The NXR Podcast - August 20, 2026


The Next Crusade - The Crusades and the LA Riots： The Right to Defend Your Own (w⧸Tony Moon)


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00:00:00.000 hello and welcome to the next crusade exclusive to nxr studios i'm father calvin robinson and
00:00:26.820 this is the show where we look at current events from a Christian perspective. We address the
00:00:31.460 topics the legacy media does not want to touch with a 10-foot barge pole. Coming up on today's
00:00:36.800 show, we have Tony Moon, one of the Korean roofers, one of the people who stood by in the 1992 LA
00:00:44.220 riots and fought to defend his community. We're going to get to all of that, plus how we can
00:00:50.060 defend our communities today. More to come very soon. Follow this. Were the Crusades justified?
00:00:58.000 The Crusades were often criticised for being brutal wars of Christian aggression and being
00:01:03.160 antithetical to scripture, but these allegations are falsehoods, devised after the fact and rooted
00:01:09.200 in spineless modernism. It is true that the scriptures call for Christians to love our
00:01:15.160 neighbours and to turn the other cheek. But defensive warfare is also justified through 0.99
00:01:20.780 sacred scripture and sacred tradition. Our elites expect us to believe that Christianity is a 0.55
00:01:26.040 religion of spineless pacifism with no nuance at all, but that is not the case and it has never
00:01:31.860 been. We possess a deep faith and tradition which commands strength whilst also showing the mercy
00:01:39.340 of hoping to save souls by conversion. To understand the truth of the Crusades we must
00:01:45.240 look just before the first one launched. The story properly begins in late November of 1095
00:01:51.960 in a field outside of the town of Clermont. Pope Urban II preached a sermon that would echo for
00:01:59.800 generations but the exact wording has been lost to time. Yet the essentials are clear enough.
00:02:05.660 The Byzantine Empire, the emperor himself, Alexios Komnenos, had begged the Western Church for military aid against the Seljuk Turks, whose victory at the Battle of Manzikert in 1071 had stripped the Eastern Empire of much of its military heartland.
00:02:22.480 Urban wove that appeal together with other anxieties, the sufferings of Eastern Christians under Mohammedan rule, the continued aggression and the aggressive expansion of Islam into Christian lands.
00:02:35.660 the harassment of Christian pilgrims making their way to Jerusalem,
00:02:39.460 and above all, the fact that the city of Christ's Passion,
00:02:45.400 together with the Holy Sepulchre itself,
00:02:48.480 lay in the hands of those the chroniclers called Saracens.
00:02:54.080 His hearers, we are told, answered with the cry,
00:02:58.240 Deus Vult, God wills it.
00:03:01.340 A first misconception must be dispatched here. The word crusade would have meant nothing to Urban
00:03:10.800 or to his audience, as it was a later invention to describe the distant past. Contemporaries spoke
00:03:17.600 of them as the journey, the pilgrimage, or simply the business of the cross. Those who committed
00:03:24.320 themselves were known as the men signed with the cross. This matters because the vocabulary reveals
00:03:31.540 the thing itself. The Christians did not set off as soldiers seeking war, but as pilgrims bearing
00:03:37.960 the means of self-defense. The Christian doctrine for such an idea had been assembled long before,
00:03:44.600 chiefly by Augustine of Hippo six centuries earlier. It is a common error to imagine that
00:03:49.980 christianity was straightforwardly pacifist until the crusade corrupted it or conversely that it
00:03:55.760 had always cheerfully blessed the sword the truth is subtler scattered about augustine's works such
00:04:03.300 as the city of god against faustus the manichaean and in letters to the roman officials boniface
00:04:11.200 and marcellinus augustine worked out a christian account of the just war drawing upon older roman
00:04:19.840 reflections of Cicero. War, he argued, is a tragedy, never to be loved, but it may under
00:04:27.880 certain circumstances, in certain conditions, be just. Three elements were required, and this
00:04:35.900 belief lasted a thousand years. There must be, first, legitimate authority, for private men may
00:04:42.380 not wage war. There must then be a just cause, most obviously the repelling of aggression or
00:04:49.720 the recovery of what has been wrongfully seized. Thirdly, there must be the right intention.
00:04:56.760 The aim must be peace and the correction of wrong. Augustine posited that the soldier who
00:05:02.160 kills in obedience to lawful command does not break the commandment against killing unjustly,
00:05:07.480 for he acts as the instrument of a just order rather than a private hatred.
00:05:13.080 The first pillar of the Crusades was the understanding of Augustine's teachings.
00:05:17.040 Christian charity can be a stern thing, capable of coercion in the way that a father may justly
00:05:24.700 discipline a child he loves. What Augustine loosely described, Thomas Aquinas would later
00:05:31.420 detail in depth. Writing in the 13th century, after the first crusades had come and gone,
00:05:38.240 St. Thomas Aquinas wrote the Summa Theologica, where he described the three conditions of a
00:05:43.600 just war in a very polished manner. Christian war requires the authority of the sovereign,
00:05:50.200 a just cause, and a rightful intention. Though he wrote too late to have inspired the first
00:05:56.240 exposition, his writings represent the mature teaching of the church fathers on the matter,
00:06:02.120 and it is the doctrine of the Catholic Church. Following the frameworks laid out by the church
00:06:07.660 fathers. The Crusades were sincerely believed to be a defensive war of recovery rather than one of
00:06:14.520 naked conquest. It is very important to note that the lands where the Crusaders went were Christian
00:06:21.200 for 300 years and had been suffering under the heel of Islam, Islamic domination, for centuries.
