The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1170

00:00:00.000 Hello and welcome to the podcast of the Lotus Eaters, number 1170 for Thursday the 22nd of May 2025.

00:00:10.180 I'm your host Luca, joined today by Beau, Stephen, and collaborating with the band we have Dr Nima Parvini.

00:00:17.560 How are you, sir?

00:00:18.900 Pleased to be here again.

00:00:20.280 Very good.

00:00:21.000 So, today we're going to be talking about Trump's public slapdown of South Africa and the South African government.

00:00:28.480 We're going to talk about kneecaps implosion, which sounds like a very traumatising wound.

00:00:34.560 And we're also going to be discussing some new details around the UK's migration scam.

00:00:40.880 So, without, but before we get into all of those details, I'd just like to bring your attention to the fact that we have today at 7pm the webinar hosted by Carl and Nima.

00:00:55.480 You're going to be on too, aren't you?

00:00:56.800 Discussing logic.

00:00:58.480 As part of your Trivium, the wider branch of the Trivium, and you're going, that's going to be on from 7pm today.

00:01:05.600 So, you can sign up there at the link and you can have access to that and we hope to see you there.

00:01:12.560 So, South Africa.

00:01:14.760 Well, what is there to say about it?

00:01:18.400 The fact of the matter is that for a long time now, for many, many years, it's been chronicled that the white farmers in particular have become a very, very persecuted minority in South Africa.

00:01:30.980 And you can see ever since this Lauren Southern documentary, Farmlands, going back as 8, 7 or 8 years, that this has been something that's been going on for over a decade now.

00:01:44.280 Over a decade now.

00:01:45.340 And there are some truly horrific truths that this particular documentary highlights.

00:01:51.300 There is a contract that go out from the South African government to a group of people called Blood Sisters.

00:01:59.920 And these Blood Sisters are, as I say, government contracted to go round the white farms after there have been murders and lawlessness and anarchy and essentially clean up the bodies. 1.00

00:02:15.140 And so, the South African government has long been, you know, there is no ignorance cannot be used as an excuse in this.

00:02:24.100 There are some truly horrific, horrific stories out of it.

00:02:29.020 You know, people being boiled alive and other such just grotesque things that I don't truly want to repeat them here.

00:02:38.060 But they are absolutely awful.

00:02:40.160 And this has, of course, led to enormous existential threat for those white farmers living in South Africa.

00:02:50.340 Before, you've got enclaves now, such as Irania, which are white enclaves that they've had to set up. 0.93

00:02:57.120 Independent farmers, white farmers, are having electric fences and security cameras and packing arsenals worth of weaponry in order to defend themselves. 0.99

00:03:07.300 And ultimately, yesterday, with the scenes that we saw from the White House, I think we're seeing here with Trump the first real efforts by someone with genuine political weight and magnitude to force this issue.

00:03:28.400 And fundamentally force the South African government to reckon with what it has overseen and being complicit in now for a long, long time.

00:03:40.120 Well, we've seen much of their comments coming back saying that this doesn't happen.

00:03:44.400 You know, white people aren't getting killed because of a genocide.

00:03:47.220 It's just normal crime.

00:03:49.460 As if normal crime of killing is what I think you were saying, Nima. 1.00

00:03:52.240 20,000 have died in what, was that one year or just?

00:03:57.140 Well, I was kind of interested that The Guardian came out and said, well, Trump's claims are baseless.

00:04:02.580 And this sort of language is, it reminds me of COVID, funny enough, but baseless, remember, or the 2020 election.

00:04:09.580 And I'm always interested when that language comes out, but also the BBC discredited claims.

00:04:15.620 So I just had a little bit of a session with Grok going back and forth, which is one of my little hobbies now.

00:04:21.320 I like to fight with Grok.

00:04:23.740 And Grok was like, absolutely, there's no evidence whatsoever.

00:04:27.820 Basically, the argument is, if I understand it correctly, that, yes, it is true.

00:04:34.980 Lots of white people have been killed in South Africa, but it's just normal murder. 0.96

00:04:42.200 It's not a systematic government program.

00:04:45.880 It's not like the mid-century Germans, for example, where they'd set up a kind of system of systematic killing. 0.59

00:04:52.620 It is much more, oh, there are lots of white people who've been killed, but them's the brakes, because South Africa, guess what, is really violent.

00:05:04.600 And I did actually look down into the figures, and the figures I got were, it's something like 12.5, 12.8 per 100,000 for the white murder rate in South Africa, which is very high.

00:05:18.620 Oh, incredibly high.

00:05:19.380 To give you a basis of comparison, in this country, it's less than one, something like 0.9 or something like that.

00:05:28.080 In some areas, and that's taking London, if you take London out, in some areas, it's almost zero.

00:05:34.560 Like in Wales, it's headline news if somebody's killed, right?

00:05:38.020 Whereas in South Africa, obviously that's much higher, but then the black per capita, per 100,000 murder rate is something like 48.8, which is huge, which is absolutely enormous.

00:05:55.440 And so the argument from the left is like, well, this isn't a deliberate government policy.

00:06:01.580 South Africa is just a really violent country. 0.59

00:06:03.480 And actually, if you look, the black murder rate is higher, so how can you say there's targeted white genocide? 0.98

00:06:09.860 That's the argument. 0.70

00:06:11.220 So it's just massive amounts of homicide in South Africa.

00:06:15.320 That's just across the board.

00:06:17.140 It's just an extremely dangerous, violent place.

00:06:19.160 You're looking at 60, if you add those two together, 60 per 100,000.

00:06:23.660 I mean, it's...

00:06:24.580 That's huge.

00:06:25.700 It's big.

00:06:26.360 It's very big numbers.

00:06:27.220 I wouldn't take those odds.

00:06:28.300 I mean, it sounds like...

00:06:29.720 I'm sure there might be...

00:06:31.000 I'm not sure.

00:06:31.820 There might be some nice places to live there, but as a whole, it sounds like...

00:06:35.200 You get the impression, don't you, that it's a nightmarish society, especially if you do live in a white enclave, that you're living under siege, quite literally.

00:06:46.400 There is another element to it, which is that if you remember...

00:06:49.540 I mean, do you remember Mugabe in Zimbabwe?

00:06:51.640 They had the land reform laws that they brought in where they basically seized farms.

00:06:57.220 And it was a disaster, and it led to famine, because they took lands from farmers who'd been there for generations, and they literally just gave them to government cronies who were like, I don't know what to do with this land, who then immediately sold it or immediately did something else with it.

00:07:13.540 So it didn't work.

00:07:14.420 And one of the reasons why Nelson Mandela was the good guy and Mugabe was the bad guy is that when Mandela...

00:07:23.040 In 1994, Mandela said, well, I'm not going to follow the same course as Zimbabwe.

00:07:28.260 Anyway, we're not going to do that.

00:07:30.380 We're going to...

00:07:31.280 But the ANC recently have been, I think last year or the year before, they passed...

00:07:37.400 They're now talking about reparations and land reform, you know, to correct historical wrongs for apartheid.

00:07:45.980 This is how they're explaining it.

00:07:47.000 And what Trump has done is he's put these two numbers, the kind of high numbers of murders, which are real, but not systematic, according to the Guardian.

00:07:56.520 To correct the left or anyone else who doesn't want to believe it.

00:07:58.000 And he's put that together with this being the official government policy.

