The NXR Podcast - October 04, 2022


THEOLOGY APPLIED - Recovering A Faithful Christian Witness

Hosted by
Joel Webbon Harrison Smith Antonio Griffith Dale Partridge Wewsley Todd Calvin Robinson
Mentioned
Mark Hamill Mike Howard Joel Webin Jesus Christ Jamie White Joseph Boot Gary DeMar Samuel Say Proverbs Martin Kings
DAILY TRUTH - All Christians Need a Shepherd BONUS - Costi Hinn, Michael O’Fallon, Doug Wilson, & The Rarity Of Repentance

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Pastor Joel Webbin and Mark Hamilton talk about what it's like being a pastor in a city where 17 babies were murdered in the streets of Buffalo, New York. Pastor Webbin: "The gospel is at the bottom of it all, before the flock." Mark Hamilton: "I want it to be an example to the flock that the gospel is the only worldview that matters."

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00:00:00 Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Hold it. Big announcement, a scary announcement, a threat,
00:00:06 but also a promise. The price of our conference, the post-millennial and theonomy conference,
00:00:11 it's going up. It's going up right after Reformation Day. We are going to hold the
00:00:16 price at $100, which is super cheap for a three-day conference with Dr. James White,
00:00:20 Dr. Joseph Boot, Dr. Gary DeMar, and the guy who's not a doctor, so we'll say Pastor Joel
00:00:25 Webbin. We've got a great conference, May 5th, 6th, and 7th in Georgetown, Texas, just north of
00:00:31 Austin for a hundred bucks, super cheap, but we can't hold that price forever. So if you want to
00:00:37 get into that price, you got to get in now, right after Reformation Day, not Halloween, Reformation
00:00:43 Day, October 31st. That's the last day that you can get in this conference, register at the price
00:00:48 of a hundred bucks. After that, starting November 1st, it's going to be 130. So go to right response
00:00:55 rightresponseconference.com, rightresponseconference.com, and register today. Thanks.
00:01:01 Applying God's Word to every aspect of life. This is Theology Applied.
00:01:11 Hey guys, this is Pastor Joel Webin with Right Response Ministries. I'm so privileged to be
00:01:15 here right now at the Truth Matters Conference. The host is Mark Hamilton. This is his church,
00:01:22 his sanctuary that we're sitting in right here. It's Faithful Stones in Buffalo, New York. And
00:01:27 what we're doing is multiple sessions, multiple speakers. We've got Samuel Say, we've got Mike
00:01:32 Harding. Is that how you pronounce it? Yep. Mike Harding. So multiple speakers, multiple pastors
00:01:37 and writers and Christian leaders, but we don't just have conference lectures and meetings. We're
00:01:43 actually taking this conference to the streets. And so Marcus designed it and orchestrated the
00:01:48 conference that way. We just got done going to an abortion mill where 17 babies just this morning
00:01:55 in Buffalo, New York have been ripped apart in their mother's wombs. And we went to preach the
00:02:01 gospel, to preach God's law and gospel. And we experienced, guys, you tell me if I'm wrong,
00:02:07 but we experienced a lot of women that were just very broken victims, correct or no?
00:02:14 um no um you know um i think actually mark mentioned that there was a lady who as she
00:02:24 was driving by uh said that you know she's very proud of her abortion that she's celebrating she
00:02:29 was dancing as she's saying it um there are some women who of course after after after they've 0.99
00:02:35 repented um they are horrified about their abortion but um the a lot of unrepentant women
00:02:43 who are post-abortive celebrate their abortion because they celebrate the so-called freedom
00:02:49 they have over their abortion.
00:02:51 So the idea that a woman who murders her child as a victim is horrific. 1.00
00:02:58 It's a ridiculous idea. 0.99
00:03:01 Martin, you're right here. 0.98
00:03:02 You're doing this every week, right?
00:03:03 Don't you go to the abortion mill every week?
