Pastor Eric Kahn and Pastor Brian Sauve of Refuge Church in Ogden, Utah join the show to talk about the Patriot Front and the recent events in Washington, D.C. and the possibility of the government infiltrating their organization.
00:00:00.000So in my experience, Atheism, you know, like capital A Atheism, is more of a, and it was kind of an ideology more than it was just a disposition.
00:00:10.580I would have a place within my visualized America for Clarence Thomas.
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00:01:25.560newchristianright.com forward slash conference. All right, Thomas, it's an honor. Thanks for
00:01:32.840coming. Thanks for having me. Okay. Is it Rousseau or Rousseau? It's Rousseau. Rousseau.
00:01:38.000Yes, sir. Okay. All right. So you are, what's your title? I am the leader and founder of Patriot
00:01:44.280Front. Patriot Front. Super moderate centrist, friendly. Yes. No, I actually do think that.
00:01:51.800that's the irony i actually think that like i was looking moderate i was looking into you and i was
00:01:56.100like what's what's the controversy like it's pretty moderate um people like it's a fed off and i was
00:02:02.500like well let's let's give it 24 hours if they find pipe bombs in dc then we'll know it was the
00:02:08.780feds right once there's violence then we know that our government's involved you know but because it
00:02:13.440was so peaceful the latest demonstration on the 250th i was like yeah like there could be and you
00:02:19.680watched i did an episode on this um i think it's it's likely and maybe not you know but i think
00:02:25.380just probability it's likely that there could be you know a couple guys infiltrating your
00:02:30.440organization but in terms of it like run by feds as i watched the demonstration i watched some of
00:02:37.200your speeches and i watched you on patrick bet david for from a couple years ago and it's like
00:02:41.760if this was uh if thomas was a fed he would have been hitler maxing he would have been like there's
00:02:47.580as they say yeah there's the script you know there's a pretty clear and you're like yeah
00:02:51.900adolf hitler i don't hate him but you know i don't think he was a good guy i don't think he
00:02:56.760was the worst guy but i honestly don't really care i'm more interested in my american heritage
00:03:00.600and i was like yeah that's that's not fed talk not really and you know what you said earlier about uh
00:03:06.520i do plan and i act as if there are as if there could be a federal agent or even several in the
00:03:13.900organization i behave that way as a pastor in my church yeah and i think a lot of people should
00:03:18.460try to consider what they're doing with the lens of oh what if there's a bad person around what if
00:03:23.580there's somebody who doesn't have my interest and how do i plan to minimize that and that's why the
00:03:27.260organization doesn't only have these rules about non-violence and our law-abiding activities
00:03:31.920outside but internally members aren't allowed to do certain things with firearms that could be
00:03:36.980totally legal but still could make it easier for somebody to slip through the cracks like that now
00:03:41.740I'm a big supporter of the Second Amendment, as you know, but members are not allowed to train
00:03:45.880with firearms with each other. In that march, right, 400 men through the city, not so much
00:03:50.920as a corkscrew or a Swiss Army knife in anybody's pocket, right? And we set those very strong
00:03:55.300boundaries so that if anybody comes in and tries to do the slightest bit towards that, we know that
00:03:59.980something's wrong. And you know what? You don't have to be a federal agent to be dangerously
00:04:03.960malicious. There's a lot of people out there who just don't have the right ideas. And we need to
00:04:07.880be prepared for that as well um and the thing yeah i'm glad you mentioned that there are there
00:04:13.500are guys who are malicious and sinister and undercover and trying to sow you know seeds of
00:04:18.320discord all that kind of thing um and then there are also guys who are good guys and we love them
00:04:23.040and we wish the best for them um but are equally liabilities uh not because they're malicious but0.92
00:04:27.960because they're retarded and the question is in some cases where what would this person have done0.91
00:04:33.300differently if they were malicious and sometimes there's not and you need to have the rules for0.88
00:04:37.520those cases too and you know the thing with uh you know when pbd was asking me about hitler and
00:04:42.700i believe genuinely he had about an hour of questions prepared if i answered probably it was
00:04:47.120great i just did an interview with him that will be coming out soon at the time that this comes out
00:04:52.020it may sync up and uh you got to give the dude credit he does his homework he's very when i was
00:04:57.760walking in i was not walking in as a stranger he knew way more about me than i knew about him
00:05:01.740Yes, absolutely. And I could tell he had a lot. He definitely had done some research. I do think the interview went in a way he wasn't expecting.
00:05:10.680Yeah, he thought you'd be more extreme.
00:05:12.700And it's not that I believe my – no, I think my beliefs are the moral center of where I fall. So whether they're radical or moderate, they just are in my opinion.
00:05:21.520But I do think there is a level of rationality which can be embodied with the nationalist position.
00:05:27.660And I think a lot of people throughout the years have really not given it credit for that, that what we're trying to do is reasonable, is natural, is practical.
00:05:36.780And sure, anybody can be a total whack job with whatever belief and pursue it in the wrong way that's going to give it a bad name.
00:05:43.660But what I believe is just what I've always believed.
00:05:46.940You know, we were talking about this a little bit.
00:05:48.460I'm the same person on and off camera.
00:05:50.580You know, I've worked with Jake Shields a lot where he's come out and done disaster relief, and he, you know, says many times that you are the same guy, you know.
00:05:57.660And I think that's really important, especially for leaders and representatives, because whenever you have a split public and private view, whenever the private eventually gets out, which it does.
00:06:08.560Well, yeah, it's not it's not if it's when they're going to assume that's the real one.
00:06:12.740Correct. And it invalidates everything you've done.
00:06:14.580So it's so important to me that there's no, oh, this is actually my secret ideology that I only tell to my friends.
00:06:20.480No, I can tell that from you and talking offline before we hit record.