00:08:01.500 And the people on the other side are saying, this is a narrative that you're telling.

00:08:06.680 It's not quite the whole truth.

00:08:08.320 But still, he's drawing attention to a situation there that has existed.

00:08:12.640 I mean, I remember, you know, back in 2016, people like Stefan Molyneux had a video called The Truth About South Africa.

00:08:21.680 Which, I mean, you talk about when you take those first couple of little...

00:08:26.460 It blew my mind, the stuff that we're not told about or the stuff that we weren't aware of.

00:08:33.040 One of the little things I remember Molyneux mentioning in that back in the day was the fact that large swathes of South Africa were never even occupied.

00:08:43.360 Like, when they first settled it, there was nobody there.

00:08:46.400 So, I mean, there's a lot of other stuff about, like, whether this idea of reclaiming the land for the original inhabitants.

00:08:54.780 There's all sorts of things that it kind of opens up as to what that claim is based on, who those people are, where they were 500 years ago, etc.

00:09:06.360 So, anyway, I don't want to...

00:09:07.620 No, no, not at all.

00:09:08.900 Aren't there now just lots and lots of laws on their books that are explicitly racist or explicitly anti-white?

00:09:15.400 Not just, we're going to start thinking about maybe forcibly taking your farms away from you.

00:09:20.200 But just lots and lots of things.

00:09:22.080 They've just called them equality legislation.

00:09:24.200 There is the South African...

00:09:26.200 Yes, the South African government created something called the Black Economic Empowerment Policy,

00:09:32.040 which is, of course, an affirmative action program and form of social engineering in order to just get fewer whites in the institutions.

00:09:40.600 And just, honestly, throughout the general domestic workforce, it seems.

00:09:45.180 And also, one of the other things mentioned in this documentary as well, or rather, one of the people that Lauren Southern interviews is a woman who is part of an organization and movement called the BFL, which is Black First, Land First.

00:10:01.740 And it's remarkable how, to say that this is a documentary that's been seen by nearly 3 million people on YouTube, right, how brazen this woman was in her rhetoric.

00:10:14.200 She just says, no, you came here, and we own all of it, and we are taking it back.

00:10:21.540 And yes, that will mean violence.

00:10:23.980 And so it's just open racial vengeance against the white population of South Africa.

00:10:31.700 And I suppose that's why this here, with Trump's intervention, was such a watershed moment.

00:10:40.320 It came from you, for you to be...

00:10:42.200 His good friends, like those who are here, when we have talks between us at a quiet table, it will take President Trump to...

00:10:51.920 I can bet listening to...

00:10:53.920 We have thousands of stories talking about it, and we have documentaries, we have news stories, and that...

00:11:02.180 Is Natalie here, somebody here to turn that?

00:11:04.800 I could show you a couple of things, and I would...

00:11:08.340 I just...

00:11:09.100 I have to...

00:11:09.760 It has to be responded to.

00:11:11.260 Yeah, sure.

00:11:11.620 We have...

00:11:12.180 Let me see the articles, please, if you would.

00:11:14.980 And turn...

00:11:15.580 Excuse me.

00:11:16.140 Turn the lights down.

00:11:17.860 Turn the lights down.

00:11:19.600 And just put this on.

00:11:20.740 It's right behind you.

00:11:22.660 Johan.

00:11:23.920 Nothing this Parliament can do, with or without you, people are going to occupy land. 1.00

00:11:29.940 We require no permission from you, from the President, from no one.

00:11:35.300 We don't care.

00:11:36.460 We can do whatever you want to do.

00:11:38.160 Who are you to tell us whether we can occupy land or not?

00:11:40.980 We are going to occupy land.

00:11:42.780 South Africa, occupy land.

00:11:45.400 That's who we are.

00:11:46.700 So, I won't let it play too long.

00:11:50.580 I'm sure many, many people have seen this by now.

00:11:52.880 But yes, the South African president went over there expecting to talk about trade and making a few quips about golf in order to get Trump on side.

00:12:03.760 And Trump, obviously, addressed the one issue that mattered more than anything else, took the time to make this about...

00:12:13.320 No, exactly. 0.99

00:12:13.980 It was pretty impressive because two things I took from the take on that is that when that continues, Julian Bear carries on saying, kill the white, kill the boar, kill the boar. 0.96

00:12:25.660 And it's very explicit of what he's saying about kill the white, kill the boar, and we will take the land back, which blows away the argument of the left that there is no intent within government because, obviously, he is a partner in government in terms of sharing power in certain institutions because of the lending of his MPs that are in there, or those who support him at least. 0.95

00:12:46.900 But the second thing was the telling, I don't know if you're going to go into, is the NBC response. 0.96

00:12:52.760 Well, I was going to go into just the general response from the larger media.

00:12:57.260 In this?

00:12:58.100 Okay.

00:12:58.300 Yes.

00:12:59.180 I'll reserve my comments then to the NBC part, which I thought was quite shocking.

00:13:02.820 Elon's in the room, right?

00:13:03.760 Elon's actually in the room.

00:13:05.120 He's watching.

00:13:05.700 It must be politically so embarrassing for that South African delegation to have Trump play that.

00:13:14.140 It's great.

00:13:14.880 It's good.

00:13:15.300 It's like actual, it's a moral leadership, a little bit.

00:13:18.120 But do they care when they're so close to China? 0.90

00:13:20.740 That's the point.

00:13:21.600 Or do they care anyway?

00:13:23.480 They're saying what they really mean, what they really believe.

00:13:25.820 They'd only care if they felt so weak that they had no external power being able to support them, either in terms of an economic lifeguard, in terms of the bonds that are supporting their debt that they're so far down the line in.

00:13:40.880 They have got a huge unemployment issue.

00:13:42.940 They've got an unemployment issue.

00:13:44.080 They've got a mass amount of immigration.

00:13:45.660 People seem to forget about that.

00:13:47.600 And that relates to the large killings that are occurring because they're in countries who are just even poorer than South Africa, which used to be regarded as the breadbasket of that region, being able to propel economic wealth.

00:14:01.660 They're now coming down as refugees into there. 1.00

00:14:04.280 And there's lots of internal tensions because of that, too.

00:14:07.120 So who comes steps up as part of the Belt and Road and expanding out to create friction between the West?

00:14:16.660 As we've withdrawn, said, let's do it on your own.

00:14:19.380 You're OK.

00:14:19.840 You're fine.

00:14:20.360 You're a black community now. 0.99

00:14:21.960 We'll come and help you in a way, notwithstanding, in fact, 50 billion of euro money has gone into Africa in the last 10 years.

00:14:28.280 And that's other research that I've yet to publish but been working on for a while.

00:14:32.300 Is the very nature of that we pull out.

00:14:35.500 China have come in and said, that's fine.

00:14:37.280 China.

00:14:37.800 We're behind you.

00:14:38.960 We're behind you.

00:14:39.940 And I think they get some comfort from that.

00:14:41.840 Also, I just find it there's a commonality here that I personally see, which is that the entire crusade in the 20th century against apartheid as, oh, well, it's unfair because it's unequal and, you know, it lacks meritocracy and all of these sorts of things.

00:15:00.780 Well, it seems to, you know, just at the same arguments we hear today about, you know, DEI and everything in Britain, it just seems that these things always happen to coincide with just depriving white people of agency and safety. 0.54

00:15:16.580 That that is, in fact, that that is, in fact, largely what they are always, you know, really seeking in order to, as we say, these racial grievances that have been very, very entrenched after many, many centuries.

