The Mikhaila Peterson Podcast - Is Your House Toxic？ Indoor Air Quality and Why it Matters ｜ Michael Rubino EP 216

00:00:00.000 You'll find me like literally walking through places just going like a maniac when a place

00:00:05.240 doesn't have a smell. I'm like, this is great. I had Dave Asprey on my podcast and he came in

00:00:10.660 and he was like, yeah, no smell. You think about how we've survived across the eons.

00:00:15.040 If we have clean food, clean water and clean air, we will fry. Unfortunately,

00:00:19.520 a lot of mold can be behind the wall, behind the ceiling in your HVAC system.

00:00:23.720 It sounds insane. There are people out there that are judging us right now,

00:00:27.760 But I'll tell you this, it's actually more insane to stay in a place that's making you sick.

00:00:32.800 First off, your toilet tank.

00:00:34.120 I tell people to check their toilet tanks.

00:00:35.740 It's a good one.

00:00:36.080 It takes three seconds.

00:00:37.200 You literally go over to your toilet.

00:00:38.520 You pop the lid off, look on the underside, and look inside.

00:00:41.280 We've been indoctrinated since the early 1900s that we grow up to be factory workers.

00:00:46.640 We have headaches.

00:00:47.500 We take these pills.

00:00:49.020 The problem with that is that it actually can be that simple without pills.

00:00:53.300 We don't need pills.

00:00:54.620 We're not deficient in pills.

00:00:55.540 It's about having clean air, clean food, and clean water.

00:01:03.600 Michael Rubino, welcome to my podcast.

00:01:06.000 Thanks so much for having me.

00:01:07.300 Nice to meet you in person, finally.

00:01:08.720 Nice to meet you in person as well.

00:01:10.440 So you have helped me extensively throughout my mold journey, for lack of a better description.

00:01:15.980 So as people watching the podcast or who follow me know, I moved to Miami.

00:01:21.120 It turns out mold has been planting me for a long time, but it was like acute in Miami.

00:01:25.540 and then we connected somehow. I can't remember how. I don't remember if it was through Judy Cho

00:01:29.620 or if I reached out on Instagram or something. Yeah, I think you reached out on Instagram.

00:01:34.720 You found the dust test. It was like this random organic connection. Yeah, okay, okay. Well,

00:01:40.920 you've been instrumental in helping us feel better, and we'll go through that all. But I

00:01:46.820 thought we should start off first. I guess you should start off with giving people a brief

00:01:50.380 background about who you are and what it is you do. Yeah, so my name is Michael Rubino. I'm an

00:01:54.780 indoor air quality expert for those that have never met me before. And I've been doing this

00:02:00.960 for a little over 10 years now. How I got into this was really interesting. Like my dad is a

00:02:05.440 restoration contractor, so I'm technically a second generation restoration contractor.

00:02:11.060 Growing up, I never really thought I would find myself in the family business. But

00:02:15.160 after Hurricane Sandy hit the Northeast and I started seeing this pattern of people getting

00:02:19.560 sick, that's when the light bulb started going off in my head that we've got some serious issues

00:02:24.140 that no one really seems to be picking up the ball and running with in terms of, you know,

00:02:28.680 figuring out why are people getting sick in their houses, how the, you know, industry standards,

00:02:33.560 especially at the time, were not cutting it and people were not actually getting better

00:02:37.640 through, you know, things like mold remediation, the water mitigation process and how that almost

00:02:44.600 always leads to mold, right? And so there needs to be a transition from water mitigation to mold

00:02:49.580 remediation. And I'm talking about very technical things at the moment. But as I saw all of these

00:02:54.960 things unfold, and I saw all these people getting sick, I felt like I had, you know, an opportunity

00:03:00.900 to figure out how to help people. And that's when I started becoming more passionate and more

00:03:04.980 interested, because I felt like, you know, the family business now actually had a purpose,

00:03:10.480 which was really cool. Cool. Okay. So what is it? You work primarily in remediating houses, correct?

00:03:17.920 Yeah. So my job is to help people diagnose problems in their home that are really wreaking

00:03:23.500 havoc on the quality of air that they're breathing. And mold's definitely a big thing.

00:03:27.260 And then figuring out what do we need to do to actually help address and solve that problem

00:03:31.080 so that they can breathe better. And then of course, if you're contacting me, typically you're

00:03:35.440 dealing with a whole set of symptoms or you're trying to just perform better, whatever it is

00:03:40.220 you'd want to actually improve the quality of air you're breathing for. And so I would kind of help

00:03:45.300 with that aspect of it. If you guys aren't on Peterson Academy, you're missing out. There are

00:03:50.960 over 25 eight-hour courses on there from people like Verveke, Michael Malice, Keith Campbell. My

00:03:57.080 dad has three eight-hour courses out now, including Nietzsche, Sermon on the Mount,

00:04:02.440 and Intro to Personality, which is excellent. Brian Keating's on there. David Eagleman on

00:04:06.900 Brain Plasticity just came out, which I love. Go to petersonacademy.com and come in and see what

00:04:12.460 it's like we have a seven-day money-back guarantee so you can poke around the website look at the

00:04:16.840 courses and get a refund if you want no strings attached any age is welcome the courses are

00:04:22.460 university level thanks guys enjoy the rest of the podcast i spent a really long time trying to

00:04:27.760 get my health in order and focused primarily on diet which mitigated like all of my symptoms and

00:04:33.800 worked magically and i was really focused on diet being like the main thing you can do for your

00:04:38.700 health and i still believe that but then when i moved to nashville i started feeling bad i thought

00:04:45.120 it was allergies and i moved to miami and eventually got to the point where i was having trouble walking

00:04:49.440 upstairs it was like i thought it was funny at the beginning and then i was like okay this doesn't

00:04:54.320 look so funny anymore uh and i didn't understand the impact especially indoor air could make to

00:05:01.360 your health and how common that is which is what's scary so once i started looking into mold i was

00:05:08.560 like, oh, a huge percentage of the properties in America have mold issues. So can you give us an

00:05:15.580 idea of like what percentage of houses have these problems? Like how many people are suffering

00:05:20.060 without knowing it? Is this a new issue? Like why is this coming to light now? Yeah. So the EPA did

00:05:26.300 a study in 1994. It was like a healthy home survey. And they actually found that 50% of the

00:05:33.340 homes that they went into to survey had visible signs of water damage. 80% of those homes had

00:05:39.540 visible signs of mold growth. So water damage, 80% of those showing visible signs of mold growth.

00:05:45.660 I can tell you, I've walked into immaculate homes. I mean, your homes, I've walked into

00:05:48.780 Gwyneth Paltrow's homes. You would never really suspect that there's mold there. So a lot of these

00:05:53.760 problems are actually hidden behind walls, behind ceilings. So when you see that statistic at 50%

00:05:58.980 of what you can visibly see, my mind goes to this level of, okay, what about all that things you

00:06:04.120 can't see? Because that's pretty much where I play in that sandbox of going to people's homes.

00:06:09.800 They're, you know, immaculate, but yet there are these problems that are, you know, wreaking

00:06:14.380 havoc on their health. And so, you know, I think the number is really probably higher than the 50%

00:06:19.800 of homes. I think it's really more 80%. But, you know, if you want to be conservative and you want

00:06:24.300 to go after the statistics that are published, we're going to probably be in that 50 to 80%

00:06:28.260 range. Yeah, brutal. And is this new? Like, is this because of building materials or lack of

00:06:35.380 airflow or something? Or was has this always been an issue? Well, that survey was done in 1994. So

00:06:41.100 obviously, you know, is a problem back then. But I would think that it's actually a compounding

00:06:45.940 issue that it's actually getting worse and worse today than ever before. That's because we're

00:06:49.620 building homes tighter than ever before. We're using cheaper material building materials than

00:06:53.760 ever before. And so as we kind of look to that shift, we're going to start to see more and more

00:06:59.240 mold issues. I'll give you an example. Like today, the way they build crawl spaces, you know, they

00:07:04.400 seal them completely shut with like this vinyl insulated plastic. Well, that can trap moisture

00:07:09.660 behind it. And so mold can grow behind it. They're not hermetically sealed, right? So hermetically

00:07:14.460 sealed means that there's no air exchange at all. It's not hermetically sealed. So there is air

00:07:19.100 exchange. That means that mold from behind that plastic gets in front of the plastic, right? And

00:07:23.100 And so we're doing things, you know, we're trying to do better in terms of energy efficiency.

00:07:29.400 And that's really what the driving force is, the factor is here.

00:07:33.060 But we're, in hindsight, we're losing the fact that people actually need to live in these places.

00:07:38.720 So I'm glad that, like, we're reducing the carbon footprint for sure, but, like, not at the cost of human beings' health, right?

00:07:45.160 And I think, you know, we're right there right now where we're trading so much for indoor air quality just to have energy efficiency.

00:07:53.100 And we're starting to see a population of human beings

00:07:56.120 that are sicker, really never been sicker

00:07:58.140 than we are today, unfortunately.

00:07:59.320 Yeah, yeah, that's funny.

00:08:01.340 So when houses weren't sealed as well

00:08:03.260 and there was more airflow between the indoors

00:08:05.740 and the outdoors, this wasn't as much of a problem.

00:08:08.160 Totally.

00:08:08.700 When they were built worse.

00:08:10.100 100%, I mean, I don't know if you ever heard

00:08:11.640 of the term like balloon framed homes,

00:08:13.600 but like homes back in the day,

00:08:15.760 they were actually, they literally had air gaps

00:08:18.040 in between the interior walls and the exterior walls.

