The NXR Podcast - CN Weekly - The Secret Plot Between J.D. Vance and Tucker Carlson

00:00:00.000 All right, welcome back to another episode of Christian Nationalism Weekly. In this particular

00:00:04.580 episode, we're going to be breaking down the recent massive debate that just took place on

00:00:09.340 the WalkAway channel. This is a debate that was hosted by Brandon Straka, MAGA versus America

00:00:15.380 First. I had the privilege of participating in this debate. There were four participants on each

00:00:21.300 side. MAGA was represented by Andrew Wilson and Will Chamberlain, Gerald Morgan, and John Doyle.

00:00:28.740 On my side of the aisle, America First, was Alex Jones, Joe Kent, yours truly, and Kai

00:00:34.900 Schwimmer.

00:00:35.900 This debate was chaotic.

00:00:37.440 It was four hours long.

00:00:38.840 It took almost all day for us to record.

00:00:41.220 It was certainly a lot of discord, a lot of people shouting and arguing and speaking over

00:00:46.500 one another.

00:00:47.160 But if you watch the debate closely, you will notice that there are at least, there are

00:00:51.740 several, but at least three key moments that we're going to be drawing out in our summary

00:00:56.500 of the debate in this episode.

00:00:58.420 three key moments where the real disagreement and some of the hidden agenda between these two

00:01:04.500 positions of America First and MAGA are revealed. So we're going to be showing three clips from the

00:01:10.200 debate and giving our explanation, our commentary on what this actually represents. That's our

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00:02:47.940 all right we want this to be a concise and condensed hopeful clear episode as much as

00:03:05.160 possible so we're not going to waste any time we're going to go ahead right now and jump into

00:03:09.000 the first clip i just want to say if america first is partnering with muslims i'm out if 0.95

00:03:15.140 If America First is partnering with leftists that want to kill my kids, of which I have six, I'm out. 0.97

00:03:21.280 If America First is wanting to partner with boss babes, you know, three-piece pantsuit feminists, I'm out. 0.92

00:03:27.500 I'm not doing the broad coalition thing. 0.99

00:03:29.780 I remember what John Doyle said.

00:03:31.660 It wasn't just one guy who shot Charlie Kirk.

00:03:33.920 And I'm not saying, hint, hint, it was Mossad.

00:03:36.740 What I'm saying is that half of the country was joking about it.

00:03:41.400 They loved it.

00:03:43.180 They were gleeful. 1.00

00:03:45.140 Half of the country wants to kill my kids. 0.99

00:03:48.000 I'm concerned about Israel,

00:03:49.540 but Mossad's not the biggest daily threat in my life.

00:03:52.580 It's literally next door neighbors with Tallarico signs

00:03:55.520 that are an actual threat for my family

00:03:58.620 and my children and my safety.

00:04:00.760 So I will always be grateful for Donald Trump.

00:04:03.920 But I think that we have to recognize both sides.

00:04:06.820 There is an America after Trump.

00:04:08.960 America will still be here.

00:04:10.460 He's not getting a third term.

00:04:12.460 And what we need to do is push further, push further than what he took us to.

00:04:16.960 There you have it. Wesley, Antonio, thoughts about that?

00:04:21.060 It's so well said, and it's so sensical. We appreciate so much that Donald Trump did.

00:04:25.760 I mean, you guys remember the Bush era, right? The Chamber of Commerce style politics.

00:04:31.500 So boring, so dull, not dealing with the real issues at the time.

00:04:35.160 It was the Syrian refugee crisis. We'll always be thankful for what Donald Trump rescued us from. 0.99

00:04:39.920 and we recognize he's not the end goal.

00:04:42.960 He's not the end state.

00:04:43.920 MAGA has to give way to something better.

00:04:46.300 This is such a reasonable position and it keeps,

00:04:48.540 I love what you did, Joel.

00:04:49.600 It keeps the main enemy, the main enemy.

00:04:52.120 The left is a civilizational threat.

00:04:54.800 The end of leftism, I would say, is Bolshevism.

00:04:57.160 What did they do to Russia? 0.97

00:04:58.720 They murdered Christians. 0.98

00:05:00.180 They murdered their own countrymen. 0.99

00:05:02.640 Leftism at its core is this murderous, vengeful hatred

00:05:06.540 of things that are good, things that are beautiful. 0.54

00:05:09.180 It's hatred of Christianity that will destroy our nation. 0.50

00:05:13.480 We have differences with other people from different political tribes, but none of them are so foundational as our difference with leftism.

00:05:20.540 And there can be no collaboration, no middle ground where we share this enemy halfway across the world.

00:05:26.380 And so we're going to combine against them.

00:05:28.060 No, it's always going to have to be over and against the left.

00:05:31.780 Yeah, I like this framing of we have to move further, right?

00:05:35.280 Because this is ultimately how all political transformations occur.

00:05:38.800 if you look in history, what you see is that characters, great leaders, great men,

00:05:43.440 they're always looking back in time and saying, I want to be like that man. I like what he stood

00:05:50.200 for. I like the policies. I like the form of whatever the case is. We're always looking back

00:05:55.140 and trying to draw lessons that are applicable today. And in a very real sense, I think that's

00:05:59.640 how we're treating the Trump administration from the first term. And even now is there's good and

00:06:06.140 there's bad what we want to do is take the good because and be very appreciative and grateful for

00:06:11.760 the good but we need what we need to make it better it's a constant improvement improvement

00:06:16.000 and evolution in this political movement i think kai said that at some point in the debate which

00:06:19.960 i appreciated but but ultimately that's what we're trying to do is refine like gold this movement and

00:06:25.760 and what's good about it and and take it to the next uh the next place and guess what donald trump

00:06:30.960 He's 80 years old. He's not going to be there. Yep. One of the things that I think is vital that the viewer recognize, if you're going to watch this debate, and I recommend watching it, one of the things that's vital for you to understand going into this debate is it's not a debate between two sides, but actually four.

00:06:48.660 Let me tell you what I mean by that. The two main sides, of course, is MAGA versus America first. But the reality is that these are two primary sides with two subsets underneath each of them. Okay, so the two primary sides with this divide is MAGA and America first. But underneath each of these two groups, there's two subgroups.

00:07:11.820 So with MAGA, you have MIGA, that's represented by Will Chamberlain. 0.81

00:07:16.700 He is a raging Zionist. 0.75

00:07:17.980 I said that to his face in the debate. 0.99

00:07:19.820 I apologize for absolutely nothing and to absolutely nobody.

00:07:23.300 That's a fact.

00:07:24.340 He works for Yoram Hozoni, who is the president, the founder of NatCon.

00:07:28.720 NatCon is allegedly super-duper based, right?

00:07:31.880 Because they're national conservatives.

00:07:33.980 They're nationalists.

00:07:35.420 But Yoram Hozoni, he's not just ethnically Jewish.

00:07:37.980 He is a religious Orthodox Jew. 1.00

00:07:40.580 He believes that Jesus is the bastard son of a whore, that he's a blasphemer and a false prophet, 1.00

00:07:45.940 and that he's currently burning in human excrement in hell. 1.00

00:07:49.640 Yoram Hozoni is not even living in the United States. 0.54

00:07:52.700 He comes here quite often because one of his chief goals is to garner sympathy and support from the United States

00:07:58.500 as the most strategic and significant ally of Israel, which is where he actually lives.

