The NXR Podcast - September 22, 2022


QUESTIONS - What Are Your Thoughts on Andrew Klavan from the Daily Wire？


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Length

8 minutes

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155.04683

Word count

1,341

Sentence count

100

Harmful content

Misogyny

2

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Hate speech

8

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Transcript

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00:00:00.000 Hey guys, real quick before we get started I have a small request. If you've been blessed by our
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00:00:14.660 gets out to as many people as possible. Thanks. So Andrew, okay, yeah, so Andrew Klavan from the
00:00:23.700 Daily Wire, so I would, you know, he would be in another category altogether separate from
00:00:28.100 from like Jack Hibbs, for instance, with Calvary Chapel, right? So like, if you think of it like
00:00:33.000 this, right, here's Joel, you know, post-millennial, theonomic, patriarchal, reformed particular
00:00:38.920 Baptist, all right? And then here's the cross-politic guys that I was talking about earlier,
00:00:44.640 all right? We've got some differences. They're more Presbyterian and Westminster view of the
00:00:49.880 covenants and paedo-baptist and paedo-communionist, all right? And then like, I'd say like, we're
00:00:54.660 about, let's say we're five feet apart. Well, Jack Hibbs is like 50 feet apart. And then if you go
00:01:03.140 five more miles and fall off of a cliff down to the very bottom and get shattered on the rocks,
00:01:08.600 there's Andrew Clavin. And what I mean by that is Andrew Clavin, who claims to be a messianic
00:01:16.460 Jew, a reformed Jew who is now Christian, believes that Jesus is the Messiah.
00:01:21.920 I don't believe, Andrew Clavin, I've read some of his stuff on scripture. It's very similar to 0.54
00:01:29.760 Jordan Peterson. He just allegorizes everything. Everything in scripture is a metaphor. He just
00:01:38.700 doesn't take God at his word. And an example, that's kind of his hermeneutic, as an example
00:01:44.940 in his life, you have Spencer Clavin, Andrew's son. And Spencer Clavin is openly gay. And
00:01:54.800 Andrew Clavin esteems and honors his son's choice to be a gay man. And so you might say,
00:02:07.380 well, I thought he was conservative. He's with the Daily Wire. Well, one, the Daily Wire is only so
00:02:12.400 conservative. And two, the way that they kind of get around that, guys like Ben Shapiro, guys like
00:02:19.200 Andrew Klavan, Matt Walsh is more conservative out of those guys. Even Michael Knowles, he's deeply
00:02:24.520 Catholic. And I know Matt Walsh is Catholic too, but I like to think that Matt Walsh is a bad
00:02:28.700 Catholic. The thing about bad Catholics is that bad Catholics are sometimes Christians, but good 0.51
00:02:33.400 Catholics never are. So Michael Knowles, I think is very conservative. I like a lot of his rhetoric,
00:02:38.820 but he's deeply Catholic. Whereas Matt Walsh, I don't think he's quite as Catholic as Knowles,
00:02:44.160 but those would be probably your two most conservative guys. Ben Shapiro is what I
00:02:48.300 would consider conservative light. And Andrew Klavan also, even probably even lighter than
00:02:54.800 Ben Shapiro. And, and so what you hear from Ben Shapiro and Klavan, their rhetoric on, on things
00:03:01.660 such as, well, just LGB, you know, minus the T as though they'll kind of, you know, pull out their
00:03:09.640 conservative hammer and wail on transgenderism, but then they'll, you know, they will be real
00:03:16.560 soft on lesbianism, gay men, those kinds of things. But in order to keep their conservative
00:03:24.560 card, what they'll say is, well, this isn't ideal. So they'll say the norm, so Spence,
00:03:29.440 Andrew Klavan has said multiple times, even in regards to his son, he'll say like every parent
