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00:00:00.000 Today on American Glory, I'm covering interracial marriage.

00:00:04.100 What is it?

00:00:04.980 Is it sinful?

00:00:05.840 Is it permissible?

00:00:06.700 Is it good?

00:00:07.820 Or is it not advised?

00:00:09.460 All that and more, coming up right now.

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00:02:35.720 Welcome to American Glory. This is season three on The American Family. I'm your host,

00:02:42.300 Dale Partridge. This is episode five of season three, titled, Is Interracial Marriage Sinful?

00:02:48.540 Now, this season, I'm covering the history of the American family from multiple different

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00:03:50.640 newchristianright.com forward slash genocide. On that note, let's go ahead and begin.

00:03:55.980 many westerners and even christians argue that while god created two sexes

00:04:03.140 he created only one race the human race now in one sense that's true but scripture is explicit

00:04:10.660 that all humanity shares a common origin and dignity and we all descend from one man that

00:04:16.720 is obviously adam but race is also a biological and historical reality now the word race is

00:04:23.900 dealing with degrees of ancestral likeness. That's a very important definition. Race is the

00:04:30.100 word dealing with degrees of ancestral likeness. And this matters because we're not Gnostics who

00:04:37.100 divorce the physical from the spiritual and pretend that we're all the same just with different

00:04:41.960 melanin levels in our skin. Now, God gave us eyes and he gave us distinct genetic traits and

00:04:49.100 behavior patterns and phenotypes and skeletal structures. Now in the New Testament, the apostle

00:04:54.960 Paul and Stephen explicitly describe the Jewish people as a distinct kinship group, or they

00:05:03.700 actually use the word race in Acts 7.19. In the NASB 95 translation, Stephen says, quote,

00:05:10.180 it was he who took shrewd advantage of our race and mistreated our fathers so that they would

00:05:18.140 expose their infants and they would not survive end quote now the word race itself has a deep

00:05:24.120 historical root now it traces its origin from the old french word race which is about 1480 when you

00:05:30.860 start to see that and then it comes from the italian rasa which is from the 1300s and that

00:05:36.720 word actually is used to describe breed or lineage or family stock now the italian root is actually

00:05:43.380 further tied to the etymology of the Latin radix, which actually goes all the way back to ancient

00:05:49.780 Rome, about 75 AD, which means root. So this etymological progression proves that humanity

00:05:58.500 for many generations has possessed a word for this concept that we now call race. You don't

00:06:05.300 create words for things that don't exist. And so when these people say, oh, there's just one race,

00:06:10.740 the human race, well, why did we have a word for this for the past 2,000 years and probably

00:06:15.340 longer than that to describe this concept of race? In other words, race is real. It's real

00:06:21.400 in scripture. It's real in history. It's real in our experience. So to deny race is to deny

00:06:27.600 categories of peoplehood and genetic lineages that were created by God. And I think, again,

00:06:33.460 that word race is a helpful tool to describe those distinctions. Now, I think of it kind of

00:06:38.880 the term colorblind, right? Which was a virtue signaling phrase in the 20 teens that showed

00:06:46.620 people that you don't see any racial distinctions at all. They're all the same, right? And I get

00:06:52.820 the heart behind it, right? Is that you're not making judgments just on skin color alone. I get

00:06:58.540 that. But it was just a way to say, really, for the people that used it, I'm so superior and

00:07:04.260 progressive, and neutral that I see everyone exactly the same, even though there is clearly

00:07:09.700 distinctions between all of these different groups. Now, these are the same people who,

00:07:16.000 you know, that use this colorblind term or these people that there's one race, the human race.

00:07:21.460 These are the same people who, when they're crossing the street at night and they see a

00:07:25.480 group of young black men on the corner, they're actually going to cross the street. Now, and if

00:07:30.700 they don't cross the street, they're often the same people that are in the evening news because

00:07:35.960 they ended up getting mugged or beaten or killed because they were too afraid to be quote racist

00:07:43.000 or to make judgment calls based off of race. Now, again, we're not talking about the idea of

00:07:49.940 making judgment just based on skin color alone. No, that would be ridiculous. No,

00:07:55.280 we know that there are patterns of behavior with different groups of people. We can see that. We

00:08:00.500 watch the news. Now, I'm working on a book called God's Design for Nations, and my hope is that it's

00:08:08.760 going to offer a clear taxonomy of what race is, what humanity, how it's organized, offer a

00:08:14.740 distinction from a biblical perspective of what God's design is for ethnicities and for races and

00:08:20.800 for cultures and what that looks like. Now, my taxonomy for humanity, according to scripture,

00:08:26.820 and i think that this has been historically the taxonomy in most theological circles for at least

00:08:33.960 a thousand years if not all the way back even before the time of christ but um it's one mankind

00:08:40.700 so we all come from one mankind which is obviously in adam and it was subdivided into three macro

00:08:48.800 races descending from the lines of noah's three sons uh genesis 9 18 through 19 you can look that

00:08:54.920 up and from these three macro races of humanity come hundreds of ethnicities so there are many

00:09:02.040 ethnicities that come from each one of these groups and from those ethnicities come thousands

00:09:07.720 of distinct cultures and so while each individual ethnicity or people group can generally be called

00:09:15.480 a race maybe historically they might be the term in our modern socio-political context typically

00:09:21.080 refers to whites, which is coming from the line of Japheth, Arabs that are coming from the line

00:09:27.320 of Shem, and then blacks that are coming from the line of Ham. Now, as we know, there are lots of

00:09:33.840 white ethnicities and cultures. There are lots of black ethnicities and cultures, and there are lots

00:09:39.660 of Arab ethnicities and cultures. Now, just to offer a little bit of clarity, this is something

00:09:47.560 that's helpful for a lot of people that are new to this topic. Words like Hispanic is not a race.

00:09:53.380 It's not a macro group. It describes a grouping of multiple racial lineages. So you have white

00:10:01.000 Hispanics of European descent. Think about Argentina, Uruguay, even parts of Costa Rica,

00:10:07.400 parts of El Salvador, even parts of Northern Mexico. And then you have black Hispanics

00:10:12.940 of African descent. Think about the Dominican Republic or Cuba. And the same is true for

00:10:20.220 several major Asian populations. So Koreans and Japanese share ancestral lineages that are rooted

00:10:27.600 in the Japhethite migrations after the flood, making them, again, falling into that white

00:10:34.360 category as a macro race level. So again, the word race is the linguistic tool used to describe

00:10:43.620 related people groups. Generally in our context, it's black, it's white. You know, often people

00:10:51.260 think about Hispanic being an actual race. I would say technically it is not because again,

00:10:55.980 you have the black Hispanics, you have white Hispanics, but really biblically speaking,

00:11:00.000 there are at least three races, which again was Shem, Ham, and Japheth, those lines there.

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00:12:31.220 Now, my whole argument today is really rooted in Genesis chapter 9 through 11.

00:12:37.260 Now, in Genesis chapter 9, Noah's three sons, they stand as these kind of racial heads of a post-flood humanity.

00:12:45.520 And why do we make these distinctions? This is very important.

00:12:48.060 Because God assigns them different civilizational and prophetic purposes

00:12:52.860 that are connected to their genetic realities and their blessings and curses. So Shem was to

00:13:01.220 bring forth a Messiah. They became a very religious people, which is why the Jews and

00:13:05.260 the Muslims both come from him. Japheth was to be an expansive people who would receive the gospel

00:13:12.200 from Shem. So it says that Japheth will dwell in the tents of Shem. Every theologian, I mean,

00:13:18.060 the vast vast majority of theologians have always interpreted it that way now ham was cursed through

00:13:22.860 his son canaan for sexual immorality and his line was to be a the the civilizational servant of his

00:13:30.460 brothers and their descendants i did an entire episode on this titled the curse of ham last

00:13:38.060 season you can go back and check it out you can also listen to my debate that i did with samuel say

00:13:43.100 you can, I have a sermon series. Again, I do think that my book, which will be finished probably

00:13:49.720 about this time next year, 2027, I think it's going to be my best work on the topic. But you're

00:13:55.600 free to study in the meantime to understand some of these distinctions, understand what the, like

00:14:01.100 my opening statement for my debate with Samuel Say, I think was a pretty good reflection of where

00:14:07.540 I'm going with this, and the historical church understood these racial categories, at least

00:14:13.540 theologically. Now, this is the key to the tensions around interracial marriage. It's all

00:14:20.160 backing up into these categories in Genesis 9 through 11. Now, in Genesis 10, it's known as the

00:14:26.320 table of nations. God explicitly organizes people according to their ancestry, according to their

00:14:32.760 language according to their lands and according to their nation so those four categories it would

00:14:37.680 even go further i would even say liturgy which is the religion or loves uh what is kind of their

00:14:42.580 culture and their focus there but those at least four categories so you were a nation was ancestry

00:14:48.540 primarily um language uh lands and nation which would speak maybe to their government at that

00:14:54.760 particular point now historically nation the word nation is understood primarily as a the largest

00:15:02.300 expression of a genetic family. So it's a shared ancestry rather than just like a political border.

