The Mikhaila Peterson Podcast - January 05, 2023


Michael Malice on Why You Should Leave New York, Bad Relationships, and The White Pill ｜ EP 176


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00:00:00.000 This is one of the most depressing, like, white pill episodes ever.
00:00:04.780 Welcome to the white pill.
00:00:06.440 So, Crohn's, people who are incompetent, the university system, fleeing New York, fleeing
00:00:12.440 Canada, our country's ruined, my city's ruined, my nephew's health is ruined.
00:00:16.500 End the year on a positive note.
00:00:18.300 Everything will be fine.
00:00:25.500 Michael Malice, welcome back to my podcast.
00:00:28.220 Thank you so much.
00:00:29.180 I am actually really, really excited to do this. Me too. This should be fun. I thought this would
00:00:35.500 be a good way to wrap up the year. Can we start on a very depressing note that I think you could
00:00:42.180 help me out a lot with? Okay. So my nephew just got diagnosed with Crohn's, which is obviously
00:00:50.380 no joke. He's five years old and my sister is just losing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's no fun.
00:00:56.860 um and my sister is kind of losing it of course you know because she's the mom and she's got to
00:01:03.000 kind of act my computer is glitching a little bit it's fine uh act all normal but since this is
00:01:08.000 something that you are so familiar with like food issues and so on and so forth do you have any
00:01:14.240 advice like especially dietary like there's got to be things that really set it off yeah things
00:01:18.640 that easier and i'm sure a lot of people listening to this have issues or have friends in the ibs
00:01:23.400 spectrum and that could be stuff that would be very informative them so i'd love to hear your
00:01:27.340 thoughts yeah for sure i've had a lot of people on crohn's go on the diet i'm on so the lion diet
00:01:33.060 and put their crohn's in remission but i mean so that's always like the last step of the diet is
00:01:40.040 do what i'm doing that seems to work for people and little kids also seem to heal really quickly
00:01:45.860 compared to having someone who's had an autoimmune disorder for 15 years go on it but i would say
00:01:51.080 if she could almost immediately eliminate all grains all processed foods um and dairy
00:01:59.720 dairy's a big one um and soy okay just just doing that might help quite a bit
00:02:07.640 now i'm gonna write this down right now yeah so all grains um anything processed she knows all
00:02:16.740 this, but it's just good to hear it from someone else. So I, and, and, uh, dairy grains, dairy
00:02:21.560 processed food. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. The big ones are like gluten, dairy, soy, getting rid of those
00:02:26.700 can help a lot. Um, and then you could just see eating as much meat as possible. Meat is the,
00:02:31.520 that's the easiest thing on the gut, contrary to popular belief, but it's totally manageable. I
00:02:36.140 mean, you have to first believe that it's manageable with diet and give it a try,
00:02:39.240 but it is manageable with diet. Um, but that's really sad. Five-year-old that's brutal.
00:02:44.460 yeah i i mean i first i was like kill me now right because it's like you have to tell this
00:02:52.520 five-year-old you're never going to be normal but then i thought to myself you know what there's
00:02:56.300 lots of like kids who have like diabetes right and it sucks and you can never have candy but
00:03:01.520 there's you can't tell me with a straight face that someone who's diabetic can't have a thriving
00:03:05.360 fulfilling wonderful life they just have to have a lifestyle that's a little different so
00:03:09.260 i looked at it that way and the fact that she was on top of it immediately
00:03:13.400 uh and that he is like such a like a resilient little kid um like you're gonna have to get the
00:03:18.980 the um good habits in place now but like yeah you know once he's old enough to understand like
00:03:24.700 when i have this this causes a flare-up and that's like not you know like that correlation thing i
00:03:30.400 don't think it's as bad the more i thought about it the more i'm like wait a minute i don't need
00:03:34.460 to jump off a bridge she doesn't need to drop a bridge it sucks but it's not anywhere near as bad
00:03:40.040 as your first gut reaction is. Yeah, I agree. Also from a parent's perspective, I know that
00:03:47.620 when I was diagnosed with arthritis, so I was seven when I was diagnosed, it like destroyed
00:03:52.360 my mom. But for me, because I was just not aware of what was going on, I was like, ew,
00:03:58.240 I have an old person disease. Like that was what I felt. But it wasn't like heartbreaking,
00:04:04.380 emotional uh trauma it was just like oh okay i have that i don't want to tell anybody about it
00:04:12.140 and that's as like far as i got mentally so i think getting diagnosed with something when you're
00:04:16.880 older is much more traumatizing than getting diagnosed when you're young even though even
00:04:21.480 though it's more heartbreaking when you're young i don't think it's as hard on the kid so at least
00:04:26.140 maybe she could take some solace in that it's probably not nearly as hard on the kid as it is
00:04:31.280 on her um and that you can treat it with diet and scarlet's she's five and she eats like a paleo
00:04:37.880 diet and what i've explained to her is sometimes at school she'll have something and then she'll
00:04:43.480 run around like crazy if it's sugar or something like that and i'll be like that was because you
00:04:47.900 ate this and she's like okay and she's old enough now to understand okay some things i eat and they
00:04:53.040 hurt my tummy and some things i eat and they do this um it's probably better to get started early
00:04:58.900 but I mean, being diagnosed with an autoimmune disorder when you're little is definitely not a
00:05:03.080 joke. Well, also it's kind of funny cause I, I had stomach issues all my life. And then when I was
00:05:09.800 in like my like late twenties, I think it was, I met someone who had Crohn's and he told me about
00:05:15.560 probiotics and they fixed me like almost overnight. And it was just such like a wonderful thing to be
00:05:20.580 able to live without discomfort. But the thing is, so this was like 15, maybe 18 years ago,
00:05:25.820 he had like stunted growth he like he had a like i don't know if he had a colostomy bag or like
00:05:30.220 just like a large section of the intestine taken out like all the good all that stuff and i was
00:05:34.540 when i heard so i heard this reaction there's diagnosis i was like oh my god this kid's like
00:05:39.940 life but my sister's like my sister like you don't understand like in those 15 years there's
00:05:45.000 been so much progress made with diagnosing and treating this condition that it used to be straight
00:05:50.660 to like a colostomy bag you're going to be malnourished he's like it's not that way anymore
00:05:54.020 like especially if you're like kind of like a whole foods kid and you're eating like a whole
00:05:57.800 food diet like she's like you're really not going to be doomed and when i heard that i was so
00:06:04.460 relieved oh good and she's already she already knows that okay yeah but it's always good to have
00:06:10.420 more information yeah yeah no i i see people i mean i see people with crazy diseases go on the
00:06:16.000 diet i'm doing and put themselves in remission but a lot of people with crohn's um especially
00:06:20.760 if you get it early if you get it later then you're you obviously there's more gut damage and
00:06:26.720 things are harder to get under control but um and the thing that's interesting is like like uh my
00:06:33.540 brother-in-law's like well at least it's not aids or something like that but the the joke is and i'm
00:06:37.900 gonna use the word joke very broadly thanks to all the research on aids there is so much more
00:06:43.100 understanding of how to fight autoimmune diseases so it kind of does spill over into other areas so
00:06:48.920 this really is yeah because i mean if you have it now they could if you get aids you i i'll tell
