00:15:47.000Well, I would say that if you look at your country, for example, the Muslims are quite
00:15:50.700open that what they are trying to do is build power for their communities.
00:15:54.860Certainly, a lot of the Hindus and the Indians are operating the same way.
00:15:58.300Certainly, if you look at a lot of Jewish groups in their country, in your country, as well as my
00:16:01.860country, they operate purely on identity politics. It seems that only whites and Christians are out
00:16:06.500of the game, so to speak. But they're being dragged kicking and screaming to this kind of0.98
00:16:10.140thing, too. And it's a tragedy because when you look at what allowed us to build these kind of
00:16:16.040high trust functional societies, one could make the argument that it was precisely because of
00:16:21.420individualism, because we are able to work outside of tribal bonds, that we weren't just
00:16:26.000dependent on extended family networks. This is what allows us to build these sorts of societies
00:16:31.780where you can trade and you can have partnerships and you can fulfill contracts. And it's not just
00:16:36.740scams and tricks and ethnic cartels all the way down the line. But unfortunately, the very things
00:16:44.360that have allowed Anglos particularly to build successful societies makes it very easy to hack,1.00
00:16:50.260so to speak, by clannish outsiders. And unfortunately, that seems to be what's1.00
00:16:54.200happening throughout the Anglosphere, throughout the world. So we agree on the problem. We do. I0.68
00:16:58.980think we may agree on the solution, but I'm not sure if we agree on the identification or the
00:17:03.540analysis of it, because I'm not convinced that individualism is what's helped Christendom grow.
00:17:10.520I do believe that Christendom was mostly homogenous, and that is tribal. It is the idea
00:17:16.460that an Englishman had a duty and an obligation to his neighbor, to his parish, to his community,
00:17:21.520to his nation. And it wasn't just about the self. I think the problem is that individualism has led
00:17:27.400to people thinking that globalism is okay. And so you have Indian H1Bs coming over. Why not?1.00
00:17:32.240They want to get rich and successful too. So I would suggest that individualism is actually
00:17:37.200part of the problem. Now it is. I mean, unfortunately, I think ideas get taken to
00:17:41.920their logical conclusion, even especially if those conclusions are very stupid. I mean,1.00
00:17:47.540I would say one of the most destructive lines that is ever written is all men are created equal.
00:17:51.520Now, did Thomas Jefferson mean that everybody is perfectly equal and that we have to take egalitarianism all the way to where it leads?
00:17:58.360Of course not. I mean, Jefferson was quite clear that America was not for everybody.
00:18:02.180He said this explicitly. Similarly, if you look at Britain at the height of its greatness, I mean, it had a very strong sense of race.
00:18:09.360It had a very strong sense of religious pride.
00:18:12.200It had a very strong sense of our society is better than other societies and we are imposing civilization on the lower order, so to speak.0.99
00:18:18.760but the problem is you can't hold it there and it is simply true that northern europeans tend to
00:18:26.560operate on a more individualist basis we have less of a dependence on extended family networks
00:18:32.420and there are advantages to that in terms of being able to spread throughout the world and
00:18:37.260build these kinds of societies but there are disadvantages if it is taken to an extreme and
00:18:41.580what i would submit is that this is the pattern of history things that are an advantage in one era
00:18:47.240eventually become a disadvantage and it's more or less inevitable that things that were positive in
00:18:52.600one age are going to become a negative as people take it too far and i guess the question for all
00:18:57.640of us is is there a way to keep it from being taken too far is there a way you can kind of
00:19:03.240hold it in place and unfortunately i think history tells us that no this is just sort of the way of
00:19:09.320things well this is why i started with the question of who is the other side because people watching
00:19:14.200this may be thinking we're talking about left versus right or conservative versus
00:19:18.920democrats or republican versus democrat or conservative versus labor i think it's it's
00:19:23.320wider than that isn't it i think the answer what we're looking at is traditional western values
00:19:28.040versus modern progressive liberalism or wokeism or political correctness but that that encompasses
00:19:33.480more than just the left because the problem is that many people on our side are liberals they0.89
00:19:39.000are feminists. They are people who adhere to identity politics, and sometimes without even0.91
00:19:44.580knowing it. Well, it's not identity politics that is the problem, and I'd go a little bit further.