00:15:07.300 Now the Latin root nay comes from natus, which means to be born, which is where we derive the

00:15:15.000 words like native or natal. You know, like you have a woman is, after she's pregnant, she would

00:15:22.820 take, you know, postnatal care, or my wife had to take prenatal vitamins, right? This is again,

00:15:29.120 know, around birth. It's also for natural. And obviously it is the root for nation. Now,

00:15:36.060 historically, this was universally understood. Distinct people groups stuck together and

00:15:42.240 organized themselves according to not just their race, but also their ethnicity and also their

00:15:47.280 languages and also their borders and their lands. And this was natural order throughout all of

00:15:52.160 history, minus basically the last 25 to 40 years. Because even though after Hart Seller Act happened

00:15:58.540 in 1965 and there was flooding in going in the West and Europe, really we didn't see a massive

00:16:04.460 shift of interracial marriage or mass integration or lack of assimilation or mass migration really

00:16:14.260 until about 25 to 40 years ago. Even when I was a kid in the 1990s, we really didn't see, I mean,

00:16:21.300 still at that point, I think it was, I don't know, 80%, 87% of the United States was still white.

00:16:27.060 Now, modern multiculturalism and the leftist media have pushed a sharp departure from this

00:16:32.980 historical pattern that we see, again, throughout all of world history. And actually, we still see

00:16:37.280 in almost everywhere but the West. Now, I'm not talking about inter-ethnic marriage, okay?

00:16:42.660 A German man marrying an Irish woman, or an Italian and Spanish woman like my wife

00:16:51.640 marry me, an American of English stock. Okay. That's an inter-ethnic marriage because again,

00:17:00.020 we all, all of those categories would still come from Japheth. We're essentially still all white,

00:17:06.000 even though you might have, you know, the Italians or the Spanish might have different tones of skin,

00:17:10.160 but generally they come from the same genetic families, the same phenotypes, the same IQ levels.

00:17:16.680 a lot of those other things we'll talk about in a minute. Now, what we're seeing now is a

00:17:21.520 widespread global migration producing large-scale interracial marriage. At least, I mean, it's still

00:17:27.180 a vast minority, but we're seeing it at greater degrees as a result of this multiculturalism.

00:17:34.800 And so, you know, mostly, it's mostly black men marrying white women or Arab and Indian men

00:17:42.120 marrying white women. And there's obviously other organizations of that as well, but

00:17:48.200 it's pushed in almost every television show, every commercial, every advertising campaign.

00:17:53.800 And this is happening at scale only in the Western world. And we don't see this in Africa. We don't

00:18:01.200 see it in India. We don't see it in China. We don't see it in South America. It is a uniquely

00:18:05.560 modern Western matter. And it is worth asking, is this racial intermingling through marriage,

00:18:14.100 is it good? Is it permissible? Is it a violation of the divine or natural order? Should Christians

00:18:20.620 support it or should they oppose it? How should we think about it as Americans and how should it

00:18:27.200 inform the vision for the American family? So these are very important questions and I wish

00:18:32.040 I could do more justice for it. I will have an entire chapter on this in my book, but this is

00:18:37.780 just mostly just my kind of immediate notes on this particular topic. So let me start by reading

00:18:43.900 our church's statement on the matter. I pastor Kingsway Reform Church in Prescott, Arizona.

00:18:50.480 Now we have released several statements on cultural matters that are pressing the West.

00:18:56.180 And I'm not saying that this one's perfect. In fact, it's still pretty much in draft form.

00:19:00.460 We've been slowly making edits just to make sure that we tighten it up.

00:19:04.380 But I think it's pretty helpful, and I think it's a good start for our discussion today.

00:19:08.580 So I'm going to read it to you.

00:19:09.760 It says, quote, God made one mankind in Adam after the flood.

00:19:14.920 God distinguished mankind into three macro races and the sons of Noah, Shem, Ham, and Japheth,

00:19:21.060 not as mere skin colors, but as providential and prophetic offices with different civilizational

00:19:27.620 callings.

00:19:28.320 And I'm going to stop there for a second. When I say the civilizational callings, again,

00:19:32.940 when you understand my episode on the curse of Ham, you understand that Japheth has a particular

00:19:39.040 civilizational calling. We see that Ham has a particular civilizational calling, and we see

00:19:45.160 that Shem has a particular civilizational calling. If you look throughout world history, you see

00:19:49.280 those things actually play out according to Noah's prophecy. Okay, let's go back. From each of those

00:19:55.500 three races have come hundreds of ethnicities, languages, and cultures. We affirm that marriage,

00:20:03.140 biblically and historically, ordinarily stays within a race so that a people can pass down

00:20:09.560 and continue the civilizational work of providence and prophecy without confusion. Interracial

00:20:16.600 marriage is not sin, though it can become so through the deliberate promotion of interracial

00:20:22.660 marriage for the destruction of a people's continuity. Interracial marriage may also be

00:20:28.600 necessary in exceptional circumstances, yet it is not the normative or natural pattern God used

00:20:34.840 to fill the earth. Those who honor their fathers and mothers will want their children to receive

00:20:41.040 the people and inheritance they themselves were given. Interethnic marriage may carry

00:20:46.660 fewer civilizational tensions, but can still lead to cultural and familial complications and

00:20:52.820 therefore should not be treated as the biblical or normative ideal, end quote. Now, again, there's

00:20:58.440 lots of leeway in those statements. And when I talk about inter-ethnic marriage, you know, again,

00:21:03.840 it's not a massive deal of if, you know, you grew up in the same culture, you speak the same

00:21:08.260 language. You know, my wife has this Italian and Spanish background, but we grew up in the same

00:21:15.360 town. She's been here for multiple generations. My family's been here for several hundred years,

00:21:19.500 but we blended in quite easily. Where if you were in Europe and you had someone that speaks French

00:21:25.840 and then you were in Germany and someone speaks German, there is a little bit more of a cultural

00:21:29.140 barrier and a language barrier that you have to deal with. So race realism begins with this simple

00:21:36.760 acknowledgement that God providentially moved humanity into visible embodied distinctions

00:21:42.960 that are neither accidental nor meaningless, okay? It's not like an accident that God

00:21:52.120 visually distinguished us in different categories. This is part of God's providence and part of his

00:21:59.280 design of the mosaic of peoples across the world. Now, like I said earlier, these distinctions are

00:22:05.080 not merely cultural overlays imposed upon basically an otherwise interchangeable bodies

00:22:11.800 biologies okay they are visibly inscribed into humanity itself through yes skin color but facial

00:22:20.520 morphology and hair texture and skeletal structure and phenotypical characteristics and different

00:22:27.000 levels of hormones and different markers for aggression and different markers for iq all of

00:22:33.400 these things again historically functioned as markers of likeness of likeness or shared ancestry

00:22:41.320 and corresponded broadly to things like geography and climate but think about it again you had

00:22:48.600 cultures create because there was a groups of people that that liked one another because they

00:22:54.200 were genetically similar not just in uh the way they looked but also the way they behaved and so

00:23:01.880 god gave you know when it comes to say like geography right so yes certainly geography

00:23:06.760 plays a role in melanin levels and skin tones and all those kinds of things. And I think climate

00:23:12.840 also plays into that kind of reality as well as geography. But God gave darker pigmentation

00:23:18.740 to those nearer the equator and lighter pigmentation to those farther away from the equator.