00:06:54.560 this story it's it's it's in poor taste but i don't care i was with my friend let's not mention
00:06:58.660 her name let's call her whatever jill and we're walking down the street in manhattan and we ran
00:07:03.620 to one of her friends right and she's and she invite him to lunch which i hate when people do
00:07:07.160 and she's like i had to do it i haven't seen him in a long time so we're having lunch it's fine
00:07:10.900 and and we're at this diner and she uh friedman's in manhattan he goes to the bathroom and she goes
00:07:16.640 oh um you know this one time when i thought he was in the hospital with the flu it was actually
00:07:22.020 full-blown aids she's like okay he's coming back from the bathroom like wait what so he comes back
00:07:26.980 but it turns out first of all i learned a couple of things a if you wash your hands enough times
00:07:31.500 they will bleed but two if you you can go from full-blown aids to undetectable now meaning he
00:07:38.900 couldn't transmit it even if he wanted that's how much under control uh aids has become thank god
00:07:44.600 so it really is so much better than you know even before you were born like you know and people it's
00:07:51.280 just like automatic a death sentence now it's not that's cool i didn't know that that's huge
00:07:57.280 to get a virus under control too yeah and to have it where it's undetectable like you can't even
00:08:03.100 pick it up on a test and to go from full-blown to that wow wow okay well the medical system
00:08:11.540 does some things properly even though a lot of the time i just spend insulting it sometimes
00:08:17.840 surgery surgery is very useful as well but wow that's impressive that's great yeah so i'm very
00:08:25.160 helpful for his future and besides we got a second one so that's a spare hey guys i finally launched
00:08:30.200 after party this is the hangover pill i have been talking about i mean it's not a hangover pill it's
00:08:35.460 an anti-hangover pill it's the pill i've been talking about on my podcast for a while it reduces
00:08:40.540 my hangovers by 75 to 80 percent I came across a study on rats when I was 20 I was dying in bed
00:08:47.720 of a hangover and I came across the study on rats given dihydromyricotin and it eliminates their
00:08:53.660 hangover and it eliminates a lot of the damage alcohol does and I can remember talking to my
00:08:58.000 friends after I sourced it online in these like sketchy powder formats being like you guys have
00:09:02.800 to try this it works and they're just like Michaela what are you talking about and they're
00:09:06.900 still suffering from hangovers so that's what happens but you can go to smartdrugs.life you
00:09:12.280 can read a bunch of scientific studies there you can order it you can use code mp for 15% off
00:09:18.200 there's a 30-day money-back guarantee I hope you guys enjoy it I never drink without it and I
00:09:24.540 wouldn't be selling a supplement because I don't supplement anything other than this for my bourbon
00:09:28.800 sodas if it didn't work it works like the diet works so check it out smartdrugs.life code mp for
00:09:34.840 15% off 30 day money back guarantee read the rat study the rat study is really funny that's it
00:09:40.680 that's all I have to say about this try it do you have horns on your chair yeah so I'm a Texan now
00:09:46.440 oh no nice supervillain chair
00:09:50.400 that's but but you know i gotta kind of um i've got does it cruella what does it it doesn't spin
00:10:04.100 too does it oh yeah it does oh my gosh so i got a cruella deville thing going so i've got like
00:10:09.980 mammoth tooth pens here and my belt is from is a hippo i don't have the belt on me but yeah i'm
00:10:17.140 I'm basically, my entire house is like a zoo.
00:10:19.980 That's hilarious.
00:10:21.000 You have a hippo belt?
00:10:22.520 Yeah, hippo leather and a giraffe leather wallet.
00:10:25.280 Oh, here's the giraffe leather wallet.
00:10:28.280 Wow.
00:10:29.100 There you go.
00:10:30.020 Texas.
00:10:30.820 I think the first time I went to Texas, I was in Fort Worth and I went into one of those
00:10:34.440 shops and there were just emaciated stuffed lions and a giraffe in there.
00:10:40.640 I was like, this is what Texas is.
00:10:43.480 I think this was 2018.
00:10:44.600 like this is horrifying but i was also in i think i was in antidepressant withdrawal at the time so
00:10:50.560 everything was kind of horrifying but these stuffed animals i was like this is terrifying
00:10:54.900 there are chandeliers that are just made out of antlers and things it's messed up i'm just
00:11:00.640 imagining hey scarlet we got you a stuffed animal i don't want this no no no you can we'll put it by
00:11:07.860 your bed while you sleep this is just emaciated lion yeah like the eyes are sparkling in the dark
00:11:15.980 yeah that's good that's kind of how i felt in fort worth that was also the first time i saw a child
00:11:24.220 riding a sheep at a rodeo that's a thing yeah yeah yeah huh i never heard of that it's worth
00:11:33.000 seeing fort worth rodeos they have a whole bunch of their five-year-olds and they put them on sheep
00:11:38.300 to ride sheep around i don't i feel like a sheep's back isn't particularly strong
00:11:42.300 i don't know it works okay it works is worth seeing so what are you doing we okay the purpose
00:11:54.860 of this podcast yeah was to talk about positive things just to talk talk crap for an hour and a
00:12:02.200 half. No, to talk about positive things, what you're looking forward to in the future, what
00:12:06.860 you're happy about in the past year. Do you want to start with good things that have happened in
00:12:12.660 the last year? Sure. I mean, we're going to talk again when you finish reading my book,
00:12:19.120 but my book, The White Pill, I was working on it for two and a half years. So getting that baby out
00:12:22.940 of me was just something I'm very happy about, very pleased about. It's selling well, so I can
00:12:31.160 kind of cathartic i think it was more like an exorcism because you know well i'm writing about
00:12:37.380 all these horribly suffering people who have like their stories just been swept under the rug and
00:12:42.860 and kind of know what happened the soviet union like what why is communism so bad what does it
00:12:47.500 mean in practice and when you just hear story after story you know there's that whole line about like
00:12:51.560 one murders one death is a murder like one death is a murderer and a million deaths is a statistic
00:12:57.100 right so each one of those people there's literally millions of people for decades you know had a
00:13:02.600 story of you know oppression my my buddy trey was just in the museum of communism in prague which i
00:13:08.880 highly recommend to everyone if they're in prague and that was the first time that it kind of hit me
00:13:14.380 the extent to what my family had to go through you know i was born in the soviet union we escaped
00:13:19.180 when i was you know before i could remember i was like one and a half or two but that whole idea of
00:13:23.520 it's literally every aspect of your life. There's nowhere else to go, right? If there's a political
00:13:28.440 system we don't like here in America, let's say you hate Trump or you hate progressives,
00:13:32.700 you could still, to some extent, get away from it. You could talk to people who are different,
00:13:37.800 or you could read websites or read books. You can't do that. It's 24-7. And it not only affects
00:13:43.760 your ideology, it's also the material stuff. There's no food. You're cold. It's just constant.
00:13:49.920 And like to have that as your background music since the time you're born is something I think it's almost impossible for us in the West, except for maybe some Cubans, you know what I mean, in America, to kind of wrap their heads around.
00:14:03.520 So kind of telling that story was very, I think, cathartic.
00:14:07.580 I feel like it needs to be discussed so much more.
00:14:11.500 And I mean, it's discussed in the context of like you have like conservatives yelling that Biden's a Marxist and all this other kind of stuff.
