The NXR Podcast - THE SPECIAL - White Nationalism Vs Christian Nationalism w⧸ Thomas Rousseau

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00:01:25.560 newchristianright.com forward slash conference. All right, Thomas, it's an honor. Thanks for

00:01:32.840 coming. Thanks for having me. Okay. Is it Rousseau or Rousseau? It's Rousseau. Rousseau.

00:01:38.000 Yes, sir. Okay. All right. So you are, what's your title? I am the leader and founder of Patriot

00:01:44.280 Front. Patriot Front. Super moderate centrist, friendly. Yes. No, I actually do think that.

00:01:51.800 that's the irony i actually think that like i was looking moderate i was looking into you and i was

00:01:56.100 like what's what's the controversy like it's pretty moderate um people like it's a fed off and i was

00:02:02.500 like well let's let's give it 24 hours if they find pipe bombs in dc then we'll know it was the

00:02:08.780 feds right once there's violence then we know that our government's involved you know but because it

00:02:13.440 was so peaceful the latest demonstration on the 250th i was like yeah like there could be and you

00:02:19.680 watched i did an episode on this um i think it's it's likely and maybe not you know but i think

00:02:25.380 just probability it's likely that there could be you know a couple guys infiltrating your

00:02:30.440 organization but in terms of it like run by feds as i watched the demonstration i watched some of

00:02:37.200 your speeches and i watched you on patrick bet david for from a couple years ago and it's like

00:02:41.760 if this was uh if thomas was a fed he would have been hitler maxing he would have been like there's

00:02:47.580 as they say yeah there's the script you know there's a pretty clear and you're like yeah

00:02:51.900 adolf hitler i don't hate him but you know i don't think he was a good guy i don't think he

00:02:56.760 was the worst guy but i honestly don't really care i'm more interested in my american heritage

00:03:00.600 and i was like yeah that's that's not fed talk not really and you know what you said earlier about uh

00:03:06.520 i do plan and i act as if there are as if there could be a federal agent or even several in the

00:03:13.900 organization i behave that way as a pastor in my church yeah and i think a lot of people should

00:03:18.460 try to consider what they're doing with the lens of oh what if there's a bad person around what if

00:03:23.580 there's somebody who doesn't have my interest and how do i plan to minimize that and that's why the

00:03:27.260 organization doesn't only have these rules about non-violence and our law-abiding activities

00:03:31.920 outside but internally members aren't allowed to do certain things with firearms that could be

00:03:36.980 totally legal but still could make it easier for somebody to slip through the cracks like that now

00:03:41.740 I'm a big supporter of the Second Amendment, as you know, but members are not allowed to train

00:03:45.880 with firearms with each other. In that march, right, 400 men through the city, not so much

00:03:50.920 as a corkscrew or a Swiss Army knife in anybody's pocket, right? And we set those very strong

00:03:55.300 boundaries so that if anybody comes in and tries to do the slightest bit towards that, we know that

00:03:59.980 something's wrong. And you know what? You don't have to be a federal agent to be dangerously

00:04:03.960 malicious. There's a lot of people out there who just don't have the right ideas. And we need to

00:04:07.880 be prepared for that as well um and the thing yeah i'm glad you mentioned that there are there

00:04:13.500 are guys who are malicious and sinister and undercover and trying to sow you know seeds of

00:04:18.320 discord all that kind of thing um and then there are also guys who are good guys and we love them

00:04:23.040 and we wish the best for them um but are equally liabilities uh not because they're malicious but 0.92

00:04:27.960 because they're retarded and the question is in some cases where what would this person have done 0.91

00:04:33.300 differently if they were malicious and sometimes there's not and you need to have the rules for 0.88

00:04:37.520 those cases too and you know the thing with uh you know when pbd was asking me about hitler and

00:04:42.700 i believe genuinely he had about an hour of questions prepared if i answered probably it was

00:04:47.120 great i just did an interview with him that will be coming out soon at the time that this comes out

00:04:52.020 it may sync up and uh you got to give the dude credit he does his homework he's very when i was

00:04:57.760 walking in i was not walking in as a stranger he knew way more about me than i knew about him

00:05:01.740 Yes, absolutely. And I could tell he had a lot. He definitely had done some research. I do think the interview went in a way he wasn't expecting.

00:05:10.680 Yeah, he thought you'd be more extreme.

00:05:12.700 And it's not that I believe my – no, I think my beliefs are the moral center of where I fall. So whether they're radical or moderate, they just are in my opinion.

00:05:21.520 But I do think there is a level of rationality which can be embodied with the nationalist position.

00:05:27.660 And I think a lot of people throughout the years have really not given it credit for that, that what we're trying to do is reasonable, is natural, is practical.

00:05:36.780 And sure, anybody can be a total whack job with whatever belief and pursue it in the wrong way that's going to give it a bad name.

00:05:43.660 But what I believe is just what I've always believed.

00:05:46.940 You know, we were talking about this a little bit.

00:05:48.460 I'm the same person on and off camera.

00:05:50.580 You know, I've worked with Jake Shields a lot where he's come out and done disaster relief, and he, you know, says many times that you are the same guy, you know.

00:05:57.660 And I think that's really important, especially for leaders and representatives, because whenever you have a split public and private view, whenever the private eventually gets out, which it does.

00:06:08.560 Well, yeah, it's not it's not if it's when they're going to assume that's the real one.

00:06:12.740 Correct. And it invalidates everything you've done.

00:06:14.580 So it's so important to me that there's no, oh, this is actually my secret ideology that I only tell to my friends.

00:06:20.480 No, I can tell that from you and talking offline before we hit record.

00:06:25.380 um i i can attest from the sense that i get that that's absolutely true and uh we were talking you

00:06:32.700 know that that's the secret power um you know it's like the uh you know i said like the breaking bad

00:06:38.260 uh scene the the gift that people share you know on twitter or whatever where it's uh one of the

00:06:44.140 characters like he can't keep getting away with it and you know my opponents you know there's those

00:06:49.120 moments where you can you can tell like they're like they're screeching looking at their phone

00:06:53.240 it's like we got him this time you know and then i like he can't keep getting away with it and it's

00:06:58.020 like why doesn't it stick and the answer is um because in my heart of hearts both public and

00:07:04.040 private all my signal chats could leak every single private backroom conversation could have

00:07:09.020 been recorded apart from my knowing and leaked to the internet and what you would find is oh he

00:07:14.520 the things he says publicly are actually what he believes privately like in my heart of hearts

00:07:19.220 i don't hate black people yeah i actually don't i don't hate them for being black either that's not

00:07:25.180 you know that's no that's not enough in my book and um you know we've had some news articles that

00:07:29.420 came out recently and one of them was you know they they they leaked an old document and it's

00:07:33.260 wow patriot front strictly non-violent stance and rules for its members that they could actually

00:07:38.080 get kicked out for proposing violent action and they have a dress code they have a document which

00:07:42.620 outlines the dress code speaking of the dress code yes i i'm not a member of patriot front

00:07:46.820 but i knew that you were coming and i thought you know what i need to bust out the khakis

00:07:51.140 for this one it's very appropriate good shade that would pass that would pass inspection no

00:07:56.680 you're good but uh it's just what we believe and people ask me about other organizations and other

00:08:01.900 people in the movement and i i do my best to avoid any mudslinging because that's not what

00:08:06.660 i'm here to do um not only just here specifically but anywhere because i believe the best thing you

00:08:11.780 can do is show your own virtues show your own accomplishments and if people say oh well what

00:08:16.580 do you think about this? Well, am I doing that? Am I not doing that? What can you actually see by

00:08:21.700 viewing my actions? And I think that's a great thing that activism and organization allows you

00:08:26.240 to do is to demonstrate your beliefs. Because some people get so caught up in the idea of

00:08:30.640 conventional politics that they just go around and they're just making promises for years ad

00:08:34.940 infinitum. And at a certain point, you realize that all the effort you've expended on these

00:08:39.400 promises, you could actually carry a few of them out. You could make some progress and you could

00:08:43.320 show us that you believe these things and i think that's one of the issues with politicians is they

00:08:47.320 don't really have to prove themselves they just have to say the right things and part of that is

00:08:51.220 our system of you know we've boiled down to the lowest common denominator of just a raw democracy

00:08:56.880 which none of our founders i mean they had nothing but negative things to say about a raw democracy

00:09:01.280 and when you take a democracy and you couple it with two things one universal suffrage and then

00:09:06.940 And two, sadly, like we both love our country, but we don't really have a country.

00:09:12.920 We're working on it.

00:09:14.040 We're working on it.

00:09:14.980 But we have a geographically centralized empire made up of multiple nations, many of them hostile to one another.

00:09:21.640 Like we have the nation of Somalia and the nation of Haiti and the nation of all within these United States.

00:09:27.680 so when you take globalism plus universal suffrage plus raw democracy back to the politicians

00:09:36.900 you've basically you've basically created a system where your politicians are incentivized

00:09:43.940 to be eternally perpetually campaigning and never actually governing they're always on a campaign

00:09:50.200 they're always seeking re-election they're always so they're very rarely doing anything like when

00:09:55.660 when trump is napoleon posting i'm like let's go right he who you know who saves his country

00:10:01.080 violates no law and i'm like yes and then you know when six months go by and i realize that

00:10:06.580 trump is full of it and he's never going to cross a rubicon or do like then i'm like oh

00:10:10.920 you know and and i think part of it even though he's not actually up for re-election jd vance

00:10:16.860 will be you know there's always another guy there's always another election there's always

00:10:21.340 some incentive structure for our politicians to where not only it's not that they don't do

00:10:28.680 something it's not that in they're inactive um to you know in spite of you know whatever they're

00:10:37.200 trying to accomplish no it's like that is that is the system the inaction is precisely what's

00:10:43.880 rewarded it's not they're rewarded despite being their inactivity they're rewarded because they're

00:10:49.280 inactive the changes are all very superficial and the but the actual progress is extremely

00:10:56.320 glacial and that's even in the good direction you know i'm not a capital s trump supporter as i say

00:11:03.640 um i've you know i mean i haven't been a trump supporter since i was a teenager in 2016 realistically

00:11:08.840 but i'm also not so rabidly anti-trump that i can't recognize a few good things that have 1.00

00:11:14.860 happened you know i do think it's a good thing every single foreigner that's deported from the

00:11:19.000 country you know with proper the with the proper processes that are taking place is a good thing

00:11:23.980 and i and i hope they continue to do that i want my government to be good i think some people

00:11:28.480 you know are so bound up that they can't admit that that that other people that they oh it has

00:11:33.940 to be terrible i want my government to be good i want these people to get better even if they are

00:11:37.760 the ones in power um and you know it's good when the state department i believe made a post and

00:11:42.660 they said oh well we oppose the great replacement or something or the the something like that

00:11:46.940 Something very similar to that, and they said they're fond of remigration, which is something, if you asked me 10 years ago if that was likely to happen, would be unthinkable.

00:11:54.480 And now at the same time, we can't let these kind of pittances of progress and change satisfy us because what we need – and I talked about this in my speech in Washington – that what we need is something which is very much broader, which needs to permeate – I said the soul of race and nation alike.

00:12:15.060 that we need to make demands not only of our representatives but ourselves but each other

00:12:20.480 and i think that's something very important about what patriot front does is we are prepared to

00:12:26.520 organize people on the very granular level because a lot of what is so wrong with the country comes

00:12:31.440 down to the lack of personal and civic virtue which needs to be practiced on the level of the

00:12:35.760 individual of the family within the community and i believe you need to be prepared to really

00:12:41.440 reach out to people and shake them by the shoulders and shout in their ears and give

00:12:45.820 them the type of examples and accountability. Because in a lot of ways, you know, like I said

00:12:50.080 in the speech again, you know, we are suffering the fate of a defeated people that our destiny

00:12:54.340 has been taken from us in many ways. And that's where vice comes in. That's where drugs, gambling,

00:13:01.500 you know, promiscuity, things of that nature, they seep in and they fill the gaps left.

00:13:07.240 Or just passivity, golly ball, you know, just, you know, just, did you catch the game?

00:13:12.200 Yes, exactly.

00:13:13.340 Nothing.

00:13:14.220 And, you know, you know, like you said, it's a, that you're going to have a culture either

00:13:18.540 way.

00:13:18.680 You know, you said this about a master, right?

00:13:20.840 You're going to, you're going to serve some master in life, whether it's Christ or whether

00:13:24.180 it's something superficial, something commercial.

00:13:26.320 And I think with culture, there's, there's a similar argument to be made that your cultural

00:13:31.320 tenets, foundations, the columns upon which your civilization is held aloft will either

00:13:36.760 be something which is you know celebrities bosses and sports ball players as they say or they could

00:13:43.080 be these deeply rooted traditions these founding myths and you know again you need to take these

00:13:50.020 things and you need to place them within the lives of people amen my favorite founding myths are the

00:13:54.840 the myths that are true yes well you know we we have we have a lot of great founding myths with

00:14:00.160 with the country and i think they're mythologized in a sense that they're almost more than history

00:14:06.740 yes they become religious yes they're compelling they're inspirational uh larger than life um there

00:14:13.340 is something grand to the story but this the strongest you know c.s lewis talked about you

00:14:18.240 know like the the true myth and um and and i think that that's what binds people together more than

00:14:24.360 anything else is like this is our story and yes it's been sensationalized but it wasn't fabricated

00:14:30.840 it comes from something that's real and um and that's what i i love being an american and that's

00:14:37.880 part of like like the hitler thing is um i don't i i just i don't feel compelled to do 10 000 hours

00:14:44.540 of research to find out you know whether or not hitler was the good guy or the bad guy that like

00:14:49.300 and i think history is just more complex so i'm not trying to overly demonize hitler i think mal

00:14:54.060 was worse i don't think he's the worst guy in the world uh throughout all of history but i also have

00:14:58.280 no incentive to lionize hitler um i i just realized that history is complex but the reason

00:15:04.320 i don't feel incentivized to do all this research and to find out is because we every every foundational

00:15:11.820 tenet that i think is necessary to save my country i have in my own nation's history and heritage

00:15:18.740 i i don't need hitler i can point to george washington kneeling in the snow beside his horse

00:15:25.160 praying to the triune god and loving his people and his heritage and um and that's powerful like

00:15:32.380 we have such an incredible heritage to draw from here in america and that's the beautiful thing is

00:15:37.900 like everybody all the the liberals are um the reason why i think it's ultimately unsustainable

00:15:45.260 their position is because it's like holding a beach ball under the water like it requires like

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00:15:57.860 artificial and therefore requires constant funding constant effort constant uh whereas 0.64

00:16:03.600 we can just point and say uh but this is true or this is our history or here here's a quote

00:16:10.340 directly from jefferson and directly from andrew jackson like and uh and i can do it all with my

00:16:16.640 nation's heritage. I don't actually need Weimar Germany, whatever was good or whatever was bad.

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00:17:45.680 And I think there's something to that where a lot of people,

00:17:48.600 you know, and it's interesting, you've seen social media recently with X,

00:17:50.940 you can post Hitler speeches all day long. 0.90

00:17:52.740 That's true. 0.99

00:17:53.120 That's fine. 0.93

00:17:53.660 But mine was really, and I'm not saying I'm better than Hitler 0.90

00:17:56.280 or worse than Hitler, for the record. 0.69

00:17:58.400 But, you know, I think it's very interesting that I think a lot of guys, 0.80

00:18:02.620 and I'm not, again, I'm not offended when I see Hitler stuff.

