The NXR Podcast - October 05, 2026


CN Weekly - I Ask James Fishback Point Blank If He Would Endorse Byron Donalds

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00:00:00.000 If I came out tomorrow and said, I proudly endorse Byron Donalds for governor, you, your viewers, and the people who voted for me in Florida are going to think one of two things.
00:00:11.160 Either they've got a gun to his head or Fishback got the call and is now one of them.
00:00:16.420 I think that's entirely reasonable. You didn't pick, you know, 37 different items. You boiled it down to three.
00:00:22.480 Everyone's trying to find out who we're going to offer up our votes for.
00:00:26.220 How about instead we offer up our life for the one man who offered up his life for us, and that is Jesus Christ.
00:00:33.560 Amen.
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00:03:12.940 All right, welcome back to another episode of the NXR Christian Nationalism Weekly Podcast.
00:03:18.920 Today, we're going to be talking about serious politics.
00:03:21.540 We're going to be talking about not grifting.
00:03:23.440 We're going to be talking about actually winning.
00:03:25.600 I've been reliably informed that we win by winning.
00:03:29.100 And it's something that I said myself not that long ago during the 2024 Trump campaign.
00:03:34.660 You win by winning.
00:03:36.140 And we can't just be poor sports and take our ball and go home.
00:03:40.220 The irony, and it is a profound irony, is that the plan trusters,
00:03:45.300 that those who are very much committed to voting red all the way down the ballot,
00:03:50.640 no matter what, that they don't actually want to win.
00:03:54.140 At the end of the day, they are choosing their pride over results.
00:03:58.260 And so we have welcomed our friend James Fishback to join us for this episode
00:04:02.840 because here's the reality.
00:04:05.240 Byron Donalds cannot win if all of James Fishback's supporters
00:04:09.380 choose not to throw in their weight behind him.
00:04:13.160 and all those who didn't vote in the primary but were Democrats or Independents who would have
00:04:18.800 voted for James Fishback if they don't come out in the general election and vote for Byron. You
00:04:24.320 have similar things going on in Ohio when it comes to Vivek. You have similar things going on
00:04:28.540 with smaller races. When you think of Ken Paxton going up against Tallarico in my home state,
00:04:33.860 the principle remains the same. If you're serious about winning and you're mocking all of us
00:04:40.320 because we threw our weight in a primary behind someone that we thought on principle, on policy,
00:04:46.880 was the best candidate. And yet here we are coming up just days away from the general election and
00:04:53.120 you're still mocking us. And yet in the same breath, demanding that we be patriots and vote
00:04:58.960 for your candidate. You need to pick a lane. You need to eat a slice of humble pie and say,
00:05:04.920 you know what you actually ran a decent race your guy he wasn't that bad actually his policies made
00:05:11.260 a lot of sense we see that there are real constituents in on that side of the aisle
00:05:15.820 but that for whatever reason did not win it wasn't chosen we need this person even though they may
00:05:22.940 not be as good to cross the finish line because it's better than the communists and it's it's
00:05:27.440 time for a kumbaya it's time to come back home and we're going to treat you with respect we're not 0.88
00:05:33.840 going to force you to come back home and then also be standing on the front porch with a stick
00:05:39.100 beating you, beating your face in as we force you to vote for our guy. That won't work. The whole
00:05:46.740 image has been, we're the serious politicians. We're the ones who take it seriously. It is
00:05:52.200 profoundly unserious. Here in the bottom of the ninth, when you actually do have communists on
00:05:58.900 the ballot as a real alternative slated in some of the polls to win, and you still are sitting here
00:06:06.180 mocking someone who disagreed with you in the primary. You know, you're the unserious party.
00:06:12.680 You are the unserious people. So, James, welcome to the show. Tell us just on the ground what is
00:06:20.400 happening in Florida, what's about to happen, and what does Byron Donald's need to win? And I'm
00:06:25.420 going to press you. I'll go ahead and kind of prime the pump right now. But what would it take?
00:06:30.820 Is it even possible that you would be able to come back to the table and encourage all of your
00:06:36.700 voters, all those who look up to you, appreciate you and what you represented, what you stood for
00:06:41.840 and say, all right, guys, we need to throw our weight in behind Bayer. Well, good afternoon,
00:06:46.700 guys. Anything's possible. And the question is whether there is a will for any candidate,
00:06:52.520 Republican or Democrat to come to the table and hear out the very frustrations that our voters
00:06:57.960 were upset about, right? The idea that our homes are being bought up by Blackstone and Blackrock,
00:07:04.040 that our jobs are being shipped overseas, or worse yet, overseas workers are being shipped here to
00:07:08.860 replace us. But the very sovereignty, the very essence of what it means to live in America
00:07:14.020 is on the ballot. And so those frustrations have to be answered one way or the other.
