The Mikhaila Peterson Podcast - JBP Update： Re-education, Moving to the US, Russian Funding, and Bill C-63 ｜ EP 215

00:00:00.000 They told me that there was a warrant out for my arrest. I made sure I put my hands up on them,

00:00:04.760 dash, and waited. I said, what for? And they said, we don't know. Which is not good, right? That's

00:00:09.460 not good. Trudeau came out under oath and said you were being funded by Russians. Yeah, those

00:00:15.240 Russians, you know, the problem with Russians is they promise you the moon and then they never pay 1.00

00:00:19.420 you. I think Trudeau got confused because that's his permanent state of being. Me and Tucker Carlson, 1.00

00:00:25.080 russian agents the answer is simple for the canadians who are listening the colleges can

00:00:29.820 do whatever they want so if you're the member of a professional organization you better bloody well

00:00:34.460 remember that and they're going to make certain that you do remember it you're going to need the

00:00:38.620 advice of a professional at some point in your life and they are mandated to lie to you now and

00:00:43.180 so if that's the sort of service you want from your professionals then just stay asleep adventure

00:00:48.720 is divine comedy and the pathway to divine comedy is the truth and that's so what do you do when

00:00:56.260 you discover that who knew that miracles were comedic world's a weird place man that's for

00:01:02.980 sure and it's going to get stranger so strap on strap in oh yeah strap on

00:01:08.900 No, I scrapped you.

00:01:12.040 Brilliant.

00:01:12.820 Yeah.

00:01:18.180 Dad, welcome to my podcast.

00:01:20.560 Thanks for the invitation.

00:01:22.280 And welcome to moving to America formally.

00:01:25.760 I guess that's what happened, isn't it?

00:01:28.060 It is.

00:01:28.680 Uh-oh.

00:01:29.120 Is this the big announcement?

00:01:30.680 I mean, why not?

00:01:32.080 Might as well let the people know.

00:01:34.880 Yeah.

00:01:36.120 How do you feel about it?

00:01:36.940 And there are decided advantages to being here. I like where I'm living a lot. It's close to you.

00:01:44.960 We have lots of work to do. I'll spend plenty of time up in Canada still. But the issue with the

00:01:54.200 college of psychologists is very annoying, to say the least. And the new legislation that liberals

00:02:03.760 are attempting to push through. Bill C-63, it'd be, I'd be living in a totalitarian hellhole if

00:02:09.960 that legislation passes, and it could well pass. The tax situation is out of hand. The government

00:02:16.480 in Canada at the federal level is incompetent beyond belief, and it's become uncomfortable for

00:02:24.080 me in my neighborhood in Toronto yeah so and you're here and it's sunny all the time and we

00:02:35.620 have things to do yeah which we're doing which are working so that's how it is at the moment

00:02:46.200 so you're thrilled to be here it is what you're saying in other words yeah yeah yeah well there's

00:02:52.760 sorrow in it too nah no no i feel like ever since i was little it's like why would i live somewhere

00:02:59.480 where half the time it's dark and cold and wet yes well it is the it is very nice for to be

00:03:07.140 somewhere where every single day is sunny that there's something to be said for that yes agreed

00:03:12.880 well i do want to get into the college yeah but god not too much not too much just to touch on it

00:03:18.700 to update people. Yeah, right. I guess we need to update them. We should. Should we talk about the

00:03:23.320 24,000 complaints they got about their own behavior and the, like, two dozen they got about

00:03:28.280 mine? Or we could mention that? Yeah. We will definitely mention that. Or the fact that they

00:03:33.360 couldn't find anybody to re-educate me and looks like they had to go out of the country to find

00:03:38.020 someone who probably doesn't know anything about what's going on and is going to be the sacrificial

00:03:43.020 lamb? Or about the fact that they changed all the rules that they themselves created

00:03:49.420 to continue pursuing me and made it impossible for me to do it except in person? We'll talk

00:03:55.040 about all that. We'll talk about all that. Why did I decide

00:03:57.780 to build an online university? Well, there is a crisis now in higher education.

00:04:06.020 The president of Harvard University resigned today, weeks after...

00:04:09.260 calling for the genocide of Jews violate Penn's Code of Conduct.

00:04:14.260 We have a problem of affordability and cost, spiraling student loans.

00:04:18.260 We have a groupthink emerging and that warps the entire academic enterprise.

00:04:23.260 I experimented with putting my lectures online

00:04:26.260 and found that I could teach far more people at very low cost than I could at the university.

00:04:32.260 And I thought, well, why not scale that?

00:04:35.260 What I'm hoping to do is to find the best lectures in the world

00:04:42.040 and to bring them to as wide as possible an audience.

00:04:47.240 He came to me and he basically said,

00:04:49.060 I want you to do the best course that you've always wanted to do.

00:04:52.800 We want to bring you the highest quality education possible

00:04:55.660 at the lowest possible price.

00:04:57.620 It's extremely high-level content that anybody can use

00:05:00.140 to educate themselves and it's available to everybody.

00:05:02.860 Well, that would be good.

00:05:05.760 I think it's funny because I got cancelled at the university so I could try to return the favour.

00:05:12.840 After we did our last podcast, which was about a year ago,

00:05:15.820 I remembered you told me a story about being arrested in Montreal.

00:05:20.400 And I don't think it's on the internet.

00:05:22.260 And I think you should tell people about the ticket situation in Montreal.

00:05:26.100 Oh, I don't know if I should because I'm probably still liable to be arrested there.

00:05:30.720 Now, come on, it's funny.

00:05:31.600 Oh, well, when I lived in Montreal in 1985, I had a car for about a year that I brought from

00:05:40.280 Western Canada, kind of a rattle trap old thing, and it was impossible to park in Montreal. It's

00:05:46.720 still impossible to park in Montreal. The parking rules in Montreal are insane. There's no way you

00:05:53.320 can park in Montreal, period, but you certainly can't park and not get tickets. Anyways, I was

00:05:57.840 out one day at like six in the morning moving my car from one side of the street to the other

00:06:02.060 because this is what you have to do in Montreal and I was looking a lot for a parking spot and

00:06:07.020 I went through a red light and someone clipped my rear end was my fault entirely and apparently I

00:06:15.320 got a ticket for that which isn't surprising but they never gave me the ticket then apparently

00:06:21.860 they can mail you a ticket later I moved a lot in Montreal and I wasn't too concerned with forwarding

00:06:27.820 addresses and that sort of thing at that time in my life and years later like seven years later

00:06:35.620 I was it was the day I was going to hear from Harvard about whether or not I was going to get

00:06:43.060 hired there and I was driving along the road with my roommate at the time in another rattle trap old

00:06:49.560 car which I had just got it used to be my grandmother's and all of a sudden there was a

00:06:56.020 cop behind me in a car, and there was a cop in front of me in a car, and there was a cop beside

00:07:01.780 me, and then I was being pulled over. And this was just around a time when some poor son of a

00:07:09.620 bitch had got shot when he was pulled over for, I don't know, reaching beneath the seat too quickly 0.99

00:07:17.740 or something. So anyways, I made sure I put my hands up on the dash and waited, and they told 0.99

00:07:24.060 me that there was a warrant out for my arrest, and I thought, I said, what for? And they said,

00:07:30.640 we don't know, which is not good, right? That's not good, because, like, maybe it's for a traffic

00:07:36.660 ticket, which is what I eventually found out. I had no idea at that point. I had no idea that I

00:07:41.160 had an outstanding traffic ticket, and anyways, they said they didn't know, and they escorted me

00:07:46.880 to the police station and said that I had an unpaid ticket, and that I owed $350, which was

00:07:53.560 a lot of money at this time, this was like in 1992, I believe, so it was literally seven years later,

00:07:59.400 and it turned out that my roommate there had all the rent money in cash, and so anyways, they took

00:08:09.480 my, they weren't gonna let me go unless I paid this, which was also weird in retrospect, because

00:08:16.380 like do you pay a ticket at the police station in cash maybe well French law is different than

00:08:24.900 English law French civil law is different but anyways they took my shoelaces and all the other

00:08:32.080 things I might use to hang myself with and were going to put me in a cell and I said that I had

00:08:36.880 the money and I went I don't remember how they let me contact my roommate who was still sitting

00:08:42.920 in the car wondering what the hell was going on, and I paid it, and they let me out, and I thought

00:08:47.780 they would just figure if I got a call from Harvard to let me know whether I got my job

00:08:53.320 there, that I would be in jail, and I wasn't sure how that would be explained. Anyways, so that was

00:08:59.160 annoying, and comical, and ridiculous, and dangerous, and surprising, and then like four years later,

00:09:08.040 I had moved down to Boston because I did get my job at Harvard, which I was absolutely thrilled with, 0.99

00:09:14.680 because Harvard at one point, instead of being a, like, woke, DEI-infested rat hole, was actually 1.00

00:09:21.480 arguably the world's best university, and it was a very good place in the early 1990s. 0.96

00:09:27.220 And I was driving back to Montreal to visit people in Montreal, and I made a left-hand turn where I

00:09:36.660 shouldn't because i was trying to get on a highway which is also very difficult downtown montreal

00:09:41.580 people have to understand montreal is not like the rest of canada parking is impossible they

00:09:47.440 change the laws so you have to move your car at like five or six in the morning because it's

00:09:52.080 suddenly illegal to park on that side of the street yeah and driving is impossible and nobody

00:09:56.760 there drives properly it's a crazy place to drive yeah it's like the craziest place to drive in

00:10:02.520 Canada easily. And having said that, apart from the riots, because, and we can thank Trudeau for

00:10:07.240 that, because Montreal, when I lived there, it was a wonderful city. I loved it in every possible

00:10:12.400 way, except the winters were brutal. The food was great. It was peaceful and a joyous city, really.

00:10:19.700 It was a party outside all the time in Montreal. I loved Montreal. It was a great city. And so

00:10:25.760 it had these weird bureaucratic problems, but it, but that certainty didn't retract from the fact

00:10:32.160 that it's just a great place. And anyways, I made an illegal left-hand turn, and the cops pulled me

00:10:37.240 over. And they said, there's a warrant out for your arrest. And I thought, oh my god, now I'm

00:10:44.000 really in trouble, you know, because they have to, they basically have to take you in if there's a

00:10:50.400 warrant. And I said, well, I have no idea what's going on here. Like, I don't live here. I've been

00:10:57.860 gone for like three years and they said well apparently you have a traffic ticket from like

00:11:02.940 1985 that wasn't paid and I thought yeah it was paid and I said I paid it at the police station

00:11:09.480 and they said do you have a receipt and I thought yeah I have a receipt from everything I've bought

00:11:15.640 in the last 30 years my trunk is full of all the receipts that I always carry around everywhere

00:11:20.800 especially after I've moved out of the country I said well no I don't have the receipt like

00:11:25.580 seriously you know and they said well we either have to arrest you or let you go and they let me

00:11:32.040 go which was like okay well thank you I mean that's excellent I don't understand it but

00:11:39.180 great you know I mean I had I think I had you with me in the car you know always coming in

00:11:45.840 handy yeah I know I know baby and I think Tammy was with me and so you know we looked vaguely

00:11:51.760 respectable and it was obvious that well even where I turned left illegally everyone turned

00:11:57.560 left illegally there because it was the only way you could get on the highway without taking some 0.99

00:12:01.100 idiot circuitous route so anyways then I thought well what the hell am I going to do about this 0.97

00:12:06.700 because I paid that ticket so I phoned the police station I said there's a warrant out for my arrest 0.99

00:12:12.080 what should I do and they said I said should I come in and straighten this out they said no if

00:12:17.400 you come in we have to arrest you and I thought well that doesn't sound like a very good deal

00:12:22.940 so they didn't say come in right now so we can arrest you they said if you come in we have to

00:12:29.360 arrest you and it was sort of like nudge nudge wink wink hint hint you know don't come in so I

00:12:35.020 didn't and so probably there's still a warrant out for my arrest in Montreal it's like that would be

00:12:40.500 like literally is that 20 years ago 25 years ago I don't know I probably owe $187,000 in

00:12:48.480 accumulated fines now and like I'm facing a prison sentence of 15 years and if that happens then it's

00:12:53.840 your fault Michaela for making this story public so anyways who knows hopefully I like that it's

00:13:02.280 long forgotten because things could be forgotten before computers were everywhere and and nothing

00:13:08.300 could ever be forgotten ever so yeah anyways montreal is a great city let's accept that now

00:13:15.880 there are riots there all the time and that's justin trudeau's fault and that's because he's 0.98

00:13:20.200 a scum rat and hopefully when canadians wise up as they are rapidly next october because he'll 0.99

00:13:26.780 last that long because jagmeet singh who's like the world's worst political weasel and that's a 1.00

00:13:32.240 hard contest to win, is propping him up because he's a coward, he's a corrupt, posturing, 0.98

00:13:40.160 narcissistic, power mad, posturing, I said that already, but he does posture a lot, so 0.99

00:13:49.100 it's okay to say it twice.

00:13:51.080 He's the most, he's got all of Trudeau's faults and none of his virtues, and given that Trudeau

00:13:56.360 was like 85% fault and 15% virtue, if that, 0.73

00:14:00.180 then Justin Seng is quite the catastrophic monster. 1.00

00:14:05.240 To think of him as a leader of the working class 1.00

00:14:07.200 is something so preposterous that it could only occur 0.92

00:14:10.820 in today's political situation.

00:14:12.840 Anyways, Pierre Apoliev, who's one of the new conservatives

00:14:16.020 in Canada, with a spine like Danielle Smith,

00:14:19.320 who's giving Trudeau hell, and justly so,

00:14:22.100 Pierre Apoliev and his conservatives

00:14:24.020 are gonna demolish the liberals.

00:14:26.420 They might not even exist as a political party.

