00:00:00.000If I came out tomorrow and said, I proudly endorse Byron Donalds for governor, you, your viewers, and the people who voted for me in Florida are going to think one of two things.
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00:04:05.240Byron Donalds cannot win if all of James Fishback's supporters
00:04:09.380choose not to throw in their weight behind him.
00:04:13.160and all those who didn't vote in the primary but were Democrats or Independents who would have
00:04:18.800voted for James Fishback if they don't come out in the general election and vote for Byron. You
00:04:24.320have similar things going on in Ohio when it comes to Vivek. You have similar things going on
00:04:28.540with smaller races. When you think of Ken Paxton going up against Tallarico in my home state,
00:04:33.860the principle remains the same. If you're serious about winning and you're mocking all of us
00:04:40.320because we threw our weight in a primary behind someone that we thought on principle, on policy,
00:04:46.880was the best candidate. And yet here we are coming up just days away from the general election and
00:04:53.120you're still mocking us. And yet in the same breath, demanding that we be patriots and vote
00:04:58.960for your candidate. You need to pick a lane. You need to eat a slice of humble pie and say,
00:05:04.920you know what you actually ran a decent race your guy he wasn't that bad actually his policies made
00:05:11.260a lot of sense we see that there are real constituents in on that side of the aisle
00:05:15.820but that for whatever reason did not win it wasn't chosen we need this person even though they may
00:05:22.940not be as good to cross the finish line because it's better than the communists and it's it's
00:05:27.440time for a kumbaya it's time to come back home and we're going to treat you with respect we're not0.88
00:05:33.840going to force you to come back home and then also be standing on the front porch with a stick
00:05:39.100beating you, beating your face in as we force you to vote for our guy. That won't work. The whole
00:05:46.740image has been, we're the serious politicians. We're the ones who take it seriously. It is
00:05:52.200profoundly unserious. Here in the bottom of the ninth, when you actually do have communists on
00:05:58.900the ballot as a real alternative slated in some of the polls to win, and you still are sitting here
00:06:06.180mocking someone who disagreed with you in the primary. You know, you're the unserious party.
00:06:12.680You are the unserious people. So, James, welcome to the show. Tell us just on the ground what is
00:06:20.400happening in Florida, what's about to happen, and what does Byron Donald's need to win? And I'm
00:06:25.420going to press you. I'll go ahead and kind of prime the pump right now. But what would it take?
00:06:30.820Is it even possible that you would be able to come back to the table and encourage all of your
00:06:36.700voters, all those who look up to you, appreciate you and what you represented, what you stood for
00:06:41.840and say, all right, guys, we need to throw our weight in behind Bayer. Well, good afternoon,
00:06:46.700guys. Anything's possible. And the question is whether there is a will for any candidate,
00:06:52.520Republican or Democrat to come to the table and hear out the very frustrations that our voters
00:06:57.960were upset about, right? The idea that our homes are being bought up by Blackstone and Blackrock,
00:07:04.040that our jobs are being shipped overseas, or worse yet, overseas workers are being shipped here to
00:07:08.860replace us. But the very sovereignty, the very essence of what it means to live in America
00:07:14.020is on the ballot. And so those frustrations have to be answered one way or the other.
00:07:20.380They have to be reconciled. If they aren't answered, I can't imagine that the people, the nearly 200,000 who voted for us in a primary and the hundreds of thousands of more who would have voted for us, but weren't able to because they weren't registered as Republicans by the primary date, libertarians, independents, and so forth, whether they will actually get behind a candidate in time for the election, November 3rd. That's what's all up for debate.
00:07:43.360Right. What would it take? You and I, we've talked about some of this offline, and you used this concept, and I think you're right, that every real endorsement is a mutual endorsement. It's not a one-way stream. It's a two-way street.
00:08:00.200You even used as an example, and I think it's a good one, of RFK and Donald Trump and the 2024 broad coalition that Trump was able to bring together. It wasn't just that RFK exited stage left with being running in that race as an independent and threw his weight behind Trump, and Trump never said a word about it.
00:08:23.820No, it was very much mutual. He came alongside Trump, but Trump, in the same way, said, you know what? I appreciate this guy. I appreciate the people that he represents, the principles that he represents. We're going to carve out a space for him. We're going to make this actually one of the distinctives and priorities of our administration. That's how it works. That's how the game, anyone who's serious, that's how the game is played.
00:08:51.540And I'll be honest, I'm starting to get a bit annoyed by the other side of the conservative aisle.
00:08:58.600It's one thing for them to disagree, but to disagree and then also feign some sense of sobriety.
00:09:31.760So talk about this, this mutual endorsement.
00:09:35.200If Byron was serious, what would he need to say?
00:09:38.540Because you even said you don't want a place in the administration.