00:18:04.960 it doesn't bother me. But I do think there's part of it, which is kind of a replacement for 0.89

00:18:10.060 a national ideology. You look at nationalists throughout history, you know, thousands of years

00:18:14.020 of people fighting for their polity, their homeland, and it's always native grown. It's

00:18:19.480 always organic to the nation. And I've talked about this before, where I believe we need a

00:18:23.120 national ideology, that your cause needs to be taken from homegrown ingredients. And it's so

00:18:30.660 important that you have something which is uniquely your own because when i'm creating patriot front

00:18:35.460 the symbols the even the naming scheme just everything we do i aim for it to you know if you

00:18:41.280 took pf and we just dragged and dropped in another country it would look strange the slogans wouldn't

00:18:46.040 make sense the colors wouldn't make sense maybe in france or the netherlands but you know it

00:18:49.960 wouldn't make sense it would be it would be out of place and it should be it should be because we

00:18:55.400 need a cause that is uniquely our own you know you talked about how you know god made all the nations

00:19:00.200 And if that was his intent, then surely that it would be good in part of that plan to have all the nations.

00:19:07.800 And even in nationalism, we should not aim to sublimate into this kind of post-national pan-racialism.

00:19:16.180 And of course, I do feel a kindred spirit with the other nations of Europe because we are definitely more similar than we are.

00:19:21.620 We came from them.

00:19:22.660 Absolutely.

00:19:23.560 But at the same time, America is so unique.

00:19:25.780 And I think even so, you see some people and they say, oh, well, I wish we had this thing. 0.66

00:19:29.980 If things had gone this way or that way in World War II, we could be living in a pan-European super state which took the best stock of Europe and conquered a continent, and I have to grab them. 0.81

00:19:39.340 It's like you're living in it. 0.89

00:19:40.680 You're living in it, and it's under attack, and you won't even fight for it.

00:19:43.900 And I believe that there's so much richness and value to our heritage, and reconnecting with that, despite all of the crazy narratives.

00:19:54.360 And I was on another show recently and they were talking about how the aftermath of World War II was almost like a false founding where everything just became about refuting.

00:20:03.240 It was a replacement founding myth.

00:20:05.920 Yes.

00:20:06.160 So it took our founding, our real founding, the true myth that was foundational for America and said, no, that wasn't really it.

00:20:15.280 Your real history – and it just rewrote our history.

00:20:17.600 Your real history is propositional, right?

00:20:20.040 Your real history is X, Y, and Z. 0.58

00:20:22.220 And yeah, it was a hijacking of our history.

00:20:27.660 And we are a nation of pilgrims, of settlers, of pioneers, especially of pilgrims, very faithful people.

00:20:35.040 Yeah, immigrants. You're a nation of immigrants.

00:20:37.500 Settlers are different than immigrants. 1.00

00:20:39.260 They are. They are. 1.00

00:20:40.300 And they faced hardship and savagery and persecution and all of these things.

00:20:46.540 And their belief in what was right and what was good for their families and their communities

00:20:51.220 superseded all worldly troubles.

00:20:53.920 Correct, and that's what ultimately,

00:20:55.220 I've been making this argument,

00:20:56.480 that's what forges a nation.

00:20:57.960 Yes.

00:20:58.260 And we'll get to this in a second,

00:20:59.720 like what is a nation, nationhood.

00:21:01.380 But that's one of the key elements or ingredients,

00:21:04.020 I think, that forges a nation.

00:21:05.240 If you use like an illustration, like a blacksmith,

00:21:08.580 you have a cauldron, you have a furnace,

00:21:11.120 and then you have different ingredients

00:21:13.300 that you're putting in there.

00:21:14.580 And there's a big difference between,

00:21:16.160 we're gonna add some iron

00:21:17.360 and then we're gonna add some mud

00:21:18.880 versus like different metals.

00:21:21.220 right? Different metals are different. They're distinct, but there's a similarity to where they

00:21:26.200 can be, you know, forged together and welded over time. So one thing that you need is the actual

00:21:31.340 ingredients that's going to be going into this furnace to, you know, to pop out a sword.

00:21:35.960 Another thing that you need is time, right? So if you're going to take some alloy and silver and

00:21:41.060 iron, you can't just do it, you know, in 30 seconds, you're going to need a little bit of

00:21:44.940 time. And then, you know, so you need the ingredients distinct, but similar enough to

00:21:50.340 where they can be welded together.

00:21:52.300 Two, you need time.

00:21:53.940 Three, you need heat.

00:21:55.660 And from my Christian perspective, as a Christian pastor,

00:21:58.100 I think of that as just, this is God's providence.

00:22:00.940 But providentially, it's not just that God gives us time.

00:22:05.440 But in the American experiment, and really every nation,

00:22:08.700 that time was comprised of trial, adversity, difficulty.

00:22:15.140 And so, like Teddy Roosevelt,

00:22:16.920 we don't even have to go back to George Washington.

00:22:18.680 Teddy Roosevelt, when he's arguing for America as a nation, he's arguing for it on the basis of not

00:22:25.380 propositions, mere propositions, but ethnicity. He says there is the American ethnicity. And he

00:22:31.620 acknowledges that it's made up of originally multiple different nationalities. You have the

00:22:36.260 Irish, you have the Italians, you have, of course, the Anglos, the British. But then he says what

00:22:42.480 happened is over the course of 100 150 years you had similar properties distinct but similar enough

00:22:49.960 to where they could be welded together given you know a century century and a half of time

00:22:55.320 and the fires of adversity an entire continent to tame right the elements to be overcome all

00:23:02.400 and and that welded us together and so one of the difficulties now is all three of those things

00:23:07.580 um providence adversity time and uh distinct but similar ingredients uh we've we've done the

00:23:14.560 opposite of all three so now we say um instead of the irish and uh the swedish we'll say the irish

00:23:21.940 and the haitian right and instead of 150 years we'll say 15 minutes and instead of adversity

00:23:27.960 we'll say you get a check maximum commercial comfort for and and we think that that's like

00:23:33.780 You cannot have a nation that way.

00:23:35.920 You will never be welded together.

00:23:37.520 You will never become one. 0.60

00:23:39.320 These people will never assimilate.

00:23:41.300 They have no incentive to assimilate.

00:23:42.840 No, and Roosevelt talks about the conquest of the country.

00:23:48.740 And I've heard some people say, oh, conquest, it wasn't conquered, it was bought.

00:23:52.320 No, Jefferson said it was conquered.

00:23:54.360 Roosevelt said it was conquered. 1.00

00:23:55.780 America was conquered, and that's a good thing. 1.00

00:23:57.620 You know, he talked about the conquest as a continuation of the Anglo-Saxon conquests of Britain. He talks about it as part of this great racial story that just spans millennia. And can you imagine a president saying that today? 0.96

00:24:13.240 And there was so much, much more of a rootedness in what he's talking about and how much grander our history was in the eyes of our ancestors.

00:24:21.400 And then, you know, you talk about the frontier and, you know, there's the frontier thesis by Frederick Jackson Turner, I believe.

00:24:27.160 And he talks about how, you know, similar to where you say the providence, the hardships imposed upon us by providence, you know, the frontier was a great example of that.

00:24:34.980 Because for the entire development of the country, for hundreds of years, you had this very savage area always. 1.00

00:24:41.940 And you had the Indians, which I am actually very thankful for the Indians because they were just savage enough to give us contest. 0.99

00:24:50.360 But not so savage that they halted expansion.

00:24:52.700 And they were so distinct.

00:24:54.860 They were such a different people group that there was never really any chance.

00:24:58.980 And they weren't numerous enough.

00:25:00.180 There was never really any risk of mass amalgamation.

00:25:03.820 So they were part of this great cultural engine of development where the American identity was forged through this expansion, through the filibusters and the fighters and the frontiersmen and the fur trappers.

00:25:16.580 And you see this expansion across the entire country, and it's the development of civilization.

00:25:21.520 And if we look at that, we can actually draw parallels to what we should be doing today because we live in a very different world.

00:25:27.080 but I do believe the frontier is still part of the American ethnos,

00:25:30.940 and we need to find it if it's not under our feet.

00:25:33.600 I think that is distinctly European.

00:25:35.500 When you think of, so I, you know, from a Christian perspective,

00:25:38.620 I'm underneath, you know, the impression that,

00:25:41.460 it's more than an impression, this is what I believe,

00:25:43.940 that Europeans descended from Japheth, who is one of Noah's three sons.

00:25:49.360 And one of the promises that Noah, and ultimately the Lord,

00:25:53.140 gave through Noah to his three sons,

00:25:55.020 as it regards japheth in particular was that um that the lord would enlarge japheth and when you

00:26:01.580 think of um in expanding enlarging people and think of what are some of the innate characteristics

00:26:07.960 of his descendants that would be required in order for them to be a people bent on expansion

00:26:14.840 ambition is one of the first that comes to mind courage comes to mind but one of uh one of the

00:26:22.960 elements or characteristics would be, um, because it lends towards exploration, uh, would be

00:26:29.160 curiosity. I think that the European people are particularly curious people in a way that other

00:26:35.480 peoples aren't. And that, and that doesn't mean that other people don't have strengths, their own

00:26:39.700 virtues, their own strengths. And there are certain areas where we're weak, right? Like people talk

00:26:44.220 about equality and equality of outcome, I think is immoral. Um, but even equality of opportunity

00:26:49.440 is certainly a myth i did not have an equal opportunity to be in the nba as as michael

00:26:55.480 jordan did right there's something about you know his height his athletic prowess that's just like

00:27:00.540 yeah i didn't stand a chance pretty tall but not but not the same yes you know and so but our people

00:27:06.680 um i think have been a curious people that is lent towards discovery exploration innovation

00:27:13.720 um like you think of japan you think of china and they've been able to take a lot of westerner

00:27:20.280 inventions and implement them find out how to do them efficiently cheaper you know everything's

00:27:26.040 made in china you know all these things but but when you think of the discoveries themselves

00:27:30.120 throughout the 20th century for about 100 years you know you can look at the research and i think

00:27:35.180 it's about 95 to 97 percent of all major innovations and discoveries came from european

00:27:41.900 people. And I, you know, as a Christian, I'm going to say, I don't think that that's just

00:27:47.560 founded in Darwin. I feel like that's founded in a divine promise that the Lord gave to a

00:27:54.540 particular family. And that's what the nation is. People hate this, but it's undeniably true.

00:28:00.420 A nation is the family writ large. The Bible uses the term, uses nation, but also uses the phrase,

00:28:07.800 all the families of the earth and so we're speaking of when we say our people we're speaking

00:28:13.820 of distant cousins and relatives and from a common ancestry a common shared lineage so

00:28:21.020 i want to pose this question to you which i know is basic and you've probably answered a hundred

00:28:25.540 times but for people who may be new to you um what what is a nation how would you define nationhood

00:28:32.300 absolutely so a nation is a people you know and we're definitely on the same page when it comes

00:28:36.800 to that and i believe a nation must have a shared ancestry a sense of place language culture

00:28:43.500 traditions and a lot of people try to break down what a nation is but i believe nations are natural

00:28:50.380 they are natural constructs you know if you you know i said this on pbd i believe but if you

00:28:54.740 started the if you started the entire world over and you just placed people again you know if

00:28:58.840 creation just started anew you would end up with nations right there wasn't a point where somebody

00:29:03.360 invented nations right they're naturally occurring just just like animals for you know

00:29:07.800 fish form schools and people form nations and what we have is you know it when you see it

00:29:15.200 right and i believe america is a nation and we are a unique nation i believe we are much more

00:29:20.520 of a pan-racial nation than a lot of others in europe because we have been able to amalgamate

00:29:25.720 so many different european nations into one but that doesn't mean that america's culture is

00:29:31.880 uniquely evenly spread across the entirety of the European race. I believe our core cultural

00:29:38.860 foundation was Anglo-Saxon. It was. And when you look at the revolution... And Protestant on the

00:29:45.480 religious side. Yes, absolutely. There is something to the WASP. There is a deep Protestant and 0.81

00:29:49.420 And that doesn't mean it's exclusive to the WASP. Obviously, we took the Italians and so 0.53

00:29:55.120 catholics integrated in but but our core block was this white anglo-saxon protestant yes and

00:30:02.260 other groups were were able to assimilate only because they assimilated into that right with

00:30:07.640 reasonable amounts of variation but that was always the core because in order to assimilate

00:30:13.020 there has to be something to assimilate into correct which is a huge problem with the people

00:30:16.600 coming here today because not only and i believe nations are intra-racial not inter right so you 0.86

00:30:23.520 And this might vary from nation to nation, but I believe that a Frenchman could become English over a long enough period of time, and both of them could become American.

00:30:32.160 Could he or would you say his descendants, like generationally?

00:30:35.800 I would leave that up to the French and English, but in our stance, because I don't want to offend any Europeans, but I believe in our case, I think the nations that are closest to us, definitely in the Anglosphere.

00:30:48.620 I believe Canadians, Australians, New Zealanders, et cetera, could all very easily assimilate into the country with effort in one generation. 0.73

00:30:56.200 The further distinct you are European, I believe that could impose new challenges. 0.95

00:31:01.260 But I think it's something that's possible.

00:31:04.380 But I do not believe that nation – that somebody can kind of leap from one race to another into assimilation.

00:31:12.140 And then the next question people usually have is, well, what about Native Americans?

00:31:15.880 Well, I think I'm a Native American.

00:31:17.460 You're a Native American.

00:31:18.620 But, you know, like the Cherokee, right, the Narragansett, et cetera.

00:31:22.380 I believe they are distinct nations, and they always have been.

00:31:25.340 You know, the Comanche, the Navajo, they call themselves nations.

00:31:28.200 They have reservations.

00:31:29.180 If they were totally the same as us, why do they have reservations, right? 0.57

00:31:32.260 So they are their own nations.

00:31:34.420 And, you know, the Africans, the descendants of African slaves, I believe they are a distinct nation on this continent.

00:31:40.420 And you could argue that their culture and identity has diverged so much from their West African ancestors that they are unique.

00:31:48.040 A new nation.

00:31:48.620 And they are a new nation.

00:31:50.220 And that is a totally fair argument.

00:31:52.340 But you have to look throughout American history

00:31:54.200 and see that we are definitely two distinct people

00:31:56.220 sharing the same land.

00:31:57.300 So what do you think?

00:31:58.780 So I don't entirely disagree.

00:32:00.760 I more so agree than disagree.

00:32:03.300 But this is where we get into some of the distinctions

00:32:05.580 between us.

00:32:06.640 So the way that, you know, to sum it up

00:32:08.920 at the risk of oversimplicity,

00:32:12.200 I would define myself as a Christian nationalist.

00:32:14.980 i would be sympathetic to somebody who's a white nationalist i wouldn't um i wouldn't seek to

00:32:21.340 demonize them and and you know now i think there are some white nationalists like i said earlier

00:32:25.840 who um if if they're not if they're not the enemy they um you know they might as well be you know

00:32:33.480 with friends like these you know who needs enemies um but it's not from a place of malice it's from 0.97

00:32:38.240 a place of retardation you know they just they can't help themselves but there are other white 0.89

00:32:42.740 nationalists who i think are mature uh benevolent kind respectful and for those guys i don't i don't 0.96

00:32:49.500 want to throw them under the bus unnecessarily so i i'm not a white nationalist um but i'm not

00:32:55.600 going to say and therefore white nationalists are evil and blah blah blah blah blah but when i say 0.78

00:32:59.800 i'm a christian nationalist i would have a place within my visualized america for clarence thomas 0.96

00:33:07.460 whereas I think

00:33:09.600 and this is

00:33:10.720 posed as a question

00:33:11.980 so you're an American nationalist

00:33:13.620 but you're a white nationalist

00:33:15.040 and so

00:33:16.520 does Clarence Thomas have to go back?

