The NXR Podcast - October 01, 2022


QUESTIONS - Is Shunning Biblical？

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Joel Webbon Harrison Smith Antonio Griffith Dale Partridge Wewsley Todd Calvin Robinson
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Apostle Paul Gentile Jukebox Studio Jamie White Joseph Boot Gary DeMar Joel Webin
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In this episode, we discuss the concept of "shunning" and how it relates to church discipline. Is this a biblical concept? Is this something that can be done corporately, or is it something that only happens in cults?

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00:00:23.440 Is shunning a biblical concept?
00:00:25.100 If so, what would be a biblical example of shunning?
00:00:28.340 Is it related to excommunication?
00:00:30.780 Okay, that's a great question.
00:00:32.360 Shunning is not the same that you would,
00:00:34.420 it is biblical, but it's not done by Christian churches
00:00:37.600 the same way that you would see it done
00:00:39.080 by certain cults, okay?
00:00:41.300 So even Matthew 18, church discipline
00:00:43.220 that ultimately culminates, if there's no repentance,
00:00:45.820 it culminates in excommunication.
00:00:48.480 Well, what does it say, right?
00:00:50.120 You go to your brother,
00:00:51.280 between you and him alone, privately.
00:00:53.580 If he listens, you want your brother over.
00:00:55.600 If not, bring one or two others along with you.
00:00:57.980 so that the testimony may be established upon the evidence of two or three witnesses.
00:01:03.600 And if he doesn't listen to them, you tell it to the church. If he doesn't listen even to the
00:01:07.060 church, then treat him as a tax collector or a Gentile. A tax collector or a Gentile is not an 0.99
00:01:13.080 untouchable. So it's not like in India with this class system and there's certain people that you 0.86
00:01:18.400 just can't even speak to. A Christian, without doing anything immoral, a Christian is permitted
00:01:26.080 by God to speak and even have some degree of relationship, even perhaps a certain degree 0.73
00:01:31.880 of friendship with a tax collector and a Gentile. Of course. What do you do with a tax collector 1.00
00:01:38.100 and a Gentile? You preach the gospel to them. You don't shun them entirely. It's not an all 1.00
00:01:44.660 encompassing shunning. So there is a shunning in the sense that we are no longer extending to this
00:01:50.620 individual Christian brotherhood. I'm no longer regarding you as a brother, but that doesn't
00:01:58.280 mean that I cannot treat you in some measure as a friend. Okay. Now I'm aware there are other texts.
00:02:04.620 That's Matthew 18. There are other texts. One is where the apostle Paul says, if anyone does not
00:02:09.820 take note of what I've written in this letter, have nothing more to do with him that he might
00:02:17.300 be ashamed. Now, that's a great shunning text. It's literally saying, have nothing to do with
00:02:25.220 him. And precisely for the goal of shaming him. So the apostle is literally commanding the church
00:02:32.840 to, in a joint effort, in a corporate effort, to ignore someone for the purpose of publicly
00:02:42.200 shaming them. But even then, it's out of love. It's so that the individual will come back into
00:02:49.180 the fold. And Paul actually goes further in that text and says, but do not regard him as an enemy,
00:02:55.480 but as a brother. And so this, I believe, is actually, if we're looking at the Matthew 18
00:03:02.680 process of go privately, then bring one or two others with you, then tell it to the church. And
00:03:07.040 if he doesn't listen to the church, then hand him over, treat him as a tax collector or a Gentile. 0.99
00:03:10.580 I think what Paul says about having nothing more to do with him, this would actually be 0.97
00:03:16.460 before excommunication.
00:03:18.120 It would be somewhere probably in between step two, the two or three going to the individual, 0.68
00:03:23.540 and the final step of treating him as a tax collector and a Gentile, that somewhere throughout
00:03:28.420 the church discipline process.
00:03:30.620 So not, this is how we now regard the individual after excommunication.
00:03:34.820 No, because the apostle Paul says, but do not treat him as an enemy, but warn him as
00:03:40.320 a brother. So you're still referring to the individual and regarding the individual as a
00:03:44.300 brother, which if the person has been excommunicated, now treated as a tax collector 0.81
00:03:48.780 and a Gentile, regarding him as a brother is precisely what you can't do. So I think the 0.96
00:03:54.520 Apostle Paul, even, and this is my point, I think the Apostle Paul actually, he doesn't just say
00:04:00.300 it's permissible, he actually commands and prescribes that Christians employ the art of 0.98
00:04:06.460 shunning even before excommunication. That's significant. The church corporately, and I think 1.00
00:04:15.000 it would probably most likely be, tell it to the church. And so it wouldn't even be after what I
00:04:20.320 said earlier, the two or three step, two or three now coming to the individual. It would be in
00:04:24.740 between telling it to the church and then him not listening even to the church and then treating 0.87
00:04:30.620 him as a tax collector Gentile. It would be in between those two steps. So the whole church, 0.79
00:04:35.200 right? We've been very slow, very patient. Others who are wise and discerning have been brought into
00:04:40.480 this, the one or two others. We've addressed this multiple times. There's been no repentance.
00:04:46.360 We are now bringing it to the church. And what we're not doing is we're not, the elders are not
00:04:51.200 telling the decision to excommunicate this individual to the church. No, we're telling
00:04:57.060 the situation, what's going on to the church, and there's now going to be an appointed time before
00:05:02.340 we excommunicate the individual for him to listen to the church. And during that time where he
00:05:08.460 should be listening to the church, one of the things that the church is going to do is have
00:05:13.520 nothing to do with him. Now, not nothing in a literal sense. The one thing that we are going
00:05:18.560 to have to do with him is calling him to repentance and praying for his repentance. But we're not
00:05:24.000 going to have anything to do with him relationally as far as we're just buddy-buddy and acting like
00:05:28.340 nothing's wrong. In that sense, we're shunning him. But not treating him as an enemy, he's still
00:05:34.460 regarded as a brother. We haven't gotten to the final step of handing him over. So all that being
00:05:39.720 said, to answer the question, yes, shunning is biblical. It's explicitly in the Bible.
00:05:45.140 Have nothing more to do with him that he might be ashamed. I think that's shunning. But it's for
00:05:52.160 loving purpose, not just love for the church and protecting its purity from the alleged sinner,
00:05:57.480 but also a love for the sinner, that he might come to repentance, that the Lord may use this
00:06:05.160 love as tough love to win the sinner over, to bring him back into the fold. So I think different
00:06:11.780 purposes than cults that shun and different methods than cults that shun. But does the
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