00:15:32.420 And so it was interesting as well to see that after being, after the president of South Africa was forced to sit there and endure this humiliation, as Trump called him out, he did have an answer.

00:15:47.320 And of course, that answer was a very, very African answer, which was Gibbs, Gibbs, to stop the violence, please. 0.95

00:15:55.780 Our main, main, main, real reason for being here is to foster trade and investment so that we are able to grow our economy, your support, and so that we are also able to address all these societal problems because criminality thrives when people are unemployed, when they have no other hope to eke out a living.

00:16:21.900 So that is what we need to resolve.

00:16:23.860 That classic argument that all leftists use, that criminality, even the worst types, murderers, rapes and everything, it's born out of poverty.

00:16:34.240 I don't believe that. It's just not, it's just not true.

00:16:36.860 It's just simply not true.

00:16:38.340 It's not entirely true, but what I find...

00:16:40.240 It's a cope, isn't it?

00:16:41.140 I don't know whether you find it in terms of a philosophical level when we're just addressing these, but how I find it particularly interesting that the left will turn around and say, here's language.

00:16:51.200 If you use the language of the racist, if you use the language of the white man here reform against these foreigners that are there, all you're doing is inciting some form of criminality and violence against them.

00:17:05.580 But if they do it in Africa, it's not the same.

00:17:09.260 It's just the violence is just born out of poverty.

00:17:11.980 It's nothing to do with Jacob turning around and saying, kill the boar.

00:17:15.420 That's just a frustration born out of an ancestry issue of never not being able to control your land, rather than saying, isn't this the same sort of language that you're saying is what Nigel Farage and others like him say, you know, about a generation of people of a different colour in that country.

00:17:34.180 They also do us, I mean, when we talk about logic later on, I'll be stressing the need for definitions, because so many arguments are over something called equivocation, two different meanings of the same word.

00:17:45.500 What the left will focus on is the word genocide being used, and they'll say, there is no evidence for systematic murder, okay?

00:17:54.720 But what the bait and switch is in that, there is an actual field called genocide studies, where they've, you know, there are academics who work on this, and they talk about, before you get to that, there are all sorts of preliminary stages to what they call genocide.

00:18:12.340 I mean, you can look at Rwanda as one example, or you can look at what happened in Germany in the 1940s.

00:18:19.500 The first phase before you get to systematic killing is making, like, taking rights away on the legal front, so depersonizing, dehumanizing through seeing, you know, seeing the group as less than human in some way, and then taking away successively, you know, voting rights, property rights, et cetera, et cetera.

00:18:47.580 I mean, all of these stages happen before you get to that.

00:18:52.140 And the left, when they're dealing with any other situation, they would call it genocide, okay?

00:19:00.060 As they've done when they talk about Israel and Gaza.

00:19:02.460 And, well, and that is particularly pertinent in this case, because it was South Africa who put in the, what was it, the international, the ICJ, the international...

00:19:15.500 Is it South Africa and Ireland, or South Africa?

00:19:17.180 Well, it was South Africa originally, and then other people joined it.

00:19:20.440 Okay.

00:19:20.860 And, obviously, Trump is going there, like, okay, if you're going to talk about, if you're going to call that genocide, let's talk about this, what's going on under your watch.

00:19:30.960 And many of the same arguments could be made.

00:19:33.660 So, this is, I think, another reason why the left, who obviously, on that issue, have been using that word a lot.

00:19:42.000 Yes.

00:19:42.460 Now, they're pushing back on this, because it undermines the moral case there.

00:19:47.740 Another thing, which is more metapolitical or bigger, is that, I mean, I don't know if you were around in the 90s, but we were talking about de Klerk.

00:20:00.060 Like, the regime put a lot of cultural, political capital behind Mandela, building Mandela up as this kind of almost like saint, you know, I mean, there's Gandhi, there's Mandela, there's Martin Luther King Jr.

00:20:16.140 This is, like, the holy trinity of, like, boomer icons, if you want to put it that way.

00:20:22.100 And, I mean, I actually went to South Africa once, and this phrase, well, I was going on honeymoon to Botswana, but we had to go through Johannesburg, and our plane was delayed, which means we had to spend a day in Johannesburg.

00:20:35.200 So, I paid a guy, I paid a guy, like, $200 to take me on a tour of Joburg.

00:20:41.220 Quite an eye-opener, I'll tell you.

00:20:42.860 Yeah.

00:20:43.100 One thing is that everywhere you go, there's this phrase, our democracy, and it's got, like, the iconography from that moment in 1994, okay?

00:20:53.440 And everybody talks, oh, like, you're talking to the taxi driver, and you'll say our democracy in everyday conversation, but there's a gap between what was promised and what has actually been delivered.

00:21:05.260 So, there's this sense that the project failed, or it hasn't delivered.

00:21:09.480 And the guy who was sending me, who did this tour in Johannesburg, it would take too long, but he said, oh, I'm going to show you the tallest building in Johannesburg.

00:21:20.020 Okay, and he took me up this, what felt like a kind of multi-story car park, and he was really proud of it.

00:21:26.460 He was like, yeah, this is the best build, this is the tour, it's like a high-rise car park type thing.

00:21:32.360 And anyway, we got to the top, and there were all these photos from the 1970s of this fairground of, like, kids enjoying themselves.

00:21:41.860 And, you know, the driver was black, right?

00:21:44.580 And the guy, and he looked up at it, and he just kind of, he had this look in his eye, and he said to me, you know, they were better days, they were better times.

00:21:53.800 And I was just thinking, ah, this is, you know, and if you actually go there, there is that undercurrent, which is kind of unspoken.

00:22:04.860 And it was better then.

00:22:05.700 And I think they've done polls of, you know, there's actually quite common opinion there of, you know, has life improved since the fall of apartheid?

00:22:15.200 And, well, let's just say opinion is divided in South Africa, so, and, but our regime, the Western regime, needs it to be a success in a way,

00:22:24.800 so they don't like to draw attention to the fact that the project has gone wrong, because we're meant to think of, we're meant to think of it as this great thing.

00:22:33.480 Yeah, I almost went in the 90s for a similar sort of thing, but I had a girlfriend who was South African, and for one finger or another, I couldn't go on that trip with them. 0.98

00:22:42.240 And they were going to Joburg, they had to go to Joburg, unfortunately, because there was still some family members.

00:22:46.560 And they got back, they were just telling about how, when they got to Joburg, they had to have security, and when they got home, they had, like, double sets of gates, all the windows had bars on them,

00:22:58.140 and they had someone with a gun who was going out with them before they went off down to the Cape.

00:23:02.820 And that was then, in the 90s. Things have significantly got worse.

00:23:07.240 It is quite appropriate that we've got a president in the United States that's calling them out.

00:23:12.560 But I'd be interested to see, as I say, really, one of the analysis is moving on from your point, is the way that the press tried to ignore it.

00:23:21.200 And I don't know if you've got the clips of the way that they tried to deflect, totally away from the issue.

00:23:26.600 And that's typical of the example, that we don't want to touch the Holy Grail.

00:23:30.860 This was something that we said would work under the black community. 0.75

00:23:34.140 It's failing. The people want the old system back, but we can't allow them to have that back.

00:23:39.600 I don't want to go on about this too long, but I remember one of the things, I even made a video about it once.

