The National Telegraph - Wyatt Claypool - September 03, 2026


"Liberal Plants or Useful Idiots" What Is The Dominion Society? (Ft. Greg Staley)


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00:00:00.000 Hey guys, Wyatt Claypool here, and welcome back to the National Telegraph YouTube channel.
00:00:05.900 I've been wanting to make this video for a while, but I do not have the research time and skill in order to actually dig down on this topic.
00:00:15.160 It's the issue of who is the Dominion Society, because if you follow them for a while and you're an actual ideological conservative,
00:00:23.800 you'll notice that they say and do many things that don't feel compatible with conservatism,
00:00:29.020 Although, to many people on the right, their message may be somewhat appealing because they oppose immigration.
00:00:35.720 Well, which one of us doesn't oppose immigration?
00:00:38.300 Which one of us wouldn't be okay with deporting criminals and welfare cheats and all that?
00:00:43.400 So what makes them different from the average Orthodox conservative?
00:00:48.540 To answer that question, I want to bring in a favorite guest of mine, and that is Greg Staley, who runs Diverge Media.
00:00:56.660 and he's going to help us answer the question today is dominion society a liberal plant
00:01:02.240 organization or just a bunch of useful idiots how are you doing greg good thanks for the kind words
00:01:08.140 you know every time you hype me up and make me feel like i got a personal hype man so i appreciate
00:01:13.120 it well i really liked your video on the dominion society thing i'm just gonna let everyone know
00:01:18.440 that's going to be pinned at the top of the comments and i want everyone to go watch it
00:01:22.260 It's a 20 minute expose video, but I kind of want you to give us the nutshell version here of as you looked into, you know, Dom Sock, Dominion Society, what ended up kind of striking you as weird over time with the things that they said, who's behind it and the activities that they engage in?
00:01:40.820 Yeah, so I publicly compared the Dominion Society to the Heritage Front, which was a thesis operation under, they used an informant named Grant Bristol to kind of get names and triage a list of people and essentially know what the neo-Nazi movement was doing within Canada.
00:02:00.600 And I'm not inserting that Dominion Society is a neo-Nazi movement like the Canadian Anti-Hate Network would or pundits like that might say.
00:02:09.160 But for me, what stood out and I raised to Daniel Tyree and I raised to Greg Wycliffe was some of these background questions that they haven't answered and haven't been adequately addressed in any sort of way.
00:02:22.040 So I don't know if you want me to kind of go into some of that or.
00:02:25.160 Yeah. And just saying so those two are the founders of Dominion Society, correct?
00:02:29.920 Correct. Yeah. Greg Wycliffe has since stepped down since some of the stuff that came out
00:02:33.960 surfaced. And then Daniel Tyree is the other founder.
00:02:39.460 Yeah. And so maybe you can go into this topic through any point you want, but I guess maybe
00:02:45.320 the best thing to do would be to maybe tell the backgrounds of these individuals to, I guess,
00:02:51.780 demonstrate how odd it is that they ended up running what is, at the very least, a white
00:02:58.160 nationalist group on its surface like i know there are people out there like harrison faulkner trying
00:03:03.080 to like you know soften the image of dominion society but if you actually follow their posts
00:03:08.260 over time that's pretty much what they believe in yeah so the background questions are basically
00:03:14.640 when we get into daniel tyree we have to look into his dad and so there was some stuff that
00:03:19.200 came up there um most the thing that popped out most to me and i talk about this in the video was
00:03:25.060 his dad was actually referenced in our comments debate by his MP who had talked to him because
00:03:32.040 his dad was in one of the towers during 9-11. So obviously there's this big cultural debate and big
00:03:39.220 talk about racism and different things about multiculturalism all stemming from what happened
00:03:43.900 during 9-11. And so apparently Daniel's dad was completely for multicultural society. He was
00:03:51.540 concerned about protecting it. And he specifically raised this, that he was concerned about backlash
00:03:58.080 against his Muslim friend based on race. So that to me, I'm going, okay, well, you grew up in this
00:04:04.000 household and those were the values you were raised with. And how did you come to differ so
00:04:09.060 widely from your dad? And why has your dad never spoken out about it? And then we get digging into
00:04:14.180 a little bit of his dad's history. He's a software developer, very good at his job. He's followed by
00:04:19.740 the likes of Bob Ray and Barack Obama on Twitter, which doesn't mean anything. It just says that
00:04:26.320 there's at least connection there and the possibility they could communicate. And then
00:04:30.520 we find out that in 2019, he did this podcast where he's saying that he worked for the RCMP
00:04:37.280 and he's worked for CSIS, Canada's intelligence agency, and that he had top secret clearance.