00:08:21.280 And that's where they ran like all the plumbing

00:08:22.680 and electric they don't have that anymore now we literally just build our walls super tight on top

00:08:27.920 of each other and we're drilling through the wood they run these pipes and plumbing and stuff we

00:08:32.040 don't have that air gap anymore so when water does come in it has nowhere to dry it just absorbs into

00:08:37.580 the building materials we have insulation that holds on to water and keeps the building wet like

00:08:42.180 a sponge and so it just allows the building to stay wet for too long where mold and bacteria

00:08:48.400 can start to develop and grow crazy okay so let's start with i guess some of the beginner stuff which

00:08:55.520 are what are common symptoms that you might experience if you're breathing in moldy air

00:09:01.140 bacteria ridden air yeah so i think probably the the top two people complain about is brain fog and

00:09:07.080 chronic fatigue um you know those are pretty widely known and they're also about pretty much

00:09:12.140 markers for inflammation which mold can cause inflammation of course but then we started to

00:09:17.300 see some really interesting things more on like the neurodegenerative side of things. We're seeing

00:09:21.820 like the early onset of dementia. We're seeing like Alzheimer's. We're seeing Parkinson's. Like

00:09:26.420 we're seeing all these neurological impacts that we really never understood before. And this is

00:09:32.180 really starting to come out over the past decade or so. We're also seeing, you know, really severe

00:09:37.200 gut issues as a result. We're seeing skin issues because you have dermal exposure as well. You

00:09:44.120 think about mold in the air you're breathing it in when you're breathing it in it's obviously

00:09:48.840 going into the respiratory system and impacting that that's where you can get something like

00:09:53.440 aspergillosis but you also have once a lot of these particles are so tiny especially like

00:09:59.000 mycotoxins they're bypassing your self-defense mechanisms they're entering your bloodstream and

00:10:03.700 now you're ingesting them so essentially what you're breathing you're also eating if it's that

00:10:07.880 small like mold bacteria etc uh so we have that those two functions there and then of course the

00:10:13.500 dermal exposure. So your skin being your largest organ, right? The exposure to all these tiny

00:10:18.560 particles that can bypass into the skin and inflame the skin. Now you're dealing with things

00:10:22.960 like eczema and skin issues. You know, I can't tell you how many people are impacted in that way.

00:10:28.120 And one of the first things they notice is like their skin starts to just have all sorts of issues

00:10:33.040 and just, you know, people complain about that just from an aesthetic standpoint, right? And

00:10:37.960 how that makes you feel, right? Then you have the emotional impacts that mold can cause. Now

00:10:43.360 we're dealing with anxiety, uh, you know, and depression. Um, I mean, you know, think about it,

00:10:48.100 if you're not feeling well, if you're bed bound, if you're dealing with skin issues, if you're

00:10:51.520 having gut problems, like how happy is he really going to be? Right. And so, you know, you start

00:10:55.800 to really get impacted and really in multi-system ways. Um, and it's, it's a sad thing because it's

00:11:01.900 completely avoidable obviously. And a lot of people aren't aware of this until it's, you know,

00:11:06.860 they're, they're really, uh, down this path where they have to spend two years or more

00:11:11.660 reversing a lot of the damage sometimes you know depending on the situation they're in and maybe

00:11:16.300 it's irreversible you know yeah especially the neurodegenerative stuff yeah yeah that's brutal

00:11:21.820 when i moved so i i got my autoimmune symptoms kind of in order with the meat diet and that was

00:11:28.580 that was good uh and then nashville i thought it was allergies it turned out that was mold actually

00:11:33.920 because my unit had flooded we moved out we they remediated which was involved blowing air

00:11:40.620 on wet walls so that was a disaster we moved back in and it was just like i can't think i was doing

00:11:47.960 podcasts and it was like i have no internal dialogue and i thought i was really allergic to

00:11:52.160 uh the trees outside and it was just bothering me and then miami i had like red eyes i had

00:11:58.460 like really red eyes i started getting super light sensitive so i was wearing sunglasses inside

00:12:04.280 i don't know and i my the brain fog was so bad that i was just like maybe i have a toddler

00:12:09.960 virus or something and i i just wasn't paying attention because i was working one of the main

00:12:15.620 symptoms for me was heart palpitations at night and i thought that was due to some sort of kind

00:12:21.220 of post-traumatic stress because that's how it was like manifesting like i'd lay awake at night

00:12:27.000 i'd have heart palpitations and i'd remember traumatic experiences um but as soon as i fixed

00:12:32.400 the mold problem that went away so it wasn't it wasn't trauma it was just manifesting that way

00:12:38.880 sure anxiety fatigue muscle weakness it was a whole bunch of things that came back regardless

00:12:43.000 of my diet and was like oh so you can't you know like i still i've met a lot of people who got sick

00:12:49.580 from mold who recovered partially not recovered who mitigated some of their inflammatory symptoms

00:12:56.320 by changing their diet but i've told people like you can't perfect your diet and live with moldy

00:13:03.140 air and be okay you have to fix the moldy air so i think we should get into what can people do like

00:13:10.100 you obviously go into houses help find the issues you work with another company that helps to find

00:13:16.160 the issues you actually remediate properly but for people who don't know what to do don't know

00:13:22.560 where to start or don't have any money to fix it, what can people do if they see mold in their

00:13:27.780 bathroom? Yeah. So I want to zoom out for one second and talk about like a really big idea.

00:13:34.500 And I'll definitely answer that question. I think for human beings, you know, we've,

00:13:39.420 if you think about how we've like survived across the eons here, you know, if we have clean food,

00:13:45.560 clean water and clean air, we will thrive. Yeah. Like we don't, we don't have, uh, you know,

00:13:51.140 headaches because we have Tylenol deficiencies, right? Like we've really gotten to this. We've

00:13:56.340 been indoctrinated, you know, really since, uh, the early 1900s that we grow up to be factory

00:14:02.340 workers. And, you know, when we have headaches, we take these, these pills and everything is

00:14:06.760 this, the simplicity of trying to solve, you know, human health problems with just,

00:14:12.280 here's a red pill, here's a blue pill, et cetera, et cetera. The problem with that is,

00:14:15.980 that. It actually can be that simple without pills. We don't need pills. We're not deficient

00:14:21.980 in pills. But it's about having clean air, clean food, and clean water. And, you know, if you look

00:14:28.520 at it from this perspective, you can't live more than a few minutes without air. You can't live

00:14:33.360 more than a few days without water. You can't live more than a few weeks without food. Well,

00:14:37.400 look at it in that order, right? It's really important that you have clean air, then clean

00:14:41.640 water and clean food. There's no doubt in my mind. I mean, like I just lost 25 pounds by

00:14:46.800 getting my diet together. And honestly, I have never been more mold sensitive than I have been

00:14:52.420 in this past year. And like, I've been detoxing again and doing all these things. And I'll tell

00:14:57.760 you that the number one thing that's been helping me is I've got more air purifiers than you can

00:15:03.540 imagine. Yeah. Right. And I and I like I cleaned up my diet and really like got, you know, got my

00:15:09.460 crap together, if you will. And that's like, I feel tremendous. I have more energy than ever

00:15:14.460 before. And it's just focusing on like those three things. I get water, fresh water delivered

00:15:18.580 to my house. I have clean air and I'm eating clean and I'm feeling amazing. My best that I've

00:15:23.740 ever felt in my mid thirties than I felt in my twenties. And so I think it's, it's the simplicity

00:15:28.460 actually of clean air, clean water and clean food. That's what we need. And if we have that,

00:15:34.640 we're going to thrive. So let's talk about clean air for a second. You know, what makes

00:15:38.200 air not clean well we have things like mold right we've been talking about mold mold's probably one

00:15:43.520 of the biggest things that you can have in your house that just wreaks havoc on your air quality

00:15:47.720 and the thing about mold is it's probably one of the easier things to detect which is why i look

00:15:53.080 at it as like the common denominator i could promise you if you have mold you have bacteria

00:15:57.360 if you have mold and you have bacteria you probably have vocs because that means you have

00:16:00.880 water intrusion and with water intrusion now you're having chemical reactions to your building

00:16:05.200 materials and you have off-gassing and you have all these other components, right? And so the

00:16:10.020 simplicity of it is what do we need to do? We need to address that specific issue. Now, probably

00:16:16.120 money tends to be the biggest concern with really anybody. And I don't care, you know, how wealthy

00:16:21.580 you are, money is always a concern, right? It's like if I have a big house and I have big problems,

00:16:26.220 it's going to be big bucks. Nobody wants to spend big bucks, right? Even if I have a little house

00:16:30.560 and little problems, it's still big bucks, right? And so because it's all a perspective to where

00:16:36.460 you're at in life, right? And so addressing money is probably the biggest concern with this. What I

00:16:41.600 can tell you this is the average person spends $400,000 being sick, okay? The average remediation

00:16:48.620 costs about $30,000, the average. Obviously, people spend more. If you have a bigger house,

00:16:53.620 you're probably going to spend more. If you have big problems, you're probably going to spend more,

00:16:57.700 but that's the average i would spend 30 000 all day long to save myself 400 000 because it's not

00:17:04.580 just the the money that it costs being sick but like the mental health the ptsd that it causes

00:17:10.560 like everything like it there's so much so much that it causes that's like collateral damage right

00:17:16.500 so when i look at it from that aspect like i want people to understand this is like this is something

00:17:22.360 that you can do that is actually the most important thing easily because you breathe

00:17:27.820 20,000 breaths per day. The amount of crap you're breathing in every second of every day is 0.99

00:17:32.700 astronomical. If you clean that up, you will notice the biggest difference in your health 0.99

00:17:36.920 guaranteed. I mean, you could probably be a testament to that, you know? Oh yeah. So I'd

00:17:41.200 say that was with, like I said, that was with my diet, like dialed in for, for autoimmunity. 0.96

00:17:46.760 for sure didn't change anything and the air quality in miami in that house just murdered me

00:17:53.060 and i think crazy you hit the nail on the head too you're like hey if i i could eat the best diet in

00:17:58.340 the world but if my air quality is not good i'm probably still not going to feel my best like

00:18:03.040 maybe i'll feel better because i got my diet in check yeah i'm not going to feel my best good

00:18:06.740 enough and i want to say like you can get your air quality in check too right but you also if

00:18:11.320 you don't have your diet in check you're not drinking you know clean water or enough water

00:18:15.420 etc. You're probably still not going to feel, you know, the best that you can feel. So I think it's

00:18:21.860 it's really this this three prong approach of eating good, drinking good, you know, and breathing

00:18:27.680 good. And it's like, crazy part for me is obviously the breathing good aspect is like no one's talking

00:18:33.520 about it. Yeah, you know, no one's doing anything about it. And that's what's really led us down

00:18:37.640 this path where how many people are sick and didn't realize I mean, you were sick, you thought

00:18:42.860 it was the trees. You thought it was everything else but the house, right? And so how do we get

00:18:47.400 from that point to a better awareness so that we're not getting to that level of being sick,

00:18:53.240 potentially causing irreversible damage that we can't get out of? And so that's, you know,

00:18:57.680 kind of the mission that I'm on right now. Yeah. Do you have a nonprofit that's working on this?

