QUESTIONS - Can Christians Use Birth Control？
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In this episode, we discuss the controversial topic of birth control and abortion. What is the difference between the pill and the IUD? What does the Bible say about birth control, and what is the Christian opinion on the matter?
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What is your Christian opinion? All I have is Christian opinions, Katie.
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I'm a Christian. They're not all right, but all right.
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what is your Christian opinion on birth control? Not the morning after pill, but the daily pills,
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right? So the, um, what is it? The, uh, hormonal birth control pill, hormonal birth control pill
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or a depot shot. Uh, you could add in there. Um, I, oh gosh, IUD. I always get it confused. IED
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is a bomb planted in the ground that explodes quite different, but not that different than an
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IED, which is a bomb implanted in a woman's arm that explodes a child. So that being said,
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that already gives you a little bit of my opinion. So what's my opinion on, so you're saying, Katie,
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you're saying obviously the birth, the morning after pill is abortive by nature and not just
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the nature of what the pill does, but the intent of the one who takes it, right? You're taking it
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with the intention of if I do have life in my womb, I want to kill it, right? So you're absolutely
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right about that. Good job, Katie, for pinpointing that because that's very clear. What I would say
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though about, you know, let's just, we'll just focus on the birth hormonal pill because we'll
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make an argument from the lesser to the greater, right? So if I can argue against using the pill,
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the daily pill for birth control, then certainly you can't do the IUD, you know, or the depot shot
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or whatever. So I would say, no, you can't do the pill. My wife and I, before we knew these things,
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before we had researched these things or heard any teaching on these things. I never heard pastors
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talk about it. I never heard it preached from the pulpit or anything like that. Um, our first,
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it wasn't long, but about two, three months of marriage, um, we, my wife was taking the pill
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and then we came to this conviction. We, we became aware of what we were doing and everything that
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was involved in the truth of God's word in light of these matters and immediately stopped taking
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that pill. And so we failed at this. And I think there's a lot of ignorance around the subject.
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Part of the reason why there's ignorance around the subject is because there's deception. There's
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deception in the medical realm. All right. So if you go to your doctor, women, and you ask,
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is this pill abortive in nature? They're going to say, oh, no, no, no, no. No, it's not. Don't
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you worry. And they're lying. I want you to know right now they are lying to you. All right. So
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let me explain. So some of this is, I'll get to some biblical things, but a lot of this is just
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technical. And then the only reason I know it is I'm not a biologist, but I do know what a woman
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is. I know what a baby is. I know what a pill is. I know these things because I'm not a biologist,
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but I'm a Christian. I have common sense and an open Bible. And I live in God's world with
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natural revelation and blah, blah, blah. So this is what I learned. I had to research these things
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because I'm a Christian. I want to live honorably before God, which involves you having to do a lot
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of research on a lot of things. I had to research vaccines and not just the COVID vaccine, but I
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went back since then and was like, should we be giving our kids all these other vaccines? You know,
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and looking at this and looking at that. And so being a part of being a Christian, let me just
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say this, part of being a Christian means hard work. Just like, there's a lot of things that
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we have to research and learn and know. If we want to really take our responsibility of living
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in God's world righteously and responsibly and exercising proper stewardship over our children
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and over our finances and over this and over, there's just, there's a lot to do. It's a lot
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of work. So the doctor will say, this is not abortive in nature. That's because they changed
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the definition of conception. So what the medical establishment has done, particularly applying it
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to this issue of birth control, is they've said that a child is not conceived, or they would say
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a fetus, is not conceived until implantation. Whereas what Christians have always held
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in a long time before we had ultrasounds and sonograms
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The sperm, the seed of the man entering the woman
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and entering particularly one of her eggs that's so so the question is this conception we believe
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as christians in the sanctity upholding the sanctity of life that life begins human life
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begins at conception so the question is where is conception is it implantation or fertilization
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fertilization is the answer when when you have a zygote when you have an egg that has been
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fertilized by a sperm that is the beginning of human life that is conception and that was even
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for the pagan the unbelieving world that was the medical understanding for quite a while until
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somewhat recently and they changed it from fertilization to now that fertilized egg has to
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implant and then it's conception so when the doctor tells you no this this birth hormonal
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birth control pill is not aborted by nature. What he's saying is that it very well may abort,
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kill, end the life of a fertilized egg. It just won't do it after the egg's been implanted.