00:06:28.900 Jerusalem, Antioch, Alexandria were among the most ancient and venerable seas of the church.
00:06:35.140 In the eyes of the men of 1095, they were not seizing foreign territory, they were coming to the rescue of the conquered eastern church.
00:06:44.880 If the Crusades were pilgrimages, then by extension they were acts of penance.
00:06:51.080 Pilgrimage to Jerusalem was among the most venerable in penitential practices, a journey of hardship undertaken in reparation of sin.
00:06:59.340 the genius of the crusades was to fuse the penitential pilgrimage with just war so that
00:07:06.180 the one became the vehicle to the other the scriptural resonance was immediate and deliberate
00:07:11.940 when our lord said in the gospel of matthew verse 16 24 that whoever would come after him must take
00:07:19.280 up his cross and follow the crusaders took him at his word cutting crosses from cloth and sewing
00:07:25.020 them upon their shoulders the words of the gospel of john in verse 15 13 that greater love hath no
00:07:31.940 man than this that a man lay down his life for his friends hung over every crusader now i must
00:07:39.920 address the criticism of the demagogues that the christians went to war to buy off their past sins
00:07:45.400 in the eyes of the lord it is true that pope urban attached what would eventually be known as
00:07:51.260 indulgences to the Crusades. However, the modern and common portrayal of indulgences is nothing
00:07:57.260 like what official church teaching ever was or is. An indulgence has never been a license to sin,
00:08:04.620 nor a payment that can purchase forgiveness, nor a guaranteed passage to heaven. It is the
00:08:09.880 remission of temporal punishment, penance, due for sins already confessed and repented.
00:08:16.320 Indulgences are akin to an outward sign of inward repentance, in the same way that any
00:08:21.140 good work is. Urban's grant was hedged with conditions that are intentionally left out by
00:08:27.820 most modern writers. The conditions were precisely a retelling of Augustine's writings on just war.
00:08:34.660 The crusaders must go out of devotion alone. He must not go out for the winning of honour or for
00:08:40.640 money, and his heart must be contrite. The indulgence offered was neither the forgiveness
00:08:48.620 of sins nor the permission to sin. It was the offer of a difficult pilgrimage that would bring
00:08:55.160 you closer to the Lord and perhaps bring you to true personal repentance. Behind these arguments
00:09:02.800 stood a gallery of scriptural precedents. Foremost were the books of Maccabees which the Catholic
00:09:09.540 canon receives as inspired scripture and which the Protestant reformers would unfortunately set
00:09:14.200 side. There we read of Judas Maccabeus and his brothers taking up arms to cleanse the desecrated
00:09:21.260 temple and to defend the law of God, dying gladly rather than betray it. This is a perfect example 0.85
00:09:28.920 of a Christian just war laid out in scripture in Maccabees. The Christians also called upon 1.00
00:09:36.200 the story of the conquest of Canaan under Joshua. The Bible also contains hundreds of passages in
00:09:42.280 which the Lord is named the God of hosts, meaning that he is the supreme commander of all armies,
00:09:48.920 spiritual and otherwise. Famously in the Song of Moses, God is named as a man of war.
00:09:56.600 These texts equipped the crusaders with an ancestry of waging righteous wars,
00:10:01.860 reaching all the way back to the very foundation of the covenant.
00:10:06.240 The most clear writing we possess came from Bernard of Clairvroux. He would galvanize the
00:10:12.260 second crusade and lent his authority to the new military orders. In his treatise in praise of the
00:10:19.240 new knighthood, which he wrote for the Knights Templar, he confronted the scandal of monks who
00:10:24.640 bore swords. He drew a distinction that many have since found chilling. The knight of Christ who
00:10:30.780 kills an evildoer in a just cause does not commit homicide but malicide, a slayer of evil rather
00:10:38.040 than of man there is one matter which is yet to be resolved how does it this fit in with the
00:10:44.900 teachings of christ that seemingly command us otherwise in matthew 26 52 jesus told peter to
00:10:51.500 put away his sword saying that they who take the sword shall perish by it what of the command in
00:10:58.260 matthew 5 39 and 5 44 to resist not evil to love one's enemies and to pray for one's persecutors
00:11:05.100 these commands are why the very early church hesitated to arm itself prominent writers such
00:11:11.880 as tertullian had doubted whether a christian could bear arms at all saint augustine decisively
00:11:18.240 resolved these hesitations by distinguishing the private man from the public authority
00:11:23.060 the commands of the sermon on the mount govern the deposition the disposition of the heart
00:11:28.040 forbidding personal vengeance and private hatred those same teachings however do not strip a law
00:11:35.000 ruler of his God-given duty to protect the innocent and to restrain the wicked. This duty
00:11:41.260 necessitates that a sword be wielded but tempered with love. There remain two common liars that must
00:11:48.260 be dispelled to completely understand the Crusades. The first is that the Crusades were wars of
00:11:54.580 forced conversion. This is entirely untrue. As Catholic teaching holds and canon law affirms
00:12:01.100 that baptism compelled by force was no true baptism at all, since faith must be freely
00:12:06.080 given. The object of the expeditions was explicitly the recovery of territory and the defence of
00:12:12.000 Christians, not the conversion of Mohammedans at swordpoint. The second lie is that the wrongful
00:12:18.640 conduct of some crusaders was the rule, not the exception. This is clearly untrue. The massacres
