The Mikhaila Peterson Podcast - 'Detransitioned' Navy SEAL Opens Up About Gender Dysphoria ｜ Chris Beck EP 175

00:00:00.000 Why did you decide to detransition?

00:00:02.860 Was there something that happened?

00:00:04.440 Um.

00:00:05.240 I don't know that much about gender dysphoria,

00:00:08.200 to tell you the truth.

00:00:09.380 I don't either.

00:00:11.300 Nobody does.

00:00:12.500 That's what I'm trying to say is nobody does.

00:00:14.600 If we knew what gender identity disorder was,

00:00:16.620 we wouldn't be doing surgery on kids.

00:00:24.640 Chris Beck, welcome to my podcast.

00:00:26.680 I'm glad to have you on here.

00:00:28.320 Thank you.

00:00:30.000 Can we start off by you giving a brief background about who you are and what it is you do and a little bit about what you've been through?

00:00:39.760 Okay. Well, my name is Chris Beck. I'm known as a Navy SEAL. Actually, originally, I was known as a Navy SEAL, and that was about it.

00:00:46.980 And then after I retired in 2011, I started feeling things that made me want to change my life a bit.

00:00:58.360 And then in 2013-14 time frame, I came out as transgender.

00:01:04.660 And I lived that way for quite a while.

00:01:08.580 And I say I lived that way as a past tense, which isn't really proper,

00:01:12.340 because I think that's the misconception a lot of people don't know,

00:01:17.000 is that transgender, it's not transgender, it's gender identity disorder.

00:01:22.520 And that's something that I had, and I think a lot of folks have it,

00:01:26.580 except that mine was possibly a little bit extreme because of whatever reasons.

00:01:31.100 And then I also, I was retired, and I was at that point in my life

00:01:35.060 where I was like, I don't care anymore, you know?

00:01:37.560 And then I came out as Kristen, and they made a movie on CNN about it,

00:01:43.800 and then everything just went off the hook after that.

00:01:47.000 I went on a lot of news programs, and all kinds of things started happening.

00:01:51.660 It was like the floodgates opened up.

00:01:53.100 As soon as you go on one episode, it just goes wild.

00:01:56.580 and uh and now in you know this year I announced publicly that I was detransitioning and I was

00:02:03.780 already and I don't the word detransition I'd love to talk about that also because that's just

00:02:08.340 a ridiculous word but um I I started trying to go back to who I really was I tried to I tried to

00:02:16.100 figure out what was wrong and I had to do this all on my own because I had no help doing this

00:02:20.500 I asked for psychological help you know in different ways and I almost felt like the

00:02:25.560 psychological community is is like a is on a track and I don't understand it and so anything

00:02:31.740 that was wrong with me they would just keep going back to transgender or saying something about

00:02:34.860 identity and all this stuff and so that's when I started really digging into like Carl Young and a

00:02:39.540 whole bunch of other books and and Jordan Peterson as a matter of fact I didn't know you were his

00:02:43.760 daughter when I first said yes to your podcast but I uh that's cool I just well that's a whole

00:02:50.760 another story i don't so i i just i feel that i had to do it on my own because i didn't have any

00:02:58.120 help because it seemed like it was such it was propaganda the problem i see right now is and

00:03:03.120 it's the same problem we have with everything in life it becomes political it becomes binary it

00:03:08.720 becomes well actually binary is not that big of a deal when you're talking about people but that's

00:03:12.680 another little joke in there but the uh the it's a i would just say a high galen dialectic you know

00:03:19.600 it's like they always want us to fight they want us to be in this camp and that camp if you're in

00:03:23.520 the middle they get mad at you and then they try to force you on the one end or the other and i've

00:03:28.320 always had a problem with that because i'm very much in the middle i'm extremely conservative

00:03:32.560 on some points i'm extremely liberal on other points and that's i think most people are like

00:03:37.040 that but i got pushed into these camps and i was like i don't want to be in those camps

00:03:41.920 and so i started going towards the middle and then both sides hate me and then i'm like well

00:03:46.880 So I'd rather be hated by both sides and be myself and be real, you know, be truthfully me, which is very much in the middle.

00:03:55.320 I'm not Kristen.

00:03:56.200 I'm not Christopher.

00:03:57.860 Call me chief, you know, because then you're getting rid of all that baggage that I had before and all that baggage I had after.

00:04:04.700 And all I'm saying is my potential.

00:04:07.580 You know, look at me for what I am and who I am, not by labels or not by the clothing I wear.

00:04:13.040 you know don't judge me on my fashion because my fashion sense is is flannel shirts if you look at

00:04:18.680 what I've done almost every interview and it's the same flannel I own like three of them and I'll

00:04:23.420 never wear anything else on an interview and I'm actually thinking about dyeing them all black

00:04:27.460 because the same shirts but just dye them black like Johnny Cash because I'm so tired of all this

00:04:32.720 I just I'm waiting for something to just it's going to blow up and that's the part that people

00:04:38.100 do not understand is that they're lighting fires everywhere on both sides of the aisle so you have

00:04:44.360 the right lighting fires on the left and the left lighting fires on the right and you don't think

00:04:48.720 that's affecting people so they're taking all these issues and are making them political and

00:04:53.020 they're making them egotistical they're making them into money and money's the biggest problem

00:04:57.840 but i mean i could go into this stuff for you forever but i want you to know like my stance

00:05:03.100 and where I am. I had gender dysphoria and I think gender dysphoria is something that if you're

00:05:09.140 transgender, you all have gender dysphoria. You don't have transgender. Transgender is like the

00:05:14.900 end result of the high level gender dysphoria is the gender identity disorder. And it's something

00:05:20.960 that you can work with. Now for me, most of the life I was, I was between, and I'm going to do

00:05:25.000 a 100 scale. I was like maybe a 10, I was a 15, I was a 20. Sometimes I was like anxiety or I was

00:05:30.980 stressed out or whatever i might be like a 20 with identity going you know there's something

00:05:36.780 going on but then when i retired it was pegging way up there i was like maybe 60 because i was

00:05:41.720 just fed up with everything and i also went through a lot too in my life it just made me

00:05:46.540 start hating myself which is kind of what all of the universities seem to be teaching really well

00:05:52.600 these days is how to hate each other and which i quit school i was doing my master's in metal uh

00:05:59.460 in mental health counseling and i 100 quit school over a philosophical argument with a teacher

00:06:06.100 they were teaching crt this professor and uh professor started out as a third grade teacher

00:06:11.860 and now as a professor in college and it was still third grade levels crap they're teaching

00:06:17.220 this hatred against the entire white race every time she would say anything about white people

00:06:22.180 was like white people and it was like and it was like yeah but i'm white and i don't i don't hate

00:06:26.900 myself i do sometimes i may do dumb stuff don't we all you know yeah i'm not i don't generally

00:06:33.200 hate myself i don't hate white people i don't hate black people i don't hate asian people i don't

00:06:37.140 i don't hate anybody you know flat out that's ridiculous who in this world i don't i doubt

00:06:42.820 anyone truly hates everyone from an entire sect of people you know and hate a label or hate

00:06:49.080 something that i'm born with i hate you because you have brown eyes why because you have blue

00:06:53.180 eyes. It's the same thing. You know, I'm born how I am and you're going to hate me because I was

00:06:58.860 born? Come on. But that's what they're teaching at universities. So when they started really

00:07:03.840 hammering it, I wrote a paper. It was an opinion paper. And my opinion is my opinion. And if you

00:07:09.700 say it's an opinion paper, how are you going to grade me and give me a 50% out of 100 for my

00:07:14.960 opinion? It was a punishment because I challenged the professor because I said, this is wrong. I

00:07:20.340 started bringing up and i talked about this on another podcast a while ago it was like great

00:07:24.100 zimbabwe and all the kings and queens of africa these greatness that happened throughout the

00:07:28.740 centuries on this continent and the birth you know the cradle of civilization and i could go on and

00:07:34.140 on and on and this is stuff that i was writing my paper saying that there's no reason for you know

00:07:39.480 people to hate each other look how great the greatness and we've had greatness and everybody's

00:07:44.000 had greatness plus we've had failures and we've had mess ups you know we've done stuff wrong

00:07:49.120 as nations as peoples every people's done stuff wrong so if you want to start hating people then

00:07:55.080 hate all people you can't just pick one group of people that in history did one thing and what

00:08:01.120 slavery in america was like 70 or 80 years total if you really look at the numbers when we were

00:08:06.420 done 1776 and when it was when it was over it was barely a blink of an eye and in all of mankind's

00:08:12.660 history. You know, I just, this kind of stuff really bothers me, you know, but that's why I

00:08:18.840 quit college. When I started seeing this, this hatred against people, I started seeing the same

00:08:25.340 thing in the trans community about the labels and about hatred and about setting these labels up for

00:08:31.140 failure. And I don't want to hate myself. And, you know, so I started looking at all of this

00:08:36.360 And I put this entire ideology into the same group as CRT that they're purposely separating people for whatever reasons and causing discontent, causing hate by labels, by mental health issues that are exacerbated into surgery, which we don't do for anorexia or any other, you know, thing that's bodily issued, you know, eating disorders.

