The National Telegraph - Wyatt Claypool - October 02, 2026


Carney's New Pipeline Has A Big Problem!

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00:00:00.000 Although it's always good to hear that Canada is going to get a new pipeline, in this case potentially the Pacific Link pipeline, that's the one that Alberta Premier Danielle Smith and Mark Carney agreed to, there are still some problems with it and it mostly has to do with dumb liberal government processes.
00:00:19.200 I want to first cut to Prime Minister Mark Carney announcing the new pipeline, then I want to get into some of the nitty-gritty details that make the announcement have a little bit less fanfare to it when you realize that the timeline to actually even starting to build this thing is quite a while away.
00:00:36.760 So here is Mark Carney.
00:00:38.800 Last November, Premier Smith and I signed an MOU to unlock the full potential of Alberta's energy, both clean and conventional.
00:00:47.980 And at the center of this agreement is a new Bitterman pipeline to the West Coast.
00:00:55.200 In July, the Premier and I announced that Canada and Alberta would share equal ownership of this project
00:01:01.680 with a meaningful stake reserved for Indigenous peoples.
00:01:06.160 Pembina, thank you, Scott, came on board as a private sector investor and a contributor of its immense expertise.
00:01:14.000 project development will be led by transmountain the company that just built the largest oil
00:01:20.420 pipeline to canada's west coast by the way transmountain is not a private company it is a
00:01:26.560 effectively a public uh run crown corporation that builds pipelines with this historic partnership
00:01:33.340 between governments the private sector indigenous peoples our government began immediately to
00:01:39.500 undertake consultations to determine whether this project merited being listed under the
00:01:45.240 Build Canada Act by today. Over the past three months, the Major Projects Office has received
00:01:53.120 more than 100 submissions from Indigenous rights holders and conducted rigorous consultations
00:01:59.460 with more than 130 Indigenous communities near or along the potential routes in Alberta and B.C.,
00:02:06.540 as well as with federal departments and with the government of British Columbia.
00:02:12.260 Today, we're ready to move forward for Albertans, for Canadians.
00:02:17.820 And I'm proud to announce that the government of Canada is officially listing the West Coast Pipeline,
00:02:24.660 now known as Pacific Link, as a project of national interest.
00:02:31.260 So, generally speaking, I'm not mad that this is happening.
00:02:35.300 obviously i want pipelines to be built but the fine print of it is less exciting than you would
00:02:41.220 hope for hope it to be i want to jump over now to some of these little details that might kind
00:02:47.020 of get lost in the shuffle here here is mark carney talking about the process of now doing
00:02:52.800 at least a year of consultations before we then give it an extra approval to maybe potentially
00:02:58.980 move towards building the thing today we're ready to move forward for albertans for canadians and
00:03:07.700 i'm proud to announce that the government of canada is official so what does that mean over
00:03:17.860 the next year the major projects office supported by canada's energy regulator will lead consultations
00:03:25.220 with all stakeholders to set the conditions for the projects specifics about the ownership the
00:03:30.820 benefits the environmental protections and the local hiring contracting and oversight
00:03:37.540 the project's office the mpo will then work to finalize those conditions by the first of september
00:03:42.980 next year clearing the way to get shovels in the ground this means that as the project proponents
00:03:51.540 work over the next year to develop their final concept. Everything from community consultations
00:03:57.200 to route mapping, ecological surveys, cost estimates, procurement, workforce planning,
00:04:02.800 they can do so with confidence that the federal government supports this project.