00:14:17.240 stuff but it's not really discussed what this was like you know the second world for that long so
00:14:23.000 I think kind of telling these people's story was something that I feel like I can go meet
00:14:28.700 my maker and be like okay you kind of did your part well good for you that's I'm interested I'm
00:14:35.740 looking forward to reading that book I've had so I left and I don't want to compare Canada to the
00:14:41.040 Soviet Union because the Soviet Union was on a completely different level yes but I know that
00:14:45.760 how I feel being in Canada is a stress just a societal stress that I don't experience in Florida
00:14:52.220 and everybody there so I am comparing them but I also recognize that it's not the same but I think
00:15:01.140 there's a little bit of it there where everybody thinks the same thing so you know they're like
00:15:07.560 people are still wearing masks there and everyone's stressed out and everybody thinks like that
00:15:12.700 so is and you can't really find people who don't you know even if they kind of don't they're still
00:15:19.000 like oh no no this is how you should think right and it's stressful being there yeah my parents
00:15:24.080 were super stressed going even from australia back to canada they're like oh we're in canada
00:15:27.980 again it's just like there's an underlying fear or something there it's creepy but it's also the
00:15:36.680 of thing we're like in the states even as divided as we are and hopefully are going to increasingly
00:15:43.080 become you are painfully well yeah i wanted a national divorce you are painfully aware that
00:15:49.960 there are people who think the other side of you right there's you can't really get away from like
00:15:54.040 alternative points of view whether you know you hate whether you're progressive whether you're
00:15:58.120 republican you're going to be sensing that other perspective but that and even in new york you know
00:16:04.280 which is very liberal city you're still going to have plenty of people who are like you know
00:16:07.400 screw all this but i think despite canada's great diversity in thought there is a great
00:16:13.900 deal of homogeneity so this kind of idea that like it's not even that they would disagree with
00:16:19.360 you it's i feel like it's more like what are you even talking about it's just like yeah like a
00:16:23.320 crazy person it's like wait even if i'm wrong everyone i know who agrees with me i know agrees
00:16:29.060 with me so you're not making any sense so it's even if they want to be kind of open-minded
00:16:34.000 from their perspective you're like a flat earther yeah yeah yeah that's what's crazy about that place
00:16:40.480 in america you're aware that there are people even if you hate them you're aware that there
00:16:44.360 are people on the other side and canadians i think have always been brought up in a
00:16:48.100 we're the reasonable country we've always been the reasonable country we haven't been like america
00:16:52.940 americans are kind of crazy they're out there on both sides canada's always been in the middle
00:16:57.900 and reasonable and now that reasonable has just you know they still think they're reasonable but
00:17:04.340 it's so far i don't know if it's left or if it's just an impingement on freedom but there's
00:17:11.140 definitely a stress there that you don't experience in in florida like people are still scared it's
00:17:17.180 very unfortunate because toronto is is such a cool place it's creepy i love toronto it's also
00:17:24.920 they could say with a straight face i can steal man their argument trudeau's the moderate the
00:17:30.500 ndp of the left the conservative the tories are the conservative are the right the liberals trudeau's
00:17:36.200 party are in the center so like if you think trudeau's too far to the left something's wrong
00:17:40.840 with you like and you can see how they get to that conclusion yeah it's wild anyway i'm glad i'm not
00:17:48.320 there anymore and i'm glad i was able to you know and and it's still illegal for canadians
00:17:54.980 to come here if they are not vaccinated oh i know okay that's crazy because you can go there
00:18:04.140 right but nobody's talking about how people who aren't american can't come to america unless
00:18:09.440 they're not vaccinated yeah now i've heard that they aren't checking like they used to
00:18:14.480 that people have kind of stopped checking but that doesn't mean that the laws have changed
00:18:18.640 airport who's going to roll those dice at the airport that's crazy no yeah nobody i know it's
00:18:24.280 nuts yeah that that's just they're like yeah yeah we're letting everything covid go but also if you
00:18:29.700 haven't been vaccinated you can't come to our country still and and what that means in practice
00:18:34.640 is the tourism industry which means working families
00:18:37.420 yeah yeah i feel like people aren't jumping up and down about that like they were about a lot
00:18:46.480 of the mask mandates i i don't think it's on the radar screen as much because it's so weird
00:18:52.920 um and second they just renewed it i think it's going to be around until april i think they said
00:18:57.480 it's just it's so weird and it's not like canada some like awful third world country where you have
00:19:04.460 some weird kind of like parasite right you come in here and you're going to spread it and everyone's
00:19:08.520 going to get that amoeba that goes in your eyes that's not that's canada it's but the biggest
00:19:14.080 undefended border on earth but still yeah you can't get medicine there i went there and i tried
00:19:21.000 to get cough syrup for scarlet and i couldn't get cough syrup like shoppers drug mart they're out of
00:19:25.880 kids medicine wait in all in canada in canada yeah so this isn't everywhere people in the
00:19:32.480 comments gonna be like well but no in general there's a massive children's medicine shortage
00:19:37.060 in canada and right now emergency rooms are overrun because rsv because kids have not been
00:19:43.220 outside in like what three years basically and in canada like specifically a very long time they're
00:19:51.040 getting rsv and rsv is already dangerous for kids um they're getting it worse so emergency rooms
00:19:56.640 are having issues they've had issues forever because they've always been terrible
00:19:59.980 but they're the rsv is way worse and it's very difficult to get any type of
00:20:04.480 like cough medicine tylenol for kids it's like it look gives you communism vibes in there
00:20:10.280 how are the kids supposed to trip i don't know the scissor they're all out of scissor
00:20:19.280 we got the we got the lean but now we need we need the medicine
00:20:25.820 these poor children i don't even know where scissor was being stored in my brain
00:20:33.540 the good old days the whitest girl on earth knows what scissor
00:20:40.300 oh yeah it's um there there was a rough period of time pretty much the entire time being a teenager
00:20:48.460 i definitely knew what scissor was uh that's funny that's good so okay moving away from
00:20:56.120 scissor and lean though um you mentioned that you'd be totally okay if we had a national divorce
00:21:01.160 yeah i was the first one to get people started talking about this when i had a piece in early
00:21:07.540 2016 i brought it back into like natural consciousness um i think that it's i think
00:21:13.720 it's definitely heading in that direction uh i think it's very healthy i think america has had
00:21:19.340 at least two ruling ideologies since the beginning and we've been held together with like masking
00:21:25.280 tape and staples and i don't see any good reason and few bad ones to continue this charade that
00:21:32.900 we're one culture it's only a little confusing because the language the shared language and the
00:21:38.040 shared history but language is decreasingly shared in that you have different popular like
00:21:44.060 for example even journalists if you're going to talk about like one article on the right we'll
00:21:49.080 talk about tax increases the other we'll talk about revenue generation like pronouns you know
00:21:54.500 different terms are used in different ways to these separate cultures and of course each of
00:21:59.080 those two broader metacultures have subcultures there's nothing holding this country together
00:22:05.040 everyone hates each other so why continue with this it's just like yeah it's gonna be a painful
00:22:11.260 conversation and how do you divide it who gets the nukes but these are all the questions that
00:22:15.300 go on in a negotiation and i think the faster we get started with this the better i don't think
00:22:22.180 there's any way that would ever happen not opposed to it i just don't see how it would ever happen
00:22:27.080 well what is california and new york are they going to be together i can prove you wrong
00:22:31.020 that i can prove you wrong if i asked you and everyone listening to this in 2014 which was
00:22:38.740 eight years ago which of these two things is more likely texas declares its independence
00:22:44.520 from america or donald trump gets elected president literally 99 of the people listening
00:22:51.380 to this would say the first one yeah and they'd be correct so it's i mean it doesn't have to be
00:22:57.760 50 50 it could be just texas and i was on the blaze for election night and we all had to do
00:23:04.500 our national divorce map and i had texas as one thing and then for the rest i wrote idgaf like
00:23:09.640 i don't give an f for the rest of the country like you guys could do what you want like as long
00:23:13.240 as texas reclaims its sovereignty we'll be fine you were already living in texas at that point
00:23:19.240 or no oh yeah i've been here for a year yeah yeah i think florida is better than texas
00:23:27.760 So I'm more of a fan of Florida.
