The Mikhaila Peterson Podcast - March 07, 2025


Gut Health, SIBO, Methylene Blue, and More ｜ Josh Axe EP 225


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00:00:00.000 The amount I can tell from looking at somebody's tongue about their digestive system is a lot.
00:00:04.300 If somebody has ridges on the side of their tongue, in Chinese medicine that's actually
00:00:07.740 called a spleen sheet deficiency, but really that means your digestive system is weak.
00:00:11.800 So there are specific herbs and foods and supplements that actually build up and strengthen
00:00:16.080 the gut.
00:00:16.620 Why does that work?
00:00:17.660 Do they know why it works?
00:00:18.660 It's the very same reason how you found out that the Lion Diet works for you.
00:00:23.240 Imagine thousands of physicians for a thousand years, testing and trying and paying close
00:00:27.100 attention to patients and work with them doing millions of individual case studies. They started
00:00:31.220 noticing these patterns between, oh, sour activates the liver. Oh, bitter activates bile release. I
00:00:37.740 think there's a lot of people that they're just so busy that their body can't heal. Most of the
00:00:42.400 time it's like cell phone buzzy, email reading, artificial light, and then to be able to get out
00:00:48.280 in nature and then connect with God and spend time in gratitude and awe and wonder. It's incredibly
00:00:54.580 healing. Dr. Josh Axe, welcome to my podcast. Michaela, thanks for having me on. Thanks for
00:01:03.800 coming all the way here. And thank you for the last couple of years when I got really sick from
00:01:08.800 mold, we connected. You put me in touch with some people who were very helpful. So I appreciate the
00:01:15.720 support because I was feeling very bad then and that was very helpful. I'm a big fan of the
00:01:21.520 Peterson and Fuller family. So I want to support you guys any way I can. So yeah.
00:01:26.460 Well, thank you for that. Before we get started, can you give a brief background about
00:01:30.960 who you are and what it is you do?
00:01:33.020 Yep. Yep. Dr. Josh Axe. I am a doctor of functional medicine, doctor of chiropractic
00:01:37.700 and a certified nutritionist. And big focus for a lot of years for me has been helping people heal
00:01:43.040 a lot of times unhealable conditions. And this really started for me when I had my mom who was
00:01:48.980 diagnosed with cancer. And she went through all the conventional treatments. And then later on,
00:01:53.060 we went through all natural treatments. And seeing my mom healed from cancer using just food and
00:01:59.040 natural lifestyle medicine really inspired me to become a doctor and want to help people heal using
00:02:04.300 food and herbs and supplements and lifestyle medicine. And so now I run a actual virtual
00:02:09.160 medical clinic. It's called the Health Institute, where we help people heal autoimmune disease and
00:02:16.320 hypothyroidism and infertility in a number of conditions and that's a and i'm co-founder of
00:02:21.020 ancient nutrition a supplement company and uh yeah great yeah the only doctors that i like
00:02:26.780 automatically have some trust for are functional doctors they're hard to find i tried to find one
00:02:31.400 when i was in toronto in 2015 i was like what is this functional medicine thing like what does that
00:02:36.680 mean we can get into that and i could only find one or two doctors and they were booked completely
00:02:42.060 solid, couldn't take any patients. So what's the difference between a doctor you would normally
00:02:47.960 see and a functional doctor? Let me go kind of three levels deep to kind of answer this. I would
00:02:53.160 say there is a difference between when you look at conventional medical doctor, more integrative,
00:03:00.360 and then maybe one that's more functional medicine, but really looking at the root cause,
00:03:05.220 really diving deep into that. So what will happen, I'll give you an example with like a
00:03:08.700 condition like autoimmune disease. Let's use like Hashimoto's thyroiditis. If a patient goes in to
00:03:14.200 see a conventional medical doctor with that, what they're going to do is they're going to
00:03:17.180 prescribe a drug like Synthroid. Boom, you're done. That's it. That's all they know how to do.
00:03:20.940 Or maybe an immunosuppressant, but something like that. And then you've got more of the integrative
00:03:26.520 or even the nutritionist. And they're going to probably say, hey, there's one diet for everybody.
00:03:31.400 Let's go paleo. Let's go keto. Let's go vegan. Surprisingly, there's still people recommending
00:03:37.840 that. It shouldn't be. But let's do that. And then here's magnesium and omega-3s and a few
00:03:43.340 things. Okay. And that's kind of the depth. And that will help a number of people, but it's really
00:03:48.200 still not getting to the root of why do you have this issue in the first place versus if you go to
00:03:52.260 a doctor that's really one of the top, you know, 10 to 20% of functional medicine doctors out there
00:03:57.440 today, they're going to run lab work. They're going to look at your symptoms. They're going
00:04:00.940 to look at everything they possibly can to say, okay, why do you have autoimmune disease? Why do
00:04:06.440 you have Hashimoto's thyroiditis. Okay, well, we did an oat panel or organic acids and micronutrients.
00:04:11.880 You're incredibly depleted in vitamin D. You're incredibly depleted in L-glutamine. You're
00:04:17.640 depleted in all these nutrients. Okay, let's run an IgG panel. Let's do a stool test and see what's
00:04:23.480 going on in your gut microbiome. Okay, we've accumulated all this information now and we see
00:04:28.840 what's going on. And so now what we're going to do is treat the root of your issue. And oftentimes
00:04:33.580 with an issue like Hashimoto's, it's starting in your gut and your adrenals. So we need to go and
00:04:38.540 fix those using, you know, diet, using certain herbals, using certain vitamins and nutritional
00:04:45.520 compounds, and then holistic treatments, everything from hyperbaric chamber to ozone therapy, to IVs,
00:04:51.100 to, you know, you name it. And so really, I think functional medicine doctors are really intent on
00:04:56.400 focusing on healing the root cause, typically with natural, natural means. And some of them
00:05:02.240 that are more integrative. Maybe they use a medication here and there on occasion,
00:05:05.860 but for the most part, it's very focused on healing an issue naturally.
00:05:10.360 Embarrassingly enough, I thought integrative doctors and functional doctors were the same.
00:05:13.700 Well, you know what? I shouldn't have necessarily put them in because some integrative are functional.
00:05:19.940 Like we talked about Gabrielle Lyon and she's really kind of both of those in that example.
00:05:23.180 Okay. But most integrative practitioners, they are prescribing medications and they're doing
00:05:30.880 things holistically and, and they're recommending supplements or they're kind of living in both
00:05:36.120 worlds. Okay. Typically. That's what I've seen. I think I've worked with some integrative doctors
00:05:40.680 too, and that's what it looks like. Okay. Interesting. Uh, let me see, where do I want
00:05:45.300 to start? Well, I guess you mentioned an oat panel, so that's organic acids. Yeah. Why would
00:05:50.720 somebody do that test? Yeah. And this, this goes into, you know, when you look at traditional
00:05:55.640 blood work today, a lot of the things that are running are absolutely useless or at least not
00:06:00.660 looking for what we should look for in somebody with inflammatory disease, autoimmune disease,
00:06:05.740 or other conditions a lot of people are struggling with today, like long COVID and Lyme disease and
00:06:12.300 all these conditions. And so if you go and check somebody's cholesterol level, it's not that
00:06:18.600 helpful versus an organic acids test is really looking at what are you deficient in? Not what
00:06:25.600 what are your, not what are your symptoms or what are your, like what are your blood markers showing
00:06:31.560 in terms of, again, high cholesterol, you know, and they are going to get into some things like
00:06:36.820 maybe a hormone panel or if your creatine is high or those sorts of things. So they're looking at
00:06:43.000 basically the function of your kidneys and your arteries and a number of things. That's what
00:06:48.200 most medical tests are doing today. What I think an organic acids test or a micronutrient test or
00:06:53.360 an oat test does, you're going one layer closer to the root cause of saying, okay, well, these
00:06:59.500 nutritional deficiencies, many of them are actually going to cause some of these issues that are more
00:07:04.660 downstream and so start to fix more of those issues. But it's really looking at, because
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00:08:26.740 of the podcast we were talking a bit about this like before we started the podcast but i've had
00:08:31.500 low folate for years i've never had symptoms like that i've noticed uh of low folate but
00:08:39.140 whenever i've been pregnant i've been like i'm gonna take folate i usually do it by injection
00:08:43.560 just in case because i'm only eating meat this diet's very new it was like i don't want to be
00:08:48.460 the person that ends up folate deficient during pregnancy severely that impacts the baby or 0.69
00:08:54.160 something stupid like that why do you think that could potentially be caused by just not eating 0.86
00:09:01.600 folate rich sources or for me i know this is a guest do you think that could be an absorption 1.00
00:09:06.920 issue well well so so like one example of this would be looking at the methylfolate cycle okay
00:09:13.540 And so a lot of us have heard of this MTHFR gene variant where you can have one of or
00:09:18.880 two of the variations that makes it harder for your body to convert folate into what
00:09:25.860 your body can use, which is called methylfolate.