00:19:03.360 I do. I have a 501c3 called Change the Air Foundation, and it is working on policy reform.

00:19:09.980 We actually passed a law in Illinois recently, which is really exciting.

00:19:14.120 We have many states to go and many phases of laws to pass.

00:19:18.440 But, you know, we started this two years ago.

00:19:21.040 And, like, it's been a juggernaut of success, educating the public, you know, working on policy reform.

00:19:27.260 We also have this amazing research paper come out called, we call it the Policy Brief.

00:19:32.140 If you go to changetheerfoundation.org, you'll see it under the policy section.

00:19:35.720 you should read that because it is the first document that really helps establish that mold's

00:19:41.580 not just an allergy. It's not just about asthma. Like there's multi-system detriments that happen

00:19:47.400 to the human body that really haven't, you know, they've been buried in different medical journals,

00:19:52.020 but really weren't in a clear, concise place. Coincidentally, after we dropped that policy

00:19:59.300 brief later on that same year, the NIH dropped their one paper and it looked like they took

00:20:05.460 some things out of there. I can't confirm that, but it looked very similar. Their one page is now

00:20:10.660 talking about multi-system dysfunction that it causes. So it's, you know, so if we can lead by

00:20:17.240 example, which is kind of the whole point of this organization, we want to lead by example,

00:20:21.520 we want to educate people and we want to really educate not only the public, but also the

00:20:26.540 government. I mean, the government has to understand that this is a public health crisis

00:20:30.020 and that laws need to be in place to protect people. And we talked earlier about how difficult

00:20:35.020 it is for people from a money standpoint. Well, they need the proper resources to be able to

00:20:40.240 actually handle the problem. I mean, if you think it's just bad in people's homes, I mean,

00:20:44.360 I've already alluded to that, you know, 50 to 80% range. It's horrible in military housing.

00:20:49.900 It's horrible in schools. You know, don't even get me started on Section 8 housing, right? I mean,

00:20:54.660 if we look at all these different things, we want a society that can thrive, you know, a tide lifts

00:21:00.940 all boats, right? And so right now, if we have a sick population, we're going in that direction,

00:21:06.620 how are we going to, you know, thrive? How are our kids and grandkids going to grow up in a world

00:21:10.720 with the same opportunities that we have? You know, historically, the life expectancy from

00:21:17.720 generation to generation would go up, right? It actually went down in our generation,

00:21:23.460 which tells us you know as we're sitting here as as we're mother and father of kids

00:21:28.220 it tells us that our kids are not going to have the same chance if we keep this up that we have

00:21:33.700 right now and so we have to do something about this and you know it's it's one thing for me to

00:21:39.820 go out and fix people's homes one house at a time and get to work with amazing people like you and

00:21:44.760 some of the celebrities that I've been able to work with but that's not enough I mean you know

00:21:48.840 yeah yeah you can give me a pat on the back for that great but at the same time if we don't solve

00:21:53.500 this systemically through the work that change the air foundation is doing we don't really have

00:21:57.860 a fighting chance because as you can see this it's everyone's oblivious to how how problematic

00:22:03.080 this really is yeah i went from like once i got sick when i realized it was mold it's so funny

00:22:08.400 because when i first started my podcast i was like i'm gonna use this podcast and like interview

00:22:13.460 experts and try and figure out what the root caught like why can i only eat meat or i like

00:22:18.120 I'm inflamed and psychotic like what's going on with me and one of the first episodes I had was

00:22:24.400 on mold it was like episode two or three that was on mold and I remember being like wow that sounds

00:22:31.720 bad but that's not that has nothing to do with me right like it wasn't a conversation like oh no

00:22:36.580 this is a like an epidemic and it's a problem in most buildings it was well some people get really

00:22:43.120 sick and these are the symptoms and I was like yeah but like food can cause those symptoms and

00:22:47.240 other things can cause those symptoms too and then i got sick in miami and i went from like

00:22:51.700 looking at mold like something you scrub off the shower tiles because like something you remove

00:22:57.220 right and ignore to being like oh that's poisoning that's poisoning us yeah like my little girl was

00:23:04.020 so sick she had bronchitis all the time and i was like that should just be a cold she shouldn't just

00:23:09.220 get a cold and then it turns into bronchitis and lasts for a month literally like that that's not

00:23:13.560 what's supposed to happen. Right. Oh, brutal. Okay. Let's talk about the military then. So

00:23:19.260 I've heard that's particularly bad. The military housing is particularly bad.

00:23:25.700 I can tell you from firsthand experience, having visited a few different bases now,

00:23:29.460 um, it's really bad. It's pervasive. It's disgusting. Um, I literally, the last trip I

00:23:37.780 did was in key west i literally went to get an iv after like visiting the base like that's how sick

00:23:44.940 i started to feel and i was there i was exposed you know for hours imagine living in these places

00:23:51.080 24 7 right oh my gosh i you know i i've definitely become more sensitive to mold over the years like

00:23:57.860 i you know in my 20s i felt like i could be around it a little more um i fun fact about me is i had

00:24:04.260 asthma as a kid I grew up in like a moldy New York City apartment okay so it's you know it's

00:24:09.020 like as I connect the dots today like it makes sense I moved out of New York City moved to a

00:24:14.260 single family home in New Jersey all of a sudden I don't have asthma anymore I'm better everything's

00:24:19.920 great and then you know I get into this field and of course you know I'm exposing myself you know

00:24:25.260 not all the time not as much as when I really was in the field when I first started but

00:24:30.400 definitely getting exposed, right? And so I see that sensitivity kind of developing.

00:24:35.000 I'll tell you, like these places were so bad. The ceilings are literally caving in and they're

00:24:41.620 just going in and they're just screwing pieces of wood up to stop the ceilings from caving in.

00:24:47.800 The ceilings are caving in, by the way, because at some point they decided to convert from a

00:24:53.260 asphalt shingle roof to a metal roof. This is Key West, very hot in Florida. Well, if you

00:24:59.900 convert to a metal roof obviously that's going to raise the temperature because metal is up is

00:25:04.680 going to conduct that heat pretty pretty well um you're going to raise that temperature that attic

00:25:09.400 space now being in florida where you have basically air conditioning the entire time

00:25:14.080 that you're living there that temperature differential is going to create condensation

00:25:17.980 so literally we had moisture meters going around checking everything the walls and the ceilings

00:25:23.860 were like 100 wet like 100 not even like a little wet you know they should really be at zero

00:25:29.620 but one can argue as long as it's less than like, you know, 18% or 12%, you know, in that ballpark,

00:25:35.920 you're okay. So, you know, we're talking a hundred percent wet. Um, the, the, so much

00:25:41.640 saturation's happening. Ceilings are caving in. And the response was, we'll just go in and put

00:25:46.420 these, these pieces of wood up to stop the ceiling from caving in. Obviously there's mold

00:25:50.980 everywhere. I mean, we found mold in the HVAC units, found mold behind every wall. We looked

00:25:55.080 at mold behind every ceiling we looked at it's when you walk in you you get smacked in the face

00:26:00.700 with this uh exorbitant smell of mold like you just know like you know it's it's we're not in

00:26:06.800 a basement but it smells like the worst basement you can smell you know potentially imagine and

00:26:11.920 these these homes are where our military is living and their families are living and you

00:26:18.240 think about it from this like this is a national security issue right you know i i love our country

00:26:23.020 I want our military to be strong and be able to defend this great nation.

00:26:28.100 How can they possibly do that when they're overseas, you know, training or dealing with

00:26:35.180 a potential war and their families are sick back home?

00:26:38.840 How do you do that?