00:04:43.460 So again, on the surface doesn't necessarily mean anything. Software developer working in
00:04:48.420 those institutions would likely have to sign an NDA and get top-secret clearness to be able to
00:04:52.640 access what he needed to, but again, never addressed by Daniel Tyree. And then we go down
00:04:57.460 Daniel Tyree's kind of history, and he's a former anti-oil and gas activist, writes an article,
00:05:04.920 and I was just timelining it before we got on here. He writes an article for the Waterloo
00:05:10.700 Record that the University of Waterloo needs to divest from fossil fuels. 14 months later,
00:05:16.460 he's now yeah so that's presumably a far left position 14 months later he's now
00:05:22.400 the ppc executive director so it's like did you ever really adequately address that director of
00:05:27.700 communications or uh communications director or something like that or what i'd have to double
00:05:33.000 check but yeah he's involved in in some sort of capacity at the uh the higher end with the
00:05:40.060 people's party of canada and also when new parties are forming and you are getting an executive
00:05:44.940 position in them it's not that 14 months later he became that he was probably in discussions
00:05:50.160 four months leading up to that before he ended up taking that executive position again you don't
00:05:55.580 start a party and then pick your executive director or your communications director
00:05:59.360 you fill those positions preemptively to the party forming yeah there's a relationship like
00:06:05.020 presumably there was a relationship that led into hey we trust you enough to take this position so
00:06:11.100 like 14 months goes by from that position to being involved with the ppc and so that's never
00:06:17.020 really been adequately addressed in in my view he rebel news pressed a little bit on it and
00:06:22.760 he said that he was i can't remember the exact term it was something to do with he he needed
00:06:29.100 to do the activism to be involved or to get his credit which is just fundamentally false you don't
00:06:34.820 have to do activism to get any credit and then he said he was caught up in the climate sensationalism
00:06:39.340 But beyond that, I don't really understand how you went from presumably these far left positions, because I don't think you're just anti oil and gas, but also a right winger on everything else.
00:06:49.200 They seem, you know what I mean?
00:06:50.120 Like typically your belief systems form around certain ideas that are kind of core ideas.
00:06:55.420 And that was never really addressed.
00:06:57.100 And then when we get into the other founder, Greg Wycliffe, the reason he stepped down was that he was a radio jockey on 103.5 Pride FM, the LGBT radio station in Toronto, where for roughly two years he was the radio host for a show called The Quickie Hour.
00:07:16.540 which again not that there isn't people that are lgbt on on conservatives certainly are in on the
00:07:23.480 conservative side of politics but it's not typically a position of somebody on right-wing
00:07:27.760 politics to be in a radio position openly endorse it then he gets in our group who would
00:07:33.700 mock and ridicule somebody for you know for being gay which is why they throw out you know slurs
00:07:41.720 at people who are not even gay as a as a way of trying to basically attack and harass people so
00:07:48.860 that came as very ironic that greg wycliffe you know had that background and you would think
00:07:55.320 everyone in his own you know and then effectively everyone in his own group or significant portions
00:07:59.980 of them rejected him to the point where he had to step down yeah that's that's what it looks like
00:08:05.920 for sure like they it seemed like again you would think that it shouldn't be a big issue but in that
00:08:12.840 group in the dominion society obviously was a big enough issue that they kind of outed them after
00:08:17.660 that and then there is other stuff like he went in the digital media sales after that which tells
00:08:22.680 me he knows how to sell ideas and then he gets involved with the ppc he kind of gets notoriety
00:08:28.060 through the freedom convoy and then here we go again he's involved with minion society and so i
00:08:33.560 asked the question like is this the new heritage fund are these just extremely useful people
00:08:38.360 for liberal media liberal government and their allies to use as a bludgeon anytime somebody
00:08:45.100 wants to have a reasonable conversation around immigration reform around you know cultural
00:08:49.660 assimilation and the importance of that because now it's like a poison pill that every time you
