00:00:23.440Okay, so this is the big multi-million dollar question.
00:00:26.320A face that's not the right shape doesn't work properly.
00:00:39.020This episode features Dr. Mike Mew, who's behind the viral mewing for an attractive jaw craze.
00:00:45.480His dad, John Mew, came up with mewing, a way to prevent and potentially fix crooked teeth
00:00:50.340and improve your health and the way you breathe and look it's pretty revolutionary very aligned
00:00:56.120with ancestral living if you're into that it makes more sense to me if you watch the episode
00:01:00.840and decide you'd like to support mike there's a petition link below at prevent crooked teeth.com
00:01:06.480you can sign enjoy and let me know what you think of this uh is there anything you specifically
00:01:12.220want to talk about i saw that you're being investigated well you know it's it's you know
00:01:16.340again you know I just I was I was interested there were the parallels with the fact your
00:01:20.840father's being investigated and you know this is it's the system against the new idea you know I'm
00:01:26.380breaking the mold and they want to shut me up basically because and they've got it's just so
00:01:33.180unfair you know they have all the um everything in their favor and you know it's just be difficult
00:01:38.960being the little guy trying to put something forward but you know my central theme you know
00:01:44.520has been to trying to debate why our teeth are crooked you know i've been trying to engage my
00:01:49.940profession in a debate i'm saying look don't listen to anything you know listen to word i've
00:01:55.280got to say but believe that i want the scientific process i want to debate on why teeth are crooked
00:02:01.020and then we work upwards you know you start with eutology and if you're treating all these kids and
00:02:05.620you openly admit you've got no idea what causes the problem yeah no and there is so much more to
00:02:13.240mewing clearly i wasn't expecting mewing it's sort of i guess i was very lucky you know you
00:02:20.280you've got to recognize when you're being lucky and i guess make most of it because i have been
00:02:26.360lucky and this is helping me get that message out there but really what it is something's going
00:02:33.040wrong with the way people's faces are growing and it is people don't want to admit this people don't
00:02:41.880people want to believe that the way their face grew was genetic and that's it and yet it's so
00:02:48.880clearly not genetic and all the hard evidence says it's not genetic but you've got a profession
00:02:56.300in fact quite a few professions when you analyze it that are looking that are
00:03:01.700they're predicated word i learned from your father um this problem you know crooked teeth
00:03:11.860or sleep apnea or the way your face grows and lots of ent problems and georgia problems the
00:03:18.160inference is that these are caused by the it's genetics at least that's the way we're treating
00:03:24.820it as if it were caused by the genetics and yet all hard evidence says that it's not caused by
00:03:31.520genetics and medicine doesn't like to change you know it has a great inertia against change i mean
00:03:39.960you you know this and there's inevitable pushback and of course i i what i really
00:03:49.140really annoys me i mean the biggest thing i really want to push is prevention yeah because i think
00:03:55.880that we could i don't know you could completely prevent it in a modern world i'm sure you could
00:04:03.120make a lot of effort to reduce the severity of these problems with simple public health messages
00:04:11.160like eat with your mouth shut stand up straight and shut your mouth that's not a new idea
00:04:19.380and it's it's just getting that message out there and really making parents of children aware of the
00:04:30.460amount they can do to ensure that their child grows closer to their full genetic potential
00:04:37.840because a face that is the right shape grew well is a healthier face but unfortunately a healthier
00:04:47.560face is also an attractive face you know i think that we're hardwired to be attracted to healthy
00:04:54.240people in many ways that maybe is what attraction is and attractiveness is health in many other ways
00:05:03.840but of course it's also a motive you know it suddenly becomes emotional i remember you before
00:05:12.820i became famous or before i had a following parents would bring their child to see me
00:05:21.120and you know the mother would laugh at how crooked their child's teeth were and then I would start
00:05:28.660explaining the philosophy and the concept behind what we were thinking and the penny would then
00:05:34.460drop in the mother that I was suggesting that their child's face hadn't grown me yeah and they'd
00:05:40.300have a sense of they'd have a sense of humor failure and I had one mother leave you know I
00:05:45.720couldn't be lighter i couldn't be nicer and i'm saying well you know how how do you circle that
00:05:51.400square you know and i walked down the street and i'm seeing a train wreck a disaster car accident
00:05:58.660and it's everyone i meet everyone's faces yeah you know and we know how they should grow because
00:06:06.240we've got the skulls go go look they're in the museums and you know it's the same you see that
00:06:13.000guy walking off for africa and serengeti you know boulders brass you know fantastic big broad smile
00:06:19.660with all 32 teeth and usually something like a centimeter behind the wisdom teeth wow that's a
00:06:26.420vast amount of tongue space for his tongue and interestingly they look just like our ancestors
00:06:37.600and we don't look like our ancestors and there's been this huge change and no one's pointing it
00:06:47.960out no one's saying hello well people are i mean i don't get familiar with the book jaws done got it
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00:07:00.220i don't even believe that you know this book here this is this is basically my father's
00:07:06.280concept yep taken by sandra khan and paul ehrlich so paul ehrlich at stanford who came out with the
00:07:13.100population bomb yeah and you know they produced that the book and it that is you know paul came
00:07:19.460to our house i mean i've known sandra for years and she wanted to put the story together and
00:07:23.980present the story and you know it's there it's well documented it's well researched it's you
00:07:30.380i would wish i had time to write a book like that myself it you know it's there it's scientifically
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00:09:14.760episode yeah well what it's suggesting is that you can change this the shape of your skull right
00:09:20.540basically yes this is the thing you know you you start saying well if this is an environmental
00:09:26.880change then you can change your environment and thus you can change your your facial form
00:09:36.420and this this sounds radical but look at anyone who has a stroke
00:09:44.660yeah and you see one side and says you know i'm right
00:09:48.780but it is one of those things that just jars with people people you know you know that image that
00:09:59.360looks back to you from any mirror in the world you know what's on what bit of your passport or
00:10:06.260driving license to people look at when they want to identify you it's your photograph it's your
00:10:11.820face many ways you could say that is your identity for me to come along and say that thing that you
00:10:19.120think your identity is it's plastic you know you know you can change your face you know it's like
00:10:29.060you've changed your personality you're not the same person yep it's just all these layers of
00:10:34.600a motive and i'm sure i'm sure i'm going to be burnt alive by people are saying oh you should
00:10:42.280be happy the way you are you know you should and what am i saying i'm coming along saying that
00:10:51.840well actually you can change the very essence of what you think is you is malleable it's mobile
00:11:00.700And if your face hasn't grown very well, not only is it probably your, or even worse, your parents' fault, but it's probably causing you serious health problems.