00:23:29.880 How is Florida?
00:23:31.300 Listen, this is the kind of rivalry I could get my hand behind.
00:23:34.400 I was actually very disappointed.
00:23:36.100 And as a former lifelong New Yorker shocked that we're at a point now where L.A. is better than New York City.
00:23:43.120 I was just in New York over the summer because Tim Pool had put up a billboard of me in Times Square.
00:23:47.860 So I'm like, all right, bucket list.
00:23:48.840 I got to go see this thing in person.
00:23:50.360 And then I was in L.A. as well.
00:23:51.880 And I'm like, holy crap, I'd rather be in L.A.
00:23:54.000 It's less screwed up, less unsafe.
00:23:56.620 more happening, more thriving, more upbeat. It was just very, very sad to see. But I am
00:24:04.840 very happy here in Texas. And there's lots of friends I have in Florida who are also
00:24:10.460 former New Yorkers, including my family and my aforementioned sister and nephews. So
00:24:14.900 they're having a great time there. So I don't miss New York. Well, no, I miss New York with
00:24:21.200 every fiber of my being but uh she's dead so i don't need to see this kind of corpse that they're
00:24:28.220 beating the crap out of on a daily basis it hurts that's interesting so i don't i'm not that familiar
00:24:35.460 with new york i've been to new york twice this year i thought compared to toronto it was doing
00:24:43.300 okay but i it wasn't really in it so i don't really know what the difference was i went to
00:24:47.600 california though i thought california was in pretty rough shape it's it might be doing better
00:24:52.380 than toronto but it's not doing better than it was so i left in august of 2021 and i'm like all
00:24:58.840 right it's been a year you know things have settled down with with these absurdities of
00:25:03.960 these lockdowns and mandates whatever and i came back and it was like a good 25 percent of store
00:25:09.460 fronts were still unopened um it's the crime is and like when you're a new yorker you just kind
00:25:14.920 to pick up on, say, vibes. They were through the roof compared to what it used to be.
00:25:18.620 Oh, yeah. I said this before. I was within an hour of being there. I saw a guy peeing on a truck
00:25:25.600 in the street, not on the sidewalk. And people are like, oh, that's just New York for you. I'm
00:25:29.440 like, no, it's not. I've been there all my life. That's not a thing. Maybe you'll see someone
00:25:33.280 peeing against the building, but against the truck in the street and during the daylight,
00:25:38.160 you know what I mean? Right next to McDonald's, mind you. And all the places I wanted to hit
00:25:42.660 we're gone like if i'm you know i've said this point i don't even know how many times
00:25:46.500 by now if i want to open up a restaurant or a boutique or a cool stationary store
00:25:52.440 all the already it was like if you can make it there you can make it anywhere right so already
00:25:56.780 the deck was stacked against you at coming to new york to do that but now it's it's just a complete
00:26:02.480 absolute almost impossibility it's bad especially because there's so many other cities that are up
00:26:08.260 and coming and thriving, like go there and be that big fish in the small pond. And you're just
00:26:13.920 going to have the time of your life doing it. So I think that's the thing that Austin and Miami,
00:26:18.380 to some extent Nashville as well, is my understanding. Like these are the cities
00:26:21.820 where people are refugees from their own countries. And they're this kind of communities
00:26:26.040 that are coming up are just really exciting. Hear, hear. I agree. I agree. I'm glad you're
00:26:33.820 having a good time in Austin that's fun especially having to uproot yourself but you have a bunch of
00:26:39.740 friends there right do you just party all the time how often do you see other people
00:26:43.560 I see them all the time like that was the thing I didn't realize towards the end of New York
00:26:49.440 is how lonely it got and it wasn't just lonely because of lockdown stuff it was lonely because
00:26:55.020 it's like you're playing poker right and at certain points people like all right I'm out
00:26:58.360 I'm out like that's the straw that's the straw and like one by one my friends got picked off
00:27:02.860 and then you just and then also like once you leave it you don't appreciate how brutal the
00:27:08.400 winters are you don't want to leave the house it gets dark early you're in this kind of bunker
00:27:13.220 mode and just when you think you can't take another week of it that's when it gets warm
00:27:16.340 that's like the seduction of new york and you're and then you get to walk around it's warm and it's
00:27:20.080 fun and great and then like every year lather runs repeat and now i'm here with 80 degrees this week
00:27:25.280 you know in december and i'm like i don't miss that cold weather like i miss having an opportunity
00:27:30.580 wear all these cool sweaters i own but like that's a price i'm willing to pay so uh it's it's there's
00:27:37.920 such um a venn diagram here of cool people you know making things happen there's so many different
00:27:44.720 scenes the biohacking scene there's the the the crypto scene there's the podcasting scene there's
00:27:49.800 the comedy scene uh and there's just like just and there's that whole kind of white people whole
00:27:54.060 food scene um which i'm not particularly party to but there's just so much great stuff happening
00:27:59.260 here and everyone knows each other so that kind of sense of community is something new york definitely
00:28:04.380 used to have and completely lost and now to have it rediscovered here is just really exciting i
00:28:10.460 have turned my space into my house into like kind of a uh like um like an event place and when people
00:28:15.900 come by i throw parties for them and everyone gets together and you know kind of bros out it's really
00:28:20.580 fun that's fun i don't have that in florida yet i think because i haven't met that many people and
00:28:28.220 I'm kind of a, I don't go out a ton. I have the people I work with. We're very good friends.
00:28:33.600 All the people I pay to be friends with me are friends with me, but well, I'm going to be there
00:28:37.500 next. I'm going to be there next month. We're doing like a trip and I'm like, all right,
00:28:41.240 who wants to come Miami? It's like 11 of us. So we're going to get like a mansion Airbnb and
00:28:47.300 it's going to basically be like rock of love or something. It's going to be so much fun.
00:28:51.860 Okay. Amazing. That sounds, that sounds great. Miami's great. I love it. What's the worst thing
00:28:57.320 about Austin? The worst thing about Austin is it kind of closes down early. There's not that much
00:29:06.420 to do. Like New York, there was always something to do. And here, like there's not really that
00:29:13.100 it's much more something to do is like going to people's houses and socializing as opposed to
00:29:19.280 like going to a museum, going to, you know, some cool restaurant. That's not as much of a thing
00:29:24.080 here. So that's a little frustrating, but like, you know, I've got a buddy and we just go to
00:29:28.020 different places all the time and hang out and we're discovering more and more. So, uh, that,
00:29:32.980 that kind of is a problem. It's a problem that's getting better every day. So that's kind of
00:29:36.340 exciting about it. Okay. That's cool. Um, I feel like Miami's got the opposite problem.
