The Mikhaila Peterson Podcast - December 20, 2024


Tammy Peterson on Marriage to JBP, Parenting, Fame, and Faith ｜ EP 217


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00:00:00.000 How has Jordan become more attractive over time?
00:00:02.480 Well, he went on the carnivore diet and lost like 50 pounds.
00:00:07.280 I used to say to him, where's your skeleton?
00:00:09.460 I'd poke him, where's your skeleton?
00:00:11.200 Because he had been such a thin young man.
00:00:13.460 And then he started gaining weight and I was like, wait a minute,
00:00:16.240 this isn't the guy I married, like what are you doing?
00:00:18.340 I'd been doing massages for 25 years or something.
00:00:21.080 When I got arthritis in my thumbs, I spent six months just asking,
00:00:24.580 what should I do next?
00:00:25.700 And then I saw Jordan in the kitchen one day and I thought,
00:00:28.040 he's a busy man maybe I could help him was this before 2016 just before like a week later he came
00:00:35.320 downstairs and said something was bugging him the people in his practice were complaining about
00:00:40.060 political correctness and now it was coming to the university he wasn't going to be able to keep
00:00:44.180 his mouth shut and I said why don't you say something publicly what could happen that
00:00:48.740 afternoon the house was filled with journalists and it never stopped yeah right definitely do you
00:00:53.240 have to go to the tour shows i have committed so yes like what did i want when i was 18 i wanted
00:00:59.240 a van to drive around the world with my baby and now i travel around the world with my baby i didn't
00:01:04.600 know it was going to be grown man i suppose you didn't know it was going to be around the world
00:01:08.680 yeah right but that is all i wanted when i was 18. that's such a hippie thing to do i know i
00:01:13.640 said oh my gosh you don't live in the van too that would have been a possibility yeah definitely well
00:01:18.520 Well, I wasn't going to be making any money.
00:01:20.180 I'd be living in the van.
00:01:26.820 Tammy Peterson slash my mother.
00:01:28.820 Welcome to my podcast.
00:01:30.300 Thank you.
00:01:31.240 What are we talking about, man?
00:01:32.640 We are talking about, I took a bunch of questions online.
00:01:35.640 We're talking about parenting, marriage, a little bit about dad, faith, and then there's
00:01:42.460 another category.
00:01:43.660 All right.
00:01:44.440 Yeah.
00:01:44.860 Okay.
00:01:45.300 And welcome to Moving to America.
00:01:47.720 Why?
00:01:48.060 Thank you.
00:01:48.520 I really enjoy it here, especially because you're here, but I really enjoy the weather
00:01:53.580 as well.
00:01:54.220 And the house is very nice and it's easy.
00:01:58.360 It kind of reminds me of Alberta, except for it's much, much warmer, but it's just as sunny
00:02:02.640 and I like the sun.
00:02:04.260 Yeah.
00:02:04.980 It's pretty nice.
00:02:06.120 Every time I fly anywhere that isn't Arizona, I get there.
00:02:10.500 I'm like, oh, there's a cloud.
00:02:13.000 Clouds getting me down.
00:02:14.360 Okay. Well, let's jump right in. Um, what category should we start with? Let's start
00:02:23.440 with parenting, marriage, relationship. Okay. That, that category. Are you ready? I'm ready.
00:02:30.900 Uh, what do you think the right amount of kids is to have? As many as God will give you.
00:02:36.500 like 12 what i've seen people who've had that many kids and i don't know if it's their diet
00:02:48.540 or the number of kids they've had but they look like ruined so so maybe not so maybe not 12 but
00:02:56.160 i don't know you know maybe well you interviewed someone yesterday that said if you go on the
00:03:00.700 carnivore diet you're fertile again so who knows how much diet has to do with it maybe you could
00:03:05.800 have as many kids as you wanted if you're on a very restricted carb diet. So there's some food
00:03:13.260 questions in here too. Well, the thing is, you know, kids, they need one another. They really
00:03:19.720 do. You know, it's, you've had one child for a very long time and now you have two. Isn't the
00:03:25.120 dynamic different already? And he's only one year old. I also felt bad the whole, like,
00:03:30.740 I feel like you kind of feel, maybe not everybody feels bad, but I felt bad having like a little
00:03:35.780 kid and they have nobody to play with and it's like oh yeah that's sad yeah that's right and my
00:03:41.500 siblings were quite a bit older than me five seven and eight years older than me but that didn't
00:03:48.640 matter they were my siblings and I was happy to have them there you know they were teenagers I
00:03:53.600 didn't go with them on their teenage adventures I was with my mom and dad then you know going around
00:04:00.060 the golf course with them mostly. But now later in life, my parents are gone. Who do I have? I have
00:04:08.540 my siblings. So yeah, have some kids for goodness sake. And you know, when my dad died, your little
00:04:16.540 boy was born on the same day. That's how it should be. Life out, life in. And I think that day it
00:04:24.960 just struck me. It was like, Oh my goodness. If people were having kids naturally, like we used
00:04:32.180 to have kids. And I know that's asking a lot, but if they were, um, it would be someone would die
00:04:39.780 and someone would be born. And so you have, you can have grief and joy in the same day. That's
00:04:47.100 amazing. It's a good point. It definitely takes the, some of the burn away. Yeah, that's right.
00:04:53.140 so i don't know and you know i know people who've uh i know one woman who went through ivf twice to
00:05:01.840 have two kids i don't know how many times she went through it actually but she had two kids
00:05:06.440 and she said it was grueling uh not just physically but also emotionally for her and her husband
00:05:12.800 and uh so i told her yesterday that this doctor dr kilts kilts said that if you go on a carnivore
00:05:21.100 diet, you may become fertile again. So I told her that she said her sister went on carnivore
00:05:27.040 and got pregnant. Wow. Wow. That's remarkable. I know it doesn't, I think it doesn't surprise
00:05:33.740 me anymore because I know how much it like eliminates autoimmunity for the most part,
00:05:38.900 a psychiatric illness. And you'd, so I just like disease as a whole inflammation as a whole
00:05:44.620 manifests in different ways in different people. No wonder it can manifest in infertility. It's
00:05:49.400 not, there's not something we should be suffering from, right? Well, it's not inconceivable, but
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00:07:34.640 enjoy the rest of the podcast if you were to parent all over again would you homeschool or
00:07:41.360 what would you do differently i asked jordan that yesterday because he said when julian came home
00:07:45.840 when he was 10 and i asked jord how old he was he was 10 jord said what how come your marks aren't
00:07:52.780 great he said hey i do all right for a boy what yeah oh my gosh and i said why didn't you say
00:08:01.920 tammy homeschool these kids and he said oh they did all right in school i hated school school
00:08:09.500 sucked i hated school too i used to count the dots on the ceiling like you know like yeah a thousand
00:08:15.980 dots per tile like one two three oh this many by that many oh my gosh that's terrible yeah yeah
00:08:25.220 no homeschooling oh i think it'd be a great adventure actually that's what i think i think
00:08:30.020 it'd be a great adventure i'd love to see what uh my kids are like and to foster what they're
00:08:37.100 interested in I think that would be a blast so I would do yes I would probably well the thing is
00:08:44.000 you know we traveled quite a bit not very much but not like we do now but we traveled and we took
00:08:49.860 you guys with us so we didn't we didn't try to lock you into your school and and not have you
00:08:58.320 live if we were going to go to New York or something we thought hey that's a learning
00:09:02.360 experience or yeah we're going to see grandma and grandpa and we're going to Mexico it's like yes
00:09:07.560 you know why wouldn't we do that with our family one but also a different culture why that that's
00:09:14.120 informative like there's lots of ways to educate your kids it doesn't all have to be school work
00:09:20.740 and so if you're homeschooling it's it's wide open apparently I think it's something like
00:09:28.140 it takes an hour or two hours a day to teach your kids what they learn. That's what I've heard too.