00:06:25.380um i i can attest from the sense that i get that that's absolutely true and uh we were talking you
00:06:32.700know that that's the secret power um you know it's like the uh you know i said like the breaking bad
00:06:38.260uh scene the the gift that people share you know on twitter or whatever where it's uh one of the
00:06:44.140characters like he can't keep getting away with it and you know my opponents you know there's those
00:06:49.120moments where you can you can tell like they're like they're screeching looking at their phone
00:06:53.240it's like we got him this time you know and then i like he can't keep getting away with it and it's
00:06:58.020like why doesn't it stick and the answer is um because in my heart of hearts both public and
00:07:04.040private all my signal chats could leak every single private backroom conversation could have
00:07:09.020been recorded apart from my knowing and leaked to the internet and what you would find is oh he
00:07:14.520the things he says publicly are actually what he believes privately like in my heart of hearts
00:07:19.220i don't hate black people yeah i actually don't i don't hate them for being black either that's not
00:07:25.180you know that's no that's not enough in my book and um you know we've had some news articles that
00:07:29.420came out recently and one of them was you know they they they leaked an old document and it's
00:07:33.260wow patriot front strictly non-violent stance and rules for its members that they could actually
00:07:38.080get kicked out for proposing violent action and they have a dress code they have a document which
00:07:42.620outlines the dress code speaking of the dress code yes i i'm not a member of patriot front
00:07:46.820but i knew that you were coming and i thought you know what i need to bust out the khakis
00:07:51.140for this one it's very appropriate good shade that would pass that would pass inspection no
00:07:56.680you're good but uh it's just what we believe and people ask me about other organizations and other
00:08:01.900people in the movement and i i do my best to avoid any mudslinging because that's not what
00:08:06.660i'm here to do um not only just here specifically but anywhere because i believe the best thing you
00:08:11.780can do is show your own virtues show your own accomplishments and if people say oh well what
00:08:16.580do you think about this? Well, am I doing that? Am I not doing that? What can you actually see by
00:08:21.700viewing my actions? And I think that's a great thing that activism and organization allows you
00:08:26.240to do is to demonstrate your beliefs. Because some people get so caught up in the idea of
00:08:30.640conventional politics that they just go around and they're just making promises for years ad
00:08:34.940infinitum. And at a certain point, you realize that all the effort you've expended on these
00:08:39.400promises, you could actually carry a few of them out. You could make some progress and you could
00:08:43.320show us that you believe these things and i think that's one of the issues with politicians is they
00:08:47.320don't really have to prove themselves they just have to say the right things and part of that is
00:08:51.220our system of you know we've boiled down to the lowest common denominator of just a raw democracy
00:08:56.880which none of our founders i mean they had nothing but negative things to say about a raw democracy
00:09:01.280and when you take a democracy and you couple it with two things one universal suffrage and then
00:09:06.940And two, sadly, like we both love our country, but we don't really have a country.
00:09:14.980But we have a geographically centralized empire made up of multiple nations, many of them hostile to one another.
00:09:21.640Like we have the nation of Somalia and the nation of Haiti and the nation of all within these United States.
00:09:27.680so when you take globalism plus universal suffrage plus raw democracy back to the politicians
00:09:36.900you've basically you've basically created a system where your politicians are incentivized
00:09:43.940to be eternally perpetually campaigning and never actually governing they're always on a campaign
00:09:50.200they're always seeking re-election they're always so they're very rarely doing anything like when
00:09:55.660when trump is napoleon posting i'm like let's go right he who you know who saves his country
00:10:01.080violates no law and i'm like yes and then you know when six months go by and i realize that
00:10:06.580trump is full of it and he's never going to cross a rubicon or do like then i'm like oh
00:10:10.920you know and and i think part of it even though he's not actually up for re-election jd vance
00:10:16.860will be you know there's always another guy there's always another election there's always
00:10:21.340some incentive structure for our politicians to where not only it's not that they don't do
00:10:28.680something it's not that in they're inactive um to you know in spite of you know whatever they're
00:10:37.200trying to accomplish no it's like that is that is the system the inaction is precisely what's
00:10:43.880rewarded it's not they're rewarded despite being their inactivity they're rewarded because they're
00:10:49.280inactive the changes are all very superficial and the but the actual progress is extremely
00:10:56.320glacial and that's even in the good direction you know i'm not a capital s trump supporter as i say
00:11:03.640um i've you know i mean i haven't been a trump supporter since i was a teenager in 2016 realistically
00:11:08.840but i'm also not so rabidly anti-trump that i can't recognize a few good things that have1.00
00:11:14.860happened you know i do think it's a good thing every single foreigner that's deported from the
00:11:19.000country you know with proper the with the proper processes that are taking place is a good thing
00:11:23.980and i and i hope they continue to do that i want my government to be good i think some people
00:11:28.480you know are so bound up that they can't admit that that that other people that they oh it has
00:11:33.940to be terrible i want my government to be good i want these people to get better even if they are
00:11:37.760the ones in power um and you know it's good when the state department i believe made a post and
00:11:42.660they said oh well we oppose the great replacement or something or the the something like that
00:11:46.940Something very similar to that, and they said they're fond of remigration, which is something, if you asked me 10 years ago if that was likely to happen, would be unthinkable.
00:11:54.480And now at the same time, we can't let these kind of pittances of progress and change satisfy us because what we need – and I talked about this in my speech in Washington – that what we need is something which is very much broader, which needs to permeate – I said the soul of race and nation alike.
00:12:15.060that we need to make demands not only of our representatives but ourselves but each other
00:12:20.480and i think that's something very important about what patriot front does is we are prepared to
00:12:26.520organize people on the very granular level because a lot of what is so wrong with the country comes
00:12:31.440down to the lack of personal and civic virtue which needs to be practiced on the level of the
00:12:35.760individual of the family within the community and i believe you need to be prepared to really
00:12:41.440reach out to people and shake them by the shoulders and shout in their ears and give
00:12:45.820them the type of examples and accountability. Because in a lot of ways, you know, like I said
00:12:50.080in the speech again, you know, we are suffering the fate of a defeated people that our destiny
00:12:54.340has been taken from us in many ways. And that's where vice comes in. That's where drugs, gambling,
00:13:01.500you know, promiscuity, things of that nature, they seep in and they fill the gaps left.
00:13:07.240Or just passivity, golly ball, you know, just, you know, just, did you catch the game?
00:19:23.560But at the same time, America is so unique.
00:19:25.780And I think even so, you see some people and they say, oh, well, I wish we had this thing.0.66
00:19:29.980If things had gone this way or that way in World War II, we could be living in a pan-European super state which took the best stock of Europe and conquered a continent, and I have to grab them.0.81
00:19:40.680You're living in it, and it's under attack, and you won't even fight for it.
00:19:43.900And I believe that there's so much richness and value to our heritage, and reconnecting with that, despite all of the crazy narratives.
00:19:54.360And I was on another show recently and they were talking about how the aftermath of World War II was almost like a false founding where everything just became about refuting.
00:23:55.780America was conquered, and that's a good thing.1.00
00:23:57.620You know, he talked about the conquest as a continuation of the Anglo-Saxon conquests of Britain. He talks about it as part of this great racial story that just spans millennia. And can you imagine a president saying that today?0.96
00:24:13.240And there was so much, much more of a rootedness in what he's talking about and how much grander our history was in the eyes of our ancestors.
00:24:21.400And then, you know, you talk about the frontier and, you know, there's the frontier thesis by Frederick Jackson Turner, I believe.