00:09:02.280 I don't see you doing teenagers surgeries for somebody who has an eating disorder, you know.

00:09:08.600 And I can go through this forever.

00:09:10.820 But so that's, I mean, that's a huge explanation of me.

00:09:14.420 But you just have to understand that all of this happened.

00:09:18.560 I would have been silent.

00:09:19.660 I was already out of transgender 100% a while ago.

00:09:24.220 And I understood it start to, for me, it was gender identity disorder.

00:09:28.100 It was a mental health issue, which I can deal with.

00:09:31.340 you know i can work on that but if it's something that you tell me that's permanent

00:09:35.340 that's something that we're all born like this we'll do this and it's and there's only one way

00:09:40.440 to fix it well that's bunk you know because you're putting a blanket uh a blanket um solution

00:09:47.940 on every human being that shows up saying anything about being a tomboy or hey i like to wear you

00:09:54.380 know freely and soft things sometimes it makes me comfortable oh you're transgender it's like come

00:09:58.360 on you know the whole thing has been blown out of the water so far that I just I had to start

00:10:04.220 speaking out I wanted to be silent I never wanted to come on these programs I did that one with

00:10:09.440 Robbie Starbuck which you know great people and they did a good job and then I went on Tucker

00:10:15.440 Carlson for like four minutes and those are the only like mainstream I've done I will not do any

00:10:21.360 mainstream every time I come on these kind of podcasts because I looked at a little bit of

00:10:25.380 stuff and i actually looked up the wrong person first but i looked stuff up and i see if somebody's

00:10:30.000 a good person and if they're pretty good information and then i say yeah i'll go on your

00:10:33.280 show but it's mainstream media i just keep saying no not doing it you know unless you just give me

00:10:38.200 my my ability just to speak and don't interrupt me and tucker was kind enough that he did that

00:10:43.760 if you look at the tucker carlson um show that i did a week ago he just lets me talk and when i

00:10:50.360 finish he says wow good point and then he goes on to his next thing so he was very respectful for

00:10:55.300 that way. They let me speak. And the message that I was trying to give on Tucker was, we're all

00:11:01.180 people. We all struggle. The main message is we all struggle. You know, we all have issues and

00:11:07.160 I have my issues and you have your issues and everyone. So why would you want to pile on top

00:11:12.600 of somebody else's issues? Or why would you want to take your issues and shove them on top of

00:11:17.200 somebody else to make their issues even tougher and mess with their life, you know? And so I'm

00:11:23.600 saying that to all those folks on both sides of the aisle, that's all you're doing. Everybody on

00:11:28.840 the right has problems. Everybody on the left has problems. Why do you keep piling more on top of

00:11:33.800 each other? I don't understand that. You know, people need to start waking up and look at your

00:11:39.440 neighbor and look at the folks living in Canada and Mexico and all around us. We think we're some

00:11:44.940 kind of like great nation that we can do whatever we want and forget about those guys north, forget

00:11:49.600 about those guys south they're our neighbors we're the same and then i say look across a pond

00:11:54.620 at europe look at russia ukraine all everything we're all neighbors this is a really small planet

00:11:59.740 so my whole message is just wake up start being nice to each other stop piling on we have enough

00:12:06.140 problems you know i mean i know i'd spoke for a long time but no i just i live this every day

00:12:12.720 because my heart hurts right now to see where our country's going and to see where the world is

00:12:17.760 going. We need to do something. People need to wake up and chill out, have some compassion and

00:12:23.860 go talk to your neighbor in person. Don't Facebook them. Don't Instagram them and all that tweet and

00:12:29.000 stuff. You know, walk next door and talk to your neighbor. Start speaking face to face or you're

00:12:35.280 never going to get your answers. You know, we got to start conversing. I like that. I like that a

00:12:41.780 that's about it. I completely agree. Well, that was a very good introduction. I have a bunch of

00:12:48.320 prepared questions for you, but I thought one of them is, what are your views on whether... Okay,

00:12:55.980 so I don't know that much about gender dysphoria, to tell you the truth. I don't either.

00:13:04.140 Nobody does. Like depression. That's real. That's what I'm trying to say is nobody does.

00:13:09.340 yeah okay otherwise we wouldn't be doing surgery on these kids you know if we knew what gender

00:13:15.140 identity disorder was we really knew what it was we wouldn't be doing surgery on kids

00:13:19.300 we'd be digging in there and looking at the underlying causes we'd looking at anxiety

00:13:23.900 at depression at a myriad of other things that could add up to gender identity disorder we got

00:13:29.680 to look at childhood trauma we got to look at generational trauma is one of the ones that we

00:13:33.960 keep missing there's there's so many things so the fact is those psychologists that think they know

00:13:40.400 because they went to surgery they don't know so if you really want to know what is this you need

00:13:46.060 to speak to some other folks i think it's about talk to some philosophers or maybe some religious

00:13:50.540 people because at least they're trying you know yeah i like that that idea of generational trauma

00:13:57.380 too that's something i kind of was like nah that's kind of hippy dippy but then i started looking at

00:14:03.040 my family and, and, you know, with, there's alcoholism on one side and, you know, I know

00:14:09.680 my great grandpa was dropped off on a doorstep when he was a baby. And then these kinds of things

00:14:15.680 do modify your behavior. And then you teach your kids those behaviors that are modified. So there

00:14:21.160 really is something to that generational trauma. A hundred percent. I could go into that one

00:14:25.860 pretty deep because I've passed on my own generational trauma. I had two boys and

00:14:32.240 unfortunately, some of the things that I've learned to stop doing, you know, now I did some

00:14:39.180 of that to my two boys. Oh, that's my worst nightmare. It breaks my heart. Yeah. I saw,

00:14:44.560 you know, so I have a five-year-old girl and I noticed, and I was quite ill for most of my life.

00:14:49.940 I had very, very crippling depression and arthritis. And I noticed some of the behaviors

00:14:57.640 I did when she was really little. And, and I, I tried to stop myself as soon as I noticed

00:15:04.040 myself doing them and her mimicking them. I was like, Oh no, no, no, no, no. I don't want some

00:15:08.640 of these behaviors passed on. I need to get myself sorted out right now. Yeah. That's awesome. You

00:15:14.700 broke the cycle. That's awesome. Well, hopefully, I don't know. I'm sure I've passed on plenty of

00:15:19.220 problems but at least i think i got some under control yeah um so what do you think say you have

00:15:28.560 a kid who's experiencing gender dysphoria what should a parent do you do what parents do you

00:15:35.600 love them you talk to them you have a lot of conversations and then if there's conversations

00:15:40.940 you get beyond you you find a good counselor you know even though i'm giving a lot of crap to

00:15:46.180 counselors and all that there are some amazing counselors out there one of my professors actually

00:15:50.460 at the university i was going to is an amazing counselor and i would go to him every day and

00:15:55.600 he's a childhood counselor you know he does a lot with youth and dr curtain and uh you need to find

00:16:02.420 someone like that someone who's like open-minded and doesn't have an agenda doesn't have a narrative

00:16:06.520 doesn't have like he's no push because it has to be a very open dialogue and just let let them

00:16:13.440 speak and uh you'll want to do individual but you're going to also want to do group with with

00:16:19.020 your child because i think that's important because you should be able to know all the stuff

00:16:22.820 that's going on and be able because you're with your kid more than that one hour session with the

00:16:27.020 counselor so you should kind of know what's going on so that you can continue when you're home now

00:16:32.200 it's not you're going to let your kid be a kid you know but you're not going to force the kid

00:16:36.760 one way or the other surgery is definitely not the answer because this is a lot it's much more

00:16:41.640 internal than it's external. And an external solution for anyone, you know, is going to be

00:16:47.880 an issue. And when I talk about gender identity disorder, I'm also talking about women and men

00:16:53.100 who do the very far out gender surgeries that they do, you know, when they do the massive

00:17:01.700 breast augmentation. Or you have guys putting these huge calves in their legs, you know,

00:17:06.360 the guys that have really big upper bodies, but they have chicken legs. So they put, they add

00:17:10.120 calves on you don't think that's gender identity disorder now the good part is is those gender

00:17:16.060 identities are in line with their um physical sex and so it's easy to cover up it's easy to hide

00:17:23.040 it's easy everybody accepts it and a problem in society right now thanks to the kardashians and

00:17:28.500 all the other crap they uh it's it's just it's like way over the top so for women um women and

00:17:36.460 the female uh gender identity sort of so it's aligned it's parallel what are they doing you

00:17:42.660 know if you look at those magazines and look where the kardashians are going and all those other

00:17:46.040 people they're they're it's almost a it's like mimicking you know real women and you know what

00:17:52.740 i mean and i think men do the same thing which they all want to be like arnold schwarzenegger

00:17:57.300 or all the other folks who are you know way over the top you know bodybuilders and all that

00:18:01.760 but they can't do it because physically not everyone can do that physically not every woman

00:18:07.000 is going to be you know looking like a Marilyn Monroe hourglass figure and everything else

00:18:11.500 it's just not possible you know we're all different shapes and sizes and we should be

00:18:15.500 proud of that whenever they talk about diversity it just cracks me up that they miss the whole

00:18:20.700 point of diversity you know they want diversity but they want everybody to be the same in their