00:09:33.880 Most of it's daycare really. Yeah. I don't know if homeschooling would have made a huge difference
00:09:38.180 to me, to be honest, cause I still read what I was interested in. So it's not like it stopped
00:09:42.520 me from learning what I wanted to learn. Uh, it might've stopped me from hanging out with
00:09:49.280 troubled children. Yeah. Who I always found more interesting than the regular children.
00:09:53.960 yeah uh but who knows it might not have what do you think about i have to ask you a little
00:09:59.380 question what do you think about social media how old were you when uh facebook yeah when any of
00:10:06.080 that came about well there was msn so that was like instant messaging in grade seven
00:10:13.540 which was fascinating but it was only on the computer because we didn't have phones
00:10:19.260 i mean that was troublesome by itself just that why uh because you talk about things online that
00:10:27.860 you would never bring up in person yeah right interesting so it was so you'd be more uh brave
00:10:33.940 you'd be braver on yeah all you have to do is press enter and it's sent and then like you can
00:10:39.300 see what happens yeah yeah so that came around in grade seven and then facebook i think came
00:10:44.020 around when i was in high school but i didn't get it for a couple of years i think i got it in grade
00:10:48.420 11 and that's also when i got a phone and then instagram i think was university so i didn't
00:10:54.200 really have oh no we had facebook in high school because there was honesty box which was a disaster
00:10:59.860 they removed honesty box honesty box for anyone who doesn't know was any one of your friends could
00:11:07.260 submit something anonymously to your honesty box which as a high school i remember you suffered
00:11:12.820 with that yeah yeah i had some enemies in high school as everybody does really i think people
00:11:21.480 didn't like that i was uh blunt you were outspoken yeah yeah yeah well that'll get you in trouble
00:11:30.500 yeah but that's okay that's right uh let's see
00:11:37.420 why are mother-daughter relationships so hard and how has ours changed through the years
00:11:45.780 mother and daughter relationships hard uh i think some mother and daughter relationships
00:11:53.540 would be hard and some wouldn't be what would make it better and what would make it worse
00:11:57.280 i got along with my mom but we weren't close because she wasn't very good at demonstrating
00:12:04.820 love you know what I mean so although I knew she was on my side I knew that she would always back
00:12:13.500 me in anything I did so I felt secure that way and that's necessary but I didn't really feel
00:12:21.940 nurtured and loved kind of that kind of feeling that you might get from a very good mother Jordan
00:12:27.420 had a very good mother who's very hospitable person and also very well read and extroverted
00:12:36.100 interested in communication and stuff so she was I was lucky to marry George because his mom was
00:12:43.440 not just because of him but his mom was great so was his dad I loved his dad his dad taught me
00:12:49.240 grade six and he taught me he taught me yeah he took an interest in me and he saw potential and
00:13:00.100 he gave me uh you know books to read that were things that I wouldn't have found on my own like
00:13:10.080 Hiroshima in grade six you know that woke me up that would wake you up right yeah so he was he
00:13:16.860 was great and he was graceful. He was a graceful man. I told Jordan yesterday his dad was graceful
00:13:23.640 and he said, was he? So I think women see men differently than men see men. And so I could see
00:13:33.320 in his dad that he was graceful. They used to live across the street and I'd see him get into
00:13:38.860 his car and he always, always dressed very nicely because like Jordan wears a suit. His dad wore a
00:13:44.380 suit he was a grade six teacher he wore a suit so that came from when jord was a lad that he learned
00:13:51.340 all of that and i would see him get in his car and he looked so competent you know and so i looked up
00:13:59.120 to him from the time i was a little kid so i told jordan i think i loved your dad before i loved you
00:14:04.960 which is pretty cool that i knew him that long so the relationships between a mother and a daughter
00:14:14.300 god you want to be you want to have your mom on your side because mothers are fierce defenders
00:14:25.180 they're not fierce offensively but they're fierce defensively and so mom can moms can really be
00:14:33.480 that person for you they can they can make sure the backstop is solid and so you don't you're not
00:14:40.280 going to, you're not going to fall off the edge. You're going to persevere and, and you're going
00:14:46.000 to, you're going to survive because the mums, you know, they're, they're the nurturing side of
00:14:52.120 things. I was talking this morning, I went to church and we were talking about the, uh, there's
00:14:57.800 a story in the Bible about the, uh, scarlet beast, the scarlet beast and the whore of Babylon.
00:15:05.840 and once I got Jordan focused on church because he was in there thinking about something and I
00:15:13.480 was like you know if you sing it's really it's good it shows the glory of God and anyway he
00:15:18.600 started singing and pretty soon he started listening and then he started thinking about
00:15:22.700 scripture so afterwards he talked to me a little bit and he said it's so interesting so if you're
00:15:28.500 at home, if you're at home with your mom and your dad, and your mom or your dad is
00:15:34.000 attending to the children, you're attending to the children, you're listening to their,
00:15:41.280 see what they're interested in, playing with them, minding them, and being present.