00:24:27.160And he talks about how, you know, similar to where you say the providence, the hardships imposed upon us by providence, you know, the frontier was a great example of that.
00:24:34.980Because for the entire development of the country, for hundreds of years, you had this very savage area always.1.00
00:24:41.940And you had the Indians, which I am actually very thankful for the Indians because they were just savage enough to give us contest.0.99
00:24:50.360But not so savage that they halted expansion.
00:25:00.180There was never really any risk of mass amalgamation.
00:25:03.820So they were part of this great cultural engine of development where the American identity was forged through this expansion, through the filibusters and the fighters and the frontiersmen and the fur trappers.
00:25:16.580And you see this expansion across the entire country, and it's the development of civilization.
00:25:21.520And if we look at that, we can actually draw parallels to what we should be doing today because we live in a very different world.
00:25:27.080but I do believe the frontier is still part of the American ethnos,
00:25:30.940and we need to find it if it's not under our feet.
00:25:55.020as it regards japheth in particular was that um that the lord would enlarge japheth and when you
00:26:01.580think of um in expanding enlarging people and think of what are some of the innate characteristics
00:26:07.960of his descendants that would be required in order for them to be a people bent on expansion
00:26:14.840ambition is one of the first that comes to mind courage comes to mind but one of uh one of the
00:26:22.960elements or characteristics would be, um, because it lends towards exploration, uh, would be
00:26:29.160curiosity. I think that the European people are particularly curious people in a way that other
00:26:35.480peoples aren't. And that, and that doesn't mean that other people don't have strengths, their own
00:26:39.700virtues, their own strengths. And there are certain areas where we're weak, right? Like people talk
00:26:44.220about equality and equality of outcome, I think is immoral. Um, but even equality of opportunity
00:26:49.440is certainly a myth i did not have an equal opportunity to be in the nba as as michael
00:26:55.480jordan did right there's something about you know his height his athletic prowess that's just like
00:27:00.540yeah i didn't stand a chance pretty tall but not but not the same yes you know and so but our people
00:27:06.680um i think have been a curious people that is lent towards discovery exploration innovation
00:27:13.720um like you think of japan you think of china and they've been able to take a lot of westerner
00:27:20.280inventions and implement them find out how to do them efficiently cheaper you know everything's
00:27:26.040made in china you know all these things but but when you think of the discoveries themselves
00:27:30.120throughout the 20th century for about 100 years you know you can look at the research and i think
00:27:35.180it's about 95 to 97 percent of all major innovations and discoveries came from european
00:27:41.900people. And I, you know, as a Christian, I'm going to say, I don't think that that's just
00:27:47.560founded in Darwin. I feel like that's founded in a divine promise that the Lord gave to a
00:27:54.540particular family. And that's what the nation is. People hate this, but it's undeniably true.
00:28:00.420A nation is the family writ large. The Bible uses the term, uses nation, but also uses the phrase,
00:28:07.800all the families of the earth and so we're speaking of when we say our people we're speaking
00:28:13.820of distant cousins and relatives and from a common ancestry a common shared lineage so
00:28:21.020i want to pose this question to you which i know is basic and you've probably answered a hundred
00:28:25.540times but for people who may be new to you um what what is a nation how would you define nationhood
00:28:32.300absolutely so a nation is a people you know and we're definitely on the same page when it comes
00:28:36.800to that and i believe a nation must have a shared ancestry a sense of place language culture
00:28:43.500traditions and a lot of people try to break down what a nation is but i believe nations are natural
00:28:50.380they are natural constructs you know if you you know i said this on pbd i believe but if you
00:28:54.740started the if you started the entire world over and you just placed people again you know if
00:28:58.840creation just started anew you would end up with nations right there wasn't a point where somebody
00:29:03.360invented nations right they're naturally occurring just just like animals for you know
00:29:07.800fish form schools and people form nations and what we have is you know it when you see it
00:29:15.200right and i believe america is a nation and we are a unique nation i believe we are much more
00:29:20.520of a pan-racial nation than a lot of others in europe because we have been able to amalgamate
00:29:25.720so many different european nations into one but that doesn't mean that america's culture is
00:29:31.880uniquely evenly spread across the entirety of the European race. I believe our core cultural
00:29:38.860foundation was Anglo-Saxon. It was. And when you look at the revolution... And Protestant on the
00:29:45.480religious side. Yes, absolutely. There is something to the WASP. There is a deep Protestant and0.81
00:29:49.420And that doesn't mean it's exclusive to the WASP. Obviously, we took the Italians and so0.53
00:29:55.120catholics integrated in but but our core block was this white anglo-saxon protestant yes and
00:30:02.260other groups were were able to assimilate only because they assimilated into that right with
00:30:07.640reasonable amounts of variation but that was always the core because in order to assimilate
00:30:13.020there has to be something to assimilate into correct which is a huge problem with the people
00:30:16.600coming here today because not only and i believe nations are intra-racial not inter right so you0.86
00:30:23.520And this might vary from nation to nation, but I believe that a Frenchman could become English over a long enough period of time, and both of them could become American.
00:30:32.160Could he or would you say his descendants, like generationally?
00:30:35.800I would leave that up to the French and English, but in our stance, because I don't want to offend any Europeans, but I believe in our case, I think the nations that are closest to us, definitely in the Anglosphere.
00:30:48.620I believe Canadians, Australians, New Zealanders, et cetera, could all very easily assimilate into the country with effort in one generation.0.73
00:30:56.200The further distinct you are European, I believe that could impose new challenges.0.95
00:31:01.260But I think it's something that's possible.
00:31:04.380But I do not believe that nation – that somebody can kind of leap from one race to another into assimilation.
00:31:12.140And then the next question people usually have is, well, what about Native Americans?
00:33:36.340repatriation. And it's not just getting people out of the country. Because, you know, when you're
00:33:41.760talking about the curiosity of the European race, the things which make us unique, it's so important
00:33:47.880that we understand that we don't just want a country where everybody's white. Like, that's not0.50
00:33:52.420enough, right? You know, you could do that today. I mean, theoretically. The greatest enemy of my
00:33:57.240children is not Mossad. Exactly. And I'm not a fan of Mossad. Good to know. But it's the white
00:34:03.420overweight lesbian blue haired feminist yes who has statistically the most likelihood of killing1.00
00:34:11.080my kids so like i i just can't like some of the you know like i i wrote a whole book um about0.97
00:34:16.980dispensational zionism and being you know our country being in a stranglehold from israel and
00:34:22.920foreign interests and all these kind of like i'm i'm aware of uh the jq i'm of course i'm very aware0.87
00:34:29.080At the same time, though, I don't want to lose some of the momentum of, it's like, well, you know, we can all, as long as we're all white, you know, or as long as we're all, you know, J-pilled, you know, or as long as we're, no, like, Sneeko has to go back.