00:18:25.480 diversity you know if they wanted to invite somebody to talk about diversity in a lgbtq

00:18:31.500 environment i would be the most diverse person that they would ever meet because i'm transgender

00:18:37.100 i have gender identity disorder so i'm still in your group you know and i was a navy seal and i

00:18:42.980 was surgery and no surgery and detransit all the other stuff you're not going to find a more

00:18:48.340 diverse character but they kick me out they don't want diversity they want diversity as long as it

00:18:54.180 lines up with their agenda you know and then when you start talking about inclusion is a whole

00:18:58.940 another thing i don't know if they really know de and i if they really understand what inclusion

00:19:03.780 really means you know there's a there's a lot of these little issues that seem to be exasperating

00:19:09.680 and just going in one direction towards the same slippery slope it seems like everything keeps

00:19:16.580 aiming at the same thing to uh get rid of all the whites and and then we're gone you know that's

00:19:23.200 what it seems to me and i don't get it that's what they're teaching universities every time i go to

00:19:27.500 de and i that's if you're not you know if you're white male and especially like christian and

00:19:33.900 middle class or anything else you're not allowed you're excluded how is that diversity i don't get

00:19:40.480 that you know i mean i'm rambling on a whole bunch of different things but all of this is it all adds

00:19:46.400 up together and if we had enough time it all comes together it's all the same stuff it's taking words

00:19:54.040 it's taking labels it's taking all the stuff and it's changing them to meet narratives it's changing

00:19:58.540 everything to meet an agenda rather than taking a word it means this and it's like well that word

00:20:03.980 means that well maybe we need to invent another word or like even the sports you have uh male and

00:20:09.800 female sports for for reasons you know if i was to go in and fight ufc when i was supposedly

00:20:17.280 transgender and i'd fought ufc when i was claiming you know a female which i never really did i was

00:20:24.540 like being women and being female was different in the way i saw the whole thing so if i fought

00:20:30.460 ufc during that time period when they would have let me do you think i would have just crushed

00:20:35.220 everybody i mean i probably would have gotten beat there's some tough ladies out there but

00:20:38.640 I mean the power and the ability that I would have that barely any women would ever have because of

00:20:45.540 the testosterone going through my body for you know 40 something years you know and just the

00:20:50.220 the sinew strength and the ligament connections just the way I'm built I would crush all those

00:20:55.580 women and I just thought that would be unfair just like ridiculous so I never even entertained

00:21:00.020 the idea that I would ever compete against women in anything you know they even said that I could

00:21:05.000 apply for these special grants and things, these women grants. And I was like, no. And I said,

00:21:10.040 that doesn't even make any sense. You know, so I did kind of put myself, whether most people

00:21:16.120 have noticed it or not, I don't mean anybody noticed it, but I had myself in kind of a

00:21:19.840 different class. I did not want to, I mean, no, I did kind of mess up a little bit where I did

00:21:27.980 encroach a lot on a women's territory. So I wouldn't say I didn't, you know, that was a huge

00:21:31.940 mistake and i admit that but there were definitely areas that i would never think to ever cross those

00:21:37.760 lines and right now all the lines are crossed and there are no boundaries and now they're actually

00:21:42.300 changing definitions of words you know that how does that make sense who do you think like you

00:21:50.240 said it's part of a bigger agenda do you think this is this is coming from something external

00:21:55.120 or is this just people making things crazy within America?

00:22:01.120 Within America.

00:22:02.960 For a while, I keep pointing at Sweden,

00:22:06.840 and it's been a couple of years.

00:22:08.920 I've been talking about the Netherlands, Sweden,

00:22:11.080 and Scandinavian countries who are very far in front

00:22:14.680 of this entire transgender curve

00:22:16.600 and the transgender surgery curve especially.

00:22:19.880 And about a year ago, I think they started doing

00:22:22.160 this really big study, and it's called the J-curve.

00:22:25.120 And it's in Sweden.

00:22:26.420 And it's the gender surgery or gender identity J curve.

00:22:30.300 And you can look it up.

00:22:31.060 Google it.

00:22:31.940 But they had this, it was, the curve went, and it went, it shot way up.

00:22:35.720 And it looked like a J.

00:22:36.680 It went, bam.

00:22:37.960 It was a 1,500% increase in teenagers identifying as transgender or non-binary.

00:22:44.040 1,500% increase.

00:22:45.960 Does that sound like a popular or a fad or something?

00:22:48.420 Does that sound like somebody's pushing it or it became so popular that the wave kind

00:22:53.540 of picked up a lot of people?

00:22:54.460 well that's what sweden found out and so sweden kind of they didn't put a halt to it but they

00:23:00.000 said hey we need some studies we need to figure this out so sweden reacted the government of

00:23:04.460 sweden and people there they went up in arms they're like what's going on this doesn't seem

00:23:08.320 right and they did the curve now goes way up and now it goes it starts going way back down

00:23:13.360 oh wow and who knows where it's going to go but they corrected it and the biggest thing i keep

00:23:18.320 talking about is if somebody has as you know gid and they have you know they're transgender and

00:23:24.040 you want to do surgeries and you're over 18 you're over whatever age you know rock on you know do

00:23:29.640 your thing and have a great life you know congratulate you the thing is if it's teenagers

00:23:35.420 and you see this 1500 you know uptake in this going on there's a lot of people getting swept

00:23:41.920 up inside of that tidal wave and when those folks that are in that tidal wave when they graduate

00:23:46.880 high school when it's all over and they no longer have that peer pressure they no longer have all

00:23:51.360 those hormones running through bodies and it's all wild you know high school high school is just

00:23:55.420 yeah it's one of those times nobody wants to redo it it's crazy so all those folks that get swept up

00:24:01.600 in this tidal wave when the tidal wave is over when you're done with high school and you're

00:24:05.480 sitting there 22 years old and you have a job you start really thinking all those folks that got

00:24:10.520 wrapped up in that tidal wave what's going to happen to them and so they keep saying they care

00:24:15.280 about trans kids they care about trans kids they keep saying how much they care do they care about

00:24:19.840 those people that are getting swept up? Did he care about the people that find out that this

00:24:23.940 wasn't really me because I had boom, boom, boom, boom. They start going down the line of other

00:24:29.200 things or they had really intense gender identity disorder because of all of these reasons or all

00:24:34.600 my friends were trans. So it was just, it was easier. You know, that's kids. That's how kids

00:24:39.160 talk. You know, they do when they start really thinking about it when they're 22, 23, 30 years

00:24:44.600 old, what happens to them? Now for me, when I say I care about the kids, I care about all the kids.

00:24:51.540 I care about those kids that have gender identity disorder, the gender dysphoria, and I care about

00:24:55.840 the ones that have it really bad that might end up having to have surgery later in life. I care

00:25:00.260 about them. I don't want you to be healthy. I want you to be happy. I also care about the ones that

00:25:05.280 the transgender community does not care about. I care about the ones, the trans kids that they

00:25:10.840 say are trans kids i care about the ones that you do not care about the ones that when they're 22

00:25:16.100 years old they found out they made a mistake i care about them and those are the ones if you

00:25:21.520 start looking at the rates of taking their own lives of everything else that's going on this

00:25:26.460 is the problem that nobody wants to talk about and i feel like i'm the only one talking about this

00:25:31.660 and i know i've taught when i was on robbie starbuck i was very emotional and i was i was

00:25:36.800 very very lucky that my fiancee Courtney was there with me because uh she's an academic and she

00:25:42.200 she goes right into the academics of it and I'm very passionate I go yeah and then she goes do

00:25:48.700 do she just starts going right through it and so she's you know magnificent when it comes to that

00:25:54.040 to just talk me down a little bit and make me not be so passionate but I do want you to understand

00:25:59.760 that I I do care about all those kids who have gender dysphoria and and want to do surgery later

00:26:06.440 in life you know all for it you know but follow the guidelines and right now the guidelines i've

00:26:13.080 been talking about this again for like a year is uh the harry benjamin protocols and uh they

00:26:19.000 they started canceling all the stuff out and they went to w path and uh the w path i said a long

00:26:24.320 time ago has been um it's corrupted it's uh it's it's gone to the point where it's just a it's a

00:26:30.560 check in a box and then the other part is that everybody knows how to game the system so they

00:26:35.220 have coaches for transgender kids now and so if you're a trans kid and your parents don't agree

00:26:40.660 with what you're going on they can hide it and do all the stuff and you'll be assigned a coach

00:26:44.760 you'll be assigned an older transgender person to sit right there with you and give you the words

00:26:50.700 now does that sound good what does that sound like to you i mean that sounds kind of like um

00:26:57.620 i don't know i've known some religions in the past that used to do that kind of stuff

00:27:02.040 you know yeah and then you'll end up drinking kool-aid you know they don't last very long

00:27:06.760 because the whole thing falls apart because it's a house of cards you know and they're building a

00:27:11.200 huge house of cards that's worldwide and uh i don't want the rest of the world to look at america

00:27:17.780 that we're all doing this because i think it's a very very small number of americans and i don't

00:27:23.680 want you to look at all the transgender people the older transgender people that i know i've

00:27:28.260 calling me and writing me notes and saying yeah you're right about this this and this and this

