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00:01:24.620 Hello and welcome to The Next Crusade, here on NXR Studios.

00:01:32.920 I am Father Calvin Robinson, and this is the show where we address current events from a Christian perspective.

00:01:38.920 We look at the topics the rest of the legacy media does not want to touch with a 10-foot barge pole.

00:01:44.140 Remember, you can buy my new book, The Silent Jihad, on shop.newchristianright.com.

00:01:52.240 And we've got a great show coming up today.

00:01:53.740 we've got a fantastic guest in Kyle Seraphim. Great name. He's a former FBI agent, and he's

00:02:00.380 going to tell us the ins and outs of what's really going down with the feds and how we can actually

00:02:04.980 fight back against what is the tyranny of the government. Do we have to become anti-establishment?

00:02:11.600 Do we become disestablishmentarianists? We'll find out with Kyle later in the show. Before we

00:02:17.540 get to that, here's a monologue. Last week, we discussed Catholicism versus Protestantism,

00:02:24.620 or rather, how we can work better towards Christian unity. This week, I would like to

00:02:30.120 discuss my apologia for the Church in England. For the record, I am no fan of the Church of

00:02:35.100 England as an institution. I left a couple of years ago in a rather public spat, so there was

00:02:40.500 no love lost between us. However, I would like to attempt to defend the Church in England.

00:02:47.540 The Church of England's history is far more interesting and nuanced than the revisionist

00:02:52.560 take that the fat philanderer Henry VIII invented a new church and the Church of England has no

00:02:58.040 Catholic roots. Regular readers will know my theology is incredibly Catholic. Most Protestants 0.92

00:03:04.900 think I'm a swift breeze away from swimming in the Tiber, but I have my issues with modernism

00:03:09.740 in Rome and I do not share with our Roman brethren this outright denial of the Church of England's

00:03:15.380 Catholic roots. Henry VIII is responsible for some awful atrocities. Eamon Duffy covers them

00:03:23.180 in his stripping of the altars. The dissolving of the monasteries is one of the greatest crimes

00:03:28.800 in English history. Absolutely awful. And I've written previously on how the Reformation was a

00:03:35.940 mistake. Any church split is bad for Christian unity. The body of Christ is supposed to be whole.

00:03:42.560 that said Henry VIII was a human being like the rest of us a fallen individual history is not

00:03:50.200 black and white and we can paint him as a villain all day long but it is important to look at

00:03:56.000 history holistically and address the whole picture his rottenness does not take away the church's

00:04:02.440 heritage even he did not have the power to do that in retrospect had Pope Clement VII annulled

00:04:11.320 Henry's marriage to Catherine of Aragon and given him the opportunity of being blessed with a son

00:04:16.980 to produce an heir to the throne, much of the mess of English church history could have been avoided.

00:04:24.160 The Pope would not have been setting a precedent. This was perhaps a political decision, not a

00:04:30.120 theological one. The Holy Roman Emperor Charles V was Queen Catherine's nephew and he had taken

00:04:37.420 control of Rome. The Pope refused to dissolve Henry VIII's marriage to Catherine for that

00:04:43.580 reason. It had little to do with the sanctity of marriage, unfortunately.

00:04:48.740 But that point is neither here nor there. Henry VIII was a Catholic king. The reason

00:04:53.540 the present King of England is called Defender of the Faith, Fidei Defensor, is because Parliament

00:04:59.280 bestowed the title on Henry VIII and his successors to defend the Anglican faith. Prior to that,

00:05:05.120 though, Pope Leo X bestowed it upon Henry VIII for his book, Defense of the Seven Sacraments,

00:05:11.720 Assertio Septum Sacramentorum. In Defense of the Seven Sacraments, Henry VIII outlined the

00:05:17.760 importance of the sacraments in what was called one of the most successful pieces of Catholic

00:05:22.720 polemics produced by the first generation of anti-Protestant writers. Henry VIII called Martin

00:05:30.120 Luther a heretic, which is quite ironic considering how many Anglicans venerate Luther today.

00:05:35.120 being incredibly catholic henry the eighth did not set out to create a protestant church

00:05:41.400 certainly not in the same guise as protestantism on the continent of europe henry the eighth got

00:05:47.480 divorced and secretly married anyway he was excommunicated and return he split the english

00:05:54.260 church from roman authority in 1536 henry gave sanction to his 10 articles of religion which

00:06:03.580 became the foundation of the Bishop's Book, otherwise called the Institution of the Christian

00:06:09.400 Man. Over the next three years, this work progressed to become the King's Book, containing

00:06:16.280 six articles of religion for the Church of England. The articles reaffirmed Catholic doctrine on

00:06:22.260 matters of transubstantiation, the reasonableness of withholding the cup from the laity during

00:06:27.800 communion, clerical celibacy, observance of vows of chastity, permission for private masses and

00:06:35.360 the importance of auricular confession. In 1539, that is. This was not your grandmother's Protestantism.

00:06:45.540 Henry VIII was hardly a continental Protestant, but he did become a bit of a reformer. We take

00:06:51.600 it for granted now that everyone can access the Bible in their native tongue, but it was Henry

00:06:56.480 VIII who first commissioned the English Bible. Pope Paul II prohibited Bibles in vernacular

00:07:02.260 languages and violators were punished. The Rhames-Doué Bible was later allowed in 1582-1610

00:07:10.560 but for the purposes of Roman Catholic exiles from England in France to avoid any errors or bias

00:07:16.340 from the Protestant translations that they had access to. Access to the English Bible is a direct

00:07:22.200 result of the Reformation in England. The Coverdale Bible was to be placed in every church 0.89

00:07:28.540 in England. King Henry VIII instituted the First English Liturgy, too, with the Great Litany.

00:07:36.440 He commissioned direct translations from Latin to English, thus avoiding the problems of the

00:07:41.120 Novus Ordo, which removes important parts of the liturgy. It could be argued that Henry VIII was

00:07:47.760 less of a liturgical reformer than the Second Vatican Council. And on to the Anglican kings and

00:07:54.100 queens. King Henry VIII's son, Edward VI, was a young king at nine years old, and it seems he

00:08:02.480 was surrounded by Protestant advisors and snakes. He led the English down a more Protestant path, 0.91

00:08:08.480 but his tenure was short-lived. He sat on the throne for six years. Unfortunately, he caused

00:08:15.040 some lasting damage during that time, which we'll get to. Henry VIII's daughter, Queen Mary I,

00:08:21.520 became queen and attempted to reunite the Church of England with the Church in Rome.

00:08:27.220 Unfortunately, her methods led her down to be known as Bloody Mary. She burned Protestant 0.99

00:08:31.860 heretics at the stake. Neither side of the Reformation came out smelling of roses. 0.86

00:08:38.360 Anti-Catholic sentiment rose, and under her sister, Elizabeth I's reign, Catholics were persecuted

00:08:44.460 just as badly. I do not intend to paint this as a tit-for-tat. Prominent Catholics like St. Thomas

00:08:51.700 Moore had previously been killed under Henry VIII for not submitting to his supremacy. The

00:08:56.900 Reformation and Counter-Reformation is a grave stain on English Christian history. 0.71

00:09:03.800 Queen Elizabeth I attempted a compromise with her 39 Articles.

00:09:07.840 she was excommunicated by papal bull ever since then the church of england has been independent

00:09:15.320 from roman jurisdiction it may have been henry viii's actions that led to this moment but he

00:09:21.660 did not create a new church the church of england split from rome and was never able to fully

00:09:26.700 reunite but she was not a new invention the british empire spread christianity around the

00:09:33.620 world and did so in the English expression, which came to be known as Anglican. The Anglican

00:09:38.940 communion grew from churches in communion with Canterbury outside of communion with Rome.

00:09:45.580 And on the topic of apostolic succession, in 1896 Pope Leo XII declared in his apostolic letter

00:09:52.560 Apostolicae Curae, Anglican orders to be, quote, absolutely null and utterly void, end quote.

00:10:00.040 but let's take a look at that what was it based on a misinterpretation of the form and manner of

00:10:07.460 making ordinate ordaining and consecrating of bishops priests and deacons in the book of common

00:10:12.000 prayer a particular liturgy that only existed between 1552 and 1662 there was a 60-year blip

00:10:20.160 there if anything in between those dates the book of common prayer which contains the approved

00:10:25.960 liturgies of the Church of England went through a few iterations in the battle between Catholicism

00:10:30.820 and Protestantism. Generally speaking, the original 1549 was still fairly Catholic. The 1552 was more

00:10:39.480 Protestant, but the final version in 1662 was held to be the Via Media of Anglicanism, the middle

00:10:46.360 way between Protestantism and Catholicism. The 1662 BCP is still the official liturgy of the

00:10:53.200 Anglican Church all these years later. The beautiful language and the liturgy have since

00:10:58.880 been adapted into the Latin Rite via the Ordinariats Divine Worship Missal and Divine

00:11:04.820 Worship Daily Office books. The Ordinal, the Order for Ordaining Deacons, Priests and Bishops,

00:11:11.860 in the 1552 BCP introduced under King Edward VI was vague on the purposes of ordination and Pope

00:11:21.160 Leo XIII took it as a defect of form and intention, claiming that as a result Anglican orders were

00:11:29.900 absolutely null and utterly void. This is a line I've seen Roman Catholics throw at Anglicans quite

00:11:34.440 often as a dismissive attempt to demean them. Not only does it lack charity, it lacks critical

00:11:39.400 thinking. Just because a Pope said something does not necessarily make it true. The Pope was not

00:11:45.720 speaking infallibly. As I understand it, the Pope only speaks infallibly when he speaks ex cathedra.

00:11:51.160 The Roman Catholic Church declares that the only time the Pope has spoken infallibly since

00:11:56.040 the Council of Vatican I is on a statement of the Assumption of Mary as an article of

00:12:00.140 faith.

00:12:01.540 Since Vatican I was in 1870 and Apostolicae Curiae was issued in 1896, it suffices to

00:12:09.220 say this was not an infallible statement.

00:12:12.720 Also if Henry VIII broke from Rome in 1533 and the new ordinal did not come into play

00:12:17.500 until 1552, would that mean there were two decades of valid but illicit ordinations taking place in

00:12:23.340 the Church of England? It seems that would be the case, and this provides further proof of the

00:12:29.340 continuation of the Church and the affirmation of the Church of England's Catholicity.

00:12:37.100 The Archbishop of Canterbury and the Archbishop of York put together a response to Apostolicae

00:12:43.180 Curae, Sapiens Officio, in which the archbishops demonstrated biblically the validity. More

00:12:52.060 importantly, they pointed out that the Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox liturgies would

00:12:56.940 be found guilty by the very same measure as those of which they were accused. During Queen Mary's

00:13:04.160 reunion of the churches, not a single priest was deprived due to a defect of order. Many remained

00:13:11.820 in office without reordination. Some were even promoted in the Roman Catholic Church.

00:13:18.680 Even if it were true that Anglican orders were null and void in 1896, would it still

00:13:24.420 be the case today? Old Catholic and Eastern Orthodox bishops have been involved in Anglican

00:13:29.700 consecrations since the Bonn Agreement in the 20th century. In 1922, the Patriarch of

00:13:36.060 Constantinople recognised Anglican orders as valid. Other developments in this area

00:13:41.240 have occurred. Last year, Pope Francis and the Archbishop of Canterbury commissioned a pair of

00:13:48.020 Anglican and Roman Catholic bishops at a joint ceremony. Pope Paul VI gave his ecclesiastical

00:13:53.780 ring to the Archbishop of Canterbury. Justin Welby has inherited his ecclesiastical ring from

00:13:59.520 his predecessor. In my humble opinion, Anglican orders have only come into question really and

00:14:07.280 truly, since 1994, when they ordained their first woman. Since women cannot become priests or 1.00

00:14:13.780 bishops, and the Church of England does not have the authority to unilaterally decide otherwise,

00:14:19.240 anyone ordained since 2015, when they consecrated their first woman bishop, would certainly need to

00:14:25.920 provide evidence of their apostolic succession to demonstrate that they were not ordained by a woman,

00:14:30.600 or by someone else who had been ordained by a woman. The waters have been muddied, but this is

00:14:36.840 a very recent innovation. I recommend reading the conclusion of the Anglican Roman Catholic 1.00

00:14:42.080 International Commission, ARCHIC, of 1990. Regardless of whether one thinks Anglican

00:14:49.300 orders are valid or not, whether one thinks the Reformation was a success or not, or whether

00:14:54.100 one likes Henry VIII or not, it is silly to argue that the Church of England is an entirely

00:14:58.380 separate entity from the Church in England before the Reformation, and that it is a new

00:15:03.820 invention, completely separate from any heritage. The church in England was active prior to St

00:15:09.480 Augustine, the first Archbishop of Canterbury, sent by Pope Gregory I. It is assumed that

00:15:16.780 Christians arrived in England via France, or Goal at the time, because there is evidence of

00:15:21.460 Christian activity as early as the second century. Records of the Council of Alls in 314 AD and the

00:15:28.880 Council of Arminium in 359 AD showed the presence of British bishops. By the time the authorities

00:15:37.640 arrived in England from Rome in 597 AD, there were many Christians living across these lands.

