surgery is amazing chronic disease they suck they suck

01:31:47.160 and they suck because if you think about what medications do i'm getting to your point here

01:31:53.340 in a second they they shut down exactly what the body is trying to do yeah anti-histamine

01:32:00.700 They shut down histamine.

01:32:01.960 They don't support histamine metabolism in any way.

01:32:04.980 All the antihistamine drug does

01:32:06.680 is prevent the docking of histamine to the receptor.

01:32:09.740 That's it.

01:32:10.880 The histamine is still circulating

01:32:12.340 in the same amounts all throughout your body.

01:32:15.380 Benadryl does nothing to your histamine levels.

01:32:17.480 It just docks to your histamine receptors

01:32:19.720 so the histamine can't get there.

01:32:22.700 That's all it does.

01:32:23.700 As soon as the Benadryl wears off,

01:32:25.640 hopefully your histamine-degrading genes

01:32:28.040 can process that histamine so the receptors aren't getting bombarded anymore but that's

01:32:33.720 all those do so it's anti-histamines antidepressants anxiolytics you break up anxiety

01:32:38.520 antibiotics everything's against the body naturopathic medicine functional medicine

01:32:44.560 is supporting the body it's nurturing the body okay so there are moments where you need to tell

01:32:50.980 your body calm the hell down benadryl is life-saving you know um you know inhalers life-saving during

01:32:59.000 the times of you know epi pens life-saving awesome um nitro same thing um but chronic persistent

01:33:08.300 issues like mold um i really want you to evaluate that there's a there's a book written by my

01:33:14.880 colleague somewhere in my shelf behind me called break the mold i believe i am very very simple

01:33:20.880 yes yes yes yeah great book very knowledgeable lady um um very practical of course she was

01:33:30.100 exposed to mold i think almost all of us were exposed to mold at some point unless you live

01:33:34.240 in a desert um or very very high up in the mountains which is also the desert essentially

01:33:39.440 um so detoxification is not something that you do once a year and you know oh it's spring i'm

01:33:49.620 gonna do a cleanse all right well that's that's great it's nice that you focus on it but i call

01:33:56.040 detoxing something that you're cleansing is something that you should be doing every day

01:33:59.460 and i i call it the abcs of clean jeans a is avoid avoidance is the best way to detox don't

01:34:07.220 get it in the first place um now granted that is an easy thing to say but i built my house

01:34:16.320 from the ground up with many many contractors and no other than me um but my drywall here

01:34:23.960 uh it's a special type of drywall that uh breaks down formaldehyde that's cool yeah

01:34:30.600 Yeah, my flooring in here is cork. All the furniture in this office is 100% wood. There's

01:34:37.600 no press board. I have 20 solar panels on my ceiling or my roof, but the wire is out of my

01:34:48.120 way because the magnetism, if you measured the wire coming from my solar panel with a magnetic

01:34:55.860 reader it's it's insane how high it is um so i would have had a headache from that and um so i

01:35:02.860 had that checked out so detoxification is an everyday thing and you want to mitigate as much

01:35:07.000 as possible we also breathe 11 000 liters of air every single day so you're you're breathing if

01:35:13.360 there's mycotoxins and mold in your environment you're breathing that in and your body has to do

01:35:18.000 something with it so every inhalation that you are doing you are stimulating your immune system

01:35:23.040 to fight a foreign object like mold spore or that mycotoxin is depleting you your essential

01:35:31.020 antioxidant called glutathione and so i would say the best thing to do for detoxification

01:35:39.060 outside of avoidance is sauna next thing after that i would say um don't overeat so eat until

01:35:50.340 you're 80% full. And I was reminded this the other day when I, uh, some other kid, um, got me and he's

01:35:58.020 like, Ben, are you full? I said, yeah, a hundred percent. He goes, you mean you're not 80%?