00:15:48.640 Or you're working, you've brought business home, and that takes precedent over the children,
00:15:55.060 and there is nobody there that's present with the kids that's not a good scenario because it's
00:16:02.140 supposed to be a nurturing environment whereas at work work is supposed to be a place of
00:16:09.680 excellence and and competition yeah it's not the same it's not the same place and so you know if
00:16:19.240 you think yeah you know you could see at home that you that nurturing has to be the um over
00:16:26.000 arching value in the in the home that you know fostering fruitfulness in your kids but at work
00:16:34.800 it's not that and if you bring that into the workplace you dumb down the enterprise and we
00:16:43.780 are suffering from that because we have brought people into the workplace who don't realize
00:16:52.320 that they've brought family values from the home into the workplace and that is destructive
00:17:00.360 interesting yeah i mean that's that's definitely true it's not interesting i was talking to
00:17:07.380 my jordan the other day because i think one of the you know i've worked from home i've all like
00:17:13.080 since I had Scarlett, I've been doing online work. So it's always from home. So I have this
00:17:19.740 weird, so when Scarlett was about a year old, I got a nanny who was there like nine to five during
00:17:25.080 the week. And I had this weird situation where I was at home and there's a, like a baby there.
00:17:32.400 She was like a, she was over a year at this point anyway. And so I used to go to a cafe to work
00:17:37.540 because I, like, I couldn't do it at home in the same environment. And then this year with George,
00:17:42.980 it gets easier when, when they get older, obviously. Um, this year with George, it was
00:17:46.980 the same thing. It was hard because I work all the time. I was like, we need to be able to shift
00:17:52.580 from work mode to home mode, but we're always in the home. It's like, I think it's torturing me a
00:17:59.480 little bit. Like I was wondering, I'm really grateful to be able to work from home for sure.
00:18:04.320 For sure. Cause it's really easy. There's no commute time. Like there are so many good things
00:18:10.280 about working from home. But then when there are kids there, I don't know if I like that.
00:18:16.020 I think it would be better. I don't know if it's even good for, I was thinking it's better for the
00:18:20.520 kids because then I'm always there. If they fall or something, then they can come see me. And I've,
00:18:25.980 I've liked that. So it was like, that's the positive is you're always there. Like when dad
00:18:30.300 was working in his office, he was at home. It didn't feel like he was at work, but I'm,
00:18:37.660 but I don't know we didn't bother him though I didn't we weren't allowed we were not allowed
00:18:41.900 to go into the office oh yeah did you learn that oh yeah oh I don't even don't go bug your dad type
00:18:47.660 of thing I don't know if that was you saying it or if dad's saying it I can't remember but like
00:18:51.820 I don't remember if he was working in work mode we couldn't go in there but I think it was kind
00:18:56.300 of nice that he was at home so I'm not I'm not really sure how to think about it maybe it's just
00:19:00.480 like guilting me but better what do you think well or would it be better to like go out from
00:19:08.400 nine to five or something i don't think that's necessary i don't think i just see i worked from
00:19:16.120 home too though i had a massage therapy practice yeah in my like room yeah so although i would not
00:19:23.240 be present for an hour while I was with a client. I was there otherwise. And alone time for kids is
00:19:34.200 good, right? Because they learn to amuse themselves. They learn to amuse themselves. They have to learn
00:19:40.520 how to be with themselves and be okay with that. So that's also something kids have to learn.
00:19:49.020 So I think for short periods of time, I don't think for an eight hour, like eight hours
00:19:55.020 of no contact is worse, right?
00:19:57.600 I don't think that's very good.
00:19:59.160 Okay.
00:19:59.520 Okay.
00:19:59.780 I think that would be confusing.
00:20:03.360 Okay.
00:20:04.180 Right.
00:20:04.480 Because you're there and you're not there.
00:20:06.660 That'd kind of be confusing, I think.
00:20:08.620 Well, that's what I've thought.
00:20:09.800 I've been like, thank goodness I can work from home because then I, I'm always kind
00:20:12.840 of here.
00:20:13.280 Like if Scarlett ever has a problem, she just comes and gets me unless I'm in a podcast
00:20:17.560 or a meeting.
00:20:18.780 but like most of the time I'm working, I'm not doing that.
00:20:21.200 But those are for an hour at a time, kind of.
00:20:24.020 Yeah.
00:20:24.480 Or maybe, maybe, maybe an hour and a half or two.
00:20:27.320 Maybe.
00:20:27.900 Maybe.
00:20:28.780 Yeah.
00:20:29.640 Okay.
00:20:30.420 So I think that's okay, actually.
00:20:32.920 Okay.
00:20:33.460 That might just be from having a, like a little baby.
00:20:36.020 And then whenever I'm not, you know, available with a podcast or something,
00:20:39.260 I'm like a little bit of underlying guilt, which I think is unnecessary.
00:20:42.460 I think that's just mom guilt.
00:20:44.240 I've always had like some level of mom guilt from working.
00:20:47.700 I know I would I would destroy myself if I wasn't able to work when I was when you guys were young
00:20:53.500 I would set up an easel and draw portraits in the kitchen or in the dining room you were around
00:21:02.600 I don't know if you remember that it was a very long time ago but I was there but I still did
00:21:08.520 and I had to do the work that I had to do otherwise I was too creative not to do some work
00:21:15.980 right I was too creative um I don't know how it would be for a conservative person
00:21:20.840 maybe it may be it'll be a little easier but I'm not certain because I'm not conservative so I don't
00:21:26.680 know I don't know either I think there might be some people who can actually
00:21:31.320 um well you have one friend who's a mom who stays home and she's very happy right
00:21:37.300 yeah but I mean the first first like year she was also very isolated you know that's when I
00:21:44.760 moved away from toronto this is my best friend she had kids none of her oh some of her friends
00:21:49.500 actually at that point did have kids so she wasn't like when i had scarlet i was 24 25 and i was like
00:21:56.200 10 years younger than everybody i knew but she had kids she was still very isolated it was very hard
00:22:01.680 for her the first couple of years but she does really like it and she wants to homeschool and
00:22:05.760 things so she she does like she does really like it yeah is she a more conservative person not
00:22:10.780 really no no but she's like super agreeable well the thing is homeschooling is creative
00:22:16.680 she's super agree oh that's true yeah yeah i'm disagreeable yeah that's true yeah so i so part