00:27:32.240 but this is and i'm like well i was right about a lot i said can you keep digging and look at more

00:27:37.100 of it and i said yeah yeah we want to a lot of transgender people the older transgender people

00:27:42.760 that i know are uh are a little upset you know i think it's more of an activist problem i think

00:27:49.720 when you get these people in there who are being paid and they're activists and they have they're

00:27:53.620 most of them have good hearts and they want to help but there comes a time when they're

00:28:00.020 activist and i don't know if that's a word but activizing i don't know when they're doing it so

00:28:05.460 hardcore and they're so wrapped up to it and that becomes their entire identity so their identity

00:28:10.780 is no longer human their identity is no longer american their identity probably isn't even

00:28:15.300 transgender anymore their identity is an activist and all they're trying to do is recruit and get

00:28:20.580 their side of the story out and then make sure any other part of the story is as quiet as possible

00:28:25.540 and for me there's a guy named goebbels that did that really well you know i mean it's propaganda

00:28:31.040 and a lot of the stuff that i'm talking about is uh i can tie it into politics and religion

00:28:35.980 and all kinds of things all the failed states and all the failed religions and all the failed

00:28:41.400 everything that you see start out with a lot of good intentions even cults and uh fiance courtney

00:28:48.820 she's a cult expert that's one of the things she studied and she's been coaching me through a lot

00:28:52.800 of this and i'm just like my it blows my mind when i start seeing the parallels and if somebody

00:28:57.900 would write a paper and it's a phd thesis maybe she should do it but the um i just i keep finding

00:29:04.600 things that line up and it's just it's horrible and uh if you're a kid you have no chance and

00:29:11.880 at least had a chance you know when i was a kid you know i grew up and i was a kid and i had

00:29:18.740 a lot of stuff and then i finally started after i retired and then uh and now i look back on my life

00:29:23.620 and i still cannot pinpoint the exact time and i can't pinpoint any like one event you know i think

00:29:31.020 it's a it's a it's like the death of a thousand cuts you know it's um it was just a whole bunch

00:29:35.740 of little things all adding up and then finally it broke you know and i just i think that happens

00:29:41.540 with a lot of folks you know if you're not taking care of the small things all those small things

00:29:45.940 will add up to really big later in life and i think that's a value of having a good coach or

00:29:51.000 a mentor or that good counselor i'm talking about or even if you had a parent or a sibling or

00:29:55.860 somebody you can speak to we all need to talk to somebody because none of us are right none of us

00:30:00.820 know everything you know we need to go out there and investigate and have dialogues and speak and

00:30:06.420 i'm speaking way too much i'm sorry i think i'm answering most of your questions no no i just

00:30:10.800 realized i said i'm talking too much no no no that's why you're on here um i think i think

00:30:16.660 the lack of communication could easily be contributing to just mental illness as a whole

00:30:21.460 i know that if i like during covid and there have been periods of time where i've been isolated in

00:30:26.080 my life and like i don't stay sane for sure like for sure you need to be able to talk out loud to

00:30:33.300 somebody about what's going on around you to make sure it's real i think well if you if you think

00:30:38.240 about prisons and you think about like wartime when we have somebody in a pow camp or something

00:30:42.700 what's like the worst punishment you can give somebody isolation you know you put them in

00:30:46.840 isolation and after a while the person's gonna break you know they're gonna give up the information

00:30:51.200 or they're just gonna go it really does affect you heavily we are social creatures you know we

00:30:57.480 have to have that social you know everything you know so yeah isolation is terrible yeah and i

00:31:05.100 I wonder how much, you know, especially younger generations now with spending a lot of time on

00:31:09.980 TikTok and just being fed, you know, certain things through TikTok and not hanging out with

00:31:14.400 their friends or going outside. I don't know what kids do now, but I don't know if they go outside

00:31:18.040 and play in the streets like they used to, like even I did when I grew up. Um, that's got to be

00:31:22.880 isolating too. Even though you have social media and friends on social media, it's still, it's not

00:31:28.280 real. Exactly. Yeah. I love what you said to social media is a hundred percent isolation.

00:31:32.580 if all you do is look at your phone you're not with anybody you're with the digits you know yeah

00:31:37.440 we need to go back to an analog world you know and i've i've been going around my entire house leds

00:31:42.420 everything and i'm going back to analog i don't want anything digital in my life if it's not

00:31:47.700 analog i don't want it you know and i and i count that for people too there are some very digital

00:31:52.700 people out there you know they run on computer programs and that's like there's a book i read

00:31:57.380 called the uh it's a chimp brain paradox and uh most people in this day and age because of the

00:32:04.320 society we're living in they're all digital they're not even living on a human way and humans

00:32:09.880 are analog we run on analog everything you know they're digital they're running computer programs

00:32:14.860 it's a yes and no world for them you know i hate you i love you and it's not everything

00:32:18.680 it's it's the same problem yeah that definitely contributes i like i worry about that for myself

00:32:26.220 too i have a podcast so i spend a lot of and i i have a lot online you know a brand and i help my

00:32:31.600 dad with his online i guess you could call it a brand and so i spend all my time on a computer

00:32:38.880 but then i i section off periods of the day because i have a five-year-old so i section

00:32:42.920 off where i'm like okay got to put my phone down you've got the red light blue lockers i you know

00:32:48.420 i do i don't have them here but i definitely do i should wear them more all the time every time

00:32:53.900 you're on a computer you better do blue blockers because there's the frequency of the blue light

00:32:57.780 that's coming out of here is very very dangerous yeah no i can feel it it's yeah it's bad so do

00:33:03.340 the blue blockers when you're on a computer especially if you're on it every day yeah i

00:33:07.000 should do that more i have a like i changed my phone cover so my phone kind of takes away all

00:33:12.400 the blue light so at least i do that but i used to be better with the blue blockers awesome yeah

00:33:17.900 i dropped it i dropped it um do you have anything to say to kids who are say i and i feel like this

00:33:26.300 happens a lot especially in more probably more liberal areas of the country if they're having

00:33:32.500 gender dysphoria and they're in school and they're being encouraged to do surgery and told hey you

00:33:38.700 know the suicide risk is higher but if you do the surgery your suicide risk will drop um do you have

00:33:43.620 anything to say to kids considering surgery um and i would say something kind of funny and this

00:33:50.680 would be pointed more at the parents would be um your kid's chosen name of what the kid wants to

00:33:56.220 be called and i mean when i was a kid what would be like a silly name that some kid wanted to be

00:34:01.100 killed when they were kids you know call me firetruck you know i'm not saying i want to be

00:34:04.960 fire or just scarlet pocahontas yeah pocahontas so yeah so what you should do is have your kid

00:34:11.200 saying hey let's um let's just tattoo pocahontas across your forehead and just have that for a

00:34:16.380 while because that's what you want to be kind of pocahontas let's just tattoo you for a while

00:34:19.420 but do it like hannah or something and then just have like this giant pocahontas you know or

00:34:23.700 something across your face so everybody sees it every second and then we'll see what happens

00:34:28.580 you know and it would be a permanent tattoo because and then you let them know the permanence

00:34:32.720 of it you know what if you had a permanent tattoo across your face with something like

00:34:37.160 just big label so that every time somebody saw you they saw that giant label across your face

00:34:42.900 it was the only thing they could really see you know and then see how you feel see how people

00:34:49.320 treat you see how it all fits in and then how what what do you feel about that and just the

00:34:55.320 conversation alone would be you know well a permanent tattoo across my face why would I

00:35:00.580 want to do that well I mean it's the same thing you know it's something that's very permanent

00:35:05.400 and it's right there it's in front of everybody and it's something that's really hard to change

00:35:09.800 so if you got like a a giant tattoo across your face to remove tattoo is very painful

00:35:14.540 and it takes a long time a lot a lot of money and it's the same thing as that so for me i did get

00:35:20.600 breast augmentation you know and that was also just i don't know what happened and that was

00:35:25.360 another thing i'm trying to find out what i did wrong as far as me needing that for me to be

00:35:31.680 fulfilled and whatever you know intellectual or uh mental health reason and at the time it seemed

00:35:38.260 right but as I look back on it it was like I don't know what I did and then so they're doing

00:35:46.080 a permanent uh surgery to their bodies that they're not going to change very easily it's

00:35:53.880 very difficult to change very painful and some of the changes uh Chloe Cole I bring her up

00:35:59.340 Cause she's one of the only public, you know, younger transgender people that she just talked

00:36:03.840 to dad, dad, dad called me to, yeah, dad called me today.

00:36:07.260 And I said, and said, Oh yeah, I'm really, I really want to get Chloe Cole out.

00:36:10.660 I was like, Oh, who's Chloe Cole.

00:36:12.060 And I was like, Oh, that's interesting.

00:36:13.280 I'm talking to Chris back today.

00:36:15.260 So yeah, she's an excellent example and I don't bring up any other ones, but there's,

00:36:20.000 there's hundreds.

00:36:21.000 And the thing is, is like, they're still young and they don't want to be in the news.