00:34:46.360you need to be better there's things which made europe and america so great that these are learned
00:34:53.080traditions it's not enough to be as you are and we need to enhance and improve the lives of our
00:34:58.380people so you know just getting back to the question about you know how we define a nation
00:35:03.220now again practically speaking there's probably going to be some people who are who are of
00:35:08.880different nations left in the country even after years and years of this process because i do think
00:35:12.400you need to do it while maintaining a semblance of law and order because you know law and order
00:35:16.800and some type of legitimate government function it's a lot easier to destroy than it is to bring
00:35:21.280back and i do actually want safety and security i do believe in that you know people have perhaps
00:35:26.800varying levels depending on who they are but some amount of essential human dignity you know and i
00:35:32.680don't think that turning the country into a massed area of you know bayonets and barbed wire and
00:35:38.240kicking everybody out you know on a whim without any mind to stability is productive because that
00:35:44.300would hurt my people right i want things to be done well and i and i do understand that solid
00:35:50.380progress can be slow but you know thinking about who needs obviously there's maybe upwards of a
00:35:56.120hundred million people in the country right now who could be they're already illegal or they could
00:36:00.800be denaturalized with existing laws right what we need then is not you know you don't need a new
00:36:06.120constitution right you need a government with the will to act yes and beyond that i think if we made
00:36:12.700that change a lot of people who probably don't belong here but may still be citizens would
00:36:16.960probably want to leave and then you could look into repatriation policies that facilitate that
00:36:21.460that subsidize that and that could even be it could save the government money when you actually
00:36:27.280look at these things and that could be very appealing to a lot of people who are feeling
00:36:31.740the strain of the economy and there's a lot of positive things that you could look to with how
00:36:36.400that would affect the the housing crisis yes how that would affect you know the the strain on our
00:36:41.720social services and infrastructure so there's many things and you know when it comes back you know
00:36:46.700at the end of the day and i believe we need an era not just a regime you know when you look at
00:36:50.780perhaps the jacksonian era there was perhaps 40 years defined by andrew jackson's presidency but
00:36:57.680defined by his traits and ideas about how a government should act by the decisions he made
00:37:01.760and the precedents he set. And I think what we need is a new nationalist era of American
00:37:09.260governmental legislation and leadership. And that will be enough to set the country right.
00:37:15.080And, you know, that could amount to, you know, things so far as even a few changes to the
00:37:18.840constitution. Right. I think that's totally warranted. I mean, it's happened before and
00:37:23.000There's no reason to say it can't happen again.
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00:38:32.480what i always say is i think in in terms of the constitution um i love it i think it's a beautiful
00:38:41.960providential document written mostly by christian men but um for me i would want to
00:38:48.800formally adopt um the apostles creed or the nicene creed as a preamble to the constitution
00:38:54.620i do think that we should have explicitly and unapologetically
00:38:58.280informally named the lord jesus christ um and so i do think that now i understand that nobody's
00:39:05.300doing politics or theology or anything in a vacuum everybody is a product of providence and context and
00:39:11.260and so i understand why our founding fathers assumed certain things that we can no longer
00:39:17.420take for granted but i would like to see you know the apostles creed adopted formally as a preamble
00:39:23.860to the constitution i would like to uh with wisdom and prudence revisit the latter amendments after
00:39:29.800the first 10 the rest of the constitution and the first 10 amendments i'm fine with but i would
00:39:35.060simply want to get back to authorial intent so like the first amendment as it regards not even
00:39:39.940just freedom of speech but um freedom of religion um i i would look at that and say well what's the
00:39:46.700first word of the first amendment um congress so congress cannot declare at the national level
00:39:53.480that we are these united states of the episcopalian church you know of or of the presbyterian or of
00:39:59.780the catholic church which is fair i would say no national church um not because i'm afraid of
00:40:05.220hurting the feelings of jews or muslims or hindus or atheists um but because i think that we are
00:40:11.380a nation that um it has different expressions and denominations of our common lord i wouldn't want
00:40:18.520the baptists to be kicked out or disparaged i wouldn't want the um the anglicans to be so i i
00:40:25.800don't think and i think that that's what the founders were assuming they were recognizing
00:40:29.700this is a pan protestant nation and at the time with maryland um you know there was a catholic
00:40:35.220presence as well it was the minority report but it was present and so i i think that that's what
00:40:40.540they were concerned about i i don't think they could even conceive of you know when writing
00:40:44.780uh the first amendment you know we're carving out space for muslims 250 years later right i don't0.70
00:40:51.120think that that was i think they were saying no we don't want a national state-run church of a
00:40:57.760specific not not creed but confession that would exploit and disparage other muslims no other
00:41:06.080christians i think that so my point is i i think that you know you could revisit latter amendments
00:41:11.080after the first 10 adopt the apostles creed as a formal preamble to the constitution and get back
00:41:16.540to authorial intent uh with everything the vast majority that remains and and that would be fine
00:41:23.080But then the biggest missing ingredient would still remain, it's not the paper, it's the will, the people and the will.
00:41:30.740Like, can we, you know, so right now it's, it's, it's funny because it's like, I'm not against the constitution, but I regularly find myself spurring on our politicians to be willing to, at times, go against the constitution to save the constitution.
00:41:47.620because I know that people who hate the constitution
00:42:12.160They were looking back at this terrible time
00:42:14.220in European history where principalities
00:42:16.640were leveled over distinctions which today we would consider relatively minor and to them i
00:42:22.660suppose a denominational war between faiths seemed likely possible christian faith yes but still
00:42:30.700immense hostility nonetheless yes so that seemed like a greater issue to them then perhaps you know
00:42:37.040they couldn't imagine what has happened with immigration and demographic decline so you know
00:42:42.800We need to understand that their intention was not – well, their intention was to keep the nation unified.
00:42:48.900Their intention was to have domestic tranquility, and they sought to do that by having this sort of limited religious freedom that avoided these sort of internecine conflicts.
00:42:58.520But at the same time, if you're looking back at their authorial intent, they did not predict the – I mean some of the first things they did was limit citizenship.0.86
00:43:07.800And at the Constitutional Convention, one of the first things that they agreed is how soon can we stop importing Africans?0.94
00:43:14.180So they did have the intent to keep the nation culturally homogenous, and I think that's very important when you're looking at the Constitution.0.92
00:43:21.520But it's also important to realize that the Constitution is – it's a document.0.67
00:43:27.720It is literally just a system, and it is powerful because it is viewed as legitimate, because it has the mutual agreement of so many people that that is, well, those are the rules we're following.
