The Mikhaila Peterson Podcast - Detox Tricks： Parasites, Heavy Metals, Toxins ｜ Joshua Macin EP 230

00:00:00.000 I couldn't comprehend my own internal dialogue. It was just spinning, looping, negative, dark

00:00:05.380 thoughts. I actually had to file bankruptcy, spent every penny I had, went into debt, tried all the

00:00:09.680 supplements, yoga, mantras, meditations, therapists, fasting, juice fasting, water fasting, drinking my

00:00:16.300 own urine, literally just desperate to find something. I went deep. Once I started drinking

00:00:20.880 ayahuasca, I started viewing everything as a spiritual illness. I remember the very last

00:00:25.580 ceremony the shamans looked at me cerca de muerte basically I was I'm near to death and they looked

00:00:30.900 at me and laughed like si amigo and I realized holy shit this is not as spiritually complex as

00:00:36.300 I'm making it out to me I'm being poisoned every single day and that's when my my life changed what

00:00:40.880 I did to get well is I just said give me the solution I'm gonna do the solution I'm see how

00:00:44.620 I feel and I learned about my body that way I completely agree with that if testing worked

00:00:48.820 we wouldn't all be chronically ill.

00:00:54.420 Josh Mason, welcome to my podcast.

00:00:56.840 Good to be here.

00:00:57.740 This is very exciting.

00:00:59.080 I think we connected a couple of years ago

00:01:00.860 when I got really sick from mold

00:01:02.720 and was trying to figure out what was wrong with me.

00:01:04.920 And we had a couple of conversations

00:01:06.300 that were very interesting.

00:01:07.400 And I wanted to get a podcast in for a very long time.

00:01:10.240 So before we get into all the questions I have,

00:01:13.540 can you give a background about who you are,

00:01:17.160 what happened to you?

00:01:18.820 how you got to have a following about and talk about what you talk about, which is

00:01:23.720 interesting. Totally. Yeah. So, um, I basically had three different lifetimes in this life. I had

00:01:31.840 my life before illness. I had my illness and then I had life after illness and my life before

00:01:38.160 illness. I was traveling around the world, competing in Brazilian jujitsu. I was a world

00:01:42.020 champion, Pan American champion, super successful, um, at jujitsu, but I was also successful in my

00:01:47.780 career. Um, I was an analyst at several different companies working in finance and living in Lower

00:01:54.000 East Side. Like I thought I had it all. And I thought I had life figured out. And in October

00:01:59.740 of 2013, I hit that. What I now know is like the body burden point where I had a complete health

00:02:06.200 collapse. It was a major mental, physical, spiritual collapse that seemed like it was

00:02:12.240 overnight. It was about a two week period of time where I went from being that guy, whoever that

00:02:17.080 josh was for my first lifetime to like being in the fetal position crying unable to function

00:02:23.900 panic attacks not sleeping um hearing voices hearing all kinds of terrible negative voices

00:02:31.160 in my head um totally like totally not functional um i was panicking every single hour of the day

00:02:40.500 I was not sleeping. And that was just the start, right? That was just the start that went on for

00:02:49.160 four years. And for those four years, I basically lived in a 24 seven, maybe 21 seven, because I

00:02:56.620 slept for a couple hours a night state of pure terror. It's very hard to put into words if

00:03:02.080 someone hasn't dealt with it, but you essentially feel like you are tripping on acid, right? Like I

00:03:06.640 I wasn't taking any drugs, wasn't taking anything, wasn't altering my state, but I felt like I was

00:03:11.840 tripping on drugs every single day. I was just a walking panic attack. Um, I started losing

00:03:17.460 faculties. I started to not trust myself. I started to, uh, my, like the, the one narration

00:03:24.600 where my entire life before that I had like one or two voices in my head that were narrating my

00:03:28.940 life. It's, it splintered out into like five, six different voices. I mean, not like

00:03:35.540 schizophrenic voices but just like I couldn't comprehend my own internal dialogue my own

00:03:40.820 internal internal narration it was just spinning looping negative dark thoughts yeah okay you know

00:03:46.400 four years of that and doing everything I possibly could to heal I did ketamine IVs I did

00:03:54.500 a ton of mushrooms I lived in the Amazon jungle for almost a year and drank ayahuasca 31 times

00:04:00.640 Wow. So just, just smashed myself with ayahuasca and just kept going deeper and deeper and deeper. I was doing a dieta, which is like an apprenticeship with the shamans, which is the deepest, let's call it stage of, of ayahuasca. Like I wasn't just at a normal facility with other, you know, gringos. I was like isolated in the Amazon, only dealing with shamans who didn't speak English and isolated in a hut without human contact.

00:04:26.480 gosh and drinking drinking ayahuasca four times a week um and this was all with severe mold

00:04:34.520 mercury poisoning and lyme disease which i didn't know at the time so you you assumed it was

00:04:39.560 something like psychological burnout and you need to kind of get your mental faculties back

00:04:44.780 basically and so treated it that way initially the first way that i treated it was through

00:04:48.800 psychiatric medications that was the first step i was like that was the first four months i just

00:04:53.740 broke down on my parents and I was like I don't know what's going on I've lost control of my my

00:04:58.500 mind I've really lost control over whoever I thought I was and so I tried like seven eight

00:05:04.200 different psych medications none of them worked and I ended up flushing them cold turkey to go

00:05:09.320 fly to the Amazon that was probably a good decision not the cold turkey part not the cold

00:05:14.020 turkey part but then not continuing them and doing something else yeah so I was I was I was doing

00:05:19.300 research and, and, you know, learned about this ayahuasca thing and flew to the Amazon and I had

00:05:24.160 several visits after that. So once I started drinking ayahuasca, I started viewing my illness

00:05:29.960 differently, started viewing the world differently. And I started to view everything as a spiritual

00:05:34.100 illness. And that's why I was still on the path of ayahuasca because I thought it was

00:05:39.060 a spiritual emotional illness. I didn't even take into account toxicity. I didn't know anything

00:05:43.880 about that. That didn't exist in my world. Um, so it was purely to answer your question. It was

00:05:48.520 purely a function of, I feel spiritually sick. I feel emotionally sick. Something is wrong with

00:05:54.400 like my bloodline, like my family, like everything that's going on. You know, my grandparents had a

00:06:00.340 lot of certain illness and my parents had dealt with their, with their stuff. So I'm like, this

00:06:04.620 is just a bloodline thing and I'm going to purge it from my bloodline. Yeah. Okay. And that's been

00:06:08.140 there. Okay. Yeah. That was the, the space behind continuing to drink ayahuasca, even though it was

00:06:14.540 fracturing me totally and utterly fracturing me you're starting your own college yeah well it's

00:06:19.980 well started the progressives hope for universal education at something approximating zero cost

00:06:25.620 that's what we've got we can bring you the best lectures that you'll be able to get anywhere in

00:06:29.740 terms of their quality of content and also the production values all the people we're bringing

00:06:34.400 on board are existential philosophers in some real sense we think that a humanities education

00:06:39.940 could enrich your experience in every direction and be nothing but positive well except also

00:06:47.120 difficult and challenging but that's also positive yeah we surely didn't have that when i was a kid

00:06:51.680 this was 2016 i i finalized my my i remember very vividly it was my last ayahuasca ceremony

00:07:03.800 because we the shamans and i i nearly died in the ceremony i was 25 pounds underweight i was

00:07:09.480 fainting every day i was completely just emaciated and just at the end of my rope this was three and

00:07:15.540 a half years into it into into giving everything i had went was bankrupt so i actually had to file

00:07:20.180 bankruptcy spent every penny i had went into debt um tried all the supplements yoga mantras

00:07:26.800 meditations therapists all the different things for those four years it's not like i was just

00:07:31.200 drinking ayahuasca i was doing everything yeah um fasting juice fasting water fasting drinking my

00:07:38.760 urine like literally just desperate to find something i went deep right so yeah so i remember

00:07:45.180 the very last ceremony the shamans looked at me and we we said in spanish and they laughed we were

00:07:50.740 just like cerca de muerte you know and it's a very terrible spanish but um basically i was i'm near

00:07:57.020 to death and they looked at me and laughed like see amigo because they they laugh at everything

00:08:01.440 they're they don't they don't have the same moral overlay that that westerners do they're just like

00:08:07.880 oh, if he dies, he dies. Which is hard to believe, but that's the space they carried.

00:08:15.100 They were pure indigenous Shipibo shamans. Life and death is all connected to them.

00:08:20.540 So that was the second to last ceremony. And then the next day I drank a little teaspoon

00:08:24.580 and had another really bad experience. And then we said, I'm done. And I flew home and I was two

00:08:31.780 days away, three days away from going to Africa for my last chance at life to take Iboga.

00:08:37.880 I'm sure you've heard of people with last chance efforts with their psychological or addiction issues and they just go to go to Iboga and everything heals.

00:08:45.380 Yeah.

00:08:45.880 And so that was my last chance.

00:08:48.100 And I found out about mercury poisoning three days, two, three days before getting on that plane.

00:08:54.460 And that's when my life changed.

00:08:56.460 And I went into a total detoxification process, no more spiritual, even though I'm very spiritual now.