00:07:20.380 They have to be reconciled. If they aren't answered, I can't imagine that the people, the nearly 200,000 who voted for us in a primary and the hundreds of thousands of more who would have voted for us, but weren't able to because they weren't registered as Republicans by the primary date, libertarians, independents, and so forth, whether they will actually get behind a candidate in time for the election, November 3rd. That's what's all up for debate.
00:07:43.360 Right. What would it take? You and I, we've talked about some of this offline, and you used this concept, and I think you're right, that every real endorsement is a mutual endorsement. It's not a one-way stream. It's a two-way street.
00:08:00.200 You even used as an example, and I think it's a good one, of RFK and Donald Trump and the 2024 broad coalition that Trump was able to bring together. It wasn't just that RFK exited stage left with being running in that race as an independent and threw his weight behind Trump, and Trump never said a word about it.
00:08:23.820 No, it was very much mutual. He came alongside Trump, but Trump, in the same way, said, you know what? I appreciate this guy. I appreciate the people that he represents, the principles that he represents. We're going to carve out a space for him. We're going to make this actually one of the distinctives and priorities of our administration. That's how it works. That's how the game, anyone who's serious, that's how the game is played.
00:08:51.540 And I'll be honest, I'm starting to get a bit annoyed by the other side of the conservative aisle.
00:08:58.600 It's one thing for them to disagree, but to disagree and then also feign some sense of sobriety.
00:09:06.720 We're the mature adults in the room.
00:09:09.600 We're the ones who actually know how politics is done. 0.96
00:09:12.440 Apparently, you don't, because Byron will not win if he continues just taking a crap on 200,000 voters who could come out.
00:09:24.460 Ron DeSantis, wasn't it 40,000 is what made the difference?
00:09:28.740 Is that right?
00:09:30.420 Exactly right.
00:09:31.760 So talk about this, this mutual endorsement.
00:09:35.200 If Byron was serious, what would he need to say?
00:09:38.540 Because you even said you don't want a place in the administration.
00:09:41.540 it's not about you, but it's about the people that you represent, the principles, what would
00:09:45.740 Byron have to say in order for you to say, you know what, still not my favorite guy in the world,
00:09:51.200 but freedom, liberty, virtue is on the line. The alternative is so bad, and he's made some
00:10:00.300 concessions. Give me an idea. Put some meat on the bones. What would that need to look like?
00:10:06.040 What would need to be, I would say, roughly three things, the first of which is a commitment
00:10:10.080 to no more foreign money, namely APAC, while he's governor. Number two, he would have to
00:10:16.540 announce an investigation and eventual elimination of the H-1B program as it's already being used to
00:10:22.680 employ people at state agencies and state colleges, but also further how state contractors,
00:10:28.100 people who are paid by the taxpayer to do state work, Microsoft, Amazon, Accenture, KPMG, that
00:10:33.680 they're not allowed to have H-1Bs if they want state work. And again, stand up for American
00:10:37.800 workers. I think lastly, sign the same pro-life pledge that I did when I ran the idea that if a
00:10:43.960 personhood amendment actually came to your desk, the equal protection of every life from the moment
00:10:48.580 of conception, that's what it really means to end abortion in 2026. Those are the things that not
00:10:54.980 just I would want to see, but my voters would want to see. Now, Joel, if I came out tomorrow
00:10:59.200 and said, I proudly endorse Byron Donalds for governor, you, your viewers, and the people who
00:11:06.340 voted for me in Florida are going to think one of two things. Either they've got a gun to his head
00:11:11.160 or Fishback got the call and is now one of them. And they're not going to believe it. It's not
00:11:16.500 going to look genuine. What looks genuine is what President Trump did with Bobby Kennedy,
00:11:21.300 not offering him a job. I don't want that. But not just Bobby Kennedy endorsing President Trump
00:11:27.680 in the 24 race, but President Trump endorsing and co-opting the Maha agenda without drawing
00:11:33.880 conclusion about whether that agenda has been successful or not. Ex ante, it was the right
00:11:38.120 thing for President Trump to do to bring on the Maha movement, the Maha priorities, and in turn,
00:11:43.380 the Maha supporters into that coalition, which inarguably helped President Trump win in 2024.
00:11:50.460 And so it's not whether I endorse Byron Donalds, it's whether Byron Donalds endorses a policy
00:11:57.340 platform that is unapologetically America first, that may at times be at odds with some of his
00:12:02.260 largest donors, but will help him win this election. And more importantly, will give him
00:12:05.900 the trust of Florida voters to have a mandate that he will need to govern in this first term.