01:36:04.640 So, um, but yeah, don't eat until you're, you're just stuffed because now your body has to process

01:36:10.880 that. Um, carbohydrates go down these really reactive routes, um, called the polyol pathway

01:36:18.440 and the methylglyoxal pathway, they're very, very inflammatory. Um, so I think that's why a lot of

01:36:24.080 people feel better when they're on the carbohydrate, um, reduced diet or keto or, or, um, you know,

01:36:31.120 OMAD or, or carnivore or paleo, um, you know, or Mediterranean. I think just these types of

01:36:38.160 lifestyles are, are very conducive towards lower carbohydrate intake, which is a great way to,

01:36:43.160 to detox as well but sauna is very very important um it doesn't matter if it's infrared or what have

01:36:49.640 you just you just sweat so however you want to sweat hot bath epsom salt bath um putting on three

01:36:56.880 sweatshirts and going for a walk living in scottsdale in the summer and going outside for

01:37:01.240 10 minutes um you know it doesn't matter how you sweat if you don't sweat that's a sign that you

01:37:06.540 have a sympathetic nervous system toxicity, if you have an inability to sweat, you just need to

01:37:14.240 keep pushing through it and working with a doctor to help clean you out. Another one is to make sure

01:37:19.680 you have bowel movements every single day, at least one. Bowel movements need to be happening

01:37:24.040 every single day, formed in sync every single day. And they should not smell horribly terrible.

01:37:32.300 they should smell you know it's not gonna smell nice but they shouldn't be offensive and they

01:37:38.700 shouldn't float and they shouldn't be um you know all sorts of weird looking things in there

01:37:45.140 um the other one is glutathione glutathione though a lot of people react to it and um

01:37:53.040 so and they also talk they talk about anacetylcysteine as well so i want to hit that

01:37:59.500 really quickly, but I want to ask you, how do you do with glutathione and how do you get it?

01:38:05.220 Ivy? Okay. So I had my blood tested. My glutathione is at like, it is depressingly low. It's very

01:38:11.900 deficient. And so I was doing vitamin infusions because my vitamins got all out of whack and mold

01:38:17.780 too. I was doing vitamin infusions and I was doing a glutathione push at the end. And I think

01:38:23.100 it finally occurred to me that the push was too much. It made me feel way worse.

01:38:28.120 and so i've been considering going in and doing a drip just to see but i just stopped glutathione

01:38:34.660 entirely because i was doing pushes and it was like oh i'm reacting to glutathione but

01:38:38.920 my levels are really deficient so it was probably maybe an overload of something i'm not sure but

01:38:45.320 not well and i haven't tried anything orally because the oral you know supplements usually

01:38:51.380 have something that i react to so well and glutathione in your gut is a sulfur compound

01:38:57.440 and individuals who have gut issues react to sulfur okay no meat protein is sulfur too but

01:39:05.100 nowhere near uh vegetables and greens um so broccoli cauliflower otter chokes kale

01:39:12.960 um those types of things or onions garlic these things are all very very high in sulfur

01:39:18.680 and um so that and sulfur when you consume it there's there's a bacteria called hydrogen

01:39:26.520 sulfide producing bacteria and hydrogen sulfide producing bacteria are useful again for motility

01:39:32.240 and blood flow and circulation that's great but high levels of hydrogen sulfide will cause

01:39:36.760 inflammation they'll cause loose stools diarrhea um and um yeah you'll you'll actually you can you

01:39:44.080 can tell if someone is high hydrogen sulfide because you can smell it on their breath you

01:39:49.140 can smell in their armpits um if you oh i've smelled that not not on me so i don't think i

01:39:54.920 have that issue but that's the kind of garlic onion kind of body odor people can give off

01:40:01.740 body odor yep body odor and it can be out of their mouth so halitosis fancy word for bad breath

01:40:08.400 do you brush your teeth today yeah did you floss yeah get off my back he tongue scrape yeah i'd 0.67

01:40:14.400 scrape my tongue all right well your gut is a mess um and you're you're i mean if you think 0.85

01:40:20.880 about your mouth to your butt that's just one long pipe okay and there's a lot of twists and turns in 0.85