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But it will do it after fertilization. There are three measures, okay? Three measures that are
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baked in. It's the design of the pill. The first is to thicken the cervical fluid
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in the woman to slow down the swimmers from the man, the sperm, to where they get bogged down
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and they can't make it to the egg. That's the first measure. That would be preventative,
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not abortive. That would hinder an egg from being fertilized, not take a fertilized egg
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and kill it. There is a difference between preventative and abortive. The first measure,
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three measures. First is not abortive, but preventative. The second is also preventative.
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It's to hinder the cycle of the woman so that she does not produce eggs to be fertilized to begin
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with. Also preventative. So thickening of the cervical fluid to slow down the sperm so they
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don't make it to the egg. And then also ensuring that if they did make it to the egg, there's no
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egg there to begin with. That's also preventative. Now I'm not even going to get into like whether
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or not, you know, these are good health decisions, which I would argue in many cases, they're not.
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And for women who have difficult periods and those, I understand there are different reasons
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why a woman for hormonal reasons might, but there are other options. I don't have time to go into
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that, but I would again say being a Christian is hard work, go, you know, read, do some research,
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but there are other options besides taking the pill. So number one, three measures. One is
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preventative, slows down the sperm. Number two, make sure the egg isn't there, even if the sperm
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arrive but the third measure and this is on the box i mean you get i mean this is they boast of
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this right because they're they're trying to sell a product and say this is highly effective and the
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reason it's highly effective is because it doesn't just have one shot of stopping you from getting
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pregnant but three shots three different methods and and the third method is right there you can
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read it the third method is the thinning of the uterine lining and the uterus the thinning of the
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lining and this method ensures that if the cervical fluid did not get quite thick enough
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and therefore the sperm makes it and the egg was actually there it didn't get stopped with the
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woman's cycle and fertilization actually happened which we believe that's the moment of conception
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and therefore that's when life begins this now child young child as young as you could possibly
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be, but a child, human being, life, this life is now going to an inhospitable environment
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because what the egg then needs to do is attach to the uterine lining, but it can't because the
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wall, the lining has been thinned in such a way that the egg has nowhere to go. This fertilized
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egg, this person dies. And here's the real whore that they won't tell you and you need to know.
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women who take the birth control pill, right? Cause I know the logic, the argument is this,
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right? So some of you might be, so this is part of the logic. Well, if, if you know, the only way
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that would happen, Pastor Joel is, is, you know, basically what you're saying is the first two
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measures that are preventative would have to fail in order for the egg to be fertilized in the first
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place. But then the third measure of thinning the uterine lining would have to remain intact.
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And that's the only scenario that could, that could accomplish, you know, a child being aborted
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with the pill. The first two measures would have to fail that are preventative, but the third
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measure remain intact that is abortive. And the argument, because I've heard the counters, the
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argument is, well, if the first two measures are failing, then that just means the pill's not
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working. That means the third measure is failing also. There's no science, no data, no studies
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whatsoever to back that up. None. And there never will be because research costs money
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and there is no incentive for these birth control pill companies to do that research.
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No incentive whatsoever. So, so my point is, you're just, it's Russian roulette. So you're
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saying, well, I think, right, you can't base it off of facts and research and data because there
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is not. So you're just, it's just a hunch. You're just saying, well, I think Joel, that if the pill,
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if two thirds of the pill isn't working, right, the first two measures preventative, then I think,
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I just believe in my heart that, you know, it's all or nothing.
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If two thirds of the pill isn't working, none of the pill is working.