00:12:10.800 Very well said. And I think that's entirely reasonable. You didn't pick, you know, 37
00:12:15.140 different items. You boiled it down to three. And I'll be honest, even the way that you
00:12:21.640 articulated that, I, you know, I'm like, oh, I don't know. That feels too low of a bar. I feel
00:12:27.820 like, you know, you might like, and in other words, what I'm saying is that's entirely reasonable.
00:12:31.780 You did not say that Byron Donalds has to come out and, you know, and say something extreme about Israel or that Byron Donalds has to come out.
00:12:39.820 You said, hey, you know what?
00:12:40.800 Maybe just be firm and give your commitment to saving babies, right?
00:12:47.000 And just don't take foreign money.
00:12:50.260 You've already taken a ton of it.
00:12:51.600 Just try not to take more.
00:12:53.280 You know, the millions and millions, that should do.
00:12:55.520 That should be enough.
00:12:56.360 You know, just try not to take more.
00:12:57.660 and maybe just make sure Floridians can have a job 0.96
00:13:01.800 and that they're not replaced by H-1Bs. 0.98
00:13:04.020 Super reasonable. 0.97
00:13:05.040 And the one thing I want to say,
00:13:06.080 I'm going to hand it to Wes
00:13:06.900 because he's got some great things to bring up
00:13:08.380 for this episode, this conversation as well.
00:13:10.500 But for all those who still, right,
00:13:14.080 they're still coming out,
00:13:15.320 even though they need your constituents,
00:13:16.900 they need the people that you represent
00:13:18.540 and they cannot help themselves coming out 0.97
00:13:20.640 and mocking you for being a grifter, 0.98
00:13:22.380 mocking me for being a grifter. 0.92
00:13:24.280 One of the main things that won me over to you, James,
00:13:26.900 because I'll be honest,
00:13:27.520 I had some of my own suspicions. I was like, I don't know. You know, part of me would like to
00:13:32.980 see this 23andMe test. Part of me is thinking this, and part of me is thinking that, and you
00:13:37.400 know, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But the reason why I was willing to give you the consideration,
00:13:42.080 the time of day, have behind-the-scenes conversations to be won over was actually
00:13:47.180 really simple. And it wasn't my base takes on Israel, and it wasn't my, you know, my position
00:13:52.480 on America first. It was literally my ingrained, I can't help this, right? I'm 40 years old. I'm on 0.62
00:13:58.020 the top side, older millennial. My entire life, and certainly my entire adult voting life,
00:14:04.740 I have always been indoctrinated by my boomer parents. God bless them. They're wonderful people.
00:14:10.320 And by my grandparents and aunts and uncles and everyone in my life, I've been indoctrinated that
00:14:16.940 the number one issue is the life of the unborn. And I remember, James, I remember watching you
00:14:22.060 early on, and this was the big thing, seeing it early on and seeing that it never disappeared,
00:14:27.440 when it could have been advantageous for you to let this one issue go. You're sitting there,
00:14:33.340 you've got the based Gen Z guys online following you, you know, you're chanting USA in the Waffle
00:14:38.920 House, you know, you're doing this, you're doing that, you've got the motion, you've got the vibes,
00:14:43.920 you've got Gen Z. Here's the deal, most of Gen Z, they do not care about the unborn, and you wouldn't 0.87
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00:16:52.060 just say we'll include it. You said, I'm going to be more overt, more outspoken, and more
00:16:58.720 uncompromising on protecting the life of unborn children than any other Republican candidate,
00:17:05.900 not only in Florida, but in my assessment and looking and comparing with it, than anyone in
00:17:11.560 the nation. I don't know any other GOP candidate that has had a stronger stance in an election
00:17:17.820 from start to finish, never conceding on protecting the life of the unborn than you did,
00:17:23.360 and even signing a legally binding document that would hold you to your pledge.
00:17:28.620 And for me, that was the quintessential item.
00:17:32.060 I got to know you behind the scenes, and so that's different.
00:17:34.240 Not everybody has a chance to get to know you or pick up the phone and talk to you.
00:17:37.780 But for me, those things won me over later on.
00:17:39.880 But the thing that made me give you the time of day from the start and think,
00:17:44.260 I don't know, I don't think if it's just grifting, here's what a grifter would never do.
00:17:49.980 He would never pick this particular issue that with all the other issues that draws in a certain demographic, this particular issue is not entirely popular, and yet you held to it.
00:18:02.620 And as a Christian, as a father, as a minister, my hat is off to you.
00:18:08.360 Wes, go ahead.
00:18:09.200 I was going to say, James, those other two positions, that one is probably not as popular within the Republican Party.
00:18:13.660 but when it comes to Israel and when it comes to foreign labor, you are decidedly on the position
00:18:18.740 probably of the entire party and most certainly younger constituents. I've got a poll here.