00:09:29.400 And there are several things if you look at the cycle to where like for your body, if
00:09:34.080 you're going to eat, let's say, um, take a folic acid supplement.
00:09:37.960 Okay.
00:09:38.460 Your body needs vitamin B2, and then it needs B6, and then it needs B12 in order to convert it
00:09:47.660 into methylfolate. So think about when you take folic acid, it's like you're getting a car
00:09:52.940 without wheels on it. You can't drive it. You can't use it. What your body tends to do if it's
00:09:58.900 really healthy and functioning well is it'll go and put wheels on the car. So now it can drive
00:10:04.740 things places. It can operate, it can function properly. But if you're deficient, and again,
00:10:09.860 B2, B6, or B12, your body isn't going to convert things properly. And then there's all kinds of
00:10:17.040 other things if you're deficient in like zinc and magnesium and choline that will affect the
00:10:21.680 conversion as well. So what a lot of people don't realize, now some people could take folic acid,
00:10:27.180 now this is rare and it fixes the problem. Some people can take methylfolate and that fixes the
00:10:32.600 problem but for some people even within that methylfolate cycle if you're not absorbing it
00:10:38.880 it's just you're it's good you're gonna have a side effect like i know you were sharing
00:10:44.040 you're like you're wired you're true yeah so i haven't yeah i should add that so i haven't
00:10:48.940 been supplementing because every time i take methylfolate now i don't have mthfr i've checked
00:10:53.700 yeah so i have no problem converting it uh but i can't take it without like really being almost
00:11:00.860 hypomatic. It's crazy. And so I've just been like, wow, Foley doesn't agree with me.
00:11:05.580 Yeah. Yeah. I think it's likely an absorption issue. And it's hard to know where that's coming
00:11:12.740 from. Now, in your case, in a lot of cases, sometimes, and let me say this about the
00:11:19.620 methyl, the MTHFR people out there. I think most of them think if I just take a methylfolate
00:11:25.920 supplement, that's like going to get my body to where it needs to be. I think even if you
00:11:30.700 have the mthfr variant if your body's really healthy your body can still create methylfolate
00:11:37.000 it's not that it can't it's just not efficient as others if your gut microbiome is really healthy
00:11:41.740 people are going to confer things very well but if you're missing certain bacteria and enzymes
00:11:47.460 within your microbiome um your absorption is just very low and you'll get the sort of symptoms
00:11:55.140 you're talking about so i really think for you it's probably more of a microbiome issue and
00:11:59.920 maybe a deficiency of a certain type of bacteria interesting okay or it could be overgrowth that's
00:12:05.260 not that's keeping a certain type of bacteria from creating an enzyme or or helping your body
00:12:11.420 in the conversion process cool that's cool yeah it's not ideal well it's not cool i mean it's not
00:12:17.640 cool for you but yeah yeah so you you've done a lot of work on gut health which is fascinating
00:12:25.360 because i do think you know we talked about this on the podcast i did with you but like we i do
00:12:30.520 think most of these problems come from gut there's just like things wrong there's a lot so where
00:12:36.560 should people start i guess to start to look into gut health is like when you have a when you take
00:12:42.380 a patient is that where you start or do you run a whole slew of tests and then look at that try and
00:12:49.820 diagnose things from there. Like take me through your process. Yeah. So, so, so there's a few
00:12:54.700 things I do and it depends on how deep I'm going with somebody. So, you know, if I'm actually
00:12:58.500 seeing a, a patient, I will, one, I look at their symptoms and that's the first thing I look at.
00:13:05.900 Okay. What, what, what all are you dealing with? And then one of the other things I do,
00:13:10.040 the first things I do is I have them either if I'm, if it's in person, which is rare,
00:13:14.860 I'll have them show me a picture of their tongue or, or if one of my practitioners,
00:13:17.840 my practitioners will get a picture of their tongue and i i also do some a fair amount of
00:13:23.580 chinese medicine and the amount i can tell from some looking at somebody's tongue about their
00:13:27.480 digestive system is a lot so for instance if somebody has ridges on the side of their tongue
00:13:32.360 that's in chinese medicine that's actually called a spleen sheet efficiency but really that means
00:13:36.180 your digestive system is weak okay so there's not enough cellular energy mitochondrial health like
00:13:41.500 your your digestion is weak so there are specific herbs and foods and supplements that actually
00:13:46.920 build up and strengthen the gut. So in that case, astragalus is very good for building and
00:13:52.680 strengthening up the gut. I would put that person on a diet that's really a lot of like sweet
00:13:58.060 potatoes and pumpkin and a lot of soups, beef, lamb, those sort of like things that you'd eat
00:14:04.040 in the fall and Thanksgiving, like cinnamon and ginger. So that's going to really help that,
00:14:08.840 that weak digestive system. Now, other people might have more of microbial overgrowth. Now,
00:14:15.400 the one you're going to see most on the tongue is yeast. Okay. That's what you're going to see
00:14:18.520 most commonly. And sometimes the coating is, is just thick on top. Sometimes it's actually
00:14:23.720 embedded. That's where I know it's been there a long time. And there's a difference between if
00:14:27.900 it's on the back or the full, if it's in the middle of the tongue, that means it's more of
00:14:31.580 this. It's even in the, the spleen in the upper digestive system. If the coating is only on the
00:14:38.040 back of the tongue, that means more of the microbial dysbiosis is going on in the colon.
00:14:42.640 and so anyway so i'll look at the tongue and there's a lot i can tell from that if that's the
00:14:47.900 case we want to do some natural antimicrobials in certain cases people can go and take if it's
00:14:53.520 very specific and we run blood work or do a stool analysis maybe they do get on a conventional
00:14:59.340 antibiotic but 99 of the time or in most cases outside of the rare ones we can do ozone therapy
00:15:05.160 we can do some natural antibiotics like oregano we can do silver ivs a number of those things that
00:15:12.220 work, caprylic acid, berberine. So there's a lot of those things. And then if we, if I tend to try
00:15:19.560 and not rack up a big blood work bill for people early on, I really try and figure out based on
00:15:26.040 their symptoms, tongue diagnosis, and some other things, what's going on. And if we can fix it that
00:15:32.340 way, let's do it that way. If not, then let's do some blood work or some, I tend to do a stool
00:15:37.480 analysis and a mycotoxin test also looking for parasites and then when we do that we also know
00:15:44.860 a little bit more about you know what's going on and how to treat that because an anti-parasite
00:15:49.920 versus an antifungal versus an antibacterial versus an antiviral they're different herbs
00:15:55.440 in supplements somebody should be taking so for parasites it's things like black walnut and
00:16:00.040 wormwood and and garlic and those sort of things um which are going to be different than if you've
00:16:06.820 got it just depends on on what you're dealing with but that's so so i tend to look at you know
00:16:13.060 tongue diagnosis the symptoms and a combination of different labs okay interesting so when i was
00:16:20.640 when i was a kid i used to get chronic i i get strep and a pneumonia all the time like every year
00:16:26.320 yeah um and for pneumonia i would it was every year i was on immune suppressants so i just like
00:16:32.020 i pick up a cold it turn into a pneumonia i'd go on antibiotics then i go on antibiotics again
00:16:36.240 then i would get sicker then my mom would bring me to linda the chinese doctor and i'd be like 0.97
00:16:40.580 my mom is insane and linda would look at my tongue and then she would do cupping to loosen 1.00
00:16:45.880 like phlegm yeah and then she would give me this disgusting drink that we had to brew at home that 1.00
00:16:51.940 was full of sticks and it looked like it was horribly bitter and then it would get rid of my
00:16:57.560 pneumonia yeah but every year we did the same thing it was like antibiotics antibiotics
00:17:01.740 eventually go see linda out of desperation we should have saw linda first see linda first i
00:17:06.640 know we like we never saw linda first i don't know why we didn't see linda first but it was
00:17:12.140 wild to me even as a kid like let me see your tongue like what is happening like what's linda
00:17:19.040 doing and it would fix the pneumonia and i ended up in the hospital like um in grade six from this
00:17:25.860 pneumonia that wouldn't go away probably because of the immune suppressants but linda's chinese
00:17:30.220 medicine, there was something there. I haven't done a lot of delving into that. So is the reason
00:17:34.760 that you look at tongues in your patients, is that from Chinese medicine? It is. Yeah, it's some of
00:17:39.640 my training there. And again, there's a lot that you can tell looking at the body. Another thing
00:17:45.240 you can do is feel someone's pulse, but somebody has to be trained. Oh, she'd do that too. Yeah.