00:33:20.440 So if we're talking practically

00:33:21.940 at best

00:33:25.040 he would be at the very end of the line

00:33:26.340 and I think

00:33:28.680 realistically speaking

00:33:30.020 we need a political era

00:33:32.120 defined by remigration

00:33:33.720 by deportation, mass deportation

00:33:36.340 repatriation. And it's not just getting people out of the country. Because, you know, when you're

00:33:41.760 talking about the curiosity of the European race, the things which make us unique, it's so important

00:33:47.880 that we understand that we don't just want a country where everybody's white. Like, that's not 0.50

00:33:52.420 enough, right? You know, you could do that today. I mean, theoretically. The greatest enemy of my

00:33:57.240 children is not Mossad. Exactly. And I'm not a fan of Mossad. Good to know. But it's the white

00:34:03.420 overweight lesbian blue haired feminist yes who has statistically the most likelihood of killing 1.00

00:34:11.080 my kids so like i i just can't like some of the you know like i i wrote a whole book um about 0.97

00:34:16.980 dispensational zionism and being you know our country being in a stranglehold from israel and

00:34:22.920 foreign interests and all these kind of like i'm i'm aware of uh the jq i'm of course i'm very aware 0.87

00:34:29.080 At the same time, though, I don't want to lose some of the momentum of, it's like, well, you know, we can all, as long as we're all white, you know, or as long as we're all, you know, J-pilled, you know, or as long as we're, no, like, Sneeko has to go back.

00:34:46.360 you need to be better there's things which made europe and america so great that these are learned

00:34:53.080 traditions it's not enough to be as you are and we need to enhance and improve the lives of our

00:34:58.380 people so you know just getting back to the question about you know how we define a nation

00:35:03.220 now again practically speaking there's probably going to be some people who are who are of

00:35:08.880 different nations left in the country even after years and years of this process because i do think

00:35:12.400 you need to do it while maintaining a semblance of law and order because you know law and order

00:35:16.800 and some type of legitimate government function it's a lot easier to destroy than it is to bring

00:35:21.280 back and i do actually want safety and security i do believe in that you know people have perhaps

00:35:26.800 varying levels depending on who they are but some amount of essential human dignity you know and i

00:35:32.680 don't think that turning the country into a massed area of you know bayonets and barbed wire and

00:35:38.240 kicking everybody out you know on a whim without any mind to stability is productive because that

00:35:44.300 would hurt my people right i want things to be done well and i and i do understand that solid

00:35:50.380 progress can be slow but you know thinking about who needs obviously there's maybe upwards of a

00:35:56.120 hundred million people in the country right now who could be they're already illegal or they could

00:36:00.800 be denaturalized with existing laws right what we need then is not you know you don't need a new

00:36:06.120 constitution right you need a government with the will to act yes and beyond that i think if we made

00:36:12.700 that change a lot of people who probably don't belong here but may still be citizens would

00:36:16.960 probably want to leave and then you could look into repatriation policies that facilitate that

00:36:21.460 that subsidize that and that could even be it could save the government money when you actually

00:36:27.280 look at these things and that could be very appealing to a lot of people who are feeling

00:36:31.740 the strain of the economy and there's a lot of positive things that you could look to with how

00:36:36.400 that would affect the the housing crisis yes how that would affect you know the the strain on our

00:36:41.720 social services and infrastructure so there's many things and you know when it comes back you know

00:36:46.700 at the end of the day and i believe we need an era not just a regime you know when you look at

00:36:50.780 perhaps the jacksonian era there was perhaps 40 years defined by andrew jackson's presidency but

00:36:57.680 defined by his traits and ideas about how a government should act by the decisions he made

00:37:01.760 and the precedents he set. And I think what we need is a new nationalist era of American

00:37:09.260 governmental legislation and leadership. And that will be enough to set the country right.

00:37:15.080 And, you know, that could amount to, you know, things so far as even a few changes to the

00:37:18.840 constitution. Right. I think that's totally warranted. I mean, it's happened before and

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00:38:32.480 what i always say is i think in in terms of the constitution um i love it i think it's a beautiful

00:38:41.960 providential document written mostly by christian men but um for me i would want to

00:38:48.800 formally adopt um the apostles creed or the nicene creed as a preamble to the constitution

00:38:54.620 i do think that we should have explicitly and unapologetically

00:38:58.280 informally named the lord jesus christ um and so i do think that now i understand that nobody's

00:39:05.300 doing politics or theology or anything in a vacuum everybody is a product of providence and context and

00:39:11.260 and so i understand why our founding fathers assumed certain things that we can no longer

00:39:17.420 take for granted but i would like to see you know the apostles creed adopted formally as a preamble

00:39:23.860 to the constitution i would like to uh with wisdom and prudence revisit the latter amendments after

00:39:29.800 the first 10 the rest of the constitution and the first 10 amendments i'm fine with but i would

00:39:35.060 simply want to get back to authorial intent so like the first amendment as it regards not even

00:39:39.940 just freedom of speech but um freedom of religion um i i would look at that and say well what's the

00:39:46.700 first word of the first amendment um congress so congress cannot declare at the national level

00:39:53.480 that we are these united states of the episcopalian church you know of or of the presbyterian or of

00:39:59.780 the catholic church which is fair i would say no national church um not because i'm afraid of

00:40:05.220 hurting the feelings of jews or muslims or hindus or atheists um but because i think that we are

00:40:11.380 a nation that um it has different expressions and denominations of our common lord i wouldn't want

00:40:18.520 the baptists to be kicked out or disparaged i wouldn't want the um the anglicans to be so i i

00:40:25.800 don't think and i think that that's what the founders were assuming they were recognizing

00:40:29.700 this is a pan protestant nation and at the time with maryland um you know there was a catholic

00:40:35.220 presence as well it was the minority report but it was present and so i i think that that's what

00:40:40.540 they were concerned about i i don't think they could even conceive of you know when writing

00:40:44.780 uh the first amendment you know we're carving out space for muslims 250 years later right i don't 0.70

00:40:51.120 think that that was i think they were saying no we don't want a national state-run church of a

00:40:57.760 specific not not creed but confession that would exploit and disparage other muslims no other

00:41:06.080 christians i think that so my point is i i think that you know you could revisit latter amendments

00:41:11.080 after the first 10 adopt the apostles creed as a formal preamble to the constitution and get back

00:41:16.540 to authorial intent uh with everything the vast majority that remains and and that would be fine

00:41:23.080 But then the biggest missing ingredient would still remain, it's not the paper, it's the will, the people and the will.

00:41:30.740 Like, can we, you know, so right now it's, it's, it's funny because it's like, I'm not against the constitution, but I regularly find myself spurring on our politicians to be willing to, at times, go against the constitution to save the constitution.

00:41:47.620 because I know that people who hate the constitution

00:41:50.860 are weaponizing the constitution

00:41:53.020 to ensure that it can't be saved.

00:41:55.920 And so you have to know, where are we?

00:41:58.520 What time is it?

00:41:59.760 Yeah, absolutely.

00:42:00.660 And when you look back at the founders,

00:42:02.340 I think it's important to realize

00:42:03.520 that we're looking back at them hundreds of years ago.

00:42:06.380 They were looking hundreds of years back themselves

00:42:08.520 on the precedents.

00:42:09.180 And they were looking back

00:42:10.440 at the wars of the Reformation.

00:42:12.160 They were looking back at this terrible time

00:42:14.220 in European history where principalities

00:42:16.640 were leveled over distinctions which today we would consider relatively minor and to them i

00:42:22.660 suppose a denominational war between faiths seemed likely possible christian faith yes but still

00:42:30.700 immense hostility nonetheless yes so that seemed like a greater issue to them then perhaps you know

00:42:37.040 they couldn't imagine what has happened with immigration and demographic decline so you know

00:42:42.800 We need to understand that their intention was not – well, their intention was to keep the nation unified.

00:42:48.900 Their intention was to have domestic tranquility, and they sought to do that by having this sort of limited religious freedom that avoided these sort of internecine conflicts.

00:42:58.520 But at the same time, if you're looking back at their authorial intent, they did not predict the – I mean some of the first things they did was limit citizenship. 0.86

00:43:07.800 And at the Constitutional Convention, one of the first things that they agreed is how soon can we stop importing Africans? 0.94

00:43:14.180 So they did have the intent to keep the nation culturally homogenous, and I think that's very important when you're looking at the Constitution. 0.92

00:43:21.520 But it's also important to realize that the Constitution is – it's a document. 0.67

00:43:26.140 It's not – it can't defend itself.

00:43:27.720 It is literally just a system, and it is powerful because it is viewed as legitimate, because it has the mutual agreement of so many people that that is, well, those are the rules we're following.

00:43:38.220 But the Constitution is not the Bible.

00:43:40.700 It's not even a manifesto.

00:43:42.480 It's not a life-encompassing document on philosophy.

00:43:46.600 It's a list of rules and rules for making those rules.

00:43:49.820 And rules for particular people at a particular time.

00:43:52.600 Yes.

00:43:53.200 The Constitution was brilliant for that time.

00:43:57.100 Yes.

00:43:57.720 um we now like you know it's you know at this point it's almost cliche but you know the

00:44:03.920 constitution was written for a moral and religious people and the problem is that um we no longer 0.97

00:44:08.980 have those people yes and and not just because we've been flooded by immigration um but white

00:44:14.180 european people are no longer moral and religious like i was saying earlier the the most active

00:44:19.860 um tangible threat to my own children are my white neighbors unfortunately who are progressive and

00:44:26.900 liberal and want to indoctrinate children in schools and drag queen story hour and all these

00:44:32.440 different things like tyler robinson i don't he may have had help you know i i have my suspicions

00:44:39.000 at the same time um i i don't actually have to do 14d chess and well it was secretly massad and

00:44:45.880 this and that no it actually does make whether it's true or not it makes sense that a white dude 0.65

00:44:51.380 with a furry transgender boyfriend shot another white dude that i appreciate it that actually 0.95

00:44:58.360 makes sense because that's how far we've devolved is it's not just like oh all the white people are 0.95

00:45:03.880 standing back to back you know against the the browns no you know it's no it's like about a good 0.91

00:45:10.700 60 70 percent of these white people hate me just as much as the black people and and that's and 0.95

00:45:16.980 And so we're fighting a battle on multiple fronts, and we have to recognize it's not 0.94

00:45:23.740 overly simplistic.

00:45:24.960 There's complexities.

00:45:26.460 There's nuance. 0.98

00:45:27.980 We can't afford to be one-sided, to be primitive, to be retarded. 0.87

00:45:33.520 Like I was saying earlier, we actually have to be wise. 0.99

00:45:36.280 We have to be above reproach.

00:45:38.080 We have to be respectful.

00:45:39.440 We have to be reasonable.

00:45:40.520 And we have to be intelligent.

00:45:42.360 Yes.

00:45:42.480 and you know that that's important because you know you were talking in your episode about

00:45:46.520 patriot front about the possible risks of organizing and you know i deeply understand

00:45:52.040 how important it is for us to be intelligent and smart and how to go about our goals and

00:45:58.580 our achievements in a very practical way and i believe that you know we need to work together

00:46:04.620 we need to have systems we need to have ways to organize people because you know it doesn't just

00:46:10.360 have to be a political organization like Patriot Front. But what you realize is PF isn't just one

00:46:15.680 thing. It's actually, it's just an umbrella. It's a centralizing idea that encompasses so many

00:46:23.140 different unique tactics, whether we're building gyms or having family events, or whether we're

00:46:28.480 doing conventional political campaigning for candidates who are deserving of it, few and far

00:46:32.280 between as they may be, or whether we're doing media, republishing literature, hosting or

00:46:38.120 attending conferences going to europe you know outdoorsmanship you know you realize that it's not

00:46:43.260 patriot front is an idea it's a methodology and it's it's a means for solving problems more so

00:46:49.480 than it is a specific set of tactics and you know we need to reclaim america but also our people

00:46:57.200 we need to reclaim the space in their lives that should be dedicated to something greater

00:47:01.880 and you know because you know you the with the constitution right just putting a putting a pin

00:47:07.660 in the constitution discussion, 90% of what is probably practically day-to-day wrong in the

00:47:13.280 country is not, could be solved with legislation, could be solved with things which do not require

00:47:18.760 these changes. What you'd be looking at those changes is to get the country back on track for

00:47:22.180 another 250 years. And inevitably there will need to be another revolution. There will need to be

00:47:26.640 another course correction because nations are natural. You know, their lifespans are tied to 0.80

00:47:32.920 our own right and that's why we need to place the faith and the virtues of government in our people

00:47:39.300 but we need to make sure our people are a good place to place those in i i so appreciate because

00:47:45.880 it's it's theologically um just it's undeniably true i appreciate that you've said multiple times

00:47:53.040 at this point that nations are natural um i think that a lot of christians who i love one of their

00:47:59.140 problems is they're actually giving way to an ancient heresy known as Gnosticism, uh, which is

00:48:04.720 in, in a nutshell is the, the inclination to over-spiritualize everything. So the Gnostics,

00:48:11.620 the early Gnostics, like the whole book of first John and the new Testament is, you know, much of

00:48:16.460 it is written against, um, not just heretics, but of a particular stripe, namely Gnostics that, um,

00:48:23.180 that would speak of, you know, these enlightened few, you know, the elite who have had some kind

00:48:29.820 of mystical experience and are now in the know. Um, and, and, and they were scaring the hell out

00:48:37.040 of, uh, the church there that John is writing to under the inspiration of the spirit, making them

00:48:42.620 think like that God has visited us in a dream and in visions and, and he's downloaded to us

00:48:49.560 this special mystical revelation um gnostic comes from gnosis secret knowledge we have this secret

00:48:56.360 knowledge and john as an apostle of jesus christ is writing to them and saying no i'm not withholding

00:49:01.600 from you everything that jesus has revealed to me i i've said it out loud i'm not hiding my

00:49:06.820 spiritual power levels i um i promise there's there's not some mystical over-spiritualized

00:49:12.240 experience that you guys have been neglected from this is the truth this is who jesus was

00:49:17.100 I was an eyewitness to the resurrected Lord. There is no special knowledge. And another element of

00:49:23.220 Gnosticism is the Gnostics, it's not that they elevated the spiritual above the natural,

00:49:30.400 because that is, I think, innately Christian, right? That the soul is of more value than the

00:49:35.660 body. But even within historic Christian theology, we believe in a final physical resurrection of

00:49:43.800 the dead so that the final state of mankind both in heaven and in hell will not just be you know

00:49:50.420 spirits floating on clouds but actually a bodily and soul the soul rejoined with the body existing

00:49:58.000 forever with the risen lord who also the lord jesus second person of the holy trinity has a

00:50:04.580 body that's the whole incarnation is that he took on flesh the word the logos that's eternal

00:50:09.600 and spirit took on flesh and dwelt among us the two natures of christ both divine and human and

00:50:16.940 and my point is that when we think of nations a lot of christians well-meaning they want to

00:50:22.740 over spiritualize everything but nations are actually belonging to the natural kingdom and

00:50:28.820 not the spiritual kingdom and god himself testifies to this acts chapter 17 says that

00:50:34.540 in the case of nations, that nations were God's idea, not man's invention, that he sets both their

00:50:40.200 times and their borders. And even if we track back to the table of nations in Genesis chapter 10 and

00:50:45.700 11, the Noahic covenant in Genesis chapter nine and the tower of Babel, a lot of Christians view

00:50:52.280 nations and they do the same thing with the distinctions between male and female, right?