00:18:24.200 2018, July of 2018, net favorability of US citizens on Israel was plus 51. In that time,
00:18:32.120 in those seven years that have transpired since, it's gone to negative 23, a negative 67 point
00:18:38.340 swing in the overall favorability that Israel has viewed versus not. You are the one representing
00:18:43.920 that viewpoint. That is what the future is going to look like. It's going to look like a lot less
00:18:48.180 benefit, a lot less money, a lot less munitions to the state of Israel. Same thing on foreign
00:18:53.740 labor. You have the vice president of the United States coming out and saying the H-1B visa work
00:18:58.660 program is irreparably broken. We have to fix it. We have to start over from first principles.
00:19:03.740 So you're taking very popular positions with younger Republicans and almost in some ways trying to drag it forward and saying these are the issues, these are the battlegrounds that our popularity is going to be won on.
00:19:14.360 Join me and actually reach these young voters that could bring you across the finish line.
00:19:18.540 What you're asking for, the pro-life issue aside because that doesn't really matter because that's the morally right position, the other things you're asking for are what the future of the Republican Party must look like if it's going to win.
00:19:29.620 And that's right.
00:19:30.540 This is not out of the fringe at all.
00:19:32.440 These are common sense positions that are very popular in the party, but also quite popular nationally.
00:19:37.460 If you went and pulled Democrats on the streets of Detroit or New York City and asked them, oh, you work at Accenture, you work at Goldman Sachs, you work at Deloitte. 0.66
00:19:44.260 How would you like to be fired tomorrow and replaced with somebody from Hyperbat or Calcutta that worships Vishnu? 0.55
00:19:49.620 Of course they wouldn't.
00:19:51.140 And so this is something that actually would help not just get Democrats on board, but of course, Republicans as well.
00:19:57.620 And so that's the that's really, I think, the recipe for success for Congressman Donald's.
00:20:03.200 I saw that he held an event at the University of Florida a couple of weeks ago.
00:20:06.480 He had about 50 people there.
00:20:08.440 Mind you, we had over 500 people at our UF event in the spring.
00:20:12.460 That was the largest political event in a decade.
00:20:14.880 They're not there because of my charms and good looks. 0.91
00:20:18.280 They're there because we built a movement led by young people that says no to foreign
00:20:23.140 labor no to foreign money yes to saving babies and proclaims that christ is king amen well said
00:20:30.700 uh here at the end i want to um address one other thing and i want your take on it so
00:20:34.860 this is where i'm at um i think that there are many many races well let me start off i think
00:20:41.420 there are a few races where the republican candidate is someone that you could go in and
00:20:47.880 vote for with a sense of pride, right? I think there are many, many races. That's a few. I think
00:20:53.940 that Beau French, right? Let's give honor where honor is due. I like Beau French. I like him a
00:20:58.520 lot. I'm excited. I'm excited that for the first time in a little while, I get to go into the
00:21:04.860 voting booth in November in my home state of Texas and cast at least one vote where I don't
00:21:12.920 have to bring the clothespin for my nose, right? So I'm really excited about that. That's kind of
00:21:17.660 a rare occurrence, sadly, in our current state of political affairs. So there are a few guys on the
00:21:23.040 GOP roster that you can vote for with pride. There are many guys that you should vote for, right? I
00:21:29.400 think there's a moral ought, and I'm going to say it that strongly, a moral ought. You should vote
00:21:33.880 for them, but you got to bring the clothespin. It's, you know, it's going to be tough. It's going
00:21:38.500 to be a little stinky. And then here's the thing. This is the one thing that separates me from John
00:21:44.340 Doyle or Andrew Wilson, you know, or all, you know, Dinesh D'Souza and all these other guys
00:21:51.300 that we have so much in common, right? I don't hate these guys. I appreciate them. We have so
00:21:56.560 much in common, but this one thing causes them to relentlessly and publicly day in, day out,
00:22:02.340 mock me, which who cares about me, but everyone who listens to me. They're mocking all the people
00:22:08.160 that James, that Joel, that others like us represent that they actually need, ironically,
00:22:13.520 if they're going to win and they're mocking us for one difference and it's not a difference in
00:22:18.520 virtue or morals or in principles it is a difference exclusively in the realm of tactics
00:22:23.880 strategy and here's the difference few guys you can vote for with pride lots of guys you must vote
00:22:30.580 for but with the clothespin right it's a little rough but you got to do it got to be a patriot
00:22:35.300 get it done because the alternative is something we cannot stomach we cannot tolerate there are
00:22:40.720 communists beating down the door. Here's the one distinction where I'm at. There are a few guys
00:22:46.220 down at the bottom, and I don't think it's a ton, but they do exist where the Republican candidate
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00:23:32.000 we've got our sixth child on the way. We're in a border state of my children. I only got one boy.
