The NXR Podcast - September 22, 2022


QUESTIONS - What Are Your Thoughts on Andrew Klavan from the Daily Wire？

Hosted by
Joel Webbon Harrison Smith Antonio Griffith Dale Partridge Wewsley Todd Calvin Robinson
Mentioned
Andrew Klavan Andrew Kolvet Ben Shapiro Spencer Clavin Jack Hibbs Matt Walsh Megan Basham Michael Knowles Joel Webin Jordan Peterson Delano Squires Allie Bestucki Jamie White Joseph Boot Steve Dace Gary DeMar
THEOLOGY APPLIED - Cornelius Van Til Vs. Thomas Aquinas ｜ Why Many Reject Postmil & Theonomy ｜ with John White BONUS - NBC, Doug Wilson, & Christian Nationalism

Episode Stats


Length

8 minutes

Words per minute

155.05

Word count

1,341

Sentence count

100

Harmful content

Misogyny

2

sentences flagged

Hate speech

8

sentences flagged


Summary

Summaries generated with gmurro/bart-large-finetuned-filtered-spotify-podcast-summ .

In this episode, we discuss the differences between conservative and liberal Christians, and how they differ from each other. We also discuss the difference between Christian and liberal evangelicals, and what it means to be a Christian and a liberal.

Transcript

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00:00:00.000 Hey guys, real quick before we get started I have a small request. If you've been blessed by our
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00:00:14.660 gets out to as many people as possible. Thanks. So Andrew, okay, yeah, so Andrew Klavan from the
00:00:23.700 Daily Wire, so I would, you know, he would be in another category altogether separate from
00:00:28.100 from like Jack Hibbs, for instance, with Calvary Chapel, right? So like, if you think of it like
00:00:33.000 this, right, here's Joel, you know, post-millennial, theonomic, patriarchal, reformed particular
00:00:38.920 Baptist, all right? And then here's the cross-politic guys that I was talking about earlier,
00:00:44.640 all right? We've got some differences. They're more Presbyterian and Westminster view of the
00:00:49.880 covenants and paedo-baptist and paedo-communionist, all right? And then like, I'd say like, we're
00:00:54.660 about, let's say we're five feet apart. Well, Jack Hibbs is like 50 feet apart. And then if you go
00:01:03.140 five more miles and fall off of a cliff down to the very bottom and get shattered on the rocks,
00:01:08.600 there's Andrew Clavin. And what I mean by that is Andrew Clavin, who claims to be a messianic
00:01:16.460 Jew, a reformed Jew who is now Christian, believes that Jesus is the Messiah.
00:01:21.920 I don't believe, Andrew Clavin, I've read some of his stuff on scripture. It's very similar to 0.54
00:01:29.760 Jordan Peterson. He just allegorizes everything. Everything in scripture is a metaphor. He just
00:01:38.700 doesn't take God at his word. And an example, that's kind of his hermeneutic, as an example
00:01:44.940 in his life, you have Spencer Clavin, Andrew's son. And Spencer Clavin is openly gay. And
00:01:54.800 Andrew Clavin esteems and honors his son's choice to be a gay man. And so you might say,
00:02:07.380 well, I thought he was conservative. He's with the Daily Wire. Well, one, the Daily Wire is only so
00:02:12.400 conservative. And two, the way that they kind of get around that, guys like Ben Shapiro, guys like
00:02:19.200 Andrew Klavan, Matt Walsh is more conservative out of those guys. Even Michael Knowles, he's deeply
00:02:24.520 Catholic. And I know Matt Walsh is Catholic too, but I like to think that Matt Walsh is a bad
00:02:28.700 Catholic. The thing about bad Catholics is that bad Catholics are sometimes Christians, but good 0.51
00:02:33.400 Catholics never are. So Michael Knowles, I think is very conservative. I like a lot of his rhetoric,
00:02:38.820 but he's deeply Catholic. Whereas Matt Walsh, I don't think he's quite as Catholic as Knowles,
00:02:44.160 but those would be probably your two most conservative guys. Ben Shapiro is what I
00:02:48.300 would consider conservative light. And Andrew Klavan also, even probably even lighter than
00:02:54.800 Ben Shapiro. And, and so what you hear from Ben Shapiro and Klavan, their rhetoric on, on things
00:03:01.660 such as, well, just LGB, you know, minus the T as though they'll kind of, you know, pull out their
00:03:09.640 conservative hammer and wail on transgenderism, but then they'll, you know, they will be real