00:50:56.180 The feminist progressive Christian, and you know, if you're listening to this on Apple or Spotify, 0.99

00:51:01.080 i'm the biggest air quotes i can i can muster very christian but the feminist christian is going to

00:51:07.280 say that patriarchy is simply a consequence of sin the fall whereas i would say no the consequence

00:51:15.260 of sin is not male headship the consequence of sin is that male headship would have would have

00:51:21.560 a temptation to be overly domineering and that uh that women would buck against masculine leadership

00:51:29.420 and not like it. So the curse of sin is not patriarchy, but feminism. Same thing. Now going

00:51:38.160 to nations, people look at the Tower of Babel and say, see, God dispersed the peoples and

00:51:43.740 supernaturally caused them to speak in different tongues so that they moved to different corners

00:51:47.720 of the earth and developed, you know, and this division of nations is actually a result of the 0.84

00:51:52.660 pride of trying to build this tower that would stretch to the heavens so they can make a name

00:51:56.560 for themselves um and and i don't read it that way i don't think that's true i think there were

00:52:00.880 two sins at the tower of babel one was pride a high-handed arrogance they were trying to build

00:52:06.840 a tower that stretched the heavens so that they could be as god make a name for themselves but

00:52:10.720 the text actually also says um and let's do this so that we will not be separated or scattered

00:52:17.620 over the face of the earth and if you go to the dominion mandate predating um the tower of babel

00:52:23.600 all the way back to Genesis 2, Genesis 3, one of the commands of God to Adam and Eve was to be

00:52:28.820 fruitful and multiply and fill the earth. So I believe that even if sin had never entered the

00:52:34.120 world in Genesis 3, or this particular unique sin in the Tower of Babel, this high-handed

00:52:39.680 arrogance, what would have happened naturally in natural categories without sin and without the

00:52:46.700 curse is that the sons and daughters of Adam and Eve over time and throughout subsequent generations

00:52:53.280 would have explored, would have expanded, and would have been separated through geographic

00:52:58.820 barriers that God himself called good, that he built into the fabric of creation. These people

00:53:04.100 separated for 500 years now by this mountain range, or this river, or this ocean, and developed

00:53:10.160 naturally different dialects, which would have devolved into different languages, and different

00:53:14.040 cuisine, and different cultures. And maybe once every 500 years, there'd be a, you know, because

00:53:19.380 death was a result of sin and so there'd be every 500 years a pilgrimage of all the peoples of the

00:53:24.540 earth coming back to see great great grandfather adam you know and hear the story of him and and

00:53:29.340 his wife eve walking in the garden in the cool of the day but they they so they wouldn't have been

00:53:34.060 at war there would not be hostility but there would be distinctions they would be different

00:53:38.680 people some would live closer to the equator right there would be different skin tones and

00:53:43.960 and it sounds like a great plan yeah i hope it all goes but it was god's plan is my point so this is

00:53:48.600 not the curse this is not sin um every tribe tongue and nation i told you before we were

00:53:53.860 recording um i actually like diversity in heaven right um and and here's the thing if if i want to

00:54:01.940 be uh surrounding the throne of my lord and savior worshiping him forever with my brothers and

00:54:08.240 sisters in christ of every tribe tongue and nation people who don't look like me and speak like me

00:54:13.920 to have diversity in the end game heaven those distinctions have to be maintained and not eroded

00:54:20.820 now here temporally on earth and if we eradicate all distinctions and it just becomes this

00:54:28.220 amalgamation this this brown soup you know we all speak the same dialogue dialect we all look the 0.52

00:54:34.500 same we all um then you you actually lose this great eternal eschological promise and here's

00:54:41.380 the thing it's not just what i like who cares what joel likes it seems like god mentions this

00:54:46.060 because he likes it it seems like there's something about the christian god who actually

00:54:50.580 prefers and designed that there would be not just um one people but there would be a variety of

00:54:59.040 distinct peoples in different dialects with different cultures with who all love and worship

00:55:05.220 him and so i want as a christian nationalist i want to see all the nations christianized

00:55:09.940 i think some of those nations um their christianization will involve um our colonization

00:55:16.400 that we would go and and help these people as the british empire did right and and that being

00:55:22.800 benevolent kind um not not brutal not and and it's not to say that that europeans have never

00:55:29.060 done anything wrong in colonization but but going and helping other nations but helping them where

00:55:34.440 they are and not helping them here. And so I want to see all these things occur in the providence

00:55:41.460 of God over time. But the point is that nations should not be over-spiritualized. They fall into

00:55:50.020 natural categories and they're not merely a result of the consequence of sin, but would have happened

00:55:56.000 naturally even if sin had never entered the world because it pre-existed. Nations pre-existed man

00:56:02.600 in his preferences or innovations it existed first i believe in the mind of the triune god

00:56:08.440 before the foundations of the world were ever late nations are good and and we have to see them

00:56:14.560 as good and as belonging to natural categories but of a divine innovation and i think that you

00:56:22.060 would agree with that even though you yourself are not a christian you believe in a higher power

00:56:26.780 right yes you're not an atheist there there is there is something more to the material world and

00:56:33.220 right you know my faith is uh i wasn't raised extremely religious my parents you know it was

00:56:38.040 kind of the process which i'm sure you're not unfamiliar with where uh on the special holidays

00:56:41.900 you know you go to church and that's about it um nothing against my parents though of course

00:56:46.040 but um you know that has been you know largely where i've been and that's and you know people

00:56:51.020 are often defined by the circumstances of their birth but i have grown my appreciation for the

00:56:55.680 Christian faith. And I do think that there's an immense value to it. And I do think it is an

00:56:59.360 integral part of American history. And what you're saying is very compelling because we've had

00:57:06.460 members who have spoken with their family. And I have heard arguments made that, oh, well,

00:57:12.960 all of this politics you're doing, all of this trying to uplift the people or stop immigration

00:57:17.640 or these other things, it's all so worldly. Why do you even care? You're just running out the

00:57:22.140 clock until you can die and go to heaven. And I don't think that's your position. You know, and 0.97

00:57:27.220 I do think it's important that we realize that the worldly, you know, is also real, is a part of the

00:57:34.640 plan. And, you know, regardless... God made a physical world. We experience it. And he liked it.

00:57:40.520 Yes. He said, and it is good. So like God, actually, God is not Gnostic. God cares about...

00:57:47.580 And the Apostle Paul says spiritual training is of greater value.

00:57:52.420 It's the highest priority.

00:57:55.140 And then he says bodily training, physical training, is of some value. 0.95

00:57:59.920 And I think that a lot of Christians, as they're triaging virtues, priorities, importance, 0.79

00:58:07.600 when they see something as more important than the other,

00:58:10.640 a lot of times they'll allocate no importance to the latter.

00:58:14.420 so because this is because eternity is more important than temporal temporal is therefore

00:58:20.940 of no importance because the soul is of greater value than the body the body therefore is of no

00:58:26.560 importance but that is not historic christian doctrine that is a modern perversion of christian

00:58:32.280 doctrine that conveniently also seems in terms of its timing to sync up with propositional

00:58:39.620 nationhood liberalism pacifying people so they do not resist their dispossession it's almost as if

00:58:45.800 it's a foreign element which has been imposed upon us in many ways and i get so i get some of

00:58:50.400 the white nationalists who are pagan right um i vehemently disagree with them but i don't hate

00:58:56.380 them um at all i want to actually i want to evangelize them i want i want to preach to them

00:59:02.040 the gospel i want to see them come to jesus you know but one of the things that i'm constantly

00:59:06.720 telling them is i because i'm sympathetic to them seeing christianity and particularly the teachings

00:59:11.740 the red letter teachings of christ in the new testament as a liability to our people in terms

00:59:17.720 of natural categories the descendants of europeans they're like turn the other cheek go the extra 0.74

00:59:21.920 mile love your neighbor the good samaritan who helps somebody who's outside of his people

00:59:26.460 and he's the one who's commended all these teachings joel are um they're literally the

00:59:31.200 recipe for the suicide of white people you know and so i and i see that and i'm sympathetic and 0.59

00:59:36.600 so what i'm trying to constantly convey to white nationalist guys who are um who are a little bit 0.92

00:59:43.040 more interested in thor and odin than they are jesus is um i'm saying no no no no it's it's the

00:59:48.520 christianity is not the liability it's the pervert it's the modern liberalization of christianity

00:59:54.880 that has become the poison to natural categories

00:59:58.180 and a nation's prosperity and its health and its vitality.

01:00:04.660 It's not Christianity, it's the perversion of Christianity.

01:00:07.580 And I know this and can defend this 0.87

01:00:09.760 because all I have to do is point to pagans.

01:00:13.000 No, I can point to every Christian ever

01:00:15.440 until pretty much the 1960s. 0.97

01:00:18.720 Right.

01:00:19.540 And all of them believed in race.

01:00:21.540 All of them understood natural categories.

01:00:23.300 all of them elevated natural law all of them loved these teachings of jesus but it wasn't

01:00:28.660 an either or they took the turn the other cheek and they took the teachings of and they were able

01:00:32.980 to hold them in tension with natural revelation with a clear understanding of of natural distinctions

01:00:40.860 um and and i can do this with not only christians but the the christians who are my my uh national

01:00:49.420 founders i can do this with george washington i can do this with andrew jackson i can do this

01:00:54.120 with teddy roosevelt i can i can do this with all these great men who would say um yeah this person

01:01:00.420 is different yeah and as somebody also made in the image of god yeah for sure can be catechized

01:01:06.180 can take the lord's supper can be a christian but also is different and they were reading the bible

01:01:12.480 yes and saw no contradiction right no and as somebody who is i'm not currently a participating

01:01:18.900 member of any organized religion so and it's it's my job as the leader of the organization to

01:01:23.460 represent these various men right who are either and i mean there's three categories in the

01:01:27.680 organization either you're some type of christian or you are some type of you know heathen or pagan

01:01:32.460 or you're neither right and just broadly you know broadly not religious with neither real quick

01:01:37.160 does that allow for the agnostic or does that allow even for the atheist um so in my experience

01:01:43.200 this atheism, you know, like capital A atheism is more of a, and it's, it was kind of an ideology

01:01:50.000 more than it was just a disposition. And the actual ideology you will find of, again, capital

01:01:57.080 A atheism is not really compatible with what we do. It's not. Because it, and I mean, you look at

01:02:02.960 it, it was kind of, I don't want to say a fad, but it was much more trendy. And much more modern.

01:02:08.220 Yes, and it wasn't just, oh, I don't believe in God. It was a very kind of wide set of beliefs about the world, and some of those other political stances don't really comply, and so there's a lot of agnostics in the organization.

01:02:23.760 I would say the people that look into the organization and even use the term atheist, you know, in their application or anything is maybe 1%.

01:02:31.700 And even in that, there's even smaller of a group where they say, oh, well, maybe I was raised atheist, but now I just don't know.

01:02:39.340 Or maybe I am atheist, but I really like the, you know, I appreciate Christianity and blah, blah, blah.

01:02:44.020 So you're not really capital A ideologically atheist.

01:02:47.160 Nobody is anymore.

01:02:47.420 It almost doesn't exist.

01:02:48.580 The atheists kind of had their high watermark in the 90s.

01:02:51.220 Yes.

01:02:51.360 Right, like James Lindsay, the new atheist.

01:02:54.200 And at this point, the hardest thing about being an atheist 0.87

01:02:59.380 is telling your dad you're gay. 0.70

01:03:01.260 You know what I mean?

01:03:01.660 So at this point, even James Lindsay is like,

01:03:04.300 no, I'm agnostic.

01:03:06.300 Everyone's kind of retreated from that position 0.97

01:03:08.500 because it was so silly.

01:03:10.000 Yeah, and it's tough when I see... 0.88

01:03:13.100 Now, religious infighting does not exist within the organization.

01:03:16.520 We are so unanimous in our common cause,

01:03:19.780 And it's almost frustrating when I see the complete unity that exists within the organization because we're all fighting for the same thing.

01:03:26.320 We're fighting for the same people.

01:03:27.880 And the members of different faiths are the representatives of their convictions.

01:03:33.140 I tell them, it's like, I don't want you to go try to aggressively convert these other guys because that would kind of get in the way of the work you're doing right now.

01:03:41.080 And if you genuinely want them to come over to your side, then be the best representative.

01:03:45.900 Be the best you can be.

01:03:47.420 Represent your ideas. 0.95

01:03:49.320 But then you step out onto the internet space, and everybody's just – and it's like, oh, well, here's an example of a pagan who has rainbow hair and is a homosexual. 0.59

01:03:58.860 Oh, well, here's an example of a Christian who has rainbow hair and a homosexual.

01:04:01.340 It's like you both have so much more in common with each other than you do these other people, and there is this broader virtue that you're touching into, and it is common throughout European civilization for thousands of years. 0.93

01:04:16.840 and you know i do believe that the christianity in europe is european now there are parts of the

01:04:23.440 world that have been christian for thousands of years i you know like ethiopia right i think was

01:04:27.060 one of the first places if not maybe the first to be converted one of the first um you know but i i

01:04:32.340 would still say that you know that the ethiopians have had an effect on their christianity now even

01:04:37.620 the theology can be the same but certain lived realities of it are distinct because of the place

01:04:44.040 that it is because of the way that those people live right and you know i think that we need to

01:04:50.260 climate geography has a huge impact so i think europeans were shaped i would say the biggest

01:04:56.000 thing would be uh 1500 years of christendom so from constantine to king alfred and all the way

01:05:01.360 you know common uh case law and all these different things so i think i think the gospel shaped

01:05:05.660 europeans massively um i also think that climate uh geography shaped like right you know um

01:05:13.820 when every day in terms of the weather and the climate is the same as yesterday and the day

01:05:18.360 before and the day before versus living in cold places where you have to have high time versus

01:05:23.540 low time preference you have to plan ahead you know and that colds the population you know your

01:05:28.480 dim wits don't survive the winter you know what i mean like so that's going to have an effect even

01:05:32.800 in america part of it is interracial marriage part of it is christianization catechesis part

01:05:39.320 of it also i think is the brutality and harsh elements of slavery cold african americans in a 0.98

01:05:49.040 way that sub-saharan africans that remain there what i'm saying is that dumb slaves didn't make 0.94

01:05:56.600 it and that's why even in america black americans here are almost a full standard deviation per 0.97

01:06:06.400 capita above the iq of many african nations and and it's like how do i account for that and for

01:06:13.460 me it's it's not just a one-size-fits-all i would say it's it's probably a combination of two or

01:06:17.800 three different elements one is um america is is a different climate a different geography than

01:06:24.400 living right next to the equator in africa sub-saharan africa two um because we have been

01:06:31.300 a christian nation um and so catechesis and spiritual formation and three because of the

01:06:36.740 harsh conditions of slavery and abuses of slavery i don't think that slavery was inherently immoral

01:06:42.340 i do believe that the transatlantic slave trade was immoral um right because it included man

01:06:49.140 stealing which the bible forbids um but with those harsh conditions um this the slaves that

01:06:55.100 actually procreated and had descendants were ones that had a little bit more impulse control

01:07:00.360 who were not quite as rebellious towards their masters

01:07:03.940 and who were able to make this great voyage

01:07:06.100 on ships in harsh conditions

01:07:08.120 and intellect probably played a role in that.

01:07:11.600 And so my point is in terms of,

01:07:14.020 if we're talking about characteristics like IQ,

01:07:15.980 and that's only one, but it's a significant one,

01:07:18.760 I think that how do I account for disparities

01:07:23.560 in IQ among different peoples?

01:07:25.360 As a Christian, I'm gonna say,

01:07:26.800 one, the gospel plays a role in that. Because religion speaks to biological effects and

01:07:36.860 genetics, right? Every major world religion has dietary restrictions, who you can marry, 0.87

01:07:42.760 somebody who's, you can't marry your mom, your sister, but you also can't marry someone who's

01:07:47.860 too distantly related, capital punishment for capital crimes, right? All over the Old Testament

01:07:54.520 and his line shall be cut off from Israel.

01:07:57.140 And if anyone does this obscene thing,

01:07:59.860 his line shall be cut off from Israel

01:08:01.820 because of the punishment. 0.99

01:08:02.880 He doesn't get to procreate and have posterity.