00:19:49.020How many people that we characterize on the left are even progressives? I mean, let's look at the
00:19:53.860United Kingdom right now. Muslims tend to vote for the Green Party, at least from when they're0.99
00:19:58.840not voting for these sort of independent Muslim candidates. Now, are they doing that because0.99
00:20:02.640they're big believers in gay rights, and they're big believers in feminism, and they're big
00:20:06.760believers and rainbow flags everywhere? No, it's a means to an end. What most people are,0.55
00:20:11.740and I would say all people, are essentially blood and soil nationalists for the people they actually
00:20:15.920like. I mean, when somebody comes up to you and says, well, actually borders are fake and this
00:20:21.280belongs to everyone, what they're really telling you is that they don't care about this particular
00:20:25.520country that they're talking about. You gatekeep the things you love. You prevent access to the
00:20:30.440things you love. And the same people who will tell you that, say, the United Kingdom belongs to
00:20:35.460everyone suddenly become very tribal when they're talking about Pakistan or India or Palestine or
00:20:41.160whatever else. This seems to be the way of things. One of the things that I toy with, and I'm not0.96
00:20:47.180quite all the way there yet, at least not yet, but I wonder if there even are any progressives,
00:20:52.960if there is even such a thing, or if it's always just been a rhetorical trick to getting people
00:20:58.000to lower their defenses. Because as people have said, everybody is right wing about the things
00:21:03.700they love and everybody is conservative about the things they understand most yeah what does it
00:21:09.920mean to be progressive they're progressing not in terms of morality but in terms of increasing of
00:21:16.100tolerance and inclusion and diversity and all things that they're painting as good things but
00:21:19.960aren't necessarily inherently good in fact quite often they are harmful to a nation and to a people
00:21:24.360and they know that and they know that i mean this this is the key and i'm not i'm not saying this
00:21:29.100like this is how it is i'm saying this is the question we should think about because i'm not
00:21:33.000totally sure on the answer myself, but when they say these sorts of things, do they mean it? Because
00:21:39.140if you flipped the question and said, okay, well, you care about your country and everybody has
00:21:45.580their real country, right? There are lots of people in the United Kingdom who are not British
00:21:49.420and do not think of themselves as British. But if you had them talking about India, Pakistan,
00:21:54.580Palestine, Israel, whatever it is, it doesn't matter. And you said, well, do you believe that
00:21:58.900migration into that country would be good for it, that it would strengthen it, that it would
00:22:04.560actually be an advantage, that actually there's no such thing as a culture there, and that actually
00:22:09.660it's available to everyone. And really, what does it mean to even have a nation? Of course,
00:22:14.120they wouldn't accept that. When it comes to something they actually care about, everybody
00:22:17.500suddenly understands who is in and who is out, who is part of the nation, who is not part of
00:22:22.320the nation, why borders matter, why you have to control access to it, why if you have a bunch of
00:22:27.260foreigners moving into your country that eventually outnumber you. That doesn't make you stronger.0.89
00:22:31.600That just means you're conquered. Everybody understands that. So the question is, and this
00:22:36.500is something I go back and forth with with my boss, Jared Taylor at American Renaissance,
00:22:40.380are these arguments ever made in good faith? Or is it just malice? Just a trick?
00:22:45.860I think they can be. I think it comes from a place of strength, usually. So Britain,
00:22:52.200for hundreds of years, Britain was the biggest empire in the world. It was the greatest nation
00:22:56.720the world, by many measures, I'm not saying that just out of patriotism, by many tangible
00:23:25.160Britain is no longer the best country in the world, but people still have, we still have that,
00:23:31.360it's in our psyche that Britain has always been the best country in the world, therefore it always
00:23:35.860will be, because that's part of, we've come from a position of strength. People think, well, we have
00:23:39.740enough to give out. Why shouldn't people come and live here? Because this is the best place. Why not?0.99
00:23:43.960So I think it can be made in good faith. Not that I'm not saying it always is, but I think it could
00:23:47.540be, the conclusion could be come to in good faith in that this, every man is made equal. Of course,
00:23:52.420say for money is made equal in terms of dignity and worth in the eyes of god but we're not equal
00:23:55.740in terms of what we have access to and anything in our lives really and truly but there's a
00:24:01.860well-intentioned I think belief that because we have it so good and we will always have it so good
00:24:06.560other people should have part of it too which of course is a fallacy. Well this is where we get to
00:24:11.140the question of suicidal empathy and we also get to the question of who is it that's making these
00:24:15.440kinds of arguments. I would submit that if there are progressives out there and this leads us back
00:24:19.760to something that is, I think, just inherent to white people, this individualism, this less of a0.82
00:24:24.640reliance on ethnic networks and cartels and everything else, which used to be an advantage0.55
00:24:29.640and now is a disadvantage. I think white people have this sense, especially liberal white people,
00:24:36.300that there's no bad ending policy. I mean, dating myself a bit here, but there was a book a few
00:24:40.860years ago called Stuff White People Like, which was sort of this satirical take on liberal white
00:24:45.840people. So what do white people like? They like Asian girls. They like farmer's markets. They
00:24:49.880like this kind of stuff, like these sorts of jokes. And somebody asked the author and they
00:24:54.280said, look, okay, we're all having a good time here, but this is ethnic humor. Why is it bad