00:11:15.640I can see why there's a little bit of pushback from people.
00:11:25.320how do you so what you're suggesting is people's diets and lifestyle have contributed to
00:11:34.480malocclusion crooked teeth overbites underbites and just generally misshapen faces and so you're
00:11:42.940not necessarily you're not necessarily an ugly person you just haven't been what holding your
00:11:49.100tongue properly what's gone wrong okay so when you know the important question always in medicine
00:11:56.520is what caused this problem because medicine's supposed to be about treating the causes of
00:12:01.720problems now well i couldn't tell you if our ancestors had sleep apnea couldn't tell you if
00:12:08.580they had type 2 diabetes we we don't know but they're dead and there's no soft tissue left
00:12:13.980we don't have contemporaneous records taken at the time what we do have though is all these skulls
00:12:22.120so i can tell you precisely where the teeth were or still are and i can also tell you precisely
00:12:30.780that the dimensions of the shapes of skulls and what you see when you go back in skull records
00:12:36.680is the further back you go the more conformity there was and the better architecture of the
00:12:43.720face there was in all racial groups all the way around the world it is not a racial thing
00:12:50.300you know where this really is just skin deep and then you go to start looking at what environment
00:12:57.840what's changed what's changed what are the major factors that have changed that period from when
00:13:04.580we were hunter gatherers to the modern environment and the two i mean there's quite a lot of factors
00:13:11.000but the two really big factors seem to be that we've gone from this really tough hard rough diet
00:13:19.660where you needed to eat a lot you needed to eat a lot to gain the calories you needed for the day
00:13:25.600and we've gone across to this diet that is just uber soft and it's i said it's very calorie rich
00:13:34.360you could have so i could make you a drink you know i i i've looked this up you know a starbucks
00:13:41.000um white cafe mocha is i think 420 calories well that's before you start over i put some
00:13:49.700marshmallows and cream and some sweet you know um syrups in there i mean you you could get that
00:13:55.440up easily to a quarter if not a third of your calorific not not nutritional but just the
00:14:01.020calories you need for the day and to gain those calories you've done during no effort no no
00:14:08.720master catering effort you've not used these puppies here you've not used them at all to get
00:14:13.280those calories on board so either that day you were going to eat more stuff to use your muscles
00:14:19.980and then put on weight because you're taking too many calories on board or you're going to eat less
00:14:26.780you know you don't eat as much that day to compensate for those kinds of the easy calories
00:14:31.240you've done and that's what's happening you know we're giving you know you see the amount of sugar
00:14:36.240that's creeping into foods while the amount of effort is going down um i remember a lecturer
00:14:45.760telling me that our ancestors were eating for up to a third of the day wow now that that's a huge
00:14:54.100amount of effort there's a vast change you know we think of our bodies as doing what 30 percent
00:14:59.940of the exercise that our ancestors did I think our jaws my guesstimation is about five percent
00:15:07.260of what our jaws are doing you can see from the wear of our teeth and I'm not saying we you know
00:15:11.920we need to go back to wearing our teeth down as our ancestors did but medicine's about treating
00:15:17.640the cause of the problem you've got to understand that cause and of course you know I've got a strong
00:15:22.160jaw yes you do that that my jaw would fit all my teeth quite happily and that strong jaw is related
00:15:30.760to this strong jaw muscle you know that the use it or lose it it's um you know it's called wolf's
00:15:37.320law in greater or lesser extent that's just the masseter muscle this here's the masseter and the
00:15:43.180temporalis is coming you don't see the temporalis but you know you can ripple it if you try but
00:15:49.440the masseters here and how you know that strong jaw is related to that strong muscle and you get
00:15:57.880strong muscles from using them so it's not complex it's relatively simple
00:16:04.680then the next factor seems to have changed is we're getting nasal obstructions
00:16:10.760and nasal obstructions seem to have become really commonplace they're not really my area but we know
00:16:17.700they're going up dramatically people are getting allergies they're getting blocked noses it's
00:16:22.800there's a rapid increase and if you can't breathe out of your nose you have two choices you don't
00:16:32.460breathe which isn't good or you're going to open your mouth to breathe and when you open your mouth
00:16:40.240to breathe you lose that tongue to palate contact and that's i think it's a really really vital
00:16:48.260reflex that we have and you you lose your lip seal you know and that's a reflex that's one of
00:16:54.420the orifices in your gut don't lose any of those orifices they're all important and if you you but
00:17:03.240you know as as vital as those um reflexes are breathing's clearly more important you know
00:17:11.360breathing's possibly the most important thing you're going to do you know that i think that's
00:17:14.820number one on my desires today to breathe everything else comes below that so to breathe
00:17:23.700properly you throw away tongue to palate contact you throw away lip seal now a lot of people regain
00:17:30.940lip seal at around puberty because you just realize this looks a little stupid you bring
00:17:36.860your lips together but you don't you you rarely are you gonna get your tongue back up on the roof
00:17:42.580of the mouth and usually at that point your your your palate's narrowed to the point where you're
00:17:49.340going to struggle to get your tongue on the roof of the mouth anyway so you know it becomes a vicious
00:17:53.740cycle a lot of people's faces are now so long they're going to struggle to get their lips