00:26:39.920 As a matter of fact, part of being an expert witness and being a part of some of these

00:26:44.120 litigation cases, I've had the pleasure of reading emails from majors or sergeants, literally

00:26:49.960 writing to the military, to their superiors, please help me. I am trying to complete this

00:26:55.940 mission while my family is going through hell back home. And like, you, you know, you're looking

00:27:02.160 at emails from the family and you're seeing what they're going through. And like, they're in,

00:27:05.860 they're trapped in the ER. Kids are constantly sick. They're coughing up a lung and you know,

00:27:11.120 there's just no, there's no help. And they're, you know, the people come in and they're kind

00:27:16.320 of denying that there's mold there when you can see it i've reviewed the reports you could it's

00:27:22.180 like exorbitant levels of mold that should not be in any home right and everyone's just kind of

00:27:27.860 throwing their arms up and saying what you know i don't know i think one of the bigger fundamental

00:27:32.300 problems with the with the military housing is we had this amazing idea like 25 30 years ago

00:27:38.000 to some for some reason give 50 year contracts to these like privatized industry companies to come

00:27:45.060 in and essentially like maintain these facilities. Ah, so, you know, privatized housing. So they're,

00:27:51.900 you know, they're trying to basically run these places, but earn a profit. And there's no level

00:27:57.980 of accountability that they're really required to have with respects to mold, right? One of the

00:28:04.000 biggest arguments that they'll make is that, you know, well, there's no, you know, standard for

00:28:08.720 what level of mold is safe or unsafe. Even though every professional knows, you know, if you've got

00:28:15.720 mold growing indoors and it's clearly growing more than it is outside, you know that there's

00:28:21.060 a problem inside. Every professional knows that. We also know, and the EPA says this as well,

00:28:26.140 if you could see it, you need to remove it, right? And that can be misconstrued as, well,

00:28:31.040 I didn't see it on the surface. Well, you need to check behind the surface sometimes. I mean,

00:28:35.360 sometimes we have to actually drill holes through the walls and either test behind the wall or stick

00:28:40.380 a camera behind the wall and actually see this stuff. I mean, when I tell you every wall I look

00:28:45.140 behind, there was mold. Every HVAC system I looked in, there was mold. And all of that stuff is just

00:28:50.400 circulating around the house and entering people's bodies every time they take a breath 20,000 times

00:28:54.720 per day. I mean, how do we not have people sick in that condition? Is this, so is the refusal to

00:29:02.760 fix that problem due to like them actually not thinking it's dangerous mold is dangerous or is

00:29:09.900 it more malevolent than that like do they know that this housing issue is an actual problem or

00:29:13.960 are they just like it's just mold it's fine hard to say um i think i think you have there there are

00:29:21.040 there are some people out there that do not believe that mold is a problem despite all the

00:29:25.820 research despite all the science right they do not believe that mold is a problem it doesn't make

00:29:31.800 very much sense to me because anything that you learn in sort of like the scientific and medical

00:29:37.140 community is air air transmission is one of the greatest routes of exposure you know COVID-19

00:29:42.720 ring a bell anyone right so things travel through the air and we breathe them in has a great risk

00:29:48.440 of us getting sick from that point right and so when we look at it from that perspective

00:29:52.160 how do we not consider mold as an as a potential impact irregardless of you know like how strong

00:30:00.060 you feel that the science may or may not be. The other thing is with mold and it suppresses your

00:30:06.000 immune system. I mean, we make immune suppressing drugs out of mold. Mycophenolic acid is a

00:30:12.460 mycotoxin produced by certain species of mold. Yet mycophenolic acid is what we take to literally

00:30:17.980 suppress our immune system on purpose so that when we get organ transplants, the organ transplant

00:30:23.180 will hold so our body doesn't reject the new organ. We know this stuff. Mold is used in chemical

00:30:28.900 warfare in the military. We know this stuff. We know it's a problem, but you still have people

00:30:34.900 that just, they just don't think it's that bad. You know, they walk in, they go, Oh, you know,

00:30:40.080 it's not the Ritz Carlton in here, but you know what I mean? It's open the windows. You're fine.

00:30:45.000 And that nonchalant attitude that, that, that people are taking is really causing like a massive

00:30:52.160 decline in public health. And that's what we're dealing with. And it, it's rampant in the military

00:30:57.100 and you know it's it's what's really nice to see is the military people in the military these

00:31:03.440 families that are being impacted they're standing up for themselves and they're they're taking

00:31:07.820 action and they're pressing charges and that's the only you know unfortunately when you have

00:31:12.380 these players who don't feel like they need to have a certain standard of living or habitability

00:31:20.580 for people especially when it has the potential to make them sick and when you have people that

00:31:25.600 aren't taking it seriously and at the other end of that is people literally being harmed well then

00:31:30.360 of course you know that's you're going to have to probably take some some action and that action is

00:31:36.440 going to actually show them when when unfortunately people are writing hundred million dollar checks

00:31:40.800 because they've caused liability well that's when they start to learn maybe we we need to do

00:31:46.120 something about this and it's sad that it's gotten to that level um you know and this is the level

00:31:51.900 that I see it on as an expert, because I'm hired in, you know, for these cases. But something's

00:31:58.440 got to be done. I mean, we can't just keep getting sicker and sicker and sicker. Otherwise, you know,

00:32:03.500 what are we going to grow up to in 100 years from now? How's this world going to look? And it's not

00:32:08.720 going to be pretty. Hey guys, if you haven't tried my hangover supplement after party, give it a shot

00:32:14.800 before New Year's. It has a 30 day money back guarantee through fullerhealth.com. And it's also

00:32:21.100 on Amazon. If you type in after party, you can get a refund. If you buy through Amazon as well,

00:32:25.840 but you have to email us directly through the website, Amazon won't refund you. So there's no

00:32:30.700 risk to you trying this. Then you'll have a few drinks. You'll try this incredible compound and

00:32:35.420 be like, Michaela was right. She's not a grifter. Like everyone says. So buy it now before new

00:32:40.560 years, fuller health.com or after party on Amazon. I'll link everything in the description as well.

00:32:46.840 It reduces hangovers, shakiness.

00:32:49.420 It gives you a calm feeling.

00:32:50.600 If your sleep has been impacted, it's really useful.

00:32:53.140 I never drink without it.

00:32:54.460 It breaks down acetaldehyde, which is what alcohol breaks down into.

00:32:58.960 And that's what poisons your body and your brain when you drink.

00:33:01.780 So biohack your hangovers.

00:33:03.840 It's silly not to.

00:33:05.180 They literally sell this in drinks in Japan.

00:33:08.120 People are so used to it there and it just hasn't made its way to America.

00:33:11.320 It's amazing.

00:33:12.740 After party on Amazon or fullerhealth.com link in the description.

00:33:17.620 Merry Christmas, everybody.

00:33:19.420 So did I hear right that you're actually involved in a legal case against the military?

00:33:24.420 Yeah, I've been involved in several.

00:33:26.380 So what do those look like?

00:33:28.100 So basically, it's a family.

00:33:30.140 It typically starts as a family.

00:33:31.980 Sometimes it's multiple families.

00:33:33.820 Sometimes it's dozens of families.

00:33:35.840 And essentially, I get brought in as an expert to evaluate all of the information and the

00:33:41.900 data in the case.

00:33:42.680 so usually they'll have testing of all the different you know exposures that they've had

00:33:47.700 sometimes it's you know it's the living room and a bedroom sometimes it's an entire house

00:33:52.220 um i'll get sent emails you know like there's like a whole it's almost like a like a war room

00:33:57.700 if you will yeah like like a big drop box of files that i have to kind of go through and review

00:34:02.580 and and the goal for me is i'm here as an expert i want to be unbiased if i think someone's bringing

00:34:08.240 a claim that they really shouldn't bring, that's going to cause detriment, um, you know, to the

00:34:13.360 foundation of what we're trying to accomplish with just fair information. Then of course, like I'm

00:34:19.300 going to say, Hey, I don't believe that they wronged you in this case. Right. Unfortunately,

00:34:24.160 in many of the cases that I've, that have been brought to me, there, there were significant,

00:34:29.380 you know, deviations from industry standard of care. And those deviations from that industry

00:34:34.320 standard of care allowed people to get sick and allowed people to to to be damaged and lose their

00:34:39.800 things and we're talking you know belongings they've had for 20 30 years yeah all out the

00:34:45.160 window uh we're talking you know hospital visits time that they'll never get back we're talking

00:34:50.140 symptoms that we don't still don't know today if they'll ever recover from right and so you know

00:34:55.700 it's it's really heart-wrenching to kind of have to go through those things um i don't particularly

00:35:02.200 enjoy that side of what i do yeah because it's it's emotionally draining and taxing i get very

00:35:07.840 empathetic in these in these types of situations because i'm trying to understand both sides i'm

00:35:13.340 trying to be unbiased and rationalize it at the end of the day you know um when we have deviations

00:35:19.320 from standard of care that are putting people in harm's way i feel a sense of duty to to you know

00:35:25.080 make that make that truth become uncovered because at the end of the day if we continue to sweep

00:35:31.500 things under the rug what we're going to get is a sicker and sicker society yeah so what what you

00:35:37.640 helped us do for our house was first mold testing and we use mold finders yeah right we use mold

00:35:47.880 finders and they don't just come in and do an air test you know a lot of the companies that don't

00:35:53.260 necessarily know what they're doing or will charge you 150 or 300 or something like that come in

00:35:58.540 they'll like do some weird swab in the air and be like no you're okay these guys were drilled it

00:36:04.740 was a pain but they drilled holes in the wall they did air sampling behind the wall and swab

00:36:10.460 testing and ermy testing you can get into the dust test too yeah describe what that is but that

00:36:16.520 was actual testing because you know it's not like my house had visible mold like military housing

00:36:23.020 it was like uh i keep it really clean i had air purifiers too like i've had air purifiers for

00:36:29.120 years that have helped actually um one of the condos i was in that i now know was moldy i put

00:36:34.480 air purifiers in was like oh my heart palpitations at night have gone away but i thought it was a dog

00:36:39.380 that previously lived there that i was allergic to like again no idea so we did serious air testing

00:36:44.740 um but let's let's i'll continue that in a sec can you describe what this dust sampling is that

00:36:51.360 people could do? Yeah. So I helped develop this, this product called the dust test. And the reason

00:36:56.480 that I did it is because essentially so many people have been, I don't want to say scammed,

00:37:03.560 but, but, but pretty much scammed, um, with this ideology that, you know, air testing will solve

00:37:10.340 all your problems. And I actually had this debate with a, with a company, an inspection company,