00:23:25.780 Now, there's also, but there's also distinctions there. There are people in the equator

00:23:28.740 that are all over the world that are not having black skin the way that the Africans have black

00:23:34.440 skin. So there's some distinguishing characteristics there that you need to be considering. And again,

00:23:39.400 I'll talk more about that stuff in my book. It's going to take many hundreds of pages to really

00:23:43.500 work through some of this stuff. Now, in addition, these racial macro families show measurable

00:23:50.080 differences in average intelligence as measured by IQ. Now, people descended from Adam, or sorry,

00:23:58.420 people descended from Ham. These are primarily the sub-Saharan African peoples, though there are

00:24:03.620 others, some from India and even some from Northern Africa as well. But they have an average

00:24:08.620 IQ of approximately 70 to 85, and some even lower than that. I would even say on average,

00:24:17.480 it's probably lower than that. But people descended from Japheth, the European and white

00:24:23.680 populations, they averaged somewhere around 100, even up to, you know, on average, depends on

00:24:29.240 certain countries is 105. Now, people that descended from Shem, Middle Eastern, Semitic

00:24:35.280 peoples, you know, some Jews have higher IQs. Some Arabs are somewhere between Africans and

00:24:42.620 Japhethites. If you just look at, you can look up all of this IQ data and understand some of this,

00:24:47.260 but they often fall somewhere in between. Now, these intellectual differences also correlate

00:24:51.900 strongly with, again, with geography, with historical environments, populations near the

00:24:57.540 equator. They largely, you know, again, descended from ham and they lived for generations in

00:25:02.320 climates with basically like no variation in weather. So relatively consistent weather,

00:25:10.000 lots of abundant food, little seasonal pressure. And that kind of environment placed less demand

00:25:15.960 on long-term planning and complex shelter constructions, large-scale food storage

00:25:21.180 realities. And so they developed an outdoor life, which is more physical compared to the indoor life

00:25:30.280 that was had in the North, which develops more intellectual realities. And you start to get

00:25:35.640 music and architecture and sciences and mathematics and some of the other things that go on there.

00:25:40.200 And so these kind of micro evolutionary developments tended to really shape these

00:25:46.240 different IQ levels over multiple generations. It's actually why you have a huge population of

00:25:53.880 blacks that are professional athletes because they have the physical development there. It's

00:25:58.980 also why the vast majority of billionaires, the vast majority of Nobel prize winners are white

00:26:04.320 because you have intellectual realities there. Now it's not just geographical. Again, I would

00:26:10.580 root it back into part of this curse of Ham and what that looks like. How did that play out

00:26:17.160 civilizationally? I'm not talking about individual black people. I'm not talking about individual

00:26:21.020 white people. But as massive groups, I think there's more divine providence involved in that.

00:26:29.320 Now, by contrast, the populations, again, that are north, they're largely descended from Japheth,

00:26:34.720 and they face this kind of harsh seasonal change, long winters, and the constant need to plan ahead

00:26:40.540 and they're forced to develop these kind of sophisticated systems of food storage and

00:26:44.540 shelters and social organization. And so over time, this rewarded the traits, again, part of

00:26:52.060 this indoor world, technological development, you know, again, reading, music, all of the sciences,

00:26:59.760 that stuff. So I want to point out that this wasn't like an accident, but again, this is part

00:27:07.320 god's design he actually had the japhethites move up from mount ararat where noah's ark was was

00:27:14.520 landed all the way up to the caucus mountains the caucus mountains um were east of you know greece

00:27:20.680 and rome and the mediterranean and then they start shifting left or west i should say uh towards the

00:27:28.280 this the mediterranean era area and and so the japhethites as they kind of moved into those

00:27:35.880 coastlands of the mediterranean and that expansion was was good isaiah 42 4 says that the coastlands

00:27:44.600 wait for god's law and when the gospel moved west uh through greece and through rome and into europe

00:27:53.600 through paul's missionary so when you look back actually so you see they're they're moving out

00:27:59.660 all of these coastland territories that the japhethites and then paul's mediterranean coastland

00:28:05.140 missions. If you just like map out all of his missions, it's like all across the Mediterranean,

00:28:10.300 everywhere there. And so you can connect Paul's coastland missionary reality to Isaiah's 42.4

00:28:18.240 prophecy of the coastlands will wait for his law. And so Isaiah's prophecy was fulfilled in that.

00:28:27.340 And so was Noah's because again, Noah said that Japheth will dwell in the tents of Shem,

00:28:33.540 which is to say that he would receive his descendants, would receive Shem's spiritual

00:28:38.460 inheritance by receiving the gospel of Christ, which came by way of Paul's missionary work.

00:28:44.320 And so once you start studying it, the pattern is clearly divine. It's prophetic. It's incredible

00:28:49.900 when you look through world history. And I'm not the only person that's ever noticed this. There's

00:28:53.320 many theologians that have noticed these things in the 1800s, 1700s, 1600s, 1500s. And you start

00:28:59.800 to really connect even all of the European colonialism and all this stuff. It's just

00:29:04.020 really incredible stuff. Now, IQ is remarkably stable across generations and it's highly

00:29:11.660 heritable. That means it's passed down. And what that means is it cannot be significantly changed

00:29:18.020 through education or environment alone because it's largely genetic. And so the only way to

00:29:26.060 meaningfully raise the average IQ of a population over time is through intermarriage with higher

00:29:34.000 IQ groups. So for example, if a black man with an average IQ of say 82 marries a white woman

00:29:40.460 with an average IQ of 85, or sorry, of 105, their children's average IQ will typically fall

00:29:47.440 somewhere between in the middle, right? 90 to 95. Now IQ remains one of the strongest predictors

00:29:54.160 of individual and societal success, including the ability to, you know, have higher education

00:30:03.020 attainment, economic productivity, crime rates, long-term civilizational stability. And for this

00:30:09.840 reason, it's a serious consideration, not only for nations, but also for interracial marriage

00:30:18.180 and family formation. So people ask me often, they go, hey, Dale, would you allow your daughter

00:30:23.800 to marry a black man if he were a strong Christian? Now, my answer is no, and here's why.

00:30:29.780 So black men, we know just some great basic statistics, are just black men leave their

00:30:37.080 wives at a far higher rate. About 70% of all black households have an absentee father or not living

00:30:43.100 in the home. They have higher rates of physical abuse. Now, so those are just one reality. And

00:30:49.200 sure, if you have a high, you know, you know, a great Christian man, you're probably going to

00:30:53.580 eliminate some of those things. But those patterns are actually tracking with average IQ for the

00:30:59.560 black population. So even if you have a strong Christian man that's black, why would I still say

00:31:06.500 no? So again, before you decide that I'm crazy, just remember that our Christian forefathers

00:31:11.560 treated interracial marriage as illegal. They actually made what's called anti-miscegenation

00:31:18.080 laws, which were against intermarriage. Now, I'm not saying that it must be illegal. I don't think

00:31:24.720 that it should be illegal. I'm saying that it is not normative and not natural, because again,

00:31:32.340 natural is that you're thinking about that NA start, right? It's similar ancestry. It is not

00:31:38.260 natural. It is unnatural. And I would argue that in most cases, it's not beneficial. So if my

00:31:45.680 daughter, for example, had an average IQ of 105. And this great Christian black man has an IQ

00:31:53.440 average of, say, 90, which would be above the average IQ of black men in America. But let's

00:31:58.780 just say he has an average IQ of 90. My grandchildren may land somewhere around 97.

00:32:04.980 Now, their skin will likely read as black, not white. That's generally what happens.

00:32:10.820 And they will likely identify with the black population more than the white population.

00:32:15.380 That's also statistically true. If you have a mixed family, the children will have an identity

00:32:21.300 that will lean toward the Black population. So my granddaughter at, say, 97 IQ may then,

00:32:30.720 because she associates with the Black population, marry a Black man at 85 IQ. And again, that's the

00:32:37.240 American Black male average right now. And so my great-grandchildren are going to land around 90.

00:32:43.920 Now, that continues until the line is, again, no longer European, and the IQs have fallen

00:32:51.320 into the range that tracks with the average American IQ, but it even could go lower,

00:32:57.480 but it tracks with higher crime, with weaker civilizational outcomes. And again, these people

00:33:02.940 still might be Christian. They might pass down their faith, and that's wonderful if that was

00:33:06.640 the case, but Congo and say Kenya or Botswana, these places are over 90% Christian and they're

00:33:16.140 still third world nations. Whereas say like Japan, which is 2% Christian and is still a first world

00:33:24.920 nation. And so again, civilizational outcomes follow not just religion, though I think it is

00:33:32.060 heavily affects civilizational outcomes. I will say that civilizational realities or outcomes

00:33:41.300 or output is really connected to race. It's connected to genetics. And so it's not just

00:33:48.080 about skin color. And so I don't want that for my descendants. I don't want my descendants IQs

00:33:55.780 to go from say 105 down to 85 because that big of a drop actually has massive statistical

00:34:06.620 shift for civilizational outcome. And so again, it's not just about skin color, it's about blessing

00:34:13.200 my descendants with higher average civilizational outcomes. And again, this was normal language and

00:34:20.840 thinking for most of human history. If you could like read classic literature of Europe,

00:34:27.200 you'd constantly encounter phrases like, oh, he comes from good breeding or he's well-bred

00:34:32.320 or well-born or of good family or of good extraction. That's another phrase. He comes

00:34:38.660 from good European stock, right? You've heard, these are phrases that are real. Jane Austen

00:34:43.940 herself actually speaks of perfect good breeding in Pride and Prejudice. She also again mentioned

00:34:50.720 that that term good stock in her writings and so um interesting that we can actually see this

00:34:56.960 the same principle at work even in like the the animal kingdom so take dogs for example

00:35:02.000 um within the dog kind right dog kind there are many distinct breeds uh each with its own

00:35:09.700 characteristics we don't we don't say there's one breed the dog breed no we understand that

00:35:15.040 there's one kind, the dog kind, the canine kind. But some breeds are known for higher intelligence,

00:35:23.920 others for playfulness, others for strength and aggression, you know, protective dogs.