00:23:37.280 They're all girls. So I'm very concerned about not letting the communists win, right? What they did 0.80
00:23:42.940 to Charlie Kirk, they want to do to all of us, right? They celebrate it. They mock, they laugh,
00:23:47.640 talking about leftists now. But here's the deal. As high as the stakes are, with so much on the
00:23:54.800 line and so much to lose, I do believe there are a few people on the GOP ticket in isolated races
00:24:03.020 that we cannot vote for.
00:24:06.780 Now, that doesn't mean, again, as a Christian minister,
00:24:09.660 I'm not saying, and therefore, go and vote for the Dems.
00:24:12.560 I know some guys have that strategy.
00:24:14.500 That's their prerogative.
00:24:15.840 I personally cannot do that.
00:24:17.440 With a clear conscience before the Lord,
00:24:19.060 I cannot go and vote for a Democrat.
00:24:20.660 But there are a few people that I will insist
00:24:23.860 and encourage others to withhold their vote from, right?
00:24:27.720 Voting either third party
00:24:28.800 or leaving that part of the ballot blank.
00:24:31.060 And here's, I think, a prime example. Vivek Ramaswamy. And the reason why is there are two
00:24:38.560 things, and a lot of people miss this, but it's vital. There is policy and there is precedent.
00:24:43.860 Policy and precedent. The policies of Vivek, I believe, are marginally better in some instances
00:24:52.180 than the alternative, Amy Acton, who is a Jewish communist woman Democrat. Not great. Not great. 0.86
00:24:59.200 So some of his policies are marginally better. Some are much better. A couple might arguably be worse, like some of his policies for H-1B visas. I think he actually might bring more people from India into the country. And he signaled this. I'm using his words. I'm not just saying because he's Indian. I'm not just speculating.
00:25:17.860 But by his own words, he wants to radically increase, multiply the population of Ohio.
00:25:23.600 And it's not just going to be native Ohioans getting, you know, getting in the mood, you know, and being fruitful and multiplying. 0.78
00:25:31.720 He's got some plans, and those plans involve importing people who are not compatible with the American tradition, our way of life, into that state.
00:25:39.640 In that sense, I think on policy, on that category, worse. 0.97
00:25:43.400 Others, marginally better.
00:25:44.880 Some, much better.
00:25:46.140 but there's another category that's policy the other category is precedent and and i remember
00:25:52.540 saying this all the way back um and my friends some of my my pastor buddies were were in sharp
00:25:58.620 disagreement uh but before it was clear whether or not trump was going to come back in and whether
00:26:03.120 or not he was going to be able to to be the the president and we're in the primaries you know and
00:26:08.340 trump was kind of out of the picture at that point he was all caught up in legal you know lawfare and
00:26:12.340 these kinds of things. You've got DeSantis. You've got this guy, that guy, and the other. And Vivek
00:26:16.380 is right there. And his rhetoric is pretty good, right? He's a pretty good speaker. And he's
00:26:20.740 holding the Democrats, you know, their feet to the fire. You know, be honest. Who are you really
00:26:24.740 going to run? We know it's not going to be Joe Biden. He was right about that, by the way. And
00:26:27.900 he's doing all these kinds of things. And there's a few, you know, based moments, as the kids would
00:26:32.240 say. But I remember saying to my friends behind the scenes, I said, here's the deal. Here's the
00:26:37.100 deal. We have never since the founding of our country, from George Washington all the way up
00:26:42.980 to Joe Biden, had a single president of these United States who did not at least publicly
00:26:48.100 profess. A profession is different. It's different to profess Christ versus possess Christ. But we
00:26:54.920 have not had a single president who did not at least profess that Jesus is Lord. And I understand
00:27:02.620 to people. Well, that's pomp and circumstance. It's mere pretense. It's mere pretense. Here's
00:27:07.940 the deal. G.K. Chesterton, he once said that hypocrisy is virtue tipping the hat, or I'm
00:27:14.480 sorry, vice tipping the hat to virtue. There is actually, in other words, something worse than
00:27:19.680 hypocrisy. The thing that's worse than hypocrisy is when your society, when your country is so
00:27:24.480 far degraded that there's actually no longer even a need for hypocrisy. Vice no longer even feels
00:27:31.580 the need to tip its hat to virtue. It doesn't even have to pretend to be virtuous anymore.