00:37:15.600 not too long ago and i said look i like air testing when it's used in the right context

00:37:21.840 right i think it's like we have to really be careful you know anything in life can be

00:37:26.400 misconstrued everything has a a time and a place right air testing is great if you're maybe like

00:37:33.120 drilling a hole through a wall and you're pulling an air sample from behind that wall or you're

00:37:37.680 testing really close to where you suspect there might be an issue right when you set up a tripod

00:37:42.960 in the center of a room and just run an air sample in the center of a room and that's all you do and

00:37:48.560 believe me there's companies out there where they'll just come in yeah they charge you a thousand

00:37:52.640 bucks i don't think i think 300 would would be gracious i don't i think they're charging way

00:37:57.040 more and i think they're setting up you know tripods and they're taking two or three air

00:38:01.440 samples and the the whole goal is to essentially tell the the client who just paid them that their

00:38:07.260 house is fine because when you when you test that way you're not going to find a problem because

00:38:12.620 you're testing too far away from where the problem actually is the problem is on the center of the

00:38:17.300 room it's like almost never in the center of the room uh it's going to be on an exterior wall which

00:38:21.860 is going to be obviously you know towards the the exit of the room right it's going to be near a

00:38:26.920 window near you know some sort of exterior door near an hvac vent right because of potentially

00:38:33.140 condensation or an interior wall where there's plumbing run through it where there could be a

00:38:37.740 plumbing leak. And so the further away you test from those areas, the more likely you are to miss

00:38:44.200 them. Another little like COVID thing we kind of learned is like, oh, we should all be six feet

00:38:48.780 apart. Actually, it was a pretty sound strategy because when we're talking about microbiological

00:38:53.800 contaminants like mold, viruses, bacteria, they're very, very light. And so they don't move, they

00:38:59.580 don't travel through the air actually very much at all. It's the surrounding velocity that moves

00:39:05.820 particles uh you know across from that direction also like viruses mold bacteria they'll attach to

00:39:12.300 the dust that's already in the air and then they'll become part of the dust hence we're getting to the

00:39:17.340 dust test right so when i realized that there's like a big problem of people you know getting

00:39:23.480 air testing and i would see that because people would be sending me these results as if i i could

00:39:28.580 do something with them um i realized we need a better way to screen the people's homes to answer

00:39:35.380 that question, do I have mold? And we want to do it in a way where it's affordable, where people

00:39:41.300 could actually afford to take that test. Because at the end of the day, $1,000 to tell you that

00:39:46.960 your house is fine when it might not be, it's literally wasting $1,000. And that's too much

00:39:51.980 money to answer that question, do I have mold? It's just too much. And so we wanted to create

00:39:57.180 a product to test the dust. Why test the dust? Because I've already mentioned that particles

00:40:03.740 attached to the dust already. Everything that happens in your environment will become part of

00:40:09.020 your dust and it will actually travel across your house. As I get up and move around the room,

00:40:14.240 I'm pushing enough air to move dust around. As the HVAC turns on and off, it's going to move dust

00:40:19.140 around. You open and close the door or window. You start thinking of all the different ways

00:40:23.520 dust moves around your entire house. So if I start collecting dust, that's probably the best

00:40:28.980 way to actually screen the home. And for a couple hundred bucks, that's something that the average

00:40:35.120 person can afford. And I say everybody can afford that, but the average person can afford. And

00:40:39.100 one of the main things, we need to get this more accessible, right? If we want to solve this

00:40:43.880 problem. So that was really the main reason. And then part of being a business owner and wanting

00:40:50.080 to help people solve problems in their home and being able to have the data to do so, I had to

00:40:55.320 you know, find inspectors that didn't just take an air sample in the center of the room or the

00:41:00.520 center of the house that actually, you know, we'll investigate, we'll use moisture meters and we'll

00:41:05.700 use thermal imaging cameras and we'll actually test in the walls where the problem actually

00:41:10.320 is likely to be and knows how to actually look for certain signs that give you a clue to test

00:41:17.480 that wall. Otherwise you just, I know inspectors that'll just, you know, it's, it would cost a

00:41:23.460 fortune because they're going to test every wall. They have no rhyme or reason to understanding what

00:41:28.800 walls might be more problematic than others. And that's going to be, you know, shining a flashlight

00:41:33.540 down vertically on a, on a wall surface can give you a pretty good idea. If I see something water

00:41:39.100 damp, some sort of subtle stains or water damage or any sort of discoloration, I'm going to be like,

00:41:44.480 Hey, test that wall. Right. And so what it requires is an artisan. It requires somebody

00:41:49.540 actually cares. It's going to go through your facility, your home, and really look to find

00:41:55.000 problems. The goal isn't to just tell you everything's fine. If it's not, the goal is to

00:41:59.800 find any potential problems and then test those problems to validate if they are in fact problems.

00:42:06.300 And then through that, you can see the lab data will tell you, is it a little problem or a big

00:42:11.440 problem, right? Cause you'll see, you'll, you'll see it in the numbers. And then I'm constantly

00:42:16.400 trying to help people. Okay. Let's not worry about every little problem. Yeah. Let's focus on

00:42:21.680 what are the big problems that are creating the biggest impact to the quality of air you're

00:42:25.980 breathing. Let's start there and let's work our way down. And that's how I help people put together,

00:42:30.640 you know, scientifically put together budgets to improve the quality of air they're breathing.

00:42:35.820 Um, and so, you know, that's, that's definitely something I think is, is a very smart,

00:42:41.180 ready, aim, fire approach. Anytime anyone tells me I can see it, I just want to get rid of it,

00:42:48.540 you know, they're ready to take a hammer to it. I'm like, no, no, no, no, no. I can't work with

00:42:52.740 you because if we're not going to do this intelligently and we're just going to start

00:42:56.460 swinging hammers, you are going to make a mistake. And I don't want to be a part of that mistake,

00:43:00.640 right? I want you to succeed in this journey. And I think part of that is actually slowing down a

00:43:05.820 little bit and making sure we have all the data and we have the right plan to kind of tackle the

00:43:10.940 project. I was at the point of swinging Amherst, I think when I contacted you and I just left the

00:43:15.860 house, but I have enough money that I was like, the house is killing me. I need to get out of

00:43:19.280 the house. I need to get my kid out of the house. I'm going to go stay in a hotel and just,

00:43:22.140 I don't know. Wear Target clothes for a while. I have clients that are like buying houses to like

00:43:29.080 just live in for like a month while their other house is getting fixed. Like that's best case

00:43:33.960 scenario. That's best case scenario. For sure. I know. I feel like I had so many people reach out

00:43:39.620 that are like yeah you know they're in an apartment building and it's the neighbor's house that's

00:43:45.200 really badly impacted and there's like water coming through one of the walls that's attached

00:43:49.380 to the neighbor's wall they're like what do i do you know my kid has bronchitis all the time i have

00:43:54.880 all these autoimmune symptoms we all have chronic fatigue i was like i don't know get out of the

00:44:00.520 lease like somehow take pictures threaten the landlord get out of the lease like it's not

00:44:06.960 something you can live in right people and the funny thing is i did all this research on diet

00:44:12.560 and there was there were so few studies there are more studies coming out now on the keto diet and

00:44:16.260 everything but there were so few studies that it was basically like well this worked for me

00:44:20.360 you might as well give it a shot you know that was basically all i could say but when i did a

00:44:25.940 deep dive on the research behind air quality and like mold and bacteria in your air there were

00:44:31.960 like hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of studies. I listed a bunch of them. I have a

00:44:37.240 biotoxin.com website where I just, cause I got like obsessive for a while, listed a bunch of

00:44:41.840 them, but you have to search them. Like some of them are called, you know, water damage. Some of

00:44:47.460 them are called mold illness. Like they're all under slightly different names because the research

00:44:52.320 is kind of new. So like some of them are under SERS. It depends. There was another term for it,

00:44:59.500 but like this isn't soft science and it's international like there are studies out of

00:45:05.360 asia there's studies out of europe like america the housing issue is terrible here but the studies

00:45:12.280 on how mold impacts your health are everywhere it shocked me i was like people treat mold like

00:45:18.040 an allergy like if your house was covered in pollen right yeah and it's not which is how i

00:45:23.640 kind of how i thought of it was like yeah you know it's not good obviously mold you know you

00:45:28.740 kind of automatically have an aversion to it and things, but it's kind of like, you know, pollen

00:45:32.700 or something that could cause an allergy. But these are like, like you said, multi-system

00:45:37.640 like failures. It's really not good. That's not good at all. And, you know, I want to talk more

00:45:45.080 a little bit about the worst case scenarios. Cause you know, I think a lot of people end up

00:45:49.940 in that worst case scenario bucket. They know they're in a bad situation. They're not unsure

00:45:54.040 how to get out. I think, you know, if you are in a moldy environment and you don't have any

00:45:59.040 resources, you don't have two nickels to rub together, right? What are you going to want to

00:46:02.460 do? Obviously, if you can get out, get out, right? Go stay with a friend, get out of there. Especially

00:46:08.140 if you, you know, if you have a family and you have kids that are impacted, like just get out of

00:46:11.540 there, contact an attorney, talk to them about breaking the lease, right? You, if they will help

00:46:18.040 you understand like the data points that you would need to get to show them legally, you know, that

00:46:23.900 the house is not habitable and that you can be there because obviously, and any attorney will

00:46:30.180 tell you, do not stop paying rent because that's, once you're in breach of your own, once you're in

00:46:35.780 breach of that contract, you like your protections are out the window. And so you have to keep paying

00:46:40.600 rent, unfortunately, but get, get with an attorney, get the right data. It changes state to state. So

00:46:46.680 every state has their own specific real estate laws that protect people. One of the things that

00:46:51.820 change the air is fighting for is obviously you know kind of getting these states to be more in

00:46:56.120 alignment yeah everybody's protect properly protected um this the other thing is like

00:47:01.640 things that you can do open windows the solution of pollution is dilution if you open windows and

00:47:07.280 we open doors that fresh air coming in is going to dilute the amount of particles entering your body

00:47:12.460 with every breath that you take get air purifiers okay i know air pure i know really good air

00:47:17.700 purifiers at like a hundred bucks or less. Okay. So you don't have to, you know, buy thousands of

00:47:22.580 dollars worth of air purifiers. You can get them, you know, a pretty good deal on them. The goal

00:47:26.700 there is find one that removes the smallest particle possible at the highest efficiency

00:47:32.020 possible. What's a good model that's at this lower price point? Cause I know some of them,

00:47:37.520 literally the ones I have are, are pricey. Yeah. There's an Intellipure compact right now. If you

00:47:43.000 go to homecleanse.com, you will find one probably for $99 or a hundred bucks or something to that.