01:40:29.180 that pipe and a lot of different functions are happening in that pipe but it's a pipe and when

01:40:33.260 you breathe bad odors up and out even though you have really good oral hygiene that is a sign that

01:40:40.320 your gut health is is compromised and i would highly highly recommend supporting your your

01:40:45.800 liver and your gallbladder in that situation i really want you supporting your your gallbladder

01:40:50.500 but we need to do it in a way that's that's uh you know conducive towards where you are right

01:40:55.700 now castor oil packs is one way and that organ organ massage is going to be really really

01:41:00.540 important for you um and uh i think and then eating lower fatty foods but go back to your

01:41:08.600 your glutathione um glutathione the half-life half-life is is the term for how long a compound

01:41:17.160 is active in your body before it becomes damaged or has to be recycled glutathione's half-life is

01:41:23.320 12 minutes histamine is one minute oh it should be one minute it should be 12 minutes so someone

01:41:30.320 had an anaphylactic reaction let's say a shrimp or peanut butter or peanuts they they have an

01:41:37.660 asthma attack their throat swells they can't breathe you know they take the benadryl or

01:41:41.180 epi pen or whatever they do and um their inhaler and then they feel fine okay if you took their

01:41:47.600 blood histamine levels two minutes later it'd probably look normal so the histamine comes off

01:41:53.300 super fast and the body breaks it down super fast it should not always but so measuring blood

01:41:59.640 histamine levels in people is is not very useful um measuring urinary histamine levels can be

01:42:06.480 more useful um because urinary histamine can show histamine production through the microbiome

01:42:13.940 um which i think is more interesting but you can also absorb histamine from the gut into your blood

01:42:20.720 as well um but urinary histamine is probably more effective now back to glutathione um glutathione

01:42:28.100 side effects are very very real and i have a lot of health professionals on my butt about this

01:42:33.920 because they love their glutathione.

01:42:36.040 They love their glutathione pushes and IVs.

01:42:38.880 And they say patients do very, very well from it.

01:42:42.000 So I don't like you on the internet

01:42:43.600 talking about how bad glutathione is.

01:42:45.340 I said, look, I love glutathione.

01:42:46.900 I offer glutathione.

01:42:48.780 I take glutathione, but I also respect it.

01:42:51.940 And I know that there's a fine line

01:42:54.500 between benefit and problem.

01:42:58.540 So glutathione, here's my recommendation.

01:43:00.900 Take low amounts frequently.

01:43:02.620 pushes generally speaking if you feel great once if you go in again the likelihood of you feeling

01:43:11.600 great from the second or third push that you get from the iv very very low because you're depleting

01:43:17.400 your mollidinium stores you're you're depleting your um uh well you're not only depleting but

01:43:24.120 you're you're raising the glutathione levels up so much and your body makes glutathione from

01:43:28.860 from multiple things glutamate glycine and cysteine so if if you're receiving glutathione

01:43:38.200 from an iv then your body is going to be utilizing that glycine glutamate and cysteine in other ways

01:43:45.700 right because it doesn't need to make glutathione anymore so now it's going to divert those three

01:43:50.340 compounds somewhere else well glutamate is very excitatory yeah right so you're going to get

01:43:56.980 headaches you're going to get irritable and then the cysteine is going to convert to cysteine which

01:44:01.680 is very pro-inflammatory and it's also going to make sulfites so now you're going to have breathing

01:44:06.220 difficulties red rashes on your body you're going to have diarrhea loose stools um and uh that's no

01:44:13.840 fun um and glycine can can increase anxiety as well so and and what's going to happen is the

01:44:21.440 doctors and say, oh, these are just detox reactions. No, no, they're not. They're not

01:44:27.240 detox reactions at all. They are the result of you getting too much glutathione. And there's

01:44:32.580 research studies that show low glutathione levels increase glutamate excitotoxicity in your brain,

01:44:39.780 so you get irritable and headaches and so on. The perfect amount of glutathione, you don't have

01:44:45.040 this glutamate excitotoxicity. High levels of glutathione, you also have glutamate excitotoxicity.