00:27:36.460 The fact that everyone who wants to be president of our country has to at least pretend, whether
00:27:41.820 it's Donald Trump or whether it's Joe Biden or fill in the blank, the fact they at least have
00:27:46.560 to pretend to be a Catholic or a Protestant or a Christian of some shape, size, or form is actually
00:27:53.480 a good thing. And it's something that we don't want to lose. And to bring in someone, not just
00:27:58.680 their ethnicity, but religiously speaking, who worships three million demon gods, who is a Hindu, 0.96
00:28:05.180 who does not hold that Jesus is Lord. That is the equivalent in precedent, not policy, 0.83
00:28:11.900 but precedent of opening Pandora's box. And when it opens, it never shuts. And you might get four
00:28:18.240 years of, we made the exception for this Hindu, but that's because he's a based Hindu. That's
00:28:23.120 because he's a Hindu who went to Catholic school. So he's only kind of Hindu, or he's, you know, 0.96
00:28:27.620 there's some kind of exception clause. But the problem is you open Pandora's box, but now you've 0.99
00:28:33.140 opened the door to all the other Hindus and all the other Muslims and all the other this, that, 1.00
00:28:38.180 and the other, and the next ones who will come down the pipe. They'll be infinitely worse. And 1.00
00:28:45.780 so I am of the impression that in an isolated, because this isn't federal, this is not national,
00:28:51.320 in an isolated state election that's deep red like Ohio, where Amy Acton, her hands will be bound
00:28:59.180 from day one. She will be very limited in the damage that she's able to do. She'll want to do 0.99
00:29:03.860 it. She'll want to do damage, but she'll be very limited in what she's able to do because of the 0.99
00:29:09.760 strong Republican presence in that state. If anything, she will very likely red pill and 0.99
00:29:16.180 radicalize the Ohayans, the conservative Ohayans there in those four years to where the rubber 0.96
00:29:22.340 band now snaps back harder than ever. But here's the best part. Hopefully, that will be the end
00:29:29.180 of Vivek Ramaswamy's political career. And he will exit the stage and go back to scamming boomers 0.52
00:29:36.920 out of money for miracle drugs or whatever he was doing before. So that the Republican,
00:29:42.720 and it will be a Republican after four years, mark my words, who comes in and takes Amy's spot,
00:29:48.120 will be a heritage American Christian, that's the biggest one, Christian conservative Republican.
00:29:55.160 And so my point is this. I think there are some races like that where although Vivek may be
00:30:00.980 overall, on the whole, better with policy, it sets a far worse precedent. The policy is temporary.
00:30:09.160 The precedent is indefinite.
00:30:13.300 And so that's where I'm at.
00:30:15.500 Number one, do you agree with that assessment that that kind of race does exist where we withhold our votes?
00:30:22.380 Do you agree that Vivek would meet that bill?
00:30:25.560 And then lastly, do you think the same should be applied to Byron?
00:30:30.580 And I'll show my hand.
00:30:32.760 I kind of don't.
00:30:34.660 I think Byron is a little bit different, but I want to hear from you first.
00:30:39.160 Yes. So go one, two, three. Yes, I think there are races where that framework applies. Yes,
00:30:46.340 I think Ohio is that race. And no, I don't think that race is necessarily Florida.
00:30:53.900 Say which one about Byron Donalds. He's a Christian, right? He's a Christian. Certainly,
00:31:00.300 he's fallen short. So have you, so have I, so is everyone watching, fallen short of the glory of
00:31:05.400 Christ. But at the end of the day, I'll take somebody who actually mentored young men in
00:31:12.080 church for a decade of his life versus someone who on camera in a town hall with Patrick Bat
00:31:18.440 David two years ago, told a woman that Jesus Christ is quote, not the son of God. This is
00:31:26.360 not someone who merely isn't a Christian. This is who someone who's gone out of the way to mock 0.98
00:31:32.000 christianity talking about you are saying publicly yes the fact if you are saying publicly that
00:31:38.780 jesus christ is not the son of god you are mocking christianity point blank period i don't care what
00:31:44.040 you call yourself republican or democrat we can never elect someone who mocks openly publicly
00:31:49.860 our christian faith so well said i'm all three of your answers for what it's worth who am i but
00:31:55.740 i'll give you my opinion nailed it that's that's what i was hoping to hear because that's exactly
00:32:00.680 how I feel. I wish it was you and not Byron. But given the choice, that's off the table now,
00:32:05.840 right? Politics is the realm of the possible, right? So you work within the realm of what you
00:32:11.260 can do. We're coming up to the general. You did not win the primary. I think you can win in the
00:32:17.380 future. I'm still very bullish on your future political career. But for this juncture, the
00:32:23.380 cause at hand. Byron's in. You're not. The alternative is terrible to Byron. The alternative
00:32:30.920 is terrible. And so then the question becomes, Byron's policies, would the policies be better,
00:32:37.820 just like Vivek, Amy Acton, Pera? I think they would. They wouldn't be as good as yours would
00:32:42.580 have been, but they will be better than the alternative, the Democrat alternative. But then
00:32:46.720 that question of the precedent, and that's where I put a Byron Donald in a different category from
00:32:51.000 of Vivek Ramaswamy. Has he taken a ton of AIPAC money? Yes, but here's the point. We're talking
00:32:57.580 about precedent. We have had the precedent of conservative politicians taking AIPAC money
00:33:04.300 for decades. That's why we're here, right? So my point is, is it good? No, but does it open,
00:33:10.220 does it set a new and terrible precedent? Does it open Pandora's box and take us to a realm we've
00:33:15.860 never been before where the game is categorically changed for the worst? No, it's just kind of more
00:33:20.420 of the same. It's just kind of more of the same. And the same sucks. It sucks. That's why you ran.