00:47:47.700 effect. Like it doesn't have to cost you a fortune. Now there are ones that are, you know,

00:47:52.700 800 bucks, thousand bucks. They have all these bells and whistles. When you're just trying to

00:47:57.460 get out of some bad situation or improve upon something, you don't necessarily need wifi and

00:48:03.300 all these different bells and whistles and this cool app. You just need to breathe better, right?

00:48:07.320 And so get, get a, you know, get a good inexpensive air purifier, find one that has a good filter in

00:48:13.060 that, you know, guarantees to remove a small particle and start plugging them in. And honestly,

00:48:19.140 if I had to choose between an $800 air purifier or $800 air purifiers, I'm going to choose $800

00:48:25.660 air purifiers all day long because now I can put them in various parts of the apartment or house

00:48:31.800 or wherever I'm at and make sure that I'm cleaning as much of the air as possible. Because if you

00:48:35.960 look at them, different ones are meant for different size spaces. And so odds are one

00:48:41.680 is probably not going to cut it for your entire apartment or your entire house. Right. And so

00:48:46.140 that's another tip. The second thing is we kept talking about dust. Well, if we know that we can

00:48:50.920 find mold in our dust, then we know that removing dust is going to provide us some benefit. You

00:48:56.780 know, you unfortunately, and I know like how hard it is when you're sick to get up and have the

00:49:03.040 energy and motivate yourself to clean. But if you don't, you're literally killing yourself while

00:49:08.520 you're sleeping because it's getting worse and worse and worse and it's compounding and compounding

00:49:12.560 it's like so so when i got sick i got chronically fatigued again not to the same level before my

00:49:20.140 diet when i was taking adderall for chronic fatigue but like like everything was heavy and

00:49:25.540 i was having trouble like i was too tired to walk upstairs i was getting out of breath and things

00:49:28.840 it was like too weak and i was napping and i was like this house just wants to eat me once i figured

00:49:33.980 out it was mold i was like you just get sleepier and sleepier and you're like i'll feel better if

00:49:37.780 I nap I'll feel better with when I nap breathing in mold spores it's so creepy it's like a dwindling

00:49:45.420 spiral right because you're like trying you're you've got this crazy fatigue this debilitating

00:49:50.800 fatigue you're trying to heal and so like you're tired so like maybe if I sleep it off it'll be good

00:49:55.680 but as you're sleeping you're getting worse and worse because you're just constantly breathing

00:49:59.560 it in it's like it's literally a death trap um you know you you have to get up you have to motivate

00:50:05.380 yourself to get up, psych yourself out, do whatever you need to do, put on your favorite

00:50:10.020 music. I don't care what it is. Sleep outdoors. But you got to get up and you got to start

00:50:14.760 removing dust from your house. You open windows, you get air purifiers, you start removing dust

00:50:20.000 from your house. Those three things, like the trifecta, that will 100% make a massive difference,

00:50:26.180 especially if you're like, I just need a good night's sleep. I just need something to get me

00:50:31.440 a good night's sleep so i can think my way out of this good open doors get some air purifiers

00:50:37.040 clean your place top to bottom remove as much dust as you can it's it's great if you have the

00:50:42.740 air purifiers running while you're dusting because naturally as you kind of remove dust some will

00:50:48.120 aerosolize that can kind of help with that another tip to kind of stop the aerosolization would be

00:50:53.640 spray like your surfaces that you're cleaning first kind of get them wet that kind of stops

00:50:58.780 the particles from getting into the air and then use microfiber towels to kind of clean everything

00:51:02.840 up. If you do those three things, I promise you, you will notice a difference. I'm not going to

00:51:08.020 say it's going to solve all your problems because if you've got a nasty infestation somewhere,

00:51:12.400 you know, and it's creating more particles, uh, than you can physically remove, but you know,

00:51:17.840 it's, it's, it's going to help, but it's not going to be the, the, the number one fix.

00:51:22.560 But if you're just like, I just need something to just get some sleep to really think my way

00:51:28.220 through this, figure out what's the, what's my next move, you know, um, that's going to help.

00:51:34.040 But ultimately I think depending on how bad it is getting out of there, um, you know, it's probably

00:51:39.540 going to be a very important endeavor. And I've heard it all. It's like, how am I, who's going

00:51:43.900 to pay for my moving costs? What am I going to do? And it's like, look, I get it. I do. I've been

00:51:48.240 there. It's bad. I lived in an apartment. I lived in an apartment growing up. Like, you know, we

00:51:52.440 didn't have a lot of money growing up. So I get that. I've been there. I can tell you that though,

00:51:56.740 if you could scrounge some money to get yourself out of there, you know, it's going to, I'm not

00:52:02.600 going to say it's going to be easy, but if you do that and you make that a priority and you make

00:52:07.380 that the priority, you will overcome it and you get out of there and you will notice that you'll

00:52:12.660 start to get better. Where do you go? That's a whole other crazy topic of conversation, but you

00:52:18.560 know, you got to remember not all places are created equal. Some you're, if you're in a really

00:52:23.840 bad situation. You can't think, well, 50, 80% of the homes are like this. Where am I going to go?

00:52:30.080 Well, the next place might not be as bad. Maybe it doesn't have some of the toxigenic molds.

00:52:35.540 You know, maybe the same mycotoxins that are more debilitating for you specifically are not being

00:52:41.760 produced in that new place. Maybe there's some other toxins, but those are okay. And you'll

00:52:46.260 notice like people can go into different environments and experience different molds

00:52:51.980 and different toxins and have different feelings and different symptoms. And so

00:52:56.540 get out of the one that's causing you the most harm. And even if the place isn't perfect,

00:53:03.400 you might notice that you feel a hundred times better because it's got different toxins or

00:53:08.560 different mold species that aren't wreaking as much havoc for you. And so this is definitely

00:53:13.420 a very individualized situation. That's kind of what we did. So we were in Florida.

00:53:20.400 um i finally figured out it was mold i had an episode with judy cho to talk about sirs i

00:53:26.880 invited her on because i had like this nagging suspicion it had some that my symptoms had

00:53:31.520 something to do with mold um we went to a hotel the hotel we went to was definitely musty like

00:53:36.800 when i walked in there so i was like is it all of florida and then came to arizona for bed and we

00:53:42.520 weren't in a clean place either we stayed in a hotel i ermie tested it though i was going going

00:53:47.260 ham. I was like, how's this? And it was a low ERMI test and we had all the windows and doors

00:53:51.700 open and everything. And that was enough to start feeling better. But yeah, getting out is key. I

00:53:57.260 was on the verge of living in a tent. I was like, I don't care. I just want to be able to breathe

00:54:00.560 and think again. Like I lost my brain. I have no internal dialogue, like sleep in a tent for a few

00:54:05.040 days. It's warm out. It's fine. Like I need to be able to think again. It was crazy. And people

00:54:10.180 are doing that. Like people are sleeping in tents if they have no other option. Right. And obviously

00:54:14.560 it has to be warm. It sounds insane. Like I would have thought that was an insane thing to do.

00:54:19.280 And then I experienced the brain fog and like weakness and was just like,

00:54:23.480 I just need some air. I know it sounds insane. And there, there are people out there that are

00:54:29.980 judging us right now, but I'll tell you this, it's actually more insane to stay in the place

00:54:34.960 that's making you sick just because it has four walls and a roof over it than it is to literally

00:54:40.540 get a tent and sleep outside if that fresh air outside you know picture like you're going camping

00:54:46.220 for the weekend you know like camp for a little bit be able to think again be able to think again

00:54:50.820 and then like you know i'm not saying you need to like live in a tent forever that would you know

00:54:55.540 that that might be a little extreme but i think you know just getting out of there even temporarily

00:55:00.040 even for like a weekend and you know camping in your backyard go for it at the end of the day

00:55:04.600 you're gonna need to think your way out of what what's my next move right because if i'm in this

00:55:09.760 place i mean i spoke to like an older couple yesterday they have uh the wife has alzheimer's

00:55:15.120 and she's 75 he's 85 and they have this like 2 000 square foot home and they're like asking me

00:55:21.560 like well i've watched some of your videos and i already know that we have a lot of clutter and a

00:55:27.600 lot of dust and we're going to tackle that but we've also had some leaks and some things what do

00:55:32.420 we what do we need to do about this and it's like well let's send me all of the data you have you've

00:55:37.500 got, they had mold testing from 2019. I said, have you done anything since 2019? No. Okay. So all that

00:55:42.960 testing probably is the same, maybe worse, you know, certainly not better because you haven't

00:55:47.460 done anything to it. So let's use that as, as kind of a, an understanding of what should you do to,

00:55:52.300 to remove these things. And he's like, you know, I'm not rich. Uh, you know, whatever, whatever I