00:14:29.600 They're right now in third place after the NDP.

00:14:32.940 Are they really?

00:14:33.780 Yeah, yeah, and they could fall forth.

00:14:35.700 With any luck, there'll be no liberals left.

00:14:38.660 And I hope that I've had something to do with that

00:14:40.900 because they richly deserve it.

00:14:43.140 They richly deserve it.

00:14:44.680 I mean, Guilbeau, who's Trudeau's Minister of Energy,

00:14:48.020 he's basically declared war on Alberta,

00:14:50.080 which has the third largest fossil fuel reserves

00:14:52.680 in the world and could provide all of North America

00:14:54.860 with stable energy, forever.

00:14:56.980 Stable, clean, dictator-free energy, forever.

00:15:01.140 Grilbeau announced three weeks ago that he was a socialist.

00:15:04.100 It's like, I don't know if you noticed, Steve, baby,

00:15:07.320 we have a socialist party in Canada that was called the NDP.

00:15:10.720 The Liberal Party were classic liberals.

00:15:12.780 The socialists were to go in the NDP, 0.89

00:15:14.820 but the bloody progressives don't care about that. 0.94

00:15:17.420 They lie about everything all the time. 0.95

00:15:19.480 And if they have to infiltrate Canada's centrist party

00:15:22.760 and turn it radically left, so radically left

00:15:25.940 that the NDP actually have no reason to even exist, 0.83

00:15:28.840 they don't give a damn.

00:15:30.440 And then you have the specter of Singh 0.74

00:15:35.240 cozying up to the Liberals, constantly supporting them,

00:15:38.580 even though he publicly proclaimed that he wouldn't

00:15:41.640 or that he'd stopped only to guarantee his pension,

00:15:44.780 which is exactly what's happening. 0.95

00:15:46.860 So, yeah, he's despicable, and seriously despicable. 0.74

00:15:51.580 And I can say that now without having to be afraid 0.52

00:15:54.140 of being reported to the Canadian College of Psychologists

00:15:58.240 by a dozen people compared to the 30,000 complaints

00:16:02.060 they got about their treatment of me,

00:16:03.800 all of which they're supposed to investigate,

00:16:06.040 and none of which I imagine they did.

00:16:08.640 So perhaps I'm free to say that now, given that it's true,

00:16:12.440 like all the other things I said

00:16:14.280 I was complained about to the college. This is why I'm glad you're now living in Scottsdale and not

00:16:21.980 in Toronto. It's no wonder. Do you know that Canadians are now poorer per capita with regard

00:16:27.500 to GDP than people who live in Mississippi? Canada is poorer. The richest province in Canada 0.54

00:16:33.480 is poorer than the poorest state in the United States. That's all happened since Trudeau, all of

00:16:39.680 but Canada was basically at parity a decade ago,

00:16:42.820 and the Americans are basically 40% ahead.

00:16:46.840 You know, and you can see why,

00:16:48.100 because what happens is that as soon as you're successful

00:16:50.620 anywhere in the world, if you have any sense,

00:16:52.380 you move to the United States,

00:16:53.880 because everything is way easier here,

00:16:59.500 and you don't get hassled as much.

00:17:03.480 I couldn't believe how much easier it was here when I moved.

00:17:06.960 Everything.

00:17:07.400 like it's buying things is way easier like you can instantly get anything which is amazing

00:17:13.980 you know it sounds like that's maybe over the like over the top but it's very it is over the

00:17:20.580 top but it's very convenient even easy to get a driver's license oh i know getting a driver's

00:17:25.720 license is easy like everything's easy the the amount of red tape in canada compared to here

00:17:29.880 it's insane you can't do anything yeah crazy yeah well and the americans are going to be

00:17:35.260 working real hard at getting rid of some extra red tape so and they'll probably manage it so

00:17:40.520 that would be great well well we might as well cover oh before we cover yeah college congratulations

00:17:46.840 on hitting number one on the new york times yes and thank you very much to the new york times for

00:17:52.480 um posting my book as number one on your list i'm sure you were absolutely thrilled to announce the

00:18:00.120 fact that a book that I wrote that concentrates on religious tradition is now the number one

00:18:06.060 best-selling book in the advice what is the category it was it was self-improvement and

00:18:11.540 miscellaneous I believe yeah advice self-improvement miscellaneous something like that and is it a

00:18:17.020 self-improvement book well sure why not everything you do kind of circles around yeah well I am a

00:18:24.580 psychologist and so far a clinical psychologist and I try to make everything I do have its

00:18:31.420 practical applications and so this book is a we who wrestle with God is what it's called I guess

00:18:37.060 it's sitting right there it's perfectly angled it's perfectly angled there we go um we see the

00:18:43.160 world through a story and the modern insistence is that that's a fragmented and meaningless story

00:18:50.260 that's what makes you a nihilist or that the only true story is one of momentary pleasure and that's

00:18:56.520 the hedonistic fallacy and or it's a story of power which is what the post-modernist radicals

00:19:02.720 push and the Marxists and the tyrants and none of that's true the nihilistic story the hedonistic

00:19:10.760 story the story of power they're all self-devouring they can't sustain themselves across time socially

00:19:16.040 and they lead to misery psychologically and the biblical insistence is that people live in

00:19:23.200 relationship to the divine and I believe that that's true or not because you don't have to but

00:19:29.760 it's it's true that you can and should or else that's also true and

00:19:38.080 it's paired with the insistence that the true and proper story of your relationship with the

00:19:47.300 divine is one of voluntary sacrifice. And that's true. It's true. And what I tried to do in the

00:19:54.000 book, or I think what I did in the book, because it was more than try, I made sure that all of

00:20:03.420 the interpretations I offered for the biblical stories were scientifically valid and so that's

00:20:08.880 fun that was an interesting challenge to manage both of those and I think we're at a point where

00:20:14.160 that can be done and I also think we're at a point where we can understand what the biblical stories

00:20:19.060 mean in the kind of detail that makes them conceptually coherent even self-evident and

00:20:24.960 very very applicable to the manner in which you conduct your life the way you direct your attention

00:20:30.720 the way you treat yourself, the way you treat others. I learned a lot writing this book. There's

00:20:35.780 a couple of things that went along with it. I did a seminar on Exodus with The Daily Wire, which was

00:20:41.140 the most popular offering The Daily Wire has ever produced, except for Matt Walsh's movies.

00:20:47.380 And so that was a complete shock to everyone. Although, to give The Daily Wire credit, where

00:20:53.020 it's certainly due, they were fully on board with that endeavor, and they even funded it

00:20:58.500 when it doubled in length, and so good for them, and I learned a lot from the stellar people that

00:21:03.800 were on that series, participated with me, and we just released the gospel series on Daily Wire

00:21:10.340 December, it'll be released December 1st, same crew, couple of additions, couple of subtractions,

00:21:16.620 you know, we had to work with people's schedules, but I believe the gospel series will be everything

00:21:22.660 that the Exodus series was, and more. And so that's really fun. I have another book planned

00:21:28.180 in this series, which will deal with the story of Job and the passion of Christ, and it's already

00:21:33.640 written, 80% or thereabouts, and so I'll continue my analysis into the New Testament. Unbelievably

00:21:41.220 interesting work, and I think, well, we'll see. The public reviews are already in. You know,

00:21:48.220 once you get about 150 reviews on Amazon, the rating stabilizes. Most of the negative reviews

00:21:54.600 are, and there are very few of them, by the way, are people who receive damaged books, you know,

00:22:01.240 so that's a bit of a flaw in the review system, but people are responding to the book the same

00:22:05.620 way they responded to 12 Rules, you know, that they're interested in conceptually and philosophically

00:22:10.860 because it explains things, but they're also able to apply what I've written to their own lives,

00:22:17.960 and hooray, that's a great deal.

00:22:21.220 I'm thrilled about it

00:22:22.140 and I'm very happy with the success of the book

00:22:25.160 and as I said, it's greatly comical

00:22:28.240 that it hit number one

00:22:29.320 in the New York Times bestseller. 0.97

00:22:30.620 I think that's ridiculous, preposterous 0.97

00:22:33.220 and extremely, it's just about as funny 0.97

00:22:36.360 as having Jay Bhattacharya

00:22:37.620 run the National Health Service

00:22:39.040 or Elon Musk cleaning up the American governments.

00:22:43.480 Like what the hell?

00:22:44.360 Everything has turned into a what?

00:22:45.760 a right everything is turned into a right-wing comedy i know you know what the hell really

00:22:51.200 satisfying it's so satisfying oh my gosh uh you did sermon on the mount for peterson academy too

00:22:58.340 yeah well that's the other forget about that yeah yeah well that's another thing that another

00:23:02.880 sequence of very unlikely events when did we launch uh august we launched in august we kind

00:23:09.660 of launched in july and then there was a pre-enrollment till till august right right so

00:23:13.780 So we launched Peterson Academy, and its goal was to bring the highest possible quality education,

00:23:20.220 the kind of education that was reserved only for, really for Ivy League elites,

00:23:25.600 to everyone for the lowest possible cost.

00:23:29.140 And we did that.

00:23:30.660 I tell you, when I looked at the previews, the trailers,

00:23:34.480 there's a lot of trailers at Peterson Academy,

00:23:36.360 so you can go look at them there if you're interested.

00:23:39.260 The trailers, what did Michael Mellis say about his trailer?

00:23:42.320 he said it made him cry

00:23:44.520 yeah well I felt this now

00:23:47.080 for me like I cry at the drop of a hat

00:23:49.220 so it's not as big a deal but Malice is an 0.99

00:23:51.120 ornery bastard so to bring him 0.98

00:23:53.240 to tears is really something he did a course 1.00

00:23:55.140 for us on the Soviet Union

00:23:57.120 and totalitarianism and you guys

00:23:59.320 did a bang up job of producing

00:24:01.380 it the images are great every

00:24:03.160 course has its own style sheet

00:24:04.860 the trailers are exciting

00:24:07.400 the way a good movie trailer is exciting

00:24:09.380 the courses look spectacular

00:24:11.360 the professors are excellent the social media platform has really taken off um so why don't

00:24:18.600 you talk a little bit about your experiences with that oh wow it's a super positive place to be

00:24:25.580 which is fine like you go on x and i i mean i love what elon's done with x and and but it's

00:24:32.180 very political which is fine we needed to push still a rat hole of vipers oh yeah and then

00:24:37.760 there's some dark areas on there wow and i just like recently found out existed and was like

00:24:42.780 i don't know what that area is uh but they like the people on the platform are mostly talking

00:24:50.400 about philosophical ideas self-improvement talking about how the watching the courses

00:24:55.100 is applicable in their lives and how it's changing like how they get raises or what

00:24:59.300 they're doing in relationships and it's just and it's it's interesting it's a little

00:25:05.080 it's it's i've never seen a social media platform where people are boosting each other up like they

00:25:11.800 are yeah on peterson academy it's weird it's great what we had hoped was that we'd establish

00:25:16.800 a culture of communication on the social media side because we want to have a social life for

00:25:22.580 the university and we're going to do or for the academy we're going to do a lot more on the social

00:25:27.300 life side. Yeah. And we wanted to ensure that there was high level civilized discourse that

00:25:35.060 characterized the social media platform, which has many of the same features as the standard

00:25:40.180 common social media systems that everyone is familiar with. Now, how many people did we kick

00:25:47.500 off four we kicked off four yeah thirty seven hours and something like that yeah we have 38

00:25:55.960 thousand students so thank you very much to everyone who's participating we're thrilled

00:26:00.060 about that and yeah yeah yeah seriously thank you and you've you've sketched out a great books

00:26:04.920 curriculum with a more heavy science emphasis for the next for four years yeah we have courses

00:26:11.160 coming out now planned until july and we're gonna have we're gonna go from three courses a month

00:26:16.820 which was a lot, because they're eight-hour courses each, to four courses a month in January.

00:26:21.040 And lots of people have said, you know, that listening to the courses has replaced

00:26:25.300 their YouTube podcasts on their drives, and, you know, and, well, that's not surprising,

00:26:31.840 because we have the best professors. They are the best professors from the best universities,

00:26:39.120 from the remnants of the best universities, let's put it that way, and I really mean that,

00:26:44.000 I mean that specifically. We've had professors who are working for us inquire about whether

00:26:49.300 there's any possibility of them working full-time for us because these once great universities are

00:26:55.220 going to shed their great professors because they treat them abysmally and they're nasty

00:26:59.880 administratively overrun DEI hell holes and so and we're going to fix that and we have

00:27:05.900 and the price has been very well received. We argued about price back and forth a lot

00:27:12.280 and we tried to make it as low as possible

00:27:15.340 without cheapening it,

00:27:18.520 without, and while allowing us to be profitable

00:27:23.560 and to have the capital at hand

00:27:26.780 to ensure our survival and to grow as rapidly as we possibly can

00:27:29.920 in all the directions we want to grow.

00:27:31.620 And we got that.

00:27:33.220 Do you know how many people, like from the support,

00:27:35.340 do you know how many people we've hired since August?

00:27:37.380 No.

00:27:38.660 Nineteen.

00:27:39.920 Yep.