00:09:41.540it's not about you, but it's about the people that you represent, the principles, what would
00:09:45.740Byron have to say in order for you to say, you know what, still not my favorite guy in the world,
00:09:51.200but freedom, liberty, virtue is on the line. The alternative is so bad, and he's made some
00:10:00.300concessions. Give me an idea. Put some meat on the bones. What would that need to look like?
00:10:06.040What would need to be, I would say, roughly three things, the first of which is a commitment
00:10:10.080to no more foreign money, namely APAC, while he's governor. Number two, he would have to
00:10:16.540announce an investigation and eventual elimination of the H-1B program as it's already being used to
00:10:22.680employ people at state agencies and state colleges, but also further how state contractors,
00:10:28.100people who are paid by the taxpayer to do state work, Microsoft, Amazon, Accenture, KPMG, that
00:10:33.680they're not allowed to have H-1Bs if they want state work. And again, stand up for American
00:10:37.800workers. I think lastly, sign the same pro-life pledge that I did when I ran the idea that if a
00:10:43.960personhood amendment actually came to your desk, the equal protection of every life from the moment
00:10:48.580of conception, that's what it really means to end abortion in 2026. Those are the things that not
00:10:54.980just I would want to see, but my voters would want to see. Now, Joel, if I came out tomorrow
00:10:59.200and said, I proudly endorse Byron Donalds for governor, you, your viewers, and the people who
00:11:06.340voted for me in Florida are going to think one of two things. Either they've got a gun to his head
00:11:11.160or Fishback got the call and is now one of them. And they're not going to believe it. It's not
00:11:16.500going to look genuine. What looks genuine is what President Trump did with Bobby Kennedy,
00:11:21.300not offering him a job. I don't want that. But not just Bobby Kennedy endorsing President Trump
00:11:27.680in the 24 race, but President Trump endorsing and co-opting the Maha agenda without drawing
00:11:33.880conclusion about whether that agenda has been successful or not. Ex ante, it was the right
00:11:38.120thing for President Trump to do to bring on the Maha movement, the Maha priorities, and in turn,
00:11:43.380the Maha supporters into that coalition, which inarguably helped President Trump win in 2024.
00:11:50.460And so it's not whether I endorse Byron Donalds, it's whether Byron Donalds endorses a policy
00:11:57.340platform that is unapologetically America first, that may at times be at odds with some of his
00:12:02.260largest donors, but will help him win this election. And more importantly, will give him
00:12:05.900the trust of Florida voters to have a mandate that he will need to govern in this first term.
00:12:10.800Very well said. And I think that's entirely reasonable. You didn't pick, you know, 37
00:12:15.140different items. You boiled it down to three. And I'll be honest, even the way that you
00:12:21.640articulated that, I, you know, I'm like, oh, I don't know. That feels too low of a bar. I feel
00:12:27.820like, you know, you might like, and in other words, what I'm saying is that's entirely reasonable.
00:12:31.780You did not say that Byron Donalds has to come out and, you know, and say something extreme about Israel or that Byron Donalds has to come out.
00:13:27.520I had some of my own suspicions. I was like, I don't know. You know, part of me would like to
00:13:32.980see this 23andMe test. Part of me is thinking this, and part of me is thinking that, and you
00:13:37.400know, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But the reason why I was willing to give you the consideration,
00:13:42.080the time of day, have behind-the-scenes conversations to be won over was actually
00:13:47.180really simple. And it wasn't my base takes on Israel, and it wasn't my, you know, my position
00:13:52.480on America first. It was literally my ingrained, I can't help this, right? I'm 40 years old. I'm on0.62
00:13:58.020the top side, older millennial. My entire life, and certainly my entire adult voting life,
00:14:04.740I have always been indoctrinated by my boomer parents. God bless them. They're wonderful people.
00:14:10.320And by my grandparents and aunts and uncles and everyone in my life, I've been indoctrinated that
00:14:16.940the number one issue is the life of the unborn. And I remember, James, I remember watching you
00:14:22.060early on, and this was the big thing, seeing it early on and seeing that it never disappeared,
00:14:27.440when it could have been advantageous for you to let this one issue go. You're sitting there,
00:14:33.340you've got the based Gen Z guys online following you, you know, you're chanting USA in the Waffle
00:14:38.920House, you know, you're doing this, you're doing that, you've got the motion, you've got the vibes,
00:14:43.920you've got Gen Z. Here's the deal, most of Gen Z, they do not care about the unborn, and you wouldn't0.87
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00:16:52.060just say we'll include it. You said, I'm going to be more overt, more outspoken, and more
00:16:58.720uncompromising on protecting the life of unborn children than any other Republican candidate,
00:17:05.900not only in Florida, but in my assessment and looking and comparing with it, than anyone in
00:17:11.560the nation. I don't know any other GOP candidate that has had a stronger stance in an election
00:17:17.820from start to finish, never conceding on protecting the life of the unborn than you did,
00:17:23.360and even signing a legally binding document that would hold you to your pledge.