00:12:25.020 of the pagan communities of the Rhineland in 1096, for example, were carried out by a very
00:12:30.460 small fraction of so-called crusaders who never reached the Holy Land. They didn't complete their
00:12:35.940 pilgrimage. In fact, those rogues were condemned by the bishops in charge, and the bishops went
00:12:41.680 out of their way to shelter the victims. This, however, is a case of the exception proving the
00:12:46.920 rule. Those massacres consisted of one influential leader rallying bands of locals to attack
00:12:52.680 nearby pagans, and the number of people who could be rallied to this easy task was less than a
00:12:58.140 tenth of the number of people who walked all the way across the continent to reach the holy land
00:13:02.500 to answer the controversy of the crusades is simple they were absolutely justified
00:13:11.300 in scripture in church doctrine and above all morally the bible teaches us that our authorities
00:13:19.940 exist to protect us and that the resist resistance against unjust and non-christian rule is a moral
00:13:26.980 good by the teachings of the church the crusades were perfectly compliant the retroactively named
00:13:34.580 crusades and the crusaders were sent off as pilgrims and they were sent off with contrite
00:13:41.460 hearts seeking neither glory nor conquest but the reclamation of the lands now dominated by unjust 0.63
00:13:48.420 islamic law and finally when it comes to morality the crusades were truly an act of christian love
00:13:55.620 as we are taught that no man has a greater love
00:13:59.620 than one who lays down his life for his friends.
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00:14:55.600 I am now joined by my guest, Tony Moon.
00:14:58.680 Tony is a martial artist, security consultant, and author of the soon-to-be-released Rooftop
00:15:04.720 Korean, a memoir of the 1992 LA riots.
00:15:08.460 Tony, how are you?
00:15:09.120 And thank you for joining us.
00:15:11.180 I'm doing great, Calvin.
00:15:12.160 Thanks for having me on.
00:15:12.980 It's a pleasure to be here.
00:15:14.080 All right.
00:15:14.360 It's my pleasure.
00:15:15.600 For people who don't know, before we get to what you did, run us through what were the
00:15:21.020 92 LA riots?
00:15:22.280 um those were actually a response to a verdict that came down uh from a beating that was captured
00:15:31.200 actually for the first time on video this is when camcorders started just entered the market
00:15:37.280 and they weren't as prevalent as they were afterwards um and then we had phones after but
00:15:42.340 You had LAPD shown beating a black man on the ground, and that was caught on a camcorder, and that went viral at that time.
00:15:54.340 And from that video, there was a court case that built around that.
00:15:59.340 And the verdict from that court case upset the community, and from that emotion of being upset,
00:16:07.340 being upset. And not only that, it was actually piggybacking off with a previous verdict a year
00:16:11.800 before. Their response was to basically burn and loot, you know, shop owners and businesses in
00:16:18.780 their communities. So that was the 92 rise in a nutshell, but there's a lot more layers to it.
00:16:23.940 Yeah, go ahead. It seems like nothing has changed since then. We can see the same exact parallels
00:16:28.240 with George Floyd in that there is what looks like an unjust death. I mean, we can argue about
00:16:33.720 the ins and outs of the legalities of all that, but the response to that is looting and rioting
00:16:38.700 and violence. How is that going to help anything? Why does this never seem to change?
00:16:44.160 Well, because I put the blame on the media, right? And then the media basically focuses on
00:16:50.040 certain characters that create divisive emotions within the community. I'll give you an example,
00:16:59.220 like um uh Maxine Waters um she's been around since the 92 riots and she was around during
00:17:06.980 the George Floyd riots the Antifa what I call what they call the George Floyd riots I call
00:17:11.180 the Antifa BLM riots because those are actually manufactured and um you actually I saw a video
00:17:16.880 of people getting paid um you know to create mayhem on the streets back in 2020 so uh totally
00:17:24.220 different you know one way i feel was a little bit more organic which spun into um a riot that
00:17:29.980 is now perhaps being um misconceived in terms of who the protagonists antagonists were and who some
00:17:36.780 of the players were in you know about 34 years ago but yeah it was actually um you know a lot
00:17:43.580 of the players now then are still around now they're fomenting a lot of this uh decisiveness
00:17:49.020 between races between cultures when we're all just americans you know we just want to all
00:17:53.340 live in america and we just you know we want to get along you know as someone said aptly you know
00:17:58.220 after the rice ran did uh that was coined by uh rodney king you know he just he said can't
00:18:04.860 we all get along you know i mean i think can't we all just get along yeah i just want to drive
00:18:10.940 through and smoke marathon crack and want to get home but i got stopped you know i didn't comply
00:18:17.420 and i got beaten but at the end i just want everybody to get along stop resisting well yes
00:18:23.340 well tony the truth of the matter is that uh the enemy wants us all divided right the enemy wants
00:18:29.600 us fighting among themselves and i understand you're a christian yourself this is part of the
00:18:34.840 world view that we're seeing right now play out in front of us in that this is supposed to be a
00:18:38.180 christian nation and we're seeing this there's a rinse and repeat of the media says these are
00:18:43.700 mostly peaceful riots as people are literally looting and setting fire to cause behind them