00:27:40.240 we just i just like we added them up the other day because we've added 19 people and that's in

00:27:44.760 like development and production customer service like all those different areas 19 people since

00:27:50.560 august yeah now and you mentioned the courses so what courses have i got on peterson academy the

00:27:56.400 course on nietzsche nietzsche's out first half of beyond good and order so i still have to do the

00:28:01.000 second half what else is beyond good and beyond good and evil sorry beyond good and evil that's

00:28:08.440 good order beyond and order always go together so yeah okay so you have sermon on the mount you

00:28:16.380 have a personality course that looks amazing that's coming out in december yeah and then we

00:28:21.440 have piaget that you filmed right filmed a maps of meaning course like we have a bunch that you've

00:28:26.940 already filmed yeah how to organize your life those are already filmed yeah so those are going

00:28:32.100 to be coming out next year but the personality one looks great yeah yeah the trailer for that

00:28:38.200 should be done relatively soon eh yeah I mean it's out it'll be out right away like December

00:28:42.580 yeah and who are the more who are the most popular professors on the platform right at the moment do

00:28:48.560 you think you know who people really like uh people really like James Orr's course well like

00:28:55.620 James Orr is the archetypal professor I know he's got the perfect English accent British accent and

00:29:01.020 yeah he does people people love that so he has ancient philosophy and that that's his recent

00:29:07.700 course can I remember what the other course is oh Plato yeah and so it's funny like people really

00:29:13.840 like those courses and then um if people ask like hey I just joined the platform what courses should

00:29:19.100 I watch usually people have completely different answers which is nice oh that's good yeah so

00:29:23.800 that's yeah well we don't have any unpopular courses I would say and all the professors

00:29:28.380 We're going to maintain this level of quality.

00:29:30.840 We want all our courses to be outstanding.

00:29:33.760 And the production quality is unsurpassed.

00:29:37.520 I think we can safely say that these are the best university lectures

00:29:42.080 that have ever been offered in terms of content and presentation.

00:29:47.560 And maybe by quite a lot.

00:29:49.280 We have David Eagleman coming out right away, which is going to be amazing.

00:29:54.640 And we have math.

00:29:56.240 I'm going to watch all the math ones.

00:29:57.460 i haven't seen all the courses yeah we've done editing and everything but i haven't watched them

00:30:01.060 all the way through but the math courses look really good it's like an intro to trigonometry

00:30:07.460 um algebra there's one other one but we're going to cover all those which should be really fun

00:30:14.260 yeah it's been it's been so much yeah and we're working hard on the accreditation side in so far

00:30:19.860 as that's necessary and it's desirable and I believe we'll crack that

00:30:26.020 problem in the next relatively short while. We've got good leads and even if

00:30:32.520 that doesn't work out because the accreditation agencies are stuck you

00:30:36.380 know in 20 years ago and are also ideologically corrupt in the same way

00:30:41.160 that the university institutions are, we're going to figure out ways to match

00:30:45.040 our graduates with employers and I'm certain we'll be able to do that yeah

00:30:50.500 so and hopefully offer people who do very well opportunities economic

00:30:55.300 opportunities that's also part of the plan and it's a serious plan and it's a

00:30:59.980 high probability of outcome although most people I don't know the exact

00:31:04.180 percentage but most people on the platform have jobs like like most people

00:31:08.780 on the platform are interested in educating themselves further but have

00:31:12.340 their job situation. Yeah, do we know, are we, do we know off the top of your head, do you know

00:31:18.660 what percentage of people are taking the exams and compared to what percentage of people just

00:31:23.140 want to take the courses? I don't, I need to, I need to catch up with my CTO and see about that.

00:31:28.100 It was an open question as far as we were concerned, what percentage of people would want

00:31:32.820 the formal education process, which it would include examinations and accreditation, and

00:31:37.540 and what percentage of people would just that's not the right word would be interested in the

00:31:44.980 platform purely because they wanted to learn which is the best possible motivation everyone

00:31:50.500 on the platform is who's teaching is there merely because they want to teach and we give all of our

00:31:56.180 professors carte blanche like they're they're very carefully selected but we exercise no a priori

00:32:02.980 editorial control over what they teach right and all we're looking for is people who are

00:32:08.120 spectacularly knowledgeable and interesting and who love to teach and that's what we've got so far

00:32:13.280 and so a lot of our people our students are there merely because they want to learn merely and

00:32:18.620 that's the best possible kind of student and we should also point out that this isn't for 18 to

00:32:26.140 22 year olds it's fine if you're 18 to 22 and that's great and it'll be a great adjunct to

00:32:33.600 your education even if you're already enrolled in university and but if you're like 15 and smart or 0.61

00:32:41.220 13 and smart then hey have at her and there's absolutely no reason for people who are well in

00:32:47.940 the midst of their career or who mother's at home or or retired people who want to

00:32:52.980 flesh out there who want to have the university education they never did have or never had time

00:33:00.020 for there's absolutely no reason that this has to be restricted to people who are of you know

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00:34:11.560 okay we should get to your um college fiasco situation and before we start that we should

00:34:18.360 also clarify you didn't move to the u.s to run away from the college that's not what happened

00:34:22.640 at all this has been planned like immigration has been planned for a number of years yeah i

00:34:26.980 wouldn't run away from it's america yeah no no it's just like it's also a political benefit i

00:34:32.520 found i was stressed out about you living in downtown toronto people knew where you lived

00:34:36.360 neighborhood i thought was on has been uncomfortable since 2016 when there were

00:34:41.020 reporters down the street uh and i lived in kind of a champagne socialist neighborhood and

00:34:47.540 most of the people there have been positively predisposed to be but a substantial minority

00:34:55.740 have definitely not been and i'm less popular in my own neighborhood than i am anywhere else in

00:35:02.720 the world literally and that's very annoying and my son Julian your brother as you know he um he

00:35:11.400 lived on the street too which is part of the reason I lived there right because we yeah and

00:35:15.340 he also was inclined to move away because it had become uncomfortable and that's I didn't ever

00:35:21.760 expect that to be something that happened in Canada but under Justin and the woke mob that's

00:35:28.460 definitely something that's happened I didn't realize Julian moved out of the neighborhood

00:35:32.340 because he was uncomfortable.

00:35:33.980 I mean, I was certainly uncomfortable in that neighborhood.

00:35:35.040 There were other reasons,

00:35:36.680 but I don't think he would have moved.

00:35:40.840 Like, part of the reason was we weren't there as often

00:35:43.240 as we had originally envisioned,

00:35:45.120 so there was less reason for him to be there,

00:35:47.540 and there was certainly no reason for him to be there

00:35:49.620 if it was uncomfortable.

00:35:52.080 You know, and I'm not very happy about that.

00:35:54.020 Like, we lived in that neighborhood for 20 years. 1.00

00:35:56.320 And neither am I, stupid people. 0.99

00:35:57.160 And I was very good to people in that neighborhood, 1.00

00:36:00.440 and so was Tammy, and, well,

00:36:02.020 and you guys grew up there and so the fact that it had become politicized is it was educational

00:36:07.960 put it that way it was that neighborhood was filled with people who would have called their

00:36:12.000 neighbor on someone who had a party during covid or had their family members over during covid

00:36:16.440 that it turns out that's where we lived that's why i was like see ya we also want to yes toronto

00:36:23.260 was very bad during the lockdown very bad very bad and the toronto district school board is an

00:36:29.020 absolute disgrace. It's probably the most woke institution in North America, which is really

00:36:34.920 saying something. And the city is basically run by the wife of the leader, the last leader of

00:36:41.200 the Socialist Party in Canada. And so the goal in Toronto is to turn it into Portland or San

00:36:47.440 Francisco. And that's happening. You know, there's tent cities and street crime in Toronto. And

00:36:53.860 they've just left the traffic situation in Toronto degenerate completely because you can excuse your 0.71

00:37:00.260 incompetence as a city administrator it turns out by pretending that you're a green utopian and

00:37:05.180 working for the benefit of the planet while you fail to do your job and let the city degenerate 0.83

00:37:10.160 into a snarled up rat hole so yeah anyways apologies for all that but it what it has been

00:37:19.460 see i didn't know how stressed i was in my neighborhood until i left

00:37:22.760 and that's not pleasant it's not pleasant i know i could tell because i left and i came back and it

00:37:32.260 was just like heavy it's heavy people in toronto are stressed hopefully in october things turn

00:37:40.160 around and things start to right themselves um but yeah if you fly into toronto after you've

00:37:45.460 been away for a while it's stressful the problem is we're going to find out in canada that

00:37:50.040 things are a lot worse than we thought because i'm sure that trudeau is so spectacularly 0.97

00:37:57.580 incompetent that there's endless discoveries of corruption and idiocy to be un to be unveiled 0.96

00:38:06.620 and i'm afraid for pierre polyev that he's going to be left with a terrible mess 0.95

00:38:12.320 and will immediately be blamed by the remnants of the legacy media which he'll also help dispense

00:38:20.740 with because i think the canadian broadcasting corporation is on the chopping block which it

00:38:25.180 richly deserves 1.4 billion dollars in direct subsidy a year 600 million dollars in government

00:38:31.560 advertising you go to the cbc youtube channel and look at the last 50 things they posted and

00:38:40.160 this includes whole shows, like specials that they've made, sitcoms, etc., where they're posting

00:38:47.180 them for free. They all have under a hundred views each, which means that the only people who

00:38:53.980 watched them are the people who made them, and probably not even then. And of course, they

00:38:58.800 disallow comments, because CBC is too clueless to understand that if you're going to be successful

00:39:04.140 in the social media world, you have to understand the ecosystems that you're trying to participate

00:39:08.260 paid in, and comments on YouTube are actually mandatory, not optional. And so, anyways, it's a

00:39:17.200 sad scenario, and I wish Danielle Smith plenty of luck in Alberta as she's trying to take on the

00:39:22.280 federal government. She's a tough cookie and a reliable person as far as I'm concerned, and Pierre

00:39:27.600 is, he's got his rough edges and he's got sharp teeth, and someone like that is necessary, but

00:39:33.260 he's also maturing very rapidly into his role. I really like his wife and he's got an actual

00:39:39.220 family instead of the pretend family that our friend Justin had and it's not a facade or a lie

00:39:45.380 like Justin's whole life and so with any luck next October Canada will flip hard and much harder than

00:39:54.300 the United States has you know I mean obviously Trump won a spectacular victory but it's still

00:39:59.580 about a 50-50 split in the United States,

00:40:02.520 whereas in Canada, it's going to go 90-10, I think.

00:40:06.680 You think?

00:40:08.100 I don't know.

00:40:09.200 Oh, it will in terms of the election results.

00:40:13.180 Oh, I could see a situation easily

00:40:15.200 where the Liberals lose their party status

00:40:17.140 because you have to have a certain number of seats.

00:40:20.020 You have to win a certain number of ridings,

00:40:21.780 constituencies to maintain your status as a party.

00:40:24.420 I could easily see that,

00:40:25.540 not the Liberals failing at that

00:40:27.260 and actually not existing as a political party anymore.

00:40:30.440 That'll be Justin Trudeau's legacy.

00:40:32.780 Well, they've moved so far left,

00:40:34.600 there isn't a political party there.

00:40:36.720 Well, there's certainly not a socialist political party left.

00:40:39.520 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:40:40.220 Now, the NDP, the Socialist Party,

00:40:42.400 will pick up a fair number of the people 1.00

00:40:44.580 who are too daft to know that the whole woke mob idiocy, 1.00

00:40:48.980 scene of idiocy is over. 1.00

00:40:51.320 And there's, you know, the NDP in Canada 0.99

00:40:54.300 has picked up 20% of the population

00:40:56.200 since like 1960 that's unlikely to change but the conservatives are going to win an overwhelming

00:41:03.060 victory and they're actually conservative god willing and so which means in american terms

00:41:10.360 that they're basically classic liberals by the way because canadian conservatives are centrists

00:41:15.060 by any you know by the standards of any other country yeah so definitely anyways it's a painful

00:41:20.600 thing to watch the country degenerate into fractious poverty as a consequence of nothing

00:41:30.780 other than immaturity, which is like the hallmark of Trudeau. He's so immature. He looks like a 14 0.51

00:41:38.640 year old. It's no wonder he was like, I don't mean, I mean, I learned this when I was a therapist.

00:41:44.300 you know I learned to look at people to see how old they were psychologically like I could watch

00:41:50.900 my clients while they were telling me stories especially stories about their past they would

00:41:55.240 take on the facial expressions of children sometimes when they were talking about past

00:42:00.000 experience especially traumatic experiences and I could I learned how to see how old people were

00:42:05.260 and I swear this is not a personal slur Trudeau is somewhere between he's somewhere between 13 and

00:42:13.180 15. And that's not good when you're 50. You know, he was at a Taylor Swift concert the other day,

00:42:19.520 non-ironically handing out friendship bracelets while Montreal burned. It's not acceptable. And so

00:42:27.100 he was the pretty boy of the progressive movement. And he's going to get his comeuppance. But I'm

00:42:36.360 afraid as a wounded narcissist that he's going to do plenty of damage. You know, the country doesn't

00:42:40.500 deserve a leader as spectacular as he is and he's certainly going to show that to everyone in this

00:42:45.640 last year of his rule because he'll he'll take his revenge he will take his revenge he's going to do

00:42:52.980 that with bill c63 which is the most totalitarian bill i've ever seen you think they'll actually

00:42:57.880 pass that it's it's through first reading yes oh my god i think they'll pass it i think they'll

00:43:03.900 pass it okay thank goodness you yeah well it's a bill that purports to protect children from

00:43:10.280 online harm and that's the beginning of the bill and the end of the bill and the middle is

00:43:16.160 literally the creation of a new extrajudicial system that isn't bound by the rules of

00:43:22.340 legal investigation or or guilt which has an unlimited range of expansion and all the powers

00:43:30.720 of a court and more like more than any court in canada has ever had as far as i can see and can

00:43:37.360 Can you tell people just briefly what the bill is about?

00:43:40.380 Well, here's one of the elements of the bill.

00:43:42.840 So you'll be able to take the complaining types,

00:43:49.360 so the informants.

00:43:51.260 80% of the population.

00:43:52.540 No, it's not that high.

00:43:53.660 It's about 30%, I would say.

00:43:55.840 That's so scary.

00:43:57.160 Yeah, I know.

00:43:57.660 It's plenty.