00:43:38.220But the Constitution is not the Bible.
01:00:21.540All of them understood natural categories.
01:00:23.300all of them elevated natural law all of them loved these teachings of jesus but it wasn't
01:00:28.660an either or they took the turn the other cheek and they took the teachings of and they were able
01:00:32.980to hold them in tension with natural revelation with a clear understanding of of natural distinctions
01:00:40.860um and and i can do this with not only christians but the the christians who are my my uh national
01:00:49.420founders i can do this with george washington i can do this with andrew jackson i can do this
01:00:54.120with teddy roosevelt i can i can do this with all these great men who would say um yeah this person
01:01:00.420is different yeah and as somebody also made in the image of god yeah for sure can be catechized
01:01:06.180can take the lord's supper can be a christian but also is different and they were reading the bible
01:01:12.480yes and saw no contradiction right no and as somebody who is i'm not currently a participating
01:01:18.900member of any organized religion so and it's it's my job as the leader of the organization to
01:01:23.460represent these various men right who are either and i mean there's three categories in the
01:01:27.680organization either you're some type of christian or you are some type of you know heathen or pagan
01:01:32.460or you're neither right and just broadly you know broadly not religious with neither real quick
01:01:37.160does that allow for the agnostic or does that allow even for the atheist um so in my experience
01:01:43.200this atheism, you know, like capital A atheism is more of a, and it's, it was kind of an ideology
01:01:50.000more than it was just a disposition. And the actual ideology you will find of, again, capital
01:01:57.080A atheism is not really compatible with what we do. It's not. Because it, and I mean, you look at
01:02:02.960it, it was kind of, I don't want to say a fad, but it was much more trendy. And much more modern.
01:02:08.220Yes, and it wasn't just, oh, I don't believe in God. It was a very kind of wide set of beliefs about the world, and some of those other political stances don't really comply, and so there's a lot of agnostics in the organization.
01:02:23.760I would say the people that look into the organization and even use the term atheist, you know, in their application or anything is maybe 1%.
01:02:31.700And even in that, there's even smaller of a group where they say, oh, well, maybe I was raised atheist, but now I just don't know.
01:02:39.340Or maybe I am atheist, but I really like the, you know, I appreciate Christianity and blah, blah, blah.
01:02:44.020So you're not really capital A ideologically atheist.
01:03:10.000Yeah, and it's tough when I see...0.88
01:03:13.100Now, religious infighting does not exist within the organization.
01:03:16.520We are so unanimous in our common cause,
01:03:19.780And it's almost frustrating when I see the complete unity that exists within the organization because we're all fighting for the same thing.
01:03:27.880And the members of different faiths are the representatives of their convictions.
01:03:33.140I tell them, it's like, I don't want you to go try to aggressively convert these other guys because that would kind of get in the way of the work you're doing right now.
01:03:41.080And if you genuinely want them to come over to your side, then be the best representative.
01:03:49.320But then you step out onto the internet space, and everybody's just – and it's like, oh, well, here's an example of a pagan who has rainbow hair and is a homosexual.0.59
01:03:58.860Oh, well, here's an example of a Christian who has rainbow hair and a homosexual.
01:04:01.340It's like you both have so much more in common with each other than you do these other people, and there is this broader virtue that you're touching into, and it is common throughout European civilization for thousands of years.0.93
01:04:16.840and you know i do believe that the christianity in europe is european now there are parts of the
01:04:23.440world that have been christian for thousands of years i you know like ethiopia right i think was
01:04:27.060one of the first places if not maybe the first to be converted one of the first um you know but i i
01:04:32.340would still say that you know that the ethiopians have had an effect on their christianity now even
01:04:37.620the theology can be the same but certain lived realities of it are distinct because of the place
01:04:44.040that it is because of the way that those people live right and you know i think that we need to
01:04:50.260climate geography has a huge impact so i think europeans were shaped i would say the biggest
01:04:56.000thing would be uh 1500 years of christendom so from constantine to king alfred and all the way
01:05:01.360you know common uh case law and all these different things so i think i think the gospel shaped
01:05:05.660europeans massively um i also think that climate uh geography shaped like right you know um
01:05:13.820when every day in terms of the weather and the climate is the same as yesterday and the day
01:05:18.360before and the day before versus living in cold places where you have to have high time versus
01:05:23.540low time preference you have to plan ahead you know and that colds the population you know your
01:05:28.480dim wits don't survive the winter you know what i mean like so that's going to have an effect even
01:05:32.800in america part of it is interracial marriage part of it is christianization catechesis part
01:05:39.320of it also i think is the brutality and harsh elements of slavery cold african americans in a0.98
01:05:49.040way that sub-saharan africans that remain there what i'm saying is that dumb slaves didn't make0.94
01:05:56.600it and that's why even in america black americans here are almost a full standard deviation per0.97
01:06:06.400capita above the iq of many african nations and and it's like how do i account for that and for
01:06:13.460me it's it's not just a one-size-fits-all i would say it's it's probably a combination of two or
01:06:17.800three different elements one is um america is is a different climate a different geography than
01:06:24.400living right next to the equator in africa sub-saharan africa two um because we have been
01:06:31.300a christian nation um and so catechesis and spiritual formation and three because of the
01:06:36.740harsh conditions of slavery and abuses of slavery i don't think that slavery was inherently immoral
01:06:42.340i do believe that the transatlantic slave trade was immoral um right because it included man
01:06:49.140stealing which the bible forbids um but with those harsh conditions um this the slaves that
01:06:55.100actually procreated and had descendants were ones that had a little bit more impulse control
01:07:00.360who were not quite as rebellious towards their masters
01:07:03.940and who were able to make this great voyage
01:08:23.160is because they've been inbreeding for centuries and that doesn't really help you know so it doesn't1.00
01:08:29.100so there's all these different things and so we probably shouldn't bring 500 000 of them here
01:08:33.280you know but like there's all these different factors so all i only bring that up to go back
01:08:37.580to your comment about ethiopia being um distinctly christian for a long period of time which i would
01:08:42.480say yes and amen that's true but um there also is uh climate geography uh these kinds of things
01:08:49.680and that too plays a role so in the case of europeans christianity coupled with settling
01:08:56.180coastlands and northern regions with harsh winters and having to face off indigenous peoples you know
01:09:02.760with you know as we're conquesting and like that also shapes a people in its its characteristics
01:09:08.660and even biological genetic characteristics of iq and and so it's just it's not a one-size-fits-all
01:09:15.020So I want to give as much credit to the gospel, the Christian religion, Christendom, the Lord, as a Christian pastor, as possible.