00:25:01.360to do this for other groups, but it's okay to take a poke at white people, even liberal white0.90
00:25:06.280people like this? And he said, because for white people, no bad ending is possible.0.88
00:25:10.700Now, I would submit to you that that actually has a really ingrained sense of, in some ways,0.71
00:25:16.400white supremacism, because you just sort of assume that like, and I literally said this
00:25:22.580kind of thing on the show to some extent, and I'm certainly somebody who believes that a bad0.62
00:25:26.400ending for white people is possible. But even I've said stuff like, look, you don't have the0.78
00:25:31.640right to fail. Like, you're part of this group, you have to overcome everything, whether you like
00:25:35.960it or not. Now, I mean that in a more pragmatic sense in that if you're a white person and you're
00:25:41.160suffering, no one's going to care. There's no charity for you, right? People are just going to0.58
00:25:46.280spit on you, so you better rise up and do what you got to do. But I think for a lot of white0.98
00:25:51.080people, it's actually deeper and more sinister than that. It's just white people cannot be the0.97
00:25:57.760victims by definition because somehow in the back of their brains, they really do think that we're
00:26:03.200just better and we're just inherently better than everybody else. And so if there is something
00:26:09.220happening, it must be deserved or it must be some sort of a trick. And you see this all the time
00:26:17.040where they say like, well, if these immigrants are coming into your country and they're getting1.00
00:26:21.720jobs and you're not, it must be because you're stupid. It must be because you're lazy. I mean,1.00
00:26:27.280what this actually manifests as is this real savage contempt for the white working class,
00:26:33.740which is the one group of people, I think, in the United Kingdom and in the United States
00:26:37.560that you're allowed to openly hate as a group and show no sympathy for whatsoever.0.54
00:26:43.940That's interesting because white people have created the best societies in the world, right?0.71
00:26:48.220The best civilization or created civilization, right? The best countries. But that isn't0.94
00:26:53.660necessarily an inherent gift from god that's through hard work so this assumption is that0.70
00:26:58.580that white people will always have the best and it will always be the best and actually0.85
00:27:01.960if you're not working towards creating the best and you're inviting the worst in you will
00:27:05.600eventually lose right and and what i would argue before is that many of the things i mean this is
00:27:11.440the rise and fall of civilizations right many of the things that allowed us to create the best
00:27:16.580civilizations are now the things that are destroying us because what is an advantage in one
00:27:21.380time can become a disadvantage at another time. I would argue that's what's happening now. I mean,
00:27:25.840if you look at, say, the justice system, for example, let's look at the grooming gangs
00:27:29.440phenomenon in the United Kingdom. One of the things that I think really shocks people,
00:27:34.580it's not that like, oh, these crimes are taking place. I mean, lots of bad things happen all over
00:27:39.140the place. It's horrific, but it's not surprising, right? I mean, this is what human nature is.
00:27:43.740What's shocking is the fact that you have all these communities, like entire communities
00:27:48.680involved and nobody rats. The women don't go to the police. The friends of these people don't go
00:27:54.360to the police. The family members don't go to the police. This is so foreign. This is so outside
00:28:01.020what I think Anglos would expect people to act like that the justice system is almost entirely1.00
00:28:07.040powerless. How do you fight something like that? How do you break into something where the communal1.00
00:28:12.840bonds are that strong, where the code of honor or the code of Izzot is such that what it is to
00:28:18.780show solidarity against outsiders is so much more important than what we would think of as like
00:28:24.180basic moral conduct. And so how do you fight that? Well, I suppose how you fight that is by
00:28:30.660removing that community. If there's a group of people who are honor-based and you're a group
00:28:34.900of people who are guilt-based, broadly speaking, those societies can't necessarily work together
00:28:40.140in the same place at the same time right but now we're making collective judgments and you can't
00:28:44.400do that that makes you a bad person why well yeah i know that and you know that i mean ask somebody
00:28:50.240on the street and that's what they're going to tell you i mean they're going to say well people
00:28:53.540are the same and you've got to judge people as individuals and everything else and again this
00:28:57.400is one of these things i mean every every idea contains within it the seed of its own destruction
00:29:02.080right right if you one of the things that makes particularly in america and i think in america
00:29:07.660that's even more ingrained than in the United Kingdom is this idea that you can make your own
00:29:10.900way, that you can set your own destiny. You may have started off as poor, but there's no reason
00:29:14.980you can't become a millionaire. What is what is they saying? They say in America, everybody is
00:29:18.660just a temporarily embarrassed millionaire as far as like the middle class goes. But the flip side
00:29:24.060to that is then you have to judge everybody as an individual. And so when you see all of these
00:29:29.240groups behaving a certain way and you see that they're taking advantage of you and you see that
00:29:33.700they're gaining power at your expense because they're acting as a collective and you're not,
00:29:39.240somehow you still feel like you can't do anything about it. I mean, why is it after all that you
00:29:44.200have these, let's be honest about what it is, basically ethnic cartels in both the United
00:29:49.060States and the United Kingdom gaining power, getting their members elected purely on the
00:29:53.940basis of identity politics, and white people are over here arguing about policy and goofing off
00:29:59.560about ideological differences that at the end of the day don't really mean that much.