00:08:04.200 He lives in Israel, and NatCon, which has been hosted the last couple years here in the United States,

00:08:09.080 is now going to be hosted in Jerusalem. And there are all these Americans who are going to be flying

00:08:15.120 across the pond to go and speak at a conference hosted in Jerusalem. About 25-30% of the speakers

00:08:21.680 at this conference are either religiously Jewish or ethnically Jewish. In addition, just to

00:08:28.260 register, one of the buttons on the website for this conference is in Hebrew, right? So it's just,

00:08:34.480 it's not great. It's not great. Yoram Hozoni is Will Chamberlain's boss, right? So just so you

00:08:40.300 know some of the context, there's a point in the debate where all three other participants on the

00:08:46.260 MAGA side, of which Will Chamberlain is on that side, are actually disagreeing with Will Chamberlain.

00:08:52.100 Will Chamberlain, one of the questions, specific questions that was posed by Brandon Strockett,

00:08:56.060 the moderator, is what would, with the Iran war, what would be an off-ramp? What would be a point

00:09:03.560 of no return, right? It would be a deal breaker. And Andrew Wilson and John Doyle and also Gerald

00:09:10.340 Morgan, who's the right-hand guy of Stephen Crowder, all three of them basically more or

00:09:14.260 less agreed that there is an off point. And for them, it would be boots on the ground. It would

00:09:18.740 be a full-scale invasion. Whereas Will Chamberlain said out loud, it's not me interpreting, I'm just

00:09:25.200 repeating what he said. He said, no, that would not necessarily be an off point for me. So with

00:09:31.700 MAGA, remember, it's not just two sides in this debate, but really four sides represented. The

00:09:36.960 two main sides is MAGA versus America First, but there are two subgroups underneath each of those

00:09:42.260 two main headers. Underneath MAGA, you have MAGA, Make Israel Great Again. That's represented by

00:09:48.440 Will Chamberlain. He's supporting Donald Trump, but he's primarily supporting Donald Trump insofar

00:09:54.320 as Donald Trump, and has really been a fulfillment to Mark Levin's own words, his own prophecy,

00:10:00.800 you might say, when, if you remember that video where Mark Levin puts his arm around Donald Trump 0.63

00:10:05.580 and said, this is our first Jewish president, to which Trump responds by saying, it's true,

00:10:10.680 it's true. So insofar as Mark Levin is still proven right, that Trump is not America's first

00:10:16.960 president, but our first Jewish president, insofar as Trump is beneficial and advantageous towards

00:10:25.840 Israel, then Will Chamberlain is MAGA. But the reality is that Trump could get, he could pull

00:10:31.940 out of the war, he could turn his back on Israel. And in the spirit of all fairness,

00:10:38.660 we need to acknowledge that although there's disagreement between myself and the other three

00:10:43.060 contestants on the MAGA side, John Doyle and Gerald Morgan and Andrew Wilson, if Trump said,

00:10:50.020 you know what, that's it, I've had it, I'm not doing anything else for Israel, those three guys

00:10:54.460 would still be very much MAGA.

00:10:56.420 Yep, they would.

00:10:57.120 In fact, I might become MAGA at that point, right?

00:10:59.820 So those three guys would still be MAGA,

00:11:01.740 whereas Will Chamberlain, again, not exaggerating,

00:11:04.520 he would abandon the MAGA ship, all right?

00:11:07.660 So that's why I'm saying underneath the MAGA banner,

00:11:10.380 there are two subgroups.

00:11:11.560 One is not really MAGA, it's actually MIGA.

00:11:14.120 That's Will Chamberlain, that's Jormozoni,

00:11:16.280 so on and so forth.

00:11:17.260 The other three contestants, Andrew Wilson

00:11:19.040 and Gerald Morgan and John Doyle,

00:11:21.320 I would say that they would represent more of,

00:11:24.460 I want to say true MAGA, but honestly, I think Will Chamberlain represents true MAGA because

00:11:30.540 true MAGA has become Laura Loomer. It has become Lindsey Graham. It has become Mark Levin. It has

00:11:34.800 become Jared Kushner. So I'm going to actually refer to Wilson and Doyle and Morgan as MAGA

00:11:42.140 light. So true MAGA, which is actually MAGA, you got to give that to Will Chamberlain. You got to

00:11:47.300 give the guy credit where credit is due. I think he is the best representation of true MAGA because

00:11:52.280 true MAGA has sadly become MEGA. And I'm using Trump's own words in order to make that assessment.

00:11:59.360 Trump has said Mark Levin is MAGA. Lindsey Graham, think about Lindsey Graham is MAGA. But Alex Jones

00:12:07.280 and Tucker Carlson and these guys, they're not. Okay, so Will Chamberlain, he takes the cake in

00:12:11.800 terms of the most accurate MAGA supporter, because he is the most supportive of our first Jewish

00:12:17.580 president, to which Trump, again, his own word said, it's true, it's true. Okay, so you have

00:12:22.580 true MAGA, aka MIGA, and then MAGA-Lite, Chamberlain, and the other three contestants.

00:12:28.700 On the America First side, again, two subgroups, you have Joe Kent, and then you have me. And I

00:12:37.120 would say that both Jones and Kai would be somewhere in between. I like Joe Kent, all right?

00:12:42.340 I'm not disparaging him, but I have probably just as many disagreements with Joe Kent

00:12:46.900 as I do with Gerald Morgan. And that's important for people to recognize. Yes, there are two

00:12:53.100 teams in this debate. But if we're talking about real, tangible, objective disagreements,

00:12:58.760 I have just as many disagreements. In fact, I'm going to be honest here. I think I probably have

00:13:04.840 more disagreements with Joe Kent than I do with Gerald Morgan, aka Steve Crowder. I understand

00:13:10.580 that Gerald Morgan is his own individual human being, but he is the lead producer, right-hand

00:13:15.680 guy of Stephen Crowder. They share probably 99% of the same positions. And so if it's between

00:13:21.140 Stephen Crowder and Joe Kent, I probably share more in common with Stephen Crowder than I do

00:13:26.920 Joe Kent. So what are the two subsets, you know, give some labels, some titles here to describe

00:13:32.040 Joe Kent represents, and you'll see the clip here in just a moment, this will be our next clip,

00:13:38.120 but Joe Kent represents an America first that is far more willing to partner with the left,

00:13:43.540 far more willing to partner with muslims far more willing um to be a broad coalition that's that's

00:13:52.320 its main objection is the economy which i care a great deal about making america affordable to gen

00:13:58.840 z to own homes that's really important there there me and joe kent would agree um but another guy who

00:14:05.660 would have that same kind of alignment would be thomas massey what is thomas massey at the end of

00:14:09.640 the day. He's a libertarian. At the end of the day, Thomas Massey, he may have been with the GOP,

00:14:15.560 he may have been a Republican, but his true ideology, not just the label on his office door

00:14:22.720 or his party, his true ideology in terms of what he actually believes, his real convictions, the

00:14:27.660 way that he thinks, Thomas Massey is a libertarian. And I'm not saying that as an insult. I'm saying

00:14:33.520 that to be fair to Thomas Massey. That's what he has said and continues to say himself. And Joe

00:14:38.680 kent in this debate said that um speaking of his self he said yeah i i'm more inclined towards a

00:14:44.960 libertarian view well here's the deal libertarians at the end of the day their ideology can be summed

00:14:49.480 up in this get off my lawn that's pretty much all they care about is being able to afford a lawn

00:14:55.200 which is important and that other people stay off of it but so long as everybody else in the 0.55

00:15:00.000 country stays off of their lawn they really don't care about gay pride parades as much as a a actual

00:15:06.340 conservative would care about those now i think that joe kent is conservative ish okay but not

00:15:12.120 nearly as right-wing or conservative as i am and so that represents a real difference so on the

00:15:17.520 america first over here with maggie you have true maga miga and the maga light on the america first

00:15:22.480 you have america first libertarian that really wants to do this broad coalition and partner with

00:15:28.980 different groups that traditionally the gop has disagreed with such as the left that's a big one

00:15:34.240 and also, I think, Muslims. And then you have an America first that is unapologetically right-wing.