00:33:25.460 That's why it needs to be changed. It needs to be improved. But there is a difference in, all right,
00:33:30.420 there's three options. Better than the same, the same, and then worse. We don't want worse.
00:33:37.080 We'd like better than the same. Better than the same is no longer an option. The primaries are
00:33:40.460 over. So it's either the same or worse. The same is, that's preferable. Whereas in Ohio, it's not
00:33:47.880 the same versus worse. No, it's a Hindu anchor baby mocking Jesus. That is not your same old GOP. 1.00
00:33:58.840 No, brothers and sisters, that is something entirely novel. That is a door we do not want
00:34:03.480 to open as Christians, beyond being Republicans as Christians. Where did that go? I'm arguing
00:34:10.340 right now online with Christian ministers about this. So James, I'm super encouraged to hear that.
00:34:16.600 Is there anything else that you want to give to our listeners to leave them with?
00:34:19.800 A lot of people are blackpilled.
00:34:21.400 A lot of people who follow you, follow us, are discouraged. 0.99
00:34:26.280 We don't want, right? 1.00
00:34:27.460 I don't want to put words in your mouth, but we actually don't want our Gen Z followers 1.00
00:34:31.700 to just take their ball and go home, right? 0.52
00:34:34.040 Don't we want them to be patriots, Americans, get in the game, don't just play the status
00:34:38.580 quo and give your vote to everybody just because it has an R next to its name, but get in there.
00:34:42.900 There are good candidates, vote for them, consider them, be prayerful.
00:34:46.060 be participating. Work on their campaigns, phone bank for them, be active, be involved.
00:34:50.320 That's what we stand for, right? What do you think? Well, that's exactly right. And
00:34:54.960 I'll be voting in 30 days time. Will I be voting the exact way the party wants me to on every
00:35:01.960 single race? Will I potentially leave races that I have no moral conviction in blank? Possibly.
00:35:09.580 But at the end of the day, I think we have an obligation to be involved one way or the other.
00:35:14.900 And the fact that our generation and younger isn't just disaffected by politics, but is disgusted by politics is not a reason not to be involved.
00:35:25.420 In fact, it is the reason to be involved, to phone bank, to get involved, to knock doors, to tell your friends and family about the minority of candidates who actually share our morals, our vision, our platform for the country.
00:35:41.160 And there are a handful of them across the country, and I would be proud to get behind
00:35:46.520 them.
00:35:46.780 And I think your viewers would as well.
00:35:49.100 Amen.
00:35:49.620 Well said.
00:35:50.420 All right.
00:35:50.660 How can people keep up with you?
00:35:53.080 I'll be honest, like when somebody loses a primary, it's like they either disappear
00:35:59.120 forever or they start a podcast.
00:36:00.900 And I've been pleasantly surprised.
00:36:02.980 I didn't think you would do that.
00:36:04.620 But I'll be honest.
00:36:06.060 I was kind of thinking like, I don't want to see James disappear.
00:36:09.960 I also don't want to just see him be a podcaster.
00:36:14.020 Lord knows we have, I'm already in this business.
00:36:17.800 There's too many of us.
00:36:19.400 But the fact that you're still active, but it's not just podcasting, you're on a Senate floor or you're in a town hall meeting or you're at a university.
00:36:28.440 Coming to our state soon.
00:36:29.620 Yeah, you're in university.
00:36:30.900 Speaking to students has been so encouraging.
00:36:32.820 How can people keep up with what you're doing, get involved, those kinds of things?
00:36:37.020 Well, they can hear me at the Crisis King Conference coming up next month in your neck
00:36:43.360 of the woods.
00:36:43.840 That's where I'm going to lay out this vision that we are all part of for the country, what
00:36:48.880 it looks like for 2020, and what we need to do to take advantage of this particular moment
00:36:54.860 to save the country.
00:36:56.160 I hesitate to call myself a conservative these days because I look around and there's not
00:37:01.260 a lot I want to conserve for my kids. 0.93
00:37:03.960 predatory lending, H-1Bs, foreign workers, illegals, the rest, right? It's like walking 0.70
00:37:10.260 into an old abandoned home and there's broken mirrors and open windows and there's roaches
00:37:14.820 running all over the floors, which is perhaps an analogy for the border. But I wouldn't look at
00:37:20.500 that house and say, gosh, Joel, don't we want to conserve this place for our kids and grandkids?