00:08:54.420 discuss these things you have to contend with the rhetoric the racist memes of the dominion society
00:08:59.760 and getting lumped in those circles and it makes like respectable people get to the point where they
00:09:05.360 just don't want to touch it it actually has an opposite effect in my view of what they're claiming
00:09:09.120 they're trying to do yeah and most of their posts these days i find tend to focus on like hey here's
00:09:14.800 us at some event holding a red ensign flag and you know celebrating canvas history obviously they do
00:09:20.400 a lot of pr to look very moderate on the surface or look more reasonable on the surface i didn't
00:09:25.040 want to dig through a bunch of their memes but people can go back through and find lots where
00:09:29.440 where they're depicting deporting, the only way I can say it is a brown family and saying that we
00:09:35.280 want our future to be better, so you have to leave and all this stuff. And it's deliberately
00:09:39.880 provocative, deliberately leaving out context for why somebody would have to be deported from
00:09:46.200 the country. Again, their big watchword that they use is remigration. And I'd be fine with
00:09:52.740 deporting anyone who's a welfare cheat, who's not a citizen, someone who's a criminal, someone who's
00:09:59.140 an extremist somebody who is overstaying visas you could say i'm probably okay with deporting
00:10:05.120 more than a million people for being in one of those categories that that eminently qualifies
00:10:11.540 them to have to go back to where they had come from because they cannot sustain themselves in
00:10:17.100 canada they're living on welfare or they committed crimes or all these other things but remigration
00:10:21.620 is like the way that the dominion society pitches it is actually in many ways more intense than even
00:10:28.260 what other people in like european countries say and so ends up as you're saying disrupting what
00:10:34.100 could be a reasonable debate how do we enforce the law better and how do we get control over
00:10:39.940 our immigration systems but instead you have these guys doing what i would say is the equivalent of
00:10:45.780 just throwing a jar of pasta sauce in the middle of the room and that's just you know it's upsetting
00:10:51.540 and annoying and now everyone has to justify do you agree with them wanting to deport all indian
00:10:56.580 people and you're like no and here's my actual position but i think another interesting angle
00:11:02.440 of this is the anti-hate network and their sort of symbiotic relationship with organizations like
00:11:08.400 dominion society yeah that's i mean i'd be very careful about saying that the anti-hate network
00:11:14.620 is working in any way with them that's not what i would claim i would just say that there's this
00:11:20.080 convenient symbiotic relationship and that they have a convenient scapegoat now to lump people
00:11:25.800 in with uh on from the anti-hate side of things from the liberal media side of things and at the
00:11:32.200 same time the dominion society gets to reap the benefits of the attention and membership boost
00:11:36.820 that comes from that uh the financial boost that would come from that attention so in that way it
00:11:43.080 seems symbiotic like it's a symbiotic relationship and we're also in a time where um hate legislation
00:11:49.040 is being pushed online censorship is being pushed and so they you could argue that they would be
00:11:55.160 really convenient if there was a a boogeyman as it were on the right where they could lump in the
00:12:01.640 justification and say this is why we need these things so by the way neither of us believe that
00:12:07.060 you should be able to justify you know hate speech laws based on what dominion society or even second
00:12:13.100 sons say i can we can both dislike both organizations and say hate speech legislation
00:12:17.940 is ridiculous and you're allowed to say distasteful things you're allowed to say you know i think we
00:12:23.580 should remigrate all people from this country or whatever not nasty but it's not illegal and it
00:12:30.520 shouldn't be illegal but the other thing about the anti-hate network is the connection to the
00:12:35.860 southern poverty law center and maybe you can fill the audience in on who is the the southern
00:12:42.020 poverty poverty law center what kind of activities were they caught engaging in and what's their
00:12:46.820 connection with the anti-hate network of canada so the canadian anti-hate network will make it
00:12:51.500 exclusively clear in from my understanding that they have no affiliation with the southern poverty
00:12:56.800 law center however what they have asserted on the record is that they modeled themselves after the