01:08:05.400 And so through capital punishment,

01:08:07.860 through dietary restrictions,

01:08:09.260 through regulations for marriage,

01:08:11.320 through all these different things,

01:08:12.520 every major, not just Christianity,

01:08:14.200 but Hinduism and Islam and all these things,

01:08:16.700 like Somalia. 0.99

01:08:17.840 One of the reasons why the IQ average,

01:08:20.380 just speaking in generalities,

01:08:21.900 is so low in Somalia

01:08:23.160 is because they've been inbreeding for centuries and that doesn't really help you know so it doesn't 1.00

01:08:29.100 so there's all these different things and so we probably shouldn't bring 500 000 of them here

01:08:33.280 you know but like there's all these different factors so all i only bring that up to go back

01:08:37.580 to your comment about ethiopia being um distinctly christian for a long period of time which i would

01:08:42.480 say yes and amen that's true but um there also is uh climate geography uh these kinds of things

01:08:49.680 and that too plays a role so in the case of europeans christianity coupled with settling

01:08:56.180 coastlands and northern regions with harsh winters and having to face off indigenous peoples you know

01:09:02.760 with you know as we're conquesting and like that also shapes a people in its its characteristics

01:09:08.660 and even biological genetic characteristics of iq and and so it's just it's not a one-size-fits-all

01:09:15.020 So I want to give as much credit to the gospel, the Christian religion, Christendom, the Lord, as a Christian pastor, as possible.

01:09:23.620 But even I, as a Christian pastor, am able to recognize that I'm going to attribute Christendom as one of the biggest factors for why my people are great.

01:09:34.160 I think my people are great.

01:09:35.840 But I'm also going to acknowledge that it's not the only factor

01:09:39.780 and why we could have two longstanding Christian peoples

01:09:44.020 like Ethiopia and Europe and still see,

01:09:48.660 but wait a second, they both had Christianity

01:09:50.380 for a long period of time,

01:09:51.620 and yet there are still distinctions and disparities,

01:09:54.140 and so I'm able to recognize other factors.

01:09:56.600 And nobody seriously believes that Somalis being important,

01:10:00.260 the people that want to put Somalis in the United States, 0.97

01:10:02.820 they're doing so as a weapon of change. 0.99

01:10:04.600 They don't actually believe that these people will assimilate because they don't even believe that there's anything to assimilate to.

01:10:11.580 And the same thing applies to a lot of these groups they're shoving in the country.

01:10:14.340 It's a means of revenge.

01:10:15.960 It's a means of ethnic division. 0.76

01:10:17.420 And also they just want to translate the entirety of the country into some big tax farm that they could just hope to get under the supply chain of.

01:10:29.400 And we can believe in a common good.

01:10:33.920 you know, I believe in human rights, you know, within reason, of course, but that I don't believe

01:10:38.780 these other groups have a right to live next to me. I don't believe that they have a right to be

01:10:44.200 citizens. I don't believe they have a right to the institutions made by my forebears. I think that's

01:10:49.800 something which is a privilege, you know, and I even, you know, birthright citizenship was a huge

01:10:54.640 thing recently with the Supreme Court, and hopefully they'll come to another different

01:10:58.620 decision before like they did with Roe v. Wade. We probably need to get rid of, for that to happen,

01:11:03.920 probably need to get rid of some of the women we can work on that on the supreme court i'll put it 1.00

01:11:08.940 on the list um but you know the you know in a country where otherwise everything is fine it 1.00

01:11:15.820 would make sense that you're born in this country and you are a citizen of it right um however with

01:11:21.440 so much else wrong with so much else damaged with so much else globalized internationalized where

01:11:28.040 the country has become you know quote a squalid arena right where the whole world is shoved

01:11:33.320 together, and how can you possibly hope to have any type of brotherly love or kindred spirit among

01:11:38.280 anybody? It's a recreation of the Tower of Babel. Very similar, yes. Which the Lord hated. And there's 0.90

01:11:42.660 a lot of the hubris going on, too, that we need to have a new era of American politics where we

01:11:48.820 start making the definition of what an American is much more stringent. Yes. And we need to look

01:11:53.100 in the authorial intent, and we need to look at natural law as well and say, hey, you know, whether

01:11:57.780 or not the founder said this or whether we can find an exact quote for that, let's look at the

01:12:01.480 history of nations you know if you read the federalist papers you know that's what they were

01:12:04.940 doing we don't just have to look back at the founders we can also look back at the history

01:12:08.720 like they did and you know they saw what happens when you shove too many two distinct people under

01:12:13.960 the same government it can't represent them and i mean that's the goal of government i mean at least

01:12:18.660 my opinion on the goal of good government is to be representative is to take care of its people

01:12:23.620 right salus populi supremo lex esto the well-being of the people shall be the supreme law and that's 0.99

01:12:29.680 not what we that you can't have that in this type of multiracial empire because there's so many

01:12:34.360 competing interests and the government is so vast and bloated that it just becomes a matter of who

01:12:40.360 can get close enough to the reins of power to start funneling resources to their own people

01:12:45.180 and everybody's in it for themselves and even as an american i believe you know we're the rightful

01:12:50.920 heirs of this continent you know things are so divided that i can't even say that oh i will i

01:12:56.900 want the best for everybody, everybody who lives in the United States, because my interest in just

01:13:02.760 restoring what I believe is rightful will come at the natural expense of the people who are taking

01:13:07.280 advantage of it, who are exploiting it. And this is a nationalist process. And, you know, I think

01:13:14.840 the Pope has come out a number of times where, and I know there's a lot of, you know, there's a lot

01:13:20.100 of interesting opinions about, you know, the Catholics and the Protestant divide and everything

01:13:23.360 like that i happily represent and work with both but um i do think it's politically i work with

01:13:29.320 both yes because i can think in categories i can walk and chew gum at the same time so in my local

01:13:33.920 church in that sphere yes we don't have catholics that we're going to ordain as officers of the

01:13:39.240 church sure in the realm of culture and politics i'm partnering with catholics all the time because

01:13:44.060 our interests overlap yeah you know but you you hear a lot about you know dignity right and i and

01:13:48.940 i believe in human dignity right now perhaps i don't believe that everybody has the same amount

01:13:53.340 of essential dignity you know maybe certain people are born with more or less but you know

01:13:57.720 you need to be able to kind of cross the threshold that a lot of things need to be changed a lot of

01:14:04.180 things and a lot of people are going to be upset and you know i want to keep things as happy as

01:14:09.200 possible i want to maintain law and order right but there's no way i seriously believe you can

01:14:14.040 overhaul the country without stepping on a few toes here and there you know yeah no you're right

01:14:19.640 explain real quick dignity so it sounds like you're saying everybody has it everybody has

01:14:27.540 human dignity but there would be a sliding scale I think I know what you mean not have some

01:14:32.580 respectful pushback but let me give you a chance to clarify that so you know and I'm speaking and

01:14:39.260 I'm trying to reach out to the Christian lens of things where you know everybody has a soul

01:14:43.980 I can say that with confidence. And everybody has a right, you know, I believe there are human rights, which extends to, you know, you do not deserve to be tortured. You do not deserve to be punished or killed for something which you didn't do. And being born a certain way is not something which you consciously did. So I think those are fine. Those are accepted and nobody deserves to be punished for those things.

01:15:05.720 However, even if a foreigner was born into my country, right,

01:15:09.600 your citizenship is a privilege. 0.91

01:15:12.100 Your existence here is a privilege.

01:15:14.100 And I believe nature's law, which is the law of nations,

01:15:17.860 the law of homogeneity, the law that distinct people.

01:15:20.820 Nature's law is also the law of God.

01:15:22.760 Absolutely.

01:15:24.320 But I do believe that these laws that are larger than us,

01:15:28.460 you don't get away with breaking them, right?

01:15:30.120 The law of God or the law of nature are very different than the laws of man

01:15:33.360 Because you can pull one over on man, but God in nature, it's much more difficult, or so I hear.

01:15:40.580 So the matter is a lot of these people are in violations of natural law, and that's not always their decision.

01:15:47.940 And I think we need to have a realization where we can draw certain distinctions there.

01:15:52.820 Okay.

01:15:53.320 Yeah, so I would say in terms of innate dignity, human dignity, I would say there's two senses in which we're equal, but only two.

01:16:03.360 because i really do think that one of the biggest modern enemies of the west is liberalism and

01:16:10.260 liberalism has as if that's the car the engine of that car is egalitarianism and so i i hate

01:16:17.620 egalitarianism i hate it as it pertains to uh the sexes i hate feminism um i i believe in

01:16:25.760 patriarchy i hate racial egalitarianism because it lies to people not because i hate certain races 0.87

01:16:31.040 but because it's simply a lie. I hate lies. God is not a man that he should lie. The book of James 0.58

01:16:36.700 speaks of that. God is immutable. He is unchanging. You know, the scripture says that in him is no

01:16:45.080 shadow or variation or changing at all. God is light and truth and God cannot lie. And egalitarianism

01:16:53.880 is constantly lying to us. And so I despise that. There is a sense in which I believe all

01:17:00.760 mankind is equal two senses one in the sight of god the eternal sense i believe that all people

01:17:07.700 have an innate human dignity before god and i believe that all people who are citizens of a

01:17:15.920 particular country should have equal rights under the law and that's about it other than that

01:17:21.780 equality is a myth it's just a myth it's not that i i don't it's it's not a preference it's not that

01:17:27.420 i like equality or dislike it it's just not true right right like i like purple horses as a concept

01:17:33.560 but they're just but there aren't any you know they're just not real and so for me um because

01:17:39.520 of the imago dei made in the image of god in that eternal sense i believe all peoples are equal in

01:17:44.640 the sight of god as human beings um with innate dignity that said i believe that because of the

01:17:51.700 curse of sin that has affected all mankind, yellow, red, yellow, black, white. I believe all

01:17:59.060 mankind, the image of God, a vestige remains. It's not utterly lost for any people. But the image of

01:18:06.420 God through sin has been tarnished for all people. And this is a difficult conversation that people

01:18:11.720 don't like. But even within Christian theology, Aquinas argued this, other church fathers argued

01:18:17.340 that for all people the image of God is tarnished and for all people the image of God a vestige

01:18:23.420 remains but in its tarnishing it has not been equally degraded in all people and we can look

01:18:30.460 at certain people and say and not even in a fatalistic racial determinism standpoint but

01:18:38.000 we can say for this particular people because of their particular actions and choices over

01:18:42.140 subsequent generations for centuries the image of god which still remains intact has been further

01:18:48.840 degraded they have defaced the image of god within themselves to a greater degree than another

01:18:55.440 particular people and and i would like to root a lot of that in fidelity to christ i think that

01:19:02.080 um that because of 1500 years of christendom that uh the image of god which i believe is

01:19:08.380 actively and presently being defaced by europeans among their own people was sustained and upheld

01:19:15.940 and elevated longer and more thoroughly because of being christian nations for so long whereas

01:19:23.980 other pagan nations that have never been christianized you know or or much more recently

01:19:31.240 christianized there there could be a further defacing of that image and yet the vestige of

01:19:38.780 the image of god remains still intact and present in all people and so that's the way i would

01:19:44.260 articulate dignity human dignity is equal on the side of god in one given nation should be equal

01:19:50.820 under the law outside of that in temporal categories some peoples have defaced so there

01:19:58.460 for instance, there's one white family in America that has been inbreeding for generations at this

01:20:07.520 point and can now only communicate in cliques with one another. And I would say the image of 0.85

01:20:13.580 God for this white family has been further defaced. Does that mean they're subhuman? No, 0.63

01:20:19.880 they're still human. An image, a vestige of the image of God still remains. And yet I would look

01:20:24.940 at them, and I would look at George Washington, and I'd say one of these things is not like the

01:20:29.700 other. Absolutely. So would you agree with that? Does that articulate your view? No, I would say

01:20:34.580 that makes sense. And when you're talking about, and as a nationalist, and I believe you are a

01:20:39.180 Christian nationalist, but a nationalist nonetheless, is we need to be able to view

01:20:43.580 people as groups. We need to be able to understand that these distinctions exist. And there are

01:20:49.600 concepts of equality. And I do agree that there are those in certain cases. I even think equality

01:20:54.860 under the law makes a lot of sense and it works really well for citizens for citizens within a

01:20:59.240 certain scope can it be practiced before things get really impractical you know a rich man and

01:21:03.560 a poor man who commit the same crime should both face the same jury etc etc but you know you cannot

01:21:09.720 have a government which refuses basic realities right a government that ceases to recognize race

01:21:15.840 is no more practical than a government that ceases to recognize gravity you know you you can do it

01:21:20.800 you can try to write laws saying it won't happen but it's not going to change the world it's not

01:21:24.820 going to change natural laws and every decision subsequently that you make on that false idea

01:21:30.680 will create more dysfunction will create more chaos and the worst part about it is a lot of

01:21:36.760 these politicians the people making these laws they don't actually believe it right but when

01:21:40.520 they when they're creating these institutions with this in mind plenty of people do i've talked

01:21:44.980 to people in the trump administration hiya right they're all race realist that's good they just

01:21:52.600 don't think that it will ever work so they all these guys are hiding their power levels i'm not

01:21:58.280 i just what i think is what i say you know so it's like um do you think that jews should be put on a

01:22:03.740 train and like no i actually don't think that privately or publicly uh do you think race is

01:22:07.860 real yes i do think that privately and you know what there's no train lines that go all the way

01:22:11.700 to israel right exactly yeah so so like what i what i say is what i think in the case of politicians

01:22:17.880 and i'm not even saying this inherently immoral i think that politicians that's probably one of

01:22:22.020 the unique professions where you kind of do need to hide your power levels a little bit there's

01:22:27.180 actually some prudence there and some practical reasons why but my point is just to uh agree with

01:22:32.520 you that um our politicians know that you cannot deny reality just like you can't deny gravity 1.00

01:22:39.600 um so i actually don't think that it's all of them are just blundering idiots and ignorant 0.99

01:22:45.420 i hope not i think that they're actively deceptive i think they know and they're just 0.98

01:22:50.760 just thinking that maybe we can somehow go against the grain you know and i've said this

01:22:56.000 before i said if everybody who thought like a nationalist acted like one we'd have our country

01:23:01.040 back you know by tomorrow morning and you know i'm not saying that some of the people in the

01:23:05.620 administration or people that you've spoken to i believe there is is a time for prudence i do

01:23:11.080 believe there is a time for you know implementing things slowly because slow progress can be very

01:23:16.860 steady and can stay but at the same time you know in this it's the same thing with doxing you know

01:23:22.680 now if they doxed everybody then well we'd win because you just realize how many millions of us

01:23:27.680 there are and there'd be nothing less to left to lose and nothing left to reveal but you get into

01:23:31.780 a situation you know kind of like how you talk to the politicians that they never stop campaigning

01:23:36.200 you get into a situation where everybody knows it but we're not allowed to say it and then maybe we

01:23:41.480 just keep and we we can only manifest this very superficial change and you know like i said i'm

01:23:46.700 sure these people that you've spoken to, they're probably doing some very good things. But, you

01:23:51.020 know, me, in my job, in my role as a nationalist, I'm something of an agitator. I'm something,

01:23:57.520 you know, when we do the demonstrations, and we're getting all the way back to the 4th of July

01:24:00.620 demonstration, these are spectacles. You know, what I'm doing is I know that I'm going to be

01:24:07.420 the head of a news cycle, and I can prepare for that. A lot of people don't get that chance.