00:22:24.580 of the need for time to pursue what i want is my uh need for
00:22:33.120 my creative expression to to be present even though even though those kids are there
00:22:44.080 i could put away some time for myself i don't think there's anything wrong with that i think
00:22:52.380 the worst case scenario is having a mom that's resentful that they weren't able to do things
00:22:56.500 they needed to do because they needed to have three hours of time to themselves per day and
00:23:01.960 they didn't get it i'm under for single parents oh my gosh i imagine that's a real challenge
00:23:07.160 because it's because you got to share the burden at home it's too much burden for one person
00:23:16.760 it's a big it's it's almost too much burden for one person in a relationship if you're a stay-at-home
00:23:24.860 mom and the dad works all the time yeah because that's still kind of like kind of alone depending
00:23:29.220 on the relationship it's a lot like people need communities and if they can't get communities
00:23:34.300 they need help with kids yeah well I stayed home I stayed home with you guys and um I ended up we
00:23:42.300 moved to Boston and I got to know the ladies in the neighborhood and uh we went on outings with
00:23:47.800 our kids and those other mothers were at home too but once they went back to work then I was in a
00:23:53.740 book club with them and i so i stayed in contact with them and our families knew one another and
00:23:59.180 so that's how i dealt with being that's partly how i dealt with being at home and isolated was i
00:24:05.400 unisolated myself by getting to know other people and setting weekly uh excursions with other
00:24:15.040 families that makes sense yeah that helped a lot because i didn't i didn't have care in the home
00:24:21.200 or anything so I was and my husband worked not only in the day but in the evenings so I was alone
00:24:28.940 much of the time but I like being outside so I played outside with you guys a lot
00:24:35.620 and we had a duck pond not very far away that we would go to and the kids in the neighborhood were
00:24:43.600 close by and it was very quiet streets so it was pretty safe it's pretty nice setup yeah it was
00:24:49.620 it was how has jordan become more attractive over time well he went on the carnivore diet and lost
00:24:56.400 like 50 pounds i used to say to him where's your skeleton i'd poke him where's your skeleton because
00:25:02.520 he had been such a thin young man and i had known him all those years and then he started gaining
00:25:08.220 weight and i was like wait a minute this isn't the guy i married like what are you doing right
00:25:13.400 what's happening to you what are you doing i'm sure he enjoyed that well i am i am a massage
00:25:18.260 therapist right with a you know with a good foundation in anatomy so for me to say where's
00:25:25.420 your skeleton made sense I would say yeah no it's not only that though so he's so he's healthy I mean
00:25:34.160 he was not just overweight he had terrible GERD GERD gastric reflux oh my goodness he was so
00:25:41.340 uncomfortable um and he's depressed right so he had depression he was on antidepressants he was
00:25:48.360 doing whatever he could he didn't exercise very much a little bit but maybe he didn't feel like
00:25:53.540 it so yeah you know so who knows about that but now he's energetic he sleeps better he wakes up
00:26:01.700 better he never used to wake up yeah right even from a nap he'd have to go shower to get himself
00:26:07.120 awake because he would be foggy brained and everything it was those are a guy that was
00:26:13.080 like that happens when you're depressed but those are antidepressants too super sedating
00:26:17.880 i see super sedating i didn't realize how sedating they were until i came off of them i was like
00:26:23.220 oh that's a side effect right you know it feels when you first start taking them it feels like
00:26:27.900 you relax but it's kind of like when you take benadryl and you're like ah and then that's kind
00:26:32.800 a low level all the time they're super sedating they also make you hungry yes they make you hungry
00:26:37.900 for carbs or just like i think i mean carbs for sure yeah i think i was just hungry period like
00:26:45.900 i couldn't get full i think that was partly from eating such a like a high regular high carb diet
00:26:51.140 yeah too but not taking antidepressants really helped with not being famished all the time too
00:26:56.580 you have to put these things on giant warnings on the outside impossible to come off of that's
00:27:02.020 causes the feeling of starvation and you might be asleep all the time yeah because he used to nap
00:27:08.200 i remember he would he would go to work all day he'd come home eat nap and then go back to work
00:27:14.120 but he couldn't do it without a nap and that might have been the uh antidepressants who knows
00:27:19.260 yeah it's like a mix of all these things the mold in our house yeah right everything there's so many
00:27:24.840 yeah we built this house and we we took out everything it was just down to the
00:27:30.520 two by fours really and then we rebuilt it and really not very long after we had we dug down
00:27:38.760 the basement i mean we finished it and we finished the basement it was all finished
00:27:42.140 it was beautiful and uh the plumber had made a mess of the of the sewer pipe
00:27:53.400 and it backed up you and then but we were on our way somewhere so i had insurance come
00:28:01.300 they evaluated it they redid everything but not everything not quite everything
00:28:09.480 because it had come to the walls and so then the mold went up the walls and all they replaced was
00:28:16.500 the floor and so then when I renovated it again long after you'd left home yeah they realized
00:28:24.460 there was black mold in the walls that's crazy I know god what a what a disaster you know and
00:28:30.640 the thing is we had we had called for help and we had had people that we trusted
00:28:36.980 couldn't have trusted them but we trusted them anyway and they told us what the problem was
00:28:44.060 and they told us they could fix it and we believed them i wouldn't do that anymore yeah i wouldn't do
00:28:51.340 that anymore you can't trust any there's very few people who and get second third opinions but we
00:28:58.660 did we had lots of opinions i don't know it's very very difficult you really have to be interested
00:29:03.980 in your house and your family you really have to be interested you have to take it super seriously
00:29:10.720 Yeah. You have to know, especially with water damage, you have to know, like, this is going to cause someone in my family to get very sick. Yeah. You know, and people didn't know that. No. People still don't know it, but they're starting to know more, but people still don't know. It's just very sad. Yeah.
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00:30:40.220 thing you've observed while parenting a female versus a male child or observable differences.