00:13:02.980 southern poverty law center so what the southern poverty law center is is similar to hope i think
00:13:07.860 it's hope not hate in the uk there's these overlying threads of different countries with
00:13:12.480 similar organizations but southern poverty law center was viewed is viewed by many in conservative
00:13:19.000 circles in america is like a targeting arm to target right-wing pundits they have the hate map
00:13:24.200 but basically they got caught or they have been accused of rather um using finances to actually
00:13:32.360 fund the hate they were monitoring so allegedly over a million dollars used i think to fund like
00:13:37.880 a kkk uh leader of sorts that they were also actively monitoring that group so the nationalist
00:13:45.800 National Socialist Party, Nazi Party of America, their leader was on like apparently a payroll
00:13:53.380 connected to the SPLC. Obviously, you know, $20,000 wasn't going from the SPLC bank account
00:14:00.460 to these people, but it was usually money that was going to an SPLC affiliate was then
00:14:05.020 paying these individuals money, which why do you need to pay the money unless you're just basically
00:14:10.660 trying to sustain them in their activities so then you can keep reporting on them. But here's
00:14:15.200 actually one detail you may have missed. SPLC gave $25,000 of seed money to the anti-hate network in
00:14:23.040 order to get started. So it's more so they have modeled themselves on the SPLC, in part because
00:14:29.140 they've probably been in contact with the SPLC, been in discussion with them, saw what they're
00:14:34.100 doing, and wanted to do exactly that. Not that we can prove that they pay anyone in Canada, but
00:14:40.560 again it's this kind of sketchy line of or the this kind of sketchy origin point for the
00:14:46.840 organization yeah no it did come up in my research forgot to mention here but yeah 25 000 worth of
00:14:53.480 seed money was given by the southern poverty law center to the canadian anti-hate network
00:14:57.940 so yeah it shows again like does it mean anything on its surface no but it shows they have
00:15:02.360 communication back and forth likely to facilitate that and it brings about questions maybe about how
00:15:08.440 they've conducted themselves on certain things doesn't mean anything on the surface but we're
00:15:13.360 allowed to be skeptical right that's we're allowed to do that so yeah i mean there's lots of questions
00:15:20.460 the whole kind of theme of this video is like is it is it a controlled operation like grant bristow
00:15:26.360 on the heritage front or is this just an extremely convenient thing and i raised that in an original
00:15:31.120 tweet before I ever kicked off and did the video was, you know, I've had my, I've had videos
00:15:37.840 like struck down or throttled back where no one could see them. Like I have thousands of
00:15:44.040 subscribers and like 10 people would see it. And then people are telling me, I can't see your
00:15:47.620 videos. It doesn't show up in my feed. And so I asked myself the question, like, again, when we
00:15:53.220 talk about, is this just a useful organization for liberal media and liberal media elites and
00:15:57.760 the liberal government how did the dominion society get so much runway through social media
00:16:02.780 to build to the point where they're now recognized nationally uh if it wasn't convenient for people or
00:16:10.860 if it wasn't a beneficial thing for the people in power because when it seems like it's not
00:16:15.200 beneficial those channels disappear or you never hear about them so they've since i think had their
00:16:21.020 instagram taken down but that again they were at 30 000 subscribers or so so they reached a certain
00:16:26.860 point they were allowed to build but people complain all the time you can flag videos if
00:16:31.220 you get mass flagged it's easy to lose your channel as i'm sure you're well aware so how
00:16:36.340 did the dominion society get all this runway and i kind of questioned like were they getting help
00:16:42.960 maybe or somebody wants them out there and so wants this to be allowed and of course again we're
00:16:48.140 not arguing that it like you know instagram and social media platforms should be taking down
00:16:52.600 these pages it's more so given the environment of canada and social media censorship how is it that
00:16:59.400 these people are somehow not being targeted while like far more normal well not even far more normal
00:17:06.120 actual conservatives because i would argue when you actually look at these guys they're they're
00:17:09.640 pro communist party of china if you follow the postings of daniel tyree he literally was