01:44:50.780 ah okay so it's like the three bears you got to find that goldilocks spot with glutathione and so

01:44:57.900 and the compound of glutathione that you get is important so there's reduced glutathione and

01:45:03.360 there's s-acetyl glutathione you want s-acetyl glutathione um so my company used reduced

01:45:11.360 glutathione for for years because that was really the only glutathione that was available

01:45:15.780 and reduced glutathione means that's the glutathione that is ready to be used by your body

01:45:22.100 and it's it's good it's it's ready to go after glutathione does its job it becomes what's called

01:45:27.440 oxidized or damaged and damaged glutathione will give you side effects too so if you have a reduced

01:45:34.640 ability to recycle your your glutathione back from uh so you you take the glutathione push here's

01:45:40.180 another reason that doesn't work very well you take the glutathione you use the glutathione for

01:45:45.000 its beneficial outcomes to get the beneficial outcome. But now you have the damaged glutathione

01:45:50.160 and it's building up. Now you have more damaged glutathione in your body than you do good

01:45:55.140 glutathione. You do a lab test. The lab test shows, oh, your glutathione levels are higher.

01:46:00.700 That's good. No glutathione test on the market today shows you with credibility how much oxidized

01:46:09.360 or damaged glutathione you have to free and and and good glutathione levels none it's not possible

01:46:17.000 because the second you draw the blood out of the human body it's oxidized it's going to be damaged

01:46:22.480 it's exposed to air it's damaged so getting glutathione blood tests in my opinion even if

01:46:28.840 you get red blood cell glutathione is not that useful in terms of identifying if you have good

01:46:34.240 or damaged glutathione levels in your body so and vitamin b2 i.e riboflavin is is the compound that

01:46:41.440 helps your body recycle damaged into good and i cannot tell you how many people have low levels

01:46:46.300 of riboflavin a lot that was one thing that i had well vitamin b12 anyway were extremely high

01:46:55.840 your b12 yeah extremely high like weirdly high i think and then folate after being in that moldy

01:47:03.820 house very very low i started injecting though folate and so my levels are better i think that

01:47:10.360 helped me actually i think i could physically feel that oh yeah but it was weird to me that

01:47:15.000 b12 was so high and folate was so low well that's a whole nother ball of all of wax um they've done

01:47:22.020 research studies on pregnant women where they say if a pregnant woman has high b12 or high folate

01:47:28.740 levels their her risk of having a child with autism is significant and the rest that's the end

01:47:37.200 of the research and i say well is it because they're supplementing or is it because their

01:47:44.900 biochemical pathways are blocked from being able to utilize that b12 and and folate and also the

01:47:52.580 bacteria in your digestive system produce b12 and folate that show up on your lab result

01:47:58.620 right so um your bacteria in your gut can produce b12 it's not it's not human it you can't use it

01:48:06.800 physiologically it's not the right type of b12 but it can show up in your labs and affect your

01:48:12.700 results in fact that's actually one of the ways to identify SIBO from a high high b12 really

01:48:18.800 okay and would that show up along with low folate or is it generally high and high it can and it's

01:48:26.540 it's also it's called it can be potentially called methyl trapping because if you look on

01:48:32.420 your strategy and report we have the methylation pathway you have one circle on your left this is

01:48:37.000 a folate pathway then you have the methylation cycle and so this is your folate this is your

01:48:41.900 b12 and where they intersect is an area where b12 and folate are used at the same time if you're low

01:48:49.180 in glutathione right here where they intersect you can't use either of them and mold prevents

01:48:56.140 the utilization of that pathway from working because at this intersection even if you have

01:49:03.860 sufficient folate and b12 levels in the presence of low glutathione it won't spin it just stops

01:49:09.380 so um that's why detoxing and i mentioned glutathione being super super important that's