00:17:49.260 So somebody has to be trained in that. But yeah, again, there are people that are incredibly
00:17:56.100 both intuitive and very, I've learned to read the body in amazing ways. I mean, there are people
00:18:00.780 that can look into your eye and look at what's going on in the different color of your eye and
00:18:05.100 tell, um, what, what your health problems are. There are people that can look at your tongue,
00:18:09.140 your pulse. I'll tell you, so we've got a dear friend of ours who's a Chinese medicine doctor.
00:18:13.080 And so Chelsea, I remember before we even knew she was pregnant, he went in to see her and he kept,
00:18:18.920 he kept going like this to her. He goes, Chelsea, your pulse feels really good. And she's like,
00:18:24.400 okay what are you trying to say and she's like well you know you're pregnant chelsea was like
00:18:30.040 well i thought i could be but i didn't i mean and so what you'll feel in a pulse of someone's
00:18:34.860 pregnant is you almost feel two beats like one on top of the other yeah oh that's cool yeah yeah
00:18:40.680 it's pretty amazing so with chinese medicine like if i was if i went to china and saw a doctor
00:18:46.960 does that mean that they're doing chinese medicine or do they mostly do conventional as well
00:18:52.400 Well, they do more what we'd call Chinese medicine today. And generally, in the healthiest countries in the world, or at least the healthiest country in the world today, I believe is Japan. And they practice, I think it's called Kempo. And it's a type of what we'd call Chinese medicine. We call it Chinese medicine.
00:19:10.340 um what what they do in china today it's called tcm traditional chinese medicine and they look
00:19:18.040 and they primarily look at something called the five elements and it's a way of grouping
00:19:22.820 conditions together so so they will like in western medicine today we look doctors look at
00:19:28.860 things and we have even different doctors based on different organ systems yeah in chinese medicine
00:19:33.460 rather than 12 or 15 different systems of the different organs they look at systems of the body
00:19:39.700 in five different systems and they will treat you based on what's going they treat you based off
00:19:46.020 not of a condition but off of an imbalance so they'll look at your body and say okay your body
00:19:51.540 internally is too hot or too cold or it's too damp or too dry or there's too much movement or
00:19:58.700 not enough movement in pneumonia it tends to be not enough movement which is what cupping helps
00:20:04.560 move things, to be too much dampness, which is why all the bitter herbs. Moldy basement I was
00:20:10.520 living in. Exactly. And mold is a type of dampness as is candida or any type of microbial overgrowth.
00:20:16.900 And it depends on the type of pneumonia. It can be too hot or too cold. But that's the way that
00:20:21.620 they'll look at the body is they'll, they will, here's what they believe. There's a, there's a,
00:20:26.340 our entire medical system today is based off of some of the findings of Louis Pasteur,
00:20:30.440 who developed pasteurization and he developed a germ theory. And he said, it's germs that make
00:20:36.960 you sick. Well, there's another physician. His name was Bachamp, which really, this goes back
00:20:43.060 way before him in ancient Chinese and Ayurvedic medicine that said, no, it's not germs that make
00:20:47.800 you sick. It's your internal environment or your external environment, how that impacts your
00:20:53.220 internal environment that makes you sick. So today, most doctors, they're doing it all wrong.
00:20:58.260 You, if you come in with an issue like SIBO or candida or something like that, they're
00:21:03.160 just going to bomb you with antibiotics.
00:21:05.280 Whereas the ancient medical doctor, they're going to look at your body and say, okay,
00:21:10.540 the environment's off.
00:21:11.640 What's going on here?
00:21:12.500 Okay.
00:21:12.660 Let's do things to get rid of the dampness.
00:21:15.520 Well, bitter foods get rid of the dampness.
00:21:17.280 Hence the most disgusting drink you've ever drank in your life is, was probably andrographis
00:21:22.940 or some other bitter herb that helps drive all of that mucus and phlegm out of your lung.
00:21:29.720 Because the thing about that's what nobody is, there's water. A lot of times there's fluid in
00:21:32.880 your lungs. And so that's, that's what they were doing is changing your environment. Cause they
00:21:36.880 believe your body heals itself. So do I, we just need to change the environment. It's like, Hey,
00:21:42.160 you've got a river or a stream that's got all these toxins in it. Well, let's remove the toxins.
00:21:47.600 Well, now the fish can thrive. It's the same, same kind of idea.
00:21:50.240 wow that's so different than conventional medicine yeah it's crazy but it really worked
00:21:57.420 and this worked multiple times on me when antibiotics didn't work and i was extremely
00:22:01.720 sick wow and immunosuppressed and i had this bitter horrible tea and then i it fixed me i was
00:22:08.240 just like what i'd rather take antibiotics than drink that that was before i knew
00:22:12.440 that it was much better idea to just drink the tea wow that's fascinating if you're the type
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00:23:32.320 call it, call it like that's a low place to be. So what, like, let's describe what happened a
00:23:39.360 little bit and how you got through that. Yeah. About 10 years ago, I hurt my back lifting weights,
00:23:43.500 doing something stupid. And I herniated two discs on my back and it was extremely painful. 0.51
00:23:49.000 And I did everything I could imagine from physical therapy to chiropractic to functional movement.
00:23:54.760 And I got probably 50, 60% better, but not all the way. I mean, I dealt with chronic pain every
00:23:59.160 day in my back. And then I got turned on to stem cell therapy and I went and got stem cell therapy
00:24:05.560 done. And all of a sudden it was like, wow, I'm now 75% better. I got it done one more time. And
00:24:10.100 then I was like 95% better. And it moved the needle more than anything. And they took my own
00:24:15.180 bone marrow, put my own stem cells back in my disc. And it was just amazing. And then I thought,
00:24:22.460 okay, I'm 95%. And I was back squatting, deadlifting. I could do triathlons. I was in
00:24:27.600 great shape, but I still had this little bit of nagging pain in my back a few days a week.
00:24:32.320 and I thought, okay, I'm going to get stem cell done one more time. And I bet I'll be back at
00:24:36.520 a hundred percent. Well, something went wrong when they did this injection this time. And I felt
00:24:43.140 worse the day after, which was weird. And then worse and worse and worse. I went and got an MRI
00:24:47.860 and it said, I have these things called modic changes, but there was no real major issue.
00:24:52.180 And I thought, okay, I might've re-injured my back with these stem cells doing something.