00:43:59.760 You'll be able to take someone

00:44:02.120 in front of a provincial magistrate

00:44:03.860 because you're afraid that sometime in the next year

00:44:08.020 they might commit a hate crime,

00:44:10.420 which is the sort of thing

00:44:11.480 that people are being pursued for in the UK now,

00:44:14.440 although they call them non-crime hate incidents.

00:44:16.980 They're not actually crimes there,

00:44:18.800 although they're recorded,

00:44:20.440 and they come up if you do an employment search for someone.

00:44:23.400 And there's thousands of people being persecuted

00:44:25.200 for non-crime hate incidents, including journalists.

00:44:28.000 Non-crime hate incidents.

00:44:28.720 Non-crime hate incidents.

00:44:30.120 So Orwellian.

00:44:30.780 Yeah, so Orwellian.

00:44:31.380 It's unbelievable.

00:44:32.040 Yeah. Anyways, if I'm afraid that you might commit a hate crime, on the basis of my fear,

00:44:38.900 if the magistrate agrees that my fear is warranted, and God only knows how that is to be

00:44:45.240 adjudicated, it would certainly be warranted, let's say, in my situation, because I'm a repeat

00:44:50.580 offender, as the college has so, what would you say, morally pointed out, I'm at high risk to

00:44:56.900 re-offend with my appalling opinions, like, for example, the opinion that it's a crime against

00:45:02.920 humanity to slice the breasts off minor girls who are confused about their life because they've had 0.98

00:45:12.840 their brains addled by their appalling teachers and were not protected by their cowardly psychologists 1.00

00:45:19.480 and their criminal butchers, the criminal butchers who are masquerading as surgeons. 0.99

00:45:25.320 So let's see if we can generate another complaint or two for the college.

00:45:28.620 I can't believe, it's so funny.

00:45:31.160 Let me finish the crime.

00:45:34.340 So I can be afraid that someone like me might utter some opinion

00:45:41.340 that's hateful against some protected group.

00:45:44.640 Gender expression, by the way, is protected in Canada.

00:45:47.860 Gender expression literally is fashion.

00:45:50.440 Literally. 0.79

00:45:51.480 It's literally fashion.

00:45:52.740 it's you know how you present yourself it says your hair your nails your clothing you know that's

00:46:01.040 how you express yourself as a woman when you're a man anyways um if i'm if

00:46:10.480 you're afraid that someone might commit a hate crime and the judge agrees then he can

00:46:16.420 fit that person with electronic surveillance bracelet and basically keep him in his house

00:46:22.120 for a year. No. Yes, absolutely. 100. Read it yourself. Bill C-63. It's in the middle. That's

00:46:28.640 more than that. What? That stop any communication on social media, monitor all the social interactions

00:46:36.240 in real life, and force the person to submit their body fluids on a regular basis for analysis

00:46:44.400 for reasons that just are not specified in the bill. I suspect they got it from domestic abuse

00:46:51.480 cases where, you know, if you are a domestic abuser, if you're violent and you drink alcohol,

00:46:56.760 you're much more likely to be violent. I mean, alcohol makes people violent, especially if

00:47:00.580 they're already somewhat violent. So I imagine they just lifted it from there. Hate crime,

00:47:05.560 domestic violence. Yeah, it's beyond comprehension. It's beyond comprehension.

00:47:10.540 I still can't believe that's what that bill says, you know, and, but I've stated it publicly

00:47:16.780 several times and no one's come out and said, you know, Peterson doesn't know what the hell

00:47:20.080 he's talking about. And I think the reason for that is that I actually read the bill and I know

00:47:25.680 what's in it and I know where it's headed, just like I read Bill C-16 and told the Senate in 2016 0.99

00:47:33.060 that if they went forward with their idiot legislation, that they would cause an epidemic 0.99

00:47:38.020 of gender dysphoria among young women. Right. I got that right. That's for sure. And it wasn't 1.00

00:47:46.700 like that was my hypothesis. I thought I know how epidemics, psychological epidemics start because

00:47:54.660 I knew the literature and I know who's susceptible to them and how you create them just by having 0.99

00:48:00.260 that idiot legislation that Justin and his moralizers thought was freeing for the LGBTQ plus 0.97

00:48:07.520 two-spirited community from whom I would say the rest of us have heard just about enough. 1.00

00:48:13.600 so wow wow well i hope that bill doesn't pass that's crazy yeah so any conservative so any

00:48:22.240 conservative who has anything controversial which has switched we were talking the other day any

00:48:27.560 socially conservative viewpoint would be a hate crime yeah oh well and the thing is is that the

00:48:32.700 bureaucracy is set up to serve informants essentially it'll just produce a class of

00:48:37.700 informants they're incentivized by the legislation it'll just produce a class of informants who will

00:48:42.400 do nothing but weaponize a new bureaucracy that has the power to expand indefinitely without the

00:48:50.220 constraints of the legal precedent, which it says in the bill. Yeah, it's beyond belief. And that's

00:48:56.860 all presented in the package of protecting children from online harm. You know, Canada could just move

00:49:03.260 to shut down the porn sites if it actually cared about online harm to children. It could go after

00:49:08.240 Pornhub, for example, which is situated in Canada, by the way, and so if there was an

00:49:13.300 iota of seriousness behind this, which there isn't, because there isn't an iota of seriousness

00:49:17.940 in Trudeau and his cabinet, there's many other things that could be done to protect children

00:49:22.860 that would actually work without severely and permanently compromising civil liberties.

00:49:28.100 But Canadians, you know, mostly they're still asleep. So...

00:49:33.760 Speaking of weaponized bureaucracy, might as well do a college update.

00:49:39.700 Yep.

00:49:40.720 So what's happening?

00:49:42.100 Okay.

00:49:42.880 So I'm supposed to contact my re-educator.

00:49:49.420 Yeah.

00:49:49.900 That's on me.

00:49:51.040 And they couldn't find one initially.

00:49:52.960 That's right.

00:49:53.540 We asked, first of all, they sent me the information pertaining to my re-educator,

00:50:00.400 but they redacted all the contact information and the name, so that wasn't helpful. So my lawyers

00:50:06.920 reached out and said, well, why don't you tell us who it is so that we can contact them since

00:50:12.240 that's our obligation? And they wrote back and said, well, there's a delay. And then we said,

00:50:20.080 yeah, like, what's the delay? And they said, well, we can't find anyone because you've been so mean

00:50:24.440 to everyone, you scared them away. That's why it was redacted, because there just wasn't one?

00:50:28.860 No, I don't know why it was redacted to begin with.

00:50:32.440 I think it might have been redacted to begin with.

00:50:36.160 I don't know why the hell it was redacted.

00:50:38.000 To protect them from my evil or something.

00:50:40.720 Even though you have to contact them.

00:50:43.420 Yes.

00:50:43.820 I bet it's because they couldn't find anybody.

00:50:45.220 Okay, so then they said, okay, well, you can't contact them.

00:50:48.700 So then they found someone who I think is located in the UK.

00:50:53.160 So, and I said, and then they said, you can't contact them.

00:50:58.520 And not only can you not contact them, even though the rule is that I have to contact them,

00:51:06.160 I can't contact them directly. I have to meet them in a law office downtown, some law office

00:51:13.120 that isn't affiliated with the college. So like, what the hell's up with that? In a law office,

00:51:18.720 right? And it has to be in person. Now, I knew they were going to do that because they know I

00:51:23.700 tour all the time. And so their goal is to take my license, right? They never thought I'd go

00:51:28.200 through with the re-education. They didn't plan that well, because they can't think, and they

00:51:32.240 can't plan. And so, and they don't think, and they don't plan. And so, I put them in an awkward

00:51:39.520 position, you might say, by agreeing to their punishment. So, anyways, hypothetically, they

00:51:45.320 found someone who has no clinical experience, and who's never done anything like this before,

00:51:49.500 by the way, and who I think is just stepping into a pit of snakes, because I don't think

00:51:54.540 he knows what is actually going on so that'll be interesting now they told me i had to do it in

00:52:00.540 person right but i can't record it now i think i can record it because i have the right to record

00:52:06.420 it and one way or another i'm going to record it so they said you can't record it it can't be

00:52:14.520 public now the reason these things are done in private is to protect the person who's being

00:52:18.660 investigated it's protecting you yes to protect me but i told them explicitly i don't want the

00:52:23.420 protection. What I want for protection is that every single bloody bit of this may be made 100%

00:52:31.400 public. And that is going to happen. That's going to happen. So anyways, I have to go to this law

00:52:39.060 office downtown, and they'll have a court reporter there to make a transcript. But I don't get to

00:52:47.040 have the transcript unless I agree not to make it public. So we wrote them back and said,

00:52:51.840 you can't just change your own rules the rules are that I have to contact them and no like no

00:52:59.860 who who's hiding something here not me because as far as I'm concerned every bit of this can

00:53:06.520 be public who's hiding something well I guess it's you since you won't allow me to make the

00:53:13.060 transcript public well we're protecting the re-educator it's like no that's not how this

00:53:18.440 works that's not how this works that wasn't the reason for the privacy to begin with so no so

00:53:25.860 wow now we have to hear from them okay who knows what they'll do i mean i don't know what they'll

00:53:33.660 do what is this bill 63 oh yeah what is called bill c63 it's creaking its way through the

00:53:41.740 parliamentary process now but it's already gone through first reading but this re-education is

00:53:45.440 going to happen before that bill's passed right because you're not going back into canada to do

00:53:49.380 that after that bill is passed yeah well that's seriously yeah don't trust these countries no no

00:53:56.660 it's definitely the case that if bill c63 passed you'd be in so much trouble my life would be

00:54:03.000 unlivable in canada because like 50 activists would weaponize it instantly yeah and so if

00:54:10.920 canadians want to live under a society governed by the worst of all possible snitches then yay

00:54:18.960 man just don't pay any attention to bill c63 and you'll get what you hope for what what should

00:54:23.640 people do like because wake up but but wake up and do what because people are already you know

00:54:29.480 if you're in canada you can't see certain news you can't see news like north korea style it's

00:54:35.780 not available in your country. Ridiculous. That's already happening. I don't think people who live 0.98

00:54:41.720 there, like not everyone can pick up and move. What are they supposed to do at this point?

00:54:46.820 Just talk about it. Talk about it. Take your neighbors and your friends.

00:54:51.020 Well, what people have to do is they have to take control over the political system again.

00:54:57.260 But how? Like how?

00:54:58.480 They have to run for the school board, for example, and take the school boards back from

00:55:02.200 the progressives. All of these intermediary institutions, they call it the deep state in the

00:55:08.140 United States. And there's plenty of talk about the deep state in the United States and not nearly

00:55:13.040 enough talk about the deep state in Canada. I think Trudeau has increased the federal bureaucracy

00:55:16.900 by 45% since he took office. And so... What does that mean? The number of people working? Yeah.

00:55:25.180 What? Yeah, yeah. Oh, wow. Yeah, well, that's for sure. That's for sure.

00:55:30.300 so so you can get involved get involved politically and talk like don't stay quiet

00:55:37.460 well all you yeah all you young people out there in canada who have developed a certain

00:55:44.380 appreciation for classic liberal values and and maybe some more traditional conservative values

00:55:49.220 you've got a responsibility it's like get out there and clean it up join a political party

00:55:54.700 run for school board run for town council many of the cities in canada are hyper woke you know

00:56:00.860 many of them are members of the c40 city consortium they're a wonderful group so no one knows this

00:56:08.440 either but you might as well know so 40 of the biggest cities in the world i know edmonton is

00:56:13.460 one of them even though edmonton alberta is probably not one of the biggest cities in the

00:56:17.000 world. 40 of the larger Western civilization cities have joined this C40 consortium. And so

00:56:28.900 what are its goals? 95% reduction in private automobile ownership. That's one goal. Three

00:56:36.780 articles of clothing per person per year. New? Yeah, yeah. One short haul flight per person

00:56:44.940 every three years and a radical reduction in meat and dairy consumption so basically we're headed to

00:56:53.060 to the vegan world now the vegans are thrilled about that well they shrivel up and get all sick 1.00

00:56:58.420 sarcopenia yeah yeah so so that's the c40 consortium now why are what is that who runs that 0.96

00:57:06.440 it's a group of cities but like how did they get together who runs that satan yeah yeah yeah 0.87

00:57:13.860 basically i don't know probably klaus schwab's like something like that chauffeur or something

00:57:20.120 i don't know who runs it it's it's a how does this just start does people from each city come

00:57:25.560 together they're like let's do something evil together yeah yeah yeah yeah so the c40 consortium 0.61

00:57:32.260 they're they're a lot of fun yeah that's the 15 minute city people and that was so interesting

00:57:36.440 too because the 15 minute city movement was actually kind of an interesting architectural

00:57:42.160 and city planning movement to begin with the idea was we should return to something like towns

00:57:48.320 where you know your community that could be your block of mcmansions let's say has like well a bar

00:57:55.240 and a church kind of nice yeah yeah you want a downtown right you want a downtown a center of

00:58:00.140 your town and the town arranged around it so that you don't have to drive everywhere and you can walk

00:58:05.680 there you can walk there that's very very different than you have to walk there well it went from you

00:58:11.540 can walk there do you have to walk there in about 15 seconds it's like people don't need cars people

00:58:16.960 don't need to fly people don't need clothes people don't need to eat meat people don't need dairy 1.00

00:58:22.460 it's like um fuck you no i mean seriously you petty tyrants you would control everything and 0.99

00:58:31.180 you think about europe you just think about this what would happen to europe if people only went 1.00

00:58:37.800 on one short haul flight every three years okay all the towns would die because they're all

00:58:44.360 supported by tourists all those beautiful old places done all the coastal cities done the whole

00:58:50.040 hotel industry done all the cafes over with all the street culture done yeah right well

00:58:58.000 multiculturalism gone yeah yeah yeah well how

00:59:02.080 that's not they don't have i don't understand what kind of power like this isn't going to happen 0.91

00:59:07.980 though although i did hear i don't remember i was on x of some state talking about cars and

00:59:15.160 taking away cars i don't know if you saw that well you know the net zero types are agitating

00:59:20.940 so look the net zero types agitate for electric vehicles but they know perfectly well that there

00:59:27.240 isn't enough electricity to run an electric vehicle for everyone that isn't even close

00:59:31.020 We don't have the grid for it, and we don't have the technology to produce that much electricity.