01:49:16.440 also why i dedicated more time to this conversation because i don't want everybody running out and

01:49:21.580 taking glutathione and getting headaches and irritable and and uh you know loose stools from

01:49:27.600 it and saying oh it's just a detox reaction use less and whatever suggested use it says on the

01:49:34.380 bottle it just means suggested use in order to define what the supplement facts serving size is

01:49:40.740 so if a liposomal glutathione says suggested use one teaspoon a day that one teaspoon provides

01:49:47.300 what's in the supplement facts panel, which is usually anywhere from 100 to 500 milligrams of

01:49:53.960 glutathione. And again, I don't want you using reduced glutathione in a liposome. I want you

01:49:59.100 using S-acetyl glutathione in a liposome because the S-acetyl is very, very stable. It's going to

01:50:05.220 keep it reduced until it gets in your digestive system. And that S-acetyl will get cut off and

01:50:10.160 you can use the glutathione again. And my own company used reduced glutathione for years. And

01:50:16.640 now um and and our as you'll see our one liposomal glutathione is s-acetyl there's other two that

01:50:23.840 we're we're transitioning out of but i do think some of the side effects that people get from

01:50:28.980 when they're supplementing with glutathione is because they're already getting it oxidized oh

01:50:33.640 like fish oil most fish oil on the market too it's just rancid fish oil in a capsule

01:50:40.440 now only take fish oil capsules do not take fish oil in a liquid because as soon as you open that

01:50:47.220 top and you have a jar of and i don't care if it tastes like strawberry yogurt or whatever

01:50:52.380 pina colada you know you see all these fish oils out there nowadays and gummies gummies are horrible

01:50:58.900 for fish oil as well because they're getting oxidized only inside of a capsule and they

01:51:04.440 should be certified by this organization called ifos which is like international fish oil something

01:51:10.780 or other and um so some of these certifications like dolphin safe can be nonsense um but the

01:51:18.200 ifos certification they test it for rancidity mercury levels uh stability and all that so you

01:51:25.040 want your fish oil ifos certified cool well ben i think i'm gonna let you go uh it's been that was

01:51:32.960 really informative it's crazy like i did so much research on diet and um i have i didn't finish a

01:51:39.780 university degree but i spent a number of years taking a biomedical science degree and reading

01:51:45.080 studies and trying to figure this out and i didn't realize how much my environment played a role

01:51:50.780 so i've been doing like you were talking about how your house is built and things and

01:51:54.540 my house isn't built like that but the next house maybe we'll use sire wall or something

01:52:00.600 but i've been doing like non-toxic furniture and i'm worried about like what the leather's

01:52:06.120 been dyed with when it comes into the house and it's just like it's a full-time job so i appreciate

01:52:13.220 you coming in yeah it is it's it's overwhelming and and uh another thing i want to say is is

01:52:19.360 as clean is the absence of smell yeah it's not the presence of a fragrance so dryer scented dryer

01:52:27.420 sheets or scented laundry detergent or scented soap for washing your dishes or scented anything

01:52:34.160 is is actually putting a burden on your body because a lot of these scents are full of phthalates

01:52:40.240 and they get right to your brain and they stay there um and so and your body has to process all

01:52:46.240 these toxic aldehydes so clean is the absence of smell it's not the presence of any smell whether

01:52:51.160 it's good or not febreze um you know it's horrible stuff um a lot of people get triggered from that

01:52:57.640 wet swifters too oh yeah swiffers swiffers yeah swiffers swiffers yep and they they uh good name

01:53:05.980 um they uh increase a mast cell um release any any fragrances release uh mast cell so it's

01:53:16.040 interesting when my oldest son would put on a cologne i just i'd first he would do it in my

01:53:21.960 in our home and i told him i don't want that in our house you wear it if you want that cologne

01:53:26.860 you you put it on self in your own car not not here and then sometimes he would just do it anyway

01:53:32.520 and i just turned into a rage monster yeah and um and i i actually think i turned into rage monster