00:17:58.420together comfortably and of course we're creatures of comfort we're only going to do
00:18:02.520we'll only maintain as your posture what's comfortable
00:18:08.360so we've got these two changes we've gone from really tough strong muscles from all this chewing
00:18:17.120we've gone from tongue on the palate lips together
00:18:19.780and we've now got weak muscles mouth open
00:18:24.460now does that look familiar that's like i i'm 80 of school children are walking around like
00:18:34.400you know i take my kids to school and it's just like i i i just close my eyes pretend i didn't
00:18:40.720see it well what can you say to people you know i'm not going to be in that position and say to
00:18:44.740parents oh by the way you should be you know they're going to tell they're going to give me
00:18:48.520flee in the air and tell me where to go as they rightly should um and of course if you hang your
00:18:56.200mouth open and you're weak muscles your face is going to lengthen again we go back that's you've
00:19:02.140got a stroke you can see that and remember most people have a stroke it's only the facial muscles
00:19:07.760this is surface muscles and yet that can still create a relatively pronounced effect and i
00:19:14.080remember working in hospitals when i saw a guy who had had a road traffic accident and he'd severed
00:19:19.740his um trigeminal nerve you know the power nerve that supplies the these these muscles the big
00:19:26.620muscles it was amazing you know it was incredible seeing how quickly one side of his face dropped
00:19:32.920down wow and you know it reminds you just how plastic faces are but in your face lengthens
00:19:42.380because you're hanging your mouth open with weak muscles it's a little bit like one of those
00:19:46.880children's toys heads and they're just being stretched so it gets narrower and it gets
00:19:54.100shallower and you reduce the cross-sectional area so horrifying i know i know we talk about kids
00:20:01.700you know it just well you know what you don't have my blood when i see this but oh yeah section
00:20:08.020that's crooked teeth aka malocclusion crowding yeah when uh when scarlet so i have a five-year-old
00:20:15.480yeah and uh she used a soother when she was little and i didn't know i know i don't i didn't know
00:20:25.240yeah but don't beat yourself up about this because you know my second beating myself up
00:20:29.420yeah you know and there's there's lots you can do now so um my grandfather so i'm a third
00:20:36.740generation orthodontist my grandfather was taught by harold chapman in the uk and harold chapman
00:20:42.380was the guy who made orthodontics he pushed orthodontics into being a science you know
00:20:46.960evidence-based well in that direction we didn't get evidence-based idea till a little bit later
00:20:51.460but he pushed it to being scientific and he still you know there's a harold chapman prize
00:20:56.980that the british orthodontic society runs and so what he told my grandfather was at four or five
00:21:03.980years old if you didn't have enough space between all the upper incisors so you know you've got the
00:21:11.340upper incisors here here's a cast so you'd have space and i think it was actually between the
00:21:15.820canine as well so you'd have the gap there the gap there the gap there the gap there and the gap
00:21:21.600there so that's five spaces i believe and if at four or five years old you didn't have the space
00:21:30.320for a half crown now that is about two millimeters thick wow then you were going to have problems in
00:21:38.580the future and he recommended doing a burst of expansion um to kick the kids out of this hole
00:21:45.720they were in and i did it for both my kids and if you implement that with some really good
00:21:49.800functional exercises then it can really be really beneficial to kids okay what is yeah what is so
00:21:58.260what does that look like what do you do for kids um you widen them so basically you just look at
00:22:04.120the top of this appliance the top of this appliance you can see you've got a screw in
00:22:08.860the middle of it yeah and you can put that in the roof of a child's mouth and widen them
00:22:13.720wow from what the way child what the way harold chapman was talking it's it's relatively clear
00:22:21.200i think that this was relatively rare so most children would have that much space which is
00:22:30.840literally 10 millimeters and yet i see no kids with that much space anymore no one i never see
00:22:42.220it it would be you treat every child that walks in and that reflects the amount of change that
00:22:52.160we've had just in a hundred years you know harold chapman was teaching my father maybe in the well
00:22:57.840throughout the 20s so my grandfather started just before the war first world war clearly signed up
00:23:05.980joined the first world war got shot up came back finished his education after the war so it was
00:23:10.740that era first world war era and you know i don't i think we it's so easy just to forget
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00:24:46.540since 2 million years ago. So how do you solve, because I have two things that I definitely want
00:24:51.940to cover, which would be one, if you're an adult and you want to become more attractive or fix your
00:24:57.880jaw or get a stronger jaw, what exactly do you do? Okay. So this is the big multimillion dollar
00:25:04.480question. I, um, Julia, I'm, I, I, my core business has always been treating kids and
00:25:11.460treating kids really young. I much prefer, you know, our motto is eight's getting too late
00:25:15.800for treatment. So I much prefer younger kids of four years old. I often do this as little
00:25:21.780burst of expansion and kids, when they're developing, they are so plastic. It's, it's,
00:25:27.100it's it's it's unbelievable really to watch kids over about 25 it is really difficult to change
00:25:35.560your craniofacial structure i i gave this lecture in this 21 convention is the sort of lecture you
00:25:44.520know what if i've researched that i never should have given because it was all followed by um one
00:25:49.140of these incels and people that have become apparently i'm a big name amongst the incels