00:36:24.200 chloe is taking a lot of heavy hits and i hope they don't use her and abuse her like they did

00:36:29.780 me on cnn and she's still very young and i was an adult when i got used in kind of that machine

00:36:35.840 of mainstream media and you know i mean you've been on enough shows and things that it's a

00:36:41.100 machine it's entertainment you know and they're going to use you up as much as they can hey go

00:36:45.380 on this show go on this show go on this show and they're doing that to chloe and i do hope if chloe

00:36:49.500 hears this you know take a take a break you know i did all those new shows and if you think you're

00:36:54.960 gonna get something out of it you're not they're getting something out of it you know it's not

00:37:00.460 gonna be a money maker unless there's some way for you to move it into that but it's it's just

00:37:04.840 news they just want to chew you up entertainment and then you're done you know and and i i feel

00:37:10.200 bad that she's just so young and doing that to her i hope somebody's helping her out and just

00:37:14.580 talking to her and saying hey yeah we'll do that one and not that one start being very selective

00:37:18.580 you know that would be a good choice but for parents like i said i was being a little bit

00:37:23.220 tongue-in-cheek about the tattoo thing but i'm very serious too when you do those surgeries

00:37:27.680 it's like something on your face it's like right there all of it everybody sees it everybody sees

00:37:33.260 you you see all them you have to feel it all the time every time you look in a mirror you're going

00:37:37.880 to feel it now you're going to feel it really good you're going to love it you know but what

00:37:42.460 happens when you don't love it you know and then you can't change it that's what i'm saying it's

00:37:47.820 is so permanent and so right there and the other thing is is they talk about gender being um fluid

00:37:54.920 they talk about non-binary they talk about these 50 something or is it 80 now genders and all this

00:38:01.260 stuff so why are all the surgeries only binary and that was something i ask people all the time

00:38:08.360 it's like well can i have a surgery that's non-binary well there is not one so what what's

00:38:13.240 non-binary oh it's fashion oh okay so now we understand non-binary um so i can put on clothing

00:38:20.020 and be non-binary oh yeah yeah you're good uh yeah if you're a girl just wear jeans and a cowboy hat

00:38:25.160 and you're non-binary well no that doesn't make any sense so there's just so much stuff and i know

00:38:30.660 i'm at the point right now and i think the whole world is getting really close to that point

00:38:36.040 well i'm just tired of it i don't want to talk about this anymore i want it to be over it's just

00:38:40.900 like the the end of the fourth quarter and it's a tie game and it's just everybody's tired and

00:38:48.240 then everybody's crying about everything that everybody's dying and it's like i i don't i don't

00:38:54.980 buy that you know i buy the thing that somebody's life is in danger if they're not able to talk to

00:39:00.820 somebody so if the kid that's in school and they start becoming transgender at school and then the

00:39:06.300 parents find out about it the parents are going to be pretty angry and the parents are going to say

00:39:10.140 no i mean any parent would wouldn't i just got tricked and my kid comes home and this is what's

00:39:14.740 going on well let's just hold the horses stop right here and let's go talk to somebody and

00:39:20.180 then that kid gets so upset that they move out they become homeless and then what happens after

00:39:23.840 that so there's also a lot going on where i want parents to know that if your child does this and

00:39:31.520 they do even do it behind your back it's your child you know and you can still talk to them

00:39:37.120 and you can work this out, you know, go to some counseling, you know, read about the

00:39:41.000 Harry Benjamin protocols, read about a lot of the other stuff. There's hundreds of books

00:39:45.020 out there that could be very, very educational to people on

00:39:49.140 both sides of the aisle. And one of those books, I think it was called Born in the

00:39:53.060 Right Body. There's a bunch of books out there. I could

00:39:57.000 probably send you a list of books that are very, very interesting.

00:40:00.640 If you start reading these stories, and these are actual stories in this one book

00:40:04.820 by a whole bunch of transgender people who have de-trans or transgender people who are still trans.

00:40:10.860 It's a mix-up of stories and a lot of women too, feminists and anti-feminists and all kinds of

00:40:16.500 people. So you try to collect the information from all sides of the story, read some different books.

00:40:22.340 Don't just read the one book that you get from, you know, that drag queen's library, you know,

00:40:28.700 that book probably isn't going to be very two-sided. It's going to be very one-sided book.

00:40:33.700 and that's a problem i don't want all these parents and i don't want all these kids to only

00:40:39.460 get one side of the story and that's one of the biggest reasons it's probably the biggest reason

00:40:44.700 i even came out and started speaking out yeah i know chloe's doing a great job and i don't do

00:40:49.680 very many of these because i just want to have enough of a voice from some of the uh elder uh

00:40:57.320 trans people who have been there before and i have a little bit of a name that i just want you to

00:41:02.940 know that my voice is just backing up Chloe to make sure that people listen to her and to make

00:41:09.320 sure that she's taken care of the way all those other kids need to be taken care of you know

00:41:13.920 listen to them find out what's going on find out why the surgery happened and who authorized it

00:41:21.500 where it was going what was the diagnosis and I'll go through the entire DSM if I have to with each

00:41:26.940 one of these kids to find out what was going on you know because they're missing something something

00:41:31.940 is missing you know and i i just want to lend my voice right now that i am here i am not transgender

00:41:39.900 by the ideology that currently exists i have what they used to call gender identity disorder

00:41:46.220 and unfortunately for me it's a cross identity which causes a lot of issues they're not problems

00:41:52.960 or challenges it does help in a few different ways you know in my fashion sense is fabulous

00:41:59.460 you know i'm just kidding i just i have to have some levity here because this stuff is just so

00:42:04.620 so like harsh man i just there are things that i know where i'm different that i do think a little

00:42:12.900 bit differently i don't think like a woman but i do think um and it starts turning the stereotypes

00:42:18.920 if i start doing that but there are some things that i do and i and i act like that i think would

00:42:25.700 be part of that cross identity type of a thing and i think if we start really looking at ourselves

00:42:31.120 as humans and people start being honest with ourselves you're going to find that we all have

00:42:35.320 a lot of that the only thing is like maybe i let mine affect me a lot more for whatever reasons

00:42:40.240 you know and and if you have those guys who are lifting weights and they have the chicken legs

00:42:44.380 and they're putting those giant calves in you know you have identity disorder you're just lucky

00:42:48.820 it's parallel with your own you know your birth sex you know i just there's a lot we need to work

00:42:55.260 on and the only way we're going to be able to get through this is for people to start being honest

00:43:00.320 for people to start being honest with yourselves honest with your vocabulary with the words you use

00:43:06.440 and being precise with those words and then just speaking to each other and in a truthful manner

00:43:11.820 not your dialogue you're not your narrative not your agenda where you're trying to do something

00:43:17.880 for yourself you know do you think i gain anything from doing this i the only thing i gain is a whole

00:43:23.860 into death threats yeah you know and i'm honest about that i get death threats i don't make a

00:43:30.260 cent from doing this stuff and i will never make a cent from any of the stuff because i think that

00:43:33.840 would be kind of gross you know i just i'm gonna live my life and just i'll give speeches you know

00:43:40.400 i give talks like your dad does but not his level holy cow but i do get invited to give speeches

00:43:46.620 at corporations and i talk about diversity inclusion i talk about the seal teams i give

00:43:51.540 them seal team stories about things that i learned like the really hard way it was like this one time

00:43:56.980 it was like in the middle of this compound and we were going after this guy and there's a baby crib

00:44:01.440 right in the middle of this like we're fighting and i ran in the middle of it and got this baby

00:44:05.900 out of the crib and i was like i talk about that kind of a story and then i try to relate it that

00:44:10.780 every day you're walking down the street you have a chance to save somebody's life i said it might

00:44:15.640 it's not going to be in a firefight and it's a baby and in a country and all the craziness that

00:44:20.280 I had to deal with. But every day, if you start observing, you're going to see people in stress.

00:44:25.900 You're going to see people in trouble. And if you just give them a kind word, give them a smile,

00:44:30.100 when they go home that night, they might have a little different outlook on life.