00:18:47.700 and so it's perpetuated by an enemy that hates us and wants to destroy the family unit wants
00:18:53.300 to smash heteronormativity, wants black people to be held down, holding themselves down and 0.63
00:18:59.340 living in a violent sub-community within a wider community. But there's only one truth that can 0.57
00:19:04.540 fix all of this, and that's Jesus Christ, right? Amen to that. Yeah. Amen to that. And I think
00:19:09.120 that's the problem right now. When I say the media, I mean just visual entertainment in general
00:19:15.820 and how they're portraying Christians on TV, especially in America. We've been portrayed
00:19:23.020 as ned flanders for a really long time you know bumbling you know goofy out of step you know
00:19:28.620 blocky you know not understanding the times that we're living and when i think of all people we
00:19:33.740 understand the times that we're living in more so than anybody else and i what i've noticed
00:19:38.940 i know i know this is kind of we're open topic about this but i noticed this trend also happening
00:19:43.740 in south korea there's a betrayal for the media to look to view christians in that in that region
00:19:50.460 as being very radical on a step you know not being in tune with things you know the same thing that
00:19:56.540 um the american media did to christians here you know so i think part of the perception right now
00:20:02.460 is how uh christians are being portrayed and um i think one of the things they they get wrong is
00:20:09.340 that not all of us are like that you know and that i think that's the misstep they're going to have
00:20:14.060 because some of us are very very different yeah absolutely different and yeah i do want to get
00:20:19.660 get back to Korea, and we'll circle around to that. But you were known as a Roof Korean.
00:20:24.700 So let's break that down to the people. We talked about the riots kicking off and 0.99
00:20:28.340 some of the alluded purposes behind the riots. But once they were kicking off,
00:20:32.900 where was the police presence? And what were you doing as a response?
00:20:37.440 Right. So initially, there was a presence. I think that was when the verdict was delivered
00:20:44.960 it on Wednesday, there was a presence to basically maintain order on the streets
00:20:49.880 because the flashpoint was on Normandy and Florence, Florence Normandy.
00:20:54.560 That's where you have the scene of Reginald Denny being pulled out of his truck
00:20:58.640 as he's making that turn and being assaulted and eventually hit with a cinder
00:21:02.720 block and then splayed out on the street.
00:21:06.760 But that's the flashpoint.
00:21:08.720 I think there was a presence there.
00:21:10.400 And then on Thursday is when it got really bad.
00:21:12.520 And that's when the call went out, not
00:21:14.960 officially, but to kind of step away from the community at large.
00:21:19.540 And LA County is a large community, and we're not talking just Koreatown.
00:21:23.140 We're talking about South LA, South Central, you know, just the LAPD presence at that
00:21:28.580 time, even though there was no official order, it was to kind of take a hands off
00:21:31.940 approach. And, you know, to a point, it is understandable because they were being
00:21:37.520 firefighters are being shot at as they're trying to put out these fires.
00:21:40.720 So police were running a lot of escorts and the police are also being targeted at
00:21:44.700 that time too. So, um, I think the, the, the numbers worked out to at the back in 92, where
00:21:51.240 for every one uniform officer, you had about 60 to about, I think it's either 60 or 600 gang members
00:21:58.880 per officer at that time. So, uh, so by Thursday, um, there was no more police presence. And that's
00:22:06.020 when the distress call went out from radio Korea, which, um, ironically I will be hosting a show,
00:22:11.080 uh come at the beginning of august um but yeah the call went out and then on friday is when we
00:22:16.460 all responded and i was part of the younger generation that went out the older generations
00:22:20.500 are the iconic photos that you see right now on rooftops you know on the roof line but i was part
00:22:26.520 of the young crowd we were like 1920 in our early 20s late teens so we have a different story than
00:22:32.360 the older generation that's detailed in my book yeah so what was the call that went out on radio
00:22:37.040 career and how did you respond to it right it was just a general distress call it was in korean
00:22:42.700 and i didn't receive it um i went out because a friend called me that night on wednesday um
00:22:48.540 thursday evening asking if i can join him to go help protect his brothers stereo shop which was
00:22:53.820 down by um uh vermont and no actually hoover hoover and um washington right north of the freeway
00:23:01.360 because the idea the thought at that time was that black community was going to move up north
00:23:05.100 the korean to koreatown because of all that was happening south central south la but uh it was
00:23:11.100 very different turn of events on our friday when we arrived uh in koreatown and we ended up battling
00:23:17.660 a different group that we had no idea we're actually going to be you know joined in the
00:23:21.900 the chaos and the mayhem that you know resulted from the verdict and everything that transpired
00:23:26.540 that week and you're a martial artist already so did that pay off um i think to be real
00:23:35.100 Martial arts is great when you're open-handed,
00:23:38.000 hand-to-hand confronting, but when it comes down to,
00:23:40.600 I think, I want to call a Koreatown at
00:23:43.860 that time was a war zone or battlefield.
00:23:46.160 It's better to be armed with a rifle or a pistol.
00:23:50.540 But yeah, open-hand self-defense is truly important.