00:09:03.300 i put that aside and i realized holy shit after seeing my mercury results and seeing my lyme test

00:09:09.340 results and learning about all these physical ailments i've i've been poisoned this whole time

00:09:14.600 this is not as spiritually complex as i'm making it out to me i'm being poisoned every single day

00:09:20.460 i had mercury fillings oh my gosh okay yeah wow yeah so then did you end up doing chelation

00:09:28.220 oh yeah yeah but not first right so i was in such bad shape that i would eat a piece of spinach and

00:09:35.640 my belly would bloat a couple inches yeah i would drink water and my belly would bloat i couldn't

00:09:39.900 eat food i couldn't digest food i was throwing up my meals um i was literally just a walking

00:09:45.200 dead person this is gonna sound like i'm like making these symptoms up but you you know you

00:09:48.980 know them people listening to my podcast too when i slowly started like drag myself out of like

00:09:54.600 death I was like a walking dead person yeah like I looked at like that too like green and pale and

00:10:01.660 like zombie like like dragging yourself around so no no I I get it I have a photo of me for my

00:10:07.840 visa to go to Gabon uh I was yellow yeah I was literally yellow I used to be like yeah I don't

00:10:13.660 think I was yellow but I was I wasn't the color makeup could match it was like greenish it was

00:10:18.440 greenish. Yeah. So I was in such bad shape that there were so many secondary issues that were

00:10:24.400 caused by the heavy metals, by the mold and by the lime that I couldn't just go after those

00:10:30.740 culprits, if you will. I had to heal my mast cells. I had to heal my mucus membrane. I had to heal my

00:10:36.320 gut and I had to calm my nervous system down. I would never be able to handle like cilantro or

00:10:41.820 EDTA or any of the chelators out there. It would have put me in a hospital. Yeah. Just like

00:10:46.440 um like a nac or like vitamin c would have set me in a three four hour panic attack yeah sometimes

00:10:53.160 multiple day panic attack i've been near that for sure and my dad's been quite ill recently

00:11:00.020 and he's got like mass same kind of thing although we've ruled out we haven't ruled mold was a big

00:11:08.340 mold is a big problem there are some other things going on um and we ruled out heavy metals but it's

00:11:13.040 the same thing like your body can get to a point where you can't tolerate any of the treatments

00:11:17.100 yes and that i think that's part of the reason i got stuck on the meat diet was because it was like

00:11:21.060 i can't take any supplements like i can't do anything just gonna wait and then slowly things

00:11:27.040 kind of calm down but keep going i do want to get into like so you did you start with mast cell

00:11:32.900 stabilization absolutely yes so i started with um a very specific gut healing mast cell and binder

00:11:41.360 protocol. So the gut healing portion is the slippery elm bark, the glutamine, the butyric

00:11:47.740 acid. I was taking suppositories with probiotics in them. I was doing enemas with probiotics and

00:11:52.340 bone broth. I was doing all different kinds of acacia fiber and all different kinds of probiotics

00:12:01.240 and goat milk kefir. And I was literally taking 15 different gut healers in like one smoothie that

00:12:05.880 we now call the gut healing smoothie in my company because it's just this like massive

00:12:10.060 concoction of gut healing compounds. That's, that's incredible. And so I did that in conjunction

00:12:15.320 with ketotaphan. And so ketotaphan has been a game changer for like the success rate on that

00:12:23.080 stuff is insane when you, when you take it correctly. And I'm not a doctor and I'm not

00:12:26.440 recommending anyone do this without a doctor, but ketotaphan is a mass cell stabilizer. It's also

00:12:32.240 an antihistamine. And when you take it at the dose that Klinghart recommends and Dr. Mark Clark,

00:12:36.820 or actually Mark Clark is a pharmacist, not a doctor. It's one milligram, four times a day,

00:12:41.560 20 minutes before meals. And then after 60 days, you double the dose to two milligrams,

00:12:46.100 four times a day. And after that 60, 70 day mark, it starts working miracles on for me and for my

00:12:52.680 clients. And, and it's, it just calms down the whole nervous system. It allows you to be able

00:12:57.580 to tolerate foods again. It allows you to be able to eat different things, take different supplements.

00:13:01.560 And then binders were the magic for me. So I was, you know, cholestyramine, you know, all the,

00:13:06.540 you know, good binders as well, but I was taking like interus gel and micro silica and bamboo

00:13:12.200 charcoal and, and, um, uh, citrus pectin and, and like seven, eight different binders all in this

00:13:17.700 one big drink that I would blend, you know, shake up and drink in the, in the morning.

00:13:22.320 And so I was basically grabbing all the toxins that were floating around the gut that were

00:13:26.960 destroying my gut lining. I was healing the gut lining and I was telling the mast cells to go

00:13:33.280 quiet calm down it's not time like you don't have to react to spinach you don't have to react

00:13:38.980 to water to water yeah and then I went deep into parasite cleansing and released hundreds of worms

00:13:45.900 I photos of hundreds of worms right that's horrible yeah I okay so for me I did like my

00:13:54.020 journey was incredibly ill and then I went the dietary route and I calmed almost all of my

00:14:01.280 symptoms really all of my symptoms down for a period of time by just eating meat and was like

00:14:05.100 whoa this is amazing got off all the medications everything was great and then I moved into a

00:14:09.640 couple of moldy like fairly moldy places not visible mold but behind the drywall and just

00:14:14.640 and deteriorated brutally really rapidly so I think I was in a state where like I was fine

00:14:20.960 but any exposure was not going to be good which was why I like couldn't eat a carrot couldn't

00:14:27.080 have spinach i was like i could do meat unaged meat and that was about it um and then mold put

00:14:33.020 me over the edge and then i i um was connected with dr gabrielle lyon who worked with someone

00:14:40.480 who went overseas and came back and had parasites and was really sick and learned a bunch about

00:14:45.400 parasites didn't realize that they're rampant and that it's just as bad here as it is anywhere else

00:14:50.880 we're just told that it everyone here is clean which isn't true and we can't test for them

00:14:55.580 properly. No. How did you even find out you had parasites in the first place? Well, funnily

00:15:00.960 enough, I did a parasite stool test and it came back that I didn't have parasites. Yeah. And I

00:15:05.540 said, I don't really know about this. My gut is destroyed. Yeah. And I started doing essential

00:15:11.360 oil, not recommending this, essential oil suppositories. Oh my gosh. So I would make a

00:15:16.020 suppository. That's got to hurt, no? No. I mean, the slight burn. Depends what you use. I was using

00:15:21.100 garlic okay garlic essential oil is the smelliest thing you could ever imagine i was clearing hot

00:15:26.420 yoga classes like people would literally leave run away from me at hot yoga classes i believe that

00:15:30.560 yeah all right and so but the reason i was doing them was because after three days of doing them

00:15:36.060 i released a roundworm it would look like it was an earthworm i have a photo of it and when that

00:15:41.200 came out of me my entire paradigm changed uh yeah it would yes you'd be like okay well that's

00:15:47.120 probably not making me feel great that was the death that was in me that was death and i and i

00:15:52.660 finally had like an actual object to project onto and like that's the reason yeah um now granted of

00:15:59.800 course that's not the only reason but had you done a lot do you know where you picked them up had you

00:16:03.660 done a lot of traveling or anything overseas or do you think this was from just natural i think

00:16:08.680 overseas made it worse but i will tell you now i'm 10 years removed from illness yeah um it happens

00:16:16.740 here. Yeah. It happens here. It happens in restaurants. It happens with animals. It happens

00:16:21.740 because of door handles, toilet seats. Um, there's parasite eggs everywhere. It's on fruit. It's on

00:16:27.540 all different kinds of foods, pork. I don't eat pork anymore. An absolute no, no for me. Um, and

00:16:32.780 I don't eat fish. You know, I don't eat fish. I'm mostly, I mostly eat meat. Uh, I subscribe to a

00:16:37.680 similar diet. I also eat berries, meat, butter, eggs, and olive oil. It's basically all I eat.