00:30:46.260 we were pretty different yeah i mean just as babies to start with babies you would crawl
00:30:55.280 around on the floor and you'd go towards say a cord or something i'd say no and you'd stop
00:31:00.620 whereas julian would say well what about over here what what about this maybe i could go to
00:31:07.940 left maybe i could go to the right uh what about this cord this is a different cord what about
00:31:12.800 that chord, you know, and it was, and he was relentless. He was relentless like that. And so
00:31:18.800 I don't know how much you sat on the steps to be, you know, I don't remember. I remember sitting on
00:31:25.320 the steps. We would sit on the steps when we got in trouble. That was one of the punishments go
00:31:29.940 sit on the stairs. Uh, I remember sitting on the stairs like twice, you know? Um, but I remember
00:31:37.460 Julian sitting on the stairs all the time, all the time. Yeah. And he would, we would count
00:31:42.700 to 10 he would have to go sit on the stairs and he would stomp his feet and say don't count as we
00:31:49.320 but he would be stomping over to the stairs like he would be doing this but he didn't want to he's
00:31:56.220 a pretty disagreeable person right so it was against his better judgment to listen to us when
00:32:01.820 he had other plans but he did it and then he had to sit there until he wanted to have a good day
00:32:07.640 which was good that's such a funny punishment well yeah kids also know you can tell on a level
00:32:14.680 like i do this for scarlet too it's like you have to go to your room i don't she's not doesn't get
00:32:19.360 in trouble very often but like you have to go to your room you're beat you like know that you're
00:32:23.720 being a brat you can come out of your room and her room's full of toys it's not really a place
00:32:27.700 not like the stairs or a corner it's like i hung out my room all the time like anyway and she can
00:32:34.460 come out when she wants to be good again which takes like two minutes it doesn't take very long
00:32:40.280 but we'd say to julian are you ready to get off the stairs no you'd say i'm not ready or he'd say
00:32:45.180 yes and it was like no you're not quite ready you had to you had to it was like you had to re
00:32:52.200 come you had to have a re-evaluation of your intention and you could see it on their faces
00:33:00.560 when they did that they're like willing then they become willing to have a good day and let go of
00:33:07.400 whatever it is they were upset about yeah that's funny i feel like when we grew up though i became
00:33:15.420 more relentless i wonder if that's something learned though what do you think what's that
00:33:21.940 just as a personality trait being relentless or like determined or determined i think it's
00:33:28.220 personality trait because really literally when you were a little girl we didn't have any you
00:33:37.520 were delightful we didn't have any arguments no it's true you were and you're not ridiculously
00:33:44.900 agreeable so it isn't just it isn't just personality it's also gender it's also whether
00:33:53.040 you were or sex differences that you were a girl and he was a boy there's a difference
00:33:57.480 between those two i think because even even as julian hadn't been that disagreeable now when i
00:34:05.960 see little boys i expect them to be more confrontational than a girl although julian's
00:34:16.800 little girl now she's pretty confrontational this is true and so i think she has a personality
00:34:23.480 that's more disagreeable than, than the majority of women. And so she's a challenge, but she's also
00:34:30.680 going to be, if she's formidable. Yeah. If she's going to be disciplined correctly so that she's
00:34:38.020 nurtured for what's beautiful, but, um, made aware of what is undesirable, uh, she's going to be a
00:34:49.000 great person i think she'll be a great person yeah me too george is definitely different than
00:34:56.260 scarlet i mean for a number of reasons but he's like he ignores everything like no don't go over
00:35:02.160 there he's too little to like know that that no means no yeah but he kind of knows starting now
00:35:07.620 and he'll just turn around look at you and cackle and scarlet would just like like instantly not
00:35:14.660 doing. I didn't have to baby proof the house. I didn't put anything on the cupboards. I was like,
00:35:20.080 I had a hard time and it was isolating. And there were many things going on that weren't ideal,
00:35:26.940 but for her as a baby, other than sleeping through the night, she was so easy.
00:35:33.360 Like I didn't baby proof anything. She never fell off of anything. I don't think she fell down until
00:35:39.320 she was four like she just didn't she didn't pull herself up on things which i think is like
00:35:46.740 they say that's a milestone but she waited until she knew she could and then she did it and she
00:35:53.600 just never stumbled or anything it was really easy and george is like oh my gosh he was in the
00:35:59.860 dishwasher the other day it was like where's george why is it quiet in the dishwasher yeah
00:36:05.820 Yeah. Or, and he beelines towards anything that has a cord. So he's always like, let me into the
00:36:10.220 podcast room. Oh yeah. Yeah. It's pretty funny. It's really funny though. Oh yeah. But it's
00:36:14.900 completely different. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it is. It's completely different. It's definitely
00:36:19.880 completely different. Okay. Let's touch on diet. Have you managed to vary your diet or
00:36:27.240 reintroduce anything? Nope. No, no. That's a short answer to that question. Well, you know,
00:36:34.160 people have lives and i'm in my 60s now and so i've had i've had you know trouble with my diet
00:36:44.120 my whole life really like even from the time my first memories of a stomach ache when i was a
00:36:49.320 little kid so i've always had trouble and um you know i have arthritis and i probably have celiac
00:36:56.800 disease because we looked at my genetics and i do and so there's reasons that i can't
00:37:01.680 put anything back in my diet there's reasons and but you know we found uh what are those
00:37:12.540 blue bags of carnivore crisps oh pc jerky those things if you chop them up not super fine i mean
00:37:20.780 don't get ocd about it but break them into little half inch cubes and then after you finish cooking
00:37:30.180 your steak, put them in the air fryer, just in the fat that's on the bottom and cook them for
00:37:35.380 like a minute and a half and then put those on your steak. It's a totally different experience.
00:37:41.820 It's crunchy. People should try this. It is. I'm going to have to make a video about it.
00:37:47.240 Yeah, you should. Yeah. I think it's, I don't want to eat any other way anymore.
00:37:52.440 I want my crunchy things. You know, you know how you can make that even easier.
00:37:56.640 what so i've just managed to make things that you just take the bag of pc jerky and just crunch it
00:38:02.720 up a bunch oh yeah yeah oh yeah that'd be that's probably you don't even have to take it out and
00:38:08.020 chop it you just like crunch crunch crunch crunch crunch crunch and pour it in there if you want to
00:38:11.520 get rid of a bit of aggression you can just crunch up those things uh that's funny oh someone asked
00:38:21.000 can you join PA social and observe what's going on there? Who, me? Yeah. You sure. I'd be happy
00:38:28.680 to. It's pretty fun. Yeah. Yeah. Sure. I'd be happy to. We just rolled out like the social
00:38:34.780 media platform keeps expanding. So now you can sort by new posts, people you follow and popular
00:38:40.980 posts. So that was very exciting. Yeah. Every little tiny incremental change is like kind of a
00:38:46.680 huge dev project. So each change is fun. We just rolled that out. It's like a real social media
00:38:53.920 platform. Oh, good. You should come join. Yeah. People would love it. Do you always travel along
00:39:00.900 for dad's shows? The shows? Yes. You know, the, the book tour shows? Yes. But other than that,
00:39:09.980 I'm not obliged to be, to go out to anything. I don't want to go to the events, the paid events
00:39:15.360 that aren't part of the tour oh he he's he's got paid events all the time that are corporate events
00:39:21.100 and things like that I can go if I want he invites me but I don't have to go and so I have to go to
00:39:29.020 the tour shows I have I have committed that I have committed so yes you know yes and but it's my own
00:39:37.600 commitment. Yeah. And I'm a, I'm a, I've always done what I said I would do. I'm a conscientious
00:39:48.060 person. Yeah. And so I've made that commitment to myself. And once I've made a commitment,
00:39:53.560 I pretty much stick with it. It's simpler that way. And so, but then when Jordan is going to
00:40:00.800 other things, you know, I need my alone time. Since I've been sick, I need to make sure I don't
00:40:08.520 get overtired. So I have to be aware of that. And also, if I'm either in Canada, in Toronto, or here,
00:40:18.940 I can always visit with you guys and with my grandkids. And that's very important to me.
00:40:25.280 And so, so if I can say no to something, if he can't convince me, he convinces me all
00:40:33.740 like often, I'm a sucker, I think, but, uh, I don't have to go, but some, I often choose
00:40:42.120 to go.
00:40:42.760 Yeah, I do.
00:40:43.700 Yeah.
00:40:44.240 And I've always wanted, like, what did I want when I was 18?