00:30:03.700yeah I want to build on that blanket punishment part just for a moment because I used to be in
00:30:09.360education and as a school teacher if I see an individual in my class messing around I punish
00:30:14.000that individual right I'll give them detention send them out whatever if there are multiple
00:30:17.700individuals misbehaving at the same time I may do a blanket punishment across the whole class I
00:30:22.140may say you're all staying behind for 30 minutes after school now people may see that's unfair on
00:30:26.920the individual but at some point there are enough individuals misbehaving that you almost want them
00:30:31.880to police themselves because you can't police, you can't identify individuals. And I think that's
00:30:36.820the same with our Pakistani Mohammedan communities in Britain in that I don't see the imams coming
00:30:41.460out and saying, this is abhorrent what's been going on. I don't see the sharia courts punishing
00:30:46.300their individuals for grooming and systematically raping young white English girls. And so there has0.98
00:30:51.800to be a collective address of the situation and say, well, actually, if this small demographic0.95
00:30:56.320of Pakistani Mohammedan men is responsible for such a large proportion of child sexual abuse,0.89
00:31:00.860we can't have any Pakistani Mohammedan men in our country sorry correct and obviously why were1.00
00:31:05.900they here to begin with I mean one of the things that's truly disturbing is when you look at how1.00
00:31:10.200long this has been going on really it dates from the the time the first of these people started
00:31:15.380arriving in the United Kingdom I mean you can find cases like this back in the 50s so but can
00:31:21.400you get it when you have the justice system set up in such a way where we don't look at groups
00:31:27.140where we don't look at communities, where we don't have collective punishments, you're essentially
00:31:31.520ideologically disarmed. And what we're really talking about here is that you almost need a
00:31:36.460kind of moral and philosophical revolution if we're going to save our societies. And this is
00:31:42.280a very difficult thing to do because people say what you will about white people, but you can't
00:31:48.360just go up to them and say, listen, we as a group need to operate as a collective because everybody
00:31:54.120else is operating as a collective and this is a team sport. And if we don't work as a team,
00:31:57.860we're not going to win. White people don't listen to that kind of stuff. You got to make a moral0.85
00:32:01.580argument. You got to say like, this is why it's correct to act this way. And the problem is we've
00:32:06.800been morally disarmed. And of course, you know, if we're talking about moral disarmament, we have
00:32:10.920to look at the state of the churches right now. I mean, how many people, especially in the United
00:32:15.940States, where I think it's fair to say that religious belief tends to be a bit stronger
00:32:19.680than it is in the United Kingdom today, unfortunately, a lot of the people who go to churches, I mean,
00:32:24.920this is their fallback. This is where they expect to get some support. And pretty much regardless
00:32:30.400of what denomination you're in, you're going to get a lecture from your pastor or your priest
00:32:34.540telling you that you have a moral responsibility for open borders. You have a moral responsibility
00:32:38.940to feel white guilt. You have a moral responsibility not to align with this or that political movement0.67
00:32:44.080because it's mean. I mean, we've been rendered essentially powerless. And partially, it's
00:32:50.040because I think there's a deeply ingrained sense in what I wouldn't call a Christian society,
00:32:54.860but certainly a post-Christian society, that in some sense, we have it coming.
00:33:01.000Yes. And this is a challenge that I'm always working up against. It goes all the way up to0.97
00:33:04.960the Pope. We have a white American Pope who is a globalist, pro-mass immigration. How do you push0.63
00:33:12.440back against that when your faith leaders all the way up to the top are working for the other side.0.75
00:33:17.580And Christians for 2,000 years have had one particular teaching on all of this stuff. And
00:33:21.860for the last five minutes, it's been inverted like that. And so families don't go to church
00:33:26.860anymore. And the ones that do go to church, very few of them are getting the Orthodox faith. They're
00:33:31.240getting this new religion of niceness, diversity, inclusion, and equity, which is harmful to Western
00:33:36.320society. Right. I mean, this is the classic conservative dilemma, right? When you are on
00:33:41.620the right, if you call yourself a conservative or reactionary, even a right-wing or whatever else,
00:33:46.840you tend to be attached to particular symbols, institutions, leaders. And you tend to believe
00:33:53.160in the ideas of obedience and authority and hierarchy. And the problem is, what do you do
00:33:59.300when the institution that you revere has itself been subverted? I often think of it in terms of
00:34:05.640the samurai who rose against the emperor when Japan was modernizing because they thought that
00:34:10.500the traditional way of life was being destroyed but it was being destroyed by the emperor so
00:34:15.260they're rising against the emperor in the name of the emperor you can sort of see the same thing
00:34:19.900happening in the catholic church now where they're saying like well they're trying to play this
00:34:23.680double game where it's like well we're the pope is is violating catholic teachings but we also
00:34:28.820need to submit to the church and the church holds the keys of salvation and everything else and it's
00:34:34.420not yeah and it's not just unfortunately it's not just the churches i mean you could argue that it
00:34:39.300gets to our countries i mean what after all is the correct attitude of the patriot toward today's
00:34:44.380british government what after all is the attitude of the patriot toward today's american government
00:34:48.900particularly once the left gets back in power these are the sorts of questions that i think
00:34:52.800especially people who are younger than you and i who are on the right are asking themselves which
00:34:56.920is why you see this kind of radicalism because they look around you and i remember the the before
00:35:02.620times the long long ago where you could sort of had a country right yeah i mean we i'm i'm an
00:35:08.980older millennial. And so I, I sort of feel, I remember the nineties say, and so, yeah,
00:35:13.320the rot was always there and everything else, but you can recall what it was like when America was
00:35:19.100still America for people like my son and especially my younger sons, but they have no memory of this
00:35:24.860and they never will. And every institution that matters, the universities, the churches,
00:35:30.120the governments, they all hate them and tell them that they have a duty to be dispossessed.
00:35:35.020So what does one fall back on? It's like what what Evelyn says. I mean, you're trying you're tossing around in this bed of agony and you're trying to get up, but there's nothing you can lean against. There's nothing. There's no support. You have to do it all by yourself. That's a very difficult thing to do, because traditionally, really up until just this generation, if you were in trouble, if you were in agony, you had something you could fall back on. Today's youth, they got nothing.