00:15:41.460 See, my big disagreement with MAGA is primarily over the economy and foreign policy. When it

00:15:48.200 comes to geopolitics, when it comes to foreign influence with Israel, when it comes to fighting

00:15:54.800 wars at the behest of Israel, the Iran war, these kinds of things, that's my big disagreement with

00:16:00.380 the current Trump administration. I disagree with them in their partnership with Israel,

00:16:06.920 their foreign entanglements, starting a new foreign war that Trump promised not to,

00:16:12.640 going light on Epstein, that would be another one, and then some of the personal corruption

00:16:17.580 of Trump, especially in the second term in terms of personal enrichment. It's one thing to have

00:16:23.360 policies that are universally good for America, but they also happen to specifically benefit

00:16:28.460 companies where trump has equity and and those kinds of things uh but no trump has done you

00:16:33.700 got to be honest he's done a lot more than just that he has enriched himself by billions and

00:16:37.940 billions of dollars the first term he did that at a financial cost to himself the second term

00:16:44.160 trump's portfolio his net worth has gone up substantially and it's not just because he's

00:16:49.380 done things that are good for america on the whole but also helped him with his companies 0.69

00:16:52.840 No, he made $1.6 billion by the Trump and Melania coins, which are crap coins, that he left your trailer park, you know, the little meme, the guy who's deformed, you know, and just loves Trump so much, but he's living in a trailer park.

00:17:08.920 That guy, a whole bunch of those guys collectively enriched Trump by approximately $1.4 billion. It was $1.6 billion from many of these blue collar, poorest of the poor, MAGA, Appalachia, you know, salt of the earth, Americana people who voted for Trump are the same people who bought these crypto crap coins. 0.98

00:17:32.460 and the value went down from 1.6 billion

00:17:36.340 all the way down to about 200 million.

00:17:40.240 So 1.4 billion of Donald Trump's wealth

00:17:43.180 came from his own supporters

00:17:45.100 in something that is, I think,

00:17:47.740 in many ways could be as nefarious,

00:17:49.900 if not more nefarious than a lot of it.

00:17:52.040 And he ran it multiple times.

00:17:53.260 So there was Donald Trump coin

00:17:54.520 and then after that went so well,

00:17:56.020 he said, run it back, Melania coin.

00:17:58.540 Both of them, of course, went to basically no value.

00:18:01.020 But I mean, this was not just,

00:18:02.000 I thought this would work well.

00:18:03.720 It went terribly.

00:18:04.620 And then I run it back with my wife.

00:18:06.600 It was clearly lining his own pockets.

00:18:08.380 So my four big disagreements

00:18:09.960 with Trump's current administration,

00:18:12.480 the second Trump administration,

00:18:13.920 MAGA as it exists today,

00:18:15.840 is number one, partnership with Israel.

00:18:19.260 And so many Jewish appointments

00:18:22.200 who clearly have, I think,

00:18:24.780 a greater allegiance to Israel

00:18:26.220 than they do these United States.

00:18:27.960 Number two, not just the allegiance with Israel, 0.92

00:18:30.900 but starting a new war that we are going to be hard-pressed to get out of with Iran. Those are 0.96

00:18:37.280 really kind of, those are two things that are really one in the same. The second or third would

00:18:42.880 be Epstein, and the third or fourth would be personal enrichment. I think that that's a huge

00:18:51.140 problem. So you have the libertarian version of America First that's willing to, I think,

00:18:57.340 have some unsavory partnerships. So long as we're just not in bed with Israel, so long as we stay 0.96

00:19:02.660 out of foreign entanglements and we help the economy be more affordable, the cultural, the

00:19:08.240 moral issues where the GOP has traditionally disagreed with the left, we're actually willing

00:19:13.220 to compromise on those. I am not. So there's a libertarian America first, and then there is the

00:19:19.640 right-wing America first. I'll say that again. Libertarian America first, that would be represented

00:19:25.080 more of joe kent and then the right wing unapologetically uncompromisingly right wing

00:19:30.600 america first um i think that alex jones and kai swimmer um are somewhere in between uh joe kent

00:19:36.500 and myself so two subsets underneath america first libertarian version represented by joe kent

00:19:42.380 and the unapologetically right wing america first represented by joel webin and then over on the

00:19:47.660 MAGA side, there's the true MAGA, right? MAGA, no chaser, which is MIGA, that's Will Chamberlain,

00:19:56.100 and then the MAGA-lite, that would be your John Doyle, your Andrew Wilson, and your Gerald Morgan.

00:20:02.320 And I would say that I have probably just as much disagreement with Joe Kent as I have with

00:20:07.680 the MAGA-lite, those three individuals that I just named. In some ways, I actually have even 0.62

00:20:12.120 more agreement as a Christian, as a pastor, because the cultural moral issues matter immensely

00:20:17.780 to me. In some ways, I actually have more agreement with an Andrew Wilson, where Gerald Morgan would

00:20:24.000 probably be the best example, right? More agreement with Stephen Crowder, Gerald Morgan being the

00:20:28.320 right-hand guy for Stephen Crowder, than I do with Joe Kent, although I still appreciate Joe Kent

00:20:32.880 and have agreement on a lot of the quintessential America first issues. All right, so that's the

00:20:39.880 first thing that you need to see that's our commentating from the first clip saying if

00:20:45.140 America first means partnership with Muslims I'm out if it means partnership with the left I'm out

00:20:49.540 that was the first clip and and that kind of set the stage for me to explain this is not just a

00:20:54.700 debate between two positions but really four so if you're going to watch this debate or you already

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00:22:32.260 It's being ran off the rails. All these different domestic issues aren't being handled because of

00:22:36.580 foreign policy. So if we're building a movement, I say you build it on the narrow band of where we

00:22:43.280 agree. We agree that there shouldn't be any more foreign wars. We need to retract the empire. We

00:22:47.100 need foreign influence out of our government. This is literally the modern libertarian party's

00:22:52.440 platform there i hear notice because am i crazy they're not going to to steal momentum they're

00:22:59.560 not going to take votes what will happen forgive me joe but what will happen is same as jfk or rfk

00:23:07.760 whatever like in the bottom of the ninth that momentum it puts pressure on the gop to do a

00:23:14.580 certain thing because they are posed as a threat and then they come in and then you win but the

00:23:22.100 synchronization of the two makes this thing gop a little bit stronger a little bit better a little

00:23:28.280 bit more fidelity i i said at a later point we didn't include in the clip but i said at a later

00:23:33.900 point um if i'm honest what will probably happen is that your tucker carlson's marjorie taylor

00:23:39.400 Greene's Thomas Massey's Joe Kent's uh more the libertarian America first version uh what they'll

00:23:46.720 do is that Andrew Wilson actually is right um you got to give credit where credit is due uh they

00:23:52.440 will function as a as a just libertarian party 2.0 now we all know that the libertarians historically

00:23:59.980 they every every election they collect their three percent now the difference though I I do

00:24:05.680 think that um andrew wilson's right to say in terms of um ideologically how is this different

00:24:11.700 than the libertarian party to which that's why i said forgive me joe because i'm about to disagree

00:24:16.180 with my own teammate in this debate um i actually agree with andrew wilson ideologically morally

00:24:21.720 um convictionally there's there's not a whole lot of difference with the libertarian party

00:24:28.040 and you know that because that particular subset of america first joe kent tucker carlson and

00:24:33.940 thomas massey thomas massey is a libertarian okay but the difference though i think uh um in

00:24:40.800 in ideology is virtually nothing i think wilson's right that this version of america first the

00:24:47.680 libertarian american first would be like the libertarian party uh but the difference is in

00:24:52.880 terms of function what it would accomplish the libertarian party on average gets about three

00:24:57.780 percent of the vote in presidential elections whereas i think tucker carlson who is a massive

00:25:03.460 name, massive platform, coupled with Thomas Massey and Marjorie Taylor Greene and Joe

00:25:08.000 Kent, and they're adding to their roster daily, I think that they would get a lot more than

00:25:13.240 the Libertarian Party.