00:44:34.200 You know, and that saved a life with a simple smile, you know. And I've been talking about

00:44:38.400 giving people smiles and trying to help in this little way to save people's lives for years and

00:44:43.240 years. And I wish people would start doing that. I was walking around Costco just the other day

00:44:48.940 uh doing that pre-christmas shopping that was just chaos but the whole day i knew it was a super

00:44:56.620 stressful day and courtney and i were here also and we were just walking around and we made it

00:45:02.240 an effort we made it an effort to greet everyone we saw if they were you know open it dead and we

00:45:07.600 were greeting people left and right saying merry christmas how you doing and just being funny and

00:45:12.120 jokey with everybody and you wouldn't believe the responses we got it was like people were stopping

00:45:17.020 they're shopping and just saying what's going on hi how you doing you're having a wonderful day

00:45:20.960 and we just started talking and it was and that was a simple thing that we're trying to take one

00:45:25.540 of the most stressful shopping days just everybody's panicking and the parking lot was chaos

00:45:29.720 if people just slow down have a smile a short conversation we'd maybe took 10 extra minutes

00:45:37.500 out of the entire costco run 15 minutes out of our lives to maybe save a dozen lives because now

00:45:43.640 they're not stressed they're not doing this they're not going home going we couldn't buy that

00:45:47.680 chinese rubber dog shit that we always wanted you know it's they're out there running around

00:45:54.580 trying to consume this crap and it's like everybody's just frustrated and it's like

00:45:59.100 we're just buying groceries and stuff you know and everybody's buying all this stuff you know

00:46:04.040 we need to get all of our regular stuff that we can't buy on a farm or grow on a farm yeah but

00:46:09.460 it's just people need to slow down people to start having conversations you know stop buying

00:46:14.240 all that rubber junk you know the plastic junk that lasts two days and then you throw it away

00:46:20.320 you know go analog if you want to really live i feel that i feel that i just got sent i feel

00:46:28.260 like you would like this i got sent tallow soap so it's just saponified tallow and there's

00:46:33.840 moisturizer i'll shoot you over i'll tell you what the company is it's very nice but it's the same

00:46:38.900 kind of it reminds me i was like this is the hippiest thing i've ever seen but it's kind of

00:46:43.100 nice and we're so surrounded by like you said blue lights and social media and ideology we try to we

00:46:50.860 try to make all that stuff ourselves you know we don't really need to buy that stuff yeah no that's

00:46:56.100 very true that's very true okay let's see um okay so you've been going on these podcasts um who are

00:47:06.240 you getting who are you getting death threats from that's horrifying that's got to be stressful

00:47:11.460 no i mean it's not that stressful i guess i'm uh i'm kind of used to you have experience with

00:47:17.260 stress yeah well here's this thing i see and that's why i don't really i'm not really i mean

00:47:23.560 i know it'll probably happen but i don't i'm not worried about it you know i at the same time even

00:47:29.440 when i came out in uh 2014 13 14 whatever it was i uh i got death threats back then and it was from

00:47:36.520 the other side i mean i get death threats from like old military buddies you know pretty much

00:47:41.180 you know saying you know if you come anywhere near me i'm gonna beat the shit out of you

00:47:44.080 oh shoot i just cursed i'm sorry no no it's okay oh i said that word earlier god i just i don't do

00:47:50.940 that normally but um i uh i just i'm not worried about it because i wear the armor of god you know

00:48:00.600 and it can be whatever god that you pray to or you believe in or whatever i know my god

00:48:05.860 and it's it's the knowledge that i'm on the right side it's the knowledge that with everything i

00:48:12.300 read and all the books that i read and i've stacks of books that i'm trying to go through

00:48:16.060 to try to gain some insight into and i'm a lot the bible of course but i'm christian so of course

00:48:23.520 the bible but i read everything else too you know oh good i don't have to say good

00:48:28.600 what are you supposed to say hey welcome aboard hey wow we're the club but the

00:48:35.200 but christians don't gang up like that it's just hey this is what i believe and i think some of

00:48:41.120 the best christians i've ever met we don't really go to church because most of those churches are

00:48:45.300 the guys in the pulpit are collecting too much money when they have these big houses and all

00:48:48.980 this other stuff that's not my kind of church my church is out there in the woods by myself

00:48:52.980 you know reading amongst the trees or one or two people and we'd go through lessons

00:48:56.740 you know that's the church that jesus kept talking about that we totally missed a point

00:49:01.700 you know he brought us that church he gave it to us you know i don't kind of started doing like a

00:49:07.400 sermon i apologize but um the reason i don't worry about that and i wear the armor of god

00:49:13.720 is because i am i'm held fast to my beliefs i know my beliefs now i lost them for a long time

00:49:20.700 i lost my way you know i felt like it was like you know in some ways i felt like kind of like

00:49:26.420 sol in a way then i felt a little bit like job and i felt like you know i get the technicolor

00:49:31.080 dream coat i went through all of these things where i had to go through these really hardships

00:49:36.360 I had to figure some things out

00:49:39.160 and I was tested greatly

00:49:40.840 and I passed a lot of the tests

00:49:44.800 there were some of those tests that I think I failed

00:49:47.400 that I'm still working on and I'm trying to do better

00:49:49.760 and for me to be able to even say that

00:49:52.620 hey there's the cat back there

00:49:54.240 for me to say that

00:49:56.720 that I am held steadfast in my beliefs

00:49:59.220 and I read through there

00:50:00.240 and it's grounded in morality

00:50:01.820 it's grounded in truth

00:50:02.860 it's grounded in ethical decisions

00:50:04.540 and all kinds of things

00:50:05.580 you know and if you don't have that then you're a ship out in the ocean with no rudder you know

00:50:12.460 and people will make fun of christians and i'll make fun of me reading the bible you know because

00:50:16.020 i do it just i found waiting somewhere i always have my little pocket bible it's a motorcycle

00:50:20.120 club bible has a little motorcycle on it says biker's bible and it's one i carried around with

00:50:25.060 me for a long time and then i stopped and i wish i would have kept doing that because i think that's

00:50:29.180 what really grounded me but i just pull it out and start reading it you know when people look at

00:50:32.900 mean i scoff it's almost like christians it's like they say with white people oh white people

00:50:37.160 oh christians it's like why you know why can't i have my belief and that's my belief it's my

00:50:43.080 personal belief i'm not saying anything to anybody else because i'm standing there reading a bible

00:50:48.160 or sitting there in a waiting room reading a bible does nothing to you you know they just

00:50:52.720 arrested some lady it was in canada she was standing outside of an abortion oh i saw that

00:50:57.240 no i don't think that was canada i think that was the uk oh it was uk yeah it was yeah yeah

00:51:02.140 But she was standing there just silently, not saying a word.

00:51:06.020 And then they said, do you know where you're standing?

00:51:07.700 She said, yeah, this is an abortion clinic.

00:51:09.240 Well, what are you doing?

00:51:10.080 She says, I'm just standing here minding my business.

00:51:12.560 And they were like, are you praying?

00:51:13.560 She says, yes.

00:51:14.640 I said, well, if they ask me that, I pray all the time.

00:51:17.460 You know, I pray with every breath I take, you know.

00:51:20.460 And if you work on, there's this breathing technique,

00:51:23.740 there's these deep air breathers, and it's a really neat thing.

00:51:28.220 But if you think about the name of God and in the old Judean way with Yahweh, every breath you take is speaking the words of God.

00:51:38.200 Yahweh.

00:51:39.160 When you're breathing, you're saying the words of God.

00:51:41.000 Oh, that's on purpose.

00:51:42.740 Oh, I haven't heard that before.

00:51:43.980 That's cool.

00:51:44.620 So, yeah.

00:51:45.640 And so I purposely breathe the name of God with every breath I take, you know.

00:51:50.220 And you're going to tell me that now if I go anywhere near an abortion clinic and I'm breathing, they're going to arrest me?

00:51:56.740 You know, come on.

00:51:57.900 The person was just standing there.

00:51:59.280 What are they doing?

00:51:59.940 Not threatening me, anybody, not talking to anybody, not doing it, just standing there.

00:52:03.720 So how far are they going to push this?

00:52:06.500 That's the question I have.

00:52:08.320 Now, I do think that that's the danger, you know, and that's the danger to themselves.

00:52:13.060 So this entire movement that's pushing so hard, they're going to push it so hard and

00:52:17.520 it's going to go so far that there's going to be backlash.

00:52:21.960 And the backlash is going to be as much or probably even more brutal than what you're

00:52:26.020 doing to everyone right now.

00:52:27.900 And so, and I'm not, it's not a threat. It's not even a warning. It's just a study of history. And when I study history, you see it all the time. You know, you see that the oppressed become the oppressors.

00:52:42.340 and if you have a whole group of people right now that are policing language that they're

00:52:47.560 arresting people for standing around that they're arresting people because they used the wrong

00:52:51.180 pronoun you know who's being oppressed that every corporation around the world every fortune 100

00:52:58.320 company every fortune 500 company every company around the earth has a rainbow flag and has this

00:53:05.580 and raise them on the flagpoles and they're having parades and everything i don't see that for

00:53:11.340 Christians you know I don't see that for a lot of groups of people you know so you're not oppressed

00:53:17.300 I really wish that they would stop saying they're oppressed because they can do everything that

00:53:22.300 anyone can do do you think the oppression or do you think the violence that's happening is caused

00:53:28.240 because you have drag queens dancing half naked in front of young kids do you think the oppression

00:53:34.240 is happening because you have you know young kids like Chloe Cole who had a double mastectomy at

00:53:39.160 like 15 or 16 years old and there's a there's the youngest case i've ever heard of which i'll send

00:53:44.920 well i can't send you the data but it was 10 years old you know how are you doing surgery on a 10

00:53:50.960 year old so you know how how do you what do you think this yeah what do you think the steps are

00:53:56.660 that allows surgery to happen with kids under say 16 what are they diagnosed with how is that

00:54:06.420 like a 10 year old you said even a 14 year old like what happens do they say that i'm in such

00:54:13.060 psychological torment that this is the only thing that's going to fix me that what they use it's a

00:54:18.880 tactic that i've been using i've been using it for a long time that uh they'll tell the parent

00:54:23.580 you can have a live son or a dead daughter and that would be for like a trans and and the the

00:54:30.560 majority of this movement really going on right now are girls are little girls and so they say

00:54:37.340 you can have a dead little girl or a live trans boy and that's the choice they're given and that's

00:54:43.800 a false choice you know i mean talk about god it's a logic trap of it's a it's a classic logic

00:54:51.580 trap you know it just doesn't make any sense it's not true but that's a choice if you have a phd

00:54:57.700 psychologist or a doctor or somebody else talking to a parent and the parents aren't trained and

00:55:03.260 the parents don't know and the parents love their kid and the parents want their kid to be happy

00:55:07.560 and alive if you're giving that choice to the parents and you don't know what are you going to

00:55:12.540 do you know and then the kids they don't really know what did you know when you were 12 years old

00:55:20.340 what did you know when you were 15 all of you parents out there all of you doctors all you

00:55:25.140 adults, look back when you were 15. What were you doing? Geez, if I told you what I was doing,

00:55:32.440 we were out there riding pigs and being idiots and building rafts. And it was like, we're kids.