00:36:00.560wow that's bleak i used to be the face of a project called defund the bbc which was all
00:36:07.140about removing the tax the license fee from the bbc because it's funded publicly basically right
00:36:12.800and they propagandize us you know they push woke down our throats all day every day it's but that
00:36:17.080was that was for me that was waking up to the idea that these institutions that we want to preserve
00:36:21.320as conservatives are no longer preservable because they're we're conserving liberalism and so we
00:36:27.120we must destroy the institution and rebuild it. But it's wider than just media now. It's
00:36:32.400everything from the judiciary to the legislative. It's the entire system that we live in. And as
00:36:37.580conservatives, we want to preserve it because we know it was good, but it isn't good anymore.
00:36:43.640And so I think you're right. There's an entire generation that's never seen that it could be
00:36:46.640good and it was good. And so maybe they need to destroy it. Right. And this is the generational
00:36:51.420conflict on the right right now. I mean, certainly in the United States, just speaking in terms of
00:36:55.740American politics, we often talk about boomer conservatives where they have an attachment to
00:37:00.160traditional forms. They have an attachment to process. They fixate on things like the
00:37:04.420constitution or their survival of an institution as such. And they don't see that these things
00:37:09.680have been subverted and that they're powerless to defend themselves. So if you go to, I mean,
00:37:14.380I know I'm involved in like Vanguard politics and all this far right stuff and everything else,
00:37:18.340but believe it or not, I do come out of the mainstream conservative movement when all is
00:37:23.040said and done. And I do still go to talk to normie Republicans and things like that. And you'll be
00:37:28.140talking to some normal conservative, some 65-year-old guy who's a retiree, pillar of the
00:37:33.840community and everything else. And you'll be talking about the problems and they'll say the
00:37:37.420problems the same way as you do. And then when it's time to decide what should be done, they'll
00:37:41.280say, well, we just need to educate people about the constitution. They really have this sort of
00:37:47.060touching naivete about falling back on documents and codes and ideologies and institution it's just
00:37:54.420you know the other side they just don't understand this kind of stuff and if we tell them like more
00:37:58.340stories about george washington and thomas jefferson everything will be okay i don't think
00:38:03.060anybody under 40 believes that i think everybody of a certain generation millennials or younger
00:38:08.260understand that no these things have no power to defend themselves so we really are starting
00:38:13.620from scratch here and it is quite scary because it means we have to disengage from the from the
00:38:18.820institutions and the systems in britain right now for example they've just launched cpac great
00:38:24.020britain right so right we can't think of anything by ourselves we have to americanize everything but
00:38:29.780so we have cpac we also had something called arc which jordan peterson was the face of alliance
00:38:33.940for responsible citizenship anyway these conferences the idea is that conservatives
00:38:38.180are starting to see the problem but then they're not brave enough to address the solutions and so
00:39:12.680Well, I suppose you could say with the founding of Israel too, but in modern history, it's not
00:39:16.620really something that's been done. No, and it's especially tragic when you look at the British
00:39:21.880situation. I think the United Kingdom is the ultimate example of, I think it was Garrett
00:39:27.020Garrett, who was sort of an old right conservative back before World War II, who talked about the
00:39:30.940revolution within the form, where everything on the outside looks pretty much the same.
00:39:36.120You can't point to a regime change and everything still operates the way it should in theory,
00:39:41.600but the nature of the regime itself has totally transformed and this of course makes it very
00:39:46.580difficult to fight because if you look at the united kingdom today the king is quite literally
00:39:50.860still on his throne there is still a house of lords there is still a house of commons the
00:39:54.760british constitution still exists in some way there has not been a real break in the same way
00:40:00.720that the french seem to have a different government or a totally different form of government every
00:40:04.720two generations or whatever it is. But at the same time, it's not the same country. It's a 180
00:40:11.940from what came before. But because it wasn't openly declared as such for a certain type of
00:40:17.480conservative, they can't recognize it. And this is why it's very dangerous because conservatives,
00:40:23.220and I guess this is really the difference between what we might call a right winger and a conservative,
00:40:28.400a conservative is attached to a process. He's attached to an institution. He's attached to a
00:40:33.000means. Whereas if you are a right winger, you need to be attached to an end.
00:40:39.460So I was just thinking about my old school photograph, right? So I'm also a millennial.
00:40:45.320My old school photograph from high school, it's on my wall at home. And there's white kid,0.88
00:40:50.140white kid, white kid, white kid, white kid, white kid, white kid, white kid, me, the mixed race kid,
00:40:53.860white kid, white kid, white kid, white kid, white kid, the one black kid. And that was normal,0.92
00:40:57.900because this is a predominantly white country. And so you would expect that.0.99
00:41:01.460Now, fast forward 20 years later when I was a school teacher, black kid, black kid, black kid, Asian kid, Asian kid, Asian kid, black kid, black kid, black kid, black kid, oh, white kid, black kid, black kid, Asian kid.0.86
00:41:19.360In the younger generation, they are already a minority in their own country, which should be insane to anyone with any ounce of common sense.0.97
00:41:27.340But at this point, is that too late?1.00
00:44:22.200Oh, actually, I identify as this race or whatever else.
00:44:25.420They're not saying that because they've de-assimilated.
00:44:28.940They're saying it because there's no longer the force,
00:44:32.580the expectation that they have to conform to the dominant culture in some ways.