00:24:56.620 And then one morning I woke up and I couldn't walk
00:25:00.140 And the pain was so excruciating. It was unbelievable and if anyone's ever had nerve pain or disc pain
00:25:06.580 It just does not go away
00:25:07.820 And I had to we we were in puerto rico at the time
00:25:11.020 We had to call an ambulance
00:25:13.140 They came and picked me up put me on a gurney brought me to get an mri
00:25:17.780 And I got the mri results back and it said I had a spinal infection that was in my disc
00:25:22.780 It moved into my bone
00:25:23.880 It was in my entire L5 vertebra, and it was moved into my, there was an abscess, even in the spinal
00:25:29.300 canal of the infection. I had to take a medical flight. Again, this is like out of a movie. I got
00:25:34.440 in a gurney, put on a plane, flown to Florida, where I then met with an infectious disease
00:25:39.800 specialist. And he said, Josh, I want to be straight with you. This is a really severe
00:25:44.660 infection. It's throughout the bone. And he said, listen, this could kill you. He said,
00:25:50.440 the best case scenario is you're going to have chronic pain the rest of your life he said he
00:25:54.380 said you know the likely scenario is you're going to be permanently disabled and we're gonna have
00:25:59.120 to go and do surgery and and stabilize this area with rot like it and so michael i i mean i was a
00:26:06.020 few months before like throwing my two-year-old daughter in the air in the pool was a great shape
00:26:10.680 felt great and then i had a doctor tell me like your life's never going to be the same
00:26:15.080 and i had 48 hours of feeling like my life was over like i mean really feeling like just the
00:26:21.240 absolute bottom of i've ever i've ever felt and i spent time just in prayer and i felt like god
00:26:27.940 after about 48 hours was like you know what just fix your eyes on me walk with me um and he didn't
00:26:35.660 tell me i'm gonna heal you i just i just really feel like the sense of this presence of the lord
00:26:39.640 was like, walk with me. And I was kind of like, you know, there was only a couple of times in my
00:26:45.680 life where I felt like that distinct, like the Lord just consciously impressing something upon
00:26:49.520 me. And I was like, and by the way, I haven't really shared this on a podcast, but I kind of
00:26:53.180 had this conversation with God of like, well, what does that mean? And after the first 24 hours,
00:26:59.180 God was like, okay, listen, you're not walking with me. You're trying to like bear this burden
00:27:04.640 by yourself. You're trying to carry this thing. I didn't say that. I said, walk with me.
00:27:07.840 And so what I did is I kind of felt like God put me back almost in time, like consciously of like, and I, I, like I pictured God walking through Adam with the garden of Eden. I pictured him walking with Enoch and with Moses and with all the people in the Bible. And then even pictured my own life. And the word that just kept coming to mind was unfaithful.
00:27:26.140 and so for me that was the greatest encouragement of just knowing God was walking with me no matter
00:27:33.040 what happened and that I was going to be okay and so yeah and so I spent that time and then it was
00:27:40.900 like okay you know what I'm going to get back to 100% and God I pray that you would help me get
00:27:46.360 back to 100% and the the infectious disease specialist was recommending I get on antibiotics
00:27:51.580 for three months, which Mikhail, I had not taken a real medication since I was in high school.
00:27:57.180 This was, and I'm 40, this was like over 20 years. So I was very conscious. I'm like, I'm constantly
00:28:02.760 helping people heal their gut and I know how bad antibiotics are. So to have to be on them for three
00:28:06.900 months, very strong and multiple antibiotics. I was incredibly concerned. I read a study on
00:28:14.100 hyperbaric chambers and how those make antibiotics more effective and drive them deeper and they can
00:28:19.000 reduce antibiotic time. And so I put together a program for myself and worked with a couple
00:28:25.840 other doctors on this, where I did get on a conventional antibiotic for 28 days,
00:28:29.120 but I got in a hard shell hyperbaric chamber every day for 30 days. And then quite a few
00:28:34.080 days for the first 90, I did ozone. I did methylene blue. I did Jensen silver. I did,
00:28:41.340 I mean, I was doing everything and did that for four weeks and killed the infection that way.
00:28:47.700 and then my gut i know wasn't was definitely a little bit hurt but then i did one trillion
00:28:54.800 probiotics a day very high dose wow along with again a number of other things uh high dose b
00:29:02.360 vitamins some other things and i really feel like my gut healed completely if not got better to where
00:29:07.100 it was and i didn't walk for 10 months and then i was on a walker for two months so i didn't walk
00:29:13.100 on my own for a full year. One thing I didn't fully, now I knew this to a degree, but not to
00:29:19.740 the degree when you experience it. The discs of our body have almost no blood supply. So they take
00:29:26.920 about three to five times longer to heal than other areas of your body. So that's why it took
00:29:31.100 me, even though I was doing all the right things, it took me a while to heal. But now I tend back
00:29:35.280 90%. I just went on a snow skiing trip to Park City. I'm going on another one. I can lift, I can
00:29:40.020 care of my daughter. So I'm already way better than that doctor told me I would ever be. And I
00:29:45.760 praise God for it and the power of natural medicine. And so I'm incredibly grateful for
00:29:53.360 where I'm at now. But you were sharing this when you came on my podcast, that we were talking about
00:29:59.020 how we never want to go through those things, but God uses all things for good. And the amount I
00:30:06.640 know now after experiencing that in terms of how to treat people and care for patients that have
00:30:12.220 gut issues or different types of infections i i know so much more now than i did before so i i and
00:30:19.140 i've also been more committed now to learning about longevity medicine healing the cells and
00:30:22.900 mitochondria so i have you know i have learned learned a lot from it um yeah that's a crazy way
00:30:29.980 to spend a year yeah and when i say i didn't walk i mean i couldn't even sit in a wheelchair like
00:30:35.120 the only thing i could do after a few months is i could crawl and get in a pool and being on like
00:30:39.320 with no weight i could be upright that's crazy yeah that happened so quickly too yeah oh my gosh
00:30:47.280 wow well good for you yeah uh you mentioned you mentioned methylene blue and did you say jensen
00:30:53.400 silver it's a type of silver like like not colloidal but it's a type of silver in it that
00:30:58.640 you'd get in an ivy okay yeah so does it work kind of like colloidal silver yes okay
00:31:05.000 And was that used for, what was that used for?
00:31:08.160 Naturally fighting the infection.
00:31:09.680 Okay.
00:31:09.980 What I was trying to do was just limit my time.
00:31:15.200 I would need to be on conventional antibiotics and it worked.
00:31:19.180 It did help.
00:31:20.340 Great.
00:31:20.760 Okay.
00:31:21.200 Yeah.
00:31:21.560 And then methylene blue.
00:31:22.780 I've heard this thrown around a bunch.
00:31:24.520 I've seen people with the blue tongues.
00:31:26.180 Yeah. 0.92
00:31:26.700 What does that do?
00:31:27.480 That's scary.
00:31:28.240 Is it a dye?
00:31:29.640 It is.
00:31:30.320 So, well, it's the color blue.
00:31:32.380 so methylene blue has been used for actually you can look historically for a really long time it's
00:31:38.260 been used to treat different types of infections in the body sometimes urinary tract infections
00:31:41.940 actually okay yeah quite frequently and actually there are studies now showing it actually helps
00:31:48.360 healing and energizing our mitochondria it actually helps your body create cellular energy
00:31:52.960 and there's a lot of patients with chronic infections even like lyme and different viral
00:31:57.120 infections as well, parasites that respond really, really well to methylene blue.
00:32:03.820 Interesting. Okay. So it's not a scam.
00:32:07.580 No, no, no, no. I do want to say this because this tends to happen. Somebody will take
00:32:13.600 a vitamin, a supplement, a treatment, a medication and say, this is the cure for everything. And I
00:32:22.680 think one of the things I learned most as I studied ancient forms of medicine was like,
00:32:26.900 like, I don't believe in one diet for anybody. I believe in a personalized diet. Like I don't
00:32:32.520 tell everybody they should be on a, on a carnivore diet, but for you, it works exceptionally well.
00:32:38.900 Your best friend might be the worst diet for them. Who knows? I mean, so I think that
00:32:43.260 it really depends on the, well, and actually your best friend is probably your husband. So it's,
00:32:47.540 you know, it works actually great for them. But, but my point there is, is that everyone should
00:32:51.880 be on a personalized custom diet. And I think the same goes with your therapies. Like there
00:32:56.660 are people out there saying every, you know, well, every, they're recommending everybody take
00:33:01.760 methylene blue. No, that's not right. Same thing. I saw this recently with ivermectin. I had people
00:33:06.580 saying, well, I want ivermectin as a vitamin. No, no, that that's an anti-parasitic drug
00:33:12.500 that if you have a very specific medical condition, absolutely take ivermectin.
00:33:18.060 but don't be like giving it to your kids like it's a like it's a vitamin it's not it's it's
00:33:23.940 not for that now again i think it's it's less strong than an ivermectin or certain other
00:33:29.220 medications but still i don't think it's something that people should do as a like everybody should
00:33:34.640 should do ah okay that makes sense and then no i'll skip ivermectin so you you talked about
00:33:43.380 igg panel micronutrients panel so a micronutrients panel what's the difference between a
00:33:47.820 micronutrients panel and a vitamin panel you'd get at a conventional doctor oh goodness i'm i'm
00:33:53.580 i actually um well most doc most conventional doctors i know they don't run a nutrient panel
00:34:02.140 outside of vitamin d trying to think what is a micronutrient then what's the difference between
00:34:08.820 that and like a b vitamin or well no no b vitamins are micronutrients and so so so there
00:34:15.240 probably are. Now I would say the doctors that are running micronutrient panels are probably
00:34:21.940 more integrative medical doctors or functional medicine doctors. And so they're probably the
00:34:27.280 same test, I would imagine. I mean, an oat or an organic acids test, I think sometimes goes a
00:34:33.480 little deeper and also looking at different like amino acids, it can tell a little bit more,
00:34:38.320 but micronutrient panels, I mean, conventional medical doctors used to never run them.