00:29:43.400 I keep making dinner plans. I made dinner plans at six and was just laughed at. They're like,
00:29:48.600 no, no, no. Dinner is at nine. Then you go to the bar at 12. And then at 4.00 AM, there's a
00:29:53.760 performance i was like what 4 a.m i can't handle that well i go to bed at two what time do you go
00:30:01.200 to bed okay well since i met jordan um he's just destroyed apparently he had a good sleep schedule
00:30:10.100 before he met me too and we've just destroyed each other's sleep schedule from like working
00:30:14.580 too late and like talking too much it's basically enjoying each other it's good it's enjoying each
00:30:19.740 other's company enough that it's disrupting my sleep schedule and making me into a worse person
00:30:24.900 so it's not ideal but i used to go to sleep at 10 30 like i need to go to sleep at 10 30
00:30:30.400 um and now i probably go to sleep at like 12 or midnight uh 12 or 1 probably and it needs it needs
00:30:40.280 this is what happens when you go to sleep late i was um no it's it's i was making fun of my
00:30:47.100 destroying my brain I had a friend from Prague I have a friend from Prague Simon and he has a
00:30:51.640 funny accent so we always make fun of him like he's like for some like Martian country and like
00:30:56.500 I just told him that what do you guys have like a 36 hour day over there and like you know you
00:31:00.440 don't whatever and we went to a cafe and the cafe said it was open until 14 at 14 a.m and I'm like
00:31:07.060 look I told you guys have a 36 hour day here he's like what the hell is that so yeah but it's funny
00:31:12.860 so i like being a night owl um because there's something a little like kind of cool about being
00:31:19.860 outside when everyone's asleep you just feel like like like you're kind of a rule breaker and like
00:31:24.800 the easiest way possible oh i don't know i can't do it anymore and i feel like my mom always went
00:31:32.140 to bed at like 9 30 or 10 and she'd just disappear she just disappear and my dad would be like
00:31:38.920 did your mom go to sleep without saying anything again and that was like just every single night
00:31:46.620 and and now he goes to bed early too but i i can feel her in me making me tired enough that i get
00:31:56.140 i get like rageful if i stay up like it hurts my body staying up i used to go to bed at two
00:32:03.220 no problem and like I can't do it I get right I do it I have to wake up wake up early I'm
00:32:10.540 really a nasty nasty piece of work um if I don't get my sleep if I wake up early I can't do it
00:32:18.260 okay okay so I think the problem with me is I have to wake up early so I'm waking up early
00:32:23.940 and going to sleep so going to sleep late is kind of the equivalent of waking up too early
00:32:28.380 I know that the later I stay up the less sleep I'm getting and it makes me rageful
00:32:33.220 so what are you what are you optimistic and happy about I mean getting married's a big one
00:32:40.660 yeah getting married was great that was fantastic um I was always worried probably in a relationship
00:32:50.700 that I'd get bored yeah uh because I get bored of I get bored I need a lot of different activities
00:32:56.860 to do I wouldn't be able to just have like one job get bored of the job so I was always worried
00:33:02.940 I'd get bored and it hasn't been I mean it hasn't been super long still a short relationship but
00:33:08.280 I'd usually get bored around the nine month mark pretty standardly and I'm most definitely not
00:33:14.880 bored so that's a huge relief because I had like I had decided as a person especially going through
00:33:21.500 a divorce and having a kid i had decided okay i'm going to be by myself forever and i had just become
00:33:28.720 okay with that because i was pretty good at being alone too yeah it was like having a kid and being
00:33:33.720 alone is quite lonely it like adds a level of loneliness having a kid at the same time even
00:33:38.680 though it's another person um but i've gotten used to the idea of being alone so not being alone is
00:33:43.740 so much better i'm such an extroverted person that i would rather spend i was actually i was
00:33:48.680 talking to chris williamson about this because i was like i i actually enjoy spending 95 of my time
00:33:55.520 or even like 98 of my time with another person if i like that other person okay like whether that's
00:34:01.940 friends or or a relationship i like i hate being alone even if i'm working i used to go work in
00:34:08.020 cafes so i was so at least there were people around me and he said he was like the opposite
00:34:13.540 it he'd rather spend 95 of his time alone it's like i don't like that at all to be like that
00:34:20.540 until very recently and i don't know what changed in me but i always consider myself to be a
00:34:27.100 hardcore introvert i still do but now i'm realizing that if i don't like see someone every day or like
00:34:32.660 fairly regularly i start to go crazy and that i'm not as introverted as i thought i was now that
00:34:39.020 that being said, I don't think most people are, are fun to spend extended amounts of time with.
00:34:47.360 Um, like, like you said, like a lot of people, like they're just, it's just like small talk or
00:34:51.740 like, you know, their opinions on whatever's in the news. And it's like, you, you get, you're not
00:34:55.920 going to have that kind of intense fun. I took something away from this. I don't want to have
00:35:00.620 a conversation with someone. I want to have an experience with someone, right? Like a story,
00:35:03.640 like let's do something awesome. Let's tell me something amazing. Like that, those kinds of
00:35:07.620 relationships are the kinds of things that make life just so much more exciting and interesting
00:35:12.740 and not that many people can deliver that. But yeah, the other thing that's a problem that I had
00:35:19.440 to learn is when your brain tries to get you to isolate when it's not doing well. So if you are
00:35:26.960 feeling lonely, it'll tell you not to reach out to people and then it becomes this spiral
00:35:30.520 and you have to override it and be like, okay, my brain's giving me the absolute worst advice.
00:35:35.000 go out and hang out with someone you like uh even just go get ice cream it doesn't matter
00:35:39.460 just do something and it'll you'll human beings are much more social animals than we let ourselves
00:35:44.260 realize even those of us who are like fiercely independent yeah i agree that's that's what's
00:35:51.820 rough about depression too i think is that you get depressed and then your brain tells you to
00:35:56.300 be by yourself and then that contributes to being depressed and yeah like you said that's rough
00:36:02.580 but good things good things so getting getting married was good i actually had to deal with that
00:36:09.160 in the last week because the book came out which i've been working for so long and then like there
00:36:14.340 was a little issue with amazon with the pricing which was resolved in a day and they haven't even
00:36:19.020 sent them out yet right and like it was kind of a big um anti-climax it's not like a movie premiere
00:36:26.260 where you have the premiere and there's a red carpet and everyone's there right it's like the
00:36:29.240 book's out. And then it's kind of like crickets, even though the sales are very good. It was like
00:36:33.600 the top new release in politics for the week. Take that corporate publishers. And then I was
00:36:37.920 talking to my buddy and she's like, you're, you're so used to media where you put out a tweet or a
00:36:44.640 YouTube and you get instant feedback that when you didn't get that, you're thinking this is like
00:36:50.240 a flop, even though you haven't even started your promotion tour. So no wonder you're like
00:36:55.280 feeling like all like all kinds of way and when I realized that I'm like holy crap this is as old
00:37:00.020 media as it gets like books give it time to breathe that hasn't even reached people's hands
00:37:04.220 yet then I was like oh okay yeah yeah I can relax I just I am someone who's very bad and I'm sure a
00:37:10.000 lot of your listeners are the same way someone who's very bad at relaxing and telling myself
00:37:15.880 it's okay to have a day where you're just messing around and watching shitty tv and and just not
00:37:22.080 doing anything, it's, it's fine. You know what I mean? Like, but it's hard for me to do that
00:37:25.980 sometimes, especially after two years of working on something that's so intense to kind of, and
00:37:31.120 it's like, it's, it's okay. Like to take a week off after two years of producing a book that
00:37:35.600 you're very proud of. Oh yeah. A hundred percent. I'm terrible at that as well. And it's, it's silly
00:37:42.700 because you can burn yourself out. You can't just work all the time. You actually need to take the
00:37:47.200 rest time to recover so you can be more productive but i have such like guilt and an antsy feeling
00:37:55.160 if i'm not working on something or pushing a project forward or making progress in some way
00:38:00.940 uh yeah i know i'm terrible at that so i feel you i feel you but also for for you i mean have you
00:38:09.500 you haven't started podcasting and talking about the book yet right
00:38:13.620 yeah like this is like this is the first one this isn't even real the real one you haven't
00:38:19.360 read it yet so i've got all these shows booked in january um i haven't even gotten my physical
00:38:24.360 copies i just got these like author copies not for resale so i can't even you know what i mean
00:38:28.340 that's cool maybe when i get my own copies then i could start yeah yeah so it was fun um yeah so
00:38:34.260 it's it's uh it's it's just um it's exciting to have it done um and i i really am thinking 2023
00:38:43.800 is going to be a very good the thing is a lot of people i know and i want to hear your thoughts
00:38:48.620 with like the people you know are really going through it right now and i reached out to another
00:38:53.380 friend of mine and because she's you know has to deal with has had to deal with postpartum after
00:38:57.400 her kid and i asked her for feedback she goes you don't understand like everyone i know right now
00:39:01.080 is just kind of suffering in some way and it's not you and books are hard and i'm like oh okay
00:39:06.000 that made me relieved but i feel like a lot of people i know are really just kind of not in a
00:39:11.500 good way has that been your experience with your like social group you know um honestly i don't
00:39:19.600 not really a couple of months ago it was a couple of months ago i had like it was ridiculous i had
00:39:26.920 Like six major serious work issues come up, like serious work issues come up in the same
00:39:33.240 week.