00:25:56.000now i don't know quietly that brings to me but it i i gave this lecture anyway and at the end of
00:26:05.240the lecture i was swamped by people you know 19 20 year old mainly boys saying okay how can i make
00:26:13.760my face better yeah and of course that wasn't actually what was going through my head just
00:26:18.840just with exercises and i was kind of saying to them well you know you'd be you'd be crazy to try
00:26:24.160it's a really difficult thing to do i mean changing yourself changing your habits is in a
00:26:29.320way changing your nature and you know it's hard to change your nature it is a hard thing to do
00:26:34.740but on the other hand i i guess you'd be crazy not to try because what else are you doing with
00:26:44.560your mouth what i'm saying is stand up straight and shut your mouth it's not rocket science it's
00:26:50.440not new this is what i'm saying really is a reiteration a reworking of ancient ideas you
00:26:58.240know this has gone from confucius to the victorians all the way through society you know the same
00:27:03.600mantra has been running and an important mantra that
00:27:09.020however i then seem to start i crystallize this thing in people's minds and people then work
00:27:18.220really hard and i've been i've been really really stunned at some of the images i see from people
00:27:25.620yeah the changes they gain and it is just they're doing this by brute force they are
00:27:32.480getting results because they really want results and for some of these kids i really feel for them
00:27:39.540and i can understand what you know you know wasn't their fault many of them were pushed
00:27:46.420to orthodontics that they really didn't want to do in the in the cases that i've seen sometimes
00:27:56.000the orthodontics can tip the balance and actually lengthen faces oh and they're then forced to wear
00:28:03.700retainers by their parents we're telling them i paid for this orthodontics you've got to wear
00:28:07.060the retainers and they are you know they they i think they intrinsically know that something's
00:28:13.940wrong they see what i'm saying and these kids they feel like they're at the bottom of the pile
00:28:20.380they do you know we don't i mean we don't like to talk about it the fact that that ugly kid's
00:28:28.620the unpopular one because we've had this mentality that that's his genetic hand and
00:28:34.820there's nothing you can do about it and when i start turning around saying well actually that's
00:28:38.680not true there's a lot you can do about it well these kids they're jumping on it and they really
00:28:45.280you know you think you're the unpopular one you're the ugly one you're the you know you i guess there
00:28:52.260may be made this is a broad spectrum of why that may be but you can imagine these kids at that age
00:28:58.820are gonna trans you know fix themselves on trying to make themselves better they have a huge level
00:29:07.640of motivation because everything in their life is reminding them about this and they really focus
00:29:13.380and they really get then they gain changes and i'm really stunned with that and of course they're
00:29:18.300thinking oh well i'm looking better and i'm thinking you're healthier this is really going
00:29:26.540to help you in your life now my mission is to try and move the needle further north you know get into
00:29:37.000slowly get understand how i can help older and yet older patients in part with appliances
00:29:45.160and in part with exercises and you know see if i can change the face of the world or the faces
00:29:53.440of the world because a lot of people are getting really bad health issues from this
00:29:59.760yeah and crooked teeth is just it's one symptom
00:30:03.720you know when you look i could put a picture of an ancestral upper jaw so you know here's a patient
00:30:12.780i've treated and you can see that's a big wide upper jaw yeah and my i i like me i for me my
00:30:22.340mark of success is when the wisdom teeth come in and when the wisdom teeth come in at around 18
00:30:27.120years old because that's when they should come in and there should be space for them
00:30:31.080and then you know if he gets wisdom teeth coming he's got you know not you know he's got a really
00:30:37.380big upper jaw now that's a lot of space for your tongue i'm getting kids coming or older
00:30:43.820patients coming in and they've had a premolar extracted and they're also missing their wisdom
00:30:50.020teeth so that's four premolars four wisdom teeth and they're slightly crowded
00:30:55.040where's the space for their tongue there's no space in it you can see that the the face isn't
00:31:01.840well developed there's no space for the tongue and then where's the tongue well
00:31:05.120they seem to have a high chance of having sleep apnea because where else is the tongue going to
00:31:12.840go you know this is the house for the tongue if you lack space here your tongue's falling in the
00:31:18.460back of your airway and that would appear to be what sleep apnea is and i see people i've been to
00:31:26.420sleep apnea meetings and they're talking about you know all of these different potential causes
00:31:32.140and they're categorizing that's what you know people got to research for a search or die
00:31:36.780you've got to come up with papers saying
00:31:38.860something and they're categorizing and i'm saying well hadn't someone noticed
00:31:44.900here's an ancestral jaw here's an ancestral jaw and here's a modern jaw they're vastly different
00:31:50.780and until you've excluded this massive i mean massive change in form well surely all your
00:31:59.020other categorizations are going to come second to this huge change in facial form and yet i just
00:32:06.420i well you know i've been trying just to get any form of scientific engagement you know
00:32:13.880So, you know, so in 2009, I wrote an article, want to look it up, The Black Swan by Mike Meeve, where I challenged the British orthodontics.
00:32:26.620I said, look, you know, we had a debate, I think it was in 1937, held by the General Dental Council, you know, the main regulator, the government body in charge of dentistry, the board, if you wish.
00:32:38.920And they held that debate on the etiology of malocclusion.
