DAILY TRUTH - Excommunicating
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Summary
In this episode, Pastor Joe and Joel talk about how you can become a member of a church without ever becoming a formal member. They talk about the benefits of being a part of a good, biblical church and how it doesn't require you to become a full-fledged member.
Transcript
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Man cannot live on bread alone, but from every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.
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Every church is going to have disgruntled people
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and then the leaders are going to have to do something about it.
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And if they can't win them over and get them to stop gossiping,
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you know, and causing divisions, all those kinds of things,
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then the leaders are going to somehow remove them.
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So the question is, are they going to remove them biblically
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or are they going to remove them the way that a casino
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I mean, churches, they're doing it one of two ways.
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They're doing it congregationally, according to the Bible,
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breaking their kneecaps, and you never see them again.
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Six months go by and you're like, where's so-and-so been?
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I mean, I've heard horror stories of people being threatened.
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If you talk to members about what we said to you or blah, blah, blah,
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And they'll never send an email because they don't want there to be any record
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It's the thing that preserves life and health and peace and joy and unity.
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It's not even like we're saying we're going to do it
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why not be a part of a church that does it rightly?
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Submission, you get to choose who your leaders are.
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If you're a part of a good biblical congregational church,
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Now, again, you might say my attendance is enough for me
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for the last four months, I'm not a member, but I attend somewhat frequently. I come, you know,
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two or three times a month. Maybe you come four for four, which if that's the case, kudos, you're
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beating the vast majority of our members. You know that, I mean, four for four is pretty good.
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But even then, you're able to say, well, I'm coming, and by my mere attendance, without ever
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becoming a formal church member, I am able to look to you, Joel, and say, you are my leader.
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So I'm able to discern who my leaders are. I can look at you, and I can look at your website and
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see who the other elders are. You guys are my leaders. So I'm able to obey my leaders without
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becoming a formal church member, simply by attending. Well, if that's the counter, here's
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the counter counter. No, you can't on two accounts, all right? Number one, the reason why that doesn't
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work is because you're saying, well, I'm able to discern who my leaders are just by attending,
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and therefore I'm able to obey them. Well, if you're attending this church, you don't want to
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be a member, but you're attending this church, and you're saying, Joe, I have deemed that you
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are my leader. And so I'm able to see you and obey you without becoming a member. I'm telling you
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right now to become a member, so you're disobeying. See how that works? So it doesn't actually, it just
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doesn't work out for you. You're not obeying your leader. So you're saying, I'm attending the church
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and I'm saying, you're my leader. And I'm saying, okay, great. Obey me. I'm telling you to become a
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member of the church by biblical standards. And you're saying, no, then you're not obeying your
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leaders. Now, and you may say, all right, so here's another counter. Well, then I'll just find
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basically what, I mean, you won't call it this because you're going to have to justify,
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self-justify, but what it's actually going to be is I'm just going to have to find a more
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compromised church. I'm going to have to find a church that's still good and still conservative
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and still biblical, but a little less biblical, right? Where the leaders there won't command me
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to become a member. That way I won't be found when I refuse to become a member disobedient.
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So I can still go to that church now, detect them by my attendance that they are my leaders,
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and I just got to find leaders who won't ever love me enough
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to tell me to become a member in the church for my benefit, for my good.
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That way, I'll never be found to be rebelling and disobeying those leaders.
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I'm just playing it out for you because you're going to be tempted
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to use better language, much more charitable language
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So I just want to use the very uncharitable language
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to call it what it actually is so that hopefully your conscience
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will be bound and you'll be like, yeah, I shouldn't do that.
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