00:16:43.380 okay um and that's how i perform at my absolute best i started not not to sidetrack you so i

00:16:49.780 started eating a few other things because i haven't been able to tolerate like blueberries

00:16:54.660 for instance i tried in 2020 i think it was 2020 and like it wasn't terrible but after two or three

00:17:02.440 weeks i was like oh i cannot do this and i started getting arthritis again and then i had a salad at

00:17:06.740 one point and it wasn't like this huge salad it was basically lettuce maybe a year later and i

00:17:11.780 was out for like two weeks I was like okay but then after mold treatment and parasite treatment

00:17:17.300 I was like maybe I'm less sensitive so I started incorporating in like pan-fried arugula with

00:17:23.800 tallow like that was pretty easy but I still think after doing that for it's been like a number of

00:17:30.520 months I think I still feel best just eating meat yeah yeah it makes sense right because of all the

00:17:36.740 inflammatory compounds yeah you know so so yeah the the roundworm came out and i said i'm going

00:17:41.740 all in into this and i released hundreds of worms hundreds there's something called the rope worm

00:17:47.300 which is i guess mainstream science can we'll just say that it's your intestinal lining but

00:17:52.840 i've been doing this for 10 years uh nine nine years i've had thousands of clients i've seen

00:17:58.340 a lot this is in my very strong firm opinion is not intestinal lining this is um this is a type

00:18:04.460 a parasite that is not tested it's not been scientifically proven or or you know understood

00:18:10.820 what it is but there's also tapeworms there's roundworms there's um you know there's liver

00:18:16.480 flukes and these things come out when you do the right parasite cleanse not the thing that you go

00:18:21.020 to cvs and you buy like wormwood and this and that you got to do it correctly and the correct

00:18:25.640 way to do it in my opinion not medically speaking i'm not a doctor is is um is the the suppositories

00:18:34.400 done correctly with like mimosa which mimosa pudica and also um there's some liposomal

00:18:41.500 formations i also really like ivermectin and fenbendazole did you did you end up taking that

00:18:45.420 yeah i did um the testing so i did more of a well so i got tested and then treated what they found

00:18:53.980 and i'm fully aware that like depending on the sample you send in maybe that doesn't show up in

00:18:58.980 that sample or maybe they're not even testing for the right one so that's not necessarily the best

00:19:02.640 way to do it because i like i don't trust parasite testing at all yeah after being tested negative

00:19:08.560 for like 10 years and then um my doctor ended up sending a stool sample to africa and to a

00:19:15.540 university in africa and a old school parasitologist that like just looks at the sample under a

00:19:21.040 microscope was like oh yeah you have all these things of course i was like yeah what so we're

00:19:26.120 running samples through computers and looking at pcr testing and everyone's just showing up

00:19:30.180 negative because our testing sucks that's really like future futuristic of us great amazing so um

00:19:36.800 anyway so i i did take i don't know if i did ivermectin in like the right dose or anything

00:19:44.160 um i did mabendazole mabendazole that one was one of them and then h pylori i think was what

00:19:51.580 was causing me the majority of my issues yeah and i had tested positive actually at low levels for

00:19:56.660 that for a long time but because i had no classic symptoms they were just like well ignore it even

00:20:02.300 though i couldn't eat anything yeah and then eventually um after i took i took prednisone

00:20:08.400 after i had an allergic reaction one time because i couldn't it was an anaphylactic reaction my body

00:20:12.840 wouldn't calm down so i was on prednisone for about a week and after that the h pylori like

00:20:16.940 shot up and then i had all the classic like burning symptoms it was like i think i'm gonna die

00:20:22.180 and so then i took antibiotics for that that made a huge difference so that and then some

00:20:27.320 some it was membenazole and i think that was the main one for parasites yeah that's the that's the

00:20:33.820 human approved one the fen some people use fenbenazole which is for animals um because it's

00:20:39.060 just hard to find a lot of this stuff through mainstream medicine yeah but yeah that's that's

00:20:43.640 a powerful that's a powerful one um and it wasn't even bad that was the thing like i've been so

00:20:49.140 avoidant of antibiotics and medications since i stopped taking medications like 10 years ago i was

00:20:54.380 like well antibiotics maybe that's what's made me sick i'm going to avoid any type of pharmaceutical

00:20:59.920 period unless i feel like i'm about to die and i finally got to that point was like okay give me

00:21:04.100 the antibiotics like i think i'm about to die i had the same paradigm yeah i had to shift i had

00:21:08.900 to shift too for sure and then the treatment i experienced anyway wasn't this horrifying

00:21:14.240 treatment I thought it was going to be. Like I thought if I take something, especially a

00:21:19.500 pharmaceutical, I'm going to feel terrible and it's going to hurt. And the H. pylori treatment

00:21:25.720 hurt a little bit, but the parasite treatment didn't hurt at all. I was just like, okay,

00:21:30.400 now I feel better. And that's probably because you were doing this anti-inflammatory diet. If

00:21:34.580 people off the street were to do it and they don't have their drainage pathways open and they have

00:21:38.080 leaky gut and they're eating inflammatory foods, I think it'll hurt. It hurts. Oh really? I'd also

00:21:43.040 been taking cholestyramine periodically for like a year and a half yeah and wasn't sick for mold

00:21:48.100 anymore or anything and then you're also with the cholestyramine you're grabbing onto all the die

00:21:52.040 off because when parasites die they release and i was taking i actually was taking a binder at the

00:21:57.200 same time yeah for fear of the die off yeah yeah that's that's key information for sure for sure

00:22:03.780 don't jump straight to doing a parasite cleanse seriously like unless you're in peak peak health

00:22:08.140 because when they die, they release ammonia and other gases.

00:22:12.260 And they also screw with your chemicals, right?

00:22:14.840 I wonder if the binder is what avoided that too.

00:22:17.260 Because I was worried.

00:22:18.060 I was like, I think this is going to be awful.

00:22:19.500 And it wasn't.

00:22:20.380 Yeah.

00:22:21.020 Colostarum is excellent.

00:22:22.140 What's really interesting about the human cell is that it's a problem.

00:22:25.380 There are forces behind the scenes that are moving you.

00:22:28.880 You have no idea what they are.

00:22:30.400 You'll find nihilists always break things down to their parts.

00:22:33.460 It's just electric currents going through some matter.

00:22:36.020 That's what thoughts are, right?

00:22:37.100 the secret to being miserable is to have the leisure to bother about whether you're happy or

00:22:42.060 not the west is struggling with issues around what it is to leave a meaningful life it is the

00:22:47.260 sense of being connected to something larger than oneself we tell a bit of a story about ourselves

00:22:52.460 if i tell myself a good story it's going to change me if i tell myself a bad story it's going to

00:22:56.620 change me so what's the story the bigger dragon you confront the more potential will be released

00:23:02.220 within you if you really threw yourself into the fray like wholeheartedly who knows who you could

00:23:07.000 become so did you you did mast cell stabilization then tackled parasites yeah there's the mast cells

00:23:21.000 the gut healing the binders all in this one six-month phase that was life-changing like i

00:23:25.380 came back to life basically i stopped having panic attacks in those six months i didn't even

00:23:29.420 get rid of any heavy metals i didn't dress the mold i didn't address the lime and i was actually

00:23:34.520 like functional that was just anything ketodafin i tried ketodafin uh-huh but not very much right

00:23:40.660 i tried the dose you told me to but i think i took one and it made me anxious and i was like

00:23:46.160 i don't want to do it the first couple weeks it gives a little bit of a creepy weird yeah that

00:23:52.660 and it can and you can you might feel really tired sometimes you can get anxious and tired

00:23:57.500 at the same time, that two-week period of time is an investment. Once that two-week time is done,

00:24:04.220 there is, and I say this for everyone, but like 95 out of 100 people will have zero symptoms

00:24:12.360 whatsoever from the ketodafin. It's non-toxic, non-addictive. And so it's that first couple

00:24:19.120 weeks that are really difficult for people. And I had to just push through. I was dying. So I was

00:24:24.320 just like, I don't care how I feel. And I slept through the first two weeks and I just slept and

00:24:29.140 slept and slept. And then I woke up and I was like, I was able to eat again. I wasn't throwing

00:24:33.000 up anymore. Yeah. That's crazy. But I didn't, when I was, it was very weird dreams and weird

00:24:37.920 thoughts and it was a weird feeling. So I could understand why you quit. Okay. But you got to

00:24:41.920 just push through it. Yeah. I know. I will at some point. Yeah. Okay. So parasites. Yeah. Then what?

00:24:48.920 so yes it was actually the the binders the gut healing all of that then i started to tackle the

00:24:54.600 parasites and i was taking liposomal formulas i was doing rectal suppositories i was doing coffee

00:25:00.560 enemas with uh parasite herbs which is a lot of fun and um and because by the way right when you

00:25:07.580 introduce things rectally basically it enters your blood via the portal vein and and crosses

00:25:12.280 the blood-brain barrier when you take a suppository so you're systemically killing parasites with this

00:25:17.400 stuff and i had to because i was so dead that oral things weren't working in the same way yeah

00:25:23.020 i had to hit things systemically um so i mean that's like you know ivs can do that as well but

00:25:30.360 but suppository is good so anyway how did you figure out what to use because i know like i've

00:25:35.000 talked about parasites a little bit on the internet since my since my experience but i did that

00:25:38.660 pharmaceutical route people are buying there's there's so many things i'm getting targeted them

00:25:43.100 for like ads on facebook yeah facebook knows what i want to see or meta knows what i want to see

00:25:48.380 but like how do you know what a legit parasite cleanse is as opposed to you know taking one of

00:25:54.520 the scams on the internet and by the way on the other scams there's two different companies that

00:25:58.620 ai'd my voice because i'm like known as the parasite guy on instagram they ai'd my voice

00:26:03.300 and they're having me talk about their product but yeah it's totally ai which is crazy side

00:26:08.040 yeah i know i know people have to be aware of that it's happening with it's happening

00:26:12.040 everywhere it looks pretty decent too yeah it's like well is that me i don't remember talking

00:26:16.960 about that you know um so anyway we shut them down so uh parasites well i was like an i was

00:26:23.480 like an alchemist i just tinkered my life was on the line there was very few people who i thought

00:26:28.460 could understand what i was going through and so i had a couple doctors i was talking to i had

00:26:32.300 another guy who had gone really really deep with detox and he had a blog um and he's disappeared