00:15:44.000 It is well documented that one of Augustine's first challenges was to unite them all under

00:15:48.440 his authority. That included Christians from Wales, Cornwall, Ionia, Lindisfarne, to name just a few.

00:15:55.460 and the English battle against foreign authority has never ceased.

00:16:00.580 The Church of England was not under direct Roman authority until 664 AD

00:16:05.840 and that's only because the Roman and the Celtic Christians were fighting over the liturgical calendar

00:16:11.260 and they had to seek a higher authority to settle the matter of which date Easter would land on.

00:16:17.000 The problem of authority, however, was never truly resolved.

00:16:21.140 There were grievances over Peter's pence, foreign taxation, and of course the issue of the now infamous indulgences being used to fund St Peter's Basilica in Rome.

00:16:32.580 There were many issues bubbling up under the surface around the time of the Reformation, which could essentially be seen as the first Brexit.

00:16:40.100 The split from Rome was not theological, but ecclesiastical at first.

00:16:44.720 The Church of England did not cease being Catholic immediately.

00:16:48.160 It ceased being under Roman authority.

00:16:51.140 And there are those that would argue and say that they are one of the same,

00:16:54.920 and I will address that in another monologue,

00:16:56.460 which will more broadly explore Catholicism and Catholicity.

00:17:01.300 But suffice to say, the deposit of faith is paramount.

00:17:05.240 That does not undermine the importance of communion with Rome,

00:17:08.880 but it's a matter of priorities.

00:17:11.260 It's not always been the case that the Bishop of Rome appoints bishops in foreign lands.

00:17:15.420 For example, Roman Catholic author Eamon Duffy writes on this

00:17:20.060 in faith of our fathers that investiture has traditionally been a local authority.

00:17:25.960 Princes of the land, i.e. the king or queen, used to select their own bishops. The Pope only really

00:17:31.920 acquired that power universally relatively recently. The matter was settled after a

00:17:36.420 protracted conflict between the Pope and the Holy Roman Emperor in the Concordat of Worms,

00:17:42.160 and the German Emperor retained the right to preside over the election of abbots and bishops.

00:17:47.680 In return, the Holy Roman Emperor renounced his right to select the Pope.

00:17:53.260 This is a battle that had previously played out in England, too,

00:17:57.200 with the then-Pope contesting King Henry I of England for that authority,

00:18:02.060 which was resolved at the Concordat of London.

00:18:04.900 All this to say, the Church in England has always held tensions against Roman authority.

00:18:11.380 We tend to think the Church was Roman until the Reformation,

00:18:14.320 but in fact, the Church in England has only been under direct Roman authority for half of its

00:18:19.820 existence. Although it is fair to say the Church in England was always in communion with Rome

00:18:25.420 until after the Reformation. So yes, the annulment, or lack thereof, played a large part in the Church

00:18:32.340 of England's divorce from Rome, but that was not the only contributing factor. The English have

00:18:37.740 always been Christian, but not always accepted Roman authority. We have had a rough history,

00:18:43.440 but it most certainly is a history. To suggest that the Church of England began in the 1500s

00:18:48.760 is a revisionist approach at separating her from her Catholic lineage. Anglicanism has become

00:18:54.660 known as the English expression of the Catholic faith. Roman Catholics will no doubt take issue

00:19:00.080 with that as will many Protestants but the Church of England is not a new religion. You can say they

00:19:06.060 entered schism or even that they became apostate as I have in the past but to suggest that it's 0.95

00:19:11.240 an entirely new entity without any Catholic roots or heritage is ludicrous. One should never

00:19:17.100 underestimate the human capacity to want to make everything binary. We really are losing all

00:19:22.860 capacity to observe nuance. We want to live in a marvel world of heroes and villains. That is

00:19:28.940 simply not the case here, nor is it realistic. Most of the canonized saints lived checkered

00:19:34.600 lives and did some pretty awful things. Surely the Christian message is one that we are all

00:19:40.740 sinners, yet we can always repent of our sins and grow in our faith in Jesus Christ as our Lord and

00:19:47.120 Savior. He died for us and forgave us. He offers us eternal salvation, and that is never unachievable,

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00:21:07.160 Congress. I'm now joined by my guest, Kyle Serafin. Kyle, thank you for joining us. How are you?

00:21:15.780 I am very well. Thanks for having me on. You have one of those wonderful names that's very

00:21:19.300 biblical. Where does that come from? It comes from a misspelling and probably mispronunciation

00:21:25.240 of the original. My great-great-grandfather, I believe, came in from Canada. He was a French

00:21:34.060 area canadian and made it into wisconsin somewhere in the i don't know 1830 or something like that

00:21:40.060 and it was a misspelling of serfine which was an americanization of whatever the french was

00:21:45.100 and it ended up as seraphin and so i'm it's me if you look in the uh the seraphins out there in the

00:21:50.380 world it's me and then probably like 75 of them are black men from the caribbean but men and women

00:21:56.780 from the caribbean okay it's it's a really funny thing so we we like picked up a surname you know

00:22:02.060 you know, a hundred and something, about a hundred years ago.

00:22:04.280 Right. I thought it was from Seraph, from Seraphim, because sometimes it's pronounced Seraphim.

00:22:09.260 That's how they spelled it. Obviously, they spelled it off that. And so that's become our

00:22:12.940 thing. But if I go up to Wisconsin and people meet me and they look at the spelling of my name,

00:22:16.700 S-E-R-A-P-H-I-N, they pronounce it Seraphine.

00:22:20.320 Oh, okay.

00:22:21.220 No particular reason.

00:22:22.700 Angelic. Love it. Do you come from a Christian background?

00:22:26.840 Yeah, I grew up Catholic. Father and mother both come from independently Catholic households,

00:22:31.400 both with a pretty decent number of kids.

00:22:33.320 My dad was one of five, my mom was a one of eight,

00:22:35.500 and I was one of six.

00:22:37.700 That's how it should be.

00:22:39.040 So are you growing your family then?

00:22:41.180 Working on it, we're up to four.

00:22:42.800 So we've got four of them right now.

00:22:43.940 You've got a couple more until you meet the record.

00:22:46.700 I'm starting to age out, but we're still working on it.

00:22:49.540 The Bible tells us there's no such thing as aging out.

00:22:52.240 Yeah, yeah. 0.62

00:22:52.760 And we need to outbreed whatever the other side is,

00:22:55.080 the other side of whatever my position.

00:22:57.160 I keep telling people there's no political answer.

00:22:58.980 We're not going to vote our way out of this,

00:23:00.320 But actually, breeding is one of the answers.

00:23:03.240 We are being outbred.

00:23:05.200 I was talking about the statistics of America and Britain recently,

00:23:08.760 that America is only 57% white heritage American at this point.

00:23:12.380 Britain's only 70% white British.

00:23:15.100 And with the mass invasion that's happening, people are being literally replaced.

00:23:20.100 I mean, it's really obvious my neighborhood is maybe 90% owned by Indian immigrants, 0.97

00:23:25.820 first generation, H-1B for the most part, some transition to citizenship.

00:23:29.640 and then the actual occupants are probably 60%.

00:23:33.720 So there's a fair number that are landlords,

00:23:35.040 which is even weirder.

00:23:36.420 But my little cul-de-sac I live on

00:23:37.860 is starting to kind of claim it back.

00:23:39.120 It's mostly heritage looking Americans.

00:23:41.560 So it's kind of a strange little, 1.00

00:23:43.000 you look out there in the world and you see that,

00:23:45.180 yes, it's not that you're being overrun.

00:23:47.120 It's that your government has created policies

00:23:48.620 that literally replace you.

00:23:50.180 And there's only one way around it,

00:23:51.920 as far as I could tell, 1.00

00:23:52.600 because the other side keeps to breed,

00:23:53.940 keeps breeding and they don't share the same values.

00:23:56.320 I think we are in a cultural battle

00:23:58.020 And I think that we're in a, I think it's spiritual as well, but I actually have this

00:24:02.740 little, I just got this.

00:24:03.880 My, my son had this on the floor.

00:24:06.080 This is my, my politics right here.

00:24:08.180 This is the bacon cheeseburger nationalist.

00:24:10.280 It's the best politics a man can have in the West.

00:24:12.940 Yeah.

00:24:13.300 We can certainly talk about the bacon cheeseburger nationalism angle, which I think is a, I 0.93

00:24:17.180 think it's a kind of a cheeky way of getting at Christian nationalism, or at least whatever

00:24:21.940 European and Western foundational doctrines have been and have been for 2000 years.

00:24:26.320 It's on my notes.

00:24:27.020 bacon cheeseburger nationalist it generally is because people who can't eat bacon should not be

00:24:33.740 trusted people who do not eat beef should not be trusted people who do not eat cheese should not

00:24:37.840 be trusted people who don't like bacon cheeseburgers should not be trusted and we should all be

00:24:42.340 nationalists so every single element of that is just perfect it's really easy too because you can

00:24:48.420 put a sticker on the back of your car on the wind you know on the windshield and it'll just say this

00:24:52.280 is my politics and it starts a conversation and what i've found is it doesn't matter whether i

00:24:56.640 meet up with people who are completely uninvolved in politics, which is a lot of people. I think

00:25:02.020 that's probably the majority. The people that are kind of politics nerds and the people that are

00:25:07.220 either far right or they're libertarian or they're interested in just maximizing government out of

00:25:12.980 their business. We can all kind of agree on a bacon cheeseburger. You pop into a deli, you pop

00:25:17.200 into a like a roadside diner. If you haven't figured out what you look at, they got a bacon

00:25:21.420 cheeseburger as one of the lead items. It's like, do you want cheese on your meat? The answer is

00:25:26.080 yes. Do you want some crispy bacon on top? The answer should be yes. So it's a no brainer. I

00:25:31.280 think it still constitutes maybe 65 to 75% of what Americans in my country can agree on. And it's

00:25:37.600 not outside the range. And what it does is it minimizes people who keep kosher, but it doesn't

00:25:42.600 eliminate people who are Jewish because I know Jewish people that eat bacon. And so you've got

00:25:46.440 this sort of dietary step in for not attacking minority religious groups, but for just recognizing

00:25:55.180 what the dominant culture ought to be and and it and has been in my lifetime and it's kind of

00:25:59.560 drifted away from so that's an important distinction because it's about loving your own it's not about

00:26:03.500 hating anyone else and you discount the vegans as well which is you know leftist extremist yeah

00:26:09.460 i don't even know what their problem is but yeah they've got lots of choices uh you discount 0.99

00:26:13.400 obviously the sand people in general uh you discount the h1bs because they can't eat beef 0.99

00:26:18.120 uh who else and then anyone who hates your nation who is not a nationalist or hates the word 0.99

00:26:24.160 nationalist they are discounted too so i mean it ticks every box that we need but this is christian

00:26:28.500 nationalism right it's about saying we're a christian nation that's a good thing that's not

00:26:32.720 judging any other nation that's just saying we want to be christians and live according to the

00:26:36.820 christian moral principles that's it it's really straightforward and it turns out so do all the

00:26:42.640 people that move to the country that i live in which when i was born was close to 90 christian

00:26:47.820 all the households would identify that way it was not a question of what church you went to

00:26:51.460 um you know or if you went to church it was what church you went to and so were you uh you know in