00:35:30.660 Most people would never deliberately breed, say, like a, you know, a German shorthaired pointer

00:35:37.660 with a pit bull. And they, you know, understanding that the result of the offspring of those two

00:35:44.220 dogs would likely lose the specialized traits of both of those parents. And, you know, that's again

00:35:51.420 what people would call a mutt in that world, right? Now it's considered taboo to acknowledge

00:35:57.580 that human populations also show real measurable differences in average intelligence and temperament

00:36:05.160 and behavior and civilizational outcomes. Now, so yeah, if you look at Africa, if you look at

00:36:12.020 America, if you look at Europe and you look at India, I mean, there are different realities.

00:36:16.760 Those places are what they are because of the people. The people produce the place. You cannot

00:36:23.340 disconnect the state of a place from the state of the people. And so the reason America was what it

00:36:30.160 was is because of the people. The reason Africa is what it is, is because of the people. We've

00:36:37.980 given Africa trillions of foreign aid. So we've, we've given people so much, these people so much

00:36:44.360 support and money, and it's, it's not changing the outcomes. They've had the gospel now for

00:36:50.200 nearly 500 years, if not longer from, from European missionaries mostly. And that has still

00:36:56.360 not changed the civilizational outcomes of the African continent. The same is true of other

00:37:02.180 nations. Yet again, we have Japan and we have parts of Korea and we even had pagan Europe

00:37:08.780 that was still producing strong civilizations, though they were on their way to hell prior to

00:37:16.720 having the gospel. So it is strange that we readily accept those distinctions with animals.

00:37:23.200 But again, when it comes to interracial marriage, many insist that we, again, are all the same,

00:37:27.220 despite what biology and statistics and history and scripture clearly show. And I say this not

00:37:33.820 to be like vulgar or rude, but to highlight just how deeply bewitched our culture has become by

00:37:41.500 the ideology of egalitarianism. We have what's called like racial egalitarianism, where again,

00:37:48.600 that idea of being colorblind, that we don't want to see any distinctions. But the reality is,

00:37:52.400 is that if you took, say, you know, 100,000 white people and you put them in Africa, they would turn

00:38:01.360 it from a third world country into a first world country within 100 years. And that's exactly what

00:38:06.460 happened with Rhodesia and South Africa and some of the things that are going there. You take those

00:38:11.920 100,000 people out of Africa and you replace them with 100,000 Africans, black Africans,

00:38:19.500 and that place will return to a third world country. And that is because there are very

00:38:25.180 important distinctions. These are not cultural distinctions, okay? These are genetic distinctions

00:38:30.920 between these. This is not just about skin color. This is about generational genetics

00:38:36.480 that have to do with the reality of race. They also have to do, again, with reality of Genesis

00:38:43.300 chapter 9, 10, and 11. Again, we've been trained to ignore obvious differences that every

00:38:49.280 generation before us readily noticed and openly discussed, we have the writing, we have the

00:38:54.700 first editions of these scientific discussions that are all throughout the, you know, 15, 16,

00:39:00.980 17, 18, 1900s. But these distinctions, whether they're physical or intellectual,

00:39:06.120 they function as providential markers of likeness and humanity's attraction to likeness

00:39:13.480 is not an effect of sin or ideology, but a feature of God's design. I'm going to say that

00:39:19.260 like, I want to just belabor that point one more time. Okay. Humanity's attraction to likeness.

00:39:28.140 It's not an effect of sin. It's not a sinful thing to want to marry within your race, within

00:39:36.060 your ethnicity, where you have people that look like you, speak like you, talk like you, behave

00:39:41.280 like you, feel like you, are very much like you. That's a feature of God's design. Likeness

00:39:47.940 fosters recognition and trust and social cohesion, which over time gives rise to shared

00:39:56.300 customs and language and culture. And so we see this in the natural world, right? Quails are found

00:40:02.080 with what? Well, other quail and robins with other robins. They're all birds, but there's a reason

00:40:08.140 for the old phrase, right? Birds of a feather flock together. And so this is natural because

00:40:13.100 visible likeness and patterns of behavior are similar and they attract one another. And so

00:40:20.100 this is natural, but we have been conditioned by globalism and multiculturalism and egalitarianism

00:40:24.960 to not see any distinctions between people groups, because if we did, we would essentially

00:40:30.260 be called racist. And so God designed us to be attracted to those who are most similar to us.

00:40:38.500 we find most peace, most familiarity with them. Now, historically, the idea of being attracted

00:40:45.240 to someone dissimilar was very rare. In today's world, it's often driven by a bunch of stuff. I

00:40:54.220 mean, it's often driven by sexual or exotic desires, some sort of perversion in some cases,

00:40:59.780 sometimes a way to dominate another particular race, or even rebellion against one's own

00:41:06.460 heritage. That's happened. I mean, even J.D. Vance mentioned in his own memoirs

00:41:10.980 that he wanted to deliberately marry into a particular culture because he was so frustrated

00:41:18.120 with his own or his own heritage. And so this happens. And when that happens, I do believe

00:41:24.400 that is sinful. Now, this is why outside of our very modern Western moment, nations throughout

00:41:32.000 history have been populated almost entirely by people who share the same ancestry and likeness,

00:41:39.920 not only in culture, but also invisible traits. They actually look similar to one another.

00:41:45.620 You know, it's like when you go to, you know, the Asian community and to someone who's not Asian,

00:41:51.780 they look very similar to one another. There's even funny jokes. You've probably seen the funny

00:41:56.880 meme. I wish I could maybe put it up here, but it shows an Asian boy and he says, dad, people say

00:42:03.060 that we all look alike. And the dad says, I'm not your dad. And so it's a funny thing to people that

00:42:10.240 are not Asian because we struggle to see those distinctions. But when you are Asian, I have a

00:42:17.760 few friends that are Asian that joke about this as well. And they say that you can actually see

00:42:21.500 those distinctions. The same thing is true even with the black population. It's just struggle for

00:42:25.800 white people to see the differences in tribal realities in Africa. But again, these are not

00:42:31.040 just cultural overlays that make us different. These are biological, patternistic behaviors,

00:42:37.240 feelings, hormones, genetics, belief systems, all of those things that are there.

00:42:43.900 Now, even today in societies that officially celebrate multiculturalism, we actually see

00:42:49.500 voluntary self-segregation is actually higher than it was before we had segregation laws.

00:42:55.160 And so everywhere we have neighborhoods and friendships and churches and marriages that

00:43:01.080 demonstrate that we actually prefer to be around people that are familiar to us, that look like us,

00:43:07.740 rather than multiculturalism. As much as they want to push that on us, generally speaking,

00:43:14.720 white people hang out with white people, black people hang out with black people.

00:43:18.200 It's why we have black neighborhoods and white neighborhoods. It's why we have Hispanic

00:43:22.080 neighborhoods and Chinatowns and Koreatowns. And we have Dearborn, Michigan, where the Arabs are

00:43:27.100 trying to take over our land. And we have, again, black churches that are, we have Hispanic

00:43:36.660 churches, we have Korean churches, all of those things. So some of these communities are shaped

00:43:41.820 by shared religion or national origin, but all of them are sustained by genetic similarity.

00:43:52.080 Okay. Skin color, likeness, right? Shared background. They have the same kind of

00:44:00.400 human preference for familiarity of one another. And so to speak of marriage as merely just kind

00:44:07.720 of like, well, you know, the differences are just intercultural while denying the significance of

00:44:13.220 the physical or visible likeness ignores kind of this embodied dimension that God has created.