00:37:24.960 No, we would want to restore this home to greatness. And once that restoration is achieved,
00:37:31.720 we would want to then conserve it for our posterity. And so what I think we need right
00:37:37.340 now in this upcoming election in 28 is how do we become the party, the movement that restores
00:37:43.420 America to greatness and then has a vision to preserve and conserve that? I can look at the
00:37:49.580 slate of candidates in 28. None of them really represent that vision. And so how do we build out
00:37:55.000 a vision, a campaign, a platform for 2028 that allows us to do that? And that's what will be
00:37:59.980 the focus of my speech at the Christ is King conference. And I look forward to everyone
00:38:03.700 joining us there. Honored to be there with you, Joel, and so many great others like our great
00:38:08.500 friend, Alex Jones, to participate in this conference, which is named after the most
00:38:13.860 important person. Everyone's trying to find out who we're going to offer up our votes for.
00:38:18.360 How about instead we offer up our life for the one man who offered up his life for us,
00:38:24.280 and that is Jesus Christ.
00:38:25.660 Amen.
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00:38:28.880 We are five weeks away, November 12th, 13th, 14th.
00:38:33.120 That's a Thursday through Saturday.
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00:39:01.080 today. So it is officially printed and now ready to ship. But this is our book, White Genocide.
00:39:07.160 I co-wrote this with Jordan Hall, my friend. And Wesley and I, our very own Wesley Todd,
00:39:12.060 we wrote The Prolegomena, which is a doozy. It's like on the audio version is 71 minutes just for
00:39:18.980 the prolegomena before you even get into the book, defining what race is and why race is not
00:39:24.140 everything. We're not racial essentialists, but it's also not nothing. We don't believe it's just
00:39:28.160 a social construct. God built a world. There are different peoples. The distinctions matter. Some
00:39:32.100 people are more compatible with America. Some people are less compatible. But the reason why
00:39:36.560 we title it genocide, that's a strong claim, and we bolster that claim and back it up with receipts
00:39:43.580 in the book, with the idea that it's not merely white replacement. But you can see by their own
00:39:49.980 admission, the words they are saying, the quiet part out loud, there are many different institutions,
00:39:55.660 there are many different individual people and politicians, that their goal is simply to 0.97
00:40:01.300 eradicate white people, the very posterity of those who built the country. And this is immoral 0.98
00:40:06.680 and egregious, heinous, sinister, and as Christians we should stand against it if any people group
00:40:14.300 Red and yellow, black and white, they are precious in his sight.
00:40:17.140 If anyone was trying to genocide any group of people on a racial basis,
00:40:22.560 that is an affront to the Lord Jesus Christ, the world that he created,
00:40:27.080 and it is gravely immoral.
00:40:29.800 So make sure to check out this book.
00:40:31.420 Wes, where can they go to get this?
00:40:32.980 Go to StopWhitereplacement.com.
00:40:35.280 You'll see links there for Amazon.
00:40:36.700 You'll see links to our website where you can purchase the paperback,
00:40:39.360 and you can actually purchase a signed hardcover edition as well.
00:40:42.700 just go to stopwhitereplacement.com. I was just going to say, I've pre-ordered it. I look forward
00:40:47.260 to it because this is the time when we have to speak the truth. And the truth is the genocide
00:40:53.920 that's happening in America, I'm sorry, it's not against black men in Chicago. They're shooting 0.98
00:40:59.220 themselves. The intentional, structural, systemic, and systematic in whole or in part destruction of
00:41:07.260 people is happening at the hands of corporate america and the government is against white 0.55
00:41:13.640 americans full stop that's why i called out the white genocide from the early days of my campaign
00:41:18.740 there are so much that hand at stake here and i can't wait to read the book awesome thanks james
00:41:26.720 for coming on we will continue to watch what you're doing uh with great uh great excitement
00:41:32.440 I don't think the Lord's done with you. You ran, I think, a commendable race. Lots of people have
00:41:37.760 tried to drag you, drag us over the coals. No ragrets. I might even, if I wasn't against tattoos, 1.00
00:41:44.260 I'd get the tattoo right on my neck. No ragrets. You got over 20% of Byron's vote, were outspent 1.00
00:41:51.740 200 to one, and you had the youth, which means it's not if. It's not if James Fishback or what
00:41:57.800 you represent, other guys like you will be leaders in America. It's simply a matter of when.
00:42:02.440 And so we, you've said it several times, you're right.
00:42:05.520 The fight's not over.
00:42:07.000 It's just getting started.
00:42:08.120 So thanks for coming on the show.
00:42:10.020 Thanks, Joel.
00:42:10.840 Thanks, guys.
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