01:09:23.620But even I, as a Christian pastor, am able to recognize that I'm going to attribute Christendom as one of the biggest factors for why my people are great.
01:10:17.420And also they just want to translate the entirety of the country into some big tax farm that they could just hope to get under the supply chain of.
01:10:33.920you know, I believe in human rights, you know, within reason, of course, but that I don't believe
01:10:38.780these other groups have a right to live next to me. I don't believe that they have a right to be
01:10:44.200citizens. I don't believe they have a right to the institutions made by my forebears. I think that's
01:10:49.800something which is a privilege, you know, and I even, you know, birthright citizenship was a huge
01:10:54.640thing recently with the Supreme Court, and hopefully they'll come to another different
01:10:58.620decision before like they did with Roe v. Wade. We probably need to get rid of, for that to happen,
01:11:03.920probably need to get rid of some of the women we can work on that on the supreme court i'll put it1.00
01:11:08.940on the list um but you know the you know in a country where otherwise everything is fine it1.00
01:11:15.820would make sense that you're born in this country and you are a citizen of it right um however with
01:11:21.440so much else wrong with so much else damaged with so much else globalized internationalized where
01:11:28.040the country has become you know quote a squalid arena right where the whole world is shoved
01:11:33.320together, and how can you possibly hope to have any type of brotherly love or kindred spirit among
01:11:38.280anybody? It's a recreation of the Tower of Babel. Very similar, yes. Which the Lord hated. And there's0.90
01:11:42.660a lot of the hubris going on, too, that we need to have a new era of American politics where we
01:11:48.820start making the definition of what an American is much more stringent. Yes. And we need to look
01:11:53.100in the authorial intent, and we need to look at natural law as well and say, hey, you know, whether
01:11:57.780or not the founder said this or whether we can find an exact quote for that, let's look at the
01:12:01.480history of nations you know if you read the federalist papers you know that's what they were
01:12:04.940doing we don't just have to look back at the founders we can also look back at the history
01:12:08.720like they did and you know they saw what happens when you shove too many two distinct people under
01:12:13.960the same government it can't represent them and i mean that's the goal of government i mean at least
01:12:18.660my opinion on the goal of good government is to be representative is to take care of its people
01:12:23.620right salus populi supremo lex esto the well-being of the people shall be the supreme law and that's0.99
01:12:29.680not what we that you can't have that in this type of multiracial empire because there's so many
01:12:34.360competing interests and the government is so vast and bloated that it just becomes a matter of who
01:12:40.360can get close enough to the reins of power to start funneling resources to their own people
01:12:45.180and everybody's in it for themselves and even as an american i believe you know we're the rightful
01:12:50.920heirs of this continent you know things are so divided that i can't even say that oh i will i
01:12:56.900want the best for everybody, everybody who lives in the United States, because my interest in just
01:13:02.760restoring what I believe is rightful will come at the natural expense of the people who are taking
01:13:07.280advantage of it, who are exploiting it. And this is a nationalist process. And, you know, I think
01:13:14.840the Pope has come out a number of times where, and I know there's a lot of, you know, there's a lot
01:13:20.100of interesting opinions about, you know, the Catholics and the Protestant divide and everything
01:13:23.360like that i happily represent and work with both but um i do think it's politically i work with
01:13:29.320both yes because i can think in categories i can walk and chew gum at the same time so in my local
01:13:33.920church in that sphere yes we don't have catholics that we're going to ordain as officers of the
01:13:39.240church sure in the realm of culture and politics i'm partnering with catholics all the time because
01:13:44.060our interests overlap yeah you know but you you hear a lot about you know dignity right and i and
01:13:48.940i believe in human dignity right now perhaps i don't believe that everybody has the same amount
01:13:53.340of essential dignity you know maybe certain people are born with more or less but you know
01:13:57.720you need to be able to kind of cross the threshold that a lot of things need to be changed a lot of
01:14:04.180things and a lot of people are going to be upset and you know i want to keep things as happy as
01:14:09.200possible i want to maintain law and order right but there's no way i seriously believe you can
01:14:14.040overhaul the country without stepping on a few toes here and there you know yeah no you're right
01:14:19.640explain real quick dignity so it sounds like you're saying everybody has it everybody has
01:14:27.540human dignity but there would be a sliding scale I think I know what you mean not have some
01:14:32.580respectful pushback but let me give you a chance to clarify that so you know and I'm speaking and
01:14:39.260I'm trying to reach out to the Christian lens of things where you know everybody has a soul
01:14:43.980I can say that with confidence. And everybody has a right, you know, I believe there are human rights, which extends to, you know, you do not deserve to be tortured. You do not deserve to be punished or killed for something which you didn't do. And being born a certain way is not something which you consciously did. So I think those are fine. Those are accepted and nobody deserves to be punished for those things.
01:15:05.720However, even if a foreigner was born into my country, right,
01:27:41.520Yes, it's the key failure of a lot of these Christian institutions to become so globalized.
01:27:45.400And I believe you can totally recognize the almost hostility of some modern Christian institutions while separating that from the core theology.
01:27:56.760Because I want to make a charitable judgment there.
01:27:59.380But at the same time, I heard a story about some charity that would sooner shut down their efforts, a Christian charity that would sooner shut down their efforts than deliver them to the Boer refugees from South Africa.