00:44:20.360 It makes us Gnostic. Again, we have to see the physical and the spiritual. We can see the

00:44:27.180 physical and the cultural. And so again, the cultural is downstream from the genetic. And

00:44:35.440 those things are very important. So you're not just marrying somebody with a different culture,

00:44:39.700 you're marrying someone with different genetics that produces a different culture.

00:44:42.760 And so, yes, race is not the whole of culture.

00:44:48.960 Geography plays into those things about culture and religion plays into those things about

00:44:52.740 culture, but it's not irrelevant to it either.

00:44:55.860 It is one of the providential markers by which God has ordered human societies toward coherence

00:45:02.640 and continuity and stability and peace and harmony.

00:45:06.300 I often tell people multiculturalism is just a synonym for civil war. We're seeing that in

00:45:14.500 France this week as I record this episode. We're seeing this in all the mass migration to Europe.

00:45:20.100 Multiculturalism is a synonym for civil war. It eventually produces civil friction and tensions

00:45:27.700 because you have different genetic groups that produce different behaviors and patterns and

00:45:34.180 values. And even if you have the same religion, you still have, again, black churches and white

00:45:38.780 churches, different things that are going on there. And so if it causes problems in a city,

00:45:45.900 it's going to cause problems in your marriage. Now, again, you can overcome these things in

00:45:50.760 Christ, in the city, or in your marriage, but it doesn't erase that those difficulties really

00:45:57.800 exist. And so there are ways to live at peace. And historically, it is because you stay within

00:46:04.500 a country, within your own race. And that has been, now there's always been, again, a degree

00:46:08.800 of immigration that the Bible allows and that nations have allowed. What happens is that when

00:46:13.460 you have, the Bible never allows migration to become demographic replacement or to create

00:46:20.060 essentially competing parallel societies within a particular nation. That is a form of national

00:46:25.380 theft, and that is what we are experiencing at large scale here in the West. So again, there's

00:46:30.620 lots going on here, but science and sociology further support my point. So studies in evolutionary

00:46:37.260 psychology consistently show that humans exhibit in-group preference. And this is just, you can

00:46:44.480 look it up anywhere. And trusting and bonding are more readily occurring with those who share

00:46:53.860 visible and behavioral similarities. And this is not like moral corruption. This is actually a

00:47:01.480 survival mechanism embedded in God's creation. So theologically, this aligns with natural law,

00:47:07.420 right? God governs human behavior, not only through explicit commands, but also through

00:47:13.140 the created order itself. He gave us the design in Genesis chapter 10. How do we organize a nation?

00:47:19.620 by ancestry. First and foremost, by language. We don't want to have competing languages and

00:47:27.340 signs in Arabic and signs in Spanish and signs in English. That is not according to God's design

00:47:32.460 and God's design is good. Land, we want to be in a particular place together for human

00:47:38.980 flourishing and peace. And then we want to have, again, all the other things, shared religion and

00:47:44.460 shared loves and shared government and all of those things. And that is why America was such

00:47:50.260 a successful place. We were part of the same racial family. Yes, we had that kind of, again,

00:47:56.860 melting pot phrase there, but they were melting Germans with Italians and Italians with Irishmen

00:48:04.840 and Englishmen. And it was, again, one racial family that were melting together through adversity

00:48:10.800 and shifted into one nation together.

00:48:15.300 They were intermarrying, but again, the same race.

00:48:18.080 So that functioned.

00:48:19.580 It does not function when you have Hindus and Muslims

00:48:22.660 and Christians and Africans and Indians

00:48:26.500 and different people from South America.

00:48:30.160 It just doesn't function that way.

00:48:31.640 And we're finding that out now.

00:48:33.960 I often said, yeah, I might've even said it

00:48:36.180 in the last episode or last couple episodes,

00:48:37.880 but multiculturalism, or I'll say this,

00:48:40.700 nationalism leads to wars between nations. So family wars, right? So you're having World War

00:48:47.260 I and World War II, nationalism created wars between nations, but multiculturalism creates

00:48:52.180 wars within nations. So you can, again, you can either have foreign wars or you can have civil

00:48:57.160 wars. You get to pick. In a fallen world, we're going to have wars. By God's grace, maybe they

00:49:02.740 will slow down as the gospel continues to permeate the world. But the reality is, is that you can

00:49:07.220 have foreign wars, you can have civil wars, and I think everybody would prefer foreign wars. Now,

00:49:12.160 scripture never condemns preference for one's own people. In fact, I would say it commends

00:49:20.160 that we do have a preference for our own people. It is certainly the model that we see throughout

00:49:25.280 the Bible. In Genesis, we see Abraham explicitly instructing his servant Eleazar to secure a wife

00:49:32.060 for Isaac from among his own people rather than from the surrounding nations, from the surrounding

00:49:38.920 genetic families. That's Genesis chapter 24. And Isaac gives the same instruction for Jacob,

00:49:44.580 and that's Genesis 28, one through two. So this preference is presented not as prejudice,

00:49:51.900 but as wisdom aimed at preserving a covenantal continuity, a shared customs,

00:49:56.360 shared, you know, familial alignment. And again, we also see the Apostle Paul speak openly and

00:50:03.760 unapologetically about his affection for his preference for, quote, my kinsmen according to

00:50:09.020 the flesh, end quote. That's Romans 9.3. And that's demonstrating that ethnic and familial

00:50:16.520 loyalty are, again, not erased by Christian faith, but they're rightly ordered by Christian

00:50:23.720 faith. Having preference for your own people doesn't mean you hate other groups. I don't hate

00:50:28.060 black people. I don't hate Arab people. I don't hate Asians. I don't hate Mexicans. I don't hate

00:50:31.940 anybody. But I'm not going to just be blind and say that we have no distinctions. We do have

00:50:38.840 distinctions, and they're stark in some dimensions. But in Christ, can we still have great friends?

00:50:45.400 Absolutely. I want an Africa that's Christian. And it's also African. I want a China that's

00:50:54.100 Christian and also Chinese. I want a Japan that's Japanese and Christian. I want an England

00:51:01.260 that's English and Christian. I don't want it to be Muslim. And so these are very important

00:51:07.320 considerations to think about when we're talking about interracial marriage, because they are

00:51:12.960 certainly connected to all of these things. And so God's work of redemption does not eliminate

00:51:19.380 racial distinctions. It redeems people within those distinctions. And scripture consistently

00:51:26.700 portrays salvation as gathering real peoples, by the way, okay? Tribes, nations, and tongues.

00:51:33.220 They're all going to be Christian. It doesn't mean the tribes, nations, and tongues are going

00:51:36.080 to not exist anymore. No, they are going to exist in Christ's kingdom. We're not going to collapse

00:51:41.640 all into sameness. No, we're going to have Christian Germans. We're going to have Christian

00:51:48.940 Haitians. That's a good thing to have that mosaic. And so Christianity orders and sanctifies ethnic

00:51:57.300 and national differences under the lordship of Jesus Christ. Well, again, modern globalism

00:52:03.120 seeks to, what it's trying to do is it's trying to seek unity by flattening differences and erasing

00:52:09.360 continuity. And so it's funny because they all say that they're pro-diversity,

00:52:15.520 but the greatest way to maintain diversity is nationalism, not globalism. So when you start

00:52:23.760 doing globalism, it actually erases diversity. It actually makes everybody the same. But when you

00:52:31.780 have nationalism, where it means you have familyism, right? When you keep those genetic

00:52:37.520 families intact with borders, with limited immigration to them, immigration that you can

00:52:42.180 assimilate through intermarriage over periods of generations. When you have that, you actually

00:52:47.120 maintain the mosaic of diversity of peoples all across the world. And so Providence itself

00:52:55.560 confirms that diversity is not a bug, it's a feature. Scripture actually anticipates a restored

00:53:01.880 creation in which distinct nations, if you read Revelation, they're actually bringing their

00:53:06.940 unique national glories into his kingdom. Revelation chapter seven, verse nine, he talks

00:53:12.500 about in 21, I think it's 24 to 26, that whole area over there. But we should want, again, an

00:53:18.980 America that's American and Christian. We should want a Mexico that's Mexican and Christian.

00:53:23.880 We want those things. All of these groups, we want glorifying God, not by abandoning their

00:53:30.760 inherited identities that, and gosh, I mean, this is also so connected to the fifth commandment to

00:53:40.180 honor your father and mother. There, there's something truly here. And I'll talk about this

00:53:44.300 more in a minute, but, but that's part of it. It's, it's honoring the heritage in which you

00:53:50.640 came from. And again, at the racial level, and then at the ethnic level, it's obviously less

00:53:56.620 consequential, but at the racial level, I do believe that it is significantly consequential.