00:39:33.700 Like it all happened at the same time.
00:39:35.080 And I was asking people and everyone was talking about how they were having a rough time.
00:39:39.300 So I feel like the impacts also of COVID and how weird it's made the world hasn't worn
00:39:45.200 off on people.
00:39:47.080 I think my experience is a little bit different because I dealt with my dad being so sick
00:39:51.420 for like two solid years.
00:39:54.280 So there was just nothing.
00:39:55.500 that was so awful that anything now is not like that that was just like movie drama bad um so
00:40:05.060 things are pretty good i'm physically exhausted and i think i might be coming down with a
00:40:10.240 horrifying toddler flu but um other than that things are pretty good yeah so this might be
00:40:17.000 my last podcast we'll see if i make it through that whatever scarlet has children are a blessing
00:40:22.240 it's funny like i didn't what else so what else are you hopeful about for
00:40:30.120 uh the next year like is there something big project that's like on the shelf or something
00:40:34.300 oh yes yes uh i've been working on peterson academy i saw the logos yeah i like them oh
00:40:43.600 yeah yeah we're trying to we put it up on twitter and for like the first time
00:40:47.860 in my experience of twitter people were helpful they're like well kind of they're like that sucks
00:40:52.980 you shouldn't use either of them it's awful but here are some alternatives and there were some
00:40:57.040 good ideas in there so we're making different iterations of uh of the logo now but i've been
00:41:02.820 working pretty hard on peterson academy we're going to launch late next year okay and so that's
00:41:08.620 i'm so excited about that i think it's going to be huge hopefully we completely decimate the
00:41:14.420 current university system which is just such a scam um so i think if it was just a scam i would
00:41:22.020 feel a lot less contempt and animosity towards these people if it was just like you gotta you
00:41:29.060 know like how um if it's just like you gotta pay 100 grand to get this piece of paper to have this
00:41:33.680 job and it's just a con like i can wrap my head around it but the fact that they're turning so
00:41:38.460 many people into like camille palia who's like probably my biggest role model she just made the
00:41:44.400 comment that college campuses are institutionalized neurosis, that they make people mentally ill by
00:41:51.020 design. The fact that they're harming so many people, even the debt aside, that to me is the
00:41:56.740 real problem. And what I'm most excited about is, you know, the three legs of the cathedral stool
00:42:01.580 are the government, the media, and the universities. And the universities, in my opinion, are
00:42:08.960 not only the most malevolent but also have been the most beyond most untouchable because government
00:42:16.580 people attack politicians constantly that's their job they know it's their job they're going to get
00:42:20.200 you run for an office the other person is going to call you a demon that's that's part of the gig
00:42:23.640 uh media you've had media criticism it's amped up and journalists especially now in in canada are
00:42:30.200 like crying that like wherever they go they just get inundated with uh nowhere near as much a
00:42:36.720 hatred and animosities they deserve. But college professors, no one ever talked like other than
00:42:43.540 people or public figures like your dad or, you know, Steven Pinker, for example, they were kind
00:42:49.440 of like totally behind the barricades. And now, thanks to social media, they are really feeling
00:42:56.700 the fire. And anything that gets them to lose their status and respectability and clout is just
00:43:05.600 the most wonderful and that is what's going to save america is defeating this the enemy class
00:43:10.180 so the fact that it it is already in 2020 and i think literally all the signs are in the positive
00:43:16.840 direction yeah if i had to choose between a harvard degree and starting a business at age 18
00:43:22.380 and like being self-taught through either the peterson academy or youtube videos i would still
00:43:27.420 choose the harvard degree because that credential is as good as it gets but that lead is shrinking
00:43:33.080 daily and it's not going to last for much longer and already it's the case that there are some
00:43:38.860 startups where they see an ivy league credential and they think two things this person is probably
00:43:45.060 very bright and this person is probably going to be trouble because they're going to be bringing
00:43:48.340 their infected ideology and causing a problem for me in my office and like i don't have enough
00:43:53.900 bullshit on my desk running this startup that i need to deal with their fucking two cents about
00:43:59.380 every and politicizing literally everything so i think that is something that is going to be
00:44:04.720 changing in an entirely positive direction in the next five to ten years and i don't see how
00:44:10.160 they recover from it in the same way as publishing like it wasn't that long ago five ten years that
00:44:16.260 like so i'm gonna choose to publish me or penguin around house it's still a major deal but now like
00:44:21.680 people like me david goggins there's like no shortage of people who are putting their work
00:44:25.720 out themselves it's not in the bookstores but it's still on amazon goggins i think is it's still on
00:44:30.300 amazon the same as any other book and it's like what that random house um credential gave me
00:44:36.220 is almost now entirely worthless if not a detriment i've been trying to kind of talk to dad about that
00:44:42.440 he's like yeah but it's penguin because he wanted to be published by penguin for so long like
00:44:46.700 throughout his life it was like nobody cares anymore yeah no one cares anymore it doesn't
00:44:51.220 matter because i'm sorry like if you ask people on the street which is a bigger credential jordan
00:44:56.380 peterson or penguin it's really not a lot of people hate him but i don't think even me who
00:45:02.440 works in who's got how many dozen books in his belt if someone says i'm with penguin i'm not like
00:45:08.080 or as opposed to like oh i have an interview with jordan peterson like which of those two things
00:45:12.500 is going to be more impressive right it's it's it's night and day yeah crazy crazy we're trying
00:45:19.960 of so with Peterson Academy we're trying to get around the the accreditation part we're trying to
00:45:25.260 get accredited first of all and it would be absolutely crazy if we could get kind of up-to-date
00:45:30.780 eight-hour courses taught in a you know either freestyle lecture or kind of Q&A if we can get
00:45:36.960 that kind of thing accredited that would be insane but I I've also been thinking like if you can get
00:45:43.640 a degree and you can show employers that this degree is valuable if you can go to employers
00:45:48.720 and say hey this is a peterson academy student would you hire them and they say yes then then
00:45:54.520 the degree part kind of becomes worthless yes if it's supposed to lead to a job all you need to do
00:46:00.020 is become a student that's good enough to get hired and so yeah i think it's silly like the
00:46:05.680 harvard degree yes it's worth a lot just to get that degree but um it's not it's not useful right
00:46:13.200 compare and and it's ridiculous that you can go on youtube and you can go online and you can learn
00:46:18.600 way more in a shorter period of time than you can at university but that's not taken seriously
00:46:24.120 so there's this gap right now and hopefully peterson academy can kind of fill that niche
00:46:30.760 because there's a huge niche of an area that's an issue so i'm very excited for that yeah and i don't
00:46:38.560 think they see it coming i think in their minds and they're not entirely wrong harvard will always