00:32:43.360why are teeth crooked now you know that was 1937 maybe we should have another debate and that's
00:32:50.880what i'm saying to my regulator you know we should have a debate on this because this is
00:32:55.740this is important stuff you know we've got we're treating you know i think at least 50 i mean the
00:33:04.780people who can afford it i think it's way higher than that you know i had a girl who came in and
00:33:09.960she said every other girl every other person in her class had braces on she was the only one
00:33:16.640without braces and well she had one of my braces in so that means that's a hundred percent in that
00:33:20.660class a hundred percent of the people all are having some you know quite invasive just because
00:33:26.500everyone's having this treatment done it doesn't mean this isn't really quite an invasive procedure
00:33:33.480to have done in an incredibly sensitive part of your body and this has been done while my
00:33:43.000speciality the orthodontic speciality opened admits it has basically no idea why teeth are crooked
00:33:50.900so I said okay well you know there's situations where we're pressed ahead in medicine where we
00:33:57.600don't understand the answers but we should be ready at a drop of a hat to engage in that
00:34:05.620conversation and drive conversation forward well after my um article in the british dental journal
00:34:16.340i then had a letter writing campaign i wrote to the all the government bodies you know the
00:34:21.860the Minister of Health, the All-Party Dental Committee,
00:34:24.300the Quango above the General Dental Council,
00:34:30.480the General Dental Council, I think, Forge heads,
00:34:33.440the Royal Society, you know, everyone.
00:34:38.600I wrote to everyone because, you know,
00:34:40.700I wanted to make a meaningful challenge.
00:34:43.220And I've just, I think I exhausted all possible avenues
00:34:49.180to engage in the scientific process i'm saying all i want is a scientific process i don't believe
00:34:55.560i'm right you know don't don't believe a word i'm saying but you know look what we've achieved you
00:35:01.180know here we go you know fantastic things we've achieved my ability to talk to you right now yeah
00:35:05.960this has all been done by adherence to the scientific process you know finding out what
00:35:11.100works and you know i thought medicine you know medicine was supposed to be about trying to find
00:35:16.080answers and yet no one bar no one has engaged with me and i've had some really odd responses
00:35:23.080from senior orthodontists on what we don't really need to know of course in their point they don't
00:35:29.220need to know because they can make teeth straight and that seemed to be the answer to make teeth
00:35:35.500straight and i'm saying okay well you can make them straight but they don't stay there
00:35:40.740yeah asking people to wear retainers the rest their life well that's not
00:35:45.360really fixing something you know if i got a builder if i had a leak in the roof and i'm
00:35:51.700going to build around i said you'll fix that leak and he goes all right it's all done mate
00:35:54.760done done but if it rains you need to put a tarpaulin over the top
00:35:58.500i'm going sorry i thought you fixed it you know you go back thousands of years
00:36:06.600a bit more than a thousand let's say people had perfectly straight teeth from when they're born
00:36:11.920well not clearly when the teeth erupted to to when they die and that that was normal in all
00:36:18.280humans and it was generally true in all the other 5400 species of mammals
00:36:23.920and it only really seemed it's become endemic it's almost become normal it's been normalized
00:36:32.540because it's happened to everyone and it's always that risk that you start looking around
00:36:39.620at what normal is and you think that it's normal well it is normal but it is not ideal
00:36:48.680and we're we're wreaking the the issues of you know a face that's not the right shape
00:37:00.580doesn't work properly and you know i i can often you know okay so i went to see a well-respected
00:37:15.560ear nose and throat surgeon so that would be otolaryngologist in the u.s and i said to him
00:37:23.080as i've said in the lecture before i've said i thought that 10 of the people over 60 were going
00:37:28.320to be dying 10 years early because of sleep apnea and its consequences yikes and he said
00:37:35.440oh my it's more like 20 oh great and i just it just staggers me so you've got
00:37:43.320a fifth of the population dying from sleep apnea now sleep apnea was not in my syllabus
00:38:17.940You know, sleep apnea, because what's happening in sleep apnea
00:38:20.660is, you know, you breathe in, you breathe out,
00:38:22.900you breathe in you breathe out you've got so little space that when you breathe in your tongue
00:38:27.260gets pulled in to your airway so what your body's done is going to suck a little bit harder and you
00:38:33.820try sucking a little bit harder and clearly that's not going to work because the harder you suck the
00:38:37.960more your tongue is going to get in your airway so then you need to wake up stimulate your conscious
00:38:45.280musculature to pull your tongue out your airway and then you go back to sleep again well this
00:38:53.000broken sleep pattern seems to be really caustic but all of the body systems i mean everything you
00:39:01.260know just basically your body starts falling apart young and um it's yeah i mean it's a big worry
00:39:10.840It really worries me, particularly when I look at the fact, you know, you Google back 1960s, 1980s, because those are the guys, yeah, 1980s, because those are the guys who are going to be 20 then, who are 60 now.
00:39:28.240and look at 20 year olds on photographs and from my observation and from the orthodontic need at
00:39:35.800time it would appear that they had a far lower incidence well they clearly we don't think they
00:39:43.280had sleep apnea because it wasn't in my syllabus but they seem to have great facial forms much
00:39:47.700better facial forms that i'm seeing on the street now yeah so that would indicate if that's true
00:39:55.100that it's 20 now in a decade it'll be 30 or 25 a decade after that more and more and more and more
00:40:06.300till someone wakes up to the fact that yes our faces are not growing correctly and that's having
00:40:13.240a major impact and of course that's in the sleep apnea the elderly when you look at sleep apnea
00:40:19.760You know, and the kids were, well, Stephen Sheldon in Chicago
00:40:29.560is saying that there's no such thing as ADHD.
00:40:35.060It's kids who can't, who have got short sleep.
00:40:38.440What do you give to kids who have ADHD?
00:48:01.460on tiktok which is just just absolutely insane and so clearly there's a huge interest in this
00:48:11.620And so I'm going to put a Mewing app out. And it's not quite ready, but it should be out soon because most of this, you know, I again, I'm drawing parallels with your father here.