00:17:15.240 celebrating mark carney going and signing his deal with china at the beginning of the year they are
00:17:20.840 very much oppose united states foreign policy and they are very much like oddly elbows up type
00:17:28.040 nationalist canadians but then they pair that up with their whole definition of you know we believe
00:17:33.560 in heritage canada for heritage canadians you know with being a mix of i guess you know english
00:17:40.600 scottish and irish and like french canadians or whatever that's like what the true canadians are
00:17:47.000 which is really funny because apparently daniel tyree is both part jamaican because his dad rob
00:17:53.920 tyree is jamaican and also apparently he's also partly albanian as well uh which is always very
00:18:01.420 funny as well again i don't care about that sort of thing but the funny thing is that or an
00:18:06.140 organization that apparently would really care about that doesn't care about that and how is it
00:18:12.320 that in all the media reporting whoever brings up rob tyree's dad except for independent media
00:18:18.000 creators like yourself maybe that's nothing but you think that would be an interesting angle
00:18:23.320 that the leader of a white nationalist organization a ultra nationalist organization in canada
00:18:30.720 has a dad who had blm on his social media pages for a very long time and nobody thought huh this
00:18:37.700 is an interesting human story a human interest story of why this guy's running that organization
00:18:43.960 and it never came up and my suspicion not that i can prove this is it feels like a journalist must
00:18:50.780 have thought this was neat or weird at some point to add into their story and you try and call up
00:18:57.360 rob tyree and i wonder if someone else gives you a call saying please do not call him you are not
00:19:01.860 allowed to investigate this just focus on dominion society on a surface level do not ask too many
00:19:07.360 questions about who these people are but maybe that's just crappy canadian journalists not doing
00:19:12.060 their work and not realizing it and they're just a bunch of useful idiots disrupting a immigration
00:19:18.220 debate by saying just a wildly extreme thing yeah i yeah exactly right like how did the media not
00:19:27.080 think this is a story hey let's talk to the guy's dad who's jamaican and see what his jamaican dad
00:19:34.020 thinks about the alleged white nationalist group, right? And see what he has to say on the matter.
00:19:41.220 Hasn't happened. No mainstream media outlets picked up on that. And it kind of reminds me of
00:19:46.100 something I covered years ago during COVID, anecdotal. But you talk about who's this serve,
00:19:52.840 right? So there was a guy named Lamont Daigle, who was running an organization called The Line
00:19:58.480 canada and leading protests through the street in toronto and thousands of people on the street and
00:20:04.800 then we interview him and he goes i want to drive my car through the cbc and yes i want to be violent
00:20:08.880 and tells us all this stuff it's like whoa get away from that guy so we we told all the organizers
00:20:14.980 you don't want to associate with this guy we're going forward with this story decouple and we
00:20:19.620 think you know during covid oh wouldn't they wouldn't the mainstream media love a story about
00:20:25.600 this guy that wants to be violent that's leading thousands of anti-vaxxers and whatever uh you know
00:20:32.640 people that didn't fit the narrative on covid through the streets wouldn't that be a great
00:20:36.680 story for them to cover because you think they'd be all over that i sent it to every major news
00:20:41.860 outlet i could think to send it to every newsroom not a single one cared i sent the video the trend
00:20:47.700 like they could have watched him say in his own words and verified who it was took all my credit
00:20:53.220 or all my work and credited as themselves and i wouldn't have cared not a single one wanted to
00:20:59.060 touch on it and i'm thinking back to this i'm like why is that and that was a hot story at the time
00:21:03.220 that they could find any anti-lockdown or mandate person saying anything they didn't like it was a
00:21:08.340 little off color someone told a bad joke it would be like front page news at least in that region
00:21:14.900 about how this nasty person is leading these lockdowns lockdown protests and but this guy actively
00:21:23.220 He might as well have been like, we need to go to the White House, but we need to go to the Capitol, we need to go into the Capitol. And nobody wants to talk about this guy saying, we need to go to the CBC and be violent or whatever he was saying that you said.