00:46:44.120 be harvard like the catholic church will also always be the catholic church you'll always be
00:46:47.020 the pope but what the pope is now is not what the pope was you know 200 years ago and same with
00:46:53.480 harvard what it is now it does not have to be what it was 20 years ago 50 years ago and it's still
00:46:58.460 going to be a great shit to have and it's just like great okay you went to harvard but to have
00:47:02.240 that be the be all and end all i mean it's because there's so many young people and i'm sure in your
00:47:06.940 audience as well who are like the tools are there shopify with a big cartel whatever it is who are
00:47:12.680 out there making something happen and if you have a job interview and you're like i don't have a
00:47:17.320 degree but like i started this t-shirt company and this is how much sales we make and i understand
00:47:21.580 the inside and out like i want to hire that kid as opposed to someone who has a degree who hasn't
00:47:27.440 accomplished anything i mean that's the the biggest you know to be a pragmatist in a philosophical
00:47:32.720 sense the biggest proof of the efficacy of some philosophy is that it actually works and this kid
00:47:39.100 has shown that it works yeah yeah for sure i know and i'm probably more biased uh well i'm way more
00:47:47.620 biased than maybe the average employer but i've hired a couple of people and i'm not saying
00:47:51.980 everyone from columbia has this issue but i hired a couple of people who had master's degrees
00:47:57.060 from columbia being like oh this person is going to be right so awful such awful human beings
00:48:05.640 that now i'm unfortunately anyone who has a columbia degree i'm like oh my gosh just in
00:48:11.940 case they're like that those other people i hired from columbia that's going to be an issue
00:48:15.400 then i've hired people who've been doing social media and are making money on their own
00:48:19.980 and have an online product and understand like you said shopify or something they're like hey
00:48:25.240 i'm 21 but i've built this whole thing i'm like okay you're like you take take you while you're
00:48:32.520 young you're going to be a very useful person as opposed to someone who's like 30 and has a master's
00:48:38.800 degree and thinks that they're smarter than you and they also have the thing with those 30 year
00:48:43.000 old those columbia people is they have this sense of entitlement but also what's worse is that
00:48:48.340 there's no sense of shame in this and the idea of if they screw up something really bad because i
00:48:54.000 was a business major but there's something they beat into us like you if you are given ownership
00:48:59.120 of like a project or part of a project or project as you would say like you have to make sure that
00:49:03.660 you it's it buck stops here but with them it's like oh i didn't get around to doing it or oops
00:49:08.520 and it's like you screwed up this whole thing and it's just like people make mistakes it's like
00:49:12.920 but you're in charge this was your responsibility and there's they completely don't understand or
00:49:18.720 care that like it's it's like it's it's like their work isn't their problem and to me that's so yeah
00:49:25.300 maybe it's because I'm self-made to have that kind of be your background music I can't talk
00:49:31.060 to people like that I don't get it yeah I know I don't get it I don't get it at all you're supposed
00:49:37.260 to clearly they haven't been listening to Jocko at all right but like extreme ownership you should
00:49:42.600 be feeling I think it's better to feel guilt for things that you didn't have control over
00:49:46.740 not guilt necessarily but responsibility for things you didn't have control over I think
00:49:50.900 that's the only way i got out of my autoimmunity at some point i was like okay um it's not exactly
00:49:57.940 my fault but something i'm doing is wrong yeah right and that's the only way otherwise it's like
00:50:02.720 nothing i'm doing is wrong i've been listening to everyone else and then you're just stuck being
00:50:07.380 sick forever or or like well obese people for instance too you're like you're doing something
00:50:12.580 to put your body in that situation even if you there's a whole bunch of a set of unfortunate
00:50:17.400 circumstances like getting diagnosed at five years old with Crohn's that's not your fault
00:50:23.000 but unfortunately you have to take some responsibility you can't when you're five
00:50:28.300 obviously unfortunately you have to get older so it's fortunate that his mom is like aware of these
00:50:33.300 things but even if your situation absolutely sucks I think the only way kind of out of it is
00:50:38.560 to take responsibility for it unfortunately she's very big and like I'm not gonna ruin his quality
00:50:45.420 of life i'm not going to have him thinking myself as i'm a victim so they're having like a little
00:50:49.500 birthday party for the class and she's she's like oh maybe he shouldn't come the teacher got on the
00:50:54.140 phone she's like no no the kids will like him get him there and it's like okay you can't have the
00:50:58.520 regular cookies you're going to bake those special cookies that you can eat and you're going to give
00:51:03.220 them out to the whole class so instead of you being nice it's like okay now we're all taking
00:51:09.120 part in this activity everyone's going to enjoy the cookies are delicious and it's you're owning
00:51:13.720 it and without having to feel like you're missing on anything oh that's great that's the right way
00:51:19.660 to go about it with scarlet i do she has birthday cake but it's like a watermelon with fruit around
00:51:24.900 it okay i was like okay yeah jenny it's been ingrained so long too i think it's almost easier
00:51:30.920 when you're younger like imagine trying to change your diet and stop eating normal cool foods like
00:51:35.500 pizza when you're like 13 or 14 that's hard no i mean i mean that's the kids who become vegan and
00:51:41.840 they're all like miserable yeah true that's true it's the girl who listens to the cure maybe they
00:51:48.920 don't do that anymore with people your age but they listen to cure and she writes in her journal
00:51:52.480 with fingers gloves and she goes to hot topic and she you know if i remember finger yeah she won't
00:51:57.760 eat meat and she's not a happy camper and i'm sure her her um cycle is all screwed up too
00:52:03.420 birth control as well yeah
00:52:06.400 brutal brutal okay is there anything else you're excited about in the future it's such
00:52:16.480 this is one of the most depressing like white white pill episode whatever welcome to the white
00:52:22.380 pill so crones uh people who are incompetent the university system fleeing new york fleeing can
00:52:29.480 our country's ruined my city's ruined my nephew's health is ruined yeah yeah this is this has been
00:52:35.220 a bit of a downer i know like end the year on a positive note everything will be fine do you know
00:52:41.060 what the biggest positive note is and i'm sure you will agree with this and most people agree
00:52:46.240 watching this will agree as well it has become so much easier and people are seeking out so much
00:52:53.760 more to connect with one another now that this covid regime has receded people are doing things
00:53:01.960 together they're going to shows they're traveling more they're interacting more they're not in that
00:53:08.100 bunker mentality they don't have to worry about being yelled at on the street in for the most
00:53:12.780 part i'm sure someplace like in boston it's still an issue that's fine i think that renaissance in
00:53:18.400 the idea of community is something in at least in my experience and the experience of pretty much
00:53:24.300 everyone I know is very much on the rebound and I think that is something that I am extremely
00:53:30.460 excited about looking forward uh in the coming year because we I think a lot of us I'm sure a