00:55:58.340 invest in this, I I'd like, I'd like to end my life in this house. So I want to invest whatever

00:56:03.320 it takes to fix this. But at the same time, if it's going to be too costly and it's not going

00:56:08.860 to make sense, I also need you to be honest with me so that I can make that decision of, you know,

00:56:13.840 maybe selling this place and finding another place. He goes, it'd be sad because I spent 44

00:56:18.180 years of my life here. But, you know, and I said, listen, I can tell you this. I'm going to be very

00:56:22.980 upfront and honest with you. If I don't, I'm going to tell you what I think it'll cost to make this

00:56:27.440 healthy. And I think from that point on, it's a very personal decision. You're either going to

00:56:33.120 make that investment or you're not. And I think you have to weigh that out because sometimes it

00:56:38.880 is too costly. And probably 10% of the time. So it's not a big portion of the time. 90% of the

00:56:44.900 time I can come up with a plan that makes people, that's acceptable and feasible for people. But

00:56:50.500 10% of the time, it's like that house to remediate it is going to cost six figures or more. And it's

00:56:57.600 not going to be worth it. You know, you're not going to get the value out of it. You will never

00:57:01.940 be able to sell that house and recover financially you know yeah and those those are those are those

00:57:07.120 are really tough positions to be in but honesty is the best practice here because if if they're

00:57:13.260 going to not be able to make the right financial decision they're not going to be in a good place

00:57:17.600 either and so it's it's a bit tricky as you can see but i think it's like you know people need

00:57:23.580 to understand sometimes you just have to get out yeah and and it might not be salvageable

00:57:28.540 i think if people understood how bad it was like it if people understood how bad it was then it

00:57:35.760 would be less of a decision right it's not something you can mitigate with detoxing

00:57:39.820 it's not something you can mitigate with diet now diet can help your symptoms like when i got sick

00:57:46.120 from mold i would have been like i would have been way way sicker if i didn't have my diet

00:57:52.920 optimized and if I didn't have air filter air purifiers right you know all these things but

00:57:57.960 like I couldn't I couldn't out diet it I had to leave and remediate the house one of the things

00:58:04.440 that that you helped us do that I think made a huge difference that I had no idea about because

00:58:09.820 I didn't know how to I didn't know anything about building houses like I don't want to know how a

00:58:13.800 house is built not really now I know more than I wanted to know and that was probably a good thing

00:58:18.340 but you uh suggested and we installed ervs can you get into what ervs are and how they differ

00:58:27.560 from regular hvacs because that was like as soon as it turned on it was like oh the air smells like

00:58:34.660 a mountain like it was it was so good and i know those are pricey i don't know i guess it depends

00:58:41.040 on the size of the house yeah but i think people should know about ervs because i think even if we

00:58:45.660 had had like little areas where we were a bit paranoid about not i'm not talking water like

00:58:51.020 massive water damage but just like old areas i feel like with the erv it improves the air quality

00:58:57.960 so much that people should be aware that it's an option especially if you're building a house or

00:59:03.020 renovating one yeah so erv systems what they it's an energy recovery ventilator it is a mechanical

00:59:09.260 ventilation tool so what it does it brings in fresh air from outside inside so i thought

00:59:15.120 that's what h like any old hvac did i didn't even know how air was circulating around the house

00:59:20.940 yeah so sometimes hvacs have like fresh air intakes where they bring in a little bit of fresh

00:59:26.620 air but it's not really much and most of the hvac is recycling the air that you're already breathing

00:59:33.380 inside conditioning it and supplying it back out i don't think people know that i didn't know that

00:59:38.320 that it was just recycling air yeah so all right you ever been in the car and noticed there's like

00:59:43.380 this weird button that has like an arrow that kind of like points back so that is recirculation

00:59:48.300 um your house is basically that button is basically pressed 24 7 that's insane yeah

00:59:55.800 then like you have to open doors and windows at some point because you're just recycling air

01:00:00.480 i i thought you just got fresh air from hvacs like i thought that's what an hvac was i was

01:00:05.880 mind blown when you're like you need an erv it was like why aren't houses just built with those

01:00:10.140 well uh they're starting to be built with those because you know we're i think the building

01:00:15.840 community started to realize oh yeah we've got these like tight death boxes people are regurgitating

01:00:21.680 their own like bacteria literally and there's no fresh air i mean again this is like a symptom of

01:00:28.060 this energy efficiency death box they are they don't know like they're like aquariums i mean they

01:00:32.180 look amazing you know but like i love these like new modern homes i you know i get excited to see

01:00:38.460 the aesthetic of them but when i realized that okay they've got it's like you have multi multi

01:00:44.980 million dollar homes out there like i'm telling you that their hvac filters are like four dollar

01:00:51.560 filters that you could buy at home depot right no good filtration they don't have any erv systems

01:00:58.200 so they're just recycling and regurgitating the same like you know i'm literally i'm sorry to say

01:01:04.880 this because it's disgusting but i'm putting out hundreds of millions of particles of bacteria

01:01:08.600 by being in this room and having this conversation with you you're doing the same right it's it's

01:01:13.240 unavoidable we don't really think about these things because it's all it all happens very

01:01:16.960 invisibly right none of us see this but it's this it's this interaction we go to restaurants right

01:01:22.820 we're breathing the same air with all these other people well we're sharing airplanes like we're

01:01:27.960 sharing microbiome with all these strangers 24 7 right now think about it when you're living in a

01:01:34.320 tight home like all modern homes are we're gonna have this no exchange of air volume so all like

01:01:42.800 the chemicals you you use right not saying you specifically but like all of us use some level

01:01:48.640 of chemicals in life um even like some of the botanical products that have and i could you

01:01:53.840 could have an accumulation of essential oils which over time can be you know problematic

01:01:59.440 you think about all the cleaning products all the cooking we do all just all the life we live

01:02:05.340 in these these boxes with no fresh air it's just an accumulation of trillions and quadrillions of

01:02:12.400 particles that never get removed until we physically remove them by cleaning these

01:02:17.780 particles and literally throwing them out in the trash yeah so like as we think about all of that

01:02:23.200 it's not good right and no one listening to this is going to be like this is this is great no

01:02:29.100 So how do we how do we fix this? Well, erv systems is one way we can fix that

01:02:34.020 If I live in a tight box now I have an a ventilator that's literally bringing fresh air in and exchanging that air

01:02:40.960 Well, now i've got you know

01:02:43.240 These particles are dispersing

01:02:45.400 Some of them are going to go outside. Some of them are going to get trapped in the filter

01:02:49.060 That fresh air is going to come in and dilute it

01:02:51.380 All I can tell you is is that when you breathe 20 000 times per day

01:02:55.240 the amount of particles entering your body are going to be less volume because of that fresh

01:03:01.500 air aspect, that dilution, than if you live in a tight box. And so ERV systems, I think,

01:03:06.660 are extremely important in the modern building. That and dehumidification systems, another thing

01:03:13.060 with tight homes, we're not letting moisture escape properly. So we need, you know, fresh air

01:03:18.480 ventilation, or we need dehumidification, maybe a combination of both, depending on the climate

01:03:23.460 you live in but like these are things that are must-haves in modern buildings and i can tell you

01:03:29.540 houses i've been in the past 15 years that didn't happen yeah yeah i'd never heard of an erv like

01:03:36.020 until you and it really made a difference so when we moved to arizona my parents are living in the

01:03:41.480 house we had um but those had like regular hvacs and super clean and everything and it just made

01:03:49.320 such a difference i could tell it made a difference to my sleep and i was hypersensitive when i moved

01:03:53.720 into that house because because i got so sick in miami but the erv it was like oh it doesn't smell

01:04:00.020 like anything in here like which is you know your house if you can get your house to a point where

01:04:05.400 you actually can't smell anything like that's a good sign well yeah so basically clean is the

01:04:11.960 absence of smells yeah right not febreze it's not febreze it's not we we tend to we want to add

01:04:18.220 smells because we've been like indoctrinated you know think about growing up everyone used bleach

01:04:22.320 right so you associate this clean smell this clean home with like this smell of bleach

01:04:27.080 it's like you've been programmed to honestly think that clean means a chemical smell or fragrance

01:04:32.580 and that's what clean is no no it's actually the absence of smells when you smell when i walk in

01:04:37.700 somewhere and i smell something i'm immediately like why do i smell this it's like what what is

01:04:43.100 happening you know it's like you know sometimes you have places that are just pumping fragrance

01:04:47.240 fragrance throughout, you know, the, the entire building. Okay. Sometimes, you know, like there's

01:04:51.580 a humidity issue and you could smell like, you know, bacteria literally growing or mold literally

01:04:56.660 growing, you know? And so you're, I'm always like looking for what's the cause of this odor and do

01:05:02.400 I need to be alarmed? Right. And, you know, and it's like, you'll, you'll find me like literally

01:05:06.960 walking through places just going, you know, like a maniac because I'm like, you know, what,

01:05:12.860 what's happening here and that's how i can tell like when when a place doesn't have a smell i'm

01:05:17.900 like this is great yeah this is what i want yeah i had dave asprey on my podcast at my parents house

01:05:24.820 and he came in he was like yeah no smell yeah i was like yeah it makes you crazy but it's true

01:05:31.160 and with it you were talking about how like clean water clean food clean air it's actually it's

01:05:38.800 crazy that people have been indoctrinated to not believe that because any other animal on the

01:05:43.560 planet you'd be like is their water clean have they eaten the food that they should be eating 0.95

01:05:48.580 right and then obviously air so it's just i don't know how we forgot this well we're arrogant i hate

01:05:56.300 to say it we're smarter than than animals so we we've more more advanced we've become like

01:06:01.740 complacent with our arrogance i said essentially you know it's like i have this conversation all