00:21:40.280 yeah he goes i want to drive my car through the cvc i go what like but so i bring up this parallel
00:21:48.100 to go why wouldn't they report on this other than when we did a little more digging after the fact
00:21:55.020 on who this guy was he's at this political conference just before covid kicks off where
00:21:59.940 he's with all these journalists and uh political staffers it's called the mankind project uh he was
00:22:06.200 with like another political or like so there's all this stuff you're like that's that's a lot
00:22:10.080 of red flags there seems to be a lot of questions this should answer for and you go why didn't they
00:22:14.780 want to report on what this guy was doing other than what came to mind now is that it was beneficial
00:22:20.720 to them at the time they wanted to have a group they could follow and triage people that might
00:22:26.180 be of concern to them in one convenient place i bring this up in tandem with the dominion society
00:22:32.460 to say isn't there all these other questionable things with the founders and their political
00:22:37.700 backgrounds and that they haven't touched on publicly that no one's reported on publicly
00:22:42.460 other than a handful of like independent people like myself and who does it benefit to have these
00:22:47.820 guys continue down the path and become nationally recognized other than the people that are in power
00:22:53.240 pushing speech laws pushing online censorship and who don't want this discussion around immigration
00:22:59.320 and cultural assimilation to happen and these guys have effectively poison-pilled the entire
00:23:04.480 conversation so that it's near impossible to have a real debate about it without being lumped in
00:23:10.240 with racist memes and radical rhetoric i also just don't understand how this isn't this is just
00:23:15.720 i'm not actually going down this rabbit hole with you right now because it's something it's
00:23:19.000 an open question that needs to be looked into more i wonder how these guys make any money
00:23:23.840 because their media doesn't make any money they have youtube channels and like rumble channels
00:23:29.060 that have very low viewership apparently you pay like 20 30 bucks or 10 bucks or however much you
00:23:36.060 need to buy a membership and get one of their pins in the mail which would cost them something
00:23:39.580 to send to you um i don't is there somebody giving them tens of thousands of dollars every year
00:23:45.480 even then you'd need quite a few of those people in order to have what it looks like are several
00:23:50.080 employees who end up organizing all this stuff you would have had daniel tyree whoever replaced
00:23:55.460 Greg Wycliffe and I think there was like three four or five core uh individuals behind it even
00:24:02.080 then I would I'd sort of like you know hazard to guess that this organization maybe could only
00:24:07.200 bring in a little bit more than six figures uh in a year and what it wouldn't be enough to basically
00:24:12.720 pay for these guys and it would be probably kind of difficult for them to hold down other employment
00:24:18.660 at the same time uh whatever company they would try and get a job they're also associated with
00:24:24.400 the dominion society so somehow multiple individuals at least two or three are able to
00:24:30.940 make a full-time salary doing all this stuff yeah it would i again i don't know what the financial
00:24:37.160 situation is and there's i mean you could definitely ask those questions too but it would
00:24:41.560 seem daniel tyree's working on this full time uh so he's either a maniac and working like insane
00:24:48.220 hours that most people can never sustain or this is likely how he's deriving an income i don't know
00:24:53.400 about the other people involved but again they seem to be very involved are they taking a salary
00:24:57.920 from it and uh living in ontario is very expensive so you need some good income if you're going to do
00:25:03.660 something uh full time like that because it's even if you're in a one-bedroom apartment it's
00:25:08.760 pretty pricey so you're gonna have to be making at least 50 60k even to live on your own and you'd
00:25:15.100 struggle to do that so there's lots of quite funny if rob rob tyree his father was paying for
00:25:20.600 everything not saying that that's true but it's more so like it'd be funny if he's still living on
00:25:25.000 you know his parents dime while he's doing all of this i actually don't think that's what's going on
00:25:29.380 uh but yeah it is to say that there's more questions here there's there's other things
00:25:33.540 that can be looked into that they have used a lot of bot activity when it comes to generating
00:25:38.240 social media engagement i've experienced that when they'll attack me and somehow the reply to
00:25:43.640 my post will have like 900 likes on it whereas their quote tweet with the same message on my
00:25:49.000 post which should in theory do better because it's a quote tweet that acts as its own organic post
00:25:53.640 will have like 50 which is very disproportionate uh and that's what a lot of these organizations
00:25:59.680 do they astroturf they try and look bigger than they are when in theory when in reality they don't
00:26:05.400 actually have a lot of organic traction that's why they like to do stunts where they gather 40 guys