00:59:35.620 With renewables, that's for sure, because guess what?

00:59:39.160 The spot price of electricity spikes towards infinity when it's nighttime and the wind isn't blowing.

00:59:47.040 And so that's a big problem.

00:59:48.680 But the solution to the fact that there's not enough electricity on the renewable front is just that people don't need cars.

00:59:54.580 So this idea that everybody will have an electric car, and that's how we'll get green, it's like that's not the plan, folks.

01:00:00.100 the plan is you peasant you don't need a car nobody needs their own private transportation

01:00:07.040 what does need mean we'll go to public transportation it's like no one takes public 0.75

01:00:12.840 transportation if their time is worth more than minimum wage or if they can afford not to

01:00:18.080 the reason if most of that's just a matter of pure efficiency it's like if your time is worth

01:00:23.680 anything you don't waste it on public transportation and so public transportation especially the way

01:00:31.980 that it's offered now is basically only accessible to a small minority of people in an efficient

01:00:37.300 manner in a small number of urban centers like new york london paris and it was pretty helpful

01:00:43.080 for like the reason i had that response by the way wasn't necessarily to look down on all public

01:00:47.780 transportation because i used to use it to get to high school and to get to school and to get

01:00:51.560 across toronto which was sometimes faster than driving has a great subway system it's oh yeah

01:00:57.440 yeah montreal and new york but in toronto anyway it's super sketchy now yeah it's like scary to

01:01:02.980 get onto a bus and things i was on a bus in before i left in 2021 with scarlet in a stroller and a

01:01:10.400 homeless guy came up and yelled at me and no one did anything right and i yelled i was so mad

01:01:16.860 yelled right back

01:01:18.840 he was just like where's your husband

01:01:21.920 like super creepy

01:01:23.540 I was like how dare you

01:01:25.760 like get away

01:01:26.980 which was enough for him to like scutter off

01:01:29.360 or wherever he came from

01:01:31.260 scuttle or skitter

01:01:32.900 you don't like scutters

01:01:34.780 well I guess that's like

01:01:36.680 I feel like that man scuttered

01:01:38.380 it's possible

01:01:40.740 it's certainly possible

01:01:42.220 yeah yeah

01:01:43.160 okay anyway that updates

01:01:46.720 people that was enough about canada how great is yeah so i don't know what's going to happen i don't

01:01:51.440 know what's going to happen with the college i mean yeah something mac i know what'll happen 0.98

01:01:56.320 the the most stupid oh i guess i have one more thing to bitch about so anybody can complain to 0.99

01:02:04.980 the college about anything that any college member does and the supreme court of canada already 1.00

01:02:09.400 agreed in my case by the way which is now law that the colleges can pretty much override the

01:02:16.080 Charter of Rights. So yeah, so that's good. So that's one in five Canadians, because they're

01:02:22.120 the ones that are covered by the professional colleges, basically no longer have free speech

01:02:26.280 rights. Oh, that's okay, fundamentally. So now the college is also bound to investigate every

01:02:31.980 complaint. Now, they can decide not to pursue a complaint, which, by the way, is the standard

01:02:39.400 they should have applied to the small handful of complaints from all around the world they

01:02:43.360 received about me. So I'm really curious and would like them to know or to inform the public,

01:02:50.100 let's say. I know because they told us that they've received somewhere between 20,000 and 30,000

01:02:56.700 complaints about their treatment of me and the unprofessionalism that that constitutes and the

01:03:03.200 violation of their own professional standards. Okay, so do they have a little army of people

01:03:08.240 going through those complaints or did they just put those in the what in the in the electronic

01:03:13.520 trash bin and and think that you know the 20 complaints they've received about me or 15 or

01:03:19.120 13 or whatever the hell it is that counts but the 20,000 they received about themselves that's 0.99

01:03:25.220 irrelevant well we know the answer to that the answer is simple for the Canadians who are

01:03:29.280 listening the colleges can do whatever they want right so if you're the member of a professional

01:03:36.420 organization you better bloody well remember that and they're going to make certain that you do

01:03:41.020 remember it because if you get out of line in action or word you're going to regret it for the

01:03:46.280 rest of your life because you'll be paying through your teeth legal bills and your reputation will be

01:03:51.060 over and you'll probably lose your career and all of those things have been aimed at me with

01:03:56.620 you know not a spectacular degree of success but I think they will eventually manage to take my

01:04:01.980 license. And they've already blackened my reputation because if they do take my license,

01:04:06.600 which is their plan, then I'll be disgraced psychologist Jordan Peterson. And so that's

01:04:11.480 very annoying. And I can see why the other psychologists cower into their corners and

01:04:17.400 remain silent. But I should also tell some people something else. You're going to need the advice of

01:04:23.120 a professional at some point in your life. And they are mandated to lie to you now. And if you're

01:04:28.140 the least bit awake you may have noticed that professionals are doing quite a bit of lying right

01:04:31.820 now and so when you have your child who's in trouble at 13 because they've hit puberty and

01:04:36.760 they're sort of dubious about their new body and you take them to a psychologist and the psychologist

01:04:41.020 says oh puberty blockers are just the thing for your young woman and maybe we can move her on to 0.92

01:04:46.140 the surgical track with a little bit of evaluation and very bloody little because the rule is if you 0.56

01:04:51.760 have a 13 year old girl and she comes to see a psychologist the psychologist better say anything

01:04:57.440 you want, dear, including disfiguring and sterilizing surgery, because if they don't, 0.57

01:05:01.760 then it's illegal. Right. And so if that's the sort of service you want from your professionals,

01:05:07.080 then just stay asleep. That's horrible. Oh, we do have one more thing to talk about

01:05:15.320 involving Canada. I was going to make a reaction video to this about a month ago or a month and

01:05:21.780 a half ago Trudeau came out oh yeah under oath yeah and said you were being funded by Russians 0.91

01:05:27.700 yeah and we haven't responded to that yet so I thought we should right well those Russians you 0.97

01:05:33.460 know the problem with Russians is they promise you the moon and then they never pay you so I 1.00

01:05:38.520 haven't got a cent or a ruble from the bloody Russians and so anyways um let's take that apart 0.95

01:05:44.800 okay so the first thing we'll point out is that the reason Trudeau did that is because he isn't 0.86

01:05:48.840 very bright. So the reason... He might have got confused. He did get confused. So what happened

01:05:53.960 was there was a bit of a scandal that emerged around, what was the name of the media company?

01:05:58.840 Lauren Chen was running it, right? And Lauren apparently entered into an agreement with a

01:06:07.440 relatively shady Russian agent, I think that's fair to say, who promised her a substantial amount

01:06:14.820 of money to start a new, to, to expand her media presence into a new company, which would

01:06:22.860 be center-right, online. And she involved some other people.

01:06:31.020 They didn't know anything about that.

01:06:33.440 They didn't know, no, no, they didn't know. Lauren, Lauren Southern and Dave Rubin and

01:06:39.100 Tim Pool were the main people who were implicated, although there's been no investigation in

01:06:44.800 the evidence is quite clear that they had no idea where this money was coming from. They never

01:06:51.680 accepted any editorial control over their content, and they were minimally involved in this new

01:06:56.900 media enterprise. I watched Lauren Southern testify in front of Parliament, and one thing I would

01:07:04.140 recommend to parliamentarians in relationship to Lauren Southern is you better be sure that

01:07:08.560 you're smarter and more charismatic than Lauren Southern if you're going to bother questioning 0.99

01:07:12.560 her because otherwise she will slash you to death with her tongue which is exactly what she did do 1.00

01:07:17.520 and it was quite something to see I mean that woman has been through hell and I wouldn't mess

01:07:22.440 with her casually and they were messing with her casually and it was quite something spectacular

01:07:26.820 to watch her respond it was like watching a mongoose kill a snake and so you can go watch

01:07:33.180 that it's worth it Lauren Southern and the Canadian Parliament I mean there's a mismatch

01:07:37.900 yeah yeah yeah definitely it's like a jungle cat tearing apart a teddy bear one of those creepy

01:07:45.120 teddy bears that you see in horror movies that sort of slink along the floor oh so ugly and one 0.99

01:07:50.760 eye hanging down yeah that's the one it's like lauren what are you doing with the russians you're 1.00

01:07:56.680 an idiot and you're incompetent and you're part of what's wrong with this country yeah she's quite 1.00

01:08:02.540 the force of nature anyways I think Trudeau got confused because that's his permanent state of 1.00

01:08:08.320 being and you know he's just the prime minister and the leader of a g7 country and it was just

01:08:13.200 a parliamentary committee and so I have no legal recourse and so he could basically say whatever

01:08:18.080 he wants and that is what he said me and Tucker Carlson Russian agents you know so we did we did

01:08:24.440 contact lawyers about it like can we sue no you can't sue not if no there's nothing you can do

01:08:29.440 So apparently this happens quite often because they're under oath,

01:08:32.300 so people trust it more because it's under oath.

01:08:34.700 And so what people say is, say it when you're not under oath.

01:08:38.060 As soon as you say it when you're not under oath, you're able to be sued.

01:08:41.040 Yeah, well, I think with Trudeau, it's always narcissism, confusion,

01:08:47.180 with a leaven of malevolence, and I'm sure that was at work here.

01:08:51.740 I know he's no friend of Tucker Carlson. 1.00

01:08:52.860 Or literally stupidity. 1.00

01:08:55.360 Right-wing people like Tucker and Jordan Peterson, 1.00

01:08:59.440 yeah like it could have been that much thought yeah yes which is terrifying well that's for sure

01:09:06.360 that's for sure so I'm afraid the the fortune in rubles that is supposed to be coming my way has

01:09:12.720 failed to make itself manifest and um that there isn't much else to be said about that except that

01:09:19.740 it's exactly what you'd expect from him it's exactly the depth of analysis exactly the

01:09:25.660 careless reputation savaging it's exactly the narcissism it's precisely the lack of of depth

01:09:34.800 in terms of analysis um it's everything you'd expect from mr mr taylor swifty and out there

01:09:45.660 being a 14 year old handing out friendship bracelets to do you know did this this actually

01:09:53.000 happened, even though I can't believe it. It's like Keir Starmer admitting that the whole

01:09:57.740 immigration scheme in the UK was an experiment that was run by elites on the Brits, and they

01:10:03.500 were all lied to. He just came out and literally said that yesterday. He literally said that. It's

01:10:08.240 like, oh, that's not an AI fake. It's like, well, what sort of reality are we in? Apparently that

01:10:13.900 one. And so Trudeau was handing out friendship bracelets to this girl who filmed it and put it

01:10:22.800 on YouTube and she trolled him. She put up a video showing that he was at the concert and she wasn't

01:10:29.020 very thrilled about that because she's 15 years old and she knew enough to know that the leader 0.98

01:10:33.440 of a G7 nation shouldn't be at a Taylor Swift concert with all these 15-year-old girls handing

01:10:41.700 out friendship bracelets and he came over to give her one. It's something like that. I may have the 0.97

01:10:46.400 details wrong because I don't have the stomach to actually investigate this and shared a friendship

01:10:53.520 bracelet with her and she was trolling him and that's exactly right is that we have a prime

01:10:59.380 minister who has the media wisdom to be trolled by a 15 year old at a Taylor Swift concert it's

01:11:08.180 like it's no wonder that Canadians are now poorer than everybody who lives in Mississippi

01:11:12.520 okay so we're done 0.89

01:11:16.160 yeah man that was most of the

01:11:18.600 we had a lot to say about Canada

01:11:19.960 this episode

01:11:21.200 hopefully don't turn around

01:11:25.180 it usually follows what America does 0.95

01:11:27.340 like I've seen that growing up

01:11:28.660 fashion is cool in America

01:11:30.600 then the year after it's cool in Canada

01:11:33.080 music is cool there then the year after it's cool there

01:11:35.480 wokeism is cool in America

01:11:37.400 and then Canada is like no we're the

01:11:39.420 wokest and now it's like

01:11:41.180 you know there's been such a comeback of conservatism and it's not even that so weird

01:11:46.240 to watch what's happened in the last month because oh yeah it's like the the podcast host and guest

01:11:52.460 world took over the united states it's so remarkable like oh crazy i'm still not over it

01:11:58.700 just switched i know it was like we've been walking around for like six or seven years

01:12:03.820 longer than that oh my gosh longer than that eight years being like what's going on does anyone else

01:12:11.160 see this this is crazy doesn't does anyone else think this is crazy or is it just me and it turns

01:12:17.040 out a lot of people think this is crazy and just like whomp reality switched it's weird all those 0.91

01:12:24.020 under under educated working class slobs turn out to be pretty damn perspicacious when it comes to 1.00

01:12:29.980 detecting reality unlike those who benefited from the advanced education and women's studies for 0.95

01:12:35.600 example courtesy of the ivy leagues so yeah i know it's so weird i just all right it's i know

01:12:43.040 i said the other day i was like what are you what are you going to say on twitter that's controversial

01:12:46.640 now all the conspiracy theories are out they were all true it's done like what what's what's left to

01:12:53.740 be like you know we can complain about canada and what's going on in the uk like there's issues

01:12:58.580 elsewhere but like what which one of your views even this college case is consuming you all these

01:13:04.560 things you said it's taken so long to pursue you that like all of America agrees with everything

01:13:09.940 you said yeah which is really convenient I gotta say yeah yeah for sure yeah well I certainly don't

01:13:16.600 regret any of the things I said the complaints you know I complained about Trudeau yeah and

01:13:22.660 apparently that's not acceptable even though my comments about Trudeau were dead on the money I

01:13:28.860 complained about his some of the people that he had gathered around him who you know were the sort

01:13:34.460 of people you should complain about.