00:26:55.660 my area were you a baptist were you a presbyterian are you a protestant of some kind um are you a

00:27:00.620 catholic are you an orthodox but like the answer was always that you obviously you were christian

00:27:05.300 because nine out of ten people you met were maybe more and now it's down to maybe six and a half

00:27:09.900 maybe seven out of ten households and so that diminishing that diminishing percentage you know

00:27:15.560 my wife is a convert she grew up as an atheist in new york city and she says i feel like the

00:27:20.480 problem in america can be very easily defined by our distance from god and she said our nation has

00:27:26.540 withdrawn from god and this is a pattern that you can see throughout the old testament is that when

00:27:31.420 you when you step away from you know what you're prescribed to behave like you end up seeing some

00:27:36.340 consequences and the whole goal is to try to tilt you back towards the center where you recognize

00:27:40.580 you should be living in god's plan it sounds like you have a very wise wife i do yeah i definitely

00:27:45.380 do we are seeing you know nations go under judgment when they step away from god and part 0.84

00:27:49.900 of that judgment is you'll be ruled by foreigners in your own land and the foreigner will gain more

00:27:53.180 power over you these are the scriptures this is not me so we're witnessing it firsthand so the

00:27:58.540 only answer is return to the faith and some of the real world practical answers are put up a bacon

00:28:04.200 cheeseburger as your bumper sticker and say this is this is our politics there it is do you sell

00:28:08.640 that is that merch people can buy i um i'm the worst grifter in america and so uh i have uh i

00:28:15.780 have some mugs that people have made and sent me and told me do you want me to sell those and i

00:28:19.020 said not really and it's you know i have an idea of what it should look like and i haven't done it

00:28:21.900 yet so there it's kind of the uh perpetual there will be merch but i don't know when that will

00:28:26.280 happen and um and i do think that there's a market for people to understand it but yeah

00:28:30.580 i i somebody sent me this in the mail i get i have a po box and um and it's just for strangers

00:28:35.820 to send me weird things as long as they're not live animals i'll accept it and so i get books

00:28:39.880 and postcards i have a guy that sends me every month he sends me an inside out letter you've

00:28:44.500 probably never thought to do this what he does is he writes the letter he types it up and he puts

00:28:48.520 it on paper and then he cuts it out with an exacto knife and he puts it on top of a manila

00:28:53.520 envelope like a large you know eight and a half by 11 i guess it's a little bigger than that it's

00:28:57.200 probably you know 12 by 17 envelope and then he laminates the whole thing and then he sends it

00:29:02.980 with postage so the letter is on the outside instead of on the inside so i have to see it

00:29:07.220 when i get it because i know exactly what i got it's this weird thing that i get every three and 0.64

00:29:12.080 a half weeks it pops up and it looks like mental illness to me but it's clever it's aren't people

00:29:16.860 very generous though people are lovely like that oh yeah when you produce content that they're

00:29:21.160 engaged with they want to engage with you and i love that it's fantastic but where did all the

00:29:26.120 start for you cal because i see on your actually put you're a recovering fed i quite like that

00:29:30.480 phrase yeah it's kind of a play on the uh the idea that i think most people who joined to work

00:29:36.380 for the federal government i was an fbi agent before that i was in the military so i've been

00:29:39.800 a federal employee for some of my adult life and i still have the majority of my adult life in the

00:29:44.560 private sector so you know i came up um out of college i was in oklahoma i moved to california

00:29:50.740 spent a little time there and did some sales came back to texas did some sales um went to kansas

00:29:57.980 ran a restaurant in kansas city interestingly enough just kind of brief little aside i i did

00:30:04.360 a semester in london when i was in college in maybe 2002 or three i can't remember what year

00:30:08.660 oh so you saw london before the fall i did although i lived in kind of like the zone five

00:30:13.740 like on the outside of the bullseye and so the weirdest part was that i was in this sort of 0.76

00:30:17.280 turkish slash kurdish neighborhood where there would be stabbings of non-indigenous um you know

00:30:22.460 non-english people and there were halal shops all around me and it was really strange but i met some

00:30:26.700 really great english people and one of my friends was a guy named andy buttons and andy buttons was

00:30:31.380 like this goofy musician and he saw things from ways that i obviously could not see this is the

00:30:37.120 obvious the reason why you do an exchange program and he said he said you know mate like i've i've

00:30:42.060 always wanted to go to america and i go really where do you want to go and he goes i've wanted

00:30:46.580 to go to kansas city and i went oh why and he goes there's loads of jazz there's loads of jazz

00:30:54.140 i had no idea so i ended up going to kansas city a couple years after i met him and i don't know

00:30:59.700 that i saw loads of jazz they do have barbecue there but i did some restaurants there i went

00:31:03.180 and worked for a movie studio for about a year and a half and so this is all my kind of young

00:31:06.420 formative time in my 20s. And by the time I hit 26, I realized I wasn't creating anything

00:31:12.220 and I wasn't destroying anything. So there was no mark being left by me on the world.

00:31:16.840 And so I started kind of figuring out like, what is my purpose? Why am I built like this?

00:31:20.420 I'm pretty athletic. I'm pretty academic. I'm very aggressive. And I feel very strongly about

00:31:26.120 things like justice in ways that are probably not very good for me. And I have this sort of

00:31:29.460 naive sense of patriotism. And so I enlisted at the age of 27, which was the highest age I could

00:31:34.100 go in in the United States Air Force. And so I went in and long story short, I spent four years

00:31:39.760 in training and no time in combat despite my desire to go and fight America's enemies. So I

00:31:44.980 ended up with this skill set of survival. Yeah, it was all in Texas and Mississippi and Florida

00:31:52.300 and North Carolina and some up in the Pacific Northwest. So I did all this training. And so I

00:31:57.720 ended up with some of the stuff you see over my shoulder here. I've got a dive fin. I went to dive

00:32:01.500 school. I went and did parachuting stuff and I learned to be a medic and I learned to be an air

00:32:05.100 traffic controller and all these skills that ended up being sort of not used. And one thing that my

00:32:10.500 very wise wife shared with me a couple of years ago, as I left the FBI, which was the next

00:32:15.240 iteration, she said, you know, you were training for a war, but it wasn't the war you thought it

00:32:18.760 was. And my war ends up being more of an academic war sitting here. And so I conduct sort of an

00:32:23.180 information war, I guess, against lies and malfeasance from our government. So end of the

00:32:28.080 day, I ended up in the FBI. I did that for six years. And I was a whistleblower starting in

00:32:32.620 about the first year. I joined in 2016. In 2017, I went to my management and I made some allegations

00:32:37.840 of violations of rule policy or law, which is what a whistleblower is. And a lot of times it's

00:32:42.000 internal. So most whistleblowers from the United States federal government are not people you'll

00:32:47.380 ever hear of. They don't go to the media. That's not the job. That's not a whistleblower per se.

00:32:50.880 The statute defines it as bringing it to the attention of management or to oversight

00:32:54.820 to include members of Congress and somewhere in the COVID malfeasance that went on by my federal

00:33:00.980 government. And that was sticking a lot of things down our throats and asking us to stick things up

00:33:04.560 our nose and a bunch of other things that were very clearly targeted towards Christians who had

00:33:08.160 a problem with the, with the development of the COVID vaccines and so on. I simultaneously had

00:33:13.960 two things happen. I said no to the vaccines and I wasn't negotiating with them. And I think that

00:33:18.720 was unusual for a lot of people. I said, I'm prepared to lose my job over this. You know,

00:33:23.360 I started understanding a lot more

00:33:24.520 about what white martyrdom looks like. 0.60

00:33:26.480 And I said, you know, there's a cost.

00:33:27.740 I have a belief system.

00:33:29.160 It's not negotiable with this government.

00:33:31.800 And so I won't be taking the shot.

00:33:33.180 And if you have a job for me, then great.

00:33:34.640 And if you don't, then I understand that too.

00:33:36.800 And they never actually had the courage of their conviction

00:33:38.860 to fire me over not taking the shot.

00:33:40.700 What they did do is say

00:33:41.740 that you can bend the knee in a second way,

00:33:43.700 which was clearly discriminatory.

00:33:45.120 And so they said, you can take a COVID test

00:33:48.060 for the virus every 72 hours,

00:33:51.380 and you can wear a mask and all this other stuff

00:33:53.400 while everyone else was already getting COVID.

00:33:55.720 And I said, well, you know, I'm a paramedic.

00:33:58.180 I'd been a licensed paramedic

00:33:59.200 for about a decade at that point.

00:34:00.620 I've done thousands of nasal swabs in a hospital

00:34:02.820 when I was working in the private sector.

00:34:04.840 And I have a top secret clearance,

00:34:06.600 which means that you, in theory,

00:34:07.840 trust me with some pretty aggressive things.

00:34:09.920 And so I'll be the only one deciding

00:34:11.800 whether or not I'm gonna put something up my nose

00:34:13.540 and I'm not gonna do it without any symptoms.

00:34:14.980 There's no medical precedent for doing prophylactic tests.

00:34:17.820 Nobody knows what they're gonna end up to be.

00:34:19.100 And I can tell that this is a compliance requirement

00:34:21.360 just seeing that I will bend the knee for this, you know, authority that doesn't exist.

00:34:25.140 And the second thing is, is you're asking me to expose myself to ethylene oxide and really

00:34:28.960 separate myself from my colleagues and point out what my religious beliefs are. And so I said,

00:34:33.400 I'm not going to do that. And they kicked me out of the office unpaid for about three months.

00:34:36.820 When I came back, they let me sit at a desk in the corner for six weeks with no work.

00:34:41.880 And I spent a lot of time wondering what my life was about and what I was about to get done to me.

00:34:45.700 And I kind of thought maybe I'd seen the worst of it and I was going to ride out. I'd find another

00:34:49.140 space to go and right when that happened uh my wife finished rcia in the catholic church

00:34:54.260 she was baptized on october the 16th going into the 17th of 2022 and that was easter sunday

00:35:05.120 obviously the the you know the easter vigil saturday to sunday and on the 18th of april

00:35:10.100 i went into the office and they took my badge and my gun and so i was suspended forever at that

00:35:15.300 point. And then I went for about 14 months or another, I guess it was another 12 months without

00:35:19.480 being paid. And so I spent a year on unpaid suspension, knowing that I was never going to

00:35:25.220 be going back. And that was kind of one of those tests where, you know, my wife and I decided what

00:35:29.900 our, how strong our beliefs were. And it turns out they were strong enough to lose our home,

00:35:34.180 essentially lose any home. I had three children at the time and a fourth on the way that I didn't

00:35:37.380 know about. And we, we stepped in kind of the unknown and that's launched this media career

00:35:43.600 that I never wanted, never intended. And I honestly, God, I think that God put in my way

00:35:48.300 and said, this is what you're going to do. And all the doors that opened up because of it were

00:35:53.280 not intentional. It was certainly not on my end. I love that testimony because it's a test. It's

00:35:57.880 a trial and a tribulation that you went through and you've clearly got different paths you can

00:36:02.340 go down. And God's saying, look, are you going to come down my path or are you going to go down

00:36:05.980 your path? And you could have chosen, not selfishly, but you could have chosen for good

00:36:10.060 reason to go down your own path after starting out saying look I don't feel like I'm contributing I

00:36:14.320 want to I want to do something in the world and you're trained for all you know fighting America's

00:36:18.960 enemies which turns out they're all in America but uh turns out but you wanted to contribute and

00:36:24.400 then it what touched me about your story is you said about the authority they didn't have the

00:36:28.600 authority to ask these things of you but at the same time authority isn't always legal authority

00:36:34.040 is what you submit to and so they wanted to see you submit to an authority that wasn't theirs

00:36:38.580 And so the test is, do I submit to God's authority or this worldly authority?

00:36:42.100 You chose the right path, in my humble opinion.

00:36:45.380 I tend to think so as well.

00:36:47.360 And I had a lot of sort of moments that, and I wouldn't tell you that I was the most faithful

00:36:51.620 or observant person going into this.

00:36:53.960 In fact, this has been one of those things that has affirmed.

00:36:56.340 The fact that we're still standing is actually bananas because there's just not an easy,

00:37:01.320 there's not an easy analog for seeing someone say, you know, the federal government is wrong.