01:24:11.500 I know that I'm going to create a news cycle, a spectacle that's going to agitate people. It's

01:24:15.660 going to inspire them it's going to enrage some right but it's going to kick up a bunch of dust

01:24:20.020 in the water right that's the goal because i want big change i want lots of malleability to ideas

01:24:26.900 and when you see people who are confused or shocked or whatever they are in a state of flux

01:24:31.020 which is great because that's where i want them i want people who are unsettled and ready to have

01:24:36.080 new ideas and you know i do think that there is something to say about you know like you said just

01:24:43.680 the total integrity because if everybody and i don't want people to get doxed i protect members

01:24:48.480 you know we could talk about the you know the tactics and how important that is for our members

01:24:52.160 to have livelihoods and stations of importance that that are worthwhile because it's a big thing

01:24:56.880 that we do but you know when it comes to there's so many people in power and there's so many people

01:25:02.740 who are even close to power who have the right ideas and one by one they can stop things these

01:25:10.460 superficial changes they may be enough in some cases but i don't think they'll be enough in the

01:25:16.440 aggregate but i believe you know which is what i represent a much more bold nationalist vector

01:25:25.260 coming to the process of change and in in that you know we were talking a bit about all the things

01:25:30.440 that we do uh there's no there's no tactics you know that i'm writing off besides like violence

01:25:35.160 and chaos and things which are unproductive and dangerous you know i believe in a full scope of

01:25:41.220 change a full scope of tactics everything from conventional politics to community building etc

01:25:45.060 you know and but we need to have the unifying and agreeably radical idea of how far the country

01:25:54.400 needs to be changed and reached right yeah so you know at the risk of oversimplification i would say

01:26:00.400 one of the distinctions between us, Christian nationals, white nationalists, my ideal America

01:26:05.280 would be all Christian, mostly white. And I think you would say all white, mostly Christian. Is that 0.58

01:26:11.000 a fair? I would say that's fine. I would say I could accept that. I do believe that Christianity

01:26:17.440 and especially, you know, there are denominations and there's experiences of Christianity, which

01:26:21.760 are unique to this country, unique to this people. And I do believe that is a part of our story. That

01:26:26.780 is a part of our heritage. And, you know, if you asked me if I would be happy with getting rid of

01:26:31.000 that, then no, absolutely not. I do think that is part of our identity and part of our unique

01:26:35.480 experience, which makes us unlike any other nation. You know, and I wouldn't mind the country

01:26:43.040 being all Christian at all, you know. For me, faith is, you know, a personal matter, at least

01:26:48.980 for me as an individual. But on the aggregate, you know, I am concerned with civic virtues. And I do

01:26:54.820 believe that christianity has a great amount to offer in that respect but at the same time you

01:27:00.280 know and you're talking about you know you've spoken to some pagans and it is a more modern

01:27:03.080 thing you know i've talked to them in the organization because you know i i go around

01:27:07.280 the organization to members of various faiths and sometimes i ask very blunt questions because it's

01:27:11.700 my job to represent you it's my job to make sure i'm making decisions and statements with you in

01:27:15.820 mind um and you know i ask some of the pagans and i say okay so realistically if your church

01:27:21.820 or denomination or what have you, was a bit more realistic on matters of race and distinction.

01:27:28.860 You know, do you think you would be where you are today?

01:27:31.380 And that's not to say that they don't genuinely believe what they believe now.

01:27:34.480 Many of them do.

01:27:36.020 But usually the answer for many people is no.

01:27:38.840 For many, it's a reaction. 0.94

01:27:41.520 Yes, it's the key failure of a lot of these Christian institutions to become so globalized.

01:27:45.400 And I believe you can totally recognize the almost hostility of some modern Christian institutions while separating that from the core theology.

01:27:55.840 From historic Christianity.

01:27:56.760 Because I want to make a charitable judgment there.

01:27:59.380 But at the same time, I heard a story about some charity that would sooner shut down their efforts, a Christian charity that would sooner shut down their efforts than deliver them to the Boer refugees from South Africa.

01:28:10.080 Wow.

01:28:10.500 It's like, that is so insane.

01:28:12.260 That cannot be the result of anything other than hate.

01:28:14.520 No, you're right. 0.51

01:28:14.900 i remember that i remember that story it's like hey you help refugees there's 59 white refugees

01:28:22.100 for the first time ever yeah and you all you have to do is help them and then you can keep helping

01:28:27.400 the millions and millions of brown refugees nope can't do it shut down like christian and it's like 0.99

01:28:33.460 and that's not even like um that's not even we're christian and we're not willing to have 0.96

01:28:38.680 you know recognize you know um nationhood as being blood and soil or whatever that's uh just helping

01:28:44.840 people. We actually just hate white people. We hate them. And I'm sure you're still happy to 0.99

01:28:50.960 say that, yes, you blame the people who walk away from the church for these things. But at least

01:28:54.980 it's, to me, I understand. And I understand in a lot of ways. And I've even heard stories of men

01:29:01.100 who have been, I don't believe for smaller churches, it's not excommunicated, but essentially

01:29:05.200 ousted. They are no longer welcome in the churches that they may have grown up around.

01:29:09.340 And I think as we reclaim our institutions, I do think the churches and these other institutions are a part of it.

01:29:18.420 And we are going to be going through the process of conquest and reclamation in many areas at once.

01:29:24.320 So just to answer your question, I want my country to be American.

01:29:30.920 And I do understand that Christianity is a part of America.

01:29:34.940 A pretty big part.

01:29:36.420 A very big part.

01:29:37.080 but at the same time do I understand that it's not absolutely everything and there are elements

01:29:42.000 of our culture and and I do think you know I don't want to I don't want a theocracy you know

01:29:47.100 I do believe see I do we'll talk about that but go ahead we can yeah um you know I do believe that

01:29:52.480 the government should not have an official religion we talked about this and I I'm fine

01:29:56.820 with state churches I suppose I don't know how how close we are to that reality I don't think

01:30:01.400 it's practical but constitutionally it actually would be permissible yeah I don't know if I would

01:30:05.260 oppose it legislatively, but I do believe that there is something to be said about it. Once you

01:30:11.580 cross a certain threshold, do you think heresy should be illegal? I do. So real quick, I'll make

01:30:19.260 it short. Theocracy versus ecclesiocracy. I do not want a church-run state. I don't want any church,

01:30:25.300 be it Protestant, Catholic, Eastern Orthodox. I really don't. Because it's too worldly and it

01:30:30.280 diminishes them well just because i do actually believe in the separation of church and state in

01:30:36.040 terms of spheres of power and and and theologically from a historic christian perspective um this would

01:30:41.920 be the doctrine of two kingdoms and so it goes back to natural versus eternal and spiritual you

01:30:47.100 know and that um there is the common kingdom and then there's the kingdom of grace like in the

01:30:52.420 church um i'm trying not to be as a pastor on sunday i'm trying not to be overtly you know or

01:30:58.980 over-the-top political it's word and sacrament um it's heavenly right when we gather as a

01:31:05.140 congregation on the lord's day for worship it's worship and it's and it's heavenly it's uh eternal

01:31:12.120 it's the spiritual um monday through saturday though um it's very it's political it's cultural

01:31:19.720 it's it's natural it's temporal but here's the thing um in both instances joel webin monday

01:31:25.680 through saturday and joel webbin as a minister behind the pulpit on sunday is um in both instances

01:31:31.420 i'm still a christian so so it's not like i'm a christian on sunday and then i'm not a christian

01:31:35.820 no i'm a christian political and cultural commentator six days a week and then i'm a

01:31:40.900 christian pastor one day a week um so when i say i'm for theocracy uh the way that i would

01:31:47.220 articulate that simply is i would say um i do not i i want a separation of church and state

01:31:53.540 i do not want a separation of christ and state so when i think theocracy theos god um i actually do

01:32:00.340 want a god above the state because i i don't believe it's whether but which um if there's

01:32:05.360 not a god above the state then the state becomes god and i think we've seen a lot of that i don't

01:32:10.420 like that or if the state itself does not become god um then um then it's going to be some other

01:32:18.420 deity and then it's simply a matter is it going to be the jewish god the islamic god the hindu

01:32:22.780 god or the christian god so i i the reason why i say i'm pro theocracy is because i don't believe

01:32:28.760 it's a matter of whether but which i think it's inevitable that there's going to be some kind of

01:32:33.560 religious um ethos that the government can't help but embody and so it's either going to be statism

01:32:41.700 but but with very clear religious tenets it's it's it's the religion of statism that is very

01:32:49.320 agnostic or atheist it's it's not neutrality religious neutrality is a myth um and so i i

01:32:56.980 believe that you're going to have a theocracy either um statism the state is god or it's going

01:33:03.260 to be um islamic theocracy or hindu theocracy or what we've had jewish theocracy or it's going to

01:33:09.860 be a christian theocracy but not ecclesiocracy so i don't want the episcopal church at a national

01:33:15.680 level being the state national religion that it so does that distinction no and i understand what

01:33:22.420 you're saying and i certainly don't believe that the state is a supernatural or almighty you know

01:33:27.160 i don't think it should fill the role of the almighty in any in any context whatever your

01:33:31.360 religious beliefs are um you know anybody who it's lording over the state is a it's made of people

01:33:36.340 right it's made of people and it's man absolutely um i do think there is something to be said about

01:33:41.800 And I do think the concept of like a civic religion, you know, something which is not Christian but instead born out of the state, I do think that in any literal concept would be impractical and probably not a good idea.

01:33:56.760 I do think religious neutrality.

01:33:59.820 Now, I, you know, you say religious neutrality is a myth.

01:34:01.960 I do my best to be religiously neutral within the scope.

01:34:04.280 Well, I can tell you're doing your best.

01:34:05.700 I am, yes.

01:34:06.720 i you know i would say so i'm presuppositionalist and a lot of my thinking okay i would just say

01:34:12.400 that um that uh i think you're actually doing pretty well but i think um what you're doing

01:34:19.540 is holding that beach ball under the surface of the water like that it that it's um it's unnatural

01:34:26.680 that um the the neutrality religious neutrality that you are um behaving under and and to your

01:34:35.160 credit somewhat well is still um it has to be manufactured that it's not natural that you have

01:34:41.640 to work at that because i think every person created in the image of god actually does have

01:34:46.940 um by by default religious beliefs about the world its existence its origin well religion

01:34:54.620 yes um and it's just the matter that i i see that if you take one step in certain directions and i

01:35:03.020 believe patriot front is a very tenable position right because we can talk about the state we can

01:35:08.120 talk about the theories of state but in in i do govern men presently right i have to make rules

01:35:14.020 that men must be governed they do they're not all angels unfortunately um and i believe we have a

01:35:19.380 very tenable position that we limit the scope of religious acceptance to our culture to our to our

01:35:25.980 racial collective right i think i was reading as i was researching historic european religions

01:35:32.620 I may have used that phrase, I'm sure.

01:35:35.200 When I read it, it applies.

01:35:36.560 It does.

01:35:37.240 And when I read it, though, I chuckled to myself because I immediately was like, I know what he means there.

01:35:41.480 Yeah.

01:35:41.800 He means Christianity and a little bit of thought. 0.87

01:35:43.700 Well, yes.

01:35:44.880 And I do think that, you know, the position we're in is tenable.

01:35:48.920 And I believe if you made it any smaller, you could have a bit of a runaway effect because I do see the various Christian denominations that have arguments against one another.

01:35:58.200 and i do worry that in our specific case if we made it any smaller if we kicked out you know

01:36:04.600 one of the groups and okay well now you're not allowed to be i hear you you're worried about a

01:36:08.760 religious all the way down to only episcopalians for sure you're worried about a religious war

01:36:13.900 um distracting us and even defeating us uh to where uh a a under the surface racial war

01:36:22.740 one shots all of our people i i get it like so for me um i have that mentality with catholics

01:36:29.820 okay so like i want to have vicious heated arguments with catholics and i see that as a

01:36:38.060 luxury for winning okay you have to win first right and then you can have your intramural

01:36:43.180 debates all day long like yes like the intramural debates are the luxury of times of peace one of

01:36:50.520 the reasons why throughout christendom you had so many theological distinctions and sharp religious

01:36:56.220 disagreements is because um they were not under civilizational duress yes that's why they could

01:37:03.520 afford the religious factions yes because they didn't have all the racial and civilizational

01:37:08.760 ones you know and i'll say i don't think there's a real practical reality in which you know the

01:37:16.060 Norse paganism and that it totally supersedes Christianity. I'm sure some people will be a

01:37:21.780 little bit unhappy for me to say that. You're just speaking chronologically. Yes. I don't think

01:37:26.900 that's realistic, but I do think there's an element to it that it obviously it was around

01:37:32.480 for a very long time. Yes. And I do think even in the last several thousand years, it has obviously

01:37:38.060 been far reduced, but I do think there is a certain cultural thread, which whether it's

01:37:45.160 explicitly religious, whether it's just based in certain traditions, whether it's based in just

01:37:49.960 myths and stories, I do think it's always going to be with our people. Our pre-Christian history,

01:37:58.140 I do think, will always be with us in some way, in some manner of experience and memory. And

01:38:04.720 even if you have a country which is entirely Christian, which again, I don't oppose, 0.74

01:38:08.860 I do think there's still something to be said about the full scope of our history. You know,

01:38:12.640 we're talking about theodore roosevelt right he saw you know the uh he saw the conquest of america

01:38:17.840 as a continuation of these very ancient conquests of europe and i think you know insofar as the

01:38:22.940 narrative of our people you know extends from pre-christian to christian i do think that there's

01:38:29.240 other narratives and stories and cultural elements that don't necessarily need to be explicitly

01:38:34.000 religious and i actually find in my experience a lot of the pagans that i talked to you know i

01:38:38.380 would say even say the pagans even have their denominations which of course i respect um but

01:38:42.660 you know you kind of have the agnostic pagans right which they believe that these stories are

01:38:48.140 perhaps it's a it's a form of blood memory it's a myth that's that's brought down because it's a

01:38:52.940 form of like social source it's a blood memory but you know these stories it's a source of a it's

01:38:58.820 almost like you mentioned kind of social eugenics that these these are lessons to fortify our

01:39:03.780 society against common issues that people will face and but perhaps there's not literally a man

01:39:11.000 who could split a mountain with a hammer right right and i find that i i do think that is a very

01:39:17.880 that has staying power in terms of mythology i think you're right and just for the record

01:39:22.480 um it's not actually that i would go against greco-roman um myths and religious aspects i

01:39:30.320 would go against them um but it's not that i would go against them from the angle of uh that

01:39:36.120 they're all uh make-believe or that they're not real yeah um i actually ironically i see my

01:39:43.120 christianity and historic christianity as the explanatory power for the greeks and the romans

01:39:50.900 and their pagan religion that proceeded before christianity took root so i actually um so i am

01:39:56.840 not of the persuasion that uh that thor is make-believe or that poseidon is make-believe

01:40:01.500 i actually think that the christian religious text the bible uh speaks of fallen angels

01:40:08.580 that saw the daughters of men genesis chapter chapter six and found them to be lovely and took

01:40:14.960 them as wives and created so like i think of hercules and i think uh hercules was a demigod

01:40:20.880 gregor roman for me as a christian i don't say uh that's make-believe in a story i say

01:40:25.480 no hercules was probably a real uh historical figure of antiquity um he wasn't a demigod he

01:40:31.940 was a nephilim so i so i actually understand um so so i just want to make that clear that um

01:40:37.680 as a christian one of the things i love about my faith is that um on the one hand it doesn't

01:40:43.580 eradicate nature we don't over spiritualize on the other hand though the world is not just stuff

01:40:48.420 we're not materialist mere materialist yes um but there is a spiritual um element to to the cosmos

01:40:56.740 in the world that god made angels are real and angels descending to earth and fallen angels and

01:41:02.300 taking the daughters of men and marrying and like so when i think of like a god of the sea

01:41:06.560 i think that's probably real and that that god of the sea that some called him poseidon others

01:41:12.680 called him Neptune. But this God of the sea was probably a fallen angel that had a regional

01:41:19.400 jurisdiction. So the Bible speaks of princes and principalities. Principality would be the region.

