QUESTIONS - What Are Your Thoughts on Andrew Klavan from the Daily Wire？
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In this episode, we discuss the differences between conservative and liberal Christians, and how they differ from each other. We also discuss the difference between Christian and liberal evangelicals, and what it means to be a Christian and a liberal.
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gets out to as many people as possible. Thanks. So Andrew, okay, yeah, so Andrew Klavan from the
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Daily Wire, so I would, you know, he would be in another category altogether separate from
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from like Jack Hibbs, for instance, with Calvary Chapel, right? So like, if you think of it like
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this, right, here's Joel, you know, post-millennial, theonomic, patriarchal, reformed particular
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Baptist, all right? And then here's the cross-politic guys that I was talking about earlier,
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all right? We've got some differences. They're more Presbyterian and Westminster view of the
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covenants and paedo-baptist and paedo-communionist, all right? And then like, I'd say like, we're
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about, let's say we're five feet apart. Well, Jack Hibbs is like 50 feet apart. And then if you go
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five more miles and fall off of a cliff down to the very bottom and get shattered on the rocks,
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there's Andrew Clavin. And what I mean by that is Andrew Clavin, who claims to be a messianic
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Jew, a reformed Jew who is now Christian, believes that Jesus is the Messiah.
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I don't believe, Andrew Clavin, I've read some of his stuff on scripture. It's very similar to
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Jordan Peterson. He just allegorizes everything. Everything in scripture is a metaphor. He just
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doesn't take God at his word. And an example, that's kind of his hermeneutic, as an example
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in his life, you have Spencer Clavin, Andrew's son. And Spencer Clavin is openly gay. And
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Andrew Clavin esteems and honors his son's choice to be a gay man. And so you might say,
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well, I thought he was conservative. He's with the Daily Wire. Well, one, the Daily Wire is only so
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conservative. And two, the way that they kind of get around that, guys like Ben Shapiro, guys like
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Andrew Klavan, Matt Walsh is more conservative out of those guys. Even Michael Knowles, he's deeply
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Catholic. And I know Matt Walsh is Catholic too, but I like to think that Matt Walsh is a bad
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Catholic. The thing about bad Catholics is that bad Catholics are sometimes Christians, but good
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Catholics never are. So Michael Knowles, I think is very conservative. I like a lot of his rhetoric,
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but he's deeply Catholic. Whereas Matt Walsh, I don't think he's quite as Catholic as Knowles,
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but those would be probably your two most conservative guys. Ben Shapiro is what I
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would consider conservative light. And Andrew Klavan also, even probably even lighter than
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Ben Shapiro. And, and so what you hear from Ben Shapiro and Klavan, their rhetoric on, on things
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such as, well, just LGB, you know, minus the T as though they'll kind of, you know, pull out their
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conservative hammer and wail on transgenderism, but then they'll, you know, they will be real
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soft on lesbianism, gay men, those kinds of things. But in order to keep their conservative
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card, what they'll say is, well, this isn't ideal. So they'll say the norm, so Spence,
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Andrew Klavan has said multiple times, even in regards to his son, he'll say like every parent
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wishes that, you know, that their children would be in a normative marriage and produce for them
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grandchildren. And so he would say, I'm proud of my son and his courage to be who he is.
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But yes, it's not ideal. And what's normative in America should be. So they would push back
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on the gay agenda, obviously the transgender, but even on the gay agenda by saying, we don't
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need to be heralding gay relationships as though they are normal. We don't need to make them try
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to normalize it. And we also don't need to esteem it as though it's better to be gay than it is to
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be heterosexual. So they would say it's best to be heterosexual. So that's how they keep their
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conservative card and appear to be conservative. Best to be heterosexual in traditional marriage
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between one biological man, one biological woman, and to be fruitful and multiply and have children.
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That's the ideal. But what they're saying implicitly in that is they're avoiding saying
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that someone like Spencer Clavin, Andrew's son, is actually in sin. That this is, it's not just
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that it's abnormal or it's below the ideal when it comes to human relationships. No, it's an
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abomination, according to God's word. It's an abomination. And that's what you won't hear Ben
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or Andrew Clavin ever say. In fact, you'll hear the opposite. You'll hear, yeah, it's not normal,
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but he had no choice. This is who he is. And I admire his courage and being who he is, despite
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the adversity and all the obstacles that he's had to overcome. And so I'm proud of my
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gay son, Spencer Clavin. And also, no correlation, I'm sure, but also pretty much all the Bible is
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an allegory and a metaphor, but I'm a Messianic Jew. So I would say Andrew Clavin, from what I
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can tell, Andrew Clavin is not regenerate. He seems like a nice enough guy. I agree with some
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of his views. I appreciate some of what he does. But as far as I can tell, I would say Andrew
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Clavin is not a Christian. So Jack Hibbs with Calvary Chapel, I think he's got some bad theology,
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but he seems to be a born again believer with a spine, with courage in this moment. He wouldn't
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just say that homosexuality is less than ideal. He would say that it's a sin. He has said that
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there's a far cry between Jack Hibbs and Andrew Clavin. Now that doesn't mean, just for the
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record, that doesn't mean we can't partner because sometimes people say, well, this is Ben Shapiro
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and therefore they'll write off the Daily Wire. Yeah, Ben Shapiro is the flagship show and he's
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co-owner of the Daily Wire. I get it. But I partner with guys like Delano Squires. He's a
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regular contributor and writer for The Blaze. Allie Bestucki is with The Blaze. Steve Days,
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as I mentioned earlier, is with The Blaze. So there's guys with The Blaze who do certain
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things. I'm like, yeah, that's horrible. You're not a Christian. But then there's some people
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in The Blaze who are unashamedly putting forward not just conservativism, but Christ.
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And so I don't want to just demonize the whole thing
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I think Megan Basham is a fine Christian woman.
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while having all the reservations I've already mentioned
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