00:26:38.360 off the face of the earth I don't know where he went but but uh but I was kind of just learning

00:26:43.740 from all these different people and tinkering and exploring and experimenting and um you know

00:26:48.600 obviously being as safe as I can and starting with really really low dose of everything but I was a

00:26:54.300 guinea pig so why do coffee coffee animas actually do something oh yeah you've never done one no you

00:27:00.380 have to do that i've gone pretty far out there like i did i was talking about doing like fmt way

00:27:07.460 before people were talking about doing fmt and things but no i didn't get into the coffee it

00:27:11.920 makes you feel amazing why is that just caffeine though that you're absorbing it's different yeah

00:27:16.680 it's different so i by the way i have like super super wealthy clients who you'd never expect who

00:27:22.040 are doing coffee enemas you know who are like are anti anything like biohacking and they're like

00:27:26.940 coffee enemas four times a week. Um, so there's, it's, it's, what does it do other than give you

00:27:31.340 like, I can, I can see how it would give you an up just from absorbing caffeine. What does it do

00:27:36.720 other than that? It stimulates glutathione production. Okay. So it also, when you hold

00:27:42.440 the enema, the coffee enema, um, it stimulates glutathione production. It also strengthens

00:27:47.280 your peristalsis. So it actually is going to improve your bowel movements. If you just do

00:27:51.460 water enemas, it doesn't have the same effect. The coffee has this effect of, of stimulating

00:27:56.280 the peristalsis and strengthening it. You also... I suppose that's what happens when you drink

00:28:01.820 coffee, right? Yes, but it's totally different because coffee is acidic. And so when you take

00:28:08.020 the acidic coffee and it gets absorbed via the small intestine and the stomach, you get a massive

00:28:14.040 jitter and you pull from the adrenals. Coffee rectally has a totally different effect. It does

00:28:19.840 not give you the jitters, especially when you add a little salt to it. You're pretty good at

00:28:27.580 selling this. I've got to admit. You have to do it. You have to try it. Like all the people

00:28:31.780 watching should try it. It's such an amazing therapy. It clears your brain. It makes you feel

00:28:37.900 alert. It helps with your liver, like healing the liver and liver detoxification. And you can also

00:28:46.820 do really cool things to the coffee enema you can put herbs in it you know you can do different

00:28:51.520 things there's different um you can make you know ozone coffee enema for instance or other

00:28:56.120 oxidative treatments that kill parasites kill viruses kill lyme disease right via the portal

00:29:02.280 vein into the liver which is what is this portal vein it's basically a it's basically a in like an

00:29:09.120 artery or a vein that is that connects um your liver to the rest of your body and your blood and

00:29:15.940 your brain so it's like when you take things rectally it's supercharged taking an herb orally

00:29:22.700 versus taking an herb rectally is a completely different experience i mean i do believe that

00:29:27.760 yeah like i and i do and that that does make sense to me and you can take like for people who are

00:29:32.860 skeptical and listening you there's a number of medications that you can take especially for

00:29:37.480 babies or children exactly you can take rectally and it's absorbed and it's like kind of straight

00:29:43.840 into the blood as opposed to being digested that's it so like it is a way to take things

00:29:49.520 yeah and i'm not saying that you have to do this i'm just saying this is this was how i resurrected

00:29:54.940 myself yeah okay wow wild yeah okay so ketodafin or like mast cell stabilizing yeah then you

00:30:03.320 tackled the parasites yes then uh we did a um i did a lot of liver cleansing so liver purging

00:30:10.000 have you ever done a liver purge like andreas moritz purge no so it's basically this thing and

00:30:15.460 mainstream if i know a lot maybe some of your people are mainstream in the i doubt at this

00:30:19.820 point very scientifically oriented they probably will slam me and that's okay i'm okay i'm used to

00:30:24.860 that but so there's not a lot of true like scientific studies on those like liver stones

00:30:30.620 and gallstones but um i i've seen enough i've been around the block i've seen what happens when i do

00:30:36.840 these liver cleanses the mainstream science will say that it's the olive oil that like congeals

00:30:41.680 and turns into these green stones i just i just don't believe it i just don't buy that i've had

00:30:47.340 hundreds and hundreds of clients have life-changing experience from liver cleansing

00:30:51.100 and my own my own journey as well proved it and i released all these green liver stones and

00:30:57.160 gallstones during my liver purge okay so um i would use the andreas maritz liver purge this

00:31:04.500 was a genius doctor vibrating at such a high level filled with light he's passed on now but he was

00:31:10.420 radiating with light this guy you can you can look at him and he his thing was the liver is the most

00:31:17.440 important organ in the body and you have to purify and purge the liver because it's taking the

00:31:22.480 biggest burden from diet from toxins from our lifestyle can you explain to people who don't

00:31:27.380 know like so i learned a little bit about this once i started binders and then people were kind

00:31:32.680 of explaining like how you detoxify but so if you get exposed to like mold for example if you get

00:31:39.580 exposed to mold it's full mycotoxins the mycotoxins that you inhale and everything they get into your

00:31:44.100 blood they're stored in fat tissue and in order to get them fat out of fat tissue they go through

00:31:49.540 your liver right and then into bile and then you excrete that and if your liver is overwhelmed

00:31:56.560 like a couple of things happen one your fat won't release stored toxins so then you're just full of

00:32:02.780 them yeah and that this is actually that's more well known in in literature right but like what

00:32:08.340 happens when people get poisoned by something and like how it goes through the liver into

00:32:11.940 fatty liver is talked about commonly yeah which is a similar you know but basically yes it's you

00:32:18.360 become sluggish because your liver cannot purify your blood anymore it's like an it's like an oil

00:32:23.180 like in um like an oil filter in your car if you have an oil filter that's backed up for years and

00:32:28.840 years and years your oil in your gas you know you're going to burn through gasoline your everything

00:32:33.120 is going to get like sludgy that's the same thing that happens to our blood the blood gets very thick

00:32:38.560 and sludgy when someone's liver is not functioning properly when there's all kinds of different

00:32:42.920 fatty deposits and toxins stored in there and um and it's just it doesn't have enough breathing

00:32:49.020 room doesn't have enough space to do its job it's just overwhelmed that's wild yeah i and that so

00:32:55.060 i've had i've had so much blood work over the years and i know after a number of years of being

00:33:01.420 only eating meat i remember people commenting usually this was when i got sick from mold

00:33:06.620 actually i got sick from mold and i did eboo which is like a blood filter thing or ozone and so

00:33:12.080 you can like clearly see your blood and people have commented not to boast about this but that

00:33:17.560 my blood looks good or thinner than what they're seeing but not in a bad way and i remember at that

00:33:24.020 time being surprised that you could visually see the difference between people's blood yeah that

00:33:31.500 seems not like not great if you're like oh you have thick blood that's not good no it's not so

00:33:36.560 you think that's just from not being able to detoxify properly and then toxins build up or

00:33:41.160 something i think viral load also thickens the blood i think like spirochetes and viruses and

00:33:47.120 different pathogens uh thicken the blood i think diet thickens the blood one thing that changed my

00:33:52.160 life was getting really deep with diet and you did it yourself and with just going on meat um

00:33:58.380 i started diving really deep into um korean eight body types which is this theory that basically

00:34:04.160 there's eight different body types and everyone requires a different diet but i noticed and i'm

00:34:09.360 my body type is hepatonia and we thrive on meat right and i noticed when i would eat certain foods

00:34:15.640 I felt sluggish I felt thick I felt acidic like I could feel acidity in my saliva almost from

00:34:21.840 certain foods and so I do think that diet plays a huge role in blood as well and how someone you

00:34:28.220 know and the inflammation inside the blood and if people are eating like when I was a vegan I was

00:34:33.820 eating tons of nuts seeds beans grains all of the high lectin foods yeah they were inflaming the

00:34:40.180 crap out of me yeah and making me super sick and here I was thinking I was doing something healthy

00:34:45.620 so how did you do our castor oil packs and castor oils that's the thing i had someone else talk

00:34:52.060 about castor oil packs and i was like i don't i don't get it i didn't get too far into it on the

00:34:55.740 podcast i was like how can you put you can put castor oil on yourself yeah and then it absorbs

00:35:00.240 through your skin yes this is not the highest in my opinion it's not the number one technique it's

00:35:05.540 a good uh additional technique and we do even more fringe things are we gonna get banned on

00:35:10.960 youtube for this no i've got i've done worse probably so so i sometimes we use dmso with

00:35:16.920 the castor oil packs because the dmso will actually shoot the castor oil deeper through

00:35:21.740 through the skin and cross the blood rain barrier dmso we need to we need to pause and explain what

00:35:26.680 that is so i i think i actually learned to know i'd seen it online but then dad bought some because

00:35:34.020 he's been really sick so he's just like i don't try whatever and my mom started using it because

00:35:38.460 she had a scar she was using it on and it completely smoothed out her skin like what i

00:35:45.060 was like what's going on with your face are you wearing makeup like what's happening she's like

00:35:48.360 no i've been putting dmso on i was like is that okay like what are you doing um and then i tried

00:35:54.260 it and i i'm like weirdly sensitive to sulfur things so i did not i do not do that that did