00:55:39.440 We didn't know. So to do this, it's just, it's appalling that this has gone this far.

00:55:46.400 And I keep saying the same thing. And I know if you listen to all the words I said, if somebody

00:55:51.740 actually listens to all this they're going to be able to pick this apart and there's all kinds of

00:55:55.640 hate you can pick out little pieces and make me sound really horrible but i love all those kids

00:56:01.540 i want them to be happy i i in the in a in the grand scheme of things the the time you're talking

00:56:08.520 about for them during that two or three years of junior high and going into high school or whatever

00:56:12.520 when they're going through all that we all went through it we all had those thoughts we all had

00:56:17.140 it's just wild but we have to slow them down you know they're kids

00:56:23.900 yeah i don't think my brain grew in like i think i could remember a switch when i was about 22 to

00:56:32.760 23 like it wasn't even 18 it was 22 to 23 and i can remember thinking oh i i can just think long

00:56:40.840 term now or i understand the repercussions of my actions right because i didn't understand i just

00:56:46.340 didn't have the thought of repercussions of my actions. Not really. And then sometime between

00:56:51.700 the age of 22 and 23, it switched over. I was like, oh, okay. I think my brain just fully grew

00:56:56.920 in. Well, I mean, there's a whole bunch of tests that you do in psychology. And one of the classic

00:57:02.360 tests is a peekaboo test. So there's an age, and I think it's four years old is when they get rid

00:57:06.740 of that one thing. It's their permanence. And so, you know, when you put your peekaboo and when you

00:57:11.720 cover your eyes up the kids are like they're like really where'd you go because they don't and if

00:57:16.640 you put an object behind something and say where is it now they don't see it it's not there i think

00:57:21.580 that lasts to like four years old and then there's a whole nother series of things if you study human

00:57:26.220 development it does it's all these little things are happening with your brain and how it's

00:57:30.400 developing you know and so you're gonna have a kid that's still kind of playing peekaboo and

00:57:36.060 then start doing surgery on them you know it's just that's what they're talking about you know

00:57:41.260 it's just it's utterly ridiculous the psychological community i hold them responsible they could have

00:57:47.180 stopped this you know and i also hold the um leadership within the lgbtq community um there's

00:57:53.640 a ton of things i could talk about i could talk about the double x male syndrome which i think

00:57:58.340 they actually erased it out of the books um it used to be a lot of data at um darn what was that

00:58:06.520 there was a hospital uh don i'm sorry i can't remember there was a there was a huge study and

00:58:13.780 it was all about the double x male syndrome and some other things but um double x it would have

00:58:19.100 made it scientific what is that well it has to do with there's uh phenotypes and then genotypes

00:58:26.860 and you have to do that and then when you start going into all of this it uh it it gets very

00:58:32.200 confusing but especially if those are crossing and so and this does cross it's very common

00:58:36.840 and so we have the genotype crossing with a phenotype then you have to look at things

00:58:41.020 differently and it's actually chemical and it's how they it's it's everything you know and it's

00:58:45.800 actually a scientific thing to take a study but they don't want it to be science because it's

00:58:51.380 science it's provable and then it's only that person because here it is provable and so they

00:58:56.420 don't get to have the kind of wishy-washy feeling thing you know because right now this entire

00:59:01.880 movement everything is based on feelings you know if you take almost the entire um lgbtq community

00:59:09.040 ia i don't know how many more letters they've added i think they just added three or four more

00:59:13.380 letters um they have the red thing on there for sex workers now they're they're talking about

00:59:19.060 adding um maps minor attracted people and a bunch of other stuff but and that's the problem too is

00:59:25.080 I just keep expanding it.

00:59:26.620 So the expansion of this thing has gone to who knows where.

00:59:29.600 But I don't know, you know.

00:59:33.340 But these are things that if it's only a feeling

00:59:35.900 and that makes me part of this group, it makes me popular,

00:59:39.420 I'm no longer isolated, I'm no longer picked on

00:59:42.040 because now I have a powerful group, you know.

00:59:44.520 And everybody wants to be part of that team, you know.

00:59:46.960 You want to be part of the football team, if you're a boy,

00:59:49.620 the soccer team, the weightlifters, maybe the pot smokers,

00:59:53.680 the band guys you want to be part of one of those groups if you're all by yourself it's really hard

00:59:59.200 to survive you know and so you want to join a group and if you're that person that's just kind

01:00:04.700 of you fit in there you're just going to join that group you know that's my group and then you're now

01:00:10.020 the set and so i people just need to start studying and and i can go into that the genotypes

01:00:16.400 phenotypes i think courtney could do it way better than i could because she also studied this and

01:00:20.480 she gives me a clue on some of this stuff and i study it and then i get i know about it but i'm

01:00:25.980 not gonna be able to dig in as deep as as an expert could but i bet you there's a lot of folks

01:00:29.940 out there right now that want to look it up and i hope you do you know and i want you to look at

01:00:34.360 the science of it rather than the feeling of it you know if all it took was a feeling for me to

01:00:39.780 be a navy seal then what would that make us you know i couldn't become a navy seal because i felt

01:00:46.560 like a navy seal you know it doesn't work that way you know and nothing in life works that way

01:00:52.280 if i just feel like yeah you know nothing in life that's works the entire base of the entire

01:00:56.900 transgender and especially non-binary is just based on feelings and fashion you know and and

01:01:03.400 i fell in that trap you know i think a lot of women are falling in that trap and i hope people

01:01:08.180 start opening their eyes open look at that it's a trap wow hopefully you talking about it help

01:01:15.020 some people i know um i know from like having an autoimmune disorder myself i thought it was very

01:01:22.480 painful and i lost a lot of my life to that and i felt like the only way that i could make up for

01:01:28.880 that without being extremely angry mostly at the medical community was to stop other people from

01:01:34.700 going through the same thing so if i could help other people avoid that then i could kind of like

01:01:40.820 forgive the medical community yeah for not i'm very familiar with autoimmune diseases yeah

01:01:47.900 do you are you suffering from anything uh not me i think a very close uh okay it's okay

01:01:58.740 courtney was walking through this and courtney has an autoimmune uh disease oh no universal

01:02:05.060 on alopecia universal illness oh my gosh yeah um you should well we don't have to get this

01:02:12.300 into this on the podcast but she should give the diet i'm on a go it's not a quack diet it's what

01:02:18.940 put my myself into remission and my dad my dad had alopecia um he had alopecia yeah he had alopecia

01:02:26.420 it it went away though he had it in his 30s it went away and then he had psoriasis and then gum

01:02:32.460 disease and um just various autoimmune symptoms but i i know people with alopecia have put

01:02:38.660 themselves into remission talk about somebody who has who has lived a life if you have alopecia

01:02:43.840 universal eyes you lose all your hair and i think that happened to her she was 14 or 15 years old

01:02:48.920 so going right through the middle of like the most turmoil like the craziest time and uh talk

01:02:55.300 about somebody who's strong now somebody who is strong with spirit and character and everything

01:02:59.480 else like live a life like that when you're a kid like that and she's had it the whole time now so

01:03:04.560 decades and decades and just everything and you know when you have something like that a lot of

01:03:09.600 other things happen so and like i said everyone suffers you know just stop a lot on you know a lot

01:03:16.860 yeah it's amazing how much people can suffer and and you don't know they just show up and keep

01:03:24.180 doing their people thing but yeah i like that trying to make people smile if you want to have

01:03:29.460 a great conversation though get courtney back on here because she the women and gender studies and

01:03:33.980 the cult stuff and and her alipation a bunch of other stuff she just has so much that she could

01:03:38.600 offer that i think you'd get a real kick out of oh that sounds like fun why why did you decide to

01:03:44.920 detransition um was there something that happened no there was there was nothing well

01:03:51.960 part of it was i started loving myself i started really digging in and understanding

01:03:58.860 the concept understanding psychology like i said i started going for a master's degree

01:04:03.320 in mental health counseling and i learned so much and there's no way that anybody could learn

01:04:09.040 what you need to know about psychology or counseling or mental health or anything

01:04:13.120 if you don't take those courses and barely anybody can take all those courses you know or read all

01:04:18.400 those books and really dig into it so and that's why we have to rely on experts but uh i didn't

01:04:24.400 have that chance at the V at the VA the um the mental health counseling and and psychology

01:04:31.780 departments at the VA are just it's not good and so if you're looking for help and for me I'm living

01:04:38.120 on my retirement and I don't have a lot so I'm not gonna be able to go hire somebody or do anything