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So that's going to be your rhetoric, your argument when you stand before a thrice holy God.
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You're just saying, I think it's all or nothing.
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You know, all three measures work or all three measures fail based off of no data.
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So at best, even if that's your opinion, at best, you're playing Russian roulette.
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And you're not playing Russian roulette with your life, holding a gun up to your head,
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but with the lives of your children, with your babies, right?
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The last thing that I was going to say is even if you hold to that counter, it's all
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If the first two preventative measures are failing, then I believe the third one's failing.
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And so therefore, in that case, there's no scenario where my child would be aborted.
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And therefore, I think it's ethical to use the pill.
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Okay, there are studies on this, what I'm about to say.
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Women who go off the pill often have a lot of health problems, right?
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But a lot of times what will happen is the cervical fluid out of these three measures,
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that that will be the last element to come back into alignment. What I mean is the cervical fluid
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that slows down the sperm, that'll begin to thin and go back to normal much quicker than the
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uterine lining thickening and going back to normal. So what happens and producing eggs and getting
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back on our cycle, all those things, right? Her cervical fluid going back to normal, her producing
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eggs again and ovulating like normal. Both of those things statistically will happen before,
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sometimes even six months before the lining of her uterine wall goes back to normal,
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which means now her body for six months is a baby killing machine. And I'm not saying that
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she meant to do that. Most women are ignorant of that. Christian women have done this and they
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don't know but but her in real terms objectively scientifically because we're christians we like
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science just actual science not the science but actual science the science is that uh the first
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two measures will come back they'll drop off and and she'll go back to normal much quicker in the
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first two regards than the third which means all of a sudden the sperm are making it to the egg
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and she's ovulating now there's an egg to be fertilized but that third measure of the uterine
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lining has not yet come back to normal. And so now she's just, boom, producing eggs. Her husband
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is fertilizing those eggs, and those eggs are dying. They're being terminated. They have nowhere
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to go. And honestly, there's so many things. With abortion, it's, you know, obviously thou
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shall not murder, right? The sixth commandment, Exodus 20. But even in addition, there are
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commandments all throughout the Bible that talk about exercising hospitality and loving our
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neighbor. Women, the child in your womb is your neighbor. It's one of your closest neighbors. I
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mean, literally, physically, is the closest neighbor. But also in terms of relationally
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and figuratively, this is your child, right? That baby is your neighbor. Really your neighbor. If
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anyone's your neighbor. That baby is your neighbor. And we're called to love our neighbor.
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And one of the commandments that we find throughout the scripture again and again,
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in exercising love for our neighbor is exercising hospitality. And so women, you want to host people
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in your homes. You want that home to be clean. You want it to be nice. You don't want it to be
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dangerous, right? You don't want to have a family over in your home, cook a meal for them and have
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poison the meal, right? You don't want to have a family in your home with young children and have
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glass on the ground that can cut them. Then you want to love your neighbor. That child in your
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womb is your neighbor. And your womb is a place where you are exercising hospitality to that
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little neighbor. So make it a hospitable place. Make it a place of warmth and safety and love
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and not a place of danger and death and destruction. And again, Christian women who are
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listening to this, if you're not already on board, some of you are probably amening. I can't see the
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comments, Nathan's watching them. But you know, if you're amening, then you already knew and praise
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God. And a lot of you who are maybe reacting right now with terror, I'll give you the benefit of the
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doubt that it's probably because not malice, but ignorance. You just didn't know. And you didn't
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know because these things are hidden. Our world doesn't want you to know. The medical establishment
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does not want you to know. Pharmaceutical companies do not want you to know. Your doctor who's really
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friendly with you when he visits with like, he doesn't want you to know. He may be nice, but he's
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not. He doesn't want you to know. Um, but now, you know, and you're responsible for what you know,
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and you're responsible for what you don't know. Ignorance is not innocence, but you're
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doubly responsible for what you know. So act accordingly. Thanks so much for listening,
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