00:36:02.320 not make me feel good did you use a cream or what did you do no like um the actual liquid but it

00:36:09.420 must have been uh diluted with diluted yeah okay yes so dmso is a solvent you never want to put

00:36:15.840 it directly on the skin dimethyl sulfoxide it will burn you'll get a chemical burn at 99 potency and

00:36:21.920 i've done it before as i said i'm a guinea pig i've made all the mistakes you will chemically

00:36:26.180 burn yourself when it's diluted with castor oil or if it's diluted in other carrier oils or creams

00:36:31.940 wow um it's really powerful and it's it basically whatever it touches whatever it's with it's

00:36:38.160 connected with whether it's an herb or a drug i even know there's drug addicts who use drugs

00:36:43.900 with the mso and put it on their skin to get high wow right just like drug some drug addicts use

00:36:49.160 things rectally yeah drug addicts are efficient yeah they know how to get the most out of the

00:36:54.420 drug yeah and they use sometimes they can use the mso sometimes they can use rectal you know via

00:36:58.820 rectal. And, and I've heard stories, direct stories from, cause I used to work with drug

00:37:02.780 addicts at a caddy yard. Um, there was all kind of heroin addicts and they would tell me these

00:37:07.240 crazy things. Um, long story short, um, I go into all these different tangents here, but, um,

00:37:15.800 DMSO is going to essentially shoot whatever you bring it with deeper into the skin and cross the

00:37:22.020 blood brain barrier. And it's going to penetrate deeper. You can tell that because when you put

00:37:27.820 it on your skin so this wasn't the 99 yeah this was like super super super watered down um but i

00:37:34.660 could taste it so like you put it on your skin and then you can taste it it's like whoa yes yeah

00:37:39.480 exactly so that's a castor oil is good the castor oil liver packs are good but what we like is we

00:37:45.020 like something called um zen cleanse forgive it's a enzyme-based liver cleanse and you consume

00:37:51.560 nothing but enzymes for about 24 hours and you purge the liver the night and gary brecca recommends

00:37:57.340 these products as well and certain uh dana white and raves about these products too um they're

00:38:03.340 legit i know the owner um and you drink olive oil with lemon uh at night and that forces the the

00:38:12.560 liver to basically punch out all of the stones that it's carrying or the sometimes the gallbladder

00:38:17.320 can be holding stones and the mainstream explanation for this is that the olive oil

00:38:21.260 it's the olive oil like congealed yeah that doesn't make sense it doesn't make any sense

00:38:24.880 It's like how fast do the stones come out?

00:38:26.480 Well, they come out the next morning.

00:38:27.660 Yeah, well then that doesn't...

00:38:28.400 But I've also tried every experiment

00:38:29.780 of mixing the olive oil,

00:38:30.980 letting it sit for weeks at a time.

00:38:32.280 I've tried to figure out mixing it with food,

00:38:33.980 mixing it with different fibers.

00:38:35.260 I've never been able to get a green stone.

00:38:37.840 I've never been able to do that.

00:38:39.000 Yeah.

00:38:39.520 Never.

00:38:40.760 Wow.

00:38:41.300 And then also the Moritz Cleanse.

00:38:43.580 So we use both.

00:38:44.460 We use the Andreas Moritz Cleanse.

00:38:45.680 We use the Zen Cleanse Liver.

00:38:47.160 The Moritz Cleanse is fantastic.

00:38:49.600 And it's a preparation phase

00:38:50.880 for about three, four days.

00:38:51.760 And then you do olive oil and liver.

00:38:53.480 uh sorry olive oil and lemon at night and then are you just in the bathroom for like a day you

00:38:57.520 go right in the bed you go right go right on the bed and you lay on your side and the next morning

00:39:02.120 you just punch out these these stones in a colander whoa yeah yeah and then how do you feel

00:39:11.080 after that lighter whoa lighter you know some another thing that i have in my head and none

00:39:18.720 of this is scientific evidence it's just i'm all i'm just a detox dude all right but the thing that

00:39:23.420 i have is uh i was drinking ayahuasca with a very well-known holistic psychiatrist he's very very

00:39:28.460 well known he's been on rogan he's been all over the place and i was drinking ayahuasca with him

00:39:32.400 and he was releasing liver stones just drinking ayahuasca big gallstones this big like a golf ball

00:39:39.480 no olive oil no lemon no liver flushing because ayahuasca purifies the body sometimes um so that

00:39:47.220 was another aha moment for me you know okay there's something here okay yeah and another

00:39:52.860 you know clue in the direction that it's not olive oil yeah exactly yeah wow that's weird

00:40:00.300 so okay back to castor oil I just have one more question about that why does that even do anything

00:40:04.760 what does it do what is castor oil from my understanding and it's not that thorough it's

00:40:10.520 there's a ricin it's like a slightly toxic compound that's in the castor oil when you

00:40:16.140 consume it orally, it's very, very toxic to parasites. Like parasites just, I've seen on

00:40:21.380 a microscope when you drop a drop of castor oil and parasite, parasite eggs and parasites just

00:40:26.360 like literally run away or die. They just get eviscerated. So it's a good parasite cleanse

00:40:31.700 done in the right dose. Um, and then on the skin, uh, it has a totally different effect,

00:40:37.740 you know, and it, but I don't actually understand it to be honest with you.

00:40:40.920 I had, okay, I'll have to ask. I think it was Ben Lynch on my podcast.

00:40:46.140 This was when I still wasn't feeling very good from mold.

00:40:48.480 So I was like, okay, how do I feel better?

00:40:49.880 And he was like, you need castor oil packs.

00:40:52.060 And then I never did one.

00:40:53.160 Yeah.

00:40:53.600 They're easy.

00:40:54.160 They're really easy.

00:40:54.240 I did other things, but not that.

00:40:55.920 Yeah.

00:40:56.220 Okay.

00:40:56.760 So then you cleanse the liver.

00:40:58.200 Then what?

00:41:00.600 Then we move to, sometimes people have a very intense viral load or mold toxicity.

00:41:07.380 So we address that.

00:41:08.580 So it's like Epstein-Barr and stuff?

00:41:10.080 Epstein-Barr and Lyme and, you know.

00:41:13.100 Yeah.

00:41:13.420 And all of this stuff that's plaguing people.

00:41:15.160 this stuff is is is nasty you know it's really hard um and you know there's you could see uh

00:41:21.780 chris williamson's making a bunch of videos recently about what he's going through you know

00:41:24.860 you know he's dealing with all kinds of viruses and pathogens and stuff like that yeah so it's

00:41:29.040 pretty full on that's also what happens when your immune system is dampened right yes i know i know

00:41:34.060 from my blood work from my dad's blood work like when he got really sick over the summer this was

00:41:38.620 after a couple of mold exposures his epstein bar numbers went through the roof yes and i was like

00:41:43.520 well that also can't be making you feel good but then it was like kind of a whole immune system

00:41:49.060 overload um and then i've had lime and i've never done anything other than like

00:41:56.640 what i've been doing and i don't know how much it's been actually plaguing me um i don't know

00:42:03.160 about epstein-barr numbers but that's pretty common for people whose immune systems are just

00:42:07.240 overrun right they're all all these organisms are opportunistic and a lot of people are exposed to

00:42:11.960 these viruses anyway but they don't end up with a like disease from them totally they can just

00:42:17.000 handle it and then when you get shut down you start getting overrun with parasites mold whatever

00:42:22.700 touches you basically yeah i think it's once people have a certain level of stress trauma

00:42:28.300 tension you know and that all this like the body just shuts down you know like my wife is like

00:42:34.900 she can handle anything you know like she just she probably has certain viruses or this or that 0.75

00:42:40.560 or certain parasites but she doesn't it doesn't phase her yeah it literally just doesn't phase

00:42:44.620 her meanwhile me you know I'm very very sensitive and I had a huge health collapse so I'll always

00:42:49.440 be sensitive do you think like getting back so you had mercury filling so obviously that's

00:42:55.280 and I ate sushi and I ate tuna fish like a lot I ate tuna like once a week uh that's enough to

00:43:01.360 matter oh my god what absolutely no one should be eating tuna fish no one should be eating tuna

00:43:08.960 fish. Do you eat tuna? I mean, I've only been eating meat for like eight years, but I ate

00:43:12.920 tuna before that. Uh, how do you feel about heavy metal testing? Do you think it's accurate or is

00:43:17.420 it, I mean, your test came back high, right? Yes. I had an HTMA hair test came back extremely off

00:43:23.740 the charts. The guy who ran the test, ran the test called me. I was like, dude, how are you even

00:43:27.120 alive? Um, and, but sometimes, cause for instance, the text, the test I did two months later did not

00:43:32.700 show the same levels because it's a, it's, it's, um, it's showing what you're excreting through

00:43:37.120 the hair so it can be majorly flawed yeah so if you're overrun and you're not detoxing then it's

00:43:42.320 not showing up that's the problem with mold urine tests too yes is if your body's overrun and you're

00:43:47.980 not peeing it out it doesn't show up exactly so those are kind of they're iffy 100 all of the

00:43:55.140 testing has major um you know just flaws all the testing can only can only do so much but then

00:44:04.640 are people like if people are chronically ill maybe not the average person but if they're