01:53:39.020 once well partially because he disrespected the rules of the house secondly because he uh the the

01:53:45.900 compound release mast cells and too much histamine will increase irritability yeah that's my my

01:53:53.500 husband and i got married and he's got similar like some similar sensitivities and things he

01:53:57.980 was using like hairspray and cologne and i was like you're in for a surprise with me that's gotta

01:54:03.900 go here's some hair mud this is your new hair product there's no scent he's like oh michaela

01:54:09.320 like yeah well it's the fragrances are me yeah my aftershave is made by my wife it's it's uh

01:54:17.380 birch buds from a birch tree soaked in vodka um like a tincture a herbal tincture and then we

01:54:25.580 filter the the stuff after into a little spray bottle and it's i've been using that for 15 years

01:54:33.640 and just after I shave I just spray this birch bud vodka stuff on my face she loves it the smell

01:54:42.120 is very very subtle and it's just gone and um it's natural and it dries the skin it's great

01:54:48.860 for your skin and so I recommend birch bud aftershave I need to do that the the only thing

01:54:54.480 that Jordan has left he comes out of the bathroom sometimes like what did you do did you use a soap

01:54:59.980 like what's that spell and it's his aftershave i'm like okay that's gotta go and aftershaves

01:55:06.180 are turning him into more estrogen on the tissues and the other product properties so

01:55:12.920 just tell him that um so but you know it's even just getting vodka and putting vodka in a spray

01:55:19.100 bottle i could tolerate that yeah yeah yeah okay well um do you have websites you could lead people

01:55:28.660 to for people to find out more about the supplements and what you do yeah um so we did

01:55:35.280 talk about sauna so um if you go to seekinghealth.com like looking so seekinghealth.com and

01:55:44.060 then there's and then learn there's a category called learn you can click the how to sauna

01:55:48.580 there's a blurb in there how to sauna because if you sauna incorrectly you will get worse and i'm

01:55:53.740 just going to quickly say you have to sauna properly and it's not a marathon if you walk

01:55:57.860 into a sauna and you feel terrible get out don't don't force yourself to stay in a sauna the first

01:56:03.280 time i got in a sauna i could only literally stay in there for about 30 to 60 seconds and i felt

01:56:06.980 terrible i did a lot of roundup uh growing up as a kid and um second i got in that sauna it just

01:56:13.520 came from my tissues and into my blood and into my brain and i i felt awful um so don't ever ever

01:56:21.200 think you need to be manly and or womanly or whatever you want to call it in a in a sauna

01:56:26.280 second you feel like you're done you're done um so that's important so seeinghealth.com is the

01:56:33.660 supplements and educations if we're coming coming a health company strategy and our genetic report

01:56:38.300 is on there um that's what Michaela ran and then the histamine report isn't out yet but it's

01:56:44.020 interesting and it's it's also it's very interesting and i loved how you ended um in saying

01:56:49.900 that you know how much you respect the environment playing a role in your health because when you

01:56:55.940 look at your histamine report you know at some point you're going to see that histamine genetics

01:57:00.060 are not that significant um in your life but i'll say that report is made by me and my team

01:57:10.480 and we could be incorrect in some of our things that we're reporting they actually may be more

01:57:15.700 significant than what we're saying um so but time will only tell um instagram i'm on but i'm also

01:57:23.440 shadow man so you know but you can find me at dr ben lynch and uh i think those are the two spots

01:57:29.720 uh primarily i'm starting to get back on twitter slash x um but i i'm not really much of a twitter

01:57:36.840 user that's a very interesting environment yeah it's definitely interesting okay well thank you

01:57:43.240 very much for talking to me yeah keep me updated how you're improving and and uh focus on your uh

01:57:49.160 cephalic phase of eating and chewing and castor oil pack and getting that organ massage.

The Mikhaila Peterson Podcast - October 31, 2023

Detox Hacks, Histamine Intolerance, Genes and Toxic Substances in the Environment ｜ Dr. Ben Lynch

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