01:06:07.140 time like well people have a hard time adjusting to the fact that there's something that is so

01:06:13.320 small that you literally can't see yeah that can get into your body and make you sick and you have

01:06:19.960 you like it's like i don't get it i'm i'm big and i'm strong and you know i'm feet tall in the air

01:06:27.060 and i'm so much bigger than these things how can it how can it do that it's like well it can and

01:06:31.780 that's the the cold hard truth like we've been indoctrinated that bacteria can make us sick we

01:06:36.800 all understand that we all understand viruses make us sick we all understand that right um

01:06:42.120 but mold why not why not mold we also know that some fungi make us sick true like we do we do

01:06:50.440 know that you learn that in like intro to biology bacteria virus is fungi yeah then it's like oh no

01:06:55.900 mold is the friendly one then we could have we know that we can have like candida overgrowth

01:07:00.360 and yeast right another part of the fungus community and but for some reason mold that

01:07:05.880 stuff is just unsightly but it doesn't actually make us sick and that's like that's that's like

01:07:10.520 this mysterious belief obviously i think that sentiment has changed over the past 10 years

01:07:16.320 since i've really kind of seen things and i've seen more people become aware of it but it's still

01:07:21.200 like you know it's it's the health conscious people that know yeah and everybody else is just

01:07:28.740 still walking around oblivious and i think that's you know it's it's and unfortunately

01:07:32.820 some of these people are are in very you know positions of power right and they're oblivious

01:07:39.080 to the fact as a matter of fact they're they're opposite of oblivious they they like are anti

01:07:44.700 believing it for whatever reason and that's part of you know really part of the societal challenge

01:07:49.620 have you heard of just well law yes are you a fan of them oh yeah yeah i'll link i'll link some of

01:07:56.880 the people i found that can help with these problems in in the video below and you could

01:08:01.460 send me some air purifier suggestions we can link them below too so people can go explore just well

01:08:07.940 law can you explain what they do so they're a wellness law firm um they literally help you

01:08:14.080 know people that have been impacted by you know like they the big case that they won in um red

01:08:21.180 hill when the Navy accidentally spilled, uh, jet fuel into the water supply and then kind of lied

01:08:28.180 about it and kind of covered it up. And then, yeah, so that, that she won that case and that

01:08:33.360 helped, um, thousands of families out there, uh, tens of thousands of families out there. Um,

01:08:39.580 she takes a lot of mold cases. I know that for a fact I'm working on, uh, I've worked on several

01:08:45.200 cases in my career with her. I'm working on a big case with her now in Florida. Um, and

01:08:51.120 And, you know, the goal, I think the goal for Just Well Law is helping people have a route to, you know, hold people accountable or to get some retribution when they are wronged.

01:09:03.800 You know, it's part of the justice system.

01:09:06.140 You know, sometimes we need to use the justice system that we have here in the United States to get that justice.

01:09:12.280 You know, and it's working with them is great.

01:09:15.660 You know, there are other people out there as well that are helping, but there are far and few between.

01:09:22.220 It's, you know, it's technically toxic tort litigation when you're dealing with like mold cases.

01:09:29.140 And there's not a lot of toxic tort litigators.

01:09:32.740 I've never heard of that.

01:09:34.000 So, yeah.

01:09:35.040 Unfortunately, there's not.

01:09:36.140 And there's even fewer in that band of litigation that understand mold illness and understand how to, you know, actually gather the right evidence to take on a mold case.

01:09:48.600 You know, as an expert, I'm only as good as the data that I have, right?

01:09:53.540 Same for a doctor.

01:09:55.280 If the doctor doesn't have good data, they're not going to be able to make good suggestions on how to heal, right?

01:09:59.820 And so if I don't have good data, I'm not going to be able to make good suggestions on how to fix the home or how the home should have been fixed when it wasn't, right?

01:10:07.540 And so I think building a case is an extremely important part of the process.

01:10:12.820 And so, you know, you need people like Just Well Law in existence that can help people, you know, build the right case, get the right information.

01:10:20.320 And, you know, that's how they get the retribution that they deserve in the justice system when it's, well, when the justice system deems that they deserve it, right?

01:10:29.820 Mm-hmm. Okay. Well, that was fascinating. I think we could end this episode with just

01:10:36.160 say people have watched until now and are all paranoid. They're one of the 50 to 80% houses.

01:10:42.900 What can the average person, what kind of signs of mold should people look for? Or what are the

01:10:49.360 major signs of water damage? Yeah. So we talked about the dust test, which is obviously an

01:10:54.420 affordable thing people can do. You know, that's going to be your more scientific approach to

01:10:58.620 things. Um, there's a couple other little hacks that I've noticed along the way. Um, first off

01:11:03.960 your toilet tank, you know, I tell people to check their toilets. It's a good one. It's like,

01:11:07.600 it takes three seconds. You literally go over to your toilet, you pop the lid off, look on the

01:11:11.420 underside and look inside. Now I get asked this question a lot. If I have a clean toilet tank,

01:11:16.980 does that mean I'm in the clear? Not necessarily, you know, there's a lot of variables, but if you

01:11:22.020 have mold in that toilet tank, I can tell you like without a shadow of a doubt, you have mold

01:11:26.220 somewhere opportunistically getting inside that toilet tank, right? And so that's a clear indicator

01:11:31.500 if I have mold in there, I'm going to probably want to get someone in to investigate where it

01:11:35.760 might be coming from. It has to originate from somewhere, right? The second thing, you know,

01:11:40.840 if it is clean, it could be clean for various reasons. You know, maybe it's further away from

01:11:46.560 any potential source that you might have. So if it's further away, you know, odds are you're not

01:11:50.580 going to see a lot of growth in there. So, you know, it's a good sign. I take it as a win.

01:11:54.920 but I'd check all your toilets not just one and I would make sure that you know I'm using some of

01:12:02.180 the other factors as well which I'm about to share visually you want to look for water signs

01:12:07.800 of water damage I know everybody wants to look for mold because it's like it makes sense if I

01:12:14.000 have mold maybe I'd see it but unfortunately a lot of mold can be behind the wall behind the ceiling

01:12:19.160 in your HVAC system so you actually want to look for signs of water damage if I have like that

01:12:23.660 coffee-like stain on my ceiling or on my wall, okay, maybe I don't see mold on the front of the

01:12:29.960 wall, but I'd bet there's probably mold behind the wall because there's probably insulation behind

01:12:34.440 there that got wet as well, that stayed wet for far longer. And so you're likely to find mold in

01:12:40.520 the insulation and behind the wall, right? And so when you see signs of water damage,

01:12:45.740 my recommendation would be, you know, get someone in to test it and make sure it's not mold,

01:12:52.040 you know because they can actually drill through the wall and take an air sample behind the wall

01:12:56.300 they can swab the surface of that stain i can't tell you how many times where i've seen lab reports

01:13:02.300 and i've seen photos and i've been like oh i bet that's not going to be a thing and it's like boom

01:13:07.160 a million spores of aspergillus you're like that's interesting and then photos where i'm like oh

01:13:12.340 that's probably going to be horrible and it actually wasn't so bad right so i think testing

01:13:16.080 helps us validate and understand how big the problem is there's a lot of factors and it's a

01:13:20.900 lot more than just visual so we want to look for water damage signs and then see if there's mold

01:13:26.440 that makes sense and then obviously smell yeah if it smells off like we talked about clean is

01:13:33.740 the absence of smell if it smells something's off right and you'd want to figure out what it is

01:13:39.520 that wet earthy smell that we've kind of become accustomed to like oh that's just what a basement

01:13:45.380 smells like no that is what mold smells like and so you had mold in your basement if your

01:13:50.800 basement smells like that. And I would, you know, you can have a basement and it could not smell

01:13:56.400 if it's, you know, managed properly and you have dehumidifiers and you're controlling the amount

01:14:00.760 of moisture. If it's not managed properly and it's, then it's going to smell like that. And

01:14:04.900 that's because you literally have mold growing. And that smell is actually literally like mold

01:14:10.400 farts called MVOCs. And it's literally by it's gas that it produces as it's feeding on the

01:14:17.180 building materials inside your house beautiful um mold as a function of this planet it's a it's it

01:14:23.740 exists to literally eat organic decaying matter great for like leaves in the fall terrible for

01:14:31.800 human beings living inside the modern building yeah well i think that ends our episode where

01:14:38.620 can people find you if they're interested about learning more uh you can definitely go to

01:14:43.100 change the air foundation.org and learn all about the nonprofit, please do so. If anything I've said

01:14:48.020 inspires you and you want to get behind this clean air movement, please do so. Join, join us

01:14:53.560 at change the air foundation.org. You can check out me personally at the Michael Rubino.com. Um,

01:14:59.200 you can, I have a nice AI chat bot. Any question you type in there, it basically pulls any article

01:15:04.800 I've ever written. Uh, it pulls from all of my own articles that I've ever written books,

01:15:09.700 everything so the answers will be like you're talking to me which is pretty cool um you could

01:15:15.460 also book appointments with me i'm always happy to help people in any way that i possibly can

01:15:19.580 and if you need remediation and you you know you need your house inspected or anything like that

01:15:24.740 go to homecleanse.com that that company is is amazing i founded it i'm still heavily involved

01:15:30.460 um you know and and definitely making sure that people have the resources they need to actually

01:15:35.400 address and find these problems, that's where you go. Thank you. And thank you very much for

01:15:40.360 helping me with my mold problems. Of course. Much appreciated. You're welcome. And thank you for

01:15:45.620 having me.

The Mikhaila Peterson Podcast - December 13, 2024

Is Your House Toxic？ Indoor Air Quality and Why it Matters ｜ Michael Rubino EP 216

Episode Stats

Transcript