01:29:37.080but at the same time do I understand that it's not absolutely everything and there are elements
01:29:42.000of our culture and and I do think you know I don't want to I don't want a theocracy you know
01:29:47.100I do believe see I do we'll talk about that but go ahead we can yeah um you know I do believe that
01:29:52.480the government should not have an official religion we talked about this and I I'm fine
01:29:56.820with state churches I suppose I don't know how how close we are to that reality I don't think
01:30:01.400it's practical but constitutionally it actually would be permissible yeah I don't know if I would
01:30:05.260oppose it legislatively, but I do believe that there is something to be said about it. Once you
01:30:11.580cross a certain threshold, do you think heresy should be illegal? I do. So real quick, I'll make
01:30:19.260it short. Theocracy versus ecclesiocracy. I do not want a church-run state. I don't want any church,
01:30:25.300be it Protestant, Catholic, Eastern Orthodox. I really don't. Because it's too worldly and it
01:30:30.280diminishes them well just because i do actually believe in the separation of church and state in
01:30:36.040terms of spheres of power and and and theologically from a historic christian perspective um this would
01:30:41.920be the doctrine of two kingdoms and so it goes back to natural versus eternal and spiritual you
01:30:47.100know and that um there is the common kingdom and then there's the kingdom of grace like in the
01:30:52.420church um i'm trying not to be as a pastor on sunday i'm trying not to be overtly you know or
01:30:58.980over-the-top political it's word and sacrament um it's heavenly right when we gather as a
01:31:05.140congregation on the lord's day for worship it's worship and it's and it's heavenly it's uh eternal
01:31:12.120it's the spiritual um monday through saturday though um it's very it's political it's cultural
01:31:19.720it's it's natural it's temporal but here's the thing um in both instances joel webin monday
01:31:25.680through saturday and joel webbin as a minister behind the pulpit on sunday is um in both instances
01:31:31.420i'm still a christian so so it's not like i'm a christian on sunday and then i'm not a christian
01:31:35.820no i'm a christian political and cultural commentator six days a week and then i'm a
01:31:40.900christian pastor one day a week um so when i say i'm for theocracy uh the way that i would
01:31:47.220articulate that simply is i would say um i do not i i want a separation of church and state
01:31:53.540i do not want a separation of christ and state so when i think theocracy theos god um i actually do
01:32:00.340want a god above the state because i i don't believe it's whether but which um if there's
01:32:05.360not a god above the state then the state becomes god and i think we've seen a lot of that i don't
01:32:10.420like that or if the state itself does not become god um then um then it's going to be some other
01:32:18.420deity and then it's simply a matter is it going to be the jewish god the islamic god the hindu
01:32:22.780god or the christian god so i i the reason why i say i'm pro theocracy is because i don't believe
01:32:28.760it's a matter of whether but which i think it's inevitable that there's going to be some kind of
01:32:33.560religious um ethos that the government can't help but embody and so it's either going to be statism
01:32:41.700but but with very clear religious tenets it's it's it's the religion of statism that is very
01:32:49.320agnostic or atheist it's it's not neutrality religious neutrality is a myth um and so i i
01:32:56.980believe that you're going to have a theocracy either um statism the state is god or it's going
01:33:03.260to be um islamic theocracy or hindu theocracy or what we've had jewish theocracy or it's going to
01:33:09.860be a christian theocracy but not ecclesiocracy so i don't want the episcopal church at a national
01:33:15.680level being the state national religion that it so does that distinction no and i understand what
01:33:22.420you're saying and i certainly don't believe that the state is a supernatural or almighty you know
01:33:27.160i don't think it should fill the role of the almighty in any in any context whatever your
01:33:31.360religious beliefs are um you know anybody who it's lording over the state is a it's made of people
01:33:36.340right it's made of people and it's man absolutely um i do think there is something to be said about
01:33:41.800And I do think the concept of like a civic religion, you know, something which is not Christian but instead born out of the state, I do think that in any literal concept would be impractical and probably not a good idea.
01:35:44.880And I do think that, you know, the position we're in is tenable.
01:35:48.920And I believe if you made it any smaller, you could have a bit of a runaway effect because I do see the various Christian denominations that have arguments against one another.
01:35:58.200and i do worry that in our specific case if we made it any smaller if we kicked out you know
01:36:04.600one of the groups and okay well now you're not allowed to be i hear you you're worried about a
01:36:08.760religious all the way down to only episcopalians for sure you're worried about a religious war
01:36:13.900um distracting us and even defeating us uh to where uh a a under the surface racial war
01:36:22.740one shots all of our people i i get it like so for me um i have that mentality with catholics
01:36:29.820okay so like i want to have vicious heated arguments with catholics and i see that as a
01:36:38.060luxury for winning okay you have to win first right and then you can have your intramural
01:36:43.180debates all day long like yes like the intramural debates are the luxury of times of peace one of
01:36:50.520the reasons why throughout christendom you had so many theological distinctions and sharp religious
01:36:56.220disagreements is because um they were not under civilizational duress yes that's why they could
01:37:03.520afford the religious factions yes because they didn't have all the racial and civilizational
01:37:08.760ones you know and i'll say i don't think there's a real practical reality in which you know the
01:37:16.060Norse paganism and that it totally supersedes Christianity. I'm sure some people will be a
01:37:21.780little bit unhappy for me to say that. You're just speaking chronologically. Yes. I don't think
01:37:26.900that's realistic, but I do think there's an element to it that it obviously it was around
01:37:32.480for a very long time. Yes. And I do think even in the last several thousand years, it has obviously
01:37:38.060been far reduced, but I do think there is a certain cultural thread, which whether it's
01:37:45.160explicitly religious, whether it's just based in certain traditions, whether it's based in just
01:37:49.960myths and stories, I do think it's always going to be with our people. Our pre-Christian history,
01:37:58.140I do think, will always be with us in some way, in some manner of experience and memory. And
01:38:04.720even if you have a country which is entirely Christian, which again, I don't oppose,0.74
01:38:08.860I do think there's still something to be said about the full scope of our history. You know,
01:38:12.640we're talking about theodore roosevelt right he saw you know the uh he saw the conquest of america
01:38:17.840as a continuation of these very ancient conquests of europe and i think you know insofar as the
01:38:22.940narrative of our people you know extends from pre-christian to christian i do think that there's
01:38:29.240other narratives and stories and cultural elements that don't necessarily need to be explicitly
01:38:34.000religious and i actually find in my experience a lot of the pagans that i talked to you know i
01:38:38.380would say even say the pagans even have their denominations which of course i respect um but
01:38:42.660you know you kind of have the agnostic pagans right which they believe that these stories are
01:38:48.140perhaps it's a it's a form of blood memory it's a myth that's that's brought down because it's a
01:38:52.940form of like social source it's a blood memory but you know these stories it's a source of a it's
01:38:58.820almost like you mentioned kind of social eugenics that these these are lessons to fortify our
01:39:03.780society against common issues that people will face and but perhaps there's not literally a man
01:39:11.000who could split a mountain with a hammer right right and i find that i i do think that is a very
01:39:17.880that has staying power in terms of mythology i think you're right and just for the record
01:39:22.480um it's not actually that i would go against greco-roman um myths and religious aspects i
01:39:30.320would go against them um but it's not that i would go against them from the angle of uh that
01:39:36.120they're all uh make-believe or that they're not real yeah um i actually ironically i see my
01:39:43.120christianity and historic christianity as the explanatory power for the greeks and the romans
01:39:50.900and their pagan religion that proceeded before christianity took root so i actually um so i am
01:39:56.840not of the persuasion that uh that thor is make-believe or that poseidon is make-believe
01:40:01.500i actually think that the christian religious text the bible uh speaks of fallen angels
01:40:08.580that saw the daughters of men genesis chapter chapter six and found them to be lovely and took
01:40:14.960them as wives and created so like i think of hercules and i think uh hercules was a demigod
01:40:20.880gregor roman for me as a christian i don't say uh that's make-believe in a story i say
01:40:25.480no hercules was probably a real uh historical figure of antiquity um he wasn't a demigod he
01:40:31.940was a nephilim so i so i actually understand um so so i just want to make that clear that um
01:40:37.680as a christian one of the things i love about my faith is that um on the one hand it doesn't
01:40:43.580eradicate nature we don't over spiritualize on the other hand though the world is not just stuff
01:40:48.420we're not materialist mere materialist yes um but there is a spiritual um element to to the cosmos
01:40:56.740in the world that god made angels are real and angels descending to earth and fallen angels and
01:41:02.300taking the daughters of men and marrying and like so when i think of like a god of the sea
01:41:06.560i think that's probably real and that that god of the sea that some called him poseidon others
01:41:12.680called him Neptune. But this God of the sea was probably a fallen angel that had a regional
01:41:19.400jurisdiction. So the Bible speaks of princes and principalities. Principality would be the region.