01:04:42.680 you know so I just started doing it myself and that's one of the big reasons why I started going

01:04:48.040 into the course good for you I wanted to heal myself you know I was tired of everything just

01:04:53.500 seemed bad i had pretty bad ptsd traumatic brain injury from a lot of explosions and then um i had

01:05:00.920 other stuff going on i also had a opioid issue for a while there because they were pushing those

01:05:07.000 things on so bad and once you start doing them you you do enough of them that you're going to

01:05:11.840 get stuck you know it's a it's it's one of those it's one of those things that if you if you take

01:05:17.360 some of it and you keep doing it you're going to get stuck you're done you know it's a terrible

01:05:21.760 terrible drug so i had to heal myself and then so i was doing that and right in the middle of that

01:05:28.340 i met courtney and uh for the first time in my life i truly fell in love i uh i found someone

01:05:35.380 who loved me and i loved her like 100 like holy it was um i never had that before you know and

01:05:44.780 i'll tell people who i was with before that i loved them you know but it wasn't it wasn't the

01:05:51.420 same it wasn't like that there was something missing and I think what was missing was that

01:05:56.240 I wasn't healed myself what was missing that I didn't love myself you know and you can't love

01:06:01.640 yourself how you'd expect to love somebody else and so in my healing through me going through

01:06:07.540 these schools and all these courses and reading all these books and then also me meeting you know

01:06:12.780 starting to love myself and then meeting someone else who was actually truly able to fall in love

01:06:17.180 with you know really started clicking in and so that's been a couple years now and then um

01:06:23.940 if anybody noticed i've been wearing flannel shirts all summer and 90 degree weather because

01:06:30.180 i was trying to cover myself up and just kind of hide and haven't worn makeup for a long time you

01:06:35.080 know or anything you know and then i like i was just at the point where it was like a purge like

01:06:43.300 beyond belief it was like if anything even looked even slightly feminine i would just throw it away

01:06:48.900 or burn it because i just it didn't disgust me but it made me remember my old self who was just

01:06:57.060 it was wrong you know it made me remember the pitfalls i fell into about the self-hatred and

01:07:02.920 the self-loathing you know it made me fall in a pitfall about about uh esteem you know lack of

01:07:08.440 esteem or even ego comes into it where you have to be pretty egotistical to think that you could

01:07:15.440 do something better than somebody who was born the way they were born. You know what I'm saying?

01:07:19.700 So there's all these things that I've overcome. And I did that slowly. With Courtney's help,

01:07:24.820 I was able to do it, you know, much faster than I probably could have on my own. I probably

01:07:29.580 couldn't have ever completed it on my own because it's very arduous. You know, it's you looking deep

01:07:35.920 inside of yourself and like really asking yourself the hard questions like all the questions you've

01:07:40.840 asked me you're all like yeah you know i asked myself some really hard questions you know

01:07:46.160 questions i probably could never repeat on the air you know i might in person if it's just personal

01:07:50.360 but the um there's things that you have to dig through and really really dig and then you will

01:07:57.340 start learning where you are and you'll start learning who you are and then you'll start

01:08:01.160 fall in love with yourself you know and i'm not saying that it's it sounds weird but the way i

01:08:07.020 see it is if i can look in a mirror when i wake up in the morning and this is another thing i talk

01:08:11.080 about when i'm giving speeches is that how many of you all looking at mirror when you're brushing

01:08:14.960 your teeth or shaving or whatever putting on your makeup you know and actually really look at

01:08:18.560 yourself and just say hey you're a great person i love you how many people do that you know i can

01:08:26.320 nobody you know I wasn't able to do that for a long time can you do that now I do that now all

01:08:32.960 the time wow I say thank you to myself you know I bless myself I say hey I'm grateful I'm blessed

01:08:39.420 you know I'm doing great you know if I see a mirror I say hey you're cool you know it just

01:08:46.360 it's a you we have to talk positive about ourselves we have to start seeing ourselves

01:08:49.800 as good people as a as a beautiful person as a loving person and love yourself if you don't

01:08:55.180 have gratitude for yourself, you know, you're, you're not going to get very far, you know? And

01:09:00.820 so, and that was all the things I had to learn on my own. And then finally with help, you know,

01:09:06.100 and I'm grateful that I had somebody that could help me like that. I think a lot of people are

01:09:10.640 missing that. But if you, just like when we were walking around Costco, I talked about a little

01:09:15.340 earlier, we were walking around just being friendly and just talking to people. And it was

01:09:20.100 like, we just made a whole bunch of friends, like in one day, just walking around, talking to people,

01:09:24.220 you know if you change your attitude you might find people changing their attitude back towards

01:09:29.460 you you know and i think that's probably a really big lesson for a lot of folks that

01:09:33.880 have that self-loathing or have that doubt about themselves or they have a self-esteem problem

01:09:38.980 you know you have to start with yourself first you know everybody's going to look at you the

01:09:43.260 way you look at yourself so change the way you look at yourself look in that mirror and tell

01:09:48.660 yourself how cool you are how beautiful you are how much you love yourself and then that's going

01:09:53.400 going to affect you it's going to it's going to stick on you and now when you walk out the front

01:09:56.940 door you're going to find people treating you differently and when that starts happening

01:10:01.320 your outlook is going to change and your life will change

01:10:04.560 Chris Beck you are a beautiful person that was that was really nice no that was really nice

01:10:13.200 it's like I don't talk to I talk to a lot of people but I don't talk to many people that are

01:10:17.680 just i don't like the word nice exactly uh it's kind of i think it's kind of empty but like kind

01:10:24.380 just looking to make thank you you know limit suffering everywhere because people are

01:10:30.020 already suffer enough there doesn't need to be any added suffering that was really nice um can i

01:10:36.260 can i direct anybody anywhere do you have social media do you want people to go read something

01:10:42.780 I want everybody to look at the data in Sweden.

01:10:46.940 I want you to look at the Swedish, the gender J-curve.

01:10:50.760 You can type in any of those things, and it's going to come up.

01:10:53.480 And you'll see some studies from Pink News.

01:10:55.980 But who writes Pink News?

01:10:57.400 You'll see some studies from a lot of places that poo-poo the data

01:11:01.240 and say it's all wrong.

01:11:02.620 But look at who wrote those things.

01:11:04.720 And then look at some of the scientific journals.

01:11:06.240 And the same thing goes the other way.

01:11:08.540 I can say, look at a bunch of the Christian articles about transgender stuff, and you're going to see the same thing.

01:11:14.340 There's propaganda from both sides.

01:11:15.900 I'm not saying that Christians are being propaganda, but I am saying that there is propaganda.

01:11:20.000 I want you to be aware of propaganda.

01:11:22.060 So what you have to do is you have to research it on your own.

01:11:25.120 Look that up.

01:11:26.500 And look up the XX male syndrome.

01:11:30.100 Look up gender dysphoria, gender identity disorder, rather than transgender.

01:11:35.860 And just open your minds.

01:11:37.380 you know i don't i'm fine you know i'm gonna be okay i don't want anybody to follow me or do

01:11:43.540 anything or i don't i don't it doesn't matter if you want to follow somebody follow chloe call

01:11:47.980 you know i think she's doing a really good job and she's incredibly brave you know and i want

01:11:52.360 her to do well she's had a really rough life and uh i want her to do really well from now

01:11:58.220 you know i want her to she always talks about you know meeting someone and possibly having a family

01:12:03.800 and you know bless her you know and i hope she finds that kind of happiness you know that's all

01:12:09.840 i want people to do is it's almost like the pay it forward thing you know but don't give me anything

01:12:15.980 you know except your death threats if you really need to you know but um don't and even that i

01:12:22.340 just answer them i say hey thanks a lot you know i get a lot of those that's the most infuriating

01:12:26.540 response you could give them but it's um not even do that to infuriate them i'm just like hey you

01:12:31.700 at least they're getting their anger out

01:12:33.680 I want them to get the anger out of me

01:12:35.800 if they have to kill somebody please do it

01:12:37.900 you know come on because I don't want them to do it to Chloe

01:12:40.380 I don't want them to do it to these kids

01:12:42.120 or somebody that doesn't deserve it you know

01:12:43.700 and I've already been through the war and I've already

01:12:45.700 I have a lot of scars

01:12:47.760 you know and

01:12:49.260 it doesn't matter to me

01:12:52.320 you know but Chloe doesn't

01:12:54.240 deserve that and all those kids don't deserve

01:12:56.280 that so if you want to do something

01:12:58.200 you know smile

01:13:00.080 at somebody. Give some kind words, you know, and just be nice, you know, and look at it from both

01:13:05.620 sides. Please, all of y'all on the right and the left, look at both sides. You know, don't believe

01:13:13.900 the propaganda. I don't care who you're listening to. On both sides, you're both listening to

01:13:18.000 propaganda. You know, just look at both sides and see what's going on for real. And that's,

01:13:25.100 That's about it.

01:13:27.120 That sounds good.

01:13:28.240 Thank you very much for joining me.

01:13:30.460 Yeah.

01:13:30.820 Thank you.

01:13:31.320 It was wonderful.

The Mikhaila Peterson Podcast - December 29, 2022

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