00:23:44.140 Where Magna Carta was signed is not that far away from where I live and drive.

00:23:52.980 And sometimes I take my daughter to the park down there, where Magna Carta was signed, and there's a statue of the Queen there.

00:23:59.280 And it's got all of the legislation from Magna Carta moving forwards, all of the kind of milestone in British political history, which is interesting.

00:24:08.940 And then at one point it's got Karl Marx publishes the Communist Manifesto.

00:24:13.100 I was like, what's that doing there then?

00:24:14.980 And then anyway, right at the end of the line, right at the end of the line is the Constitution of South Africa.

00:24:22.380 As if that's the culmination of British legal common law tradition from Magna Carta.

00:24:29.300 And I remember thinking, what does Elizabeth II stand?

00:24:32.120 Did she know that ultimately she stands for...

00:24:36.060 But in their mind, when they built that statue, they were obviously thinking the culmination of our liberal thought is this.

00:24:43.540 This is our... This is democracy.

00:24:45.200 Yeah, they did think that.

00:24:46.080 I remember the mid-90s when Mandela got in and the Rugby World Cup that year.

00:24:50.620 I remember all of that.

00:24:51.300 I was old enough to actually remember it.

00:24:53.440 And yeah, he was, as you say, like some sort of holy figure.

00:24:57.000 But the reality is, I mean, let's not beat around the bush here.

00:24:59.500 The ANC have ruined that country, absolutely ruined it on every metric, perhaps apart from voting rights.

00:25:05.080 You can mention it's way worse now.

00:25:07.300 It is a nightmare place, it seems to me.

00:25:10.500 Well, the murder rates are showing it.

00:25:11.980 Right.

00:25:12.220 Well, there we go.

00:25:13.420 It's a good clip.

00:25:14.520 And you mentioned Marx.

00:25:15.720 So again, Mandela and the ANC, they're communists, full-blown communists.

00:25:20.200 I mean, he went to prison.

00:25:21.140 They didn't put him in prison for no reason.

00:25:23.400 They went to prison because he was a Marxist militant.

00:25:27.260 And he was involved in bombing campaigns.

00:25:30.500 So, yeah, no, the ANC have absolutely ruined that country, 100%.

00:25:34.820 And now this man is also inheriting and adding to that mess himself.

00:25:40.740 And so this is him, I believe, walking out of that meeting with Trump and...

00:25:47.740 How did you feel sitting there?

00:25:51.220 I felt that I was sitting across as a president who has a lot of power and a lot of focus.

00:26:02.020 Is that it?

00:26:05.180 Shook.

00:26:06.200 Yeah.

00:26:07.380 Yeah.

00:26:08.000 Okay.

00:26:08.640 That's it.

00:26:11.440 That's your reaction.

00:26:13.960 And obviously, it goes without saying, but this man who originally sat there next to Trump

00:26:19.820 and said, oh, these things, you're blowing it all out of proportion.

00:26:22.880 I promise you, Mr. President, there's no proof of this.

00:26:25.600 Well, here he is himself.

00:26:29.320 It's a little hazy in the audio, but...

00:26:32.000 You turn that up, Sam, Sam?

00:26:34.280 ...has returned to our people without any fail and without any payment of compensation.

00:26:43.340 And it must happen now.

00:26:45.940 Well, that sounds like Angela Rayner of the way she wants to deal with our farmers as well. 1.00

00:26:50.080 But there we go.

00:26:50.900 Just a different colour.

00:26:52.120 Yes.

00:26:52.460 But ultimately, the crucial...

00:26:54.880 Same ideas.

00:26:55.540 ...a couple of words in that is our people.

00:26:57.780 Yes.

00:26:58.020 It's our people.

00:26:59.320 The South African...

00:27:00.300 The white South Africans, fundamentally, he... 0.76

00:27:03.420 Not only is he, obviously, not representing them in action, but emotionally, he feels no obligation to them either.

00:27:11.080 And so, fundamentally, it's natural to see why he would not...

00:27:22.080 I'll go to the next one here.

00:27:23.640 Why he would want to cover this up.

00:27:27.920 Because, ultimately, as you can see here, he thought and has been very comfortable for a long time with the Western media helping to shield him from all of this.

00:27:38.720 Right?

00:27:39.380 He is...

00:27:39.760 This is what I was trying to say.

00:27:41.180 He's been able to both have a very ethnically conscious nationalist bent to his politics, whilst also having the backing of media organisations that claim to despise that type of politics.

00:27:55.020 And this is going to what you asked me about, Beau, earlier, about all of these different media organisations.

00:28:00.800 And, obviously, they all came out and just happened to all use the same word in a very coordinated way.

00:28:06.460 Ambush.

00:28:06.900 Ambush.

00:28:07.220 It's an ambush.

00:28:07.840 Trump does ambush.

00:28:08.960 Ambush.

00:28:09.320 He's been ambushed.

00:28:10.020 Ambush.

00:28:10.620 Yeah, I think they would have talked to that.

00:28:12.900 They have the equivalent of the lobby, actually.

00:28:15.180 Look at the Guardian one.

00:28:16.380 Sinister Trump dims the light for another White House ambush, like a Bond villain, startling guests.

00:28:23.340 That's how they talked about it.

00:28:24.260 I'm already on board.

00:28:25.160 You don't have to...

00:28:25.860 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:28:26.520 ...sell him to me any more than that.

00:28:28.220 But one of the things they talk about, the ambush, is the NBC correspondent in there asks a question of Trump.

00:28:33.100 He turns to him and points to him.

00:28:34.280 And in the midst of having just shown that video, the very first words were, what are you going to do about the plane that you're being given by the Saudi Arabians?

00:28:43.960 Right, yeah.

00:28:44.280 And Trump's response to him was, you're just a fake news.

00:28:48.500 Get out.

00:28:50.080 What relevance does the plane have to what I've been just showing?

00:28:54.200 Right.

00:28:54.460 And that was a brilliant response to him.

00:28:56.560 And he was saying, you know, don't talk to me about that.

00:28:58.520 Talk about exactly the issues.

00:29:00.760 Because they don't...

00:29:01.760 They already wanted to try and deflect.

00:29:04.060 They're using the word ambush because they know it's pejorative.

00:29:07.580 It's a way of trying to diminish the idea that South Africa could possibly involve in any way, shape or form of destruction of property belonging to white people or even murder of them.

00:29:19.700 So they want to deflect from that.

00:29:22.020 And he exactly called out that deflection.

00:29:24.660 You talk about the South African form of nationalism.

00:29:27.420 Well, it's ethno-nationalism.

00:29:28.560 It is ethno-nationalism.

00:29:29.780 Specifically, explicitly.

00:29:31.840 It's interesting how that's fine.

00:29:34.280 That's par for the course in certain parts of the world.

00:29:36.140 And in other parts of the world, it's shorthand for undiluted evil.

00:29:41.060 Yeah.

00:29:41.580 And we know which parts of the world we're talking about.

00:29:43.740 This is interesting.

00:29:44.860 This is.

00:29:45.880 I managed to find amongst all the media coverage the ultimate nuance, bro.

00:29:50.000 Yeah.

00:29:51.640 Explaining that this is not true.

00:29:54.040 What the videos show is Julius Malema, the far-left opposition leader of South Africa.

00:29:59.500 His part is called the Economic Freedom Fighters.