01:41:26.640Even in the book of Daniel, an angel comes and visits Daniel and says, I'm sorry that I'm late.0.97
01:41:32.240I got held up because the prince of Persia. And it's very clear he's not talking about a civil
01:41:37.060human king but that above this human king there was a spiritual entity that was relegated to a
01:41:43.240geographic region namely persia that was ruling and reigning this angel to get to daniel to deliver
01:41:48.420a message from the lord had to do spiritual warfare and battle with this this spiritual
01:41:53.040entity the prince of persia before he could arrive so the idea that um that lucifer in
01:41:59.260rebelling against god and a third of the angels with him were and and the good book literally
01:42:04.300says, but woe to you, O earth, for the devil has been cast down to you. So these fallen angels
01:42:09.660didn't just go into the 17th dimension or evaporate into the ether, but actually fell to the world
01:42:16.040and had real power, right? Satan is referred to in the scripture as the prince of the air,
01:42:22.000right? The power of this age. And so the idea that Satan and some of his specific minions who
01:42:28.540followed him would have regional powers over this mountain range or this ocean. So I would look at
01:42:35.240Poseidon and I would say, yeah, the Greeks and the Romans were recognizing a real spiritual entity
01:42:41.860that had real tangible, who could actually, because even Jesus, when he's going to certain
01:42:46.760regions throughout Israel in his earthly ministry, it says there was a great storm that had never
01:42:51.920like that had never been before seen and and jesus speaks to the waves and there's and so for me i
01:42:58.580think i think that was actually demons i don't think it was just a storm i think that there
01:43:02.760was some demonic entity that was stirring up the wind and the waves um and and causing them to try
01:43:09.780to capsize the boat that jesus and disciples were on but jesus who has a greater power over poseidon
01:43:16.480so i when i think of pagans one of the reasons i i love the pagans is um i'm like man i just want
01:43:22.040you to be true to your heritage and do the most historical thing that pagans do convert to
01:43:28.300christianity i've heard that one before yeah no no and you know this is all great and i and i do
01:43:34.700think you know and and i'll give you credit i have spoken about theology today more and religion
01:43:39.200today more than i perhaps have in the last right several months i can't help myself i'm sorry no
01:43:43.520No, no. Well, I mean, I'm speaking to a pastor. I totally expected religion to come up. Don't worry.
01:43:48.380And I do think it's something that I am very, you know, in the kind of brass tacks tactical of organizing guys.
01:43:56.520I am very much in the day to day. I am very much in the matter of I administrate the organization.
01:44:02.320Right. You know, I am not merely a spokesman. But, you know, when I when I am not speaking in these interviews and representing the organization to everybody outside, I'm representing the organization to its own men.
01:45:02.820but I am happy to see them united in the columns
01:45:07.180that we can put into the great American cities,
01:45:09.560And I am happy to see them, you know, hand in hand working together with our efforts, whether that's disaster relief or whether it's political campaigning.
01:45:17.060And, you know, we have practices in the organization where there is no division among those different groups.
01:45:22.760And I do think, you know, if somebody is worried about this kind of religious division, that it is the work which will help to resolve it.
01:45:31.660It is the work of reclaiming our sovereignty and achieving national salvation, which may
02:01:36.200And, you know, there's so many men who are, I mean, and obviously by the time we reach this thing, home ownership and these other things should be much more attainable.
02:01:42.660There's so many men now who would totally have the right to vote, in my opinion, or they should, but would be forbidden from that because they're just renting and everybody's just renting.
02:01:52.340And obviously there would be a lot of nuances, but I do think the idea of, and I think you look back to the history of the Plymouth colony, right?
02:01:59.820And they originally organized it in a very horizontal manner.
02:02:03.200It was almost – people would say it's like original socialism or something in a context.
02:02:07.780And it didn't work because people didn't want to work on other people's farms because women didn't want to make clothes for other women's husbands, right?0.97
02:02:15.460And then they reworked it because the peril – it was such a dangerous situation where they were about to all starve to death or be torn apart and scalped by Indians.0.90
02:02:23.760And they reorganized it, and their nuclear building block for the family, their core element was the family.0.63
02:02:29.980Their community became – the family became the unit upon which everything was governed.
02:03:02.040Yeah, so for myself, the criteria that I've etched out is, and all this presupposes 100 million people go back.
02:03:08.080So after mass deportations, which I understand as of now, it's not super hopeful.
02:03:13.000It's not looking great for the home team.
02:03:14.200But if that happened, you know, we're speaking in the realm of theory, a hundred million, uh, mass deportations. And then for those who remain, um, it would be predominantly white. It wouldn't be exclusively white. Um, but it would be, uh, Christian. It would be, uh, in terms of who has the vote, I would want Christian. I would want male. Um, I would want, um, uh, heritage. And so you would define that as white.0.69
02:03:38.920I would define that as a third generation American on both sides of the family or fifth
02:03:43.620generation on one. So there's a stake in the past. Married, you wouldn't have to have children,
02:03:48.260but marriage in general, presupposing children, that gives you a stake in the future. So marriage
02:03:52.600for, I have a stake in the future, third generation on both sides or fifth generation on one,
02:03:58.360that's a stake in the past. It would be no felonies. You're not a criminal. And then-
02:08:54.180I'm capable of interacting with the reality that it is and still saying that, you know, I even think in the manifesto it says that some of these people can be good citizens, but they can't be American.
02:09:03.960And I think that's a distinction between, you know, the laws of man and the laws of nature.