00:03:16.560 soft on lesbianism, gay men, those kinds of things. But in order to keep their conservative
00:03:24.560 card, what they'll say is, well, this isn't ideal. So they'll say the norm, so Spence,
00:03:29.440 Andrew Klavan has said multiple times, even in regards to his son, he'll say like every parent
00:03:35.780 wishes that, you know, that their children would be in a normative marriage and produce for them
00:03:43.600 grandchildren. And so he would say, I'm proud of my son and his courage to be who he is.
00:03:50.260 But yes, it's not ideal. And what's normative in America should be. So they would push back
00:03:58.180 on the gay agenda, obviously the transgender, but even on the gay agenda by saying, we don't 0.52
00:04:03.340 need to be heralding gay relationships as though they are normal. We don't need to make them try 0.99
00:04:10.040 to normalize it. And we also don't need to esteem it as though it's better to be gay than it is to
00:04:15.680 be heterosexual. So they would say it's best to be heterosexual. So that's how they keep their 0.51
00:04:20.940 conservative card and appear to be conservative. Best to be heterosexual in traditional marriage 1.00
00:04:27.100 between one biological man, one biological woman, and to be fruitful and multiply and have children. 0.51
00:04:32.980 That's the ideal. But what they're saying implicitly in that is they're avoiding saying
00:04:38.080 that someone like Spencer Clavin, Andrew's son, is actually in sin. That this is, it's not just
00:04:45.100 that it's abnormal or it's below the ideal when it comes to human relationships. No, it's an
00:04:52.840 abomination, according to God's word. It's an abomination. And that's what you won't hear Ben
00:04:58.260 or Andrew Clavin ever say. In fact, you'll hear the opposite. You'll hear, yeah, it's not normal,
00:05:04.580 but he had no choice. This is who he is. And I admire his courage and being who he is, despite
00:05:10.380 the adversity and all the obstacles that he's had to overcome. And so I'm proud of my
00:05:15.260 gay son, Spencer Clavin. And also, no correlation, I'm sure, but also pretty much all the Bible is
00:05:24.160 an allegory and a metaphor, but I'm a Messianic Jew. So I would say Andrew Clavin, from what I
00:05:31.780 can tell, Andrew Clavin is not regenerate. He seems like a nice enough guy. I agree with some
00:05:37.420 of his views. I appreciate some of what he does. But as far as I can tell, I would say Andrew
00:05:41.940 Clavin is not a Christian. So Jack Hibbs with Calvary Chapel, I think he's got some bad theology,
00:05:47.580 but he seems to be a born again believer with a spine, with courage in this moment. He wouldn't
00:05:52.140 just say that homosexuality is less than ideal. He would say that it's a sin. He has said that 0.97
00:05:56.880 there's a far cry between Jack Hibbs and Andrew Clavin. Now that doesn't mean, just for the
00:06:03.200 record, that doesn't mean we can't partner because sometimes people say, well, this is Ben Shapiro
00:06:07.180 and therefore they'll write off the Daily Wire. Yeah, Ben Shapiro is the flagship show and he's
00:06:11.580 co-owner of the Daily Wire. I get it. But I partner with guys like Delano Squires. He's a
00:06:17.500 regular contributor and writer for The Blaze. Allie Bestucki is with The Blaze. Steve Days,
00:06:23.700 as I mentioned earlier, is with The Blaze. So there's guys with The Blaze who do certain
00:06:28.740 things. I'm like, yeah, that's horrible. You're not a Christian. But then there's some people
00:06:34.100 in The Blaze who are unashamedly putting forward not just conservativism, but Christ.
00:06:40.820 And so I don't want to just demonize the whole thing
00:06:43.660 and say, I can't do anything with you
00:06:45.320 because you work for the blaze.
00:06:46.600 And same with The Daily Wire.
00:06:48.200 I've had Megan Basham on our show. 0.98
00:06:49.600 I think Megan Basham is a fine Christian woman.
00:06:53.220 I think she loves the Lord.
00:06:55.040 She's Protestant. 0.72
00:06:56.440 I believe she's born again, regenerate.
00:06:58.560 She's insightful.
00:06:59.380 And I think she loves Christ.
00:07:01.560 And so I'll happily partner with Megan Basham
00:07:04.520 while having all the reservations I've already mentioned
00:07:08.420 about someone like Andrew Clavin.
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