00:37:05.700 all of you are wrong and what you've done is evil and then you don't get crushed because

00:37:10.720 historically everybody gets crushed but i think i'm uniquely suited in a couple of ways number

00:37:14.800 one i married very well and so my spouse is the the background that really puts me into a place

00:37:20.580 that i know that i've got i'm not fighting a two-front war most people are they're they're

00:37:25.380 dealing with doubt and and dissent in their own house and then they have to go out and project

00:37:29.720 strength and that's impossible to do for most men uh and and rightly so i mean if your house is

00:37:34.120 divided. You're going to struggle with this. So my wife has always been in the corner. That's

00:37:37.480 been incredible. My children understood very early on that we were going to have some difficulty.

00:37:42.740 And I've had these moments of affirmation that have moved me along. They're completely illogical

00:37:50.200 things that happened. If you have the entirety of your governmental organization say that you're

00:37:55.860 wrong, you've done something evil, immoral, you're stepping out of the path of what is considered

00:38:00.580 acceptable for our employees. If you don't doubt yourself, you're probably a psychopath. There's 1.00

00:38:06.340 something wrong with you if you don't look and go, could this be me? Did I completely miss the

00:38:11.780 thread here? And I would do that on a fairly regular basis where I would sit and I would just

00:38:15.200 go, did I miss something? Because I have the capacity of being wrong. I've been wrong plenty

00:38:19.620 of times in my life. And so when those things would happen, I would get this phone call from

00:38:23.520 someone that I hadn't spoken to in six years, somebody I met at the FBI Academy or maybe a

00:38:28.000 stranger who picked up the phone and knew one of my friends and said, hey, I felt compelled to reach

00:38:31.700 out to you and share this story with you. And it'd be a story about some FBI senior executive that

00:38:36.260 was involved in, you know, sexual behavior that was unbecoming of a senior executive, you know,

00:38:40.700 sleeping with a secretary or something, or they were stealing, or they were breaking the law in

00:38:44.580 this way, or they were, you know, whatever they were doing, it was just a reaffirmation. It's like

00:38:48.460 the enemy that you are facing is an enemy, and it is legitimately on the wrong side of these things.

00:38:55.260 And I think that the last election we had kind of affirmed some of these mandates were incorrect.

00:39:01.120 One of the funniest things that I have is I'm currently in the middle of a lawsuit with my federal government.

00:39:05.000 I'm suing the current administration because they carry on from the old administration.

00:39:09.420 And they haven't rolled over, by the way.

00:39:11.720 And we're suing them for COVID improprieties.

00:39:15.000 We're suing them because of the things that I said they did.

00:39:18.580 And I know that we're right because, number one, they have black letter violations of Title VII, which is our religious protections in the U.S.

00:39:25.640 The second thing that's really funny is that we're suing them.

00:39:28.760 And the man who did the things that I allege he did was fired for the very reasons I've alleged by the guy that I helped get into the office that I currently continue to call out.

00:39:37.960 So Kash Patel fired a guy named Spencer Evans specifically for his overzealous and inappropriate implementation of COVID policy.

00:39:44.740 And I'm the one who gave Patel the name of who this guy is.

00:39:47.800 And the federal government is still defending the implementation of those policies, despite the fact that they fired him for those.

00:39:53.820 And I've got his termination letter.

00:39:55.220 And is that a policy to defend the policies or have they chosen to say, no, we were right?

00:40:01.040 Yeah, this is the broader question.

00:40:02.400 And I think what I say in kind of a little pithy way is that you cannot do reform with the same people.

00:40:07.560 And so 90 plus percent of the American federal government, I imagine whenever there's elections, I studied party politics in the UK.

00:40:13.660 And I think that when you replace somebody and the overwhelming number of bureaucrats and the infrastructure remains the same, you're not going to get reform.

00:40:21.540 What you're going to get, this is the concept of a deep state, which is not sexy and it's not a movie and it's not meeting people and handing envelopes off in a parking garage or something to this effect.

00:40:31.520 It's just people who know that their job outlasts whatever the current elected administration is every time.

00:40:38.020 They are the power. And I do want to get to the current administration, but I just want to touch

00:40:41.980 on something you mentioned when you said that you may lose your home and you had a family,

00:40:47.240 you had a young family, because that's so significant and people need to hear that.

00:40:50.760 Quite often when I'm talking to people about the spiritual war that we're in, they'll say,

00:40:54.380 you know, I would speak out, but I've got to look after my wife. I've got two kids. I've got young

00:40:57.740 kids. Everyone has something. Everyone has something that they love or someone that they

00:41:01.640 love and they have to protect, which is good and ordered. However, there is a priority system and

00:41:06.860 God and truth comes first. And that's difficult to put across to people when you say, you may

00:41:11.500 have to lose your job to be in the right here. And that means you may have to think about how

00:41:15.780 you're going to feed your family. You may lose your home. You may have to think about how you're

00:41:19.320 going to put a roof over your family's head. How did you balance that? Well, my wife and I had a

00:41:24.180 single question that was really easy to answer for us. And so we just moved from there. But I do

00:41:28.300 think that if you think that you can do the right thing and there will be no cost, then I think that

00:41:33.840 you have probably have a very different belief system than me. If you look, and this is the

00:41:38.060 argument I think that is in favor of why I know that Christianity is what it is and why it rings

00:41:42.820 true to me. And it's not something I thought about beforehand, but the original 12 disciples,

00:41:47.220 one betrays and 11 minus, I guess, 10. So John made it out and he sort of like escaped to an

00:41:52.880 island. You've got 10 that were put to death in various unsavory ways. And people went, yeah,

00:41:59.160 that's so true that I'm willing to be part of that. And I understand that it might involve my

00:42:02.780 life. So broadly speaking, we have law enforcement, law enforcement and military. And the idea is,

00:42:10.140 and having been in both sides of that, you're theoretically pledging your life. And what I saw,

00:42:15.120 and I think COVID was a big revealer of this, is that we had people who theoretically have pledged

00:42:18.720 their life to protect us and our way of life and our safety and our liberty and so on. And those

00:42:23.780 people weren't even able to lose their job. And how on earth would they lose their life to protect

00:42:28.040 me so that made a very uh poignant impact on me and so i remembered something real simply my wife

00:42:33.060 and i had this conversation we're in new mexico this is as we were putting our house on the market

00:42:36.540 which was a was a thing it was a beautiful house it was on two acres we were out and we could see

00:42:41.440 the mountains in our backyard i used to tell people we had about a five million dollar view

00:42:45.020 for you know one tenth the price kind of thing i could look out and see the mountains which were

00:42:49.160 called the organs outside of las cruces new mexico and they were maybe 500 600 meters from the base

00:42:55.060 of my backyard to to the foothills before they went straight up a couple thousand feet i mean

00:42:59.120 it was it was incredible and we had all variety of wildlife and the kids would go and do these

00:43:04.260 nature walks with me in the back and we had you know coyotes and we had rabbits and we had

00:43:08.060 tarantulas and these weird monster creatures that look like a cross between a spider and a scorpion

00:43:13.880 it was all weird stuff out there it's just fun cactus and mule deer and all that and the

00:43:19.460 conversation was real simple it's like we're standing in the master bedroom which is beautiful

00:43:22.500 and great look at the kind of the sunset.

00:43:25.340 And my wife goes, you're going to have to answer one day.

00:43:28.580 You know, you're going to have to explain to your children

00:43:30.500 and you're going to have to be able to say,

00:43:33.240 the world is completely not the way that I intended it

00:43:37.620 for you to be as you step into it.

00:43:40.160 And my answer is going to have to be,

00:43:41.880 what did I do to try to make it better?

00:43:44.000 What did I do?

00:43:44.560 What did I accept that allowed this to happen?

00:43:47.280 And so that was it.

00:43:48.220 I just look at myself in the mirror and I just said,

00:43:50.140 am I going to be the guy who looks at my kids and said,

00:43:51.720 i did everything i could and that's why we didn't have the job and maybe we lost a home but at least

00:43:56.020 we knew we were on the right side of this or am i going to be the guy that says hey i kept my

00:43:59.240 paycheck i kept my pension i kept us fed i kept a roof over our heads and so you know sorry that

00:44:04.240 the country has fallen apart and sorry that your government has overrun all your freedoms in some

00:44:07.800 sort of tyrannical way but but at least we got you know a paycheck and a pension and that wasn't

00:44:12.200 that wasn't going to be a good answer for me it's also temporary isn't it but i see it so often

00:44:16.240 which brings me to i want to ask you about the current administration because when we see cash

00:44:20.980 Patel and Dan Bongino going into office we think this is great these people have been saying we're

00:44:24.800 gonna drain the swamp and the fed's gonna get fixed this is amazing and then and I used to go

00:44:30.600 on Dan's show all the time uh I used to have a lot of respect for Dan and then they come out and

00:44:34.760 they're like you're like what what did you do what did you have what happened here well obviously

00:44:39.660 cash is still there but Dan came out and I'm seeing Dan's now attacking people on the right

00:44:43.780 like the whole it's all shifted from attacking the establishment and wanting to drain the swamp

00:44:47.960 to becoming a part of the establishment uh in fact when Bongino left office I messaged him say

00:44:53.680 are you okay is everything all right like pastorally I thought something's happened here

00:44:57.600 it is it just that it's too immovable that you it's it's demotivating or is it that it's much

00:45:04.500 darker than we on the outside think and therefore spiritually you just have to back off and like

00:45:09.420 what do you what I mean it's a speculation obviously but what do you think is going on

00:45:13.000 behind the scenes that Kash Patel and Dan Bongino these these big names have gone into the fed and

00:45:17.120 not managed to actually do anything and the pedophiles the pedophilic jeffrey epstein elite

00:45:21.800 are still there you know the conspirators still haven't been arrested and nothing changes so i've

00:45:27.540 got a kind of an unusual insight i was speaking to cash patel uh up until maybe the day before he

00:45:33.600 was confirmed by the senate and so i gave he said some of the things that i recommended he said

00:45:38.420 while he was in the confirmation hearing i gave him a um sort of a comprehensive plan on how you

00:45:44.700 would attack the fbi and and de-weaponize it against the american people which is not a partisan

00:45:49.460 position by the way interestingly enough i have people from nbc cbs uh atlantic you know new york

00:45:55.420 times on a regular basis reach out to me at this point now they've recognized it it's like i wasn't

00:45:59.620 ever pointing out something with the biden administration that's an american position

00:46:02.880 yeah it's a patriotic yeah the intent the entrenched bureaucracy is my enemy um and i was i was

00:46:08.220 remembering i have a friend who's a orthodox christian and he pointed out he sent me an

00:46:11.660 excerpt from one of Machiavelli's writing. And essentially the paragraph explains that you

00:46:16.580 cannot do reform in government without exile or execution. Whoever's working in that bureaucratic

00:46:22.300 entity, you got really two choices. And generally speaking, we don't kill people anymore in a

00:46:26.240 civilized society, but that means they have to go away. And that may not mean that they go away from

00:46:30.340 the country in the sense that maybe the 16th century Italians were doing, but you really do 0.96

00:46:36.780 have to send people away from that job. They have to be, you have to create distance in there. 0.99

00:46:41.660 And so here's what I think happened.

00:46:43.580 I think Patel came in with, in bad faith.

00:46:49.320 I'm trying to say this in a way that's the most succinct.

00:46:53.200 He told me something that I should have,

00:46:55.680 that bothered me at the time,

00:46:56.760 but it didn't bother me enough to reflect on it.

00:46:58.940 And of course, hindsight being what it is.

00:47:00.700 He said something to the effect of,

00:47:02.600 you know, I really want a job in this administration

00:47:04.020 and I would work equally well as the FBI director

00:47:06.580 or the CIA director.

00:47:08.880 Now that's one of two things.

00:47:10.160 That tells me that you only want a job for the sake of being a job, that you want to

00:47:13.560 be a somebody, and it doesn't matter what that somebody is, and you don't really have

00:47:16.280 any aspirations outside of being that somebody.

00:47:17.920 That's probably the most likely.

00:47:19.560 It also tells me that you don't know what those animals are.

00:47:22.180 The CIA and the FBI are dramatically different.

00:47:25.220 They are drastically different in culture and organization and in mission, and you cannot

00:47:29.320 equally be well-suited to be one director of one or the other.