00:30:01.720 And it also showed former president Jacob Zuma.

00:30:04.120 What Julius Malema was singing, Kill the Boar, Kill the Farmer, was an anti-apartheid song from the struggle against war.

00:30:11.440 White Minority Rule in South Africa. 0.79

00:30:13.900 They've explained that this is not a little call to attack and kill the farmer because of the historical nature of that.

00:30:20.440 But it's been weaponised by groups in South Africa and increasingly by the migrants. 0.99

00:30:25.880 Kill the whites doesn't actually mean kill the whites. 0.99

00:30:28.560 No, no. 1.00

00:30:29.020 Lucy Connolly saying burn down the migrant hotel doesn't actually mean burn down the migrant hotel.

00:30:36.580 It means give them a nice cup of coffee with a biscuit.

00:30:39.700 She's just quoting someone from the 80s who once said that.

00:30:42.440 Yes.

00:30:42.660 She doesn't mean it now.

00:30:43.660 Yeah.

00:30:44.280 Yeah.

00:30:44.660 Absolutely.

00:30:45.300 Of course, nonsense.

00:30:46.120 And I wonder who really buys this.

00:30:48.600 If there's anyone that's on the fence who doesn't know the details one way or another, hasn't got a dog in the fight one way or the other,

00:30:53.900 could they possibly believe that sort of argument?

00:30:58.700 Well, one of the things that I noticed was that I know Trump has taken some South African refugees and the left had a field day memeing on the guy getting off the plane because he was quite a big chap.

00:31:15.300 And, I mean, I couldn't help watch the comments and be like, it was never about refugees.

00:31:24.040 It's never about any of the things. 0.95

00:31:27.000 It really does, at some core level, for some of these people, not all of them, just seem to be about hating white people.

00:31:33.680 It really does. 0.85

00:31:35.040 Yeah.

00:31:35.620 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:31:36.520 I think the message...

00:31:37.360 Filled with racial resentment.

00:31:38.780 Yeah.

00:31:39.100 Filled with it.

00:31:39.720 The first part, it's a protective clause for them.

00:31:43.420 They're trying to protect their narrative.

00:31:45.820 And so this message goes out to the Rory Stuarts of this world, the Alistair Campbells and the UKs, that they can spread it on their podcasts and they get it out into their media to protect their little groups.

00:31:56.820 And it does filter down.

00:31:57.840 I mean, I've got a very sensible business lady that I know who had a conversation with only yesterday who didn't understand or accept that there is this mass murder going on as South Africans. 1.00

00:32:09.240 And she is particularly someone who's not a lefty and has actually voted for different political parties, mainly of the right.

00:32:17.420 But it still filters into them.

00:32:20.000 And so I think it's a protective element because they're feeling pushed across many, many fronts because many of their ideas are collapsing all around them.

00:32:27.580 Yes.

00:32:27.820 And that's why they're desperate to find any result.

00:32:30.420 And they'll push this for as long as they can.

00:32:32.260 I remember when Trump first started actually bringing some focus to this and in his original statement on the issue of what the farmers are going through.

00:32:41.760 And he didn't use the word white in it.

00:32:44.460 He just said some people in South Africa are being persecuted.

00:32:48.280 And it's remarkable in a way that he is now, even though it seems like such a small thing in a way, but to, you know, cross that threshold and say, no, these are explicitly white people who are being persecuted.

00:33:02.080 Because for the longest time, we've grown up in societies where white people can't be racist and they can only ever be the oppressors. 0.77

00:33:09.880 And as you were saying earlier, this is the culmination in a way of a long, you know, logical end.

00:33:17.080 And so I'm just conscious of the time, so I don't want to go much longer.

00:33:22.480 I'll move on to the next segment.

00:33:23.780 But I did also just find it remarkable as well to see that the Zulus are backing white farmers in the fight against land expropriation. 0.98

00:33:35.200 And we might get another cool 60s movie.

00:33:37.460 It's interesting.

00:33:38.040 You mentioned earlier the different races, the different black sub-Saharan ethnicities, entirely different ethnicities.

00:33:43.740 Absolutely.

00:33:44.660 Right.

00:33:44.820 There's like the coloured people, they actually call them coloured.

00:33:48.120 They do.

00:33:48.760 And the Zulus are different to Bantus. 1.00

00:33:50.740 No, no, no, no, no, no.

00:33:51.980 Yeah.

00:33:52.260 They don't necessarily all see eye to eye or have exactly the same interests remotely.

00:33:55.620 That's the other thing.

00:33:57.000 If you actually go to Africa, that you'll see very quickly, everybody first identifies first at the tribal level from this bush or that bush.

00:34:08.300 It's like Keme Beden.

00:34:10.060 Well, I mean, I didn't go to Nigeria.

00:34:13.580 That is something.

00:34:16.380 And having studied the histories of these countries, almost all of them.

00:34:21.760 Like I mentioned Mugavi, for example, almost all of them, when they get into power, it's like, well, it's my group against everybody else.

00:34:30.040 It's like black as a concept is not a thing.

00:34:32.940 It is the tribe first, the individual tribe. 0.99

00:34:37.240 And they don't really care who they have to, you know, they see the government as a looting exercise.

00:34:44.700 There's a very good book by an African economist, I remember, that called about, that talked about vampire economies.

00:34:50.740 And it discussed why this happens so often in Africa since, you know, the end of colonialism.

00:34:59.800 And it's really due to this mindset.

00:35:02.220 They think, well, you get into government, I've won the jackpot and I get to loot everybody else, basically.

00:35:08.060 And it's very difficult to, I mean, Botswana, where I went, is one of the few countries that did not adopt that model.

00:35:15.300 And mainly that meant we're going to maintain property rights and not have racial laws around who owns which properties, etc.

00:35:25.100 So Botswana is probably a better model for Africa.

00:35:28.160 Yeah, it's very interesting as well, because King Zwerithini of the Zulu said his motivation in working with the boas was the concern for food security.

00:35:39.120 Because, remarkably, whatever grievances you might have, you know, I'm sure he remembers Rourke's Drift.

00:35:46.140 But fundamentally, black people need to eat as well.

00:35:50.900 And so...

00:35:51.600 The truth is, is that those Zulus probably know the truth of the actual history as to who was there first in many of those areas. 1.00

00:36:00.280 Because, of course, they were an invading force at one point as well.

00:36:03.500 Of course.

00:36:04.020 Right? I mean, there was nobody in that.

00:36:05.740 As I say, we might see Rourke's Drift 2, you know, the movie Zulus and Boas versus Jacob and his mob.

00:36:15.240 Well, if that film did ever come out, it would finally get me to the cinema again.

00:36:19.580 But anyway, so it was, to round off, I thought that this whole intervention by Trump was quite masterful.

00:36:27.020 And I can only hope that this is going to be a turning point for the better in the history of South Africa.

00:36:33.620 So, shall we go to a few rumbles?

00:36:37.340 Yeah, he says...

00:36:38.440 Okay, so for $2, Neon Realist says,

00:36:41.120 In addition to Trump playing the video, one of the white golfers Ramaphosa brought to whitewash the plight of whites,

00:36:48.120 Retief Goosen, instead said,

00:36:50.660 Actually, my dad's farmer buddies were killed too.

00:36:54.340 Yes, I remember seeing that.

00:36:55.980 So, for $2, we've got the engaged few, says,

00:37:01.060 The various South African private security firms have more men under arms than the military and police.