00:40:47.280 I wanted a van to drive around the world.
00:40:50.180 Oh, you did?
00:40:51.060 With my baby.
00:40:52.160 Okay.
00:40:52.500 Well, and now I travel around the world with my baby.
00:40:55.280 Yeah.
00:40:56.520 I didn't know it was going to be grown man.
00:40:58.720 Yeah.
00:41:00.900 I suppose you didn't know it was going to be around the world too.
00:41:04.540 Yeah, right.
00:41:05.180 But that is all I wanted when I was 18.
00:41:07.240 That's such a hippie thing to do.
00:41:08.640 I know.
00:41:09.140 I was such a hippie.
00:41:09.880 Oh my gosh.
00:41:10.300 I wanted to travel.
00:41:11.400 I just wanted to travel.
00:41:12.680 You don't live in the van too?
00:41:15.440 Was that the plan?
00:41:16.240 I don't remember it going that far, but that would, that would have been a possibility.
00:41:21.020 Yeah, definitely.
00:41:22.540 Well, I wasn't going to be making any money.
00:41:24.280 I'd be living in the van. Oh, that's funny. This is an interesting question. I'd like to know your
00:41:33.120 answer to this. What was the hardest non-medical thing you saw me go through? Non-medical thing.
00:41:41.960 I think of you falling off that big rock. I know. Does that count as medical? No. I felt when I was
00:41:48.340 18, I had just got out of a walking cast after my ankle replacement, which took like three and a
00:41:56.720 half months to heal, got infected, like was installed crooked. It was just a mess. And I
00:42:02.240 finally, after a year of really not being able to walk, I was like limping. I was still walking
00:42:07.600 because I was like, I'm not using a cane, but I was like dragging myself around after a year
00:42:11.880 of not being able to walk I was like I can walk again and immediately convinced somebody at my
00:42:19.020 school to climb this statue this was also I was like how tall was that statue
00:42:23.380 20 feet and it was like stone concrete on the bottom um and I think part of like part of it
00:42:34.360 was that I was 18 part of it was I was on a whole bunch of drugs yes I just stopped taking
00:42:39.100 Oxycontin after a year and I was still in Oxycontin withdrawal, like I was not there. I couldn't
00:42:44.360 remember anything when I raised my hand, like I was not there. So I just wasn't thinking. And I
00:42:49.980 also think when you're on antidepressants, because this explains some of my decisions, I don't think
00:42:54.940 it was just from being a teenager. Uh, I think the part of your brain that focuses on fear is dampened
00:43:02.240 down, which I like, I think is just what antidepressants do. They stop you from being
00:43:07.140 like in a state of terror all the time. But then when there are things that should scare you,
00:43:12.080 I think that fears dampened down. So I climbed up all the way, any sane person. I literally had my
00:43:20.280 phone in my, all the way up. Yeah. All the way up with a fake hip and a fake ankle that had just,
00:43:25.260 and I had my phone in my back pocket in case I had to call the fire department in case I couldn't
00:43:30.060 get down. So I could think that far ahead. But then I was like, I was with a friend and I was
00:43:33.760 like oh i'm not gonna not get down and i did get down just a little too quickly um yeah you fell
00:43:39.860 right from the top did you no i i was hanging on to the top and and my hand slipped oh i can
00:43:46.720 remember falling yet luckily i landed on my hip replacement side but on my bum and and then hit
00:43:52.380 my head oh and i i woke up my friend just got down i don't know yeah he managed to figure it
00:43:59.340 out. Is it watching? He was probably like, Michaela just died. So that was enough to be
00:44:03.780 like, I got to figure out how to get down right now. Um, woke up, called you guys. I was like,
00:44:08.400 I'm going to throw up sour keys. Cause all I'd eaten all day, all day when my friends worked
00:44:15.220 at a candy shop and had bought me, I was like, I really liked sour keys had bought me a bag of
00:44:19.740 sour keys. They were really squishy. They weren't like the stale ones. So all I'd eaten all day
00:44:24.040 were sour cheese that's awful and then yeah had a seizure on the way to the hospital i think you
00:44:30.020 called us from the hospital i called you no when i was we called the ambulance like my friend went
00:44:35.460 to like call an ambulance uh and then i called you and you said hi mom and dad i'm all right
00:44:44.380 but i just fell off a 20 foot i didn't tell you i just said i just fell oh you we knew that you
00:44:52.380 we knew that you'd fallen off something significant. I said, I just, I'm just going
00:44:56.840 to get it checked out. I'm fine. And I talked to dad. So I called dad cause he was working from
00:45:02.180 home. I said, yeah, I fell. I'm going to go to the hospital and get it checked out. I'm okay.
00:45:07.260 Had a seizure on the way to the hospital. Mom shows up in the hospital. I have a neck brace on
00:45:12.620 and my pink tank top is completely covered in blood. I'm so sorry. And then you wanted to
00:45:19.100 murder my friend and i was like he literally had nothing to do like nothing i'm pretty sure he said
00:45:25.180 it was a bad idea like this was me being like oh you scared yeah right scared you're gonna die
00:45:31.420 oh i just remembered that two days ago i was thinking about it a flashback yeah sorry that
00:45:42.080 must have been concerning my neck still do you hear that yeah that's from that fall you know
00:45:47.760 that low level light therapy that laser that you have yeah you know i had a hidden head injury when
00:45:56.380 i was 17 right i was playing baseball wasn't wearing a helmet hit the ball went around the
00:46:01.940 bases and when i passed home base and i i went over home base and then went back to the backstop
00:46:08.420 whoever was throwing the ball home to the back catcher threw it wild and hit me right in the
00:46:15.260 temple and not throw it that wild well yeah really how how do you anyway because i just turned around
00:46:23.440 and it just was like wham and i was out for 10 minutes oh my gosh yeah like everybody was off
00:46:30.760 the field even the opposition like everybody was kind of twiddling their thumbs sitting on the
00:46:36.640 on the bleachers when i woke up and i was like oh dear this is going to bite me and so like i've had
00:46:44.380 a lot of chronic pain since then i no longer have any chronic pain i got traction on my neck
00:46:49.820 eventually that really really helped because it it was compressed some right so i needed some
00:46:54.720 contraction traction might help you yeah maybe mine was like i landed you know on my side and
00:47:01.400 then went wham so it was right in the back so like it's not quite whiplash but like something
00:47:07.540 like that that'd be a whiplash that'd be whiplash yeah it wasn't forward it was backwards yeah it
00:47:12.320 doesn't matter your brain just moves and then you got whiplash and but it's it's really the
00:47:17.720 the vertebrae's mine was five six c five six so almost to the thoracic vertebrae it was quite low
00:47:27.460 i don't know where yours was i feel like they're right underneath the skull yeah and so traction
00:47:33.380 might might be very helpful to you that might be something to do but also that laser uh bioflex
00:47:40.920 laser that you bought that is red and infrared light that I think I used that a lot on my neck
00:47:50.140 because I thought I am going to eventually suffer because I did this when I was young and I don't
00:47:56.140 want to suffer that way I know I'll suffer some way but I'm going to try to not suffer this way
00:48:00.860 and so I've lasered my neck a lot I have no chronic pain anymore none yay yeah so
00:48:10.240 there's hope yeah well it doesn't like it doesn't hurt it just cracks yeah
00:48:16.920 i know where you can go to get traction okay i'll do that there's a guy here right okay
00:48:24.040 what parts of motherhood did you find the most challenging
00:48:28.760 well let's see motherhood's challenging it is challenging what's challenging about it
00:48:40.120 ah well once your kids are grown you have to trust them but they know what they're doing
00:48:46.340 that's challenging um it takes faith to allow your children to grow up and leave home and become
00:49:00.300 responsible citizens it takes takes faith to do that and i would say that my faith is much
00:49:08.640 stronger now that i'm older so i may have suffered some because i didn't have enough faith yeah when
00:49:16.760 i was a mother no wonder right but what was the most challenging i loved being a mom what was most
00:49:24.200 challenging oh you know i sleep deprived when you guys were when i was first having babies that's
00:49:30.040 pretty challenging uh but i really didn't mind that you know you guys would peep at night and
00:49:35.420 I'd get up, I'd get up and go nurse you. Well, it's, it's funny as a woman
00:49:41.360 because I just don't think men have this. Like I, I really do badly with, with little sleep.