00:47:32.700 You cannot be.

00:47:33.400 That's absurd.

00:47:34.760 There's not a person right now that's running around that has both the backgrounds for both

00:47:38.020 of those things.

00:47:38.380 so when he said that it bothered me but it didn't bother me enough to say to recognize you know that

00:47:42.620 it was a pattern now looking back you know 18 months later it's pretty clear what that was

00:47:46.900 uh daniel bongino different story and i always call him daniel because thomas massey does and

00:47:51.300 i just find it very entertaining kind of like using the full name of a child when they've done

00:47:54.960 wrong and scolding so i think it's funny but uh daniel he came in uh so my first public appearance

00:48:01.500 anywhere of any kind was on daniel bongino's show um i and this is actually a fairly dramatic

00:48:07.200 moment i took the phone call did you ever see the movie fight club okay so brad pitts picks up the

00:48:13.500 phone at the payphone and ed norton's calling him because his condo burned down and brad pitts on

00:48:17.680 the other end of the line and he's like eating peanuts or something crunchy and so you hear

00:48:20.860 this like kind of crunching right daniel and i had our first phone call and i was sitting on the

00:48:26.560 patio of the house that was listed for sale and about to sell or maybe it was already in process

00:48:30.640 maybe we're an escrow and i'm sitting out there looking at the mountains outdoors you know knowing

00:48:35.660 I'm going to miss all this stuff. And I said, you know, I'm willing to come talk to you. I'd

00:48:38.680 spoken to his producer previously, but only, you know, kind of under certain parameters.

00:48:42.880 And I don't have any aspirations of doing this for fame or for notoriety or anything else. I've

00:48:46.900 just, he made a plea that said the American people need to put a face to the words. It's

00:48:52.380 one thing to hear a pundit say something. It's quite another for someone to have lost something

00:48:55.620 and come forward and say, this is what's wrong with the system. And I don't have an agenda.

00:48:59.400 And I told him, I was like, I'm not a Democrat. I'm not a Republican. I'm an independent

00:49:03.160 conservative. I'm far to the right of all of you people at the end of the day. I'm a gun owner.

00:49:07.760 I'm a veteran. I'm a husband. I'm a father. These are the things that defined me. Being an FBI agent

00:49:12.000 was a temporary moment and I'm not that anymore. So I'll come talk to you, but I kind of need some

00:49:18.440 assurances because I'm kind of putting my life in your hands. And he said, I'm going to keep your

00:49:21.480 story up like an advocate. I don't need the money. That was something he told me. And I went, oh,

00:49:25.280 okay. So this is the guy that was in it for the reasons that I would hope that somebody would be

00:49:28.880 in it for. So I went to go out there. We left the closing table. We drove off. My wife went

00:49:34.360 one direction. She went to Arizona to go stay with my family and my parents in their three 0.98

00:49:38.260 bedroom house with my three kids. And I drove south to the airport in El Paso, which is right

00:49:43.580 on the edge of not being America. And I parked my truck in the long term and I went and I got on a

00:49:48.060 plane and I flew to Miami and it was an ordeal. And I had some temptations along the way. I had

00:49:52.780 James O'Keefe and Project Veritas reach out and tell me to pull back and come and tell the story

00:49:56.800 with us and we'll raise you a bunch of money and we'll make sure that your family is, you know,

00:49:59.960 taken care of and all this stuff. And I went, no, I'm in this, I'm in this situation because of who

00:50:04.220 I am and what I am. And what I, what I am is somebody who gives their word and that I follow

00:50:07.300 through on it. So when I said that I was going to, you know, when I was going to defend the

00:50:11.480 constitution, I actually meant it. And it's naive and patriotic and kind of more nostalgic than it

00:50:16.200 is realistic. But I actually believe the constitution should mean something. And that's

00:50:20.060 what my oath was to. And it wasn't any government or any president. I flew out from losing my home

00:50:25.740 and i went to go do my first interview we talked for two hours no prep i think it was another one

00:50:30.520 of those little moments where you step in and you realize you're where you're supposed to be

00:50:34.480 i walked onto the the studio set they had they had a little set in a little room and it was a rental

00:50:39.660 and daniel's wearing brown shoes and blue jeans and a black t-shirt and i was wearing brown boots

00:50:49.060 and blue jeans and a black t-shirt and we looked like we color coordinated so we put on a blazer

00:50:54.020 that he had there in the car.

00:50:55.580 And so he didn't look identical.

00:50:56.900 And then we sat down and we did this interview

00:50:58.100 and we talked for two hours with no stop.

00:51:00.440 And it wasn't my best media appearance ever,

00:51:02.420 but I didn't have any practice.

00:51:04.300 And I think the things we said

00:51:05.720 were really impactful for people.

00:51:07.680 And so I think he used to have the right idea.

00:51:11.260 The problem is,

00:51:12.000 is that he never had any institutional knowledge

00:51:13.920 of what the FBI was.

00:51:15.240 So we had Cash Patel,

00:51:16.560 who I think has a very different situation. 1.00

00:51:17.880 I think bad faith actor,

00:51:19.180 I think interested in being somebody,

00:51:20.900 that somebody is very negotiable.

00:51:22.460 I think the fact that he's not grounded in having a wife and children and you know

00:51:26.380 He's a 46 year old man who essentially has lived like either a playboy or boy, you know

00:51:30.160 Kind of a political operative who's kind of snaked his way up to the top of something

00:51:33.420 And he wants to keep the something

00:51:35.760 Reminds me of the pumping iron movie where arnold schwarzenegger says, you know

00:51:39.180 The guy at the top of the mountain will fight extra hard because he wants to keep

00:51:41.580 The thing at the top of the mountain

00:51:43.080 So he's doing that and I think he's working on behalf of the fbi, but he's not good at it

00:51:47.040 So they kind of hate him and people that are in the maga movement are kind of irritated with him and people like me

00:51:51.540 that are conservatives who just wanted him to reform the animal, I would still give him credit

00:51:55.380 if he did it. He just hasn't done it. I don't think he will. Daniel's different story. I think

00:51:59.300 he went in there without the requisite knowledge in a job that requires 20 years of experience.

00:52:04.340 And there's no way, you know, I can hold him accountable for the way that he talks and I can

00:52:08.160 hold him accountable for what he's done to people afterwards. And he's very aggressive. And I think

00:52:12.700 that he's operating in bad faith at this point because he's now done the same thing that happens

00:52:17.360 to every person that comes out of the FBI.

00:52:19.340 Historically, these agencies,

00:52:21.100 and it doesn't matter whether it's CIA or DIA or NSA

00:52:23.320 or retired people out of the military,

00:52:25.540 generally speaking, once I've wed my reputation

00:52:28.700 to that of an agency and the agency continues,

00:52:32.320 it is in my best interest to speak on behalf of the agency

00:52:35.120 as though it is good, reformable,

00:52:37.000 that the things that we did were good,

00:52:38.580 that it will continue to be good.

00:52:39.820 It may not be great right now, but it can be reformed.

00:52:42.300 You're locked into this position.

00:52:43.980 And I'm free because my reputation

00:52:46.480 is based on critiquing it so i can do things that nobody else does including people that are retired

00:52:51.200 because you know me talking badly about my former agency when it's necessary that's what my rep is

00:52:56.640 on and i think when i say things like look you could be mad about a lot of things but this is

00:53:00.800 not one of them this is something they do well i think that also holds additional gravity because

00:53:05.160 who who am i to say nice things about the fbi but i will when it's necessary because i you know i'm

00:53:10.500 not i'm not locked into a narrative in any case dan went into a job that has historically had 20

00:53:15.420 years of FBI experience. He didn't have it. So he didn't know the people. He didn't know the

00:53:18.880 culture. He didn't know who owed who what or who was lying to him when. And he stepped into a brood

00:53:23.420 of vipers who legitimately spend their time recruiting sources, turning people. This is what

00:53:30.860 that skill set is. Most of the people that end up in FBI senior management came out of the national

00:53:34.600 security background, which is very different than working criminal cases. It's much more circular

00:53:38.680 and it's much more, I think, nefarious as opposed to people that are like, this is the facts. This

00:53:43.260 is what happened in a linear way we're going to pursue the truth so i i think he i think he

00:53:48.940 probably dealt with something that he was never in the right depth for and then unfortunately for him

00:53:54.340 uh he had no he thought that his his reputation was tied to it and i think that's partly partly

00:53:59.000 because of his loyalty to donald trump so there was a personal loyalty to trump and then claiming

00:54:03.680 that everything that donald trump does is great which is kind of the mo of that that administration

00:54:08.960 So it's institutionalized, but it's also cultish, and that's not unhelpful when you're calling

00:54:13.060 people panicans and stuff for sticking to the principles that you had five minutes ago anyway.

00:54:17.420 That's right.

00:54:18.280 Well, it's a shame. Do you have any hope that the institutions can be reformed?

00:54:22.760 Not at all, but that doesn't mean that I don't have hope. I just don't have hope in institutions.

00:54:27.340 I actually don't think that—I think right now, and I think this may be the case in England,

00:54:31.520 although I've studied it far less in Britain, that I think these institutions have built up

00:54:36.940 scaffoldings and the principles that they were built on had been eroded so aggressively that

00:54:41.160 they are just they are sort of subsisting the status quo continues because that's what has to

00:54:46.260 happen i tried to explain it to a doctor uh who is an atheist interestingly enough in las vegas

00:54:50.540 this weekend and she said you know there must be something we can do and i said why why must there

00:54:56.140 be something and you know obviously if you live in a world where this is it then you hope for an

00:55:00.340 outcome that's going to win and my colleague was with me and he said you're a christian right she

00:55:03.600 said no and he said well you'll never understand what's going on here which is even more interesting

00:55:06.940 to me but i think i think broadly speaking we're dealing with and this is a really ugly way of

00:55:12.200 explaining it we're dealing with a multi-polar multi-faceted self-interested and self-propagating

00:55:18.740 organism of government and so even if you were to be able to defeat certain aspects of it or

00:55:24.940 certain agencies within it and you were able to reform them the the culture and then also sort

00:55:30.260 of the self-interest of mike benz calls it the blob it continues to absorb that stuff so if you

00:55:36.060 fix one agency and the agency will either be kicked out, discarded, or it will collapse and

00:55:41.580 then it'll grow itself back up in the same way in its own image. And so I don't think we can do it.

00:55:45.720 I think it just has to naturally collapse. I just don't know when that'll be.

00:55:49.340 It's refreshing to hear you say that. I think it's a perspective that is mostly found amongst

00:55:52.960 American Christians, traditionalist Christians at least, what the media would paint us for, right?

00:55:58.140 Back home in Britain, it's hard to get that message across because conservatism is about

00:56:01.860 preserving, right? And so it's about preserving those institutions because they were good when

00:56:05.420 they were founded, such as the BBC or the MI5. And now they've progressed so far to become either

00:56:12.780 entirely liberal or entirely Marxist, whichever lens you look through, to the point that all

00:56:17.460 you're preserving now is the enemy. You're not preserving what was good. But they've become so

00:56:22.180 used to the fact that their whole ideology as a conservative is to preserve. And so they can't

00:56:26.320 break free of that mindset, which is why the institution will outlive them. But would you

00:56:32.040 say you have to become an accelerationist and you have to help the institutions become destroyed or

00:56:37.460 do you just sit back and wait because then you become passive the argument for a christian is

00:56:42.580 obviously we're in the world but not of the world so we do have to partake but how far do you draw

00:56:46.260 that line that's a great question by the way and i think that is the question that most people

00:56:51.080 struggle with so i'll answer that with um just to reflect on what you said about conservatism

00:56:56.400 And I think that most people who are conservative are making a very easy mistake to make. They are conflating patriotism with nostalgia. And I credit that to my friend Steve Friend who pointed this out to me. They love something, but that thing doesn't exist anymore.

00:57:13.760 And so again, so now you're out there and you're propagating the enemy by preserving it. And I always ask people, it's really hard to get people to answer the question. You just ask conservatives, what are you conserving? And I want specifics. And I want to know what mechanism by which are you conserving it? And the answer is that you basically are not in the culture. You might be able to narrowly affect things in your own space.