00:26:10.680 in one location but if you follow their little events and their little get-togethers and
00:26:15.640 gatherings it's the same 40 50 guys at most every single time over and over again yeah i think
00:26:23.120 wikipedia reports their entire membership is 3 000 people so 3 000 people in a country of
00:26:28.500 40 plus million across all the problems well you don't know how many of those have lapsed
00:26:34.640 yeah and we don't know like again how active are those members are those people that just wanted a
00:26:39.520 pin and so they signed up and said i kind of support the the rhetoric and they pay 10 bucks
00:26:44.760 they get a pin and then they become a member or is it people that are actively going to volunteer
00:26:49.080 and you know that like doing politics if you have a hundred people that might donate to a campaign
00:26:53.620 how many of them are going to be boots on the ground for your campaign you'd be lucky to get
00:26:57.480 five or ten percent right and i think it's important to say at this point if you've ever
00:27:01.380 seen something dominion society said and thought oh hey i agree with that i really like that
00:27:06.360 know that dominion society daniel tyree greg wycliffe they're very good at presenting different
00:27:12.800 faces to different people it's more so again it's always the most extreme version that does matter
00:27:19.100 because we can't say well yeah they said that but they're reasonable elsewhere it's like the whole
00:27:23.680 point though is that when they feel like they can get away with it they will say much more distasteful
00:27:29.460 much more frankly non-constitutional things where they want like things like they want to be able
00:27:35.560 to strip citizenships from people who are not heritage canadians simply taking a citizenship
00:27:41.100 away from somebody for not being from the right country of origin which is not legal under our
00:27:47.320 current charter to do you would need to change the charter which again it feels like a fool's
00:27:52.200 errand to send people on let's focus on this thing that will never happen rather than common
00:27:57.620 sense immigration reform that not only every conservative could agree with but probably many
00:28:02.660 liberals could agree with and saying hey welfare no welfare cheats no criminals no extremists
00:28:09.400 and let's make sure that people overstaying visas are promptly removed from the country
00:28:13.880 so we don't have this big group of people who are already partly breaking the law,
00:28:18.540 running around, potentially committing more crimes or not paying taxes and all this stuff.
00:28:22.680 But if you've ever shared anything from Dominion Society, this isn't saying,
00:28:27.340 oh my goodness, you must be some white nationalist.
00:28:29.620 Again, they are very good at kind of, they'll sound like me when they go on something like Juno News.
00:28:36.660 Daniel Tyree was on Juno News a couple times, and I even agreed, I had even proposed debating
00:28:41.780 him because I knew that he was leaving out so much of what he actually believes.
00:28:45.640 He downroute sounded like it was the Wyatt Claypool show when he went on Candace Malcolm
00:28:49.700 saying, oh yeah, we need to get rid of people overstaying visas and criminals and welfare
00:28:54.960 cheats and all this stuff.
00:28:56.120 It's like, yeah, that's not controversial.
00:28:58.660 You don't need to create a whole new organization to advocate for what most people already agree
00:29:03.740 with.
00:29:04.080 it's the things you leave out like retweeting second sons which are full-on neo-nazis those
00:29:10.060 are actual neo-nazis and calling them loyalists and whatnot they're led by like jeremy mckenzie
00:29:15.460 and alex uh virgil or whatever his name is like that like the thing is that those are the things
00:29:21.440 that are sketchy about him the fact that he is amplified just full-on national socialists out
00:29:27.140 there the fact that he does post memes or it's depicting just deporting some random indian
00:29:33.600 family is inherently good and all this stuff that's the problem here so again you've ever
00:29:38.900 shared something some of the stuff actually is supposed to be widely appealing other stuff the
00:29:44.100 more sketchy stuff is the thing that we take issue with here that's the cap sorry just to close out
00:29:50.940 on it's the castle in the mode argument right it's yeah yeah yeah exactly so when it's in an
00:29:58.280 indefensible position we go back to the defensible position and ignore the other one but they're not
00:30:03.020 they're one in the same. You can't separate them out. And that's kind of the point when it's
00:30:07.740 convenient, they'll argue the points that most conservatives would agree with that need to be
00:30:12.160 addressed. The issue is it's inseparable from the other stuff. And now the conversation is that much
00:30:17.300 harder for conservatives to come along and say, this needs to happen. And I would bring up where
00:30:23.140 people really upset at the state of the immigration system when Stephen Harper was in power. I don't
00:30:28.780 think anybody was really making a lot of fuss or noise about it. So why would we be upset to go
00:30:33.700 back to the same system and to implement the same rules, regulations, restrictions that we had