00:44:37.080And so they essentially revert to type.0.90
00:44:39.560And this is kind of the tragedy of multiculturalism and mass immigration. I think there's this premise that I think Atlee, Clement Atlee even said this specifically, that if you just mix up people enough, everybody will just become mixed and there won't be a majority anymore.0.95
00:44:56.140and then people just won't care about race ever again. But actually what happens is the competition
00:45:01.500intensifies and people begin to care more about race and the possibility of cross-racial
00:45:07.380friendships or people who are not of the dominant ethnic group being a patriotic citizen of this
00:45:12.960country, that actually declines in likelihood. The conflicts become more existential. The identity
00:45:19.400politics become more explicit. This is where we are going. Now, is it too late? It's never quite
00:45:25.900too late, but I mean, it's never over, right? But on the other hand, if you look at Martin
00:45:30.740Sellner, I mean, I think this is something he said, obviously, one of the leading remigration
00:45:34.400activists on the continent. He's something along the lines that we basically have 10 to 15 years
00:45:39.580where you could send a lot of these people back through some semblance of a legal process.
00:45:45.220And after that, is it over? Maybe not over, but the solutions get way more problematic.
00:45:51.160And though I am not one of these people who's like, oh, it's all going to go to civil war0.85
00:45:55.480or something like that, I don't think that'll happen if only because I'm not sure white people
00:45:58.500would fight. It's not outside the realm of possibility that you end up with something0.57
00:46:02.820like the Troubles in Northern Ireland, and that just becomes the new normal in the United Kingdom.0.98
00:46:07.980And worst case scenario, you may even end up with something like what happened with the Lebanese0.70
00:46:11.920Civil War. It's not a war of all against all. It's not some apocalyptic thing. I think it's
00:46:17.080not productive for people to indulge in these sorts of things, especially when you can tell
00:46:20.740that there's like an element of fantasy to it. Not like this is something to dread, but like,
00:46:25.240this is what I want to happen. I don't think there's anything productive about that kind of
00:46:28.620thing. But the idea that you will have ethnic competition in politics, in society, and0.97
00:46:36.180occasionally bleeding over into violence, that seems like a pretty firm prediction unless we do0.86
00:46:41.420get re-migration. I'm convinced you're right on pretty much all that you just said. Although I0.98
00:46:48.560wouldn't say it's white people don't fight because the Irish people fight, Americans fight. I think
00:46:53.060it's white English people that don't fight. They don't necessarily have the fight in them anymore0.86
00:46:56.740because I think the fighters all died in World War I and World War II and all came over to America
00:47:00.820before that, unfortunately. Ireland's facing the same thing that the English are. I mean,
00:47:05.860we're facing the same thing. They get out there, right? They do. I mean, you've seen some stuff.
00:47:10.400I mean, it's different conditions in different countries. And in Ireland, it's a bit, I mean,
00:47:15.300you do have that whole tradition of physical force, republicanism and everything else,
00:47:18.400but we don't have, I mean, I think there's a party that, again, my boss was just speaking at
00:47:22.360an Irish political party that's pushing for remigration but you don't have a nationalist
00:47:28.080populist party that's campaigning openly on immigration that's winning seats in the government
00:47:32.720in Ireland the same way you do even in Portugal and Spain and Germany and France so we'll see what
00:47:38.400happens we will I'm not convinced that there is a political solution I'm not convinced the
00:47:42.460political system can can support this kind of solution we need but we will see and I think0.99
00:47:47.440martin's right within the next 10-15 years we will see either way i don't believe in multiculturalism
00:47:53.260for obvious reasons i don't think it works if i can just i don't mean to cut you off but there
00:47:57.180is one thing that i want to i want to clarify i mean i do believe all solutions are ultimately
00:48:01.600political solutions the question is is whether there's an electoral solution right the question
00:48:06.360is partisan party political solution right um but you're right in that they're all political
00:49:38.200That's not really the issue. The issue is if you no longer have a dominant ethnic group or a dominant culture as such, you're not going to get assimilation because there is no longer anything to assimilate to.
00:49:50.340I mean, this is always the great question. You'd be shocked how many times talking to just like normal Republicans where they'll say, well, you know, I don't care who comes as long as they assimilate.
00:50:00.540And you just go assimilate to what? And they give you this like terrified look because they've honestly never thought of it before.
00:50:08.200this is where we're at. That's one of the biggest problems that white society has,
00:50:12.940and it's a fish in water. And so the liberals will say, there is no white culture. And many0.93
00:50:17.620people can't fight it back because they're so enclosed in it, they don't see it. It's hard
00:50:21.960to articulate. And these things are intangible. I try to write about what is British culture
00:50:25.880wants. I'm writing about things like Shakespeare, the King James Bible, fish and chips. And it's
00:50:30.380all, when you take one example, they sound silly, but collectively they do make up a people.
00:50:34.720Right. I mean, culture is one of these things. It's so all encompassing that in some sense to put it into words means that it is no longer true. I mean, it is something that has to be lived. It is something that has to be experienced. I mean, I would actually reverse the equation when you see these people talking about like, well, my, you know, some third world is being like, oh, well, my culture is this. And what is it? It's usually something like, well, you don't understand. In my culture, it's really important for families to get together to eat a meal or it's really important for us to have a party.