01:41:26.640 Even in the book of Daniel, an angel comes and visits Daniel and says, I'm sorry that I'm late. 0.97

01:41:32.240 I got held up because the prince of Persia. And it's very clear he's not talking about a civil

01:41:37.060 human king but that above this human king there was a spiritual entity that was relegated to a

01:41:43.240 geographic region namely persia that was ruling and reigning this angel to get to daniel to deliver

01:41:48.420 a message from the lord had to do spiritual warfare and battle with this this spiritual

01:41:53.040 entity the prince of persia before he could arrive so the idea that um that lucifer in

01:41:59.260 rebelling against god and a third of the angels with him were and and the good book literally

01:42:04.300 says, but woe to you, O earth, for the devil has been cast down to you. So these fallen angels

01:42:09.660 didn't just go into the 17th dimension or evaporate into the ether, but actually fell to the world

01:42:16.040 and had real power, right? Satan is referred to in the scripture as the prince of the air,

01:42:22.000 right? The power of this age. And so the idea that Satan and some of his specific minions who

01:42:28.540 followed him would have regional powers over this mountain range or this ocean. So I would look at

01:42:35.240 Poseidon and I would say, yeah, the Greeks and the Romans were recognizing a real spiritual entity

01:42:41.860 that had real tangible, who could actually, because even Jesus, when he's going to certain

01:42:46.760 regions throughout Israel in his earthly ministry, it says there was a great storm that had never

01:42:51.920 like that had never been before seen and and jesus speaks to the waves and there's and so for me i

01:42:58.580 think i think that was actually demons i don't think it was just a storm i think that there

01:43:02.760 was some demonic entity that was stirring up the wind and the waves um and and causing them to try

01:43:09.780 to capsize the boat that jesus and disciples were on but jesus who has a greater power over poseidon

01:43:16.480 so i when i think of pagans one of the reasons i i love the pagans is um i'm like man i just want

01:43:22.040 you to be true to your heritage and do the most historical thing that pagans do convert to

01:43:28.300 christianity i've heard that one before yeah no no and you know this is all great and i and i do

01:43:34.700 think you know and and i'll give you credit i have spoken about theology today more and religion

01:43:39.200 today more than i perhaps have in the last right several months i can't help myself i'm sorry no

01:43:43.520 No, no. Well, I mean, I'm speaking to a pastor. I totally expected religion to come up. Don't worry.

01:43:48.380 And I do think it's something that I am very, you know, in the kind of brass tacks tactical of organizing guys.

01:43:56.520 I am very much in the day to day. I am very much in the matter of I administrate the organization.

01:44:02.320 Right. You know, I am not merely a spokesman. But, you know, when I when I am not speaking in these interviews and representing the organization to everybody outside, I'm representing the organization to its own men.

01:44:12.220 And you're a mediator.

01:44:13.340 Absolutely. I have to be a mediator between us and the rest of the world. And I have to mediate

01:44:16.580 internal conflict. And I have to make rules and I have to make decisions and I have to do a great

01:44:20.720 number of things. And I have to do that in the church as a pastor. There's this family and this

01:44:25.380 family have a conflict and I have to step in. Let's get along. Yes, absolutely. And so, you know,

01:44:30.740 on some of these topics, I'll admit, you know, you are far more informed than I am. And, you know,

01:44:35.280 and I, because of my neutrality, which you might say is untenable. I think it's a feigned neutrality,

01:44:41.020 But I think you're feigning it well.

01:44:43.040 Well, very good.

01:44:44.280 But I will say that I find these thoughts very fascinating,

01:44:49.660 and I do believe that there's something to be gained from a great many of these things.

01:44:54.780 And I do think there's many men of various Christian sensibilities

01:45:01.020 who may disagree on other matters,

01:45:02.820 but I am happy to see them united in the columns

01:45:07.180 that we can put into the great American cities,

01:45:09.560 And I am happy to see them, you know, hand in hand working together with our efforts, whether that's disaster relief or whether it's political campaigning.

01:45:17.060 And, you know, we have practices in the organization where there is no division among those different groups.

01:45:22.760 And I do think, you know, if somebody is worried about this kind of religious division, that it is the work which will help to resolve it.

01:45:31.660 It is the work of reclaiming our sovereignty and achieving national salvation, which may

01:45:38.160 look different to people, right?

01:45:39.840 But I think as we go through this process, the actual labor will help us discern so much

01:45:46.840 about where our differences are and where our similarities are.

01:45:50.140 Because if there's one thing about the modern world that I feel like is very, you know,

01:45:54.340 the technological world, I should say, it's the kind of attention economy.

01:45:58.320 Everything's an algorithm.

01:45:59.220 Everything's a timeline.

01:46:00.020 and it makes people so quick to disagree because you have to come up with a new opinion or else

01:46:04.800 you're going to be behind and this need to constantly innovate on arguments and constantly

01:46:09.200 find something because nowadays the the anger and the incitement and the the upset is much more

01:46:15.500 algorithmically viable sometimes i know it's a cliche to say that but it's true no it's true

01:46:19.600 and but that's not what we need right that we need community we need stability we need virtue

01:46:25.760 and culture. And these things oftentimes are not profitable. They're not marketable. You know,

01:46:31.220 they don't do as well as live streams. Not as exciting. Not as exciting, but they're what we

01:46:35.980 need. So I think there's an element, you know, I've used the analogy that sometimes it's the

01:46:40.000 job of a shepherd to stand between his flock and where they need to be. So, you know, whenever

01:46:44.580 people say, oh, well, you know, this seems a little boring or, oh, maybe your words are a

01:46:48.540 little bit too big or, oh, maybe I don't quite get that. That's because I'm standing in between

01:46:52.060 you and where i where i want somebody to be and i think you know us i think both respectively

01:46:56.820 we're culture builders right um in in different ways but there's a lot of similarities where we

01:47:01.700 are trying to establish these cultures in the world and you know you said you you reach out

01:47:07.980 to people and work with them on a granular level in their lives and try to reshape these things

01:47:12.480 and i think more people need to be more accepting of that more people need to realize and i think

01:47:16.760 there is a lot of humility one of the one of the biggest things that i actually believe is

01:47:19.860 immensely valuable in day-to-day life about the christian virtues you know that you uphold and

01:47:26.520 that i try to practice myself in many cases is humility that you know there's somebody else is

01:47:31.500 going to come to you and he might have the right idea that you might need to set yourself aside to

01:47:35.740 agree with somebody that you might need and i even think turning the other cheek at times you know

01:47:40.440 there's there's people who say frankly terrible things about me right you know and uh and i've

01:47:45.720 been doing interviews and, and, you know, you hear all those things and, you know, there's the

01:47:49.820 practical political thing of a, well, well, I can, I can not look offended and I'll, and I'll be

01:47:55.240 better because I'll seem like I'm the better guy. But then there's the also genuine matter in my

01:47:59.340 heart that I'm just not going to let it get to me. You know, who knows who, what he believes,

01:48:03.840 who knows who told him that, you know? And I do think there's a lot to be recognized with this

01:48:08.560 kind of cultural benefit of Christianity, but there are these core virtues. And, you know,

01:48:12.340 to those who are not christian you don't need to be christian to be humble you don't need to be

01:48:16.320 christian now you might say otherwise i would disagree but go ahead but you know if i'm trying

01:48:20.560 to reach them on your behalf maybe they won't listen but i do but i do believe you um simply

01:48:26.420 by being a creature made in the image of god and through common grace which affects both the

01:48:30.920 believer and the unbeliever that yes um i think that you actually can uphold some of these virtues

01:48:38.000 like humility and these things outwardly yes um and and it make a real difference in your life

01:48:43.480 lend towards peace and prosperity because uh the scripture says god will not be mocked a man will

01:48:49.480 reap what he sows these are universal principles baked into the fabric of the world that work

01:48:54.460 whether you're a christian or not right somebody who's a non-christian but who practices integrity

01:48:58.620 in the business practices and works hard uh usually ends up being more wealthy than somebody

01:49:03.620 who's lazy you know so um so it's because god built the world that it functions right there is

01:49:09.420 seed time and harvest there is summer and winter so there's a way of observing the world even as

01:49:15.360 an unbeliever right and and being able to see and detect patterns being a noticer you know and

01:49:21.640 and working with the grain rather than against and experiencing a benefit so in that sense yes

01:49:28.640 I do believe the unbeliever can exude externally certain virtues. 0.70

01:49:33.940 The only thing I would reserve within my belief as a Christian is that on the internal,

01:49:41.000 that true humility requires, I think, the profound and deep, honest acknowledgement

01:49:48.620 that I am not my own, that I was bought with a price, and that the God of the universe made me,

01:49:55.140 that every good that I've done ultimately tracks back to him.

01:49:58.660 Every good and perfect gift falls down from the father of lights.

01:50:03.160 Romans chapter 8 says that the mind of the sinful man

01:50:05.780 is not just merely indifferent or neutral,

01:50:08.660 but hostile towards the things of God. 1.00

01:50:10.920 And so I believe the unbeliever externally can cure cancer, 0.99

01:50:15.360 can make suspension bridges, can be very virtuous externally. 0.99

01:50:21.160 But in his heart of hearts, the one thing he can never do

01:50:23.680 is that in the best of circumstances,

01:50:27.440 rather than taking all the credit for himself,

01:50:29.380 he may say, I did this by the power,

01:50:34.820 the collective spirit of humanity

01:50:36.520 and for the good of mankind, right?

01:50:39.220 One small step for man, one giant leap for mankind. 0.99

01:50:42.260 Whereas only the Christian can say 0.90

01:50:44.040 that I did this by the grace of God

01:50:47.460 and for the glory of God.

01:50:49.220 and and and so and i and for me in my mere definition of humility i would say that that

01:50:55.280 is true humility i did it by the grace of god who gave me each breath in my lungs and for the glory

01:51:01.300 not just for the good of my fellow humanity but for the glory of god um but that does not mean

01:51:08.180 that elon musk who's not a christian can't do some things that genuinely are sacrificial or

01:51:14.700 selfless and good for people so so humility of a sorts no and you know you you could very easily

01:51:20.820 say that practicing these virtues in themselves you know with your belief is on the right path

01:51:26.200 towards what you would see as a proper outcome and and i think virtue is something which is most

01:51:32.820 evident when it's pressured when it's tested that's right and you know a lot of people in

01:51:37.720 the country they're not living lives where their virtues are ever really tested so they don't

01:51:42.040 really know how virtuous they are so true and i think you know when you when we're going back to

01:51:47.000 the frontier in american history that and a lot of the people who just spend too much time online

01:51:51.680 they spend too much time talking about theory is they haven't really tested themselves they don't

01:51:56.620 really know the type of person you are and i don't think you can really know the type of person you

01:52:00.280 are anybody unless you fight for something unless you truly believe in something unless you come in

01:52:05.600 contact with the world because i believe you know hardship you know with virtue makes men who they

01:52:12.020 are you look back at some of the greatest men in our history whether that's european history the

01:52:17.000 history of christendom the history of america which are all very similar um that's true is

01:52:21.320 the men that are the greatest i find are shaped the most by hardship you know when you talk about

01:52:27.000 you know the pilgrims especially right uh over half of them died within the first winter you

01:52:31.740 know all the all these very very theodore roosevelt a man's man but he was sickly and weak

01:52:36.160 for most of his life yes and uh and he had to fight absolutely and i think nowadays we need

01:52:42.880 to press harder through these material comforts that we have because our country is you know

01:52:48.380 perhaps in a worse position than it's ever been but you can but because we're decadent yes but

01:52:53.680 you can look around and say oh well there's so many convenience stores there's there's 17 new

01:52:57.040 flavors of reese's cups you know how can i how can we be a collapsed country but you need to push

01:53:02.380 past these things you need to work harder in the past this hardship was imposed upon you right

01:53:07.460 because you'd get tuberculosis or your wagon would break down or a bear would attack you

01:53:11.500 but now i feel like it's harder to find the frontier because it's within us because it's

01:53:16.660 it's in those sort of spaces in between where you need to fight through the common culture fight

01:53:23.860 through this sort of status quo to find the frontier which is reclaiming this virtue

01:53:28.300 and that's good and i like that thomas like the frontiers within us yes absolutely from the

01:53:34.460 christian perspective it's um it's the mortification of sin it's the it's the doctrine of

01:53:39.260 sanctification that day by day i might be saved justified but day by day i have to fight against

01:53:45.580 the flesh and seek to be through this lifelong process of being sanctified further and further

01:53:51.080 conformed to the image of christ and i am quite literally internally waging war against my demons

01:53:56.680 against my proclivities that go against God's law

01:54:02.700 and my true ambitions that are holding me.

01:54:04.960 And so there's the internal frontier.

01:54:06.760 And if there is any external material frontier,

01:54:10.180 this is why I know this sounds so random,

01:54:12.300 but this is one of the reasons I actually do appreciate Elon

01:54:16.600 and the fascination of space.

01:54:18.520 Because I really do think there's something in mankind

01:54:21.000 made in the image of God that is set on exploration

01:54:24.340 and expansion and curiosity and like i know it's cliche but space the final frontier you know and

01:54:32.500 so i actually think that that is it's not enough in and of itself but as as one component among

01:54:38.380 many actually can have a um a unifying effect i think for our people that like there's there's

01:54:44.560 something else to conquer well you look back at the and i do think americans always need something

01:54:48.880 to conquer yeah you know when you look back at you know the apollo program and it's i'm not sure if

01:54:52.780 familiar but while they you know these amazing you know monuments to achievement and innovation

01:54:59.120 these the saturn five rocket i believe you know was uh was at the landing pad you know you had

01:55:03.980 these protesters all around like the civil rights protesters that were saying oh well they're sending

01:55:08.620 whitey to the moon but i don't have enough food stamps civil rights one shot at nasa like that

01:55:14.360 was it like no and i think that's that's so symbolic because you look at a country we you

01:55:19.440 know we were literally reaching the stars and i believe the moon landing's happened and me too

01:55:23.440 anybody claims otherwise matt walsh said this he's and this was my view before i heard him say it i

01:55:27.600 was i was pleased to hear him say it but he was like flat earth and we never went to the moon he's

01:55:31.580 like you you think that you discovered the conspiracy and he's like no the real conspiracy

01:55:35.480 is this flat earth is just one more sad excuse to take away the white man's achievement stop it

01:55:41.380 no it is and um you know you have a country which is reaching the stars and then we have to turn

01:55:47.500 around after this movement and realize oh actually sorry we just need infinite resources for people

01:55:53.560 who do not and i don't hate black people i don't hate of course not you know but but we need to

01:55:58.540 come to terms with certain realities that the common good of a of a i think africans have always

01:56:04.180 been you know not to get back to africans you know since we haven't talked about them in a long time

01:56:07.920 um you know they have always been something of a subject people within the country they have

01:56:13.240 always been something you know in the custody of the state and i don't think that's great for us

01:56:19.440 any more than it has been for them right and if you want to talk about a people that is inspired

01:56:24.660 and curious enough to reach out and have new discoveries new innovations to reach new frontiers

01:56:30.460 that have never been seen before i do think that we cannot do it while we are shackled you know

01:56:35.720 like i said in my independence day speech shackled to a hundred different nations that have been

01:56:39.200 brought here you know and that's not me saying that i want to do great things at their expense

01:56:44.340 i do believe america can help the world i believe we should but i think doing it with something like

01:56:49.820 usaid and doing it by being an example of a civilization to prosper alongside to use as a

01:56:58.000 reference to your own civil and political conflicts i think those are two very different things very