00:25:14.620 So I don't think they would get enough to win.

00:25:17.240 That was MAGA's whole argument is saying, well, this version of America First is, number

00:25:24.340 one, ideologically no different than the Libertarian Party, and it doesn't have any

00:25:28.260 fortitude, any defense against the left.

00:25:30.420 Some of the cultural moral issues domestically here, there's half of the country that's shooting TikTok videos and laughing at Charlie Kirk, you know, drowning in a puddle of his own blood. And it doesn't help us on that front. Also, like the Libertarian Party, guess what? Libertarians, not only do they not have cultural moral convictions, but Libertarians are perpetual losers. They never win.

00:25:53.040 Now, that part, I actually disagree. I don't think that Tucker Carlson and that version of America First, that they can win as a third party. And to be fair to Joe Kent, they wouldn't start another party.

00:26:09.000 What they would probably do is they would eventually, down the road, they would hijack the Libertarian Party so that they actually show up on the ballot.

00:26:17.060 If you remember, with RFK, he was running third-party independent.

00:26:22.900 The problem that he eventually ran into is he couldn't get on the ballot.

00:26:27.120 Even if he had gone on the ballot, there's no way he was going to win.

00:26:30.100 But he was dead in the water because not only could he not get the numbers, he couldn't even get on the ballot to get any numbers.

00:26:35.520 So then he threw his weight.

00:26:36.820 What happened?

00:26:37.220 he threw that momentum behind Trump that's what happened in 2024 and at a later part in the debate

00:26:43.360 we didn't include this in the in the clip that we just showed but what I said to Joe and to uh the

00:26:49.580 MAGA contestants is I just said the quiet part out loud uh Nick Fuentes has predicted this I think

00:26:55.780 that Nick Fuentes is right uh Nick Fuentes would be um America first certainly he's he's in many

00:27:01.700 ways pioneered that and he deserves credit for that uh but given the two options of subsets

00:27:06.840 underneath the America First banner. If there's libertarian America First, and then there's

00:27:10.800 right-wing, unapologetic right-wing America First, me and Nick would be in that same category. We'd

00:27:16.000 be right-wing America First, not libertarian America First. And Nick has predicted, and I

00:27:21.800 think he's dead on the money, per usual. He's not always right, but he's right a lot. Nick said

00:27:27.600 that what Tucker Carlson and Joe Kent and Thomas, what they'll do inevitably is that Vance, see,

00:27:34.360 here's the problem vance um is going to have he's he's at a a fork in the road crossroads

00:27:40.020 um he's either going to have to because trump is historically low in the polls people don't

00:27:45.300 realize how bad it is yeah um so much of maggot has abandoned trump okay they don't like him

00:27:51.440 they're mad they're angry and if you think well trump it's 70 d chess you know trust the plan

00:27:58.380 uh guys i'm telling you trump may be able to get some of that back um but he will not be able to

00:28:03.280 get all that back all right and that's going to lead us into our last clip here in a little bit

00:28:06.980 but i won't get ahead of myself but the reality is it's either going to be vance or rubio right

00:28:11.300 vance or rubio if it's vance what vance is going to have to do is make a choice and the choice is

00:28:18.620 in no scenario in no possible possibility does vance get the broad coalition and the numbers

00:28:26.820 that trump got in 2024 vance has to choose to either just uh glaze trump and not counter him

00:28:35.240 whatsoever in which case he doesn't get all of trump's base from 24 he gets all of trump's base

00:28:41.400 from today which is significantly smaller because trump is drowning in the polls he upset a lot of

00:28:47.520 people with epstein and especially the iran war so so vance can only get some of trump's base

00:28:52.920 because Trump only has some of Trump's base

00:28:55.180 because he upset about half of it.

00:28:58.020 Or the other choice is that Vance can counter Trump

00:29:02.300 and say, you know what, I love Trump, appreciate Trump,

00:29:07.600 grateful for Trump, but I'm just going to say it out loud.

00:29:10.540 I'm going to admit that there were some real failures

00:29:12.980 that I was not happy about in this second administration.

00:29:17.160 The Iran war, I was against it.

00:29:19.420 I didn't think that we should do it.

00:29:20.740 The way that Epstein was handled, Trump maybe didn't do it himself, but he's the one who

00:29:26.080 appointed Pam Bondi.

00:29:27.260 That was an absolute blunder.

00:29:29.360 What do you think, guys?

00:29:30.520 I mean, come on.

00:29:31.160 It's been 10 years.

00:29:32.180 We've seen Trump in politics for 10 years.

00:29:34.460 How do you think Trump's going to respond if Vance runs in 2028 with that kind of rhetoric,

00:29:39.840 that campaign?

00:29:40.880 Trump is going to blast him from orbit. 0.99

00:29:43.280 He's going to say, Vance is a traitor. 0.98

00:29:47.260 And you know what? 0.94

00:29:47.920 Same treatment he gave Mike Pence.

00:29:49.220 he's going to give the same treatment he gave mike pence also the same treatment that he's now

00:29:53.140 giving to alex jones and tucker carlson you were never truly maca you were never um rubia is a

00:29:59.420 true mac and then all of a sudden vance won't even have a shot rubia will become the lead

00:30:03.140 so my point is vance cannot counter trump without losing trump's endorsement and it going to rubia

00:30:09.820 which means then vance has to echo and simply glaze trump this administration has been amazing

00:30:16.720 We did it, guys. We made America great again. And and Iran was actually good. And Epstein, the way we handled it was actually good. Trump has done no wrong. That's what he has to say to have Trump's endorsement, Trump's approval, in which case here's the whole point.

00:30:33.000 And this is Nick's prediction, in which case he shores up Trump's remaining base, but that remaining base is not the same size as a 2024 broad coalition that won not only electoral vote, but also the popular vote.

00:30:46.500 So it won't be enough to beat the dim in 2028.

00:30:49.640 So then what does he need?