00:34:42.900 But since you have more and more people being educated, like ourselves probably going in there
00:34:48.300 saying we want them, um, more of them are probably running them now. Yeah. Okay. And do they give you
00:34:53.780 a different view of a vitamin than like a regular blood test for a vitamin B? Like if you have
00:34:59.380 vitamin B tested on a micronutrients test, does that give you a different outlook than a regular
00:35:04.940 vitamin B test? Or is it basically the same numbers? I think it's probably the same numbers.
00:35:09.340 let me say this though a micronutrient test is typically a blood panel an organic acids test is
00:35:14.740 typically urine and so they a lot of times they'll show the same thing but sometimes it will be they
00:35:21.460 will be a little bit different um in terms of actually showing what you're deficient in because
00:35:26.100 like you can have nutrients in your blood and maybe they're not taken up in your cells where
00:35:34.860 an organic acid sometimes might be more accurate in certain ways. It's showing maybe more what
00:35:39.600 you're excreting, which sometimes shows you how well you're breaking things down or even absorbing
00:35:44.540 nutrients. And so it's, it's, um, but, but, but both those tests are used to, to typically to
00:35:51.220 tell what nutrients you're deficient in. Okay, cool. So let's go back to Chinese medicine a
00:35:58.200 little bit. Are there like a couple of things that you've brought over from your knowledge of
00:36:04.740 Chinese medicine, other than looking at tongues that you use pretty frequently that wouldn't be
00:36:09.380 something most people know about? Well, I would say a lot. I mean, every diet I create for somebody
00:36:14.980 is based more, it still is a combination of functional medicine and TCM, but my diet's
00:36:23.100 what I recommend for people lean slightly TCM. And I, I mean, Mikhail, I I've treated like
00:36:27.980 thousands of patients, if not over 10,000. And I have found in this using Chinese medicine in
00:36:37.300 terms of those dietary recommendations is the most effective thing I've seen for helping somebody
00:36:42.740 to heal. Cause like when I was really early in my career, I'm talking about like my first year,
00:36:45.920 I put people more on like, I was like, Hey, gluten-free. So like I would work with kids
00:36:49.880 in the autistic community. We'd go gluten-free, casein-free. And then I started saying, okay,
00:36:55.100 well that helps, but still it's not, it's not doing as much as I want. And then I got turned
00:36:59.920 onto the GAPS diet and that was a really big step forward. And I found, okay, this GAPS diet is
00:37:04.380 really great for a lot of people, especially with, you know, gut microbiome issues, neurodegenerative
00:37:09.660 issues, autoimmune issues. And then from there, I kind of moved forward into more of a Chinese
00:37:16.920 medicine diet, which actually has a GAPS diet is really good for still a lot of people, but
00:37:25.400 it sort of taught me to treat, recommend certain foods for certain things. So I'll just, just to
00:37:32.800 give you an example, like if I know somebody has a liver issue, I'm going to recommend they do a
00:37:37.640 lot of steamed vegetables and a lot of foods rich in glycine, like bone broth. And I'm going to,
00:37:45.120 so they're just very specific foods for activating the liver. So foods that are green
00:37:48.600 and sour tend to be best for detoxification along with a little bitter food. If somebody has a
00:37:54.760 cardiovascular issue, the best thing they can do are bitter foods, bitter and red. Those really,
00:38:00.220 so think about tomatoes or an herb like hawthorn or, um, pomegranate, like very healing for the
00:38:06.620 heart and cardiovascular system. If somebody has a digestive system, upper GI, that's going to be
00:38:11.020 more orange foods. It's going to be sweet potato and pumpkin and even beef would fall into both
00:38:16.460 the heart and the upper digestion category. And then the immune system are foods that are white
00:38:22.040 and light yellow. So think about this. Like when somebody's sick with a cold or flu, it's like you
00:38:28.260 give them chicken soup, which is yellow broth or ginger herbal tea, which is yellow or garlic or
00:38:33.940 onion or misa. These are all yellow foods that activate the immune system. Pears in Chinese
00:38:38.540 medicine are recommended for respiratory issues and um and so um and then let me just and then
00:38:44.500 and then the the last one would be and the immune issues are also tied to colon and um and then the
00:38:51.040 last one is hormonal issues that that you tend to recommend a lot of or adrenal issues that's a lot
00:38:58.120 of mushrooms which are multiple colors a lot of purple and blue and black foods are tend to be
00:39:05.540 more nourishing for those. So yeah, so based on the condition, I use kind of foods and flavors
00:39:12.420 as sort of some of the medicinal ways of treating different conditions.
00:39:16.660 How did that culture figure out that different colored foods impact different organs?
00:39:25.520 It's so different. It's definitely different from what I've learned, but obviously it seems to work
00:39:31.460 and that linda person definitely was able to cure things so like how did they figure how does that
00:39:36.500 why does that work do they know why it works yeah so it's the very same reason how you found
00:39:42.420 out that the lion diet works for you and what doesn't work only what you've had is you we've
00:39:48.060 had thousands of physicians imagine a thousand physicians thousands of physicians for a thousand
00:39:52.880 years yeah testing and trying and paying close attention to patients and working with them doing
00:39:57.320 individual, millions of individual case studies and being able to dial in and figure out these
00:40:02.560 patterns. I mean, one of the things that your dad talks about, I love that he talks about this is
00:40:06.060 like, well, how do you know what truth is? Or how do you know what the best decision is to make?
00:40:10.340 One of the things I heard him say was, well, who are the top five investors in the world?
00:40:15.840 Okay. Where do they overlap? And what's true that they all say, these are the financial
00:40:21.980 principles that work, right? Same thing with maybe. So I think it's a very similar thing
00:40:26.760 is they started noticing these patterns between, oh, sour activates the liver. Oh, bitter activates
00:40:33.020 bile release and clearing dampness. Oh, okay. Well, all bitter foods must do that to a degree.