00:53:37.020 lot of us if not all of us lost a lot of our relationships or or they all took a hit during
00:53:43.020 the last couple of years uh especially because there was this kind of binary where either you
00:53:48.320 wear a mask or you're indifferent to human life right that's the mentality and i think that that's
00:53:52.880 not that's kind of off the table and people don't have to have that very basic like you're you're
00:53:58.440 both people looking at each other like they're crazy like now that that's kind of receded i think
00:54:03.180 people are re-establishing those bonds um and i think if you're someone who's out there who is
00:54:09.580 all alone and i i certainly count a lot of those people like among my fans and my audience
00:54:14.740 reach out to like social media for all its you know negativity and hostility is really a great
00:54:21.400 mechanism to find people to talk to of a like-minded of a like mind find a hobby it could
00:54:28.520 be stupid right but i'm sure that the people who breed like guinea pigs they have a thriving
00:54:34.060 community and i'm sure that there's this group who hates that group and they think they're the
00:54:38.520 worst and these ones hate this one because they're not the real breeders. Point being, there's so
00:54:43.080 many activities out there that are easy for someone to find and go down a rabbit hole and
00:54:48.100 get excited about. And there's going to be other people like that. And it's a very easy way if you
00:54:54.160 haven't been effective at making friends on an interpersonal level in your life, doesn't mean
00:54:58.320 you're going to have to be alone forever. They don't even have to know your name. So if people
00:55:02.220 are kind of repudiating you online, change your behavior, change something about it. You have that
00:55:07.340 control to be a more social person next year than you have been this year. And it may take trial and
00:55:14.420 error. A lot of people are socially awkward, but that's the beauty of the internet. You have the
00:55:17.920 anonymity. So you can kind of figure out what works for you and just do some research and read
00:55:24.740 some articles about like, okay, how do you make friends? I think people don't even realize that
00:55:30.920 that's a technical skill that they can develop. And humans have these courtship rituals and
00:55:37.320 they work in not just romantically, they work in socially. And a lot of times people are friends
00:55:41.980 with people at their work because you're kind of forced or to school because you're stuck together.
00:55:45.060 And when you're like working at home, you're going to lose that, you lose that human contact.
00:55:48.780 How do you regain it? Well, there's lots of different mechanisms for doing that. And I think
00:55:53.180 that's the kind of thing I would encourage more people who are lonely. And there's a lot of them
00:55:57.080 out there to be like, wait a minute, this is something that I can improve on. And it's going
00:56:02.740 to take me out of my comfort zone, but that's kind of fun too, to try new experiences.
00:56:07.320 i love that that's great yeah no that's a great idea in social media groups even i don't like
00:56:17.360 facebook but even facebook groups they're dying off but even facebook groups are a good place
00:56:22.980 facebook facebook groups are a really good place to meet people but um twitter i know a lot of
00:56:28.880 people have met on twitter i know like most of my good friends are through social media yeah
00:56:33.360 almost all of them maybe all of them and then they introduce you to other people and it's it's
00:56:39.380 then you're kind of pre-vetted so you have this element of familiarity right from the
00:56:44.400 from the jump so it's it's just really um uh uh just a great thing uh and i think i wish more
00:56:52.140 people the thing that i talk about and i i know you agree with this a lot is we are so if you
00:56:59.760 like with me with with having stomach issues right if you live a certain way your life your
00:57:04.180 entire life just like you with your autoimmune i'm sure in your head you think this is how i'm
00:57:08.200 gonna be when i'm 80 and then once that first thing that you had had your whole life changes
00:57:13.680 you realize wait a minute every aspect of my life is open to change it's not going to be perfect but
00:57:19.180 it can be improved and that sense of freedom is almost existential uh it's really very very
00:57:25.140 liberating and exciting yeah I like that that's what happened to me like like you said it was
00:57:32.560 as soon as one part fell away I was like oh my gosh how much of it then three more parts fell
00:57:37.840 away and I was like oh no is it everything is everything malleable is everything a lie but it's
00:57:44.000 good because that means you have control you have control in a way it took me a long time to
00:57:48.580 understand I had control of my relationship which I think people get you know how people get trapped
00:57:54.460 in relationships. And you're like, why are you still in that? And I'm like, I'm a, yeah. And
00:58:01.420 I'm like, I'm a bright person, but it took me a long time to wrap my head around them. Like I had
00:58:05.720 control of my relationship. So also if you're stuck somewhere in a relationship you don't like,
00:58:11.360 and you have been for like five years, you should not be in that relationship anymore.
00:58:15.540 You should just end it. Your life is going to get better, not worse.
00:58:18.020 People have that sunk cost fallacy where they're like, it's, think about this way. If you have a
00:58:23.100 house and it costs you a hundred thousand dollars and then every month you got to get a new roof
00:58:27.320 new garage new kitchen appliances new floor whatever and you're like oh i spent 200 grand
00:58:33.440 on this house now yeah it's like you know what doesn't mean you have to spend another million
00:58:37.500 like that money is gone you're not ever seeing that money again right or those five years are
00:58:41.740 gone just because you've spent five and i'm sure large parts of it of those five were good does not
00:58:47.520 mean you have to spend the next 50 and like and it doesn't mean you even if you and this idea like
00:58:54.020 is this really the best being a single for a while it's also not the end of the world it sucks
00:58:58.840 dating sucks it's horrible but is this i i had a i had a good friend and he got divorced and it was
00:59:06.220 just this long ugly process and he had been trying to make it work and then he just had this epiphany
00:59:11.700 he just goes wait a minute i'm not gonna die miserable alone f that you know and now he's
00:59:16.360 married and has a great wife and it's just wonderful again but it's just it sucks there's
00:59:21.560 no question but the status quo you're in sucks too and if you're in a relationship that kind of
00:59:26.660 sucks after five years the odds are almost 100 it's going to be much worse than another few
00:59:31.920 it's not going to go the other direction yeah the first five years were awful but then it turned
00:59:38.100 around. Yeah. I hated this even in any, any situation. I really hated this job and it got
00:59:46.500 better. No, it's just going to suck more. Yeah. Job TV show. There's no TV show. What TV show
00:59:54.320 gets good in a sixth season? Yeah. Uh, that's a good point. That's a good point. Okay. Michael,
01:00:02.100 it was lovely seeing you oh that's fast okay i will see you and i i have to i have to go i'll
01:00:08.540 see you in a few weeks and i look forward yeah that sounds like fun and i hope everyone watching
01:00:12.800 this from the bottom of my heart has a thriving and happy 2023 and i promise you you have enough
01:00:20.140 power in you in you to make it better than you think it is inevitably going to be
01:00:25.900 beautiful well i'm so excited to see you congratulations on your book
01:00:32.680 i will read it and we will talk again and i'll see you soon