00:04:08.140 It's an entirely new way of building in a Canada that works. When he says an entirely new way of
00:04:14.760 building, it's actually just the old way, but I guess it's maybe mapped out a little bit more
00:04:20.420 specifically because what he's basically announced there is that we're going to come up with a
00:04:25.060 concept for how this thing might actually get built so we're not building anything yet still
00:04:32.100 and this is the thing that drives me up the wall i have no doubt that alberta premier danielle
00:04:37.300 smith wants to build the pipeline asap this has probably been her dream since she was a little
00:04:42.100 girl building pipelines around canada whereas carney he can keep saying yes but he keeps adding
00:04:48.980 more time to the thing actually getting built i now want to quickly uh jump over to this uh some
00:04:55.860 of these clips because he started getting asked questions at this press conference regarding how
00:05:00.660 this thing is being paid for because right now taxpayers are the main party on the hook and can
00:05:06.660 you be explicit with canadians about how many billions of dollars you expect federal taxpayers
00:05:11.060 to contribute to get this pipeline built and can you explain why it's necessary when you said
00:05:15.460 there's been great global appetite for Canadian energy? The Canadian taxpayer is going to make
00:05:20.820 a lot of money off this pipeline. That does not actually answer the question. Canadian
00:05:27.220 taxpayers apparently could be on the hook for as much as $40 billion for the pipeline. Would
00:05:33.620 a Canadian taxpayers eventually make their money back if a pipeline gets built? Yes. But it's a lot
00:05:38.740 of deficit uh spending and debt up front that is really hampering how long it's going to take for
00:05:45.540 this thing to start making the public money if it was private sector built it'd be way better
00:05:50.340 and as people pointed out there's really not much of a private sector partner in all this
00:05:55.140 but carney laughs this question off about private about the private sector because
00:05:59.700 pembina pipelines is a private company there's still no private proponent for this pipeline
00:06:04.500 how confident are you that there will be one and why do you think there's no interest yet
00:06:08.740 have you been nationalized he looks pretty private sector he was looking at the pembina
00:06:15.220 pipeline ceo i believe and turning around saying oh you're you're not nationalized right you look
00:06:20.580 pretty private and it's like the problem is is that they're only a proponent because they are
00:06:25.460 getting they are basically being one of the builders of the project and they get 10 for doing
00:06:30.980 so it's still a 90 taxpayer funded or owned project because trans mountain because the the
00:06:40.160 indigenous portion of the and other other like ownership stakes all really are backed by taxpayer
00:06:47.040 money and it'd be good if they could get private sector proponents but the problem is that they're
00:06:51.660 effectively going to try and build this thing and then find the private sector proponents later on
00:06:57.340 down the road. And if it starts really dragging its feet, we're rolling a dice here, hoping that
00:07:02.420 somebody else steps in with private sector money so that the taxpayer doesn't get fully put on the
00:07:07.880 hook for what's being done here. Now, we're going to go over to the Tim Hodgson here, who is being
00:07:13.800 questioned by Vashti Capellos on CTV News yesterday for why it has taken so long to get to the point
00:07:19.780 where we're even doing this on a pipeline when previously it wasn't considered in the national
00:07:24.220 interest and then suddenly this year it is part of the national interest why should canadians trust
00:07:29.180 that um your government has their best interests at heart from a taxpayer's perspective and i asked
00:07:35.980 because a year or less than a year ago november 27 2025 the prime minister said if there is not
00:07:41.660 a private sector proponent there will not be a pipeline there won't be a pipeline was his exact
00:07:46.620 quote this is obviously a 180 completely different scenario why should canadians watching tonight
00:07:52.700 trust that what you envision will actually materialize yeah well look a lot i think as
00:07:58.780 canadians understand a lot has changed in the last year uh the world has become more dangerous
00:08:06.620 and divided uh we're in the middle of the worst energy crisis uh in the history of the modern
00:08:14.140 world as defined by the international energy agency that was all really brought on by a war
00:08:20.780 that had not started a year ago. We are in a very different world today. We are in a world where the
00:08:29.660 Trans Mountain expansion project was finished just a few years ago, ramped up to full utilization
00:08:37.100 much faster than people thought. That pipeline is now fully contracted to the maximum extent
00:08:45.820 allowed it's 90 of the utilization of that pipeline is fully contracted for 20 years
00:08:54.540 by international buyers um i can tell you uh earlier this week we had uh leaders of energy
00:09:02.780 companies uh in vancouver for the lng2 announcement and we had uh heads what i'll point out here that
00:09:11.100 tim hodgson the energy minister is kind of dancing around is one notice how he didn't say well of
00:09:16.140 course there's a private sector proponent there's pembina pipelines attached to it because again
00:09:20.140 it's such a tiny stake it really doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things and then he goes
00:09:25.020 on about how oh well you know a lot of things have changed and the world's chaotic and there's a war
00:09:29.180 going on there's an energy crisis and it's like guys this was all stuff that could always happen
00:09:35.100 you can't say oh i couldn't expect chaos happening in the inter like on the international scene i'm
00:09:40.540 I'm like, that's what's going on all the time.
00:09:43.320 Having not built anything up to this point is pure negligence.
00:09:47.600 And him saying, well, you know, with the Trans Mountain pipeline or the TransLink pipeline or whatever, that one only came online a few years ago.
00:09:56.560 And now it's already 90% contracted for the next 20 years of, you know, private energy proponents wanting to feed fuel through it.
00:10:04.580 And I'm like, yes, they might want to feed fuel through it.
00:10:06.720 The problem is many of them don't want to actually take the risk of putting money up to build the thing because of how unreliable the government is.
00:10:15.160 And that's something that they have not done a lot to push back on to increase the actual confidence of these companies.
00:10:21.700 They speak to them directly and many of them will still not actually jump on board.
00:10:26.520 I want to take you guys now over to the CBC roundtable that took place after yesterday's announcements.
00:10:32.220 And I think some of the comments here by Robert Fife on the panel are quite telling at the kind of long-term prospects of the project.
00:10:42.140 Again, I want the Pacific Link Pipeline to work.