00:40:39.160 What's the most bitter? What's the least? Okay. What happens when you have something that's bitter
00:40:42.020 and sweet? Oh, well, it's going to have this impact. So they were just over-
00:40:46.780 Interesting. So it's got to be compounds in the bitter taste that seem to activate certain
00:40:53.000 parts of the body or something yeah exactly yeah so so we know that sour does something like
00:40:58.040 every probiotic food ever yeah is sour yeah yeah i mean and so that's very directly effective to
00:41:06.700 creating a certain environment for microbes will grow now in somebody with SIBO or certain types
00:41:12.520 of histamine reactions that's you know that's it's um anyways that's a whole different topic
00:41:19.020 to be why I can't do probiotics. It's got to be something like SIBO. I thought this for years. It
00:41:24.960 was like, why can't, I can't tolerate any probiotics. Like, yeah, it's got to be something
00:41:29.300 like that. Yeah. Cool. Yeah. Wow. Well, let me, let me say that there is a type of probiotic
00:41:34.760 that's less prone to being sour and they're called soil based organisms. They're known as
00:41:39.740 spore forming bacteria. And so people, not always, but people with SIBO or microbial issues that have
00:41:48.360 histamine reactions, they tend to do better with the soil-based organisms like Bacillus subtilis
00:41:54.940 than they do the food-based probiotics because the soil-based tend to have less of an affinity
00:42:00.820 towards sour. Part of the sourness helps them survive and grow versus the soil-based organisms
00:42:06.840 don't really need that. And the soil-based organisms are transient. I mean, they just pass
00:42:10.940 through your system. Some of the food base will have more of an impact on hosting and living in
00:42:17.020 your system interesting so that's like spore biotics yeah that company okay cool it's not a
00:42:22.500 well there is probably a company but it's just a type it's a type of probiotics that a few different
00:42:27.780 a few companies will include in their products interesting so okay let's talk SIBO for a bit
00:42:34.380 because I feel I feel like there are quite a few I'm pretty sure that's one of my problems
00:42:37.900 I know that my mom just did a SIBO treatment yeah and fixed her digest like crazy things have been
00:42:44.340 happening with her like the car the lion diet put her arthritis into remission she was doing well
00:42:49.000 but her digestion was never good we're like well something's still going on with gut um and she's
00:42:53.500 done this protocol and one of the treatments that helped was SIBO treatment what do you do
00:42:58.940 it's more of the natural route for SIBO yeah so for SIBO um and this is where the way that I treat
00:43:04.620 patients I I try and be um incredibly holistic in terms of also looking at the mental and spiritual
00:43:11.160 aspect of the person. And so what I found in SIBO patients, and this goes back to Chinese medicine,
00:43:17.360 is there is a component of stress that is very highly related to SIBO in most people. This isn't
00:43:25.480 across the board, but I would say it's the sort of person who is, you're on all the time. You just
00:43:30.680 never switch it off. And that could be even doing good things, but it's just like constantly like,
00:43:34.600 try, you know, moving forward. And so I think in SIBO, um, that is that exacerbates SIBO is that
00:43:41.860 not turning it off. And, and so like, for instance, one of my biggest recommendations
00:43:46.020 is when you eat, don't look at a screen, don't have anything. I want you to take 30, 40 an hour
00:43:52.180 to eat your meal. Like I want you to sit there and chew. I've had multiple podcast guests. They're
00:43:57.200 like, how long do you chew? It's like not very long. Oh yeah. That's, it's a big for SIBO taking
00:44:02.220 deep breaths and outside having a conversation with, but it's like slowly eating, chewing and
00:44:07.560 creating a lot more of those, those enzymes via your saliva. That is one really, really big thing
00:44:13.040 that helps, uh, licorice root extract before meals. You can do DGL. That is one of the ancient
00:44:18.640 recommendations in TCM for, um, helping with, with SIBO over time. Um, and then, you know,
00:44:25.680 we're, we're in a world today that's just, let me say the other thing would be simple,
00:44:29.680 smaller meals. Eating big meals is hard on the digestive system. Doing astragalus tends to be
00:44:34.380 good, but doing like, they would tend to recommend a white rice, like a jasmine or basmati with
00:44:39.380 something like fish, like just something that moves through your system more quickly, um,
00:44:45.160 would tend to be recommended to, or that's what I would recommend for somebody with SIBO. Um,
00:44:50.140 and, um, and then there are going to be other things. I would recommend a soil-based organism
00:44:55.480 probiotic, none of the, I wouldn't recommend any of the more food-based, like the, like the
00:44:59.700 bifidobacterium or the lactobacillus species, more of that soil-based. And, um, and then in
00:45:06.800 certain cases, you know, then we need to look at clearing out a lot like H. pylori and in bad
00:45:15.100 organisms that maybe have just taken over, you know, and, and, and in that case, I like to start
00:45:19.820 off as natural as possible. I mean, listen, if I have a patient and this is so rare, but if I do
00:45:24.980 have somebody that's an extremely hard case, I may then work with an integrative practitioner and
00:45:29.180 maybe they would get on something conventional, like an antibiotic for a period of time who can
00:45:33.420 dial in the right thing. Like we talked about earlier, earlier with, with what you've talked
00:45:37.140 about. But I think generally I try and do, um, like keprizoic acid, grapeseed extract, ozone,
00:45:46.800 um, via like an Eboo or a 10 pass. Um, I tend to do more of those types of things. And then I do,
00:45:54.180 i try and get higher and higher doses of the um of the soil-based organisms and yeah i found when
00:46:02.440 we kind of work on reducing stress eating more slowly taking more walks after your meals very
00:46:07.900 specific diet that's going to move through the system more quickly um that i've that's worked
00:46:14.380 in a lot a lot of cases that makes sense when i first started looking into this like i looked at
00:46:19.960 this was right when i first went carnivore so this was 2017 and i was like it's got to be candida and
00:46:25.660 sebo or something like that's got to be what's going on and i was looking at protocols because
00:46:29.580 i was very averse to the idea of antibiotics because i thought they caused a bunch of my
00:46:32.700 problems and i actually looked at the research behind the herbal protocols and treating candida
00:46:37.760 and sebo and what the research showed from what i read is there are herbal supplements you can take
00:46:44.660 that are at least equally as effective as antibiotics
00:46:48.280 that like wipe them out.
00:46:50.220 So I used to have this view of treating things with herbs
00:46:53.020 as like the less strong version, you know,
00:46:56.600 but that's not what the literature I read says.
00:47:00.520 It's just more natural version.
00:47:02.340 I think the idea there is that maybe there's going to be
00:47:05.920 a greater level of sparing of the good guys.
00:47:10.180 I think is the, and now listen,
00:47:12.580 I don't know that the research proves that.
00:47:14.660 I don't, I don't have a study that proves that, but I think that that is the, I, I,
00:47:18.980 let me just say this.
00:47:20.040 I think theoretically that's true when you're comparing a medication to an herb.
00:47:26.040 I think that it tends to be, listen, I can say this from a food standpoint.
00:47:31.560 If you're eating a blueberry, it's going to, your body's going to react different to it.
00:47:36.020 Even if it's the exact same amount of sugar as high fructose corn syrup, even if they're
00:47:38.980 about 30 grams of sugar.
00:47:40.340 So that's the way that I view it.
00:47:41.700 I believe that there is something that's easier on the body
00:47:44.520 in taking an herb than a medication.
00:47:46.100 But I also do believe there's a time and place.
00:47:47.920 Listen, I got on a conventional one myself
00:47:49.940 when I had the spine infection.
00:47:51.560 Now I did everything I could to do the least amount possible.
00:47:55.020 But I believe that's, you know, it helped save my life.
00:47:57.920 So.
00:47:58.820 Wow.
00:47:59.380 Yeah, there's a time and place.
00:48:00.680 That is very interesting.
00:48:02.340 Where do you see, have you done any delving
00:48:04.120 into like how AI is going to be able to,
00:48:06.700 like i guess take all the data we have on health and identify patterns we haven't identified do
00:48:14.880 you think we're headed in that direction do you think it's going to be good or do you think it's
00:48:18.100 going to be trained on conventional systems and then it'll just be spitting out conventional
00:48:21.080 medicine well one we are going to have that for sure and that's going to be part of the battle
00:48:27.120 i mean listen there there's a battle over information and then recommendations yeah and
00:48:32.060 And so Google, you know, like my website in the past, DrX.com, we at one point were at
00:48:38.420 20 million unique visitors a month and it was the number one natural health website.
00:48:42.360 Yeah.
00:48:42.780 Google made an update in 2018 or 19, it was called the medic update.
00:48:47.160 And we lost 80% of our traffic overnight.
00:48:51.460 And the reason is, is Google had bought two pharmaceutical companies and they wanted to,
00:48:56.460 if somebody was asking about two, they wanted to push people towards medical sites.
00:49:00.060 Google owns pharmaceutical companies?
00:49:02.060 Oh yeah. Oh, I hate knowing that. Oh yeah. I mean, I'm glad I know it, but that's not good.
00:49:06.500 There's essentially a biotech medical company. Yeah. I mean, multiple, I mean, yeah. So, so,
00:49:12.820 so they, um, so all that being said, think about Bard or think about what, what Google's going to
00:49:17.280 do. They want those recommendations to be more medical. And so when you are using that as a
00:49:24.940 medical tool, it absolutely was going to push you towards more conventional. Now I do believe there
00:49:29.300 are people out there that they're listen there's gonna be a lot of ai tools a lot so i think
00:49:34.480 eventually you will be able to well i think two things are going to happen one if you want to go
00:49:38.920 see a doctor in person let's say you want to get an acupuncture treatment that acupuncturist will
00:49:43.260 be able to lay you on a table and ai is going to be able to read what's going on and it will tell
00:49:47.280 you exactly where to put the needles i think eventually like i'm wearing an aura ring right
00:49:51.380 now i think you'll eventually be able to wear something like an aura ring or you know i don't
00:49:55.500 know if you've wore a continuous blood glucose monitor i mean that's picking up your insulin
00:50:00.500 and that's picking up your blood glucose it's picking up something in your blood eventually
00:50:04.140 on your phone you're it's going to tell you in real time you're you're what nutrients in your
00:50:10.500 blood it's going to tell you you should eat spinach and beef right now like it's going to
00:50:15.140 tell you this up like i think that's cool yeah you're going to have a whole panel of almost
00:50:18.580 everything you could be deficient in i'm trying to think right now how they're going to do this
00:50:22.600 with stool and your gut microbiome, but maybe, I mean, this is crazy. I just saw this, but maybe,
00:50:27.120 I mean, maybe when you use the restroom, it takes your urine and fecal samples and your toilet,
00:50:32.480 there's a panel and it tells you in real time what's going on. I mean, someone needs to build
00:50:38.340 that. Yeah. I would, I would use that. That seems incredibly helpful. Well, we're eventually going
00:50:44.680 to happen. We're eventually going to be there. Let me say this. I use AI now a lot myself in
00:50:50.120 terms of like here, like one of the things I've learned a lot from it because I will,
00:50:53.660 I'll start to do research and I'll, and I'll say something like, okay, um, give me the top herb.