00:57:33.720 regarding the question of acceleration. I think it's a legitimate answer. I think it's a reasonable

00:57:38.880 thing to think of. Um, I'm not there. There's a cynicism that goes along with that as well.

00:57:44.220 And I'm not prepared to say that, um, you know, the enemy of the system or, uh, you know,

00:57:48.920 encouraging the system to its own demise is going to be where I'm at. Cause I don't know that I have

00:57:51.940 that power. And it's, it's, it's almost too dark and cynical for me to get excited about. I, I get

00:57:57.280 it. I know where it comes from. I also think that there's an, an attitude of, uh, you know,

00:58:02.420 maybe just war and appropriate violence if used properly,

00:58:05.420 if we knew who the people were that needed to be taken off this planet to be

00:58:09.820 able to sort of make human beings prosper again, 0.90

00:58:12.880 I think those people would be dead.

00:58:14.820 And so that's a dark way of looking at it.

00:58:16.700 But what I'm saying is I think the,

00:58:17.700 the problem is so large and it's so distributed.

00:58:22.220 There's no obvious answer to it.

00:58:23.760 So what I've done is I've also looked at that and said, well, look,

00:58:26.800 I would like to see changes in my federal government.

00:58:29.040 And I actually thought I had a shot at it because I was talking to the guys

00:58:31.420 who went in there and did it.

00:58:32.420 They said the right things. They knew the right things. They claimed they were going to do the right things. They got in. They didn't do it. So I know the federal government is out of my reach, even in the place like my former agency where I worked. And I'm maybe not an expert, but I've talked to all the experts that need to be discussed. And we had, I don't know, a couple hundred years worth of experience on a 20-page PowerPoint plan of here's where your day zero action's in, your day one. And here's the actual people you need to remove. And here's the people you need to secure in your positioning. And here's how you get rid of people that are not with the agenda.

00:59:02.000 we had a really detailed war plan to go in and solve this problem and and it failed um and again

00:59:09.000 like i said i was talking to the person who was going to go in there and make that decision

00:59:11.640 so i can't fix the federal government i know i can't fix my state government my state government

00:59:15.080 i live in texas it's enormous and uh it's as untouchable as the the federal and i also found

00:59:21.400 out that i can't really fix anything even in the town i live in there's maybe 60 000 people live

00:59:24.920 in the town and i live in a neighborhood where we have a two-way stop sign and it should be a

00:59:29.000 four-way stop sign because on a regular basis, people run into each other there probably on a

00:59:32.300 weekly basis, definitely a few times a month. And so I reached out to them and I said, you know,

00:59:36.140 I'd really like an $800 stop sign. If you leave it, I'll put the post hole in myself. Like I'm

00:59:39.920 happy to do the work on it. We need to put a stop sign here so people can stop and not running and

00:59:43.620 stop running into each other. And I can't affect that change either in the world. So what that has

00:59:48.220 done, and you know, there's one way that you could look at it in sort of a bleak way, but what I think

00:59:51.720 it does is it, it removes the average person from the analysis paralysis of looking at an enormous

00:59:57.080 menu and saying, what do I choose? Have you ever been to the place In-N-Out? It's a burger place

01:00:03.020 that was, okay. Have you ever been to this? Oh yeah. Animal style fries. Yep. So In-N-Out

01:00:08.240 basically gives you the option. Do you want a cheeseburger? Do you want a hamburger? And how

01:00:11.320 many patties do you want? That's the only thing they sell. And I think that, and they do a booming

01:00:16.080 business. There's always a line out the door because people can go in. They know exactly what

01:00:19.180 they're going to get. I know exactly what I can do. What I can do is I can work on, I call it the

01:00:22.260 six Fs. I think it's really easy. I started off with four. I got up to six. I think it's the right

01:00:25.960 answer. These are F-bombs that everybody can hear. The first one is faith. You can work on that. We

01:00:30.260 all struggle. Every one of us is deficient in faith, so there's unlimited work to do there.

01:00:34.460 We can all work on our families. We all have better ways of relating to people in our own

01:00:38.240 household, so we should do that too. I think we can all work on our physical fitness. There's not

01:00:42.200 a person I know. Even the top-tier athletes are working to cut off that edge, and most of us are

01:00:47.020 not top-tier athletes, so we can work on fitness. I think in the United States, we work on firearms.

01:00:51.880 That's a thing. That's your ability to defend yourself from external force and be able to

01:00:55.100 Keep those people inside your household safe from whatever external pressures come in.

01:00:59.900 And then you have to worry about your fundamentals of food or food and farming.

01:01:03.860 So you can kind of have a little slash in there, whether you store food and can it and freeze

01:01:08.060 dry it, or whether you're out there growing it yourself or a little mixture of both.

01:01:11.200 These things allow you to continue on when everything else fails.

01:01:13.960 And the last one, you kind of have to have fun with it because this is kind of a ridiculous

01:01:16.200 time to look out there and you could be in a very dark place.

01:01:19.600 So some gallows humor is probably welcome.

01:01:21.180 so i i've kind of looked rather than saying accelerationism i'm like what what do i actually

01:01:26.540 have the ability to move the needle on and my needle is pretty narrow in scope and i'm if as

01:01:31.960 long as i accept that that's true and i think it is true then that's where i'm going to spend my

01:01:35.860 time and so i'm i do a podcast on a daily basis talking about sort of the sadness in american

01:01:41.280 politics and we do it with a very very healthy dose of sarcasm and and sort of sardonic wit

01:01:46.240 but it's not because i want everyone to think that there's something they can go change it's

01:01:50.560 It's like, you know, I kind of have the trademark of like nothing, you know, nothing's going

01:01:53.700 to happen.

01:01:54.620 Do we have a hearing?

01:01:55.400 What's going to come out of it?

01:01:56.120 Nothing.

01:01:56.880 We got the right people in office.

01:01:58.260 What's going to happen out of nothing?

01:01:59.240 They're either going to be co-opted or they're going to be, you know, they're going to be

01:02:02.540 quarantined and be ineffective.

01:02:04.740 So the answer is, is you should know all those things because you have to know what's going

01:02:08.800 on around you.

01:02:10.060 You should be aware of it so you can tell when the tide is changing, but it doesn't

01:02:14.520 mean that you're knowing it so that you can go out there and make an impact on it because

01:02:17.000 I think it's absurd.

01:02:17.620 And I also think that that lets people, again, my buddy's point, if you're not a Christian, it's very difficult to accept that this is it. Here you are. You may be a man. You may be of above average cerebral capabilities. You may have some physical capabilities in the world to affect change in your little space. And you recognize that like, I can't even change my neighbors. I can't even make my neighbor mow their grass if they don't want to.

01:02:38.840 So how much change and how much push can I really expect from any of these larger bullseyes?

01:02:44.540 And so I just looked inward and said, I know what I can affect.

01:02:47.440 I can affect my two-year-old daughter.

01:02:49.880 I can affect my five-year-old son.

01:02:51.860 I can love them and do things that maybe I think maybe my parents felt deficient in my

01:02:55.760 childhood, and I'll make my own new mistakes.

01:02:58.680 So we can fix the things that we can just in our very, very small sphere.

01:03:02.480 And that turns out to be kind of liberating, by the way, because who wants the responsibility

01:03:06.120 of trying to fix this huge problem

01:03:08.200 when the problem is obviously

01:03:09.380 way too big for any of us.

01:03:11.100 And we can obviously pray for it as well.

01:03:12.620 So that's, I think.

01:03:13.460 That's wonderful.

01:03:14.080 That's what we do.

01:03:14.600 Yeah, there is no political answer.

01:03:16.220 And the actual things we can impact

01:03:18.180 are very small,

01:03:19.080 but that means we can have

01:03:19.880 a big impact on them.

01:03:21.140 And you're right.

01:03:21.760 I keep telling people all the time,

01:03:23.240 get married, have children,

01:03:24.320 teach them the faith.

01:03:25.100 This is how we turn the tide.

01:03:27.340 I think we were discussing off here before.

01:03:29.340 It may have been early in the interview,

01:03:30.680 but the idea that we are being invaded,

01:03:33.440 there is a great replacement.

01:03:34.740 It is not a theory.

01:03:35.580 it is not a slippery slope fallacy, it is real. There is massive numbers of people coming in from

01:03:40.600 other countries with other cultures and other faiths and other ideologies coming into the West, 0.99

01:03:44.460 into America, into Britain, and they are outbreeding Britons and Americans. And the only 0.99

01:03:48.920 way to turn that around is for Americans and Britons to breed more, quite literally, to go 0.89

01:03:53.380 forth and multiply, to do what we've been commanded by our God. And we won't be handed over

01:04:00.360 to the foreigners anymore we will be taking back our land and under his name it has to be prayer 0.99

01:04:05.380 first action second but it is simple it really is simple um there's an additional thing people 1.00

01:04:10.860 don't realize that their role in this maybe you have children so i've got four and if we have

01:04:14.180 another one you know you know god willing we'll have more children um but my role is letting young

01:04:19.240 people know that there are no answers there is no amount of money that you need to be able to have

01:04:22.820 a baby and then that also means that you have a responsibility to support those in your community

01:04:26.860 that are stepping up and having babies that are young

01:04:28.640 because they're going to face difficulties.

01:04:30.720 It's the guy next door to me who's having a child

01:04:33.000 and the girlfriend goes nuts and gets deported.

01:04:37.140 And so now he's by himself and he's raising a baby.

01:04:39.140 It's like, well, we support a single father.

01:04:40.560 Will we do that?

01:04:41.120 We should. 0.98

01:04:41.940 If they need someone to drop the baby with

01:04:43.360 because he's got to go to work,

01:04:44.580 then we step into that role

01:04:46.060 because we're blessed enough to be able to do that.

01:04:48.520 So you do have a responsibility,

01:04:50.620 even when maybe you're outside the realm of procreating

01:04:55.060 or you think you're biologically not likely to have children again, so be it. We still have

01:04:59.820 responsibilities to our community. And so as a conservative, I don't want government answering

01:05:04.420 these problems for me. I want to look and say, who is in my neighborhood? Who is at my church?

01:05:09.960 Who's in my parish? Who are the people that I can, that I'm, you know, made aware of that I'm

01:05:14.720 supposed to be helping? And the craziest thing, and I live this in my own life because I've never

01:05:18.640 had a ton of money, but I had a pretty decent amount of money. My first year I came into the

01:05:22.340 podcast and we had some options and we had some backers. We had a financial backer, which was

01:05:26.100 a Catholic organization of all things that stepped up out of nowhere, literally out of nowhere. We

01:05:30.960 shook hands over a breakfast in a city I didn't live in. And we had a 21 month agreement where

01:05:35.980 they underwrote my podcast and made sure my family didn't go hungry. So the first time that we ever

01:05:40.540 had, you know, I was on a W2 my whole life, which means the government gets the first crack in taxes

01:05:46.420 before I get my money. For the first time I was in charge of money first, it came in through like

01:05:50.420 a contracted basis. So all my money was mine. And then at the end of the year, I had to pay the

01:05:54.040 government and having more of my money than I've ever had before at any time. The first thing I

01:05:59.900 did was take care of neighbors. And I, you know, I gave away a vehicle that was a couple thousand

01:06:03.640 dollars. And if I had, you know, if I had a neighbor that had a financial problem and I knew

01:06:07.500 about it, which I did, because I was in tune to my neighbors, then we gave them money. We just gave

01:06:11.680 them an envelope and said, this is, this is what we feel like we're supposed to be doing for you

01:06:14.480 right now. And we've never mentioned again. And interestingly enough, if you're a conservative

01:06:19.160 and you do want the government out of your business,

01:06:21.280 you have to follow up with that,

01:06:22.520 which is that when you do have the government

01:06:24.600 out of your business, you have to live like that.

01:06:26.700 Like you're the one who's going to be responsible

01:06:28.040 and you take it away from,

01:06:29.860 I'm paying into some government charity that is mandated

01:06:33.240 and you live like a person who says,

01:06:35.640 I believe that we're supposed to handle this on our own,

01:06:38.180 in our community, through faith,

01:06:39.660 through our connections to human beings that live nearby.

01:06:43.520 So you got to act like it,

01:06:44.460 whether it be taking care of babies or handing money out

01:06:46.360 or whatever it needs to do.