00:10:45.800 Obviously, I do.
00:10:47.120 I'm just very skeptical of Mark Carney on his own actually pushing it forward.
00:10:51.640 I feel like after Alberta Premier Daniel Smith, if she gets another mandate next year in 2027 for another four years,
00:10:59.200 she really needs to start pushing on mark carney to get everything done faster congratulations on
00:11:06.400 owning a second pipeline everybody bob it's a designation but it's a commitment to billions
00:11:12.960 of dollars in public capital and accelerating a process to get things done by september why
00:11:17.360 do you make this move by mark carney today well look it's a very significant move um
00:11:21.840 And he's betting on, and I think it largely will turn out to be true, that there is a market for Canadian oil, given what's the instability in the Middle East and with Russia.
00:11:37.480 And we will really begin to see that once they put all the final touches in September.
00:11:43.300 And they also basically will open up – I wouldn't call it a bidding process, but it's an opening up so that companies can say, okay, we want to commit so much oil to this pipeline.
00:11:56.180 Yeah, open season is what they call it, right, where you bid on space.
00:11:59.300 And he's saying, look, but he's pretty confident that he's going to get those oil companies to buy or agree to put so much oil into this new system.
00:12:10.860 And I think it's a big moment for Canada.
00:12:14.340 It's certainly a huge moment for Alberta.
00:12:16.980 And it's going to mean a lot of jobs building this pipeline.
00:12:21.280 But more significantly, the amount of money that's going to come back to the governments, governments in general, about $20 billion annually, will make the government be able to spend more on terms of social programs and health care and all of these kind of issues.
00:12:37.140 Is it just me or is it that every time a liberal talks about something being economically good for the country, it always comes back to, well, it's going to benefit the government a lot. There's going to be a lot of government revenues generated by this pipeline.
00:12:49.320 But again, I don't like the idea that what we're doing is like pushing forward with a pipeline that no private company currently wants, because it's not because nobody wants oil and gas. It's because the liberal government with its industrial carbon taxes, with its clean fuel standards, with all of its endless consultation and red tape around energy projects, none of them want to jump on board at this point.
00:13:12.280 none of mark carney's rhetoric has gotten anybody but pembina pipelines who is going to make money
00:13:17.460 up front building it none of them actually want to be on board like on board building this thing
00:13:23.460 so our best hope is getting them like you know part way through we'll come back and say do you
00:13:28.240 want to be on board with it and the problem with all of our taxes is that many of them still might
00:13:33.200 not be interested because until many of these bad taxes and regulations are out of the way
00:13:37.700 it might not be that worthwhile actually contributing simply because oil and gas is
00:13:43.620 more worthwhile producing and shipping and being able to sell from other jurisdictions right now
00:13:49.000 because they don't put up with all the taxes they don't put up with the very high royalties
00:13:53.040 compared to other countries and because they do here it's a much tougher sell basically almost
00:13:57.940 all the work has to be done for them before they're going to be on board the 20 billion
00:14:01.960 years of gdp growth it's a hundred billion to governments by 20 oh but the gdp growth is is
00:14:08.600 the key here because that's where you take the money and you reinvest it yeah totally but just
00:14:14.600 direct revenue is just just clarifying for people at home but you know mia they are you know they've
00:14:19.880 given it the designation uh they've broadly got a route they still go to the indigenous consultations
00:14:24.680 they've got to get the off take agreements with the asian markets and they need the oil production
00:14:29.000 right? Because there's not a billion barrels lying around. So it's a lot to do in 11 months
00:14:33.040 and a pretty aggressive timeline there. Yeah. So shovels are nearly in the ground,
00:14:36.680 right? I mean, call me a skeptic. Pipelines are not have not been great. We have not been great
00:14:42.160 in this country of building pipelines in recent decades. It seems like the prime minister is
00:14:46.860 trying to put in place the rules and the situation to make that happen a lot faster than it ever has
00:14:51.520 before. But I think he is facing a lot of headwinds. You are going to see, I think,
00:14:56.320 some challenges from First Nations who were already today complaining that they had two
00:15:01.960 months to consult with the government about just the designation, about whether it would be a
00:15:05.640 designation. They didn't have enough information. This is not, that's not going to go, that's not
00:15:10.440 going to go away. This is, the Prime Minister is not necessarily very patient with some of those
00:15:15.620 kinds of consultations and that's going to be really interesting to see how he can maneuver
00:15:19.060 and overcome that because that has been one of the biggest issues and challenges for Canada in
00:15:23.400 the past. And wait for it. We're going to have a massive amount of legal challenges coming from
00:15:30.440 some of these bans, whether they have land title over the area or not. They're just going to
00:15:36.080 claim traditional territories and take the government to court. The big problem is when
00:15:41.700 they actually start trying to get to the port of Vancouver, because you may not know this,
00:15:45.920 but remember earlier this year, Prime Minister Mark Carney's liberal government signed over the
00:15:52.440 land title to basically the entire lower mainland to the musqueam first nations band
00:15:58.840 that means they effectively have veto over these new projects running through the land or at the
00:16:04.840 very least they could really push that in court for a very long time and based on the government's
00:16:10.440 own admission that they have land title which is ridiculous they actually might be able to block
00:16:15.160 the whole thing up no matter what it's kind of insane that we've allowed this to happen and i'm
00:16:20.120 I'm not agreeing with her on the idea that, oh, Carney's not consulting enough.