00:44:09.400 chronically ill and there's really no explanation then do you just recommend that they kind of go

00:44:14.480 through these list of things and treat all of them and just assume that there's a problem there

00:44:18.140 that's how we do it when we also like tests like we do like seeing certain lyme tests and certain

00:44:23.800 mthfr because that's a very real thing too the thyroid is so my i had severe hypothyroid in

00:44:29.800 conjunction with all of this yeah that's the emotional gland so that's why i was having so

00:44:33.520 many panic attacks and unable to catch my emotions what gland emotional thyroid is labeled the

00:44:39.360 emotional oh i thought this was a separate thing and i was like what that isn't that thing yeah

00:44:43.820 yeah yeah yeah so that when that's out of whack people are very emotional very emotionally unstable

00:44:50.080 when you have severe hypothyroidism like i did so um so that we need to see tests for that too

00:44:56.760 but in my opinion when someone is really really sick i'm like just do the solution and see how

00:45:05.040 you feel the solution isn't that bad solution is not that bad the solution is helpful regardless

00:45:09.980 of what your problem is because it's just helping an organ uh function better or it's killing

00:45:14.760 pathogens so i always just what i did to get well is i just said give me the solution i'm gonna do

00:45:21.280 the solution i'm gonna see how i feel yeah yeah and i learned about my body that way that's not

00:45:24.600 necessarily scientific i completely agree with that though like testing if testing worked

00:45:30.520 we wouldn't all be chronically ill so yeah like i agree you have these wealthy people who knew

00:45:37.300 exactly what would what was wrong with them and how to solve it it's not the case they go years

00:45:41.560 and spend hundreds of thousands of dollars and travel the world and see doctor after doctor after

00:45:45.840 doctor and still have no progress yeah so there's a flaw in our there's a flaw oh i agree so then

00:45:52.020 you know we we work with different um herbs there's different lime herbs there's different

00:45:57.340 mold herbs we use glutathione nebulizers glutathione nasal spray for people who have mold

00:46:02.300 those are fantastic you know how do you feel about the topical ones love it yeah and melatonin

00:46:07.980 topically love it melatonin glutathione insanely powerful for people with mold and and lime disease

00:46:13.400 and melatonin for helping sleep specifically or something those are the two master antioxidants

00:46:18.440 and they protect melatonin yeah melatonin and glutathione you got to check out um a guy named

00:46:23.680 um dr john laurents he wrote a book called the melatonin miracle okay i've heard of that book

00:46:29.480 yeah and he's in florida he's a genius is he the one that says that we've been dosing too high and

00:46:35.100 to take a low dose with melatonin yeah no he's the opposite really john well john has products

00:46:41.260 that have like you know 50 75 100 150 milligrams of melatonin okay right um and in his book from

00:46:50.260 what i read you know he's explaining that when you take it you know exogenously it doesn't it

00:46:54.980 doesn't affect your ability to produce it right um so that helped me tremendously and did you do

00:47:02.260 that i did everything i did skin cream i did it rectally i did it liposomaly and i mixed the two

00:47:07.400 together melatonin it makes me horrifyingly groggy and anxious in the morning that passes

00:47:11.440 that passes i'm hearing that a lot you're not you're not making it past the crucible

00:47:15.480 and you're giving up on really good something goes badly i'm like nope you know like eating

00:47:21.080 a food that doesn't go well i'm like okay i'll just stop eating it i think food you're you have

00:47:25.080 a right to do that i think treatments sometimes it's um i get that yeah i talked to i don't know

00:47:32.100 how you feel about this but dave asprey's really into itraconazole for mold exposures like if you

00:47:36.680 if you're still unbelievably sensitive to mold after you've been out of mold and you've taken

00:47:41.520 binders and all these things then maybe you need an actual antifungal that's his opinion anyway

00:47:46.260 yeah and he keeps telling me about it i'm like i don't i don't know i took that and it made me

00:47:50.360 feel bad so i stopped and he's like yeah that's because you need it i was like yeah well i i

00:47:55.900 understand that in theory but it's kind of like i think i learned a lot about herx reactions when i

00:48:02.600 was really sick before i got to the meat diet um i was trying to do a gut healing protocol without

00:48:07.860 getting as restrictive in my diet as i needed to be so i was doing i was doing it kind of like

00:48:13.680 what a someone who doesn't know what they're doing does which was overdosing on probably the

00:48:19.040 wrong probiotic and stuff like that and i was getting so sick and so insane and i remember

00:48:25.940 going online and reading people being like yeah that's the herx reaction like that's just die off

00:48:30.520 And then eventually you'll feel better.

00:48:31.980 Just keep going.

00:48:32.900 And I did keep going at one point and got worse and worse and worse and worse.

00:48:36.540 And eventually it was like, well, how do you tell the difference between a Herx reaction

00:48:39.240 or something that's making you feel bad?

00:48:42.320 Yes.

00:48:42.760 And then just I did anything that made me feel bad was just not good.

00:48:46.620 That's how I got.

00:48:47.520 No, that's I mean, there's wisdom in that.

00:48:49.620 And then it's it it might have, you know, a flaw in that model.

00:48:54.300 Right.

00:48:54.560 At some point, if there's something that creates instability, you know, maybe it's really,

00:48:59.460 really good for you.

00:49:00.020 but it's really tricky no it's really tricky well and i do understand like the ketodafin thing the

00:49:04.920 mast cell stabilizing theory is a good one i like that quite a bit i'm thinking part of the reason

00:49:11.580 my body calmed down and why i can tolerate some other foods now even though i think i'm still

00:49:17.060 sticking with the meat diet um i'm wondering if i just lived in a bubble for so long and like

00:49:22.420 eliminated so many variables like my air is hyper hyper clean and then I only ate meat

00:49:29.720 and then I wasn't on any medication and then I took a binder I did it just like I wasn't exposed

00:49:36.780 to anything that could cause inflammatory reactions for years by just basically living

00:49:42.000 in a bubble it was like did I maybe accidentally calm down some mast cells just by not exposing

00:49:48.460 them to anything that was causing inflammatory reactions. And then they just kind of recovered

00:49:52.320 because mast cells train new mast cells. That's what I've read about anyway, that they keep the

00:49:58.220 reason ketodafin works is because you calm them down for long enough that the new ones trained

00:50:04.580 aren't trained to have the same inflammatory response. Yes. So yeah, after, you know, we work

00:50:09.000 on the viruses and the pathogens, then at that final stage, and this is how it was for me as

00:50:14.020 well, the final stage, which could be six months later, four to six months later, then I was

00:50:19.220 chelating heavy metals. And then my, my lucidity went to a whole other dimension. Um, when I started

00:50:25.500 getting rid of the heavy metals and that's, that's a big can of worms there. There's so many different

00:50:29.520 things to take and so many different things to do. Um, for me, my best friends are wheatgrass

00:50:34.740 and cilantro, wheatgrass and cilantro. So cilantro, just the plant. Yeah. Juice, the fresh

00:50:40.260 juice of cilantro is a super food it's phenomenal yeah i do like cilantro yeah but you gotta be

00:50:49.040 why why does that work like a bind how does it work it basically signals to the cell to kick out

00:50:53.900 the heavy metal um so a chelator is essentially a compound that tells the cell to kick out the

00:51:01.220 mercury the aluminum whatever it is gadolinium things that could be in people's cell the cell

00:51:06.320 is holding onto it because it doesn't have enough minerals. So when a cell doesn't have enough

00:51:11.620 minerals, instead of taking a selenium, like a healthy cell, it just grabs onto the mercury

00:51:16.560 because there's mercury floating around in the blood. Right. And then you have a cell that's

00:51:20.720 holding on to a heavy metal and it will be sick for the rest of its life. That's why you need

00:51:25.400 chelation. That's why you need chelation. Yikes. You have to actually go into the cell and kick

00:51:30.440 out the heavy metals otherwise you have six cells and this is a it's a deep process you know and a

00:51:36.960 lot of people skip it or they don't believe in it but it's it's so important on the on the holistic

00:51:41.780 health journey well it's silly people don't believe in that out of everything we've talked

00:51:45.680 about because mercury poisoning is something everyone's heard of yeah mad hatter yeah all of

00:51:50.480 that yeah it's just like oh well we don't have exposures anymore but we do i mean you had fillings

00:51:54.820 yeah why i thought they stopped using mercury fillings a long time ago i had a 75 year old

00:52:00.320 dentist and this was when i was like 22 years old 21 years old this was maybe a year before i got

00:52:05.500 deathly ill and he said do you want the he said his exact words were do you want the cheap ones

00:52:12.340 or do you want the white ones i said what do you mean what's the difference he said well these are

00:52:16.740 just silver and they're cheap or i can give you the white ones i said i'll take the cheap ones i

00:52:20.420 was paying for it myself oh no and he drilled three massive massive mercury you know fillings

00:52:27.460 uh that definitely caused a big issue and how long did it take you to get sick after that do you

00:52:33.580 think i think it was a year i don't know the exact date i believe it was about a year

00:52:37.560 yeah that i had my collapse wow yeah could have been as much as two years yeah nobody out there

00:52:46.420 should be getting silver fillings yes and if you have them go to a biological dentist there's a

00:52:51.720 very specific technique they have to do certain things they use a dental dam they use an ionizer

00:52:55.760 and you know they should be registered with like dams uh the organization and uh and get them out

00:53:02.600 for sure get them out but don't just get them yeah if you get them out improperly then it can just

00:53:08.320 put mercury everywhere right oh yeah little fragments of mercury go everywhere vapor yeah

00:53:13.040 And vape. Yeah. So they do have a very specific, like, don't they have a vacuum and things to make sure the mercury like doesn't touch anything while they're taking it out of your mouth?