00:23:54.960 But at that time, I think the Second Amendment came into
00:23:58.800 play and worked well for us and we use it in a fashion that was law-abiding. 0.99
00:24:04.440 and also, you know, I think would make the founders proud because it was against a group
00:24:11.260 that I think had some designs and idea that they were going to take advantage of us at
00:24:17.080 that time.
00:24:18.080 So shots were fired?
00:24:20.840 Lots of shots were fired.
00:24:22.880 I actually recently connected with David Ju, who was one of the gentlemen in the video
00:24:28.040 that you see wearing the gray vest, taking shots with his handgun.
00:24:32.800 on Western between 8th and 9th Street. And I call him one of the Western Plaza defenders.
00:24:38.680 And when he was there, and I had dinner with him, we spoke and he told me the reason, the
00:24:44.440 only reason why he was shooting a pistol, and they call him on camera is because they
00:24:49.060 ran out of rifle rounds. But before that, they were actually using long guns in their
00:24:55.640 battle, but they ran out of ammunition. So they had to resort to using handguns. So there's
00:25:01.260 a lesson in that meaning you can never have enough ammo there is a lesson in that my producers
00:25:05.400 always saying this you need to bulk buy ammo make sure you still pile ammo how many you never have
00:25:10.940 enough how many people were firing um i think anyone who had a firearm at that point and they
00:25:18.880 were being shot at i think everybody has a different story because we're all scattered
00:25:23.360 throughout koreatown which is about maybe uh i think it's a two and a half mile radius um you
00:25:28.980 know, area. But when you look at it, it's really large when you're looking at just pockets
00:25:33.340 of defenders in different neighborhoods. But yeah, from what I've, you know, understood,
00:25:40.440 like it was really different, depending on what part of Koreatown you're at. But I, I
00:25:45.640 recall that it got so to a point where the gunshots became white noise that way, because
00:25:50.980 there's so many. So as long as they weren't close by, you weren't alarmed or concerned
00:25:55.340 because they were kind of far off.
00:25:57.040 It's when they were kind of approaching
00:25:58.320 that you would pay a little bit more attention.
00:25:59.780 So there's a certain amount of adaptability that you have
00:26:04.760 when a situation like that occurs,
00:26:06.800 where when you hear a single gunshot,
00:26:10.700 you're a little bit more alarmed.
00:26:11.880 But when so many are going off during the week,
00:26:13.680 they just become kind of background noise.
00:26:15.880 That's crazy to me.
00:26:16.760 As a Brit hearing about that,
00:26:18.660 there was so much shooting going off
00:26:20.320 that it became background noise.
00:26:22.240 How did the situation get resolved?
00:26:25.340 Well, by Friday, I think, you know, most of the heavy lifting was done on Friday, because a lot of the shooting occurred on Friday. And then Saturday is when the National Guard showed up, and they basically, you know, rolled in. And I think that presence helped. But I think by Friday, everyone was kind of exhausted. You know, I mean, like I said, you run out of ammo, too. You know, what you can do is start throwing sticks and stones at each other, you know, shooting arrows. I mean, you know, I mean, I think,
00:26:55.340 There's a point where that chaos and that lawlessness comes to a head, even for a lot
00:27:01.120 of the gangs in LA at that time, because you get shot at too, and then your homie gets
00:27:07.560 hurt and they got to go to the hospital.
00:27:09.500 And so all the fun and game starts to kind of peter out when the realism hits towards,
00:27:14.200 I guess, towards the end of the day in the evening when you kind of take a look at who's
00:27:18.540 hurt and who got shot, what's happened.
00:27:21.000 Do you know how many people were injured?
00:27:24.780 I don't know the numbers off count, but I heard it's a lot.
00:27:27.480 And I think the body count was a bit high that week too.
00:27:31.380 I mean, we're, we're attributed to shooting one of our own.
00:27:33.760 I think I see that online, like, Hey, they shot one of their own, but there's 0.75
00:27:37.580 no count of how much we actually shot, uh, because of, uh, the Western defenders
00:27:42.580 were resorted to using their handguns after they ran like rifle rounds that I
00:27:47.440 can only imagine of all the rounds that were spent that week and that they shot
00:27:51.520 they must have hit at least one guy or two guys you know and i don't think with their military
00:27:56.320 background they're bad shots i think they hit a lot of their mark you know so um it's hard to say
00:28:01.920 i know some people have stats on that you know but i've never really dug it i've always looked
00:28:05.920 at the human factor in terms of what was the psychological cost of that what's the cultural
00:28:11.600 repercussions of that moving forward you know um and then now that i can see this after um 30 years
00:28:18.640 now that i'm in my 50s and i went out there when i was a late teen uh what's been there you know
00:28:23.920 like more so for me what's been the cultural implications of that you know and as a country
00:28:28.720 what have we learned and where we move on from that and i can honestly say that there are bad
00:28:32.960 actors in this country that keep us held back you know that don't let us progress forward not in the
00:28:38.640 way where we're thinking like dei like well progressing forward but in a way with that
00:28:43.840 helps kind of move our country forward where we were um at a time when we're competing with the 0.70
00:28:48.720 soviets you know uh we were very competitive we everything was pretty much a lot of things were
00:28:54.160 based on merit you know true merit like your effort you know and america was a place that
00:28:59.120 people wanted to immigrate to because it was a place where you can raise your family you know
00:29:04.240 build a business you know you can be creative here and that's what i think a lot of people miss