01:06:47.120 So there is a role in there that is more active than passive.

01:06:50.600 And I think people probably, when they see it and they recognize what they're being called to do, then they go, oh, yeah, that's what I'm preaching.

01:06:56.940 Now I need to practice it.

01:06:58.040 It's just very local.

01:06:58.980 And the government isn't good at answering local questions.

01:07:01.880 And you're quite right.

01:07:02.860 It's the church's job to step in.

01:07:04.380 And I don't mean the hierarchy.

01:07:05.520 I mean us as Christians together to step in.

01:07:07.860 That's where charity should be first and foremost.

01:07:10.080 If there's a neighbor in need, you as a Christian should step in and help them.

01:07:13.180 And we'll push back a little bit on the local politics thing, because I think you could, as a church, take over your local government. 0.99

01:07:19.580 You could get that stop sign put in by getting rid of the wets who are in those positions already and make sure you guys get elected instead. 1.00

01:07:26.580 I agree. I think that's true only if you have real elections. 1.00

01:07:29.560 And I'm fairly confident that if elections were actually important, then we wouldn't be allowed to do them here.

01:07:35.140 I'm that cynical, I suppose.

01:07:36.680 Don't get too jaded.

01:07:37.980 Some of the system, I mean, the system is bad, but some of the system can be manipulated to our advantage if we act right.

01:07:43.180 It just makes me laugh to say it that way. But I think oftentimes there are forces that are

01:07:50.780 probably bigger than me. And I agree. If the whole of a faith community were to come together,

01:07:54.600 I think you could probably impact change. The problem that I continue to see, and I don't know

01:07:58.300 if this is the case in Britain as well, but I mean, I see people with her body, her choice

01:08:04.760 stickers at a Catholic mass. And I start thinking, what on earth have you ingested that has allowed

01:08:10.620 you to believe these things that are antithetical to Christian positions. They are not compatible 0.73

01:08:14.940 with your belief structure. If you're doing the same thing I am in the same building that I'm

01:08:18.380 doing it in. And so I see this all the time. I mean, first we have to win back our own communities

01:08:23.460 and our own churches. And so that's another story. And probably that's where the fight probably

01:08:27.240 starts, I guess. That's so true. The church is getting smaller and smaller, not in terms of

01:08:30.800 number, but in terms of faith. The church continues to grow in terms of number, but the number of

01:08:34.900 people with the true faith gets diminished every day. I think a remnant is probably forming of

01:08:40.240 people who truly believe in the christian faith not some wishy-washy liberal perspective of it

01:08:45.580 where i can do whatever i want to be affirmed in my sin that's not christianity but that's what's

01:08:49.320 being taught and that's what's being lived and i think our job as as orthodox christians is to

01:08:54.060 to do the opposite is to live the true faith and that still sets an example to those who aren't

01:08:59.100 doing it they'll still feel judged by it they will still feel a calling to do to be better

01:09:03.340 so i had maybe one of the most humbling things happen to me since i've started speaking out so

01:09:09.300 my podcast began January-ish of 2023. Again, not a thing I planned. It was monetized almost

01:09:15.520 instantly because we had some financial backers that came in through a Catholic organization and

01:09:18.560 said, we want to make your voice something. And it didn't justify it based on size. But I think

01:09:24.440 the message was there. I found out since then in a way that, like I said, it's truly humbling and

01:09:29.340 it's actually kind of uncomfortable. I was never a guy, if you'd told me when I'm in my 20s that

01:09:33.040 I'd be out telling people about Christianity and that's the way to live and trying to set an

01:09:38.260 example, as a father and a husband, I'd be like, nah, that doesn't sound like me at all. And it

01:09:41.920 doesn't. It doesn't sound like the way that I would have looked at myself in my 20s and even

01:09:45.640 in my 30s. In my teens, I was at altar server and I spent time in a Jesuit formation. So I went

01:09:52.080 through Jesuit training in high school, but it just, it wouldn't have been me. I've never been

01:09:56.740 evangelical in any way, shape or form. I've never been a proselytizer. And I had a discussion with

01:10:01.580 a woman standing at a playground while I was homeless, essentially. I mean, I had a place to

01:10:05.860 day, but it wasn't my home. And I'm there with my children who are playing on this playground.

01:10:09.480 And she was a woman who also had a COVID story. And so she had been a nurse and I had been an

01:10:14.020 FBI agent. And we just were two parents connecting for 20 minutes and talking about what was going

01:10:19.120 on. And she asked what I was doing and how I thought I was going to survive. And I told her

01:10:22.700 the fact that my wife had been baptized the day before they took my badge and gun. I didn't think

01:10:26.360 it was an accident. And that we've been living with a lot of signs in our life that were very

01:10:31.140 discernible, like right in my face, like neon in a way that I'd never seen before. And I thought,

01:10:35.860 nothing of it. And I can't remember her name. I could look it up. But she reached out two years

01:10:41.060 later. She's going to my parents' church. And I was at my parents' house. So this is out in

01:10:44.980 Payson, Arizona. And she goes to church there. And her whole family got baptized into the Catholic

01:10:49.460 church there. I've had that story repeated to me probably over a dozen times. And so I don't know

01:10:54.840 how many people have turned around. I've had people tell me that because of the podcast and

01:10:58.320 because of the way that I'm, not because I preach it, but because I'm just trying to live it. And

01:11:01.820 And I'm genuinely happier than most people, even though I'm kind of a crabby kind of guy

01:11:05.720 when it comes to politics.

01:11:07.420 My life is full of joy every day.

01:11:09.300 I get to see my kids.

01:11:10.020 I wake up.

01:11:10.520 I hug my kids.

01:11:11.180 I do a 30-second commute up to my studio.

01:11:13.340 I do what I'm doing.

01:11:14.120 I talk to thousands of people.

01:11:15.740 And then I go back down and have lunch with my kids, which I just did before you and I

01:11:18.720 started talking.

01:11:19.740 So I get to spend a ton of time with those Fs.

01:11:23.240 And my wife is on her knees five times a day praying.

01:11:26.400 And that's an example to me, way more than I ever could be an example of them.

01:11:31.200 And so, you know, I'm a genuinely,

01:11:33.820 I'm living the thing that I don't need to preach it to anybody.

01:11:37.060 And so when I met that woman in Las Vegas,

01:11:38.760 who was an atheist, it's like,

01:11:39.920 I'm not going to argue with you about theology.

01:11:41.960 I might ask you some questions and challenge your beliefs

01:11:44.240 for you to figure out what the answer is.

01:11:46.180 And by the way, you can find how shallow those beliefs are right away.

01:11:49.200 I just asked the question why about three times

01:11:51.500 and we get to the bottom of the well for them.

01:11:53.180 It's like, why do you think these things are true?

01:11:54.940 Why do you think people have value?

01:11:56.280 Why do you think that your children should behave in a certain way?

01:11:58.540 If you can't answer those questions

01:11:59.980 or your answers are something about secular humanism,

01:12:02.380 all those things come out of a Western root

01:12:04.100 because you grew up in America

01:12:05.140 or you grew up in Britain

01:12:06.420 or you grew up in France

01:12:07.680 and there is a core belief system

01:12:09.480 of what we think right and wrong is

01:12:10.640 and it's shared, it turns out.

01:12:11.680 It goes back 2,000 years.

01:12:13.220 So it's fun to do that,

01:12:14.180 but I don't need to preach to you.

01:12:15.460 I just, it's gonna be me

01:12:17.320 and I'm, you know, sometimes funny, I hope.

01:12:20.840 I'm definitely sarcastic

01:12:22.400 and kind of like a dark wit

01:12:23.860 and I'm also a guy who,

01:12:26.160 if you meet me in person,

01:12:27.360 you're gonna find that like the thing

01:12:28.420 I care about most is my kids.

01:12:29.980 and my wife. And I'm just that guy. And so if that's not where you're at, if those things make

01:12:34.420 you sad, then maybe look, what is the thing that makes us combine? We have a Sunday morning ritual

01:12:39.500 and we have friends that go to church and we meet up with them and we have faith and community

01:12:42.820 together. And I just found out kind of a funny little moment. We just had the pastor at our

01:12:47.340 church switch out. And I heard him talking to the people in front of us. Everybody's lining up,

01:12:51.220 shake the pastor's hand and say, welcome to the church. And he mentions to the people in front

01:12:56.320 of me that he came out of houston and that he went to strake jesuit and strake jesuit is one

01:13:01.320 of the major jesuit high schools in texas there's probably like four of them i guess and i went to

01:13:04.980 the other one up in dallas and so i said i heard you went to strake you know when you were there

01:13:08.880 he says i was there 94 to 98 i said oh i was in dallas jesuit 96 to 2000 i said i wonder if we

01:13:14.760 ever had any sports overlaps and he says well um you know we weren't in the same sports league as

01:13:19.220 you and i said well you were when i was there and when you were there that stopped in 96 or 97 and

01:13:25.020 And he goes, oh yeah, that's right.

01:13:26.480 And I said, well, what was your sport?

01:13:27.640 He said, I was a swimmer.

01:13:29.260 I said, yeah, me too.

01:13:31.140 And he goes, well, what was your event?

01:13:33.060 I said, I swam the 500 and the 200.

01:13:35.200 And he said, me too.

01:13:36.200 And he goes, maybe that's why I recognize your name.

01:13:38.000 We probably compete.

01:13:38.820 We probably swim in the same pool

01:13:40.360 as 16 and 18 year olds together, or 14 and 16 year olds.

01:13:44.360 That's brilliant.

01:13:45.200 So just a small little world of things,

01:13:47.080 just kind of reaffirming that, okay,

01:13:49.000 sometimes if you can't look and say, hey,

01:13:50.880 I'm where I'm supposed to be, and you can ask,

01:13:54.240 If you got a minute, I'll give you the wildest sign that I've ever gotten.

01:13:57.720 You ready for this?

01:13:58.580 Because this is the stuff we have to, we have to open our minds up to some of these things.

01:14:01.900 First of all, my wife and I were trying to figure out if we were going to move from Texas

01:14:05.340 and Texas has its own problems. 1.00

01:14:07.040 I think it's being run by a lot of H1B visa holders. 1.00

01:14:09.800 So there's a massive Indian influx up in, um, in Dallas.

01:14:12.520 There's a huge amount in Austin.

01:14:13.880 It comes from the tech industries and so on, but it's not my culture.

01:14:16.540 And it's certainly not the Texas that I grew up in.

01:14:18.360 It's not the values have shifted and the political values have followed it.

01:14:23.160 the leader of the texas republican party our theoretically conservative party is a man who

01:14:28.240 was born in india and that is absurd and he says things like november and it's like that's not how

01:14:33.940 we pronounce things here and you can't tell me that we're going to have a red wave in november

01:14:37.480 and you know you're wearing cowboy boots and you're in november it's just it's it's completely

01:14:43.760 bizarre so we're we're figuring out where are we going to go you know where is that place because

01:14:47.960 i do think the the remnant has to be in the same place to be able to to have some um some backup

01:14:52.740 right and so we were looking at montana montana is kind of like the last great place last best

01:14:57.620 place my buddy says beautiful place hard weather hard people and i spent a month or two up there

01:15:03.300 various times working and you know they remind me of the way that texas used to be in the in the

01:15:08.980 early 90s and so that kind of you could shake hands with somebody and give your word and they

01:15:12.740 would follow through on it that kind of value system is special so we were looking at houses

01:15:17.300 up there and our lease was coming up we were on our second year it was ending the second year

01:15:21.300 in a house that I didn't want to live on. And despite having great neighbors, like just

01:15:25.080 kind of rough and the neighborhood looked like it was declining. It was like a Taliban that looked 1.00

01:15:29.740 like it might be carrying explosive devices or, you know, like an IRA bombing run or something

01:15:34.080 that was down the street. I was just looking around. I was like, I can kind of, I used to

01:15:37.460 work in bad neighborhoods and this one looked like it was transitioning towards that way.