00:30:51.580 He needs someone over on the sidelines rallying all the disenfranchised, all the disgruntled people, former MAGA that are mad at Trump. 0.77

00:31:01.160 so he has to echo trump not counter but echo trump to keep all the maggotards who are still 0.54

00:31:06.780 maggot today right and there's some of them not nearly as many but some of them um but then he 0.94

00:31:12.220 needs uh somebody else who can do his dirty work for him who already has has garnered trump's ire 0.96

00:31:18.860 and has nothing to lose so he keeps trump happy and keeps all the current maggotards but then

00:31:25.560 somebody else over here takes all the former MAGA guys like us who have been frustrated with Trump

00:31:31.460 because of Epstein because of the economy because of Iran because of his personal enrichment and

00:31:36.680 corruption and that guy or that group in other words aka Tucker Carlson Thomas Massey Joe Kent

00:31:46.820 Marjorie Taylor Greene what they do is they garner all the disgruntled MAGA and then in the bottom of

00:31:53.260 the ninth as you get close to election they do exactly what rfk did and they say you know what

00:31:59.800 jk we're not running our own party or even running you know taking over the libertarian party we're

00:32:05.440 actually going to come in and what what do they do they take all of those disgruntled people and

00:32:10.320 they say what jd can't jd glazes trump and then they say you know what jd actually um trust me

00:32:18.080 bro wink wink jd can't say it because he has to echo trump but then tucker carlson these guys

00:32:24.400 they say but really privately we've talked to jd he's our guy and they convince all the disgruntled

00:32:31.220 maggot to come in so that now you have two pieces of the pie put back together again you have that 1.00

00:32:36.260 broad coalition of 2024 and they can win so my point is to andrew wilson he's like this is stupid 0.99

00:32:42.860 uh that's where andrew wilson is wrong he is correct when he says this is the what you're 0.98

00:32:48.880 describing joe kent is the same this version libertarian version of of america first is the

00:32:54.660 same ideologically as a libertarian party you're right about that andrew wilson but you're wrong

00:33:00.760 in terms of function in terms of its effect number one it will be able to get a lot more than three

00:33:06.340 percent enough to win no but a lot more than three percent and number two you're missing the

00:33:11.820 end game and the purpose of it uh from the very outset the purpose is not to win the purpose is

00:33:17.660 to garner what the libertarian party normally does and a whole lot more instead of three percent more

00:33:22.820 like 10 15 20 25 percent and then to take that in the bottom of the ninth and throw it behind

00:33:30.320 vance and so um in that sense it actually is a viable plan it actually is it's sharp honestly

00:33:38.240 it's a sharp plan so so andrew wilson is right when he looks joe kent in the eyes and says

00:33:43.100 ideologically i don't see a lot of difference between you and the libertarian party andrew

00:33:47.820 wilson is not looking ahead and having enough discernment and insight to know what joe and

00:33:52.920 tucker carlson and these guys are actually up to so yeah that that's important to know yeah one you

00:33:58.080 have to think you have to imagine as as donald trump is polling some of his staffers in the

00:34:02.540 White House and who do you think Vance or Rubio that part of the calculus is which one of these

00:34:08.580 men will be the continuation of what I want and and maybe in a more shrewd sense is which one of

00:34:15.160 these men will protect my interests after I'm I'm out of the presidency and giving the most favors

00:34:19.440 and giving the most benefits that's part of it but but what you I think what you pointed out is

00:34:24.400 the pressure that it applies on Vance because you can imagine if if there's no Rubio and Rubio by

00:34:29.000 the way it wasn't until maybe the last nine months where he's really started to prop up or crop up as

00:34:34.560 like a a legitimate contender with vance vance was the heir apparent um but but the heir apparent

00:34:40.120 doesn't really work well if you can't trust that man to be loyal to your interests when he's in

00:34:45.340 power right and so you have to almost create this this counterbalance with rubio to say hey vance

00:34:50.820 uh something's on the line now something and that something in particular is you have to be

00:34:55.640 favorable to me right and so your point exactly but then you see uh vice president jd vance doing

00:35:02.280 the uh as operating as the uh you know temporary press secretary the other day and someone asked

00:35:08.500 him about his relationship with tucker carlson and he strikes the balance just it was impressive

00:35:13.480 he's perfectly well j you know tucker's my friend um and we disagree and and obviously the thing we

00:35:18.560 disagree on our view of the president uh but and there's a reason what you're absolutely right and

00:35:23.780 What Antonio is getting at is there's a reason for that.

00:35:26.480 Correct.

00:35:27.260 This was Nick's prediction, but we agree with it.

00:35:32.240 We predict this as well.

00:35:34.280 What you're going to see from Vance for the next two and a half years

00:35:37.320 is you will see there will be two sides represented by two primary people,

00:35:42.280 and he will never counter either.

00:35:44.580 One side is MAGA, MAGA Tards, a.k.a. Trump. 0.55

00:35:50.240 Vance is not going to counter Trump.

00:35:51.400 no matter what trump does no matter how bad it is no matter how much it hurts him with his own 0.92

00:35:55.840 base in the polls he will not counter trump the other though is the maggotards who really love 0.71

00:36:01.340 trump right uh who are like i ran war it's great now you know it was bad you know so you know who 0.70

00:36:07.580 we're talking we're talking about cat terry we're talking about captive dreamer we're talking about

00:36:10.700 those kinds of people you know um trump uh vance will not counter trump so that he can keep those

00:36:18.380 people uh but those people hate tucker carlson yeah uh but vance also has just proven antonio

00:36:26.120 made a great point he won't counter tucker why because trump is uh the representative of the 0.65

00:36:32.360 maggotards the people who are still maggot right and it's pretty hard in 2026 to still be maggot 0.96

00:36:37.420 with a straight face without without some sense of shame um so shameless still maggot in 2026 0.99

00:36:44.080 represented by Trump 0.85

00:36:45.900 Vance will never counter Trump

00:36:47.500 because he won't counter that base

00:36:49.080 he also though

00:36:50.260 even though that base

00:36:51.620 hates Tucker Carlson

00:36:53.020 and views Tucker Carlson

00:36:54.720 as a traitor to Trump

00:36:55.800 Vance will not counter Tucker

00:36:57.980 because he recognizes

00:36:59.960 that Trump's remaining base

00:37:03.300 is too small to win

00:37:04.560 a presidential election in 2028

00:37:07.000 he needs both

00:37:08.360 and so what he's going to do

00:37:09.940 is he's going to

00:37:11.220 well I have some disagreements

00:37:12.860 but really love Tucker

00:37:14.060 right and he's going to continue to court tucker and then i love trump of course i'm maga whatever

00:37:21.640 whatever trump does that's maga and i'm and i'm with it so he's going to be um he's going to be

00:37:26.600 on the side of trump but also never disavow tucker so that he gets to keep trump's remaining

00:37:34.100 base tucker gets to corral back in the dis enchanted disenfranchised former trump's base

00:37:41.400 and then throw it to vance in the bottom of the ninth by saying vance can't say it out loud guys

00:37:46.700 he can't say it out loud because he has to remain loyal to trump but wink wink nudge nudge we've

00:37:53.300 talked to vance he's our guy that's the strategy you know vance feels it too i think this was

00:37:57.940 reporting from politico this morning that i think before vance came out and did the press conference

00:38:03.680 he was in the oval office with president trump who said to him i will be watching which is to say

00:38:09.660 I'm applying pressure to see how well of a job you do. But I also want to say, and if you'll

00:38:14.780 just allow me some pure speculation, this relationship between Vance and Tucker, I actually

00:38:20.200 don't think it's implicit. I actually have a suspicion that it's been made explicit between

00:38:24.780 the two of them. Again, pure speculation, but I do believe there's probably some, this is just how

00:38:29.400 politics works. I think there's some kind of arrangement where Vance and Tucker are both on

00:38:34.220 the same page on that. Oh yeah. I think that it's explicit. I think they've had those phone calls,

00:38:38.700 uh had that agreement uh what we're what we're talking about i don't think is to be clear we're

00:38:44.900 not predicting something organic we're we're as a part of our prediction we're saying uh this we

00:38:49.780 think is the explicit plan in fact so explicit uh that it could even not necessarily but could