00:54:03.140 And so we don't want to flatten God's providential mosaic of differences. That's not progress. It's

00:54:10.240 a form of unnatural civilizational chaos that has produced more chaos. I don't think that we can say

00:54:16.660 that the West is at more peace than it was 65 years ago. We had problems then. We were still

00:54:23.320 sinful then. We still needed the lordship of Jesus Christ then. But now we have completely

00:54:27.700 different problems. In fact, I was watching a news story about mammals, if they're put into

00:54:36.580 environments that are chaotic or distrusting or unfamiliar, they won't reproduce. And so it takes

00:54:47.520 a lot for mammals to have a lot of shock for them to not reproduce. And so when you realize that we

00:54:54.600 have collapsing birth rates here in the United States and all across the West, there are more

00:55:00.900 people, by the way, there are more babies being born in Nigeria, the country of Nigeria, than all

00:55:07.980 of Europe and Russia combined. But just that one, but what's going on in Nigeria? No one's calling

00:55:16.240 for diversity in Nigeria. Everybody is having mono-ethnic or mono-racial or homogenous societies.

00:55:25.400 They're black marriages within black communities. And no one's saying that they're racist for not

00:55:32.080 importing millions upon millions of white people. No, this is not what's happening. And so

00:55:38.680 we are seeing that as multiculturalism takes root in the West, it is actually producing

00:55:45.920 in us, there's an isolating factor. There's actually studies that have been done on this

00:55:50.720 that show that the more foreigners that are entered into a particular city or state or nation,

00:55:57.780 people start to pull back and they tribalize. They start to hang out with smaller groups

00:56:02.440 instead of really sprawling out into the city. Now, again, I agree that differences in marriage

00:56:08.960 are not created by skin color alone,

00:56:12.400 but largely by cultural factors.

00:56:16.140 That's generally, that is a big factor.

00:56:18.720 But again, I'm not going to dismiss the behavioral,

00:56:24.780 the characteristics, the genetic side.

00:56:26.520 That's very important.

00:56:28.000 You need to think about those things

00:56:29.700 if you are considering where are you gonna marry

00:56:33.720 and what would your parents say?

00:56:35.600 And parents, you should be thinking about this

00:56:36.820 for your children and for your grandchildren

00:56:38.000 and for your descendants. It's individualism that has forced us to stop thinking about our

00:56:44.000 forefathers and also stop thinking about our descendants. We only think about ourselves

00:56:49.020 and it is completely abnormal to all of history. Now, many children that are actually coming from

00:56:57.420 mixed race households have actually spoken about this openly, about experiencing what they call

00:57:06.140 in the psychological sciences, identity confusion. And they're unsure of where they belong

00:57:12.060 because they're feeling only partially accepted by either group. And so these are, you know,

00:57:19.640 these aren't imaginary struggles. They're well-documented human experiences. Sociological

00:57:26.740 and psychological studies published over the past couple of decades, you got some NIH indexed

00:57:32.360 researched on multiracial identity development, data from the UK Millennium Cohort Study,

00:57:39.040 consistently that are noting increased identity tensions, that they have these kind of external

00:57:46.600 labeling pressures and challenges of belonging in a particular group when they have this mixed race

00:57:54.080 situation compared to the monoracial peers in their life. And so in a sense, these children

00:58:00.960 to become national orphans, they don't know where to be. So, you know, for example, a Korean,

00:58:08.740 and identity matters, right? Like you, God gave us national identities. He affirms these things.

00:58:14.420 You know, in the Great Commission, Jesus says, you know, go get the nations, baptize them in the

00:58:18.000 name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. So the nations are Jesus's and we understand that

00:58:23.140 truth. And so to have a national inheritance is really good. It's a good thing. It's not something

00:58:30.720 to be squandered. You know, for example, when a Korean man in America marries, like say, a Haitian

00:58:38.060 woman in America, their children often grow up uncertain whether their primary identity is

00:58:44.860 Korean, Haitian, or American. And that's not good for national stability. And this confusion of

00:58:53.780 identity creates divided loyalties and civic instability. We're actually seeing this again,

00:58:59.740 you know, like Dearborn, Michigan. They were asking people, American news reporters were

00:59:06.960 asking Muslims in Dearborn, Michigan, if Iran attacked America, who would they support? Iran,

00:59:14.700 which is Muslim and Arab, or America? And they were saying they would support Iran.

00:59:20.260 Of course they would. Again, you're never going to get away from identity politics.

00:59:24.120 It's built in by God for our peace in a fallen world.

00:59:31.000 And again, you're going to have national wars, you're going to have civil wars.

00:59:33.440 You just get to choose.

00:59:34.980 And so for this reason, many nations throughout history until very recently outlawed or strongly

00:59:41.000 discouraged interracial marriage.

00:59:43.500 I want to think about this just for like, think about our nation is built on this concept

00:59:48.760 of you will have a trial, a fair trial with a jury of your peers.

00:59:53.860 Now think about a jury of your peers.

00:59:55.980 What did that mean when that was created

00:59:57.780 by the founders of America?

01:00:00.920 Well, we know that America had a law for naturalization

01:00:04.920 that only white people were allowed to be naturalized

01:00:07.540 in the United States.

01:00:08.680 And that was all the way until 1965.

01:00:11.200 I mean, obviously there was the heritage of American blacks

01:00:13.280 that came through after the civil war.

01:00:16.620 But what I'm saying is that up until 1965,

01:00:18.560 you couldn't have immigration from non-European nations,

01:00:21.740 except for like, I don't know, one or 2% of the immigration that came through there. Very,

01:00:26.100 very small. But now we have all this mass immigration and you have a jury of your peers.

01:00:31.760 So if you're standing there as a white guy, you're a white Christian man, and the jury is made up of

01:00:35.540 a Hindu woman, two black guys, a Muslim man, an Asian atheist, two women, all of these things,

01:00:48.080 you go, are these truly your peers? Is peers just their fellow humans? Have we dropped the

01:00:55.480 distinctions? Oh, just as long as someone else has a pulse, that is considered a peer. Well,

01:01:00.400 if that was the case, why would you even need to qualify that? Why would you need to say peers?

01:01:07.440 No. Historically, it was, if you were to be judged in America, you would be judged by other white

01:01:13.440 men, generally other white Christian men. And so you could consider a fair trial,

01:01:19.940 but now you have the identity politics that are playing into your trial at so many different

01:01:24.120 levels. It's just dangerous. Think about also like national security for a second. Let's just say

01:01:29.880 that you have, um, okay. White people seem to be the only people, not the only people, but there

01:01:36.380 are many people in the, in the military. We have lots of white people that are joined in the

01:01:40.540 military. But at some point are, are, you know, the, all the H-1B visas that are coming here from

01:01:48.520 India, are they going to, are they going to sign up and fight our wars? What if we're fighting

01:01:55.380 against India? Are they going to do that? What about the Muslims? Are they going to come and

01:02:00.480 sign up for our militaries? No, they're not going to. What about the Americans? Are we going to sign

01:02:05.240 up to fight wars, to protect Muslims and Hindus who actually hate us and are trying to steal our

01:02:11.080 land. No, this is going to create a massive problem. When you have mass migration and

01:02:18.540 multiculturalism, you lack national stability and continuity, and it makes you weak. And then

01:02:24.320 another nation that does have homogenous national cohesion is going to come in and attack us.