01:57:03.320 different and we we can't we so we can't if you had the right ideas you could say well we can't

01:57:09.640 help them while you know while we can't take care of our own house right we can't help the other

01:57:15.220 countries while we're impoverished alone the order of morris and and even so if but that's only if

01:57:20.380 you had the right ideas a lot of a lot of all this stuff a lot of all these resource expenditure a

01:57:24.520 lot of the reasons why all of these resources are being funneled to these people is because

01:57:28.240 well they got into government and they did it because you know people people other groups all

01:57:33.440 the other groups besides americans heritage americans as you may call them um care about

01:57:38.560 their own people they're nationalists for their people right and it's controversial it's so crazy

01:57:44.300 for us to be nationalists for ours because we have the power to make the change because we

01:57:49.060 because if we do it well then it messes up all their plans it stops all their exploitation

01:57:53.940 and then they have to uh they have to be more self-sufficient they'd have to do it on their

01:57:58.940 own which would be really good for them last last question i want to spend just a little we don't

01:58:03.220 have to go super long but i do want to slow down here for a moment this will be the final part of

01:58:07.860 the interview okay um in in your vision for america who could vote okay so i think you know

01:58:16.800 ideally you know when i'm asked about policy questions i know there's such a great ocean of

01:58:22.240 change that would exist between where we are now and where we would be when you know i can place my

01:58:27.340 hand on this lever right but if i had to give an idea i think the franchise should be much more

01:58:33.960 limited and you know we're talking about original authorial intent i think we should go back to that

01:58:39.660 and we should really have a conversation about what the founders really wanted to achieve when

01:58:46.180 they said that only 21 year old or older white landowning men could vote free white men of good

01:58:53.100 character yes were they just saying that because they just thought those guys were great you know

01:58:58.680 kind of a little bit they are great guys yeah absolutely but it was about investment you know

01:59:04.500 it was about that these men have standing they have made certain achievements that they have

01:59:09.460 they're literally invested in the country because you own a piece of it you know how could you not

01:59:14.320 want to say where the country goes. You literally have a piece of it in your pocket, right? And I

01:59:18.780 think the franchise needs to be rebuilt from the ground up with the idea of investment in mind,

01:59:24.840 investment and the standing to actually achieve that. And, you know, this is a difficult matter

01:59:30.220 because, you know, you look at the legislative history of voting tests and things like that,

01:59:34.400 and there's a lot of ways it could go wrong. As somebody who makes rules that govern men,

01:59:38.920 and I need to keep in mind about, you know, if I put these words in this order, somebody could try

01:59:42.700 to exploit this rule and give me this kind of headache. You know, I, I would need to keep that

01:59:46.840 in mind. And ideally, you know, we'd sit down with a bunch of constitutional scholars and legal

01:59:50.940 experts and we'd, we'd lock them in a room until they come up with a good, with a good system for

01:59:55.380 this. But the core theory is that the franchise needs to be rebuilt with the authorial intent in

02:00:01.040 mind. And is that to say that, you know, no woman could ever place a vote ever again? I don't think

02:00:06.860 so um but is it to say for me it would be but go ahead well we'll talk we'll talk about it but i

02:00:13.200 would be okay with that for the record um in case anybody supposes i'm wrong but i think it would

02:00:18.640 have to be about investment it would have to be about service it would have to be about your

02:00:22.620 intellectual capability to make the right decision because in a republic and we we were maybe we were

02:00:29.000 democracy for a single day before it turned into an oligarchy plutocracy mediocrity right um in a

02:00:35.480 a public you are not the direct you you are not directly going to the government the idea is you

02:00:42.260 take the best of you and send them to represent it's representative government because they're

02:00:46.260 supposed to be better than us which is why like for me when i think of what what is the basic

02:00:50.280 building block of a society i it's not atomistic it's molecular not atomistic the individual

02:00:56.740 molecular the family yes and so i i would have you know one representative in terms of the vote

02:01:02.400 for each household. 0.97

02:01:03.840 I believe it should be the male. 1.00

02:01:06.540 It should be the man. 0.97

02:01:08.200 So that's part of the way I would argue that.

02:01:10.300 Yeah, the household model, I think,

02:01:11.820 that's a very solid way to do it.

02:01:14.380 I think that would be a very simple and elegant solution.

02:01:17.180 I'm not exactly sure about how the full law would go.

02:01:20.320 There were provisions earlier, 0.95

02:01:21.660 but what about this particular widow? 1.00

02:01:24.160 Especially if she's white, she's wealthy, 1.00

02:01:28.080 she is governing her late husband's estate.

02:01:31.780 And so there were, you know, all these things.

02:01:34.020 And land ownership is so different now.

02:01:35.720 Correct.

02:01:36.200 And, you know, there's so many men who are, I mean, and obviously by the time we reach this thing, home ownership and these other things should be much more attainable.

02:01:42.660 There's so many men now who would totally have the right to vote, in my opinion, or they should, but would be forbidden from that because they're just renting and everybody's just renting.

02:01:52.340 And obviously there would be a lot of nuances, but I do think the idea of, and I think you look back to the history of the Plymouth colony, right?

02:01:59.820 And they originally organized it in a very horizontal manner.

02:02:03.200 It was almost – people would say it's like original socialism or something in a context.

02:02:07.780 And it didn't work because people didn't want to work on other people's farms because women didn't want to make clothes for other women's husbands, right? 0.97

02:02:15.460 And then they reworked it because the peril – it was such a dangerous situation where they were about to all starve to death or be torn apart and scalped by Indians. 0.90

02:02:23.760 And they reorganized it, and their nuclear building block for the family, their core element was the family. 0.63

02:02:29.980 Their community became – the family became the unit upon which everything was governed.

02:02:33.800 They split up land.

02:02:35.160 They split up resources.

02:02:36.220 They split everything and gave it to the families, and that created the foundation we need.

02:02:41.040 So going back to the franchise and saying, well, the founders, they wanted investment.

02:02:45.200 They wanted capability.

02:02:46.020 They wanted men who were smart enough themselves to elect even better men to be the most virtuous of it, the most gifted with foresight.

02:02:56.120 I think going back to that family model, I think is a very good idea.

02:03:01.440 Good.

02:03:02.040 Yeah, so for myself, the criteria that I've etched out is, and all this presupposes 100 million people go back.

02:03:08.080 So after mass deportations, which I understand as of now, it's not super hopeful.

02:03:13.000 It's not looking great for the home team.

02:03:14.200 But if that happened, you know, we're speaking in the realm of theory, a hundred million, uh, mass deportations. And then for those who remain, um, it would be predominantly white. It wouldn't be exclusively white. Um, but it would be, uh, Christian. It would be, uh, in terms of who has the vote, I would want Christian. I would want male. Um, I would want, um, uh, heritage. And so you would define that as white. 0.69

02:03:38.920 I would define that as a third generation American on both sides of the family or fifth

02:03:43.620 generation on one. So there's a stake in the past. Married, you wouldn't have to have children,

02:03:48.260 but marriage in general, presupposing children, that gives you a stake in the future. So marriage

02:03:52.600 for, I have a stake in the future, third generation on both sides or fifth generation on one,

02:03:58.360 that's a stake in the past. It would be no felonies. You're not a criminal. And then-

02:04:03.260 Well, we've got that today.

02:04:04.180 right yeah and and then because of bill gates owning you know half of the land and i would i

02:04:09.280 would take the land owning aspect i would say net positive taxpayer okay you're not you're not a

02:04:14.060 drain on the system like you're actually contributing um net positive taxpayer with

02:04:19.500 some exceptions carved out for veterans and things like that so and i i think you know with the land

02:04:24.160 thing a lot of people probably uh you know like bill gates we probably own too much land a lot of

02:04:28.680 a lot of too much a lot of foreigners uh and foreign businesses own too much farmland too 0.88

02:04:33.180 many factories and i think especially if you deport everybody who is here illegally or here 1.00

02:04:38.160 exploiting us with visa programs and everything i think the government should take those homes and 0.74

02:04:42.460 they should auction them off to young families for twenty dollars yeah the price of the paper

02:04:46.700 on the deed you know and the price of the ink on it and you know you would have because when

02:04:51.660 america was prosperous we had a surplus population to grow and expand you know we were a very vivacious

02:04:57.240 people and i think in this process if you can have the repatriation at scale that is needed

02:05:03.440 we would have such a prosperous prosperous future in re going across the great lands of our continent

02:05:10.220 and peopling them and i think that would be a beautiful thing and uh you know reworking the

02:05:15.440 franchise is certainly one of the things that'll have to go with that so for me it would still be

02:05:19.680 ultimately based on merit right but um if we deported a hundred million people you already 0.53

02:05:26.220 would move you know 59 percent of the country being white would move up to you know 70 75 you

02:05:31.320 know something like that and then you know for heritage blacks or heritage hispanics and and 0.67

02:05:36.480 and and asians and other non-whites that would still be in the country and be there legally and

02:05:41.460 in my scheme would have uh citizenship you still would have disproportionate it would be based on

02:05:47.980 merit and not on race but it would still have a disproportionate um effect so you know if it's

02:05:54.460 net positive taxpayer no and i think even when it's like there's a lot of you know even with

02:06:00.460 black americans that would not be able to vote disproportionately well you know i wouldn't call

02:06:05.100 them americans but i know you wouldn't but yeah um no in that there is a practicality of that

02:06:09.880 system and i do believe in enough nuance to propose systems you know i think that my ideas 0.98

02:06:15.600 my ideology you know is that none of these none of these foreigners you know there's no such thing

02:06:20.580 as a Hispanic American. 0.99

02:06:21.520 There's no such thing

02:06:22.060 as a black American. 0.77

02:06:22.480 I know that's your view.

02:06:23.480 And that's fine.

02:06:25.600 But I also believe

02:06:26.920 in the practical implementation

02:06:28.320 that I don't realistically think

02:06:31.260 we can get from where we are

02:06:32.360 to where we need to be

02:06:33.260 in one step.

02:06:34.700 But at the same time,

02:06:35.740 I understand that

02:06:36.380 with incrementalism,

02:06:37.460 there's a lot more opportunities

02:06:39.560 for off-ramps into corruption,

02:06:42.100 into compromise.

02:06:42.800 That's true.

02:06:43.400 So these are things

02:06:44.520 that I have to balance

02:06:45.460 within the organization

02:06:46.500 as well as within my beliefs.

02:06:48.240 But at the same time,

02:06:49.160 You know, I think I'm not opposed, you know,

02:06:51.520 if somebody proposes me a plan like you just did

02:06:53.440 where that would make things unequivocally better

02:06:55.340 than they are now, you know, let's do that.

02:06:57.300 I mean, it would be radically,

02:06:58.560 I mean, it would be such an improvement.

02:07:00.180 So you'd be like, principally, I still disagree.

02:07:03.000 Yeah.

02:07:03.420 But pragmatically, radical improvement.

02:07:06.600 You know, Patriot Front is an organization

02:07:08.180 and my opinions and your opinions,

02:07:11.000 they're not just about race.

02:07:12.380 They're not just about nationality.

02:07:13.760 And especially when I'm going out there talking,

02:07:15.080 but you know, when people come out and they scream at me,

02:07:16.900 all they scream against all their greatest issues aren't about my opinions on the environment 0.97

02:07:23.120 or the economy or the family you know except for the homosexuals um it's really race is about 80

02:07:30.680 percent of what they're opposed to and i would love for some future in which a nationalist 0.57

02:07:35.800 organization that is or is like patriot front could be an organization which primarily talks

02:07:41.040 about or has that as its most controversial other important about labor rights or the environment

02:07:45.840 or civil service or any of these things,

02:07:49.000 but instead it has to be race.

02:07:51.260 It has to be race because we can solve all these problems

02:07:54.320 with a country, with a country that is our people, 0.96

02:07:57.820 because you can uncorrupt a people,

02:08:00.100 but you can't bring them back from extinction.

02:08:02.780 And I think that's something very important to remember

02:08:04.820 as we go through all of these challenges

02:08:06.580 and as we avoid compromise and we pursue solutions.

02:08:09.400 So one difference between Christian nationalists,

02:08:12.700 white nationalists, or American nationalists,

02:08:14.620 um under my scheme a lot of black people could not vote clarence thomas could and i would thank

02:08:21.660 god for it clarence clarence thomas could not uh yeah yeah i would say but you would still say

02:08:27.180 like he's at the end of the line but he's on the line he's at the end of the line but he's still

02:08:30.880 in line and uh but i think you would still say yeah but he's been a good man i don't i think

02:08:36.960 you know you wouldn't view him as an american but you would say no and but you would say man

02:08:41.180 And he's done a lot of great things.

02:08:42.480 Yeah, I can recognize that he's done things that are good. 1.00

02:08:45.200 And at the same time, I recognize, I oppose that the United States has become a multiracial empire. 1.00

02:08:49.760 Right. 0.99

02:08:50.080 That includes people.

02:08:51.040 So do I.

02:08:51.740 So do I.

02:08:52.200 But I recognize that it is.

02:08:54.180 I'm capable of interacting with the reality that it is and still saying that, you know, I even think in the manifesto it says that some of these people can be good citizens, but they can't be American.

02:09:03.960 And I think that's a distinction between, you know, the laws of man and the laws of nature.

02:09:07.700 Right.

02:09:07.880 you know and i mean that is a lot of what we've been talking about today is that you know they

02:09:12.480 your position i i disagree with it but i i don't find it to be obscene so i my i just want you to

02:09:18.880 know when i hear you say joel i just i'm i'm trying to be consistent and i and so i cannot

02:09:25.580 say that a black is an american yeah i just want you to know and i hope you know this like i don't 0.78

02:09:30.320 hear that say you dirty racist okay that's terrible or i can't believe that i i perfectly 0.95

02:09:36.100 understand the position and i find it to be uh understandable and and yet i still reserve 0.91

02:09:42.440 my distinctions and i would say uh the haitian is not an american um but i do think that the

02:09:49.200 descendants of slaves third generation on both sides or fifth generation on one are american

02:09:55.240 um but a hundred million still have to go back and then i still recognize it while i would say

02:10:01.180 myself and clarence thomas are both american i recognize it per capita something that clarence

02:10:07.080 thomas is you know seems to be one of the few black people who understands that concept of

02:10:10.620 per capita but uh he and i would both be american both able to vote but for those remaining blacks

02:10:17.340 in america less of his people would meet my criteria for voting than the people that look

02:10:22.760 like me and i actually think that clarence thomas uh wouldn't mind that he would say yep

02:10:29.320 and so they're just gonna have to shape up you know but let's get it to the supreme court and

02:10:34.240 see what yeah we'll see yeah but um but i just want to you know end on the piece of uh because

02:10:39.180 it's so foreign to westerners to moderns um your position that i mean my position is foreign like

02:10:46.540 patriarchy and women not being able to to vote so i i'm sympathetic to you because i receive that

02:10:51.640 kind of just vitriol all the time for saying yeah i don't think women should vote and people lose

02:10:56.040 their minds and they can't believe it and i'm a monster so i can only imagine you know on a day

02:11:00.860 to day basis what you deal with in terms of the criticism and for what little it's worth you know

02:11:06.740 who am i but i just want to say i disagree with your position but i don't find your position

02:11:11.160 hateful very good and i hope that our audience doesn't see it that way either i hope the

02:11:15.900 conversation has been immensely elucidating to them and i do want to say we have been receiving

02:11:20.800 so much support and so much understanding for so many people and i genuinely think the future is

02:11:26.600 bright for for the things that both of us are working for and in many ways how they overlap

02:11:31.800 yep thanks for coming on the show appreciate it thank you for having me

The NXR Podcast - July 22, 2026

THE SPECIAL - White Nationalism Vs Christian Nationalism w⧸ Thomas Rousseau

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