00:29:09.280 is that with communism that creativity goes away because everything is copied plagiarized stolen
00:29:14.880 corrupted whatnot i think under you know i don't want to say capitalism but when you have free will
00:29:20.800 and thought and people are allowed to express themselves that's when you have a lot of the
00:29:25.280 innovations that technology and art a lot of creativity happens when people are allowed to
00:29:31.040 just free thing things you know so i think in that sense um you know i'm surprised with how
00:29:38.560 how far little we've progressed in the 30 awesome odd years since the 92 riots and i think that's
00:29:44.240 another reason why i'm i've written my book um i want to do a radio show on a podcast because at
00:29:49.520 this point i want to add my voice because i see a lot of other people who have less experience
00:29:54.640 less knowledge and um of what's happened that are you know adding their voice to the cultural mix so
00:30:01.440 you know i i want to do the same but i think i can make a bigger impact yeah remind me when the book
00:30:05.840 is out because i need to grab a copy of this september 15th it's on amazon too calvin you can
00:30:12.000 just put my name and you'll find it on amazon i will do you mentioned the western defenders had
00:30:17.120 a lot of experience were there a lot of um korean war vets involved yes there were
00:30:24.000 uh when the call went out so so the story is this um the call went out in korean right so a lot of
00:30:29.280 us younger guys we're not really in tune with like korean radio and whatnot right so we're doing our
00:30:33.840 own thing but as soon as they got the call they organized and they went out and they kind of
00:30:38.320 formed pockets of resistance but you have to remember this is before cell phone technology
00:30:42.720 so a lot of it was word of mouth and who knows who and very clickish in terms of how people work so
00:30:47.840 it's not like everybody knew everybody so it's very loosely organized and um you can the best
00:30:53.920 way i can describe this thing it's a militia right it's a militia that went out um and that basically
00:30:59.440 protected the community and the militia had experience because of mandatory you know um
00:31:04.800 you know service that's required in korea right some of them actually were war veterans like you
00:31:10.160 said too that's amazing to me did the u.s government and or any law forces try to clamp
00:31:17.200 down upon you and or the elder generation um retaliation afterwards yeah there was an attempt
00:31:24.960 um see but at the time i was 19 and i wasn't in tune with any of that i mean for me it was just
00:31:30.240 like i'm gonna go out my friend you know i'm not thinking about the legal repercussions the
00:31:34.560 cultural implications or whatnot i just want to do my own 19 year old thing but what i've heard
00:31:39.920 and read afterwards was that um there was an attempt to um go after some of these people that
00:31:46.080 that we're defending, especially because some of them actually
00:31:49.920 didn't use registered firearms.
00:31:51.360 I mean, firearms were given out that week because it's an emergency situation.
00:31:55.560 So you had Korean gun store owners saying, listen, it's kind of crazy out there.
00:31:59.100 There's a box of ammo.
00:32:00.900 Here's a nine or here's whatever.
00:32:02.580 Just bring it back when all this settles down and we'll call it a day.
00:32:05.840 So it was kind of based on an honor system, and that's what happened.
00:32:09.900 And I think that really kind of plays into the fact that you need a community.
00:32:14.700 So if you have a community and you're defending community,
00:32:17.420 then you're not so much concerned about the legalness of what's going on
00:32:22.160 because what's happening is obviously totally outside the scope of norm.
00:32:27.020 To me, this is what the founding fathers were talking about.
00:32:29.500 This is like the most American thing ever.
00:32:31.220 This is the purpose of you being armed, having guns.
00:32:34.080 This whole registration of guns and government, 0.60
00:32:36.420 knowing how many you've got or who's purchased them, that's un-American. 0.87
00:32:39.540 You guys distributing them to defend your own community,
00:32:41.660 that's the most American thing I've heard all day.
00:32:43.080 Yeah.
00:32:44.080 Yeah.
00:32:45.080 So after it was all done, then yeah, they returned the firearms and they settled that.
00:32:49.180 But there was, no, they had some issues with the fact that unregistered firearms were being
00:32:54.960 used in the community.
00:32:56.180 So well, that's the government for you, right?
00:32:58.840 I mean, it's like they're going to nitpick the law abiding guy, not the criminal.
00:33:02.940 And that's another thing that I'm going to, I have a bone to pick with just everything
00:33:07.100 in general.
00:33:08.100 And that's in my book, is the fact that like all these legislations designed against Joe
00:33:13.000 public versus you know john criminal who gets away with everything it's so true if it happened today
00:33:19.000 how do you think it would have gone differently um i think depending on the area i mean if it's
00:33:26.200 let's just say for hypothetical purposes that it's koreatown again um it'd probably be better
00:33:31.560 coordinated and then koreatown has changed a bit too i mean it's no longer uh very korean as it
00:33:36.360 was before when i was growing up back in like the late 80s early 90s it's gotten more gentrified
00:33:42.760 So it might be different in that sense, where you don't have as many Korean
00:33:48.480 businesses that are clumped together a little bit more further apart.
00:33:51.360 But I think the defense would probably go the same, but more coordinated because
00:33:56.520 one, there's cell phone technology, and two, if it happens after September the 15th,
00:34:01.400 in my book, there's a bit of a manual in terms of how to handle a situation like
00:34:06.000 that when it happens.
00:34:08.120 Yeah, so hopefully somebody has a copy of my book when that happens.