00:03:04 So we have some kind of gospel reach every single week, starting with Monday.
00:03:09 we're out in the corner in the middle of the mess, as I call it, in this city. And then we
00:03:14 branch out into the abortion mills around the city. Today was a great day because God's people
00:03:21 were on the front lines trying to rescue those that are being led to the slaughter.
00:03:27 And yeah, we have some kind of outreach every week. Mainly, again, an extension after the
00:03:35 Lord's Day, we go out of these four walls, stand on the corner, and preach the gospel to this city.
00:03:43 Real quick, in addition to that, I was shocked. I knew you were right here on ground zero,
00:03:48 but when I showed up to your church, and you could literally, I mean, I know this is an
00:03:52 expression, but literally I could throw a rock and hit the memorial for the Buffalo mass shooting
00:03:57 that took place. It's right in your backyard. The top store is right there. I can see it from
00:04:01 your church parking lot. I mean, you're right in the heat of it. Can you talk, what was that like
00:04:06 as a black pastor in Buffalo? All of a sudden you've got a white supremacist, all these things 0.93
00:04:11 go down. What has it been like to pastor in this city through the chaos? Well, it has been tough
00:04:19 physically as another image bearer watches image bearers suffer. It was tough, but the gospel is at
00:04:28 the bottom of it all, before it all. And what burdened my heart and what is the impetus of
00:04:35 this conference is the lack of a truthful gospel worldview to explain the evil that happened.
00:04:45 There were days without Christ, without his gospel, without hope, and that burdened me.
00:04:53 And I want it. I want it to be an example, not only to the flock that I serve and shepherd, but I wanted to be an example to the community to say there is hope in Jesus Christ, not vengeance, not this vitriol that these wrong emotions that are being stirred up.
00:05:12 the gospel is sufficient. His scriptures are sufficient if we would just use them. And so
00:05:18 that has been, that's how I got through it. Just like I get through a message, just like I get
00:05:24 through counseling the sheep, I present it and just did actionable. And we just basically
00:05:32 extended what we normally do to the wider community after this happened.
00:05:37 yeah um mark and i have been talking for over a year now about me coming here and doing some work
00:05:45 here and again like you i knew he was right at the center of this issue and you told me again
00:05:50 it happened in your neighborhood and i knew that but still it's when we went uh yesterday when we
00:05:56 were preaching the gospel outside and then we're just a short walk away you're seeing um just a
00:06:02 memorial. It is saddening. But what's even more saddening is people who are even closer than we
00:06:09 were to memorial were selling drugs right there while we were preaching. And then today, while
00:06:15 we are at the murder mill, the so-called abortion clinic, teaching truth and the gospel and trying
00:06:23 to save babies and people's souls, there are people who are, as we said, celebrating that
00:06:29 people are being murdered there and these same people would be people who are probably at the
00:06:35 memorial saying how could anyone do this right when you know the mass shooting was horrific it
00:06:41 killed it killed uh 10 people and injured three more well today we learned that before we showed
00:06:47 up 17 people had already been killed they'd be no memorials for them right and in fact it would even
00:06:52 celebrate this um so you know and what's fascinating too is um i know that the white
00:06:59 supremacist he researched the most populated black area um to find so that he would kill the most 0.93
00:07:06 the biggest number of i guess black people well the murder mill has the exact same thinking too 0.99
00:07:12 they know this is a primarily black area so they bring their um their murderous intentions here so 1.00
00:07:22 they can kill as many people as possible including as many black people as possible but yet again 0.99