00:48:24.380I had a list of videos for my patients. So that I didn't have to describe this lots of times.
00:48:32.980And having given this lecture, people jump on the videos I had for my patients and the rest with them history.
00:48:40.280But I've not really given my full account of what you could do to improve yourself.
00:48:48.140And so I'm hoping that I can monetize the viewing app and then I can cross subsidize my clinic.
00:48:57.740And, you know, I'm trying to I'm trying to do science here.
00:49:02.540And that's a really, really hard thing to do, which is zero help from the establishment.
00:49:07.620you know it's you know this is i've got a public we have a public health care system here
00:49:15.340there are scientists full-time salaried researchers whose job it is to hunt out
00:49:24.620comments from the clinicians and look into things in greater detail and research things
00:49:31.600well i'm i'm completely excluded from this process you know the there's a the biggest
00:49:38.480um orthodontic training program is literally i reckon you could make it door to door on the
00:49:46.080train in about 25 minutes from here and you know i've been trying to talk to the professor
00:49:54.180for what six years just trying to get the you know just get a little pilot study going or something
00:50:04.700and it's but yeah but in a way we're talking here people are talking about um you know science
00:50:11.720you're supposed to compare the same thing we're comparing apples and pears because
00:50:16.220i'm not trying to make teeth straight yeah i'd love them to become straight but all i do is i
00:50:23.600herd them into general areas and then i work on improving facial form now i expect the patient
00:50:34.380to largely make their own teeth straight now i'm never going to compete with the fixed braces
00:50:42.560that make the teeth straight i'm not in the same ballpark i can't but if a patient makes their own
00:50:51.460teeth straight they're liable to stay straight maybe i don't get such a perfect result but
00:50:59.400they're liable to stay straight if someone else makes your teeth straight they're unliable to
00:51:07.000stay there and that's exactly what we see so people put retainers in and i'm i worry that
00:51:13.980retainers are holding teeth out the balance zone that they're holding teeth out of where they want
00:51:18.900go now you can do that with a retainer that can hold the teeth but can you also hold the bone out
00:51:27.800there and the supporting tissues because the evidence probably says no and we just you know
00:51:35.300we haven't been on this mass orthodontics bandwagon for that long and this relatively
00:51:41.120recent push for permanent retainer lifelong retention it's a relatively new thing
00:51:47.140and i clearly have my worries about that and you know i would love to engage some people in
00:51:55.960meaningful debate on this that's what i want you know any professor on the planet please
00:52:02.180take up a platform with me so that we can have meaningful engagement about my concerns
00:52:07.960because yeah well it's reasonable that's what i think it's more than reasonable
00:52:15.900it makes way more sense than it's just medical system can be crazy because it makes way more
00:52:22.320sense that something's wrong than oh it's just suddenly genetic it just suddenly changed and
00:52:29.240now everyone needs braces because humans have evolved with braces yeah and when you you know
00:52:35.440when when people say to me you know they will say oh well it is racial intermixing you know
00:52:40.060mummies small jaws with but daddy's big teeth sorry that's clearly been proven to be wrong
00:52:46.760that's a good one you know i mean chung's research in hawaii you know he was taking
00:52:50.500thousands of people he clearly demonstrates that's not the case and you know any geneticist
00:52:56.320would laugh that out but yeah it's these ideas just get perpetuated because they're said so often
00:53:02.940so how do you so if you have a kid how do you make sure that their teeth are going to fit in
00:53:12.880their mouth and that they're okay so if we're going to take a starting from like zero yeah so
00:53:17.780if we're going to take a purely preventative option yeah well i mean i try i'm trying i really
00:53:25.680don't understand what's going on below about three four years old i mean i'd want to take
00:53:31.660some time off really investigate this and look at cases because it's not something really people
00:53:36.260looked at and of course people aren't born with teeth usually so you know i would love to just
00:53:45.340look at skulls and 3d scan lots and lots of people to see see what's happening
00:53:51.220let's say i was giving advice to you now as a mother of a five-year-old okay so i have my
00:53:58.420five point prevention strategy the first is stand up straight and shut your mouth
00:54:05.380you know which half backs to your dad's first rule
00:54:10.180you know although he's just saying stand up i think there's a bit more subtlety but you know
00:54:16.020we could go into that but the second thing is um uh eat with your mouth shut and this is something
00:54:25.700so you sit directly opposite your child and you can sit there so what i were the one i did last
00:54:32.860night with my child i sat there opposite um daughter number two who's six years old she
00:54:39.580wanted to watch something on the phone so i sat there with the phone and every time her lips were
00:54:44.440apart or she didn't sit up straight i just like that and she knew it so i prompted her the first
00:54:51.340few times and pretty soon you know she got it and all i had to do was sit there doing this
00:54:57.500every time she didn't sit up straight and you know what i'm saying to her is that her lips
00:55:04.120should only separate for the fork to go the food to go in the mouth and you should have a relatively
00:55:10.960small amount of food in the mouth going in at one time not a huge amount you put a relatively
00:55:16.480small bite in your mouth then the lips go closed and all of the all of the extended
00:55:22.700actions should be done with the lip sealed you're training the lips to be together
00:55:29.640and you simply sit opposite them make sure you've got every single meal they've got their lips
00:55:36.000together all the time and that's a hell of a thing to do michaela you know you're a mom you
00:55:44.880know how busy it is you know how chaotic it is and you've got to sit there at as many meals as
00:55:50.600humanly possible i would suggest the evening meals would be a great thing to do it and you
00:55:55.440make sure that they're sitting up straight you know you know this you know they say that if you
00:56:01.340do a brisk 10 minute walk every day you reduce the chance of a cardiovascular a heart attack
00:56:09.180you know it's really really pushing this in the uk i don't know they're saying that in the u.s
00:56:14.720at the moment but they're encouraging the elderly community to have a brisk 10-minute walk well if i
00:56:20.360could get young children from as young as possible to do 30 to 40 minutes exercise from this young
00:56:29.360age this would be you know really powerful when are we using the mouth when we're eating so i've
00:56:37.680got this super secret exercise can't tell anyone the mealtime exercise sit up straight
00:56:46.600elbows off the table eat with your mouth shut chew your food properly
00:56:54.420don't speak when you're eating food to you not you to your food
00:56:59.820and when you go to swallow pause chin tuck bite together and swallow well apart from that last