00:38:55.440 even include um in the bottom of the ninth tucker hopping on the same ticket his name as a as a vp

00:39:01.820 so i think that and the last thing i want to say with that is um because i don't want people to

00:39:06.860 just think that i'm being uh disparaging it's actually a really good plan whether you like

00:39:12.240 vance whether you like tucker uh in terms of of in terms of just results um viability that's

00:39:19.060 actually a really good plan i think it's the only plan that vance has to a presidency is that plan

00:39:24.060 um and it's actually a good plan so in that sense uh andrew wilson is right that the version of

00:39:30.720 America First that Joe Kent represents, that I would distinguish myself from, ideologically has

00:39:37.960 very little difference from the Libertarian Party. But the difference is in terms of what it can

00:39:43.220 accomplish, Libertarians are eternal losers, whereas this actually could win. Well, and what 1.00

00:39:49.280 they're trying to channel too is a classic sentiment that comes about when people aren't

00:39:53.060 happy with the status quo. I think of all the suppression and censorship in 2021, what was a lot

00:39:57.740 of conservatives responses we're going to go to parlor we're going to go to true social we're going

00:40:01.940 to start our own social media and you kind of preemptively jump ship right you leave the halls

00:40:06.580 of power you check out you run as a third party candidate you run as a libertarian and you kind

00:40:12.260 of get your participation badge like i started a parlor account i wanted to stick it to the man

00:40:16.400 what actually changed the paradigm of censorship in the united states oh someone who's really rich

00:40:21.660 who came along changed the entire game so right now what tucker and jd vance may see whether

00:40:27.180 they're working together on it or not they recognize people don't like the status quo they

00:40:30.800 recognize that democrats and republicans will hold hands on one thing and that's sending your money

00:40:35.840 overseas to ukraine sending your money overseas to israel so they're unhappy with the status quo

00:40:39.940 and they recognize that a good 10 to 20 percent of the plantation they're going to walk away in

00:40:45.020 2028 and it is a sharp plan if that is the plan to say these guys are going to walk away they're

00:40:49.960 not going to be happy the status quo as always happens when there's some type of uniparty some

00:40:54.500 type of just this is how things are done they're going to walk away this is our chance to corral

00:40:58.960 them back in but that's so common to say oh throw it into a third party and i want to encourage our

00:41:04.380 listeners we are probably going to have to wait for a couple years we're going to have to wait

00:41:08.060 for our guy we're going to have to wait for our movement to grow and it can feel exciting let's

00:41:11.960 do something start some party the christian nationalist party like no you're going to have

00:41:16.620 to take things over and it's going to be slow and you're going to have to wait for the right guy and

00:41:20.480 bide your time and avoid being too early.

00:41:23.360 But the payoff for that is actually winning and taking over the party.

00:41:26.620 Ron DeSantis is a great example of this.

00:41:28.580 Ron DeSantis actually, I think, did have a lot of potential.

00:41:31.520 Now I understand Ron DeSantis, you know,

00:41:34.420 like doesn't necessarily have a lot of emotion, a lot of charisma,

00:41:38.380 you know, in terms of just his personality.

00:41:40.680 But in terms of his governance, his actual record of governing,

00:41:46.320 unparalleled, really, really, really good.

00:41:49.260 part of the problem with ron it's not just oh well he just he didn't pan out well on camera

00:41:54.040 um part of the problem with ron is uh he was presumptuous too early he was too early he came

00:42:00.540 in when there was still another uh bigger guy in the room named namely trump um if ron de santis

00:42:06.520 had waited and and and went for 2028 once trump was done and maybe and maybe he does he runs again

00:42:13.460 But here's the thing. If DeSantis does run in 2028 within the primary, it will hurt him, actually. It won't be a benefit. It will hurt him, the fact that he ran in 2024 and lost, because now a precedent has already been set. Ron DeSantis is a loser.

00:42:30.460 So Wes is exactly right. We are Christian nationalists. No apology, not going to hide it. 1.00

00:42:37.540 But there's a difference in I'm a Christian nationalist in terms of my convictions,

00:42:41.400 my worldview, my ideology. But in terms of the label, the party, we'll tell you right now,

00:42:49.100 Christian nationalists, we believe we win. But the question is, through what vehicle and at what

00:42:55.140 time at what time later they have to wait and through what vehicle i'll tell you the gop it

00:43:02.640 will be the republican party the rep it's not going to be a christian nationalist third party

00:43:07.220 that uh that beats the gop it will be the gop hijacked taken over strategically over time by

00:43:16.400 christian nationalists right on that's the way it works all right we're going to go to our third and

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00:44:17.680 first order c60.com use code nxr for 20 off the republican candidates all were given the opportunity

00:44:26.480 to raise their hands or not whether or not they were going to support the republican nominee and

00:44:30.480 the only person who said that they would not regardless of who the person was was donald trump

00:44:34.720 And you can say, well, that's just because that's how he is.

00:44:36.780 Yeah, that's why people voted for him.

00:44:38.000 Show me your Donald Trump.

00:44:39.580 What, my impression?

00:44:40.500 No.

00:44:40.960 Show me your Donald Trump.

00:44:43.040 I don't need a Donald Trump.

00:44:44.520 I already have the vehicle that he created.

00:44:46.660 And I go, listen, of the 20 points that you put up there, you've just glossed over the fact that a ton of them have had great work done on them.

00:44:54.840 I don't want more of Donald Trump.

00:44:56.520 But what I do understand is that he has shifted the culture.

00:45:01.020 Potentially, you guys have talked about that.

00:45:03.100 There are issues with that.

00:45:04.240 but i don't need to recreate the wheel here yep so that right there um gerald morgan i like him i

00:45:10.600 think he's a good guy i like stephen crowder a lot uh like we said we'd have a lot in common

00:45:14.800 uh we'd be happy to have gerald on the show sometime or vice versa go go on his show um

00:45:20.420 but but this is you know i made a comment and granted again it's eight people at this point

00:45:26.420 we've been at it for hours um it's a bit chaotic so you know i'm not i'm not blaming him um but

00:45:32.080 he very much missed my point and my point is it's undeniable um he said show me your donald trump

00:45:40.440 you know and kai says what my impression you know he's like what gerald gerald's making a good point

00:45:45.020 he's saying um you guys have a plan you have an ideology an idea america first okay that's great

00:45:54.220 um but you don't have the man you have a plan but you don't have the man and without the man

00:46:00.880 the way that politics works and this is important for our listeners to understand the way that

00:46:04.340 politics works is it's not enough to have a plan you have to have the man trump was the embodiment

00:46:11.940 of of a lot of things that people had had for a long time it's not like trump came with anything

00:46:17.260 novel you know that right if you don't you need to know that um a lot of things that trump ran on

00:46:23.400 were things that were already there from from the tea party from ron paul from there are a lot of

00:46:28.940 these conversations, these convictions, these ideas were already in the ether. But the problem

00:46:34.660 is that none of those guys, including Ron Paul, who I appreciate as far as it goes, again, he's

00:46:39.780 more libertarian, so we disagree on some things, but monetary policy, foreign policy, these kinds

00:46:45.740 of things, I like Ron Paul. But Ron Paul doesn't have motion. And I know that that sounds silly,

00:46:52.160 but this is the way that God made the world, right? So it's not just like, well, this is

00:46:57.040 because people are vain or people care more about drama and soap operas than they actually care

00:47:01.600 about ideology and conviction. You can complain about the masses. You can complain that the masses

00:47:08.380 are retarded and the masses are stupid. And I would agree with all that. But there's something 1.00

00:47:12.600 to be said about going with the grain rather than against it. At a certain point, you can be mad at

00:47:18.460 the people, or you can admit that what you're really mad at, who you're really mad at, is God.