00:53:20.260 Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah.

00:53:22.240 Wow.

00:53:22.480 They will wear like complete, like hazardous material equipment. They'll have a vacuum, like an inch away from your mouth. They'll have an ionizer. And still it's, it's said that there's still some exposure to the dentist. Imagine just being an average Joe with mercury fillings, drinking hot tea every day. Like I was, I was doing a hot tea fasts. So I would do fast for 10, 12 days, only hot tea.

00:53:42.580 um while living in the amazon and uh hot beverages increase the amount of mercury vapor

00:53:48.860 yeah smoking mercury vaping mercury while drinking ayahuasca you know yeah just like

00:53:55.580 mercury ayahuasca yeah terrible awful oh my gosh yeah do you also tell people like so

00:54:04.580 after they go through what you said mast cells parasites liver viral load

00:54:10.480 it's four things and chelation yeah and chelation at the end do you tell like do you tell everyone

00:54:16.880 to do the chelation anyway hell yeah really yeah i mean is that bad for people say some form of it

00:54:22.960 even if it's just wheatgrass hey drink wheatgrass four times a week for a year watch how your life

00:54:29.100 changes oh that's it yeah i mean that's the most basic form we have all kinds of crazy stuff we do

00:54:34.280 with as you know up the bum right yeah there's different edta suppositories and there's different

00:54:39.460 compounds you know there's we there's things called um ameromide osr which is super powerful

00:54:45.760 mercury chelator um there's spirulina in high doses chlorella in high doses there's silica in

00:54:52.320 high doses which is going to help with the aluminum so the wheatgrass is like the most basic

00:54:56.520 but everyone should drink wheatgrass yeah for sure okay i had a weird reaction to so i did

00:55:01.180 for part of the surs treatment is a nasal spray because you can get a swab and a test to see if

00:55:07.300 you have something called marcons which is yes basically yeah treatment resistant bacteria yeah

00:55:12.180 in your nose yeah um and so i had that which is fairly common with stars and started the edta spray

00:55:18.920 and it was so strange it was edta and silver and was there something else i think it was just the

00:55:27.180 edta was it the marcons one and two was it two blue bottles that you were taking no okay just

00:55:31.560 one and it was mixed together so i think it was just edta and silver um so it's supposed to be

00:55:36.880 like pretty soft but what was interesting was all my mold toxicity symptoms came back when I started

00:55:42.680 it so I hadn't been exposed to mold but I started taking it um and the second day I thought I was

00:55:48.400 having an allergic reaction to something because I was like what is happening and I had like one

00:55:53.540 side of my body go weak and I was like limping around I had like neurological pain everywhere

00:55:57.440 and I was like whoa this is like when I got really sick in Miami but it's just from I guess

00:56:03.280 in theory breaking down biofilms the biofilms in my nose and being re-exposed to that poison

00:56:09.560 kind of edta pulling out metals out of your brain yeah i knew this is why i brought it up yes i was

00:56:14.320 like he's gonna oh for sure that edta is pulling metals out of your brain okay here's a metal

00:56:17.920 question i have a hip and ankle replacement okay this is probably why i've given up on like metal

00:56:23.240 so that's titanium but like titanium is generally generally okay i mean it's better than mercury

00:56:31.080 Yeah, there's ones that I believe they have some sort of nickel or chromium.

00:56:38.920 There's some compound, a nickel or cobalt or something, that can get very toxic.

00:56:45.520 The titanium ones, from all I learned from Dr. Klinghart and a couple other doctors, are very, very good.

00:56:50.980 Like, the best.

00:56:51.840 Well, I hope so, because that's what everyone's getting put in them now.

00:56:54.960 Yeah, it's pretty benign, and it's not going to leech.

00:56:59.560 you have to say that though otherwise i mean there's no other solution well yeah i mean right

00:57:05.480 yeah yeah i know i know no but i but i wouldn't i'm not just saying that okay it is truly like

00:57:11.840 when people are really scared of heavy metals the general thing as a company-wide and and from what

00:57:17.340 i've learned from really amazing doctors is just like don't alter that don't change that yeah yeah

00:57:21.920 for sure yeah okay so people do a gentle chelation or if you actually do testing and find something

00:57:26.900 and saying like your mercury story then you're like yes and we didn't finish the testing so

00:57:31.720 there's testing there's there's hair test which has its flaws there's a urine test which if you

00:57:36.800 don't take a oral chelator is completely flawed because heavy metals do not get stored in your

00:57:43.940 uh they they leave the blood they go to tissues and organs so if you're peeing you're just seeing

00:57:49.180 recent exposure then you have an oral chelation challenge test to get accurate tests that could

00:57:54.760 be dangerous someone like you would take a 24-hour key later you would not you would feel terrible

00:57:59.520 potentially or it could really fuck you up i mean so it's not it's not a good test for a lot of

00:58:04.340 people um and then there's something called an oligo scan which uses light therapy like a light

00:58:09.940 device to measure in your hand um but every single device and test has flaws you know but you can get

00:58:16.980 a general understanding there's also like quicksilver has a mercury tri-test and all this

00:58:20.980 stuff yeah i think i've heard of that general general understanding but my vision is everyone

00:58:26.800 is has medals everyone yeah okay that's what i could probably get behind that it's not just

00:58:32.160 convenient for my business no no but but just like part of the protocol is just treating that

00:58:37.320 even if it's a gentle version because you just assume everyone's exposed exactly yeah okay that

00:58:42.600 makes sense so then is that it no no well there's spiritual emotional components yeah okay for sure

00:58:48.840 a spiritual emotional and trauma stress tension and all different kinds of things that um you know

00:58:54.300 can be messing the this vehicle up you know because i mean that's a huge subject you know

00:59:00.500 but i don't know how far down that rabbit hole that's a huge subject on it on its own if you

00:59:04.600 had to like blame one thing i mean i guess for you it was mercury that really put you over the edge

00:59:09.660 but like for the average client i guess you see is there a pattern you see with all of them

00:59:15.440 i like i've gone down the trauma route a bunch but i also assume everybody has stress so you

00:59:25.000 can't just be like well that's the problem because we have new chronic illnesses that

00:59:29.220 weren't around at least in the numbers we see them yeah 40 or 50 or 60 years ago or 100 years

00:59:35.180 ago and people were definitely not less stressed than you would think you know because they'd have

00:59:40.280 to deal with like siblings dying and like actual death and wars and stuff. I have a theory about

00:59:46.320 this. So there's a gentleman named Samuel Sagan, Dr. Samuel Sagan. He's passed on now. He's the

00:59:52.020 founder of the Claire Vision School. And he described this something called astrality.

00:59:57.720 Okay. And so the opposite of astrality is like the, the etheric. And to explain it briefly,

01:00:02.520 you have the etheric, which is the, the human body, the immediate surroundings, the trees,

01:00:08.460 the nature, the ocean, um, just your immediate surroundings. We used to navigate the world

01:00:13.580 through a compass or sailors would look at the sky and the clouds and they would understand

01:00:18.360 what's going on because they had a direct relationship to their etheric environment,

01:00:22.200 their, their chi, their, their immediate surroundings. Does that make sense so far?

01:00:26.320 Yes. Like physical surroundings, physical surroundings and the relationship to it.

01:00:31.240 Right. So like, for instance, I can't get anywhere without a GPS. That's, that's not how

01:00:36.640 times used to be. People would wake up, they'd milk the cows, they'd have an etheric experience

01:00:42.220 with their environment. Now everything is astral, digital, and we're being slapped with this digital

01:00:48.180 energy and it's frying the nervous system. I've seen this in my own life. And so when we talk

01:00:54.940 about stress, trauma, tension, all that, really what I see is that people are fried with digital

01:01:00.040 energy. Their nervous system is responding as if it's right in their face, like they're being

01:01:04.320 slapped by it the nervous system responds in a certain way and it threatens the the system and

01:01:09.640 it creates a level of fight or flight and everything is astral people are overwhelmed

01:01:13.680 yeah phones everything and i think it's the the i don't think the body has caught up to it

01:01:19.180 yeah i i hate that i like i i don't like hearing that at all but i i think you're right i've

01:01:25.760 noticed and i was wondering if i'd i'd been doing too much work on my phone or i'd got too much bad

01:01:30.800 news especially from my dad being six every time i looked at my phone and be like ah um but i know

01:01:37.700 that when i turn my phone on airplane mode and it's not just because oh there's no signal or

01:01:41.360 something going there it's i get this like relief oh like airplane mode i'm like oh yes you know

01:01:48.440 like no one can contact me everything's okay and then when i turn it on in the morning it's just