00:34:12.080 I like that. Planning ahead. I started to circle back around to Korea.
00:34:16.040 Talk to us what's going on with the Christian communities in Korea right now.
00:34:19.020 What's the divide between North and South like after Trump?
00:34:23.680 So here's my understanding of it. And, you know, I don't know where you're going to post this,
00:34:28.480 but I'm sure there's going to be comment sections that's either going to take away or add to what I'm saying.
00:34:32.240 So my understanding of it is this. In April of 2020, the Koreans had their own election.
00:34:38.780 And on that election, because it was during the height of the pandemic, COVID, it was run very differently.
00:34:45.600 There was mail-in ballots, you know, and this is the first time a lot of the liberals or leftists actually kind of got into office.
00:34:52.920 And then we had our elections in November of 2020.
00:34:56.120 So there was some talk that I think got buried between April and November when our elections occurred,
00:35:03.160 that this Korean election was just kind of a test run for our election in terms of what they were
00:35:08.460 doing there to bring it over here, right? Because they're not going to run something full-blown here
00:35:12.140 unless they run it somewhere else first. So I think that's the chatter. And now what's happening
00:35:16.560 is that there was a recent election where I think the count is being looked at differently because
00:35:22.140 some of the ballots are looking very suspicious because they look like they were all pre-printed.
00:35:26.580 It doesn't look like it ever fell into human hands, was touched, right? Because they're all
00:35:31.320 they sorted and stocked and they're all being fed into the machine.
00:35:34.480 So there's an issue regarding that.
00:35:36.080 And one of the things that I think most people don't understand
00:35:41.020 is that Korea is technically, South Korea is technically still at war with the North
00:35:45.460 because what was signed was an armistice.
00:35:47.580 It was never a peace treaty, right?
00:35:49.120 So we're actually, the US is actually still in support of the South Korean.
00:35:55.320 Well, not, I don't know about this government,
00:35:57.420 you know, probably on paper, but this government.
00:35:59.320 but um we're actually their strongest ally so if there is ever an investigation
00:36:07.080 sorry was that that's a controversial statement yeah i know i know that's going to probably bring
00:36:12.360 up a lot of comments but we're supposed to be the strongest ally you know so um if there is
00:36:17.720 uh an investigation and there is you know um you know it's uncovered that north korea or even you
00:36:24.360 you know, communist China was involved with election interference there as they've done here,
00:36:29.420 which I think statistically the odds are hugely, you know, in favor of that. And, you know, 0.95
00:36:35.900 that kind of puts us in a quandary in terms of what do we do now? I mean, you know, do we let
00:36:40.740 that go? Or, you know, are there repercussions that come from that? You know, so. Yeah, we're
00:36:45.500 going to see how it plays out. Tony, do you do Taekwondo? I used to. I'm actually a second
00:36:50.320 degree block in Taekwondo. I do. I've done Wing Chun. I've done some Judo. I do Filipino martial
00:36:58.980 arts. I've done Kendo. I've done some Jiu Jitsu. I'm not a ground guy. I don't like rolling on
00:37:08.540 the ground with some guy. This is why I take one though. It's all about kicking. I've got long
00:37:13.040 legs. Is this perfect?
00:37:14.040 No, I've done weaponry too. And then like bladed work, stick, open hand, and then a lot
00:37:22.800 of that translates into firearms as well, like proper stance for firearms and whatnot.
00:37:28.080 I do have, yeah, I do have experience with firearms, but not in the conventional sense.
00:37:32.280 I just leave it at that until my book comes out.
00:37:34.800 Okay, I think every every man should have at least a martial art and some firearms training.
00:37:40.540 I think that'll be good for our society.
00:37:42.540 Yes, absolutely. I mean, that's another thing. I mean, everything's been so feminized, right? I mean, if you're a kid, a boy who happens to have a lot of energy, they want to drug him and kind of tie him down. But boys are supposed to be like that. They're supposed to be rambunctious and full of energy. So I think we're not doing a good job channeling that. But yeah, definitely martial arts and firearms training. It's a must.
00:38:09.720 let the boys climb trees for goodness sake. Tony, I imagine there's some of this in your book,
00:38:15.240 but what is some of the practical steps you give people to preparing for something like this?
00:38:20.620 A lot of it is mindset, right? I think most people walk around thinking that it's not going
00:38:25.900 to happen to them. That's the biggest problem. And that's what I've noticed is that it's not
00:38:30.540 going to happen to me. And mindset is probably 80% of it. And 20% is all the nuts and bolts of
00:38:38.420 things, right? But yeah, I don't know how to relay that because that's a personal experience thing.
00:38:45.620 I can only relay that through the stories that I've written in my book in terms of, you know,
00:38:49.760 kind of sharing that and then helping someone kind of understand, you know, where you have to be
00:38:56.020 mentally for that. That's why I have a gym. I actually own, I co-own a mixed martial arts gym
00:39:02.380 too so uh some of the guys that i train these are younger guys um these are like uh the youngest
00:39:08.380 guys there's like um the youngest person there's like 15 uh older guys like in their 30s and they're
00:39:14.220 kids to me i call them they're my kid their kids but they're in their 30s right so i kind of help
00:39:18.060 prepare for that for with them you know for that as well uh but yeah um in the book it's mindset i
00:39:24.380 i do go over some nuts and bolts right um but it's 80 is mindset i'm with you entirely i'm
00:39:31.500 not a prepper, but I'm always assuming that this kind of thing could happen to us.