00:47:23.060 god made the world in such a way aristotle even said um you know that there are some men and

00:47:28.920 arguably even the majority of men that were made to be slaves um now that that puts it a bit harshly

00:47:34.880 but the point that aristotle is making is that um it's only a fraction of the population that will

00:47:41.640 ever actually be truly leaders because most people just don't have it and it's more than just policy

00:47:48.340 It's more than just IQ or intelligence. There are plenty of brilliant men who don't have the

00:47:54.560 charisma, the natural gifting, these things to rally the people, right? And so having a plan,

00:48:03.080 Gerald is right. I want to start with that. He's right. Having a plan is not enough. You have to

00:48:07.240 have a plan and you have to have the man. See, in 2024, we had the man, Donald Trump. He was the

00:48:15.220 man he is the man the problem is we didn't have a good plan the plan was to take miriam adelson's

00:48:21.340 money and screw her over uh the first half of that plan nailed it the second half not so much

00:48:27.060 right he took the money 200 million dollars the screwing over part well i haven't seen yet uh

00:48:32.940 what i've seen instead is i'm taking the money and i'm also going to do everything that she asked

00:48:37.420 i was about to say we're receiving the screwing over how did that happen exactly so uh so the

00:48:41.860 point is you had the man in 2024 and here's the deal given those two choices man or plan

00:48:46.760 in terms of winning it's all about the man so you can have the man and a bad plan and still win

00:48:54.380 the problem is you don't win anything you can win but what do you win you don't actually get the

00:49:00.260 things that you want so we we won yay 2024 we're so back we won and it was fun you know it was fun

00:49:07.720 to do you know the theater and the acting for a hundred days of executive orders but but at the

00:49:12.800 end of the day what did we get the wall right we finished that though right uh we did not oh we did

00:49:17.980 not uh no new wars we got that though right uh now i think we're in in the middle east

00:49:23.600 dr fauci uh he got arrested or did he get a stern talking to the same jail cell as hillary clinton

00:49:31.640 from 2016 when he said we should be in jail talking to the we did some theater we got a stern talking

00:49:37.540 uh epstein clients right they've been locked away well we had the email so we were able to like look

00:49:43.180 at their names right so so anyways um you need both you need a man to win you need a plan so

00:49:50.180 that winning is actually worth it you need a man to win you need a plan to where the win matters

00:49:55.960 okay um in 2024 donald trump he is the man i'm not saying he's a good man but he is the man

00:50:02.620 he's got motion and he won okay but we didn't win as much as we wanted to win he won but i don't

00:50:10.140 feel like i'm winning to the degree i'm not saying i haven't won at all i'm not saying trump hasn't

00:50:14.720 done anything good but not i haven't got what i want i did not get what i voted for i did not get

00:50:21.520 what i voted for um over here america first especially look at those two subsets again

00:50:27.040 the right wing unapologetic version of america first nick fuentes version a joel webin version

00:50:32.980 that america first i believe has a plan um but here's the deal uh plans don't always transpire

00:50:40.620 in 15 minutes and and we have been saying and we'll continue to say because we don't want to

00:50:45.360 give you hopium um we don't actually have a plan that can be enacted we have a plan but it can be

00:50:51.940 enacted from start to finish a to z by 2028 this is a more long-term plan and one of the big pieces

00:50:59.040 of the plan that makes it take more of a long-term timeline is the plan has to be coupled to a man

00:51:04.420 and we don't have the man so gerald is right when he says show me your donald trump what he's saying

00:51:08.320 is you have a plan but you don't have the man and he's right about that but i said something

00:51:13.440 that he missed and this is vital i said show me your donald trump see the reality is that maga

00:51:20.140 they don't have the man either because donald trump is not going to get a third term donald

00:51:26.580 trump is about to be number one a lamed up presidency because of the midterms because

00:51:31.800 he's so low in the polls so you're not even going to get full donald trump for the for the second

00:51:36.960 half of of his presidency um you're certainly not going to get him in 2028 he's done so the reality

00:51:44.120 is this gerald's trying to make the point that hey nice plan you have over there america first

00:51:49.380 but you can't win because it's not just a plan you need the man here's my point um nice plan

00:51:55.680 you have over there with continuation of maga and gerald says well i don't need trump i don't need

00:52:01.180 the man i have the vehicle and that's where he's wrong that's not the the world god built the world

00:52:07.080 and he did not build the world with just mere systems and mechanisms he built the world people

00:52:13.520 don't follow just a plan they follow a man they also don't just follow a vehicle they follow a

00:52:20.700 man and so the vehicle of maga will not be sufficient it won't the vehicle of maga put

00:52:28.620 behind the man of rubio means a democrat president in 2028 mark my words the vehicle of maga put

00:52:36.140 behind vance apart from the strategy we said earlier of of of corralling back in those

00:52:43.580 disgruntled maga figures through a second man see that's that's the thing vance as the man

00:52:49.000 is not enough even with a plan and vehicle so vehicle maga plan i don't know whatever it is

00:52:55.460 but without the man and and vance is not the man not by himself anyways uh will not be enough to

00:53:02.260 win uh but the question is two men can they can vance plus tucker equal donald trump and i think

00:53:12.820 maybe so like i said i think that's a decent plan it may not work but in terms of effect i don't

00:53:18.280 now let me say i don't mean that it's a decent plan in the sense that i necessarily like it

00:53:23.920 i'm going to go on record saying that i also am not saying that i absolutely absolutely dislike it

00:53:30.940 what i'm saying is you're gonna have to you're gonna have to let me watch let me watch vance

00:53:39.220 over the next couple years let me watch tucker over the next couple years i like tucker i like

00:53:43.840 tucker more than i like fans i appreciate tucker i've met him he's kind um but i need to see with

00:53:50.680 tucker how how much is some of the softness on islam for instance is this going to be a regular

00:53:59.640 thing with vance i need to watch vance i need to see because i have been watching over the last

00:54:05.840 two weeks right it's kind of a little bit rough over the last two weeks what i saw is okay you

00:54:11.800 know what i don't like this but i get it it's politics vance is doing some good old-fashioned

00:54:16.480 politicking right what's he doing it's an off record closed doors invite only jewish republican

00:54:23.600 gop summit speaking to the republican jewish coalition yep and it's not filmed uh it's invite

00:54:29.800 only and he's in there and he's you know i don't really like it but he's doing what you got to do

00:54:35.020 he's telling them while he's in charge they'll always have a seat at the table

00:54:38.420 here's the problem though 72 hours later he does it again and this time it is worse

00:54:46.020 this time it's not just jews in america ethnic jews it is religious orthodox jewish rabbis

00:54:55.620 hats and all in the white house meeting with trump and then meeting with vance and not just

00:55:04.620 any jewish rabbis but jewish rabbis who specifically uh tyler um oliveira oliveira

00:55:11.940 did a documentary on from their town where they live. And the documentary was promptly removed

00:55:18.020 from YouTube and all social media platforms. But if you caught it within those first 12 hours or so

00:55:23.440 before it was deleted, which I caught at least clips and segments of it, it's not just that

00:55:28.060 these are Orthodox religious Jews who deny our Savior, who hate Jesus. That is the religious

00:55:34.700 belief of orthodox jews but these are rabbi orthodox religious jews who also aside from

00:55:41.940 the religion and rejection of christ which is significant can't overlook that won't overlook