00:16:24.540 I think the consultation rules are ridiculous, but they're the consultation rules that the Liberals have been agreeing to all this time,
00:16:31.560 which means that their one-year aggressive plan to get it even on the table with the plan in order to maybe start actually, like, building this thing at some point,
00:16:42.140 That thing might start getting delayed further and further down the route as we have more and more challenges, consultations dragging on, environmental challenges.
00:16:53.560 This thing could be destroyed if the Liberals don't get rid of things like Bill C-69, Bill C-48, and other regulations that require these consultations and reviews to go on forever.
00:17:04.880 consultations with First Nations and Indigenous communities. So it's a lot to do. He is banking a
00:17:13.800 lot of political capital on this, but he's also very determined. Yes, and just for people at home,
00:17:19.520 the major projects office did consultations on the designation, spoke to, I think, 110 First
00:17:25.460 Nations groups, and they concluded the majority were not prepared to support the project listing
00:17:29.840 based on the information available. So they're not necessarily anti-pipeline. They just don't
00:17:33.800 know enough about this particular project the real consultations have to start now the duty to
00:17:38.120 consult as it's a on the honor of the crown as prescribed by supreme court precedent and other
00:17:43.620 things so this is the the consultation that really matters from this point on uh jd what do you make
00:17:48.640 of what we've seen here today well it's quite remarkable like 18 months ago the prime minister
00:17:52.340 was sworn in as a prime minister and now he's announcing a new pipeline project with daniel
00:17:58.580 smith and 18 months ago daniel smith was yelling at the federal government now she was applauding
00:18:03.440 if i'm going it's it's quite a dramatic dramatic change of tune i why do we keep praising him
00:18:09.280 because like oh it's been 18 months and look he's approving a pipeline i'm like if pier polio is the
00:18:14.040 prime minister wouldn't you expect that he'd probably be announcing new pipelines within like
00:18:18.160 a year or six months and they could probably get shovels in the ground in 18 months for that
00:18:23.480 pipeline but going back to the consultation thing as well when the fact that you you still have not
00:18:29.560 gotten bands on board and they want to basically kind of cross their arms and act like i haven't
00:18:35.000 seen enough i don't know if i'm going to support this thing like you're not going to support an
00:18:38.500 energy pipeline to the coast this is where the government needs to start playing hardball in 0.99
00:18:43.880 this country they're not going to because they're cowards but you just say okay indigenous band 0.92
00:18:48.900 doesn't want to support the pipeline and they're going to try and hold this thing up in court 0.74
00:18:51.980 well maybe next time you guys want help on some sort of a project on your reserve land or somewhere
00:18:57.800 else, maybe the government money just doesn't come in anymore for that. Maybe we just don't
00:19:02.280 want to support you because if you're not playing ball with us, we're not going to play ball with
00:19:06.160 you. But it seems like because of the woke ideology of the liberal government, they won't
00:19:10.660 actually make that move. And so I could see this thing being dragged out for like two, three years
00:19:16.520 and the liberal government is going to have the consultations as the excuse. And it gives Carney
00:19:22.840 a way of being Mr. Pipeline. I want to build pipelines, but oh my goodness, it's the indigenous
00:19:26.900 this band over here in the consultations holding us up because he refuses to play hardball against 1.00
00:19:31.440 them to get them to speed up but it allows him to never build a pipeline like his heart doesn't
00:19:36.680 want to do but at the same time he gets to pretend like he wants to by by pretending his you know his
00:19:42.020 nose is still to the grindstone still trying to get it done but anyways with all that being said
00:19:47.500 thank you guys for watching this video just wanted to do an overview of this big pipeline situation
00:19:52.680 the pluses obviously it's a plus if we can build the thing the negatives is right now not mostly
00:19:59.260 taxpayer funded and i really i'm just very skeptical that the timeline of this is actually
00:20:04.720 going to hold up i've never doubted that at some point a pipeline might get built but the problem
00:20:09.880 is when you're delaying it for years and years and years you get to the point where we should
00:20:13.680 have built two and now we've built one in the same amount of time and we're always lagging behind
00:20:18.900 what our production really should be for oil and gas
00:20:21.900 and how much our export should also be for oil and gas.
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