00:39:36.040 And it probably will happen again, because we're living in a cyclical nature of society.
00:39:41.220 What's your gym? Let people know, because there will be viewers and listeners from all over the
00:39:45.080 country. Yeah, actually, it's in Highland Park,
00:39:49.620 Northeast LA. You can't see it from the street. You have to climb up steps. There's no sign.
00:39:55.860 I do a really bad job marketing it. You can only get there if you meet me and we talk and I give
00:40:02.660 you the address, but it's in Highland Park. I'd be more than happy to share more about it,
00:40:08.800 but I got to get a sign and whatnot. Actually, the gym was created back in 2021 when we were
00:40:13.500 protesting against COVID and the mandates in LA, and some of the guys needed a place to train,
00:40:20.840 and there happened to be a gym across the hall that we trained at, and then the space opened
00:40:25.260 across you know on the other side so we ended up leasing that place and then that's where the gym
00:40:29.700 ended up and um that's how i ended up opening gym but it was it was pretty much i want to say it's
00:40:34.880 a fluke but it's not because i think god's hand has a lot to do with everything that we do
00:40:38.340 so in that sense i think it was he made me do something i didn't want to do which was open a
00:40:42.880 gym so yeah providential uh when i visit uh dc there's a korean church that i go to very close
00:40:49.660 community all very faithful and there's almost a there's a kind of ethnic tradition to their
00:40:56.620 worship style do you go to a korean church in la um no i i've been to a few korean churches and just
00:41:03.800 i think they're more some of them are i think they're more social clubs than churches you know
00:41:08.720 i love i love korean people i love everybody but i've noticed that and um i i'm going to tell you
00:41:15.340 this because, you know, you're of the faith, but I've been asked to leave a couple of churches
00:41:19.480 because I asked too many questions like, like, why do you guys do this ministry? How come, like,
00:41:24.860 where does the money go? And, you know, why do these things happen? And so we do church,
00:41:30.920 I do church at home with the kids. And then we read the Bible because I've, you know, I grew up
00:41:34.980 in church life and I've seen church life. And I know the hypocrisy that's in churches, you know,
00:41:40.660 especially with young people, especially a lot of the, you know, if you have any Korean viewers
00:41:44.660 and followers they know what i'm talking about a lot of the korean churches where a lot of the
00:41:49.140 young people will go and party out actually in my generation i don't know about the next this
00:41:52.860 generation but we a lot of us partied out on fridays and saturdays and we went to church on
00:41:57.160 sundays like you know sobering up at church on sundays and do all that stuff over again on during
00:42:02.300 the week so um i found that it's easier if i have a direct connection with my kids and i have that
00:42:08.360 communication with them instead of having a youth pastor or someone try to tell them you know
00:42:13.100 whatever you know i think it's best they hear it from me and then everyone else's opinions is
00:42:17.420 secondary you know because then they can kind of you know hear but they hear it from me first
00:42:21.220 because if anybody has my kids best intention in mind it's me i don't think we do need to get back
00:42:26.800 to parents realizing they are the primary caregivers and they are responsible for their
00:42:30.620 children who belong to god but and i think you're right to you know if you're asking questions about
00:42:35.380 where money is going and what and which ministries are being funded and people try and push you out
00:42:39.900 I think, you know, you're right to push back against that.
00:42:42.400 But I will say that, you know, we're called to be church with each other.
00:42:46.240 And so just as your kids need you, you need other men around you in a church setting to
00:42:50.060 hold you accountable and that you can hold accountable.
00:42:52.020 So I would advise you to find a solid church that you can feel a part of.
00:42:56.380 I really appreciate that, Calvin.
00:42:58.600 And I do have men that hold me accountable.
00:43:00.540 So I don't get away.
00:43:03.340 I wish I can tell you I get away with stuff.
00:43:05.240 But I don't try to get away with stuff either, because, you know, he's always watching.
00:43:09.160 god's always watching so why even bother you know just live openly and honestly before god's face
00:43:14.760 and before man and you know everything will be fine yeah and in regards to your kids do you
00:43:19.360 homeschool them by the way just curious because you saw yes you would yeah yes they were homeschooled
00:43:23.880 um after covid um and then my son just graduated so um he's turning 18 in september uh he's a
00:43:32.100 korean kid working at a korean noodle shop i love it well i know you're i'm gonna nickname
00:43:38.860 and poe i know you're having a vacation with your kids so i'll let you get back to them but i
00:43:45.400 appreciate your time tony god bless you for what you do and all you've done and let people know
00:43:50.200 where they can find you um on twitter uh or x you can find me on x uh also uh radio korea uh the
00:43:58.500 show will start in august uh so you can find me there as well and then um on instagram i think
00:44:03.920 we're going to build building out the social media on instagram but yeah i'm going to try
00:44:08.700 to be around more so you can find me on most social media platforms and just to remind people
00:44:13.560 that is rooftop korean a memoir of the 1992 la riots by tony moon you can order it on amazon
00:44:19.740 right now thank you tony thank you galvan great great to be here thank you thank you for watching
00:44:26.260 another episode of the next crusade here on nxr studios it's been a blast i enjoy having the
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