00:57:07.280bit i threw in that's probably the least secret exercise on the planet i've i've had people coming
00:57:16.480for consultations with me from all over the world from all different groups
00:57:23.760and everyone bar one person who was brought up in the amazon jungle with
00:57:31.020out tables and chairs they all had that exercise in their collective memory
00:57:36.140that cultural memory now that's because because it worked so as i said welcome from compucius
00:57:45.380was saying exactly that right through to the victorians to being every culture and all of
00:57:50.200these cultures are saying exactly the same thing and you think well actually that's really weird
00:57:57.800that's either that's magic or there's a really important thing why they're saying that and it's
00:58:04.340it worked and back in those days when someone didn't grow well it was obvious because everyone
00:58:09.780else did grow well so from that book the the the low-lying fruit on that is eat with your lips
00:58:18.340together if you can get your child to eat with lips together you you're making massive inroads
00:58:25.220then i'd recommend chew gum from when they come home after school until they go to bed
00:58:33.620chew gum the whole time and i'd go for a tougher gum than usual
00:58:40.100then i'd lip tape at night you know clearly you check for some medical advice i don't
00:58:44.900want to be suggesting this to people who may have other conditions but go online
00:58:48.900check situation see a doctor check it's fine but then just simple lip taping across the lips
00:58:54.100um and so i you'll normally recommend micropore tape to be used at night i often use this one
00:59:05.520here which is if you can see that it there's micropore silicone this tape this tape i like
00:59:11.300don't start night times for the kid start in the daytime because you've got suddenly give them tape
00:59:17.180never put tape on your child while they're asleep you need their they need to be bought into this
00:59:22.220they need to want to do that so you start with this blue tape and this blue tape is great
00:59:26.800because of course you can put this on someone's lips
00:59:29.980you can take it off put it somewhere where you might need it in the future
00:59:39.000and then next time right the next time they want to watch a device
00:59:44.920they have the device and the lip tape has to go on but because the lip tape
00:59:51.440you don't have to go to the drawer it's right here or you can stick it to the kitchen cupboards
00:59:56.340you've got it there and when they're watching the phone they've got to have the lip tape on
01:00:00.160that's such a good idea and then once they're used to that and once you've you've done some
01:00:07.240you know you you set up and you know you find out what i'm sure that sure there's something
01:00:11.400they want to watch on the phone and you then you you set up maybe a film or something and
01:00:18.800they've got to have um sorry they've got to have the lip tape on for the duration of this movie
01:00:27.160and or they can't watch the movie and that's gonna be enough of incentive for them to do it
01:00:32.940and then when they're finished or then well once they've done that once or twice then you can
01:00:38.580consider lip taping at night and what i also then did was for the kids the kids often get up before
01:00:46.420me they come into my bedroom say can i have your phone and i'll say if they've got the lip tape on
01:00:51.220yes you haven't got your lip tape on no so then they're going to have the lip tape on um so what
01:00:58.660we did my five five point prevention chew gum all of me lip tape eat your meals with your lips
01:01:06.580together and then um remind them always to stand up straight and shut your mouth and then the final
01:01:14.720point is get good records it amazes me how people come to see me and they've got no idea how their
01:01:23.040child's face grew in the past got no decent records you know it's simple with records if
01:01:29.300you don't know where you were you don't know where you're going this isn't complicated this
01:01:35.400is every pirate i actually think every dentist should take a sideways photograph you know a
01:01:42.240to a photograph of every child in their care every year above the age of four and that should be a
01:01:48.240mandatory requirement of all dentists to do that because this is such an important metric of health
01:01:59.600and that's great i think there's so much you can do you know
01:02:04.240yeah i mean so you can google it my five point prevention plan it's
01:02:12.240you know this you know and also war about this can i put a plug out for our campaign prevent crooked
01:02:18.960teeth and so prevent crooked teeth.com that's my campaign to try and look into these prevention you
01:02:28.320know why can't we try to prevent these problems yeah
01:02:36.880we should at least be trying i know we should be we should be and so does that mean
01:02:45.120so say malocclusion is preventative using those what about diet well a tough diet from a young
01:02:52.540or breastfeeding do you think that plays a role breastfeeding yeah i think i think that's really
01:02:56.380massively valuable but what it seems that can really mess breastfeeding up
01:03:01.540is the introduction of soft food so you know the first few times you try and feed your child
01:03:10.660pureed food they just go and most of it comes back out again so you wipe their face off you
01:03:18.100pick up another spoon put it in and eventually they're going to learn to suckle on this food
01:03:25.160so when we're when we're young we suckle and then we're a little bit older we start to swallow
01:03:32.840and there should be this transition between suckling and swallowing well what we're doing
01:03:38.480is we're giving children food that's so soft they don't need to swallow
01:03:48.120and we're doing it at such a young pit point that they're probably not ready to do a proper swallow
01:03:57.300so we train them to make a modified suckle and i think about my view about 85 percent of the
01:04:05.740population is doing a modified suckle instead of a swallow yeah yeah yeah yeah so most people
01:04:13.900you've got a slight circle when you swallow. So yeah, that's,
01:16:23.620also of course you can read from you know when you read the transcript of the prosecuting expert
01:16:30.520i am you know insulting his profession um you know you can see it's a visceral dislike of what
01:16:43.200i'm saying you can see that in the wording of what he says it's um you know that people don't
01:16:49.540like that and of course then then this is this this you know the really big story is that sometimes
01:16:56.220and i don't say it happens all the time modern orthodontics may and at key it does sometimes
01:17:02.720retract the face it of course is a downswing in facial form now if that's happening
01:17:08.720then you're going to in chuck increase the chance of sleep apnea which means you could potentially
01:17:17.660makes someone live less alone you're gonna potentially cause you know you have the risks
01:17:23.980of childhood sleep out here which is reduced intelligence i mean that's quite well mapped out
01:17:28.380by david gonzales and lots of other people and then you've got the fact they're going to be less
01:17:33.340attractive oh now you've gone along to an orthodontist he's not warned you about the
01:17:40.140these possible side effects it's an elective procedure that you didn't need to have done
01:17:47.660And you can, you know, just talking about this subject is just stirring up the hornet's nest.