01:01:52.620 like oh no it's back it's like a coffee like do i need to get rid of my phone like what do i do

01:01:57.980 but yeah we're just not not built for i mean i get it not built i don't think we've evolved to

01:02:04.740 just handle it well we haven't evolved at all really so yeah it's no wonder we can't handle

01:02:10.100 it but then what so then what what are people supposed to do because it's just going to get

01:02:14.420 worse 100 it's getting worse and samuel would say like astrality is the number one of the main

01:02:21.680 causes of all disease right or one of the most common causes of all disease is something he used

01:02:26.420 to say in some of his books. But the solution is not to get rid of the astrology, but to develop

01:02:33.060 a more conscious relationship to the interface. So that interface of like, if you've ever had an

01:02:39.060 etheric experience, it's when you feel just comfortable in your skin, calm, clear headed,

01:02:45.880 there's love, there's like a quietness in the heart. And this is what, you know, people will

01:02:51.500 go on like meditation retreats to feel this but that feeling in my opinion has to be the north

01:02:57.460 star and then yeah from that place you operate in the astrology but you you're you're not swimming

01:03:04.360 mindlessly in it you're it's like say they say to be in the world but not of the world so it's like

01:03:09.460 you navigate in there and you but you're touching it you're dancing with it because life's really

01:03:13.920 boring when you don't do that right and we both have online businesses and followers and all this

01:03:18.080 so like hell yeah let's keep going but then taking a moment every single day or at least an hour

01:03:24.400 every single day to come back to the etheric because the astrality can feel like a disease

01:03:29.160 i have noticed if i do like five zoom calls i will feel like i have a disease like i will feel

01:03:35.220 heavy headache achy joints and i'm like oh my god is this the mold is this a lot i know i come back

01:03:41.160 to my etheric i go for a walk i i meditate i breathe i clear all that astrality out and i'm

01:03:46.980 I'm a hundred percent back to myself. So I'm smiling at the words because I still think the

01:03:52.140 words are funny, but I'm completely following. I'm completely following and I agree. I like,

01:03:57.600 let's change the words. We can say, we can say like outer, outer success in the digital world

01:04:03.020 and then like inner wellbeing. Okay. Okay. Is that better? I like that. Um, I know like a number

01:04:08.300 of high performers that have gotten weirdly sick and I, you know, at some point you're like, well,

01:04:15.780 is it burnout? And then like, what exactly is burnout and what's the solution? And I was just

01:04:20.640 having a conversation. I was like, well, if you're not going to the bed at the right hour

01:04:25.180 at the same time every night, and if you're not getting up and going outside and seeing sun,

01:04:30.620 and if you're on stimulants or something, that's probably enough. Oh, and if you're eating poorly,

01:04:38.520 those four things and not exercising. Okay. Those five things. If you're doing those things,

01:04:42.560 let's see even regardless of the stimulants obviously you're gonna feel diseased like even

01:04:48.180 just not sleeping and i think it's okay maybe when you're a teenager or in your early 20s

01:04:54.840 but as soon as you get to like late 20s or up if you're not sleeping and you're not exercising and

01:04:59.880 you're not going outside like make sure you're doing all those things before you're like i'm

01:05:04.740 diseased 100 and i mean i'm completely guilty of that because i'll get overwhelmed with work

01:05:10.640 or like life or family problems or whatever and be like oh i haven't been outside in a couple days

01:05:19.000 because i probably don't feel that when you're stimulated when you're stimulated all that stuff

01:05:23.240 feels boring you know i know i need a dopamine detox like for sure it's a total illusion though

01:05:28.940 it's a trap yeah i know the trap very well so you just you just have to distance yourself from it

01:05:34.860 be more disciplined don't fall into the dopamine scroll cycle i just like to realize that no matter

01:05:41.420 what changes in my outside success the only thing that matters like when my head hits the pillow at

01:05:46.560 night it's like it's me my wife my kid and like my body like my me and my body and my mind like

01:05:52.700 all that outside circling swimming shit of like success and money and this and that it's like okay

01:05:58.900 i'm really glad that i'm winning but i cannot identify with that i can't be attached to that

01:06:04.520 as my identity like my identity has to be more grounded you know and that that helps me clear

01:06:09.280 the astrality it's like coming back to ground that makes sense yeah but i wanted to say one

01:06:14.860 thing about stimulants because so many high performers are doing adderall or modafinil or

01:06:21.780 coffee and i have observed that that is borrowing tomorrow's energy for today that's all it is just

01:06:27.360 had this conversation i was like if you're on like i know a bunch of people on adderall

01:06:31.480 and some other stimulants at the same time i'm like if you don't feel good and you're taking

01:06:35.900 those three things where is that energy coming from exactly you're doing that every day like

01:06:40.140 oh i'm full of energy now you're not you can't make energy out of nothing something is like

01:06:45.460 wasting away pulling to give you that or you're burning out your dopamine or but i don't think

01:06:51.960 it's probably that simple there's probably physical things that are being damaged when

01:06:55.620 you're like when you really need to sleep for a little bit or like take some time and breathe you

01:07:01.640 know you're pulling from the res the the reserve tank you pull from the organs pulling that energy

01:07:07.280 making fabricating that energy today and then tomorrow you're screwed and then people just

01:07:12.100 keep doing it keep doing it they might make a lot of money they destroy their health right this is

01:07:17.620 the era right now where people are going for fame and money and sacrificing their health for for

01:07:22.060 those two and it doesn't have to be that way that was amazing that story's crazy yeah um i can see

01:07:29.560 why you get some skepticism online but and i would never i wouldn't have even had this conversation

01:07:34.260 i think four years ago then when i got hit with mold i was like i didn't know the air could be

01:07:39.700 poisoned so that changed some things and then and then the parasite and i was like oh man this is

01:07:45.580 something i would have been so skeptical about then when you think about it you're like no what's

01:07:49.600 more likely all the third world countries have them but they're the dirty people yeah and we're

01:07:55.460 just cleaner than them or we don't know how to test properly because our medical system is broken

01:08:00.560 right like which one's actually more likely so actually last question yeah um so do you do

01:08:07.560 parasite cleanses like yearly or something like they do in other countries i do a castor oil

01:08:12.480 flush once a month okay um which for me basically takes care of all of the parasites i i don't have

01:08:18.520 any replication. I can feel when they're replicating. My, my diet will, my cravings

01:08:22.960 will change. Um, and I will start craving sugar. So if I travel and I travel for about two, three

01:08:30.160 weeks and I don't do a castor oil flush and I eat a lot of restaurant food, I will start waking up

01:08:35.340 feeling like so hungry when I wake up and feeling like I'm craving sugar. And that's how I know that

01:08:40.460 the bugs are replicating. And so that's when I'll do a castor oil flush, boom, it's gone.

01:08:44.240 completely and is that orally that's orally that's a controversial treatment so that's just something

01:08:49.520 i do okay there's other things you can do but i do believe that parasite cleanses should be done

01:08:54.380 a minimum of two times per year okay even if it's just for like 14 days you know um but but yeah i

01:09:01.420 do believe they should be to be done twice a year and a lot of chinese medicine doctors and other

01:09:06.500 uh you know ancient traditions will will say the same thing no i think it's i don't know if it's

01:09:11.820 twice a year or yearly and in most third world countries but it's at least annually annually

01:09:17.240 yeah in india and in mexico they use ivermectin all kinds of different stuff in mexico um there's

01:09:23.700 a lot of countries that you that have a direct protocol you know for their kids and stuff like

01:09:28.420 that yeah that makes sense i just can't believe our testing is so poor here like that was shocking

01:09:34.800 to me because the most obvious like when i stopped being able to eat anything the most obvious

01:09:39.640 explanation for me that i went to very quickly was maybe i have parasites because that just seems

01:09:43.600 like if i'm eating carrots and it's making me very sick maybe there's something like in my gut that's

01:09:49.480 making me sick and then i went to a whole bunch of like the medical the mainstream medical system

01:09:54.400 obviously and then i went to naturopaths to do like more in-depth testing and things but nothing

01:09:59.440 caught anything until they sent a sample to africa to do the kind of testing we did in like the 70s

01:10:04.620 and 80s that we don't do anymore just look at the eggs you can just see the eggs in your stool yeah

01:10:08.920 it was like what yeah that's so disappointing yeah after like eight years of only eating meat

01:10:15.300 like yeah we just aren't testing properly sorry yeah anyway where can people find you online

01:10:21.360 uh so instagram at joshua mason and then youtube at joshua mason um and uh the detox dudes is the

01:10:29.560 name of my company instagram youtube facebook the detox dudes uh i'll share you i'll share the

01:10:35.000 links maybe yeah i'll link them in the description and um below on youtube that was interesting that

01:10:41.240 was very interesting anyway good job for you figuring all that out because yeah definitely

01:10:45.140 isn't intuitive exactly well no it's only intuitive for me it's not logical for me it's been a massive

01:10:51.000 intuitive process it's kind of logical as well once you get past the skepticism right right but

01:10:56.280 yeah yeah cool well thank you for coming on again thank you for having me

The Mikhaila Peterson Podcast - April 01, 2026

Detox Tricks： Parasites, Heavy Metals, Toxins ｜ Joshua Macin EP 230

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