01:15:41.200 So we're trying to figure out a place to live. We're looking in Montana. We're kind of going

01:15:45.640 down the line. And my dad suggested to me, who oftentimes is my spiritual reminder and advisor,

01:15:51.040 and he goes have you prayed about it and i kind of went like you know i'm busy i'm busy solving

01:15:56.720 problems you know like there's not time to just not solve problems and he goes why don't you take

01:16:00.800 a week off from looking for a house why don't you stop trying to figure out what the answer is and

01:16:05.120 why don't you just pray and tell you know tell god that this is a problem that is too big for

01:16:10.320 you to solve which it legitimately was so we did and my wife and i prayed together which we don't

01:16:16.160 always do like every night for a week. And at the end of the week, I got a package in the mail

01:16:23.200 and the package was from Iowa. And I don't know anybody in Iowa and I don't think I've ever been

01:16:29.100 to Iowa, but there is a gun company that I occasionally buy parts from and they go on

01:16:32.300 back order. And so it was like a little package and I was like, oh, maybe I bought like a trigger

01:16:35.480 mechanism or some springs or something. I don't know, but it didn't, it wasn't remarkable to me

01:16:39.380 and it wasn't particularly heavy and it wasn't a name that I recognized. So I was like, okay,

01:16:42.820 cool i put on my desk and a couple days later and we're still going through this routine of trying

01:16:47.280 to figure out what we're going to do but we're just leaving it up to god we're praying so i go

01:16:51.140 and i open up this package expecting to find gun parts because that's what i would find from iowa

01:16:55.360 i don't know anything else that would be there and it's a letter and it's a letter from a man

01:16:59.660 that i've never met in fact i might even read it to you if you're so inclined and with this letter

01:17:04.100 with this letter were three gold bars one ounce gold bars that came through the mail for six

01:17:10.100 dollars and 43 cents he sent with no insurance on it and at the time they were valued around

01:17:15.800 about 10 000 us dollars and they're probably worth close to 15 000 now okay i've never once received

01:17:22.520 treasure in the mail okay so the letter said this he said um it's from the desk of a man named

01:17:31.260 dewey merkin who i did not know and he said kyle most people think that the last years have been

01:17:38.080 horrific, but I'm not most people. To me, the last five years have shown the truth of our corrupt

01:17:43.680 institutions. We've started a period of mental and spiritual awareness, but since 1-20 of 2025,

01:17:52.360 we've rapidly been seeing a physical correction being made. You were unjustly targeted, and now

01:17:57.520 you're in a situation that's beneficial for your family, and you're happy with it. And I'm giving

01:18:02.180 you this gift to help you maintain and prosper where you are. May God bless you and your family.

01:18:08.080 And we rented a house the same day.

01:18:10.200 We found a house.

01:18:11.140 I just opened up the map.

01:18:12.520 I literally looked on Zillow.

01:18:13.960 There was a house that met all the criteria.

01:18:15.560 There was some open space.

01:18:16.520 There was a playground nearby.

01:18:18.460 It was on a cul-de-sac.

01:18:20.900 It was in our price range.

01:18:22.180 It was $100 more a month.

01:18:23.820 And we went and saw it that afternoon after church.

01:18:26.680 And then we rented it.

01:18:27.380 We rented the house within less than 48 hours

01:18:29.680 of receiving that notice.

01:18:31.100 God is good.

01:18:31.780 And I have no idea how any of that went down.

01:18:36.660 So when people, you know, these are the signs, the signs oftentimes they always tell the old

01:18:40.020 parables about, you know, the man who's worried about dying in a flood and he says, God will

01:18:43.820 provide. And he sits there and the water goes up to the step and to the second floor and the third

01:18:47.420 floor and finally swallows him up when he's on the roof and people are coming by in boats and

01:18:50.640 helicopters and he's just turning it away. You know, a lot of times I think the signs that we

01:18:55.020 should be getting in the world are coming from our fellow man. I have no idea how Dewey Merkin

01:18:59.520 knew. And I don't know that he knows that he convinced me to stay where I am. I live in Texas

01:19:03.360 still move down the street and it was a massive massive decision to figure out how it is and this

01:19:08.520 house we've moved into has been a god set in many ways i mean my children are safe and they can play

01:19:12.720 and you know we have a if things went sideways in this state we'd be in a pretty good situation

01:19:18.080 all things considered it's just very very strange to get a package and be you know have god speak

01:19:24.540 to you through the mail i think that's what that is i don't know any other way to explain it i've

01:19:27.460 had a similar sign which i won't go into right now but he absolutely does speak to us in that way

01:19:31.400 And I think the answer there is just pray, pray, pray, pray.

01:19:34.180 The moment you stopped trying to solve it yourself,

01:19:36.360 took time out and went back to him,

01:19:38.400 he gave you a solution.

01:19:40.040 It's so hard to do because I think especially

01:19:42.820 sort of men who are used to leading a family

01:19:45.580 and men that are used to leading anything

01:19:47.620 is that we think that it's our job to work harder and harder.

01:19:51.640 This is an American ethos.

01:19:52.820 It's a Western ethos.

01:19:54.040 Harder work equals success.

01:19:56.060 And so it's antithetical to that mindset

01:19:59.420 that you would just surrender.

01:20:01.640 And this is the whole thing. 0.96

01:20:02.600 This is why Christianity is such a mystery to me 0.98

01:20:04.120 and also fascinating. 1.00

01:20:05.600 But if the most perfect person was killed

01:20:07.860 for being the person that he was

01:20:09.320 and he wasn't accepted in his time,

01:20:11.020 and the lesson was is that the meek shall be strong

01:20:13.880 and the strong will be weak

01:20:14.660 and everything is flipped on its end.

01:20:17.160 And so perfect strength is perfect surrender.

01:20:21.540 It's literally impossible for a man's mind

01:20:23.820 to put all that together at all times. 0.99

01:20:26.360 But occasionally we get it right.

01:20:27.780 And when we do, I think we get a glimpse

01:20:28.900 at what's supposed to be done and it's like you get a moment like that where it reminds me every

01:20:32.680 time i get goosebumps reading that letter because it's so strange it's so outside my life i hope

01:20:37.220 that people watching can take something from though because this is what we need more signs

01:20:40.280 and the signs are everywhere but we have to be open to them and you're quite right to point out

01:20:44.340 that that isn't saying okay sit back and don't do anything we do need to work but working isn't

01:20:48.440 always the solution we need to add the prayer to the work in fact the work should be added to the

01:20:52.600 prayer the other way around kyle this has been wonderful this has been really enlightening thank

01:20:56.600 you for sharing your wisdom with us for for a few moments uh where can people find out more about

01:21:00.660 you and your work so you can mix up my my least nice persona on x i'm at kyle seraphine i have

01:21:07.100 um sometimes less than friendly takes with uh what i think is a lot of evil out there in the world

01:21:11.600 but um you know come at me in good faith you'll get the same back you can also follow the show

01:21:15.340 and it's at kyle seraphine show.com on spotify or it's kyle seraphine show on rumble and on youtube

01:21:20.280 good place to find me kyle seraphine thank you very much god bless you i appreciate it father

01:21:24.760 let us pray the grace together the grace of our lord jesus christ and the love of god and the

01:21:31.080 fellowship of the holy ghost be with us all evermore amen now let's take a look at the

01:21:37.440 comments that you guys left last week this is the episode with uh sorry not last week this is the

01:21:42.020 episode with cory d'angelis and david curtain fantastic guests uh the comments are firstly

01:21:48.820 from jack gallagher who said great video by god our home britain will be restored to its former

01:21:54.340 glory for the glory of the almighty god bless you jack gallagher by god it will preeminent

01:22:03.860 sovereign said great work thank you preeminence love a bit of encouragement uh bnuc said thank

01:22:10.680 you father calvin may god bless you we've got a long comment here from rachel flamia i haven't

01:22:17.500 read this one yet so let's see by the providence of god i was born in the united states but my

01:22:22.660 heart has longed for and greatly esteemed great britain and her empire i am an unapologetic

01:22:28.760 anglophile and believe that i have biblical grounds as well as cultural and ancestral to be so

01:22:34.360 it grieves my heart to see the state of the uk and pray for god's mercy as well as for the true

01:22:41.640 christians there to stand and do what is right according to the holy scriptures thank you for

01:22:47.080 that encouragement rachel that's absolutely wonderful and it's nice yes i mean when people

01:22:50.980 in America have that

01:22:52.480 ancestral pang, that love in their

01:22:55.000 hearts for Britain, where a lot of people

01:22:57.020 in this country came from, you know, this being

01:22:58.920 an Anglo nation. It's good to

01:23:00.940 see we still have those ancestral ties, and we

01:23:02.880 are cousins after all, so there's nothing

01:23:05.060 wrong with that, and you're absolutely right

01:23:06.480 that we

01:23:08.940 have to. We have to do something

01:23:11.000 about it, according to the Holy Scriptures.

01:23:13.120 We have to stand up for our nation.

01:23:16.320 Curtis

01:23:16.640 says, Father Calvin is so based.

01:23:18.900 I wish Canada had a figure like

01:23:20.940 this thank you very much curtis indy cat said love this guy on this channel love you too jim said

01:23:29.420 blessed thursday blessed thursday to you my brother harold said what is the etymology of

01:23:36.140 holiday holy day what about your what about your vocation is holy yeah it's good so we use the term

01:23:45.620 in britain holiday we don't use the term vacation and you're right it came from the term holy day

01:23:50.220 because most of the time in a feudal system that we used to have in Britain,

01:23:54.260 I mean, there were loads of days off, but they were all holy days.

01:23:56.980 They were all feast days, saint days, solemnities.

01:23:58.720 It was all according to the Christian calendar, the church calendar. 0.56

01:24:02.180 So it wasn't like Women's Week or Father's Day

01:24:04.960 or whatever secular idea we have now, thanks to Hallmark to sell cards.

01:24:08.600 It was celebrating the lives of the saints and the church.

01:24:11.820 It was about celebrating Christianity.

01:24:14.380 And so a holy day was a day that we feasted according to the faith,

01:24:18.500 but also had a day off work has made everyone happy nowadays that's less the case and in secular

01:24:24.040 societies it's a vacation what are you vacating you're vacating your life for a period of respite

01:24:29.420 there's something biblical about it in the on the on the seventh day he rested and we are commanded

01:24:34.620 to rest on the seventh day too but i think we should reclaim the word holiday it's not just

01:24:39.400 for christmas it's for any holiday only old navy said the bible says otherwise about what babylon

01:24:47.320 was the greatest as in god gave nebuchadnezzar a vision with him as the head of gold thank you

01:24:54.980 for the comment but i genuinely have no idea what those are referenced to please try and be a bit

01:24:58.680 more inclusive imagine you're answering a question including the question in the answer and then we

01:25:03.320 can then we can address it on the show i'm always happy to take questions kitty squats said don't

01:25:08.740 forget trump put it in a wish to the revi schneerson wishing wishing tomb who demanded

01:25:16.900 the creation of the department of education um uh i don't know what that means but i do know

01:25:24.100 like trump said he was going to disband the department of education right and when i met

01:25:28.660 him and his members of that department they said that was going to happen so i don't know why it

01:25:32.460 didn't if it's something to do with one of the uh little hat people it wouldn't surprise me but

01:25:37.020 It's not something I've heard.

01:25:39.120 But thank you for those comments.

01:25:40.620 God bless you all for that.

01:25:41.860 Let's close with today's closing prayer.

01:25:44.880 In the name of the Father, and of the Son,

01:25:47.520 and of the Holy Spirit.

01:25:48.860 Amen.

01:25:51.060 O Lord of all power and might,

01:25:54.140 who art the author and giver of all things,

01:25:57.020 graft in your hearts the love of thy name.

01:26:00.320 Increase in us true religion.

01:26:03.140 Nourish us with all goodness. 0.83

01:26:04.800 and of thy great mercy

01:26:07.360 keep us in the same

01:26:08.860 through Jesus Christ

01:26:10.360 thy son our Lord

01:26:11.440 who liveth and reigneth with thee

01:26:13.620 in the unity of the Holy Ghost

01:26:15.460 ever one God

01:26:16.720 world without end

01:26:18.080 Amen

01:26:19.240 in the name of the Father

01:26:20.740 and of the Son

01:26:21.380 and of the Holy Spirit

01:26:22.160 Amen

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The NXR Podcast - July 23, 2026

The Next Crusade - Former FBI Whistleblower Tells Calvin Robinson Why Kash Patel & Bongino Failed

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