00:17:28.620And for me, that was the quintessential item.
00:17:32.060I got to know you behind the scenes, and so that's different.
00:17:34.240Not everybody has a chance to get to know you or pick up the phone and talk to you.
00:17:37.780But for me, those things won me over later on.
00:17:39.880But the thing that made me give you the time of day from the start and think,
00:17:44.260I don't know, I don't think if it's just grifting, here's what a grifter would never do.
00:17:49.980He would never pick this particular issue that with all the other issues that draws in a certain demographic, this particular issue is not entirely popular, and yet you held to it.
00:18:02.620And as a Christian, as a father, as a minister, my hat is off to you.
00:18:09.200I was going to say, James, those other two positions, that one is probably not as popular within the Republican Party.
00:18:13.660but when it comes to Israel and when it comes to foreign labor, you are decidedly on the position
00:18:18.740probably of the entire party and most certainly younger constituents. I've got a poll here.
00:18:24.2002018, July of 2018, net favorability of US citizens on Israel was plus 51. In that time,
00:18:32.120in those seven years that have transpired since, it's gone to negative 23, a negative 67 point
00:18:38.340swing in the overall favorability that Israel has viewed versus not. You are the one representing
00:18:43.920that viewpoint. That is what the future is going to look like. It's going to look like a lot less
00:18:48.180benefit, a lot less money, a lot less munitions to the state of Israel. Same thing on foreign
00:18:53.740labor. You have the vice president of the United States coming out and saying the H-1B visa work
00:18:58.660program is irreparably broken. We have to fix it. We have to start over from first principles.
00:19:03.740So you're taking very popular positions with younger Republicans and almost in some ways trying to drag it forward and saying these are the issues, these are the battlegrounds that our popularity is going to be won on.
00:19:14.360Join me and actually reach these young voters that could bring you across the finish line.
00:19:18.540What you're asking for, the pro-life issue aside because that doesn't really matter because that's the morally right position, the other things you're asking for are what the future of the Republican Party must look like if it's going to win.
00:19:32.440These are common sense positions that are very popular in the party, but also quite popular nationally.
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00:24:28.800or leaving that part of the ballot blank.
00:24:31.060And here's, I think, a prime example. Vivek Ramaswamy. And the reason why is there are two
00:24:38.560things, and a lot of people miss this, but it's vital. There is policy and there is precedent.
00:24:43.860Policy and precedent. The policies of Vivek, I believe, are marginally better in some instances
00:24:52.180than the alternative, Amy Acton, who is a Jewish communist woman Democrat. Not great. Not great.0.86
00:24:59.200So some of his policies are marginally better. Some are much better. A couple might arguably be worse, like some of his policies for H-1B visas. I think he actually might bring more people from India into the country. And he signaled this. I'm using his words. I'm not just saying because he's Indian. I'm not just speculating.
00:25:17.860But by his own words, he wants to radically increase, multiply the population of Ohio.
00:25:23.600And it's not just going to be native Ohioans getting, you know, getting in the mood, you know, and being fruitful and multiplying.0.78
00:25:31.720He's got some plans, and those plans involve importing people who are not compatible with the American tradition, our way of life, into that state.
00:25:39.640In that sense, I think on policy, on that category, worse.0.97
00:34:27.460I don't want to put words in your mouth, but we actually don't want our Gen Z followers1.00
00:34:31.700to just take their ball and go home, right?0.52
00:34:34.040Don't we want them to be patriots, Americans, get in the game, don't just play the status
00:34:38.580quo and give your vote to everybody just because it has an R next to its name, but get in there.
00:34:42.900There are good candidates, vote for them, consider them, be prayerful.
00:34:46.060be participating. Work on their campaigns, phone bank for them, be active, be involved.
00:34:50.320That's what we stand for, right? What do you think? Well, that's exactly right. And
00:34:54.960I'll be voting in 30 days time. Will I be voting the exact way the party wants me to on every
00:35:01.960single race? Will I potentially leave races that I have no moral conviction in blank? Possibly.
00:35:09.580But at the end of the day, I think we have an obligation to be involved one way or the other.
00:35:14.900And the fact that our generation and younger isn't just disaffected by politics, but is disgusted by politics is not a reason not to be involved.
00:35:25.420In fact, it is the reason to be involved, to phone bank, to get involved, to knock doors, to tell your friends and family about the minority of candidates who actually share our morals, our vision, our platform for the country.
00:35:41.160And there are a handful of them across the country, and I would be proud to get behind
00:36:19.400But the fact that you're still active, but it's not just podcasting, you're on a Senate floor or you're in a town hall meeting or you're at a university.