00:37:07.520 A murder rate so high, it eclipses some war zones.

00:37:11.080 Revolutionaries make pure bureaucrats. 0.94

00:37:14.200 I'm just conscious of the time, so it's probably best to move on to your segment, though.

00:37:18.420 Okay, all right.

00:37:20.060 I just thought it would be funny to talk a little bit of Light Relief.

00:37:24.020 Talk about the slow motion car wreck that is kneecap.

00:37:28.740 The Irish rap trio.

00:37:33.040 Total cringe.

00:37:34.820 Three completely lost boys who don't know what they're talking about.

00:37:39.180 Getting some sort of comeuppance.

00:37:40.500 It seems like one of their number, Liam, has actually been charged with terrorism offences.

00:37:45.020 It shouldn't have happened to a nicer bunch of lads, to be honest.

00:37:50.080 The genial warmth that I get from them.

00:37:52.760 The kindness that exudes from every utterance that they make.

00:37:56.780 I just feel that they ought to be the sort of people you can sit down and have a real nice piece of cake with your daughter

00:38:01.600 before you usher them out to a walk in the park.

00:38:05.180 Oh, yeah, they're definitely steeped in political philosophy and history.

00:38:08.500 Oh, just look at that.

00:38:08.520 The innocence.

00:38:09.200 They definitely know what they're talking about, that's for sure.

00:38:10.720 The genial innocence of those eyes.

00:38:12.300 Before I continue on, we must quickly mention that on our website you can get the Trivium.

00:38:18.160 Where you can learn about grammar, logic and rhetoric.

00:38:20.940 Well, one of the things I wanted to mention, because there's a bit of feedback we got from last week.

00:38:25.940 A lot of people don't seem to understand the Trivium is three separate courses.

00:38:30.260 Foundations of Writing, Foundations of Logic, Foundations of Rhetoric.

00:38:34.360 And you can buy them individually and the Trivium puts them all in one bundle package.

00:38:40.400 So, that's the deal.

00:38:42.120 So, you can buy them individually or as a bundle.

00:38:44.300 And there will also be a webinar every Thursday.

00:38:46.820 There's webinars with you and Carl, which is free.

00:38:48.740 Anyone can just sign up for that on our website.

00:38:51.920 And they can interact with you and Carl.

00:38:53.700 People who went last week where we did writing seemed to enjoy it.

00:38:57.100 And there were a lot of people there.

00:38:58.740 And it is Thursday today, so there's one happening today.

00:39:01.640 Where is it?

00:39:01.960 6 or 7pm?

00:39:03.040 7pm.

00:39:03.660 7pm.

00:39:04.580 Be there.

00:39:06.360 Be there.

00:39:07.360 At the considerable risk of being square if you don't attend.

00:39:10.240 If you're on the course, you'd have learned that you couldn't say be there and be square.

00:39:14.380 You'd have found a different language to use.

00:39:17.260 I did no adverbs, you see.

00:39:19.220 I'd be there.

00:39:20.340 Just direct.

00:39:21.740 So, back to the implosion of kneecaps.

00:39:24.200 So, what happened?

00:39:24.780 So, first and foremost, there are a bunch of three lads, young Northern Irish lads, 1.00

00:39:31.460 who are, I mean, let's be fair, morons. 0.99

00:39:35.820 Don't mix about your phrases there, to be honest, no. 1.00

00:39:40.820 They're LARPing.

00:39:41.520 It's turbo cringe.

00:39:42.540 They're LARPing.

00:39:43.740 They're trying to get attention, like, sort of desperately, I would say, trying to get attention.

00:39:47.900 It speaks to me of sort of a lost generation, an unwell generation, a symptom of sort of an unwell society. 0.90

00:39:55.800 They hark back to the Troubles.

00:39:58.860 I mean, they're in their late 20s, so they were born around the time of the Good Friday Agreement.

00:40:03.160 They don't know anything about the Troubles.

00:40:04.180 They didn't live through it.

00:40:05.660 I actually, we, well, not you.

00:40:08.080 You're too young.

00:40:08.720 But we lived through at least the end of the Troubles.

00:40:11.480 I actually remember Canary Wolf.

00:40:13.440 I heard Canary Wolf blow up.

00:40:15.200 I remember going to London and being told, don't go near any bins in case there's bombs there, all that sort of thing.

00:40:20.420 So, anyway, these young lads, they talk about Thatcher.

00:40:23.340 They talk about it as if the Tories are the enemy.

00:40:26.260 It's like, it's not 1975.

00:40:28.100 No.

00:40:28.640 Or 1979, rather.

00:40:29.760 Like, come on.

00:40:31.560 Come on.

00:40:32.500 Well, the Tories are the enemy, but not the enemy.

00:40:34.420 Not for 79, I was going to say.

00:40:38.140 Yeah.

00:40:39.460 Yeah.

00:40:40.160 The Tories of 1981 are a very different enemy to Badenoch's opposition.

00:40:45.120 Exactly.

00:40:46.280 Maybe he can get a better word out of Thatcher than he can do Badenoch and Cameron, you know.

00:40:50.960 Imagine I've got Cameron on the run.

00:40:52.840 Might have worked. 0.97

00:40:54.620 So, what basically, just in a nutshell, what they said was things like, kill your local MP. 0.98

00:41:01.420 All right. 0.97

00:41:03.260 Oh, South Africa again. 0.68

00:41:05.040 Yeah.

00:41:05.720 Yeah, it's very South.

00:41:07.040 Yeah, maybe they've got the lyrics from...

00:41:08.940 There's also that strange connection between lefties, socialists, champagne socialists, wannabe

00:41:16.820 communists, whatever you call it, and Islam.

00:41:19.440 So, they also came out and were really pro-Hezbollah, pro-Hamas, making explicit comments publicly

00:41:24.860 on stage about...

00:41:26.800 One of them, there's a picture of him where he's got a picture, a flag, a Hezbollah flag,

00:41:31.820 which is odd.

00:41:32.960 What a strange collection of political thought, that you're an Irish nationalist, you hark back

00:41:38.180 to the IRA, but you also are sort of pro-Shia.

00:41:43.300 Oh, go back on that one.

00:41:45.080 So...

00:41:45.680 Do you know a thing to remind me of?

00:41:47.060 It's those three New York white Jewish rappers from the 1990s.

00:41:51.920 Talk this way, walk this way.

00:41:56.260 Beastie Boys.

00:41:56.880 Beastie Boys.

00:41:57.780 Yeah, Beastie Boys, but with no talent.

00:42:00.220 Well...

00:42:00.720 I was thinking Goldie Lucky... 0.75

00:42:02.340 They are Goldie Lucky Lucky.

00:42:03.440 Oh, yeah, yeah.

00:42:03.980 One of the things I was going to mention later is that they seem to be, in earnest, they're

00:42:07.360 not just LARPing.

00:42:08.140 So, there are people that are taking the mickey, like Goldie Looking Chain.

00:42:11.540 Yeah.

00:42:11.820 This is a comedy, this is a parody, deliberately.

00:42:13.760 Oh, is it?

00:42:14.420 Goldie Looking Chain. 0.98

00:42:15.380 There you go, they're taking the piss.

00:42:16.640 Speaking of the South Africa thing, they had a bass lyric, do you remember? 0.61

00:42:20.040 Guns don't kill people, rappers do. 0.82

00:42:22.240 Yeah.