01:13:36.660 I complained about a city councilor who lied

01:13:40.960 during the trucker convoy, that's looking pretty good. 1.00

01:13:43.820 I complained about the trans butchers, 1.00

01:13:45.700 I'm really happy about that. 1.00

01:13:47.140 I'll complain some more about them,

01:13:49.260 so because they certainly deserve it,

01:13:51.080 and I'm completely right about that.

01:13:53.940 I mentioned to Joe Rogan,

01:13:56.160 because somebody handed in the whole transcript

01:13:59.100 of a Joe Rogan podcast that he did with me as the complaint. 0.99

01:14:03.600 And I complained about the fact that idiot economists had stacked their idiot economic prognostications going out 100 years on idiot climate prognostications that go out 100 years, and that that's just not the least bit acceptable. 0.99

01:14:19.240 No one can do that. 1.00

01:14:20.620 It's impossible.

01:14:22.500 And that's true.

01:14:23.380 And you notice the Democrats themselves didn't say a damn word about climate in this last election.

01:14:29.480 Right.

01:14:30.160 No, no, not at all.

01:14:31.420 They just dropped it.

01:14:32.320 And the reason for that is it's a lie, folks.

01:14:35.820 So just like so many things have turned out to be a lie,

01:14:38.880 and that's a big one.

01:14:40.820 And so, like, I don't regret any of the things I said.

01:14:43.700 And there was the swimsuit model.

01:14:45.360 Oh, yes, that's right.

01:14:46.460 Oh, yes, I also objected to the proposition 0.99

01:14:48.960 that an extremely overweight swimsuit model

01:14:53.100 is A, beautiful, and B, athletic.

01:14:56.680 Certainly not the intersection between beautiful and athletic,

01:14:59.600 which is actually the criteria for being featured on the cover of Swim City, or Sports Illustrated.

01:15:06.060 Well, it should be, but apparently it's not.

01:15:08.380 Yeah, so...

01:15:09.160 And then Maha has taken over, which is weird too.

01:15:12.300 It's like now everyone's on board that, oh, chronic disease is actually a problem.

01:15:16.240 And obesity actually turns out not to be the best of all possible ideas.

01:15:20.100 People who are worried about non-toxic products aren't weird anymore.

01:15:23.880 Suddenly, in like a day.

01:15:25.620 Yeah.

01:15:26.300 Weird.

01:15:27.140 Yeah, that's for sure.

01:15:28.740 It's really relaxing, though.

01:15:30.000 Well, what does Elon Musk keep tweeting?

01:15:31.880 We're in the most preposterous of all timelines.

01:15:36.420 That's fun.

01:15:37.320 Well, he said for years, and something I've thought as well,

01:15:40.760 I've always thought this with regards to dealing with bureaucracies. 0.99

01:15:44.600 The most idiotic and comical outcome is the most likely one, 0.99

01:15:48.300 and that's certainly what I've seen. 1.00

01:15:49.620 It's certainly the case with the College of Psychologists.

01:15:52.140 It's like, you know, they changed their name, eh?

01:15:54.860 Oh, yeah.

01:15:55.980 They changed their name.

01:15:57.720 college of psychologists and behavior analysts well why did you change your name it wouldn't be

01:16:02.600 because the old name on twitter was attracting like 25 000 negative complaints would it i'm sure

01:16:10.340 it was just coincidence and the new name is so much more elegant are they on act still yes under

01:16:16.520 a new name yes college of psychologists and behavior analysis analysts yeah see yeah yeah

01:16:23.860 only a bureaucrat could come up with that name yeah yeah so it's hard to type in they're going

01:16:28.960 to hope people are going to get so i don't know what's going to happen with this re-education

01:16:32.760 scheme like first of all they have to what i'm going to do by the way i'm going to make this

01:16:38.520 public because i'm making all of this public as soon as i get word about who the educator is

01:16:45.780 and i kind of know but not certainly i'm going to contact him and i'm going to say because i think

01:16:51.640 he's in the UK and hasn't got any experience in this sort of thing I'm going to say do you have

01:16:56.660 any idea what rat hole you're stepping into like this is how you want to spend the rest of your 0.62

01:17:02.380 life is it you want to jump into this absolute bloody insane mess and be what the brunt of 0.93

01:17:11.320 unpopular public opinion that's so intense you can hardly possibly imagine it for the next 10

01:17:19.440 years yeah well don't do it and people will say peterson is threatening the re-educator it's like

01:17:25.800 this is not a threat this is nothing that i'm going to do except to make it public i'm

01:17:31.980 i regard it as a humanitarian gesture and yeah you know i'm partly ironic about this and partly not

01:17:40.080 it's like don't do it you have no idea what this is going to be like there's there's nothing in it

01:17:46.920 for you unless you're narcissistic beyond belief or you're you've been hiding under a rock for the

01:17:53.000 last eight years you have no idea what's going on i wouldn't get involved or you want to be a martyr 0.94

01:17:57.960 sure or or you want to be the person that brings me down or like if if you know what you're doing

01:18:04.700 go ahead man yeah yeah and i'm glad you can clarify that it's not a threat i i honestly

01:18:10.180 like feel bad for i do i wouldn't wish it on my worst no no because like it's just such a

01:18:17.860 obviously the tides are going to turn this is crazy objectively it's crazy they are they have

01:18:23.240 to go through with it there it's too much of a bureaucracy to not go through with it they can't

01:18:27.720 be like oh well maybe maybe we should know that's actually not even true because i offered them a

01:18:33.200 public deal when i i wrote a national post article and i offered them a deal it was a very

01:18:38.440 straightforward deal. And they had a new registrar, like the head of the organization,

01:18:43.120 essentially, the administrative head. I said, look, there's actually a problem here. The problem

01:18:49.200 is that technological transformation has made complaints far too easy. You can just go to the

01:18:55.220 form. Internationally. Yeah, internationally. And so let's change a few rules. You guys admit that

01:19:00.620 you hadn't updated your technology to take into account the dangers of ease of complaint.

01:19:08.440 And so now only citizens of Ontario or inhabitants of Ontario can complain,

01:19:14.240 and they can only complain if they're first or second party recipients of the service of a profession.

01:19:22.320 Okay, 80% of the problems go away right there.

01:19:24.880 You admit that, and you change your policies, and I say, well, I can understand that you got caught up in a technological revolution,

01:19:33.240 revolution, and I leave it be, and you leave it be, and 80% of the problem is solved, and we're

01:19:40.400 done. So I offered that publicly. So there is a way out. It's very simple. It would require not

01:19:48.400 even any real loss of face on their part, because some of that is, a substantive amount of that is

01:19:55.500 true. Like, the complaint process wasn't weaponized before the complaint system was

01:20:01.360 transformed electronically because it was a pain you actually had to do some work to complain

01:20:06.880 instead of just going hat click entire transcript of joe rogan podcast sent from australia yeah

01:20:15.760 exactly exactly yeah which is what's happened essentially yeah yeah okay well anyway we've

01:20:23.460 covered that okay well okay so oh we didn't talk about the tour yeah on a tour again

01:20:31.280 for We Who Wrestle With God.

01:20:33.980 And it's primarily an American tour,

01:20:35.600 although there are some Canadian dates.

01:20:37.740 Hopefully I won't get arrested like Tommy Robinson.

01:20:41.620 And so there are some Canadian dates.

01:20:45.020 The information on the tour is at jordanbpeterson.com.

01:20:49.100 The tour, although it focuses on We Who Wrestle With God,

01:20:52.460 and it presents a description of the rationale

01:20:58.500 for a sequence of foundational stories.

01:21:01.280 I wouldn't say it's, it's the same,

01:21:06.760 it has the same aim as the tours that I've gone out before.

01:21:11.560 I'm describing what I'm working on intellectually,

01:21:13.720 but it's all presented in a manner that's very, very practical.

01:21:19.240 And it has that aim.

01:21:21.000 You know, as a behavior therapist, it's always my aim

01:21:23.820 to take high-level abstract conceptualizations and explain them

01:21:29.160 so that they're compelling and understandable,

01:21:31.100 but then to make them practically applicable and so this just continues that same process

01:21:37.420 so I think we're in like 40 cities between now and April something like that maybe it's

01:21:43.220 crazy tour again yeah yeah so I would I would clarify though because I've had people reaching

01:21:48.760 out on Instagram too that like is it just focused on Christians or something like that

01:21:53.160 and I've listened to your show and I think like what you get at the end of the show is a more

01:22:00.480 organized worldview and how to improve your life yeah you know it's pretty foundational right

01:22:06.380 there's god in the title and you obviously talk about the biblical stories and things but what

01:22:10.840 you're doing is laying a foundation for people i'm trying to help people clarify their structure

01:22:15.620 of value like what is it that you're aiming at well the insistence in any genuine religious

01:22:24.740 endeavor worthy of its name is that you aim at what's best well how do you conceptualize what's

01:22:31.000 best what do you can how do you conceptualize what's highest and what relationship do you have

01:22:36.260 to that abstractly and also practically and so it's a hard thing to do it's the only thing harder

01:22:44.680 is to not do it right and that's actually easier moment by moment but way harder in the medium to

01:22:53.260 long run. That's the thing about a properly oriented religious vision, is that it makes

01:23:00.580 everything in the medium to long run way easier, way easier, way more productive, way more abundant,

01:23:09.040 way less wracked with guilt and pain. It takes discipline and careful attention in the moment.

01:23:16.960 So, or you can reverse that, you can have exactly what you want, however you want it right now,

01:23:22.360 and pay tomorrow by living in hell right right that's that's not a good solution so and i i'm

01:23:31.500 trying to explain why i'm trying to explain why i am explaining why not try i am explaining why

01:23:38.320 these stories are foundational and i'm also trying to point out to people that the stories

01:23:44.580 in the biblical library because it is a library they're about you obviously like when you go see

01:23:51.860 a Harry Potter movie, it's about you.

01:23:54.740 Like, you don't notice that,

01:23:55.900 but if it wasn't about you,

01:23:56.960 you wouldn't be interested in it.

01:23:58.080 Like, if it didn't have any bearing on you,

01:24:00.480 I don't mean it's about you in a selfish way.

01:24:02.860 It's laying out some inescapable elements

01:24:08.820 of the human condition

01:24:09.920 and describing a manner of dealing with them.

01:24:13.040 Why else would you go see a movie, for example?

01:24:16.020 Why would you read a work of fiction?

01:24:18.300 Fiction is a weird genre.

01:24:19.680 it's like why do you care about things that never happened so yeah stories we live by stories we

01:24:30.880 live by stories there's no way around it that's an indisputable scientific fact that's the

01:24:35.940 revolution that's taken place in the last 50 years people across a variety of disciplines

01:24:40.780 have come to understand that a description of the structure through which we see the world

01:24:46.120 is a story. That's indisputable. That's driving the culture of war, that argument. But the

01:24:55.540 empiricists and the rationalists, they lost. We do see the world through a story. Once you know

01:25:02.000 that, the only question is, well, what's the greatest story ever told? Right, that's the only

01:25:08.680 question. How did you figure that out? Because you've been talking about this for a very long

01:25:15.660 time so how did you switch from like let's say I mean a rationalist I don't even know if you were

01:25:22.300 rationalist originally but I would say the average probably more okay how did you switch from that

01:25:28.220 so the difference between a rationalist and empiricist is an empiricist believes that we

01:25:33.140 build our worldview bottom up from the facts and that there are self-evident there is a strata of

01:25:39.700 sensory data that constitutes the self-evident fact and that all our knowledge emerges from

01:25:45.380 that. The rationalist believes that there has to be a structure that intermediates between the

01:25:51.700 sense data and the psyche, so that we impose order on the world. Order doesn't just emerge

01:25:58.920 from the bottom up. That we bring an order, it's part of our cognitive apparatus, to our view of

01:26:04.600 the world. The rationalists were closer to the truth than the empiricists, although we do

01:26:10.440 change our, even our rational worldview as a consequence of empirical data. But the rationalists

01:26:17.080 believe that the basis for that imposition of order was rationality. It's not, it's narrative.

01:26:25.560 Have they met anybody? Well, yeah, I know. Who are you hanging out with? Because I haven't met them.

01:26:31.320 Right, right, right. No, but that's exactly right. You know, that was the flaw in the worldview of

01:26:36.760 the rationalists like, let's say, like Dawkins or even Michael Shermer for that matter, both

01:26:44.140 people I have respect for, by the way, will free ourself of our superstition and we'll

01:26:51.160 become scientists.

01:26:52.660 It's like, A, no, we won't, and B, no, we won't.

01:26:58.560 Almost no scientists are scientists.

01:27:02.520 We've seen that.

01:27:03.880 That's been loud and clear over the last period of years.