00:50:59.920 Like, like for instance, I've got a patient right now who's dealing with SIBO and stage three breast
00:51:05.320 cancer and Hashimoto's. Okay. And then I will ask it. Okay. And they have these patterns based on a
00:51:12.560 tongue diagnosis. Okay. What are the top Ayurvedic? What are the top Chinese medicine? What are the
00:51:17.140 top, you know, Western functional herbs and compounds that would be most effective in
00:51:23.160 treating this patient. Give me those in ranking order. Okay. Give me a meal plan. Okay. And then
00:51:27.960 I will work with AI on creating a supplement and food and even lifestyle plan. Because here's
00:51:34.500 another thing too, like I really try and help my patients with emotional issues. So in Chinese
00:51:40.920 medicine, if somebody has an autoimmune issue or something that affects the lungs and colon,
00:51:46.380 they tend to according to chinese medicine have something that's happened in the past
00:51:52.520 they have not fully been able to let go of and so some of the recommendations are qigong like
00:51:58.800 qigong like deep breathing spending time a lot writing about what you're doing and then like 0.76
00:52:03.580 throwing it in a fire and burning it going and dealing with whatever the trauma was
00:52:08.100 forgiving the person and letting it go and and and so that and then there are other things too
00:52:13.000 There's also fear. There's also there's different emotions. But the other thing is I'll use AI in
00:52:18.020 creating lifestyle recommendations and plans based on Chinese medicine. And then I'll ask it
00:52:26.860 sometimes too, hey, what are the top Bible verses that somebody should meditate on that can help
00:52:31.780 them overcoming this issue? So I use it already a lot, but in terms of it being able to read what's
00:52:39.960 going in our body in real time yeah 20 years from now i think i think we'll we'll be there
00:52:45.240 that's so cool i've been using grok more and more i was using chat gpt quite a bit and then
00:52:52.100 elon put out grok i was like okay i'll see the differences between these two it's incredible
00:52:56.840 though like i really relied on google when i was first delving into what was wrong with me
00:53:01.240 researching what my drugs did what cells they worked on um and reading study after study after
00:53:07.660 study about like like i said medications or genes that i ran like i really use google grok
00:53:15.360 it's just like it cuts days of research out into minutes yeah it's insane so i'm using that
00:53:24.540 basically as a search engine basically yeah it's like i can't believe what the future is going to
00:53:30.560 hold with with ai because it's unbelievable how much data they have access to it's like having a
00:53:36.140 personal the best research assistant in the world instantly give you what you want yeah it's so weird
00:53:42.540 yeah but but to your point i think all of them are going to be incredibly strong at diagnosing
00:53:48.460 yeah but the recommendations yeah they're going to have i think are going to be vastly different
00:53:53.840 to your point yeah yeah that would be my concern yeah it's like what what are the what's ai's uh
00:54:00.060 like diagnosing diabetes is easy but when what does it tell you to do yeah yeah exactly hey get
00:54:06.120 on my form in the rest of your life yeah well i guess we'll lose that luckily we have social
00:54:10.900 media and podcasts that's right so we still have information going out there that's amazing uh
00:54:16.780 okay another question what's the most i mean we went into like tongue reading i feel like that's
00:54:24.720 pretty unconventional at least here but i don't know if you call it tongue reading either what
00:54:29.480 do you call it tongue mapping yeah it's tongue map you got tongue mapping face mapping yeah oh
00:54:34.380 that that's so cool but um what's the most unconventional health practice
00:54:39.000 or experiment you personally tried oh goodness unconventional i mean we got into stem cells a
00:54:48.400 bit those are people at least don't kind of know about stem cells now has there been we got into
00:54:52.460 methylene blue that's a bit out i mean let me say this i i do think my you know my cocktail like i
00:54:58.700 was very conscious of like yeah um when i was when i was doing methylene blue i mean my i mean i my
00:55:06.540 p was blue for a month i mean it was literally blue it was um at first i'm like why is my people
00:55:12.800 i'm like oh okay i was doing that's a bit concerning it was this is kind of crazy i am
00:55:19.260 unconventional you know you know let me let me throw this out there because maybe this is uh
00:55:25.540 this is, um, so I'll, I'll give you a couple of things. One would be just prayer and being
00:55:37.200 still with God. I don't think that's probably very conventional. I, you know, I kind of like
00:55:41.820 to combine, there's this, this study on Japanese forest bathing and that if you just go outside
00:55:46.540 and sit in nature, it's incredibly healing. So I think for me, I think that one of the things
00:55:53.200 that I've found to be incredibly healing for myself
00:55:55.220 is I've found if I have a certain level of stress
00:55:58.140 or anxiety or something health-wise I'm battling,
00:56:01.320 if I start to just get outside in nature
00:56:03.520 and spend time trying to be in a state of awe and wonder,
00:56:08.560 it's incredibly healing.
00:56:11.240 I think that that is maybe,
00:56:13.220 if I try and position myself in a state of,
00:56:19.220 wow, look at that leaf.
00:56:21.660 Wow, look at the sky.
00:56:22.720 look at the sunset look at the ocean not just listen to the sound like in connect with god in
00:56:27.800 that way there is something so spiritually healing about that and it's so different than what we are
00:56:35.280 currently going through today it's like most of the time it's like cell phone buzzy an email
00:56:40.300 reading artificial light in you know bot you know in a box you know where walls are closing in around
00:56:47.000 me, just noise. And then to be able to get out in nature and then connect with God and spend time
00:56:54.740 in gratitude and awe and wonder, that maybe is the most unconventional and definitely I think
00:57:02.380 maybe the most healing thing that I've experienced. And I think there's a lot of people that they're
00:57:07.780 just so busy that their body can't heal. I think busyness is maybe the biggest roadblock to people
00:57:13.400 healing a lot of conditions today. And I think we need more margin in our lives to be able to just
00:57:18.440 go out by ourselves. I mean, this is something we see Jesus do in the Bible. Jesus is like,
00:57:23.080 what is he doing in the morning? He's going off by himself to pray in nature with God,
00:57:27.620 to do that thing. And I think that if people could create time in their week to go and do that,
00:57:34.680 I think that's as healing as a hyperbaric session, as an infrared sauna session, as an IV.
00:57:38.980 um so i i would say i would say that and then outside of that it's probably
00:57:44.320 you know doing an doing an iv that had ozone methylene blue silver meyers cocktail and
00:57:51.440 10 other things in it you know but that's yeah okay i'm i'm glad you brought that up actually
00:57:56.280 i was having a conversation with mom yesterday about how like differences between how i grew up
00:58:02.500 and dealt with traumatic experiences and then what changed since i became a christian yeah
00:58:08.220 and what changed for her we were talking about this and one of the things i went through a number
00:58:13.820 of therapists because when you have an autoimmune disorder and you're depressed and you're on psych
00:58:17.900 meds as a kid they throw you they give you a therapist that did not go well uh like i didn't
00:58:24.760 have good experiences with a number of therapists i eventually found one that was helpful but then
00:58:29.900 i met my husband and he was like maybe you should stop delving into all these traumatic experiences
00:58:34.660 like um and he came from it from a what i think is more of a christian perspective was like you're
00:58:40.900 new like the past is the past don't look back kind of thing and that was actually unbelievably
00:58:46.760 helpful for me because i grew up and this was partly influenced by my dad who said if you have
00:58:51.680 a traumatic experience that you keep reliving like in your head write it down and you talked
00:58:55.300 about this with chinese medicine is write it down but throw it throw it in the fire but i think i
00:59:01.740 I think what worked better for me actually was rather than writing it down, because then I get
00:59:06.540 into the details and I can remember a lot, especially from traumatic experiences that
00:59:11.900 are like hyper visual, um, is when my brain starts to go in that direction is going,
00:59:18.040 that isn't helpful. And that's not like forward thinking and focus on the good.