00:42:22.640 Yeah.

00:42:24.160 So, they're trying to look like Oasis there.

00:42:26.220 They're like Welsh, well, they were Welsh, weren't they? 0.91

00:42:27.860 They were Welsh, yeah, I remember.

00:42:28.860 And it is a piss take, right?

00:42:30.900 Or there was that show, People Just Do Nothing, where they're English boys and they're

00:42:35.280 into garage.

00:42:35.940 Again, it's a comedy show.

00:42:37.360 It's a comedy show.

00:42:38.640 Right.

00:42:39.260 Right?

00:42:39.560 They're parodying this sort of thing.

00:42:42.140 But no.

00:42:44.580 Kneecap are for real.

00:42:46.220 These are serious people.

00:42:48.120 This isn't ironic, apparently.

00:42:51.200 No, no, no.

00:42:51.720 What's their connection with...

00:42:53.180 It's like the gimp in Pulp Fiction. 1.00

00:42:55.180 Lebanese separatism, then.

00:42:56.840 Why are they into Hezbollah?

00:42:58.640 I'm sure that goes back to when the IRA were kind of utilising Hamas and the Middle East 0.92

00:43:05.000 as not only providers of weapons that were coming through Gaddafi's Libya, but also training

00:43:10.920 grounds where they'd worked together with the Palestine Liberation Organization under Yassau

00:43:15.780 Arafat.

00:43:16.740 So you had all of these connections where weapons were coming in.

00:43:19.980 It was an unholy trinity of money coming in from the Irish Catholics in the United States, many 1.00

00:43:26.660 connected to like senators and congressmen who, although they deny it because they need

00:43:32.540 the votes in those countries, they never came out against the IRA per se.

00:43:37.960 Money being funded from there, getting into these countries and funding the organisations

00:43:43.280 that they opposed because they were actually providing training and weapon for the organisation.

00:43:48.080 They supported to go up against Britain.

00:43:49.980 I mean, this is the complexity of modern terrorism.

00:43:52.580 What is the connection between sort of Irish nationalists and, say, Hezbollah?

00:43:57.300 There's a picture of a dude with a Hezbollah.

00:43:58.720 Sherlock Holmes, that one.

00:43:59.740 The connection is that these young men are terribly confused and don't really know history

00:44:07.940 or politics correctly.

00:44:09.760 It's just, it's as simple as that.

00:44:11.840 There's no other explanation for it.

00:44:13.480 And they'll never win Eurovision.

00:44:15.680 Yeah.

00:44:17.660 So they...

00:44:18.740 Actually, maybe never.

00:44:20.360 Perhaps I wouldn't say that.

00:44:21.540 Perhaps they would.

00:44:22.460 They publicly called for sort of the killing of MPs.

00:44:27.140 Now, you can't do that.

00:44:28.840 You can't go around doing that, right?

00:44:30.560 There are limits.

00:44:31.500 No, there are limits.

00:44:32.680 And, I mean, they just thought they could do what they wanted, I guess.

00:44:36.380 Oh, look.

00:44:36.840 What?

00:44:37.580 I know.

00:44:38.600 How does this make any sense?

00:44:40.200 Like, from a sort of political philosophy angle?

00:44:42.500 I know.

00:44:43.060 It's just like...

00:44:43.740 How does that work?

00:44:45.740 It doesn't.

00:44:46.380 It doesn't add up.

00:44:47.260 It's nonsense, isn't it?

00:44:48.300 It's a talking tea cosy. 0.97

00:44:49.460 It's nonsense. 0.95

00:44:50.800 It's just complete nonsense. 0.75

00:44:52.300 So...

00:44:52.820 Sorry, I can't help you.

00:44:53.960 I just can't help think about my grandmother's tea when we were in the eights.

00:44:57.560 You know, she'd have a tea cosy. 1.00

00:44:59.440 But they've got a tea cosy made out of a hat, you know, for him, to be honest.

00:45:02.240 So they got in trouble a few weeks ago.

00:45:03.760 Two or three weeks ago, it was.

00:45:04.880 And at the time, I was so uninterested.

00:45:06.760 I still am fairly uninterested.

00:45:09.160 But it's funny that they're starting to get their comeuppance.

00:45:11.780 But two or three weeks ago, they were in the news because they were starting to get some backlash for saying bizarre and pretty damn radical things.

00:45:19.560 So there's just a whole bunch of articles saying that, you know, they've been dropped by a few of their...

00:45:26.420 I mean...

00:45:26.820 We've got them actually saying anything.

00:45:28.320 Let's get a clue.

00:45:28.880 Yeah, yeah.

00:45:29.660 Just a clue of what this is.

00:45:31.100 Look.

00:45:31.920 How terribly confused must you be to be an Irish person, Northern Irish person.

00:45:40.160 And we don't actually need to.

00:45:42.640 And being to rap, an Irish language rap, but yet you're pro Hezbollah. 0.72

00:45:49.800 It's crazy stuff. 0.53

00:45:51.520 I hate rap so much. 0.98

00:45:53.060 Yeah, it's nonsense. 0.65

00:45:53.800 It's got nothing to do with North Western Europe, is it?

00:45:56.380 No, I've got nothing to do with...

00:45:57.200 African verbatim, the soul sonic force.

00:45:59.440 Stephen, you will never change my mind on this.

00:46:01.560 This is classic stuff from the early 80s, battling on there.

00:46:05.280 Don't forget, I used to do break dancing.

00:46:06.400 So, you know, I used to love it when I was growing up.

00:46:08.600 I used to leave there after the show.

00:46:09.600 Yeah, yeah.

00:46:10.100 You're not even going to get me on this table doing it.

00:46:11.920 It's as simple as that.

00:46:12.900 Did you do the windmill?

00:46:13.740 Oh, I did the windmill.

00:46:14.740 Really?

00:46:14.880 Yeah, that's how I broke my wrist.

00:46:16.060 To be honest.

00:46:16.620 When I was about 18.

00:46:17.860 That's quite impressive.

00:46:18.260 That's quite impressive.

00:46:18.700 I was doing a head spin and someone pushed up from a rival group, as we call it.

00:46:22.780 We were on a challenge and he came over and pushed me over.

00:46:25.300 And you're joking?

00:46:26.020 Yeah.

00:46:26.640 You're joking, right?

00:46:27.580 No, no, no.

00:46:28.040 I'm not joking.

00:46:28.580 We used to have lino in the middle of Fog Lane Park.

00:46:31.340 You know?

00:46:32.000 That's it.

00:46:32.660 Stephen Wolfe used to be able to do the head spin.

00:46:34.340 Yeah, head spin, windmills, arms on the fist as well, hands spins with a fist.

00:46:40.040 I can't beat that, but I did, to my eternal shame, once dress up as Puff Daddy and performed

00:46:46.900 a rap in front of the entire school, wearing shades.

00:46:50.480 And I remember I had this confetti, right?

00:46:53.840 And my final flourish is I was going to throw this confetti up my rap.

00:46:59.240 And I got it wrong.

00:47:02.400 And there were all these, like, the first year girls sitting in the front row.

00:47:06.560 I just, it all went in the face of this one.

00:47:11.620 Any kudos you had at that moment just died in that instance.

00:47:14.720 And then I was, it was a white suit.

00:47:16.220 I was wearing shades.

00:47:17.380 And then I remember one of my teachers was just like, look at yourself.