01:27:06.320 that's for sure yeah you know i mean i suddenly everyone was a scientist yes like oh nobody's a

01:27:13.120 scientist well then that's true like it's really hard to be a scientist because you have to be

01:27:17.920 willing to change what you think when you're wrong yeah you can't have any ego associated with you

01:27:23.520 have to look for where you're wrong that's very annoying it's very annoying especially if you

01:27:29.200 predicated your career on something you claim to be true it's like you know that thing that

01:27:34.640 that got me the job and my reputation turns out it's wrong yeah you have to really want to find

01:27:40.980 the truth yeah you have to be like and that's it that's it and then it doesn't matter if you're

01:27:45.860 wrong because who cares the goal is to find the truth but that's well the thing is at that point

01:27:52.060 you're not only a scientist you're also religious because you believe that the truth will set you

01:27:56.760 free and you actually believe it and that's that's hard that's really hard like most first of all

01:28:04.300 no there would be no real science without a bunch of false science so let's get that on like

01:28:09.180 to do something right requires doing it badly a lot so the fact that a lot of scientific studies

01:28:15.000 aren't replicable it's like well yeah yeah some undergraduate did the study and it was his first

01:28:20.180 one so you know should it have been published yes because you have to learn how to write

01:28:27.460 scientific papers most science is wrong but some of it isn't right you don't have to there doesn't

01:28:34.100 have to be much that's real for things and like how much of it do we want to be real do we want

01:28:39.480 things to move faster than they already are you know if we generate three percent new information

01:28:45.340 a year and 97 percent of the what we're doing is rubbish it's three percent a year you know it's

01:28:52.360 like it means we're like twice as smart in 10 years that's plenty fast so in any case it turns

01:29:00.960 It turns out that we do see the world through a story,

01:29:04.300 and the biblical insistence is that the story

01:29:07.260 isn't one of power, and it's not one

01:29:09.580 of hedonistic self-gratification,

01:29:11.680 and it's not one of nihilism.

01:29:13.180 It's one of upward, it's one of responsible,

01:29:16.200 upward-seeking sacrifice, and that's true.

01:29:20.500 It's true.

01:29:21.620 It's not merely a religious proclamation,

01:29:24.000 although it is that.

01:29:25.280 It's inevitably the case.

01:29:27.680 It's the case by definition.

01:29:29.340 here's one way of understanding that. Attention is sacrificial. Why? Because when you attend to

01:29:37.200 one thing, there is an infinite number of other things that you are not attending to,

01:29:43.360 right? When you do one thing, there's an infinite number of other things that you're not doing.

01:29:48.720 You've sacrificed all those other possibilities to that one thing. What is that one thing that

01:29:53.680 you're sacrificing everything to? Is it your whim? Well, that's not going to make you very popular

01:29:58.640 with your tomorrow self or with anybody who might want to be around you yeah like what's the aim of

01:30:04.640 the sacrifice okay there's more community is based on sacrifice well why well when you're three and

01:30:13.240 you learn to take turns what are you doing when you take turns you're sacrificing your turn why

01:30:21.120 so that your friend can have a turn why so that you have a friend right and then maybe you have

01:30:28.460 a bunch of friends. Now you have a community or a tribe. Are you better off? Yeah, way better off.

01:30:35.380 You're not lonesome. You've got people around to help you. You've got people around to take care of.

01:30:39.940 Right? That's a great deal. And then your little tribe becomes a town or a city, and then it

01:30:44.860 becomes a nation. And it's one nation under God. And the God at the top of all that is the principle

01:30:52.340 of, it's in part the principle of the sacrifice upon which community is founded. That's why

01:31:00.580 Christ's life is the ultimate sacrifice, right? And that just happens to be true. It just turns 1.00

01:31:07.280 out that that's true. It's the sacrifice upon which the community is founded. Well, we even

01:31:13.140 know that because look what we've done. This is the structure of a European town, right? Classic

01:31:18.200 European Town, there's a church or a cathedral at the center, often the highest building in town

01:31:23.060 by design. It's the center. At the center of the church is an altar. At the center of the altar is

01:31:28.920 a sacrifice. Why? Because the community is founded on sacrifice. It's like, oh, and we were doing

01:31:35.640 that. We're acting that out. No one knew. It's like, oh, turns out we knew what we were doing

01:31:40.120 all along. We act out things that we don't understand all the time. And some of them are

01:31:45.420 very profound things, and that happens to be one of them. So it's even at the beginning of,

01:31:51.220 there's this weird idea in John, right at the beginning of the Gospel of John, that Christ is

01:31:59.380 the Word of God that's there at the beginning of time. Now, the beginning of time is a weird idea

01:32:04.540 in the biblical corpus, because the God who operates at the beginning of time is outside of

01:32:10.520 time so it's not exactly the beginning it's the beginning and now and the future so god is

01:32:18.500 conjuring the world out of potential at the beginning of time now and forever okay so there's

01:32:27.000 something happening there this wrestling with potential that is the way the world is engendered

01:32:33.160 and human beings do that that's that's why we're considered made in the image of god okay what are

01:32:39.340 we doing we're performing the sacrifices upon which the foundations of order are predicated

01:32:44.700 with every glance we take with every with everything we attend to or don't attend to

01:32:50.600 with every word we utter we're wrestling the world of potential into being that is what we're doing

01:32:57.300 and what is it that confronts us is it the determinant material order in part because

01:33:02.880 things are concretized but everything that's concretized is still rife with potential you

01:33:08.620 You know, this is a book, unless I pick it up and swat you with it, in which case it's instantly a weapon.

01:33:15.280 It's like everything has its realm of potential around it, right?

01:33:18.840 So we're surrounded by potential, and that's what our consciousness focuses on.

01:33:22.300 You ignore everything that's predictable.

01:33:24.620 You wrestle with the tohu vabohu, the potential that's there in front of you.

01:33:30.480 And we do that in the microcosm, but it's the embodiment of the same principle of sacrifice

01:33:37.220 that the word of God uses at the beginning of time

01:33:40.000 to cast the world into order.

01:33:41.760 It's like, yeah, turns out that's true.

01:33:44.780 So, no kidding.

01:33:47.400 No kidding.

01:33:48.060 It's like, I have no idea what we're going to do

01:33:50.440 when we realize that these stories are true.

01:33:53.520 Because that's different than believing them, right? 0.97

01:33:55.860 Because that's been the Christian insistence forever. 0.94

01:33:58.120 You have to believe, which you do.

01:34:00.240 Like, look, you have to have faith.

01:34:03.600 And people might say,

01:34:04.380 I'm only going to act in accordance with thee.

01:34:07.120 evidence. It's like, okay, so let's say you go out on a date, and you fall in love with the girl

01:34:11.240 you're out with, and you decide to get married. It's like, what, that's from the evidence, is it?

01:34:16.600 That's why you're going to get married, because of the evidence. You have no idea what your

01:34:20.640 marriage is going to be like. You don't have the foggiest notion of who it is that you are

01:34:26.520 now tangled up with. You don't have a clue. And so, so why do you get married? Well, because you,

01:34:33.220 it's an act of sacrifice. All other women are off the table. It's an act of faith. And the same 1.00

01:34:39.880 thing happens when you move to a new city or when you take a new job. The evidence is not there.

01:34:45.160 Now, that doesn't mean you can make stupid decisions, but all the time when we're pursuing 0.98

01:34:53.260 the adventure of our life, always, always, it's an act of faith. It's not an adventure otherwise. 0.99

01:34:58.400 if you know with 100% certainty that your bet will pay off, well, first of all, you're being

01:35:05.900 an automaton in some ways. And second, there's no excitement in that. It's so interesting that

01:35:13.980 the act of faith is, the act of faith, this is by definition. It's something I cover in detail

01:35:21.100 in the book. The act of faith is by definition the adventure of life. I mean, who would have

01:35:25.300 ever guessed that? Why do you have faith? So that weirdly exciting things can happen to you all the

01:35:31.260 time. So that's something else I tried to detail in this book is the relationship between truth

01:35:37.540 and adventure. And that's such fun. It's so fun to understand that. So let's say you decide that

01:35:42.660 you're just going to say what you think. You know, like not carelessly and not self-servingly,

01:35:49.740 but that's just your rule. If someone asks you a question, you just say what you believe to be

01:35:55.000 true. Okay, so that's a sacrificial gesture. Why? Well, because you don't get to decide what you

01:36:03.580 want for the outcome. You know, because I could be sitting here thinking, well, I should tell

01:36:07.520 Michaela what she wants to hear, because, you know, maybe she'll make a business deal with me

01:36:11.560 then. It's like, no, you don't get to do that. You get to say what you think. And then you'd have no

01:36:17.440 idea what's going to happen. No idea. And that's ridiculously entertaining. Or I suppose sometimes

01:36:23.620 you do know what's going to happen if you say what you think which is why people avoid it right

01:36:27.880 or they think they know no no you might know what will happen in the moment ah I see but you don't

01:36:35.400 know how that's going to yeah exponentially expand okay so you know you've seen this so

01:36:41.100 lots of the people that we know have been cancelled so I talked to Graham Linehan for

01:36:45.460 example this week podcast is coming out soon he was the UK's top comedy sitcom writer he won like

01:36:52.020 a lifetime achievement award for it he was like the number one guy and beloved by his audience

01:36:58.400 and they just nailed him like five years ago he was cancelled no job no writing opportunities

01:37:05.120 it blew his marriage into pieces because they went after his wife and she he said they never

01:37:10.480 had any trouble before this then he lost his job and all hell broke out and they tortured her and

01:37:14.700 he lost his marriage and like he just lost everything and he said he doesn't regret it

01:37:20.280 and part of the reason he doesn't regret it

01:37:22.000 is because of all the people he met.

01:37:26.740 And we know all these weird people

01:37:28.320 who've been cancelled,

01:37:29.440 and they've all kind of aggregated together.

01:37:31.900 And you think, oh, well, those people are worth knowing.

01:37:34.420 It's like, yeah, they're really worth knowing.

01:37:35.900 Way more entertaining than the average person, too.

01:37:38.800 They're like fun people.

01:37:40.080 That's because they actually,

01:37:40.740 well, that's the thing about all those comedians,

01:37:42.900 that like Rogan's a good example of that.

01:37:44.820 Or Theo Vaughan.

01:37:45.980 It's like, oh, just say what I think.

01:37:47.840 Maybe it'll be funny.

01:37:49.140 It's like, we'll see what happens.

01:37:50.280 and what happened with Rogan it's like Rogan became the most powerful journalist the world

01:37:54.860 has ever seen so that's funny and it turns out that when Kamala Harris decides not to go on

01:38:00.640 Rogan's show that's really hard on Kamala Harris and not very hard on Joe Rogan yeah right right

01:38:06.500 pretty funny oh man so like there's an object lesson there and and Trump went on Theo Vaughn's

01:38:13.160 show I know that was great it's so funny Theo I mean Theo's super bright and I think he's hilarious 0.97

01:38:19.280 but he plays the the he plays working class hick perfectly partly because he was one even though 0.67

01:38:25.740 he's a complete bloody genius and so and now Trump is the guy that's being interviewed by

01:38:31.160 Theo Vaughn during the weirdest presidency run ever it's like that's entertaining 0.94

01:38:36.680 J.D. Vance talking about Theo talking about cocaine to J.D. Vance that might have been

01:38:42.920 my favorite part of 2024, maybe.

01:38:45.920 Yeah, yeah.

01:38:46.960 And so the thing, that's part of,

01:38:49.680 I think adventure is divine comedy.

01:38:52.760 And the pathway to divine comedy is the truth.

01:38:56.700 And that's so...

01:38:59.760 What do you do when you discover that?

01:39:02.100 It's like everything's a cosmic joke, you know?

01:39:07.540 And just preposterous things just happen continually,

01:39:11.380 you think.

01:39:11.760 And those are miracles, I suppose.

01:39:14.620 Who knew that miracles were comedic?

01:39:19.700 But, you know, hell is horror.

01:39:23.280 So why wouldn't heaven be divine comedy?

01:39:28.240 And why wouldn't the pathway to that be adventure?

01:39:30.820 I mean, that's what all the quest movies are about.

01:39:34.780 Little hobbits, you know, going off to face the all-seeing eye of Sauron,

01:39:39.420 in which we're doing everything to create

01:39:40.920 as fast as we possibly can.

01:39:47.600 World's a weird place, man.

01:39:49.460 That's for sure.

01:39:50.700 And it's going to get stranger.

01:39:52.520 So strap on.

01:39:54.400 Strap in.

01:39:55.400 Oh, yeah.

01:39:56.000 Strap on.

01:39:57.520 Strap in.

01:39:58.940 We can add that to the intro.

01:40:03.340 Scutter, scuttering away.

01:40:06.120 Brilliant.

01:40:09.420 Yeah.

01:40:11.320 Okay, well, I think we should wrap it up then.

01:40:14.340 Yeah, that's for sure.

01:40:15.960 That was great.

01:40:16.820 I'm going to link everything.

01:40:18.100 I'm going to link the book.

01:40:18.900 I'll link the tour.

01:40:21.280 I'll link, I don't know, whatever else we talked about.

01:40:24.460 I'll put them in the description so everybody,

01:40:26.540 I'll put Peterson Academy there.

01:40:27.440 Did we talk about everything we were supposed to,

01:40:29.260 the book, the tour, the Peterson Academy.

01:40:33.680 The Russian thing.

01:40:34.600 The college. 1.00

01:40:35.520 The pesky Russians. 1.00

01:40:37.140 Yeah. 1.00

01:40:38.500 Yeah.