00:30:38.980 before to deal with the problem to the degree it's legitimate? Instead, what we have is this
00:30:45.680 radical activism happening from the Dominion Society. And now those conversations are
00:30:51.140 intertwined. And I think that's the argument that Harper's, Harper era immigration is still too high
00:30:57.100 based on the current level that we're at now that you have to almost overcorrect a little bit
00:31:02.400 in order to bring you back to a good level. Again, you have to make sure people are leaving
00:31:07.200 the country who should not be here and restrict new PRs and student visas and TFWs to get it back
00:31:14.060 to a normal level to make it more like 2005 Canada again, where there's just not tons of
00:31:20.900 people who really have no business being here. They can't speak English, which is really funny
00:31:25.060 when you actually see a lot of Indian immigrants who don't speak English, because tons of Indian
00:31:28.900 people speak English, very good English. It's like the biggest language in India, English. And so
00:31:33.740 when you're having people come from India who don't speak English, it's because that person
00:31:37.380 probably couldn't get into a college there. But because you can scam your way into getting a
00:31:42.480 student visa and going to a very non-selective college in Canada by just paying a bunch of
00:31:47.460 money, that's what they're doing. But yeah, and so to basically map out what the problem is here,
00:31:54.600 too, because people can say, well, what's the big problem with them just having a more right-wing
00:31:59.920 position than you, even though I really don't think we're at their right-wing position? You can
00:32:03.300 have nasty rhetoric based on the issue of race and be left-wing. Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge were
00:32:11.140 not exactly very tolerant of Vietnamese people. That doesn't make them right-wing. They were,
00:32:16.200 in fact, as far left as you could possibly go. But the why this is disruptive is imagine if
00:32:20.780 you're an Alberta separatist. You're an Alberta independence guy. And at a meeting, suddenly
00:32:26.500 someone stands up and says, we should form a militia and start killing federalists. Or we
00:32:32.460 should go and storm the Edmonton legislature and occupy it until Alberta is free. Is that guy
00:32:37.420 helping and he's just a little too passionate? Or is he either a plant or a useful idiot saying
00:32:42.780 dumb things? If you want lower taxes and your organization is being associated or being
00:32:49.900 muscled out of the conversation by another organization telling people to not pay your
00:32:53.640 taxes. Let's all not pay our taxes together and we'll stand up to the government. Is that person
00:33:00.200 just passionate or are they potentially trying to derail the conversation with an obviously
00:33:06.780 illegal, undefensible position that we're just going to completely break the law to stand up
00:33:12.020 to tax rates we don't want? That is effectively what I'm going to say is like the spaghetti sauce,
00:33:17.500 this sort of thing that the Dominion Society does.
00:33:20.020 You're having a good conversation
00:33:21.500 and someone just hucks a jar of spaghetti sauce
00:33:24.140 into the middle of the room
00:33:24.980 and it's upsetting and it's disruptive
00:33:27.000 and we're no longer having the reasonable conversation
00:33:29.980 we used to be having
00:33:31.480 that everyone could actually agree to.
00:33:33.780 Anyways, well, thank you for coming on, Greg.
00:33:36.080 Hopefully I didn't ramble too much.
00:33:37.520 I'm always bad with having guests on,
00:33:39.080 but you're a good sport.
00:33:41.060 Just a reminder to everyone,
00:33:43.180 I've linked Greg's video pinned at the top of the comments
00:33:46.060 If you want to check out his investigation, there are other details we did not talk about here, like his conversations with Daniel Tyree and Greg Wycliffe in DMs trying to get some answers on these questions.
00:33:57.540 But is there anything else you want people to know, Greg, before they head over to your channel and watch your investigation?
00:34:02.980 If you don't want to watch the text, you can skip, I think, a minute 40.
00:34:06.380 Sorry, don't use copyright free music.
00:34:08.600 It's a lie.
00:34:09.180 but um no i asked these questions they've had two weeks to respond to me in any sort of meaningful
00:34:15.780 way the invitation to open debate is still open with these guys would be more than happy to host
00:34:21.340 a a public forum debate at this point like if you're interested in that and they ever came to
00:34:26.940 the table that'd be something i'd love to set up and have the conversation of what many conservatives
00:34:33.880 of are already advocating for which is a reasonable return to immigration and how to address
00:34:39.800 you know the problems that have stemmed from too much too fast and not being built the last so
00:34:46.200 that's it well absolutely thank you for having coming on greg i'll make sure to i'll make sure
00:34:50.600 to link your video at the one minute and 40 second mark like you uh like like you suggested anyway so
00:34:57.080 with all that being said though thank you for everyone for coming on and watching today uh
00:35:01.560 Make sure to like, share, subscribe, do all that great stuff and I'll see you all later.