00:07:26 while we were there we were being shamed for being there when you know they were supposedly 0.99
00:07:32 I mean we know they are grieving that 10 people were killed at the mass you know the mass shooting
00:07:37 but there are mass murderers at this clinic or at this mill and sadly we are one of the very few
00:07:44 people in the city what you are you know one of the very few people in the city that is you know 0.94
00:07:51 that hates all injustice, whether it's from the white supremacist who wants to kill people who 0.97
00:07:56 are born or the white supremacist, the evil people at abortion centers, murder mills who 0.99
00:08:04 are killing babies and people before they're born. And I think what was tragic to see, 0.99
00:08:13 I was standing and I've ministered outside abortion mills for a little while now. And
00:08:17 one of the things that you see as the women are going in, we have three after that 17 that went 1.00
00:08:22 in that we pleaded with that looked at us. Only one kind of hesitated and listened for a second 0.97
00:08:30 and the rest, they wouldn't even acknowledge it. They had already suppressed the truth in
00:08:35 their unrighteousness. And we even had people turning up the music in their cars to drown out
00:08:40 the truth they were suppressing literally it's a visible sign of suppressing the truth
00:08:47 turning up your music in your car and and and what is just heartbreaking is that at the same time so
00:08:56 we're we're out there we see the tragedy that's happening we know that the women aren't victims
00:09:00 going in they're they're just clearly making this decision that they premeditated on
00:09:08 to murder their child, to have their child murdered. Some of them even having to go to
00:09:13 a pharmacy to get the pill and then come back so that they can be watched while they murder their
00:09:19 child. So that's time that you're thinking about what you're doing. It's not just a happenstance
00:09:25 thing. It's premeditated. Absolutely. And when I think about the idea of equal justice and equal
00:09:33 protection. We were yelling that equal rights. You preached on it, Joel, as they were in their
00:09:39 car. And I remember one of the people just screaming out, like rejecting it, rejecting
00:09:44 the idea that that baby deserves equal protection and equal justice. But the reaction that you're
00:09:49 saying, it's so key. Our listeners need to hear this. The reaction was not that, um, as I'm
00:09:52 preaching about equal justice and equal protections, that the reaction is not that they're sitting in
00:09:57 their car with their heads sunk low crying. No, the reaction is, is, um, visible rage screaming
00:10:05 like lots of middle fingers, lots of, you know, that that's what people need to recognize. This
00:10:11 is not, um, people, Oh, they just don't know it's a baby, right? So it's not the, uh, the victimhood
00:10:15 of ignorance and a lack of education. It's not the victim victimhood of, of difficult circumstances.
00:10:21 And I have no other choice, but I really don't want to do this. This is not your, um, your,
00:10:26 grandmother's safe, legal, and rare. That was always a lie. Always a lie. This is shouted from
00:10:36 the rooftop. This is throw an abortion party afterwards and celebrate your abortion. And we
00:10:42 heard that. You hear these libs of TikTok, you know, you hear it on a Matt Wall show or something
00:10:47 and you're like, but that's the minority. No, no, no. We saw it this morning. We were there for an
00:10:51 hour, one day for one hour. And we literally shouting their abortion, celebrating their
00:10:57 abortion. I got an abortion and I'm proud that that is not the minority. That is the, the, 0.98
00:11:04 the orthodox, um, common position of those who stand for death. Mark, you were going to say
00:11:11 something. No, I was just wanting to piggyback on the guy that walked through the crowd with
00:11:16 his two dogs in his broken logic. You know, you have, because you're a male, because you're a
00:11:23 male, you can't say anything. What do you mean? You can't have an opinion was his exact words.