00:03:35.780 wishes that, you know, that their children would be in a normative marriage and produce for them
00:03:43.600 grandchildren. And so he would say, I'm proud of my son and his courage to be who he is.
00:03:50.260 But yes, it's not ideal. And what's normative in America should be. So they would push back
00:03:58.180 on the gay agenda, obviously the transgender, but even on the gay agenda by saying, we don't 0.52
00:04:03.340 need to be heralding gay relationships as though they are normal. We don't need to make them try 0.99
00:04:10.040 to normalize it. And we also don't need to esteem it as though it's better to be gay than it is to
00:04:15.680 be heterosexual. So they would say it's best to be heterosexual. So that's how they keep their 0.51
00:04:20.940 conservative card and appear to be conservative. Best to be heterosexual in traditional marriage 1.00
00:04:27.100 between one biological man, one biological woman, and to be fruitful and multiply and have children. 0.51
00:04:32.980 That's the ideal. But what they're saying implicitly in that is they're avoiding saying
00:04:38.080 that someone like Spencer Clavin, Andrew's son, is actually in sin. That this is, it's not just
00:04:45.100 that it's abnormal or it's below the ideal when it comes to human relationships. No, it's an
00:04:52.840 abomination, according to God's word. It's an abomination. And that's what you won't hear Ben
00:04:58.260 or Andrew Clavin ever say. In fact, you'll hear the opposite. You'll hear, yeah, it's not normal,
00:05:04.580 but he had no choice. This is who he is. And I admire his courage and being who he is, despite
00:05:10.380 the adversity and all the obstacles that he's had to overcome. And so I'm proud of my
00:05:15.260 gay son, Spencer Clavin. And also, no correlation, I'm sure, but also pretty much all the Bible is
00:05:24.160 an allegory and a metaphor, but I'm a Messianic Jew. So I would say Andrew Clavin, from what I
00:05:31.780 can tell, Andrew Clavin is not regenerate. He seems like a nice enough guy. I agree with some
00:05:37.420 of his views. I appreciate some of what he does. But as far as I can tell, I would say Andrew
00:05:41.940 Clavin is not a Christian. So Jack Hibbs with Calvary Chapel, I think he's got some bad theology,
00:05:47.580 but he seems to be a born again believer with a spine, with courage in this moment. He wouldn't
00:05:52.140 just say that homosexuality is less than ideal. He would say that it's a sin. He has said that 0.97
00:05:56.880 there's a far cry between Jack Hibbs and Andrew Clavin. Now that doesn't mean, just for the
00:06:03.200 record, that doesn't mean we can't partner because sometimes people say, well, this is Ben Shapiro
00:06:07.180 and therefore they'll write off the Daily Wire. Yeah, Ben Shapiro is the flagship show and he's
00:06:11.580 co-owner of the Daily Wire. I get it. But I partner with guys like Delano Squires. He's a
00:06:17.500 regular contributor and writer for The Blaze. Allie Bestucki is with The Blaze. Steve Days,
00:06:23.700 as I mentioned earlier, is with The Blaze. So there's guys with The Blaze who do certain
00:06:28.740 things. I'm like, yeah, that's horrible. You're not a Christian. But then there's some people
00:06:34.100 in The Blaze who are unashamedly putting forward not just conservativism, but Christ.
00:06:40.820 And so I don't want to just demonize the whole thing
00:06:43.660 and say, I can't do anything with you
00:06:45.320 because you work for the blaze.
00:06:46.600 And same with The Daily Wire.
00:06:48.200 I've had Megan Basham on our show. 0.98
00:06:49.600 I think Megan Basham is a fine Christian woman.
00:06:53.220 I think she loves the Lord.
00:06:55.040 She's Protestant. 0.72
00:06:56.440 I believe she's born again, regenerate.
00:06:58.560 She's insightful.
00:06:59.380 And I think she loves Christ.
00:07:01.560 And so I'll happily partner with Megan Basham
00:07:04.520 while having all the reservations I've already mentioned
00:07:08.420 about someone like Andrew Clavin.
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