00:51:03.040and it's like, okay, this is just consumerist nonsense. Everybody has these things. It's not
00:51:09.880something that can really be communicated into words. Even if you say something like, oh, well,
00:51:14.520it's this religion. Okay, well, how does that people experience that religion? How do they
00:51:19.900understand God, for example? How do they worship? I mean, these are the sorts of things that you
00:51:24.800can't really put into words. You either get it or you do not. And this is also why these issues are
00:51:30.080so difficult because I think for a lot of white people, for a lot of Westerners, even for a lot
00:51:35.260of, let's say, non-whites who feel like they have fully assimilated because, I mean, there's always
00:51:39.780exceptions, right? Where you say like, well, it's just a question of education. It's just a question0.83
00:51:45.340of explaining. And it's like, no, you're in it or you're not. And I think that as these sorts of
00:51:53.140population transfers increase and as these majorities continue to decline, even the0.87
00:51:58.060exceptions that people will point to, you know, oh, here's a non-white who is like considers0.56
00:52:02.700himself a part. I mean, Clarence Thomas, right? That would be, I guess, an example of the beloved0.70
00:52:06.640among American conservatives. Even people like that are going to become rarer and rarer because
00:52:11.420people are going to revert to type and people are going to revert to type simply out of survival,
00:52:15.540because once you have a multicultural, multiracial society where there's no longer a dominant0.96
00:52:20.360majority, you have to have a team to put it in crude terms, or you're just going to get eaten
00:52:25.420alive and in some sense that's what's happening to everybody i think you're right but i don't
00:52:30.200think we've been allowed to discuss type you say people refer resort back to type but we haven't
00:52:34.300been allowed to discuss right so whether whether scientific you know or why are black people better
00:52:40.800athletes why are chinese people better at maths you know i'm looking at the positives for a reason
00:52:45.480because people can just about acknowledge that these positives are differences but when you
00:52:51.060start talking about negative differences no no no everyone's the same on the inside
01:03:48.960i don't know who's who's going to win out but as far as i'm concerned whoever wins this the next
01:03:54.920step is the most difficult step if we manage to tomorrow mass deport and repatriate everyone that
01:04:00.420is is not uh of the country that has no lineage no tie to the country we'd still be dying out
01:04:07.440well whether it's america whether it's britain whether it's france like the birth rate is way
01:04:13.960below replacement rate, like half of what it should be. And abortion is like a third of all
01:04:19.600babies are being killed. So, you know, the solution is going to be bigger than just mass
01:04:23.620deportation. Maybe, but these things are not unconnected. I mean, one of the white people
01:04:29.580don't breed in captivity, as they say. And one of the reasons that the birth rate is so low0.91
01:04:34.040is precisely because the cost of living is so high. The cost of housing is high. The cost of
01:04:38.820health care is high. Transportation, you have to move in all these different places to get away
01:04:42.320from dangerous neighborhoods and everything else. Well, if you have mass deportations,
01:04:45.640those costs tend to go down. And also, by the way, then you don't have these destructive
01:04:50.020political policies that make life worse for everyone. And that by itself will make the
01:04:53.920birth rate go up. I mean, one of the interesting things that you're seeing in America right now
01:04:58.040is the birth rate. It's still below replacement, but the birth rate for white conservatives is
01:05:02.400significantly higher than the birth rate for white liberals. And partially you could say,
01:05:07.260well, this is due to religion or belief or whatever else, but it's partially just due
01:05:10.700to where people live. I mean, Steve Saylor pointed out a while back, he had this concept called
01:05:15.200affordable family formation. And he pointed out that in areas where the cost of housing is low
01:05:20.640and where you actually can afford a family, people tend to be more conservative and they tend to have
01:05:25.480more kids. So if you had these sorts of programs and you had mass deportation, and presumably you
01:05:32.100would couple it with another economic agenda as well, that may do enough to actually increase
01:05:38.260the birth rate. What the idea that you can subsidize people to have more kids. I mean,0.85
01:05:44.260this is something that Hungary has tried. And, you know, let's let's forget white people for a0.97
01:05:48.920while. I mean, look at Korea, right? South Korea, where arguably the problem is worse than everywhere0.98
01:05:53.040else. We may have to consider the possibility that this is simply the nature of post-industrial
01:05:59.180society. I mean, for example, if one were to say, well, you know, white people aren't having kids0.54
01:06:03.840because there's this hostile elite running the media and it's telling people not to do it. It's
01:06:07.220like, well, OK, maybe. But is that true of South Korea? Or is this just the way things are when
01:06:14.040women get education and when the workplace is structured the way it is and when the economy1.00
01:06:18.000is structured the way it is? Do we even need to be having six kids apiece? Is it really that? Is1.00
01:06:22.960it that really? Is it such a bad idea if the population goes down, but we still have a homeland
01:06:28.840of our own? I don't know. I would think that, I mean, if you look at Japan, I mean, is Japan
01:06:33.000going to cease to be Japan if it has 10% fewer people. And by the way, these things don't just
01:06:37.460stay still. I mean, if the population declines and the cost of living goes down, the next
01:06:41.520generation may have more kids. But the thing is, once you're dispossessed, then the whole thing's
01:06:46.500gone. You're right, but it takes a certain number of people to sustain a nation. And this is the
01:06:50.520argument that left have been using for so long that we need all these immigrants for GDP, right?