00:55:47.320 that never ever ever it's christ or chaos we don't compromise on that but in addition to that

00:55:53.520 they're coming from a specific county right in in new york right new york or new jersey it's a

00:56:00.100 specific town in upstate new york kiris joel kiris joel in that town what they were meeting

00:56:06.020 what what are they meeting with uh or about they're meeting with trump and then with vance

00:56:11.500 in the white house specifically to talk about getting more welfare these these guys so if you

00:56:21.460 are are bothered at times by let's just say some of the minority population in the united states 0.57

00:56:28.080 that's non-white that's not all of them of course but per capita seems to not pay taxes but be a 0.99

00:56:36.620 drain on the welfare system that you have to support as a tax farm right blacks um that's 0.87

00:56:44.140 frustrating but imagine blacks as it pertains to welfare but with 120 130 iq and through legislative 0.89

00:56:54.420 of policy and reading irs tax code all day long imagine imagine blacks who don't just get welfare 0.83

00:57:01.460 because uh they're poor and unwilling to work uh but they also make it their work their job their 0.99

00:57:09.020 their full-time vocation to exploit the tax system that's the group of jews that we're meeting with

00:57:16.080 vance in tyler exposed in his documentary he's going around filming them they were furious that 0.98

00:57:22.080 it was exposed he literally titled the video inside the upstate new york town full of jews 0.63

00:57:27.600 addicted to welfare whether it be unemployment whether it be snap benefits you've got uh for 0.69

00:57:32.600 example women oh i'm not married now she's married under orthodox jewish law so they marry religious 0.65

00:57:38.440 government but don't file not married so i'm a single mother and i need all of these benefits 0.61

00:57:44.120 and this whole town wicked is propped up by all these state and federal programs and literally

00:57:49.300 they have so much they're not being investigated couldn't help themselves but to roll out to the

00:57:54.240 white house and say mr president uh for families with more than three children could we increase

00:57:59.040 could we increase the tax benefits just a little bit mr president a little bit we're starving out

00:58:04.560 here yeah and here's here's the thing um they didn't just roll up to the white house they were

00:58:09.760 invited you don't nobody just rolls up to the white house yep you have to be invited unless

00:58:16.180 maybe you're benjamin netanyahu um but and then you roll up with your dirty laundry you know but

00:58:21.820 um literally and have the white house do your laundry while you're there asking money please

00:58:26.040 but the point is these guys these jewish rabbis that have been uh the receipts have been brought 0.71

00:58:32.920 this is definitive it's not an opinion who are exploiting like working night and day to study

00:58:39.280 tax code to exploit the welfare system that you pay for um they were not just rolling up in a

00:58:45.840 tank right uh they were invited with the red carpet rolled out by trump and vance and met with

00:58:53.500 so vance doing the republican jewish coalition or whatever it is um don't like it but that if we're

00:59:02.160 giving the most charitable explanation the most benign explanation you know what uh homeboy's

00:59:07.260 doing what he's got to do he's politicking okay but but three four days later to then invite 0.61

00:59:14.100 not just jews but these religious orthodox jewish rabbis exploiting the welfare system 0.69

00:59:22.540 who have been exposed definitively to the white house upon invitation to say and please president 0.86

00:59:30.340 can we can we can we make the goi pay just a little bit more in taxes so that our wives i mean

00:59:37.340 i mean single mothers can uh can have more money per kid guys that and a photo op so it's not even

00:59:45.540 we know about this because someone else talked about it there's white house photos of him

00:59:49.640 cheesing it up with all of them and and i get it but can we just not pretend like the guy's base

00:59:54.540 here's the deal i don't hate vance nick nick is much harder on vance than i am i'm willing to see

01:00:00.920 okay so i want to leave open a little bit of a door here but we're going to call it like we see

01:00:07.080 we're going to call balls and strikes so this is not from some personal vendetta against vance

01:00:11.620 i hope that vance becomes the man i hope that he does become a a pro-white um voice to to stand in

01:00:21.200 the gap for heritage americans being exploited by the government uh their own government and

01:00:26.520 their own country i hope that uh that vance is a strong resolute uncompromising christian voice

01:00:33.540 I hope that Vance actually is in the Oval Office voicing his dissent to foreign wars.

01:00:40.960 I hope all those things, but at the same time, I've got to call balls and strikes.

01:00:45.960 I got to not just tell you my hopes.

01:00:48.860 I have to tell you what we see.

01:00:50.800 And what we see is not, over the last two weeks, not great.

01:00:56.940 So all that being said, back to the Vance and Tucker, you know, teamwork, make the dream work plan.

01:01:02.100 is it viable i actually think possibly so and that's where andrew wilson the maga crew is wrong

01:01:09.000 because they're saying you're going to start a third party and it's just a libertarian party

01:01:12.060 it's the same ideologically and it'll also turn out the same result three percent of the vote and 0.91

01:01:16.900 you guys are retarded no you're actually wrong you actually are not nearly as insightful on this 0.98

01:01:22.580 point andrew wilson as you think you are number one you're not just talking about loser libertarians 0.98

01:01:27.880 You're talking about Tucker Carlson, Marjorie Taylor Greene, Thomas Massey, Joe Kent, massive platform, massive podcast, mass appeal, and them getting a lot more than 3%.

01:01:40.680 I think that they could, again, get anywhere from 10% to 20%, and then you're not seeing the endgame.

01:01:48.080 They are going to take that, the prediction is this, and throw it behind Vance, who courts just the remaining MAGA base that Trump hasn't lost yet.

01:01:55.720 And that actually could be viable to beat a Democrat. So that version of America first, if your main complaint is you guys, you know, that's a nice plan you have there, but you'll never win. Actually, I do think it's winnable. Our objection is kind of like Trump in 2024. Yeah, this actually could win.

01:02:17.400 Andrew Wilson's wrong on that disagreement.

01:02:19.540 Gerald Morgan is wrong.

01:02:20.500 This plan, if they could actually see the whole plan,

01:02:23.440 I don't know why they can't see it,

01:02:24.860 but this plan is viable.

01:02:26.260 It actually could win.

01:02:27.780 Our concern is, and what would we get upon winning?

01:02:32.200 Just like Trump in 2024, it actually could win.

01:02:35.000 Our concern is not the viability of this particular plan

01:02:38.060 in its ability to win an election.

01:02:40.440 Our concern is that if it does win an election,

01:02:44.000 is Vance actually our guy?

01:02:46.520 and i think that that has yet to be proven are there a few dog whistles here and there are there

01:02:52.420 a few you know hopes and symbols and signs that you can read as positive from vance there are

01:02:57.540 i'm not going to sit here and pretend like there's nothing good that's come from vance in terms of

01:03:02.240 his rhetoric there are but our point is to say that there are just as many if we're being fair

01:03:08.300 calling balls and strikes there are some good indicators that vance could actually secretly be

01:03:14.080 dark eye but there also are just as many if not more indicators that he's not and that's the

01:03:20.960 concern any final thoughts nope all right that's our episode that's the real breakdown of the

01:03:27.920 debate that actually happened um and you know not to toot my own horn but you know it's a little

01:03:35.420 biased here but um i think that that is the best summary of the real issues and what's actually

01:03:41.540 going on and how it's going to play out over the next two and a half years that you will find in

01:03:46.620 the aftermath of this debate. So thanks for tuning in and we hope it's been helpful.

The NXR Podcast - September 07, 2026

CN Weekly - The Secret Plot Between J.D. Vance and Tucker Carlson

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