01:02:31.520 And they're going to create tribal wars. It's just, you got to think about these. This is

01:02:35.080 how all of history thought about this. And so no nation wants large numbers of citizens with split

01:02:43.840 allegiances. Even President Theodore Roosevelt warned strongly against this danger. His famous

01:02:50.900 1915 speech, it's called hyphenated Americanism. You should check it out. But he said, quote,

01:02:56.680 there is no room in this country for hyphenated Americanism. The one absolutely certain way of

01:03:02.440 bringing this nation to ruin, of preventing all possibility of it continuing to be a nation at all

01:03:08.120 would be to permit it to become a tangle of squabbling nationalities. We have room for

01:03:14.740 but one flag, the American flag. We have room for but one language here, and that is the English

01:03:21.500 language. And we have room for but one sole loyalty, and that is a loyalty to the American

01:03:28.320 people, end quote. That was 1915. That was like a hundred years ago. So Roosevelt understood that

01:03:35.640 a healthy nation requires a unified people with a common identity and undivided loyalty. And so

01:03:41.760 when citizens feel more attached to their ancestral ethnic group than to the nation they

01:03:47.540 live in itself, okay, the social fabric begins to unravel. Now, in addition to the children,

01:03:56.080 many grandparents actually have quietly expressed difficulty forming the same sense of natural

01:04:02.780 connection with grandchildren who do not resemble them physically. Again, they actually mentioned

01:04:10.360 that they're actually not willing to say this publicly because their fear of being accused

01:04:15.740 of rejecting diversity or being labeled racist. But this is a real thing. It's a real thing to

01:04:21.780 not feel. It's not strange to not feel connected to someone who doesn't look like you in the same

01:04:30.640 way that you feel connected to someone who does look like you. And so you got to work through

01:04:35.720 those things. We haven't been talking about that, but that was, I think, naturally understood

01:04:40.460 in previous generations. And so this matters also because it intersects with, again, the fifth

01:04:48.200 commandment, honor your father and mother, Exodus 20 verse 12, which again, I'm not going to get

01:04:53.800 fully into here, but sociological research on kinship and attachment has long noted

01:05:00.660 that perceived physical resemblance strengthens feelings of familiarity and continuity and

01:05:09.000 relational bonding across generations. And it's making, this is a human reality. It's not a moral

01:05:17.740 failure. You know, we understand our bodies and our genetics and all like we are, we want to have

01:05:25.760 that natural familiarity with our children. Now, this is the type of issue that I'm referring to

01:05:36.320 when I make claims that interracial marriage is not ideal. I don't think it's the ideal. I don't

01:05:43.060 think it's the norm. Now, they often come with additional hurdles that can make marriage and

01:05:51.700 family life even more difficult, right? Sure, again, those hurdles can be overcome by crisis,

01:05:55.120 as I said earlier, and they often are. But pretending that they don't exist, again,

01:05:58.980 is just naive. And so the reason many insist that they do exist is that any form of racial

01:06:04.560 preference is now, again, labeled racist, especially when it's expressed by white people.

01:06:09.240 but grace and the gospel do not require the denial of physical reality. And so a Christian

01:06:18.340 farm boy from Ohio and a Christian woman from Sudan, they can technically marry in Christ

01:06:24.460 and God may bless that union, but it does not follow that such a marriage is equally ideal

01:06:31.540 or equally free from the added difficulty as those Christians who married within their race

01:06:38.780 and their culture. It's just not. It's just like on its face, easy to see that you are going to

01:06:45.920 have more complicated realities, not just culturally. You're going to have two different

01:06:52.160 genetic families with many generations of genetic attributes that are going to be unfamiliar to

01:06:58.480 both sides. You're also going to potentially have different IQ levels and how that's going to pan

01:07:03.780 out. It's not just about attraction or sexuality. This is why arranged marriages existed. We've

01:07:11.060 made these things so individualized that it's all about us in the now and what I want to do

01:07:16.160 and because I think this girl is beautiful and et cetera, et cetera. And so that is to deny that

01:07:21.360 racial and cultural differences can affect how easy or difficult a marriage is and how natural

01:07:29.480 and harmonious or ideal it may be, you know, if you have familiarity or likeness. And so, again,

01:07:39.540 you have degrees of likeness, right? Again, so, you know, you have people in America, you know,

01:07:45.640 again, you have my wife with kind of this kind of Spanish-Italian, actually more Italian than

01:07:50.360 Spanish, but background. But we both grew up in the same culture and the same structure. And we

01:07:55.840 know kind of that, you know, our families have been in the same territory for, you know, many

01:07:59.620 generations. That's different. But again, if you have somebody from France and Germany, if you have

01:08:04.620 somebody from Haiti and Ireland, man, those are, you're going to have incredible tensions that are

01:08:11.920 going on there. So, um, you know, when people respond to like, all you need is Jesus, like all

01:08:18.060 you need is Jesus. Like, again, that's technically true. Like, yes, I, yes. And amen. Um, it's, I

01:08:23.780 think it's a cheap answer. It sidesteps the real tensions and the real pains that can arise when

01:08:29.360 unity must be achieved and forged across these kind of deep cultural and racial divides rather

01:08:35.480 than largely inherited through kind of shared history and shared likeness that comes through

01:08:40.860 monoracial marriages. Now, ironically, the harshest criticism of my positions is generally

01:08:48.100 these people that are against interracial marriage actually comes from, not from interracial couples

01:08:54.480 who have lived experience, but from white monoracial couples unfamiliar with any of

01:09:00.300 these difficulties. And their white guilt has thoroughly conditioned them to believe that any

01:09:06.040 racial preference is again, inherently racist. Now, to be clear, I don't believe that interracial

01:09:11.360 marriage is sinful. But I do believe, well, I'll say this. I don't believe that it's sinful,

01:09:17.880 but I do not believe it is biblically normative or historical. Of all the recorded marriages

01:09:24.800 in scripture, 95% are monoracial. That's a rough number. But think about Abraham and Sarah or

01:09:33.240 Joseph and Mary, right? About 4% are interethnic, Boaz and Ruth. Again, people like to use that as

01:09:41.300 an example that they were interracial marriage. They're not interracial marriage. They're

01:09:43.860 interethnic marriage. They both come from Shem and they lived like, I don't know, 80 miles away

01:09:50.480 from each other. They came from the same geography, the same culture. They understood the same foods,

01:09:54.600 all that stuff, right? Sure. Different backgrounds, maybe different religions, et cetera.

01:09:58.820 But less than 1% of marriages in the Bible are interracial. Yes, you have Joseph and Asenath.

01:10:09.000 uh you know again that's a unique exception because he's he's brought in there as a slave

01:10:15.180 um you have um solomon and rahab uh there's also again unique extraordinary circumstances

01:10:21.720 um but they are they are uh rare circumstances so if you're called to be a missionary to a foreign

01:10:29.940 land and you want to fully integrate for the sake of saving the nation for christ you may intermarry

01:10:35.700 Um, you, uh, you know, if you're a, say a prisoner of war and you're faced, you know,

01:10:41.220 kind of with a unique circumstance like Joseph, you may find out that you may need to intermarry.

01:10:47.720 Um, but it's different if you're like intermarrying with another race because of

01:10:52.500 self-hatred of your own heritage or aggravating your parents, um, or because you want to show

01:10:59.260 how accepting of diversity you really are. Uh, and that sounds wild, but it's actually quite

01:11:04.700 common. I've actually had people that have emailed me or messaged me over the last year or two that

01:11:09.800 have actually noticed that that was one of the reasons why they actually made their choice.

01:11:13.980 And they've wondered now if it was a sinful desire, a wrong or an incorrect motive.

01:11:21.240 And again, we saw this similar dynamic with the adoption of foreign children in the early 2000s,

01:11:28.440 where many white Americans didn't want American children. They specifically wanted African

01:11:33.940 children. And again, I'm not saying that that's bad. In many cases, it's actually, it's good,

01:11:38.460 right? Adoption is always good. But what I am saying is that we don't see that motivation

01:11:43.640 anywhere in history, which tells me that many people, again, especially whites,

01:11:48.820 have been conditioned by modern multiculturalism to not prefer their own people.

01:11:55.500 You know, Stephen Wolf talks about that white people are our own in-groups, out-group,

01:12:02.340 meaning that we actually just don't prefer,

01:12:05.780 like every group has in-group preference.

01:12:09.000 Blacks have in-group preference

01:12:10.220 and different nations,

01:12:11.880 Hispanics might have in-group preference

01:12:13.160 or Arabs or Jews have in-group preferences.

01:12:17.280 Whites don't have in-group preference.

01:12:19.120 In fact, we actually constantly push away our own preference.

01:12:25.620 I don't know if it's just kind of a masochistic desire

01:12:29.060 for honor.

01:12:29.960 I don't know if it's post-war consensus.

01:12:31.840 there's lots of theories behind that. If it's white guilt, whatever it may be, but they want

01:12:37.720 to prove that they're not racist, whatever it is. But we don't see that throughout history,

01:12:42.900 the idea of adopting foreign babies. Again, if you're a missionary and you went to Africa and

01:12:50.160 used to live there for a few years and you found this baby, like, yes, adopt that baby, for God's

01:12:53.980 sake, that is a good thing. But again, going like, there are kids that need to be adopted in your

01:12:59.940 own state. And instead you're going to like fly over and, and, you know, adopt other babies. And

01:13:05.320 again, I know the arguments of extreme, you know, if we didn't adopt them, they would probably die,

01:13:08.920 et cetera, et cetera. I get it. But I'm just saying it is a modern phenomenon and it's something that

01:13:14.580 we should at least examine our own motives and determine, was there anything involved in this

01:13:20.700 decision that was, again, maybe not even maliciously or intentionally, but were we

01:13:28.240 conditioned by our own culture to believe that it was important to demonstrate or to signal to the

01:13:34.100 watching world that we're not racist. And look, I can prove it. I've adopted black children.