00:49:49.500 I need quite a bit of sleep, even on the diet and things like I, if I get broken sleep at night,
00:49:55.800 I'm re I really, it really, I'm not a nice person to be around the next day and there's nothing I
00:50:01.860 can't nap and make up for it. Um, but when you have a baby, it's like, as soon as they make a
00:50:07.500 peep, it's like, okay, I'm awake. You're not like if Jordan wakes me up, it's a different story.
00:50:13.660 Then that is a different situation. But if a baby wakes me up, I'm like, okay,
00:50:18.420 baby needs to wake up. Yeah. If a baby cries, the mom wakes up. If there's a sound outside the
00:50:24.260 window, the dad wakes up. That's been proven. Are you serious? I thought it would have just
00:50:30.140 been noise in general after i had scarlet i every sound woke me up for like three years yeah well
00:50:35.800 you sleep a little bit light lighter but but men wake up when they think there's when there might
00:50:42.180 be something in the house whereas women wake up when the children cry interesting yeah isn't that
00:50:49.020 interesting but different so they get way better sleep they do yeah that's cool though i didn't
00:50:56.100 know that. Tips on how wives can honor and support successful slash busy husbands.
00:51:03.760 Well, negotiation is a big deal. Negotiating what you need and what your husband needs. And so one
00:51:11.260 of the things, uh, one of the things to discuss is if one of, if either you or your husband are
00:51:18.800 going out to work every day, you have to discuss how you would like to be greeted when you come
00:51:22.940 home at night uh that way well that way you set the evening off right and you're less more like
00:51:31.540 you're less likely to have conflict at night but uh and these things can't be that they just aren't
00:51:38.960 just obvious you actually have to discuss it and that's the thing about marriages often is the
00:51:46.620 woman thinks the man should know why she's upset but there's no first of all men aren't like that
00:51:52.660 so they won't know but even if you were with another woman if if you don't tell her what
00:51:58.780 you're upset about she's not going to know either and you know that so why would your husband know
00:52:04.260 so that i mean which is even less likely right so you definitely have to say what you need and
00:52:13.000 really, I had to pay attention to Jordan and what he was doing to see, you know, and at some point
00:52:24.240 when I got arthritis in my thumbs and I couldn't do massages anymore, I spent six months just
00:52:30.500 asking, what should I do next? What should I do next? Because it wasn't obvious to me what I
00:52:37.980 might do i'd been doing massages for i don't know 25 years or something and um and then i saw jordan
00:52:44.520 in the kitchen one day and i thought he's a busy man he's a busy man maybe i could help him now i
00:52:51.880 could have thought of that years before that but i didn't but anyway i did i thought of it at that
00:52:58.020 point which i guess was the point i was supposed to think about that and i asked him if he wants
00:53:02.900 some help was this before like 2016 yep oh what when just before whoa that's weird yeah i know
00:53:11.140 just before like a week later and i might be exaggerating but not by much he came downstairs
00:53:17.500 and said something was bugging him that you know the people in his practice were complaining about
00:53:23.860 political correctness and now it was coming to the university with dei and he didn't know if he
00:53:29.040 he wasn't going to be able to keep his mouth shut for very much longer and i said why don't you say
00:53:34.980 something publicly what could happen and um so he went upstairs and made that video and released it
00:53:41.880 on youtube and that afternoon the house was filled with journalists and it never stopped
00:53:48.440 and so that's weird that was very interesting because i was there i was there i had already
00:53:55.420 i had already changed my life and had become the person who was going to be supportive
00:54:01.280 of him as my first job you know sounds like god does very serendipitous yeah oh yeah and julian
00:54:11.940 was there julian was home from university uh he wanted to go take a programming course he was
00:54:17.220 going to go to california and i said why don't you come home joy julian you're going to be
00:54:22.340 working 16 hours a day I'll cook for you you won't have to do any of that you can just work
00:54:30.160 you can just work and so he thought yeah okay I'll come home and of course during that time
00:54:36.720 when that happened but Julian was at home too so he was on the phone Julian was on the phone with
00:54:42.180 reporters I was on the phone with reporters you know they were in our kitchen in our foyer outside
00:54:47.820 our door in cars they were everywhere but he was there and I was there and so we managed it you
00:54:55.800 know we managed that moment and part of it was that we were present in the moment and there and
00:55:03.340 did the next right thing because it could have been that it was so overwhelming that it just
00:55:09.140 it never really was possible to get in touch with all the interviews and and get the word out of
00:55:19.360 what it was that he was doing so yeah it it could have been so when so when you're in a relationship
00:55:27.040 it's really good to try to take an objective view of your lives and to see where you could
00:55:36.020 tweak it and make it run a little better, not maybe more efficiently in particular, but paying
00:55:43.660 attention. Yeah. Pay attention. Just pay attention. I think what occurred to me a couple of days ago,
00:55:51.740 it's funny, this hadn't occurred to me before. Maybe it has periodically was that people are
00:55:56.800 always, especially goal driven, driven people are always trying to live for what's next,
00:56:02.520 but what you're doing every day is your life dad said this yeah and it's crazy that you can almost
00:56:09.360 get brainwashed or brainwash yourself into being like well as soon as i get to that goal that's
00:56:13.420 when my life starts it's like that's evil right that is dangerous right so a couple days ago i
00:56:20.040 was like no we need to organize every day how we want it to look because this is our life now
00:56:25.760 we're not i was like and it's really good so if we're doing things a little bit off like that's
00:56:31.700 just how it's going to be. We need to fix things now. And that like, what I've learned from being
00:56:37.100 in a like great marriage is you really have to talk about everything down to like the minute
00:56:44.100 detail, like everything, like you were saying, what do you want dinners to look like every day?