01:17:52.740And, you know, people will hate me just for mentioning this now.
01:17:57.700And, you know, I don't want to definitively say this happens all the time.
01:18:02.580I do. I would like to point out that my father was on national television in the UK in 98, saying that he felt orthodontics could damage faces.
01:18:11.960and of course he was basically excommunicated at that point and he has now lost his license himself
01:18:18.380but all i'm saying is we need we need open debate on this now i'm saying i'm right i'm just we need
01:18:26.520meaningful so i say full fair and free debate where everyone gets invited you know the american
01:18:36.780association of orthodontics had a special meeting to cover this risk of sleep apnea and whether
01:18:42.660orthodontics causes sleep apnea well the people most of them you know disciples of my father's
01:18:50.100who you know like someone like bill hang who did more to raise this issue of sleep apnea
01:18:55.720from extractions and retraction than anyone wasn't invited to speak
01:19:00.620so well you know and he you ask him for his opinion on that event it doesn't smell good
01:19:09.120and again i would like just meaningful debate on that that's all i want is i want engagement
01:19:16.500i want the scientific process remember don't believe a word i say believe in the scientific
01:19:22.660process believe in my desire for scientific engagement because i want answers i desperately
01:19:29.500want answers i'm running you know i'm running as a purist system in this clinic as i can to gain
01:19:36.480the best possible outcomes but changing people doesn't make money
01:19:42.440qed where can people go online to find you to find me yeah social media websites please don't
01:19:53.780I get more males than I can cope with I mean I'm you know I'm just not really prepared I'm
01:19:59.720you know I'm hoping you know because because I you know it's well I orthodontists flippantly go
01:20:07.260oh just do some research you know just do you know when you're working so hard and you've got
01:20:13.060so limited resources it's really really hard to go and do meaningful research on this
01:20:18.660and then what do I prove well they're getting straighter teeth than I am and they won't show
01:20:23.260the faces every time i've suggested research to go we're going to look at the teeth but no we can't
01:20:27.960show the faces because that would be breaching confidentiality oh crazy and i go well if you
01:20:32.940ask the patients whether they mind because you might find they're going to go fine i don't mind
01:20:40.940all i want is is you know one thing i've asked time and time again over the years is to have
01:20:46.820some comparative research so i say you take 10 cases i'll take 10 cases we'll have an independent
01:20:53.420assessor who has the name and address of the patients in case they opt out treatment so he
01:20:58.440can independently check why they dropped out and we follow the cases for 10 years after the treatment
01:21:04.440and just see what happens you know this would cost minimum amount because you're treating the
01:21:10.580patients anyway and you don't have to have exactly matched patients because it's just you know an
01:21:16.020exploratory trial and i've been asking for what 30 years we've been asking for this
01:21:21.64030 years i remember my father i'm asking one group of more alternative orthodontists
01:21:29.540and the person he organized the head of the group came back with a message from someone
01:21:37.360the message was all john mu wants to do is show off his good facial outcomes
01:21:43.540are you where can you go i mean i i've never had a really meaningful engagement with any
01:21:51.600orthodontic orthodontist of no ever you know i always hold me when i was at university i had to
01:21:57.100hold back what i'm saying because i just upset people and you know people can't you know i'm
01:22:03.240apparently i'm the known charlatan yeah yeah of course
01:22:07.820well a lot of people are listening though like you might not have you might not have won
01:22:15.720through the the scientific community or the regulators but i mean people are paying attention
01:22:21.620yes yeah i mean i i i guess i guess i'm gonna have to monetize this because otherwise i don't
01:22:29.820get the reach that i need to change the world yeah plus there's nothing wrong with monetizing
01:22:35.620if you're going to be helping people and if you're avoiding like thousands and thousands
01:22:40.660and thousands of dollars of orthodontics anyway potentially that's really saving money yeah you
01:22:48.700know again you know what i want to my my always main focus has been prevention you know i want
01:22:54.820to go forward working out treatments you know i i don't claim my treatment's the best i my official
01:23:00.300version of my treatment is my treatment is terrible it's only better than the alternatives
01:23:04.900that's great that sounds like my dad i i yes yeah you know thank you okay well mike it was very nice
01:23:11.360meeting you when you do have your app up and running i'll link it in this video so people
01:23:16.380can check it out because well thank you very much indeed yeah thanks for coming on