01:40:38.820 we can do this then we can do another podcast that doesn't cover any of that this is kind of

01:40:43.260 an update podcast but we haven't done that the last time we talked was a year ago is right after

01:40:46.900 george was born well one thing we could do that might be useful is to walk through the book

01:40:51.280 walk through the book yeah yeah as a podcast at some point i could just tell you know i could

01:40:58.520 just lay out the stories and their essential structure that's quite fun that's what i'm doing

01:41:04.980 on the tour too you know usually what I do for a lecture is I tell one of the stories

01:41:08.780 you know and say this is what it's this is some of what it means this is the other thing that you

01:41:13.800 know I don't want to get too totalitarian in my claims there's no limit to the interpretation of

01:41:20.520 these stories because they're linked together they're all linked together the bible's a hyperlinked

01:41:25.100 text and so there's a lot of pathways through it like maybe an indefinite number of pathways like

01:41:32.000 there's an indefinite number of chess games and some of the pathways are very well trodden you

01:41:38.260 know and some of them are mysterious and unlikely and but it's bottomless and so i'm offering

01:41:44.060 interpretations but they're not complete and you you couldn't offer complete no there's no way of

01:41:49.920 offering the bible yeah yeah there's no that's right there's you could say that western civilization

01:41:55.060 is one of the interpretations of the biblical text yeah right cool with all its permutations

01:42:01.460 and variations right exactly exactly well and you know games are inexhaustible chess i think there's

01:42:07.860 more potential chess games than there are subatomic particles in the observable universe

01:42:16.100 no yes yes wow yeah right combinatorial explosion they call that right and so it that's like the

01:42:23.540 infinite possibility that's there at hand in everything and it's there wow that's that

01:42:30.580 infinite potential

01:42:32.680 So the you know that part of the injunction in the text is tell the truth

01:42:36.780 Why because all things considered it reveals the best possible future you may have to suffer for it

01:42:42.320 You will suffer less for the truth than for anything else

01:42:45.700 That's the promise and the rewards are

01:42:50.020 In the rewards are as

01:42:56.140 The rewards are as limitless as hell is bottomless

01:43:00.580 Right. That's worth thinking about.

01:43:04.040 So you have to throw yourself into the fray.

01:43:08.040 And you do that by, well, how about by not compromising your relationship with the truth?

01:43:15.000 What's your hypothesis that you're going to get somewhere by what?

01:43:18.020 By failing to take into account the nature of reality.

01:43:21.680 That's your theory.

01:43:23.120 You're going to pull the wool over your eyes and everyone else's and God's eyes,

01:43:26.800 and that's going to work.

01:43:27.780 who who believes that you wish it could be true in the moment now and then no one believes it

01:43:35.960 no one believes that if you look at things through an empirical i guess or a rational lens then lying

01:43:41.700 doesn't doesn't really matter well there is no matter there well it doesn't but i mean you could

01:43:47.280 get away with it there's no moral law yeah and if our reality is purely empirical right or from

01:43:55.980 and pierce's point of view then you could get away with lying well you know i even think i even

01:44:01.180 think that's a misreading of the empirical really yeah because i don't think that that meaningless

01:44:07.940 determinism is necessarily a part and parcel of the scientific endeavor because this is another

01:44:13.240 thing that i try to lay out in the book and it's not what you say originally me this conception

01:44:17.920 so imagine that piaget figured this out john piaget the developmental psychologist is this in your

01:44:23.760 course? It's in the Piaget course, yes, definitely. So, he had a very different idea about the

01:44:29.520 superego, so to speak, than Freud. Freud thought of the id as all these, like, monstrous desires

01:44:34.880 clambering up to be manifested, and then the superego being like the heavy-handed, tyrannical,

01:44:41.560 all-seeing, eye of Sauron state going, no, and the poor ego being crushed in the middle. That

01:44:47.200 That isn't how Piaget viewed it at all.

01:44:50.100 He thought about these initial biological motivations

01:44:54.600 that are present in two-year-olds as micro-games.

01:44:58.760 And they're micro-games that initially

01:45:01.160 are only playable by the isolated child,

01:45:05.040 because two-year-olds aren't social yet.

01:45:07.180 But then they get integrated into higher-order games

01:45:10.480 that other people can play.

01:45:11.920 So Piaget's notion of the social was a sophisticated game, and there's no inhibition

01:45:19.760 in a sophisticated game. Like, if you and I are sitting down and playing Monopoly, and we both

01:45:24.340 want to play, we're not inhibiting our id-like desires while we play. We're fully on board.

01:45:32.440 We're integrating them. You can think about aggression in that way. It's like you go to a

01:45:36.960 hockey game the aggression isn't inhibited it's integrated and everyone's on board right so i see 1.00

01:45:46.080 yeah right higher levels of social organization are integration not inhibition now the idiot 0.99

01:45:51.560 progressives don't understand this at all because they just think power you have to inhibit it's all 0.99

01:45:57.340 about control it's either you controlling me or me controlling you it's like no we could play a game

01:46:02.700 Well, that's a way better vision and the best game. Okay. So now imagine this

01:46:07.000 There's a very large universe of ways that we could interact

01:46:11.700 Okay, a small minority of those are games that we would both like to play

01:46:17.440 Okay, and even smaller minority are games that we would like to play that improve as we play them

01:46:24.340 And even smaller minority of those games are games that improve while we play them that more and more people could play

01:46:31.180 okay now you're getting to the straight narrow path so the the pathway marked out by the divine

01:46:39.640 sacrifice is the pathway that characterizes the game that everyone can play that gets better as

01:46:46.740 you play it right now you see that's an i would say that's an empirical fact right there's all

01:46:54.220 these possible ways of interacting but if if they have to interact in a way that iterates across time

01:47:00.680 that improves and that everyone will do voluntarily and even enthusiastically because

01:47:06.740 enthusiasm means to be possessed by god you're down to a very small fraction of possible

01:47:12.100 patterns of interaction i think those are identifiable i think they're empirically real

01:47:18.560 so um yeah i i mean i i'm fully on board i can just i can just see how

01:47:25.040 somebody with an empiricist or rational point of view would just well they but they're disregarding

01:47:30.880 the fact that there's one way to do things that's right they're disregarding they're

01:47:35.240 disregarding the fact that empirical patterns exist in the space of repeated interactions

01:47:41.780 right well i'll give you an example so so when when people started looking at wrestling in rats

01:47:50.040 and it's a funny thing to talk about but it has to do with games they noted that if you put two

01:47:56.880 male rats together that were juveniles they'd wrestle right and if one rat was 10 percent

01:48:02.600 bigger than the other rat he'd win and so the interpretation was the big rat dominated the

01:48:09.520 little rat now the dominant structure is established and it's based on power that's not

01:48:16.260 right because rats play repeatedly so if you pair rats together the big rat can dominate the little

01:48:22.740 rat but if the big rat doesn't let the little rat win at least 30 percent of the time the little rat

01:48:28.260 won't invite him to play anymore so even rats so that's an example of that empirical pattern

01:48:33.920 it wasn't discovered until people remembered oh yeah rats don't live by themselves in a cage and

01:48:40.480 play once. They live in rat families and they play repeatedly, right? So the patterns of play

01:48:46.880 that repeat are way different. And they have, even rats have an ethos of reciprocity. You have to let

01:48:54.760 the little rat win now and then, right? Rat morality. And Frans de Waal showed the same thing 0.99

01:49:00.460 in chimpanzees. So I think we're at a point, and I try to make the case in this book, and we'll make

01:49:06.320 it again in the next book that deals with Job and the Gospels, that we're at a point where

01:49:10.380 the sophisticated empirical and the narrative can dovetail. And that should eradicate the

01:49:16.860 distinction between science and religion. Now, there's something else that's interesting.

01:49:20.560 Piaget, on whose work I predicated many of my observations, his motivation for doing what he

01:49:30.400 did, which was to become the greatest developmental psychologist of the 20th century,

01:49:34.280 was to reconcile the division between science and religion.

01:49:38.860 Really?

01:49:39.380 Yes, that's what he wanted to do.

01:49:40.820 No one's ever taught that because...

01:49:42.580 Oh, I didn't know that.

01:49:44.640 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:49:45.260 That was his explicit goal.

01:49:46.020 Is that in your course?

01:49:47.560 Okay.

01:49:48.140 That's in the PSA course.

01:49:49.260 You're going to take this course, yeah.

01:49:51.280 Cool.

01:49:52.720 You know, I've said this before,

01:49:54.500 but I had an intro to psych professor at Concordia

01:49:57.760 that I had to track out.

01:49:59.980 Concordia has sure become fun, eh?

01:50:01.820 Concordia wasn't fun in 2011.

01:50:03.380 love it no and it's really not fun now this professor this is professors probably why i

01:50:08.360 wanted to make peterson academy yeah maybe thanks to this professor but he he told the

01:50:13.160 psych class that rats were solitary creatures because they lived in cages literally yeah and

01:50:20.340 i didn't go to another class unhappy addiction prone frustrated stressed rats live by themselves

01:50:28.380 just like anti-social criminals in solitary confinement oh yeah that's sad yeah yeah yeah 0.97

01:50:35.480 yeah well you you literally cannot get a rat addicted to cocaine if he lives in a rat like 0.69

01:50:42.280 society he has better things to do but if he's in a cage and you give him access to cocaine it's 0.93

01:50:48.900 like bar press bar press you know no sex no food no water just cocaine well why because he's bored

01:50:56.900 to death he has got no rat adventure he's got no natural source of dopaminergic stimulation

01:51:02.480 so he turns to the chemical same thing's true in life but we've known in the addiction treatment

01:51:08.860 literature forever especially with regards to alcoholism that the best cure for alcoholism

01:51:13.740 is religious transformation everyone's known that since like 1930 even the atheist investigators

01:51:20.500 everyone knows this if they know the literature and the reason seems to be if you look at it

01:51:25.460 pharmacologically, is that if you're addicted to alcohol, you're likely getting a pretty good

01:51:31.480 dopamine kick from it. Everyone doesn't, by the way, but people who like alcohol definitely do.

01:51:36.500 It's got a psychomotor stimulant effect. And the best way out of that is to substitute,

01:51:43.580 or find the genuine article, because alcohol is the substitute, to find a more, to find something

01:51:48.860 better to do yeah well you get a dopamine kick if you see yourself moving towards a desirable goal

01:51:56.340 okay so now imagine that you discovered the most desirable goal so that would be something like

01:52:02.740 relationship with the divine this is by definition it's like okay now every time you act in accordance

01:52:08.600 with that you get a kick well you don't need that you don't need the alcohol in fact it starts to

01:52:13.860 interfere with it yeah right interesting meaning why yeah yeah well addiction is a false adventure

01:52:21.500 just like any hedonistic pursuit it's a false adventure it depends on the reason for addiction

01:52:28.160 sometimes it's to avoid pain like yes i had like sometimes it is i had a major i was young too but

01:52:35.920 i like i drank a lot and as soon as i was off antidepressants and healthier i bet you my

01:52:41.760 I bet you had two or three responses to alcohol,

01:52:44.520 because I did,

01:52:45.380 and it was partly from being depressed, too.

01:52:47.420 It was from being depressed.

01:52:48.680 It facilitates social bonding.

01:52:50.560 Yeah.

01:52:51.480 So you feel the bonds of relationship more intensely,

01:52:54.820 friendship more intensely.

01:52:55.880 That's probably an opiate effect.

01:52:57.580 It's anxiolytic.

01:52:59.120 That was fantastic.

01:53:00.160 Right, right, right.

01:53:01.540 And it's got a dopaminergic kick effect.

01:53:03.800 And yes, with alcohol...

01:53:05.200 It woke me up, too.

01:53:06.300 It was the only time I was awake.

01:53:07.840 Right, that's the psychomotor stimulus effect.

01:53:10.060 That's the one that...

01:53:10.880 But that's the one that really reliably addicts people.

01:53:14.460 That went away as soon as I got healthy.

01:53:16.440 Yeah.

01:53:16.660 It always took me.

01:53:17.580 Like, I remember when I shouldn't have been drinking with Julian when we were kids.

01:53:20.560 He'd be like, yeah, I'm tired.

01:53:21.700 He'd be like, I'm finally alive.

01:53:23.940 Like, thank goodness.

01:53:25.620 And then I got healthy.

01:53:26.940 This was when I was like 23.

01:53:28.200 And I was like, oh, it's a little sedating.

01:53:31.820 Like, this isn't nearly the same drug that I was taking, you know, before that.

01:53:36.320 Yeah.

01:53:36.520 Isn't that interesting?

01:53:37.380 Yeah.

01:53:37.540 So like, yeah, I don't get that anymore.

01:53:39.520 the like stimulant effect which was really fun but life was miserable so right you know I wouldn't

01:53:46.520 trade it right right yeah all right kiddo yeah that was great thank you for the update I'm so

01:53:52.900 glad that you guys are living here that's so fun yes yes it's it's it's good and and

01:54:00.800 it's nice it's it's very nice to have a place to go to that's peaceful and stress-free and

01:54:12.220 it's not the least bit good for you when you have to walk on eggshells um and that is what

01:54:22.860 a totalitarian state is like now i'm not claiming that my neighborhood was a totalitarian state

01:54:27.040 because it can get, yeah, it can get way worse.

01:54:30.980 I'm not saying that's not a bottomless pit to hell,

01:54:32.980 but like a little bit.

01:54:34.360 Yeah, too much, too much.

01:54:38.200 Any is too much, right.

01:54:41.220 Well, thank you for coming on.

01:54:43.420 Yes, well, thank you for making it easy to move here.

01:54:46.360 You are very welcome.

01:54:47.800 It's very sneaky of you.

01:54:48.340 I know, super sneaky.

01:54:50.880 Yeah, well, it took a lot of work to be that sneaky,

01:54:53.260 so it's much appreciated,

01:54:55.020 and your mother feels the same way.

01:54:57.040 And you knocked it out of the park with Peterson Academy.

01:55:00.060 Thank you.

01:55:01.080 Seriously, man.

01:55:02.040 I felt exactly like Michael Mellis felt when I watched those trailers.

01:55:05.680 It's like, yes, that's how it should look.

01:55:09.380 We edited them until we got goosebumps.

01:55:11.680 We're like, okay, now we're at the right spot.

01:55:13.240 Right.

01:55:14.620 Right.

01:55:15.380 Yeah.

01:55:15.800 Yeah.

01:55:27.040 Thank you.

The Mikhaila Peterson Podcast - December 06, 2024

JBP Update： Re-education, Moving to the US, Russian Funding, and Bill C-63 ｜ EP 215

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