00:11:28 I said, you're right. I don't have an opinion. God has commanded and he has spoken, which is
00:11:34 the subtitle of this conference. What did God say? Nobody's listening to what God say. And the gospel
00:11:40 is sufficient for everything that, that, that ails us, that we think is a problem that really
00:11:46 isn't a problem for God is not a problem, but we won't apply the gospel consistently. So that same
00:11:52 man that would argue with me that I don't have opinion and I would agree with him. I don't have
00:11:57 an opinion, but God has spoken. And if God has spoken, we must obey. And I speak that to the
00:12:04 church leaders and those that are, I like what you say, often are the pietists or some of the 1.00
00:12:09 pietists or would fall into that category because I think they're capitulating and they're slowly 0.95
00:12:17 caving in. The foundation is crumbling without the gospel, without the rock of the word. You 0.96
00:12:24 either have a house on sand or you have a house built upon a rock. Amen. As soon as that guy in
00:12:31 the discourse and Mark chased him down. You guys, you guys should have been there. I wish we,
00:12:35 I don't know. We might have it on camera because you have one of your guys with your church
00:12:38 recording things. So, but Mark chased him down in a respectful and civil way. Not nice. Niceness
00:12:44 is not a virtue. Niceness often in our culture, it includes deception. It's, it's, it's or cowardice
00:12:50 or complicity or apathy. But there is such a thing as, as courtesy and civility. And so Mark
00:12:56 chase the guy down with courtesy and courage and, and confronted him. Cause the guy just wanted to
00:13:03 make his little remark, right? His little passive aggressive, smart Alec remark. And then, and then
00:13:08 walk on by. And Mark was like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Come talk to me. Right. You said
00:13:12 this, let me respond. I've got a response to you. And I thought, you know, so we talked about it
00:13:15 immediately afterwards. I couldn't help myself, but tell you my, my thought that, uh, you know,
00:13:19 the Proverbs say, you know, answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own eyes.
00:13:25 And then, you know, it also says, don't answer a fool according to his folly, lest you be 0.93
00:13:29 like him. 0.98
00:13:30 And the reality is there's a place for both positions.
00:13:33 Well, the Bible is contradicting itself.
00:13:34 No, the Bible understands that there are a variety of contexts. 0.98
00:13:38 So sometimes you don't get down to the fool's level, lest you be like him. 0.98
00:13:43 You rise above it. 0.99
00:13:44 But there are other times where you actually engage the fool with his own fallacy, with 0.95
00:13:50 his own, you draw him, you force him to ride that fallacy train all the way to the 1.00
00:13:55 final destination and see how stupid it is, how that's right. So he's like, he literally said, 0.99
00:14:00 the guy said, who are you? You can't have an opinion because you have a penis. And this is 1.00
00:14:05 a white effeminate beta male guy walking his two little dogs, a white dude. Right. And I thought 0.56
00:14:11 like, okay, well, it doesn't matter. Like what you said is the ultimate truth. It doesn't matter.
00:14:15 No, I don't have an opinion. It's the word of God, white, black, male, female, young, old,
00:14:19 doesn't matter. It's the word. It's not an opinion. It's the word. But there are moments
00:14:23 where you can enter into the fallacy answer the fool according to his folly lest he be wise in
00:14:28 his own eyes and that's one of those examples a moment where it's like oh you're saying i can't 0.88
00:14:33 have an opinion because i'm a male well let me just check real quick is a white man telling a
00:14:38 black man he can't have an opinion it because that's your worldview that says that can't happen
00:14:43 mine says you actually can do that if you're standing on the word of god but you're not i am 0.95
00:14:48 thank you sir have a nice day repent of your sin well and he didn't what he didn't do is when i was
00:14:55 speaking to him because i'm further down the sidewalk than you guys when i was speaking to
00:15:01 him he didn't say two words to me he was very specific to go to the group and he was going to
00:15:08 try to just throw it out there make himself feel good and then walk away and you didn't let him do
00:15:12 it so that's good all right i i think that's fantastic mark why don't you have the final
00:15:17 where just let people know people need to know you're here because you're doing a work that's
00:15:21 exceedingly rare around the world period i mean there's not a whole lot of all of christ for all
00:15:26 of life theology applied robust reformed confessional local churches there's not a lot
00:15:32 period i i am assuming there's probably definitely not a lot in buffalo new york so let people know
00:15:38 that they need to find you for the few christians left in buffalo new york they need to be at mark's
00:15:43 church. Not even just in Buffalo, but in this part of Buffalo, right, where there are a lot
00:15:52 of churches here, but they're dead. You know, I know you reached out to, I know you will say,
00:15:57 but you reached out to, I think, 30 pastors so that, you know, just so they would come or just
00:16:04 be involved and none reply to you. So what you're saying is true, but it's this part of Buffalo
00:16:09 is, you know, from what I'm, what I'm seeing, um, and it's more dark here, you know, again,
00:16:15 when it's, I will never forget that while we are preaching the gospel, just like a 15 second walk
00:16:24 away, you have people who are selling drugs there again, right. And then they're in between where
00:16:30 the gospel is being preached and where there's a memorial for people who were just murdered two
00:16:36 months ago and yet you're right here in this side of buffalo so yeah so um nothing special um we're
00:16:45 here i'm serving the people of god i'm a servant i'm a bivocational pastor um i actually work for
00:16:54 the city and uh as a police officer of almost 15 years um and i serve as pastor and my mission
00:17:02 is to, again, serve people, but not serve people what I want to serve them or what I'm comfortable
00:17:08 with serving them or what's popular to serve them or what even tastes good to serve them.