01:13:39.280 I don't know. I don't know if that's, I can't examine your heart, but I'm just saying is that

01:13:43.140 I think that it's probably true for at least one person. I mean, I think it's true for a lot of

01:13:47.840 people, but I think it's probably something that it's worth at least examining. Now, what makes

01:13:52.320 this controversy even more revealing is how far our society has gone in denying the reality of race

01:13:57.380 and culture in the name of, again, modern egalitarianism. So prior to World War II,

01:14:02.100 my position was widely assumed rather than debated, okay? Even the Puritans, again,

01:14:08.000 the Puritans are, you know, they're celebrated across the Presbyterians, the Reform,

01:14:11.500 the Anglican traditions. Again, they viewed interracial marriage not just as imprudent,

01:14:16.820 but unlawful, okay? The majority of the 13 colonies had laws against interracial marriage.

01:14:25.540 and again while those laws were gradually repealed over time 16 states still had those laws on the

01:14:34.300 books during the supreme court loving versus virginia in 1967 and so whatever one thinks

01:14:43.280 of those policies today they reflect a near universal pre-modern assumption shared race

01:14:50.600 and culture were understood to promote marital stability, familial continuity,

01:15:01.140 national harmony, social cohesion. Everybody understood this. It's not even an argument.

01:15:09.560 So to be clear, I am not arguing for outlying interracial marriage. It should not be illegal

01:15:16.900 in my argument, in my view, but it should at least prompt Christians to ask why nearly every

01:15:26.600 pre-modern theologian, magistrate, scientist, anthropologist, church, society, institution,

01:15:33.020 approached marriage opposite to the way that we think about it today. And so for many faithful

01:15:39.400 Christian pastors and theologians, this perspective was, again, it was rooted in covenant theology and

01:15:45.760 understanding the fifth commandment to honor your father and mother. And it was historically

01:15:49.300 interpreted not merely as personal choice, but again, as covenant loyalty to one's household,

01:15:58.020 to one's lineage, to one's descendants, to peoplehood. So marriage was seen as, again,

01:16:02.660 a generational act, not just this private individual choice that affects nobody but

01:16:06.900 you and your spouse. That's a very important distinction. That's what individualism has

01:16:10.740 come in and done. So to honor one's parents included honoring what they had stewarded

01:16:15.340 across generations, which includes genetics and faith and customs and land and peoplehood,

01:16:19.260 et cetera. And so for a man whose family had lived within the same people for many generations,

01:16:24.400 marrying within that heritage was viewed as a part of honoring your father and your mother and

01:16:28.420 continuing the continuity and the homogeneity and the strength of the nation that he lived in

01:16:33.820 and that he inherited and that he had covenanted with. And so again, modern individualism,

01:16:40.000 multiculturalism have just basically shattered this kind of biblical understanding

01:16:43.600 by redefining honor as its personal autonomy rather than inherited stewardship. Now, in doing

01:16:51.720 so, what it's done is that it's essentially severed marriage from ancestry. And that's the

01:16:55.240 big point. It's severing marriage from ancestry and from lineage and obligation to those who came

01:17:03.460 before you and to those who are coming after you. Again, it's made it all about you. And as we wrote

01:17:08.920 earlier in our church statement that I read, if you love your racial or ethnic heritage,

01:17:14.040 you should not want to dilute that, or you should want to essentially hand that down to your own

01:17:20.240 children if possible. And I think that's a good thing. I think that's like a general principle

01:17:25.520 that you should consider. And so globally, this pattern also persists basically everywhere but

01:17:32.020 the West, right? Africa and Asia, the Middle East, their monoracial marriages are the norm,

01:17:37.580 okay? They're not just the norm, they're like overwhelmingly so. And not because they hate

01:17:44.160 other peoples, but because they share the visible likeness. They haven't been tainted by globalism

01:17:50.020 and multiculturalism. They share the same languages and all those things that we talked about earlier.

01:17:54.880 So for most of church history, Christians understood that marriage flourishes most

01:18:00.640 naturally where faith is shared, yes, but where the inherited structures of life are also shared.

01:18:07.160 So ancestry and likeness and place and languages and customs, when all those things are aligned.

01:18:13.640 And again, this was not treated as exclusionary or unloving, but as a sober recognition of how God

01:18:19.200 ordinarily orders human flourishing in a fallen world. If you want to go against God's, rebel

01:18:25.140 against God's design that he lays out in scripture, you can do that. And you can even do that as a

01:18:29.820 Christian. But I'm saying is that there is more harmony at scale, right? At scale. So, all right,

01:18:36.400 is it good for someone to mate all of, okay, is it sinful to have a horse and a mule mate? No.

01:18:48.000 Now, is it sinful at scale if you took all of the horses and all of the mules and you mated them?

01:18:54.140 Well, then you just eliminated two species through deliberate replacement. And I think

01:19:03.300 that's kind of what the goal of the globalistic world is, is that it's just this like intentionality

01:19:10.040 to try to produce a form of white genocide, which again, I talked about Joel's book that's recently

01:19:17.320 coming out. And so again, you know, yes, we live in a fallen world. Christ can and does overcome

01:19:27.840 areas where couples lack that racial or cultural or ethnic alignment. But acknowledging grace in

01:19:36.260 your marriage does not require denying the difficulty that has come through maybe not

01:19:41.120 marrying within your particular race or whatever distance maybe you went off into. And a lot of

01:19:47.700 people, they did. They grew up in a multicultural society in the West. And so I think that's why

01:19:51.880 this is a very relevant topic for this generation. I don't think that you should leave your spouse

01:19:56.760 If you're an interracial marriage, I think you should, if you're believers, you should love one

01:20:00.120 another and you should work through that, let Christ overcome those things. And I think that,

01:20:05.840 but it's a worthy discussion that Christians need to have. You know, wisdom, you know,

01:20:11.040 allows us to name kind of these real hurdles without questioning the worth of people that

01:20:15.060 are involved. Again, there's not any moral failure in a man or a woman seeking a marriage marked by

01:20:21.860 the greatest harmony possible. So yes, if you want to find a marriage that someone is closest to you

01:20:28.820 that comes from the same genetic family as you, I think that's a good thing. I think it's the

01:20:31.900 biblical model. I think that's correct and right. So the impulse toward alignment is not some sort

01:20:37.900 of betrayal of Christian love. It's an expression of wisdom. And finally, again, I just want to make

01:20:43.680 it very clear that none of this argument rests on the claim that meaning or value or dignity is

01:20:48.460 tied to race. Scripture is unequivocal that all people are made in the image of God, they're all

01:20:54.380 fallen, and they're all in need of redemption in Jesus Christ. And I'm not speaking of a hierarchy

01:20:58.900 of worth, but rather providential distinctions in history and geography and prophecy, and again,

01:21:05.680 more of the civilizational output and how marriage really is a part of this greater discussion,

01:21:12.360 and that we can't talk about nations if we don't talk about marriage, because again,

01:21:15.520 nations are just essentially marriage groups, large numbers and large quantities of those

01:21:23.320 marriages. And so faithful Christianity doesn't pretend that these distinctions do not exist.

01:21:29.680 It learns how to live rightly within them, ordering your loves and your marriage and your

01:21:36.080 family according to the gospel, rather than maybe the liberal left social pressures of the day.

01:21:41.660 So I maintain my position. Again, interracial marriage is not sinful, but it is not normative.

01:21:48.580 It is not ordinary. It is not encouraged under most circumstances. And especially it is not

01:21:57.380 good that it is being pushed upon us by the left for purposes of demographic replacement

01:22:04.800 and confusion in the West.

01:22:07.780 So that's a wrap for this episode of American Glory.

01:22:11.740 I hope it was helpful for you.

01:22:13.540 I know it was a lot, it's a heavy topic

01:22:14.840 and it's easy to be misunderstood.

01:22:17.240 I'm sure somebody's gonna take clips of this

01:22:19.140 and take it out of context and say that I hate,

01:22:20.940 you know, all different people besides white people

01:22:22.640 or something.

01:22:23.160 That's not the case.

01:22:25.140 And I hope that it's just helpful

01:22:26.520 for those that are honest seekers and skeptics

01:22:29.700 and wanting to understand this topic more.

01:22:32.160 I'm hoping that I can work on my book next year

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The NXR Podcast - October 06, 2026

American Glory - Is Interracial Marriage Sinful？

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