00:56:50.100 How, what do the mornings look like? Who does what, how is the house kept clean?
00:56:54.520 and i find scheduling extremely helpful for everything because then you don't have to argue
00:57:02.640 about it you don't have to think about it and because we work from home too we've it's taken
00:57:08.000 a while because we're it's still early we've been married for three three years uh so knowing like
00:57:18.380 now is when we don't work that's been really important because also before we were launching
00:57:23.540 peterson academy it was like we didn't really have the times where we didn't work uh which was
00:57:30.160 fine you know it's probably what happens when you're trying to launch something but i was like
00:57:35.060 we have to make sure we don't miss out on things like like family and each other too you know so
00:57:43.820 scheduling has been very very helpful i think we scheduled dates right i know i like i probably
00:57:50.480 learned a bunch of that from you. I remember dad had a calendar up on the fridge or he taught us
00:57:57.620 this. I just have this memory of a Google calendar where it was like every half an hour
00:58:01.360 scheduled. I think it was Sunday meetings too, and decided what jobs everyone would have for
00:58:10.660 that week. And so yes, you have to discuss everything. You have to discuss everything and
00:58:19.060 see if you are resentful about doing anything. And if you are, then you got to discuss it.
00:58:24.340 And if you don't talk about it too, like the number of things you have to negotiate,
00:58:29.580 even if they're little tiny things, like everything can be tiny, right? If you stop
00:58:35.840 discussing and negotiating that they stack up so quickly that you can drown yourself
00:58:41.360 and it can get like kill relationships, like kill your soul. Like it's just so hard on you. If you
00:58:49.820 don't say what you want or what you need, or if you see something going on that bothers you, like
00:58:56.260 say it or it's just say it once. That's the thing though. Say what you have to say once
00:59:04.960 and then know that you have put it out there and you've done what you can do.
00:59:12.380 I don't know. I don't know if I agree with that. I have to say things like six times to this,
00:59:17.180 this guy. I love him, but it'll be like, Jordan, that really bothers me when you do X,
00:59:21.820 you do something like that. Or, or say, can you put your phone down during dinner?
00:59:26.460 You know, don't work. Don't work during dinner. Also our dinner is so fast. Cause mostly we eat
00:59:31.400 meat. Like we inhale dinner. This isn't a big time suck. Like this is air frying steak and
00:59:36.740 eating steak. It's like a 10 minute dinner. Don't like be present. Right. I have to, and I think
00:59:43.320 it's his personality too. I have to mention it three times and then I have to like yell about
00:59:48.280 it. So this is the thing that I was talking about at the very beginning. I was talking about the
00:59:54.120 Scarlet Beast and the Whore of Babylon. And he's a nine-headed monster, the beast, right? So he
01:00:04.980 does not, he is not integrated. And he is praying to false gods everywhere, right? And so one of
01:00:13.940 the things that can happen is that when you're at home, there can be competing desires.
01:00:24.120 There can be competing desires and you have to be very careful to recognize that the home
01:00:31.960 is a place of communication and nurturing.
01:00:41.300 It's not a place of business.
01:00:43.240 This is, this brings me back to the working from home though.
01:00:46.600 Yeah.
01:00:46.880 When you have kids, this is the problem I've been having because you have kids.
01:00:50.080 It's great that you're there.
01:00:51.100 They always know like mom's around the corner. Um, and I really like that, but I think it's hard
01:00:58.460 for a person, especially if they work online to switch it off. Yeah. So I think I might have to,
01:01:05.580 I think we just need a schedule. Can't you switch it off on your computer? No, I mean,
01:01:09.620 there's things all we'd have to do is just put the phones down, put the computers down between
01:01:14.700 this period of time, this period. We're, we're getting there. It's just taken like, we're fine.
01:01:19.180 we've already sorted it out it's just taken three years to be like oh this is important uh this is
01:01:25.860 our lives right now and then we're not as we're not as um swamp trying to get a business off the
01:01:35.500 ground and not being like hordes and hordes of debt and say what we were going to do and things
01:01:41.640 so now that that's kind of out of the way oh when i'm talking about the whore of babylon like that
01:01:46.360 is hedonistic short-term gratification is what that story is is talking about too and that's not
01:01:56.520 you know that that's not marriage that's that's not a committed marriage that is someone who has
01:02:04.680 lost the um lost the narrative that it's a long-term committed relationship with humility
01:02:15.680 and gratitude and you know this is this is something that our society is suffering from
01:02:24.420 more than individual marriages you know people who are married at least are making are taking a stab
01:02:30.760 at doing it oh yeah the best way they can't be perfect no like you were always aiming you know
01:02:37.380 that's right aiming up you can't be perfect no we're we're in a great place it's just funny it's
01:02:42.500 just funny but it's interesting to see that how easily how easily just even a few little things
01:02:48.420 that aren't quite right can impact you can impact you yeah that's why you always have to uh be
01:02:54.180 willing to uh take an objective look at things to see and aim honestly like aim towards god
01:03:02.720 yep like if you guys are aimed and then at least you're both aimed in the right direction and the
01:03:07.740 ego doesn't get involved, pride doesn't get involved as much as it could. Cause it still
01:03:12.060 does like people still make mistakes. We still make mistakes. And it's like, no, that's what
01:03:17.440 I wanted. That wasn't like the greater good, you know, sorry. But if you're both aimed in the right
01:03:24.280 direction and it's not prideful, I mean, I don't know how you can negotiate otherwise. Otherwise
01:03:32.040 it's just like an ego tug of tug of war yeah it's so hard yeah no i you know ever since you've been
01:03:39.000 married and you've had this relationship uh i don't worry about you at all yeah and so the worry
01:03:46.820 partly i think that comes from a parent whose kids are grown is that they haven't realized
01:03:55.700 their proper place in relationship to God. Once you realize that, at least you get it
01:04:05.820 in the right perspective. I would love to keep talking about this, but my SD card is going to
01:04:10.400 run out. Okay. So we should tighten this up. Good luck on the tour with dad. Thank you.
01:04:15.840 And thank you for coming on. Thanks for the invitation. Oh, my pleasure, Michaela.