00:59:23.420 And I used to think about that as avoidance and that there was something I needed to figure out,
00:59:28.340 especially if something malevolent happened in the past. And I was like,
00:59:30.760 why did that happen i need to understand it but then it's the spiral you get into and i was like
00:59:34.740 you know i actually am a lot of a more of a calm person when i start thinking about something bad
00:59:41.640 that i can't really solve it's like something bad that happened to me and just stop thinking about
00:59:47.600 it instead of delving into it so what's your yeah like do you have a view of that is like
00:59:53.060 yeah is ruminating on it and trying to figure out writing it down and doing therapy about these
00:59:59.220 experiences that we all have that are terrible or like what have you used for for bad experiences
01:00:04.100 yeah yeah let me share so so one i i would say that i we we live in a culture of rumination
01:00:11.100 and there are people today that are just focusing on the problems and and i think probably 80 you're
01:00:16.340 you know it'd be interesting what what percentage your dad gives on this but i mean there's probably
01:00:20.480 80 80 of counseling sessions that are apps that are someone's going nowhere or sending them
01:00:25.580 backwards. Because I truly believe in most cases, if it's not being done from a Judeo-Christian 0.97
01:00:29.900 perspective, it's not leading people in the right direction. I think that there's a large group of 0.73
01:00:36.120 people that you don't need to keep focusing on your problems. You just need to move past. As
01:00:40.040 you share, this was a solution for you. Just focus on Jesus, move forward and past it. I do think
01:00:46.660 that there's a group of people. And what I was saying wasn't doing it multiple times. It was
01:00:50.600 once. It was because there are people that have buried things so deep down and it's affecting
01:01:02.160 them subconsciously and they don't know it. So I think my thought there is, and I've done this in
01:01:07.880 different Christian circles. I did something called the bondage breaker years ago. I did
01:01:11.340 something called heart sink. I've done a number of things. I'll just share. I went to a counseling
01:01:17.140 session about six weeks ago because, um, and this is the first time in a long time. I actually is
01:01:26.040 the first time I'd ever been to a one-on-one counselor. And I went because I had this full
01:01:30.880 year of not walking and just major, that was very hard. And then I had my best friend, my father-in-law
01:01:37.400 who was living with us. This was Chelsea's dad. He was 60, no health problems. I was going to
01:01:41.300 gym with him every day he had a massive heart attack last year and died oh my gosh and and like
01:01:48.440 it was hard because like our entire life was wrapped up with theirs like he was like i mean
01:01:52.640 like taking care of our daughter every day like they were that that was very hard and then i just
01:01:57.720 felt like i lost a business there were there were a number of things and we lost both our dogs like
01:02:03.360 all of this happened in like a very short period of time and i'd never experienced that much loss
01:02:09.060 all at the same time. And so I went and I basically shared with this just amazing man.
01:02:15.860 I just, I said, one of the things he helped me realize was, is that I, I was kind of saying
01:02:21.700 to myself, um, I was minimizing everything and I didn't realize I'd just done this with everything.
01:02:28.860 I'm like, I'm like, well, it's okay. I'm just, I can just move on. I can move on. I can move on.
01:02:33.300 And he helped me realize he said, no, listen, like you can't skip the mourning process.
01:02:37.520 like Jesus wept, like you need to go and just take a moment and just cry about this and release
01:02:45.040 and let go and, you know, ask God to help heal your heart and not minimize things because that's
01:02:50.520 not, you know, he's like, you know, you don't want to be the person that's also over complaining
01:02:54.620 and being a dramatic everybody, but he's like, you know, there's real loss here. And, um, and so
01:03:00.220 for me, I think I even went back and looked at my childhood and it's like, because I have an
01:03:03.980 military dad who is like an amazing dad, but he's like with everything rubbed dirt on it,
01:03:09.680 you know? And so I think for myself, that was a healing and really beneficial experience.
01:03:16.180 So I do think there's a group of people where, listen, you need to go one time with somebody,
01:03:21.480 do something, pull the stuff up and then give it to Jesus and say, God, I just, I recognize I had
01:03:27.820 this trauma. I forgive the person I'm moving on. But if you've never, if somebody hurts you and
01:03:33.040 you're holding a level of resentment in your heart there, I believe there is power and audibly
01:03:38.220 going into and saying, I forgive that person I'm moving on. But, but listen, I agree with you. I
01:03:42.320 think in most cases, I think if, if the person's aware of it, wallowing in it is the single worst
01:03:48.740 thing you can do. You're keeping yourself stuck. You're making yourself worse. So, so I absolutely
01:03:53.680 agree with your husband, Jordan, and sharing that because you were probably in the position where
01:03:57.060 you talked about it enough you've done it enough you know so i like that yeah i like that that
01:04:03.560 seems reasonable because that was more of the position i was in it's like i've delved deep
01:04:07.560 enough into this there's it's just it's shitty yeah yeah totally that's just it but like
01:04:15.220 yeah it was up there though it wasn't subconscious level yeah yeah and i think i think like if i'm
01:04:21.800 looking at biblically i think it's very much in line with what your husband jordan was sharing
01:04:25.880 though too, it's, it's like the Bible tells us to fix our eyes on Jesus. He's our, he, you know,
01:04:31.080 he'll, he'll help us overcome fear. He'll help us overcome worry and anxiety and depression,
01:04:35.640 all those things like meditating on him and his word and be deeply connected there. Um, and so I
01:04:41.400 think, yeah, I think there's a lot of wisdom there. Cool. Okay. That was helpful. Yeah. Wow.
01:04:47.660 Where can people find you? I know you have a massive YouTube channel. You've been on the
01:04:52.200 health scene like you were one of the first people i'd heard of i think when i started
01:04:57.000 trying to figure out what i was doing when i first started healing when i was like i'm cutting out
01:05:01.140 all my foods you know and then people be like oh you know that's kind of sounds like the paleo diet
01:05:05.780 i was like oh what does that mean yeah like and then there turns out there's like groups of people
01:05:09.940 talking about this that i'd never heard of but you were one of the first you and um who's the apple
01:05:17.620 guy, Mark's Daily Apple. Oh yeah. Mark Sisson. Yeah. Mark Sisson. Yeah. He was like back in the
01:05:22.800 day too. Super early on. Yeah. Um, but like, what are your channels? You have a podcast. I was just
01:05:29.080 on that. Yeah. Where can people go? Yeah. People should check out the podcast. It's the Dr. Josh
01:05:33.580 Axe show and you were on there. So everybody should watch the amazing episode that, that, uh,
01:05:37.800 that you did on there. Um, my handles are just at Dr. Josh Axe. I'm really active on Instagram
01:05:43.000 and YouTube. So YouTube channel, um, and Instagram where I'm most active and people can search,
01:05:48.040 like, let's say for instance, if somebody is dealing with autoimmune disease or estrogen
01:05:53.460 dominance or SIBO, they could look up Dr. Josh X hypothyroidism on YouTube and you'll find a lot
01:06:00.520 of content I've created on there. And then, um, I have a virtual practice. Um, and so people can
01:06:05.800 check out the health Institute, uh, there and, uh, and learn more. And I have like a video training
01:06:11.920 on like what typically how to get
01:06:13.620 to the root cause of your issue
01:06:14.840 and people go check out there.
01:06:16.620 But those are probably the best, best places.
01:06:18.760 Perfect.
01:06:19.200 Okay, I'm going to link all those in the description.
01:06:21.520 So people will be able to click on them.
01:06:23.380 But thank you so much for coming out here
01:06:24.960 and for helping me out over the last couple of years,
01:06:28.260 the mold issue and all the health issues
01:06:29.960 and being in touch.
01:06:31.120 Well, thanks so much for having me.
01:06:32.300 I love what you're doing in the world too.
01:06:33.760 Just, you know, spreading good.
01:06:35.560 So thanks for having me.