00:17:13 I'm here to serve people the word of God. I'm bound to that. That is our mission. We don't
00:17:21 have anything witty, clever. We don't have any new ideas, but just the unashamed, unafraid gospel. 0.65
00:17:27 So we're here at 299 East Utica in Buffalo, New York, right in the middle of the mess.
00:17:33 We are a confessional church.
00:17:35 We are a reformed and unashamed church where we are proud to uplift the sovereignty of God in all of life and the centrality of his scriptures over all of life, applied to all of life.
00:17:51 And that's what we're doing.
00:17:52 We're here teaching our people to love the Lord, our God, with all of our heart, soul, mind and strength, as Joel so wonderfully put the other the other night.
00:18:02 And we just want to act that out. We want to walk that out in every part of wherever it can be applied.
00:18:09 It must be applied. And so these issues that arise, they're not too big for us.
00:18:13 they hurt us. They cause us to suffer, of course. And that's what God promised in Christ
00:18:23 when he was here. But there is a remedy. There is an answer. And if we go outside the answer,
00:18:29 it only causes more suffering. And so we're here for this Truth Matters Conference to just
00:18:35 spread the love of God, invite the people of God, even the people that don't agree.
00:18:40 wherever you are in the city of Buffalo, around the, the, the, you know, the surrounding areas,
00:18:45 no matter, no matter where it is, we welcome everyone to come and sit under this, not only
00:18:51 this conference, but we would love to serve you, uh, in our church and serve you the King of all
00:18:58 Kings, the Lord of all Lords, because he is Lord of all. Amen. Mike, Sam, and myself, well, we're
00:19:05 here for three days, but Mark has been here and continues to be here for the long haul.
00:19:13 Churches are few and far between. Good churches. It's worth an hour drive. It's worth making a
00:19:20 commitment, inconveniencing yourself a little bit to be a part of a church that doesn't just
00:19:26 have robust, orthodox, reformed theology. There are guys in that camp, you know who I'm talking
00:19:32 about listener who will take a text, exegete the text, and then sit down. Mark, what he does is he
00:19:40 takes a text, he exegetes the text, and then he applies it to actual practical elements of our
00:19:48 lives. And he applies it without discrimination. He applies it to race. He applies it to abortion.
00:19:54 He applies it to LGBT. He's going to say, this is the word of God. It's not just something that we
00:19:59 need to do theological workouts and interpret we also need to take the word of god and apply it
00:20:07 it's not just the inerrancy of scripture right now this moment evangelicalism has dropped the
00:20:13 ball with the sufficiency of scripture we need the word applied and there aren't a lot there's
00:20:21 the reformed camp there are a lot of reformed churches there aren't a lot that are applying
00:20:25 theology applied and you're one of those guys so if you're in the area what one more time mark the
00:20:31 address of your church 299 east utica street in buffalo new york right in the heart of the city
00:20:37 cool come you'll be blessed all right thanks guys thanks so much for listening but real quick
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