01:06:54.080We need people for the jobs. Well, yeah, but that's the problem. I mean, this model, and0.97
01:06:58.840This is where we get to. I mean, not to bring it back to the boomer question, but when we talk about groups that have a stranglehold on our politics, we have to talk about this. If you look at the pyramid structure of our welfare programs, they are basically all dependent on having more workers than retirees.
01:07:14.200and one of the reasons that you see even people like baloney over in italy bringing in more
01:07:21.400migrants even after they campaign saying that they need fewer migrants is because nobody wants
01:07:26.600to be there when the whole welfare state collapses because the pyramid is now inverted and this is1.00
01:07:33.100one of the arguments for why we continuously need this flow of immigrants to pay for all these1.00
01:07:37.600sorts of things now of course this doesn't work one because a lot of these immigrants just don't1.00
01:07:41.840work, their net fiscal drain, but to also what you've talked about with the birth rate. And this1.00
01:07:46.020kind of leads me to my point that it might have more to do with the structure of the economy and
01:07:49.880society and everything else. We sort of in the back of our mind have this idea that, well, you
01:07:54.440know, the third world is more based and traditionalist in some ways because they still0.87
01:07:58.840have their religion and everything else, unlike us degenerate whites. Well, actually, if you look
01:08:03.260at the birth rate, once these people come to the West, usually it plummets even below where white0.97
01:08:06.780people are. I mean, there are some exceptions if you look at, say, Muslims in the United Kingdom.0.99
01:08:10.800But then again, they're also getting so heavily subsidized by the government, they don't have to work. If you look in America, for example, the Hispanic birth rate, I think is actually declining below the white birth rate. So even if you if you were a true believer who said, well, we need these migrants to come in because they'll give us like a continuous boost in population and more young people, even that doesn't work after a generation. And so you're just going to have to keep importing people forever.
01:08:36.320really it gets to even a more fundamental thing i mean we were not meant to live this way
01:08:42.680in in a greater sense the the structure of our society of our economy the way we live our lives
01:08:48.340is fundamentally anti-human i think this is something that people of a lot of different
01:08:53.340religious traditions or no religious tradition at all would be willing to agree with because
01:08:57.760if you look around the choice that most people who live in our society seem to be making when0.69
01:09:04.280they look at the future is collective suicide i will essentially consume i will not reproduce0.99
01:09:09.580and my bloodline ends with me as some feminists even proudly proclaim1.00
01:09:13.160that is so sad well we are commanded to go forth and multiply and it's a good thing i got three
01:09:19.840kids i'm doing my part you know i'm trying it's a good thing to have more open to have one more
01:09:23.660so good well have as many as god blesses you with that's what i would advise
01:09:27.760give us some hope to wrap up with kevin well the big thing is that if you look there's this meme
01:09:35.820out there where they say you know gen z is so based and everything else that's that's actually
01:09:40.360not true if you look at the numbers i mean they tend to be more liberal and everything else but
01:09:44.060what i will say is that the people who are on the right among the youth are right wing not
01:09:51.140conservative and this gives me more hope there is a mass constituency in a way that we simply
01:09:56.820didn't have before i've been writing i mean i was alt-right before there was an alt-right i was
01:10:01.440writing for all sorts of publications and stuff like that even when i was working in the conservative
01:10:05.560movement under pen names and whatever else back in 20 2010 2011 2012 and a lot of times it just
01:10:11.940felt like you were screaming into the ether i mean nobody was paying attention to you now there is a
01:10:17.100mass movement now there is a mass constituency now there are groups popping up everywhere now
01:10:21.900there are networks of people. Wherever I go in this country, there is a network. There are dozens
01:10:26.420of people in basically any state, any town, any region who are going to say, hey, come out here,
01:10:32.480give a speech, come train with us, do this kind of thing. This is something that didn't exist
01:10:36.760before. Now, we still don't have a mainstream political expression of it. Like the right,
01:10:41.620at least in America, is not getting people elected. We don't even have something like
01:10:46.720restore or reform or something like that in the United Kingdom. I mean, at best, you have maybe
01:10:51.120a certain faction of the Republican Party. But even that's not really getting us anywhere.
01:10:55.660But there is something that didn't exist before in that you have a not insignificant number of
01:11:01.660people. And I would actually say the majority of young white males who know about these issues and
01:11:07.960are determined to do something about it. They are not conservative. They are right wing. And that is
01:11:12.740what it is going to take. And I would submit that I have enough faith in my people that if
01:11:17.060young white males, a majority of young white males are concerned about this issue and willing
01:11:22.180to do something about it, that is going to be enough to carry us to victory. Because the
01:11:26.920consideration has never been pure numbers or what proportion of the population are we.
01:11:33.260The consideration has always been what collective willpower do our people have. And I would say our
01:11:39.060collective willpower is at a higher pitch than I've ever seen in my entire lifetime. And that's
01:11:42.700why I'm ultimately optimistic. Wow, that was a positive note to end on. Kevin, where can people
01:11:47.620find you? Where can they watch Identity Politics? Well, I work for American Renaissance. That's
01:11:52.060amren.com. Every episode is posted there. Every episode of Identity Politics is posted on Rumble,
01:11:57.680on YouTube, on Odyssey. We have a live stream at 7pm on Eastern Time on Thursday, so that'll be
01:12:02.920tonight. And you can find us anywhere on amren.com or just by searching on any video streaming site.
01:12:09.220Kevin, Diana, thank you very much and God bless.