00:47:22.300 Who do you think you are?

00:47:26.140 I'll tell you what.

00:47:27.080 Wise words.

00:47:27.680 Save it for a male voice choir. 0.59

00:47:30.420 Like, not rap.

00:47:31.980 Yeah, I mean, yeah.

00:47:33.300 So, Carl did a couple of videos about this a week or two ago.

00:47:35.840 And his take, essentially, was this an embarrassment.

00:47:38.840 And it is on a number of levels.

00:47:40.640 An embarrassment, not just the rap thing, but also the politics.

00:47:44.260 And that they seem to have thought that they could sort of say anything.

00:47:47.700 Seems like.

00:47:48.340 I find the focus on Hezbollah particularly odd because, I mean, there are, you know, what I'm really into is an Iranian proxy militia group that is ostensibly there to fight for Lebanese freedom or something.

00:48:03.580 It's like, how is that anybody's cause, let alone an Irish rapper's cause?

00:48:10.620 But acting is a kind of devil advocate, trying to get into their brains, if they can, if they have a book.

00:48:16.040 Well, I was just actually going to wonder whether you could actually blow air from one to the other and it'd go all the way through the three of them, to be honest.

00:48:22.880 That's where the last one's leaning more to his left.

00:48:25.120 But just trying to look at them, are they trying to do this because they think it's actually what they believe, the kind of currying of favour with these organisations because there is this swelling of a belief in Ireland that Israel is bad and we've got to support everything that's happening in Gaza?

00:48:42.100 Is it that, and they're being able to profit from that in some way, a commercialisation of the poverty and ineptitude of the Hamas groups, is it that what they're doing? 0.72

00:48:57.920 Do we feel that listening to them, there is a genuine belief in this equality and equanimity that they're looking for?

00:49:05.300 No, because they started walking it back immediately.

00:49:07.840 Ah, there we go.

00:49:09.640 I think they're just...

00:49:10.520 It's the cash that...

00:49:11.460 I just think they're very...

00:49:12.700 Matters.

00:49:14.940 Unread, callow young men that don't really know what they're doing, really. 0.86

00:49:19.100 And desperately trying to get some sort of attention.

00:49:20.980 I mean, I think that's all it really is.

00:49:23.320 When people said, can you apologise to the family of David Amis and Joe Cox?

00:49:27.160 And they were like, yeah, sorry.

00:49:29.560 Like, it's a really hollow...

00:49:31.120 I think...

00:49:31.520 It was a really hollow thing.

00:49:32.720 I mean, to Steel Man, again, foundations of logic, I think probably their strongest argument that they have is that they'd say something like,

00:49:41.080 well, Ireland stands in a long tradition of anti-colonialism.

00:49:45.440 It was the first country to declare independence from the British Empire.

00:49:49.680 Now, bad things that the British Empire used to do are being done by other groups. 0.99

00:49:54.760 And we are with the freedom fighters, whether it's Hezbollah or Hamas.

00:49:59.120 So that's probably how they frame it in their own mind, where you think, well, you know, in the same way that they call the original Easter Rising or something,

00:50:11.760 they would have called them terrorists back in 1916, where it's the same story, basically.

00:50:16.780 That's probably like the most romantic version that the left would have, I'd imagine.

00:50:22.020 Like a lot of these people, they know just enough skewed history to be resentful, right?

00:50:29.620 Just enough nonsense to keep them angry.

00:50:36.700 So, yeah, when it first started, people first started pushing back on it, you know, apparently they did lose their sponsor and their booking agent.

00:50:45.380 Sharon Osbourne was pissed off with them. 1.00

00:50:47.000 Oh, well, that's it then.

00:50:49.040 Once she's gone, that's it.

00:50:50.020 You've lost your career.

00:50:51.440 Honestly.

00:50:52.000 When's Sharon?

00:50:52.860 Sharon Osbourne, I like them now.

00:50:54.420 She called for their US work visas to be revoked.

00:50:58.440 Oh, dear. 0.96

00:50:59.520 But finally, the actual authorities sort of had a look at them as a few, yeah, kill your MP.

00:51:06.760 Yeah, a few weeks ago.

00:51:07.860 Is it just kill your MP that they said, or was there anything else that was particularly like, you know, egregious?

00:51:14.100 Oh, yeah, loads of it.

00:51:15.340 I mean, that is probably the worst, the actual direct incitement of violence.

00:51:19.820 Against, was it only Conservative MPs?

00:51:22.060 You only killed Conservative MPs?

00:51:23.860 Or was it just British MPs?

00:51:24.860 Your MP, yeah.

00:51:25.980 Your MP?

00:51:26.580 Yeah, I think so.

00:51:27.380 I think so.

00:51:28.600 I think so.

00:51:29.260 But they've certainly got a problem with specifically the Tories.

00:51:32.020 So, like Liberal Democrat in Winchester, you've got to watch out then, to be honest.

00:51:36.180 Sorry to say, do you remember there was that famous actress who was in, like, Juno and stuff, who then, like, had the sex change and became a man?

00:51:43.380 In what, sorry?

00:51:44.120 It was in what?

00:51:44.500 Oh, who?

00:51:46.240 There was an actress who had a sex change. 1.00

00:51:48.640 Is this the Elliot Page?

00:51:49.980 Yeah, and then became, like, Billy Page or something.

00:51:52.520 Yeah.

00:51:52.980 Elliot Page.

00:51:53.800 Yeah.

00:51:54.360 Is it just me, or just the one on the right?

00:51:56.120 Quite.

00:51:59.300 Really similar kind of physiognomy.

00:52:01.200 You're absolutely right.

00:52:02.880 Elliot Page's test is finally kicking in.

00:52:04.940 Yeah.

00:52:05.940 Yeah.

00:52:06.580 Yeah.

00:52:07.620 So, yeah, now the Crab Prosecution Service has actually sort of charged one of them.

00:52:14.800 Liam O'Hanna, that one.

00:52:17.080 Okay.

00:52:18.040 They've actually charged him.

00:52:19.400 Well, he doesn't live here, does he?

00:52:21.320 He doesn't live here.

00:52:22.340 No.

00:52:22.680 But, well, so what happened was they came over to the UK. 0.80

00:52:25.220 Yeah.

00:52:25.460 And did gigs in the UK.

00:52:27.360 Right.

00:52:27.620 And I think that was where they held up the Hezbollah flag, which is a terrorist.

00:52:32.400 A prescribed organisation as a terrorist flag, so they've gone for a terrorism piece of

00:52:36.820 legislation and therefore being able to charge them for that, under that.

00:52:40.060 Not because they've said kill the MP.

00:52:41.700 Well, both of those things.

00:52:42.520 Oh, they have done.

00:52:43.000 Both of those things, yeah.

00:52:43.360 Okay.

00:52:43.940 So, you know, both are sort of crimes.

00:52:46.900 And they're claiming they're being sort of unfairly persecuted and stuff.

00:52:50.660 They were quoting somebody from the 80s.

00:52:52.300 Ha, ha, ha.

00:52:53.080 Yeah.

00:52:53.280 Yeah.

00:52:54.760 Yeah.

00:52:55.760 Yeah.

00:52:56.160 Yeah.

00:52:56.240 So the process now is if they're out of the UK, then one would expect the Crown Prosecution

00:53:03.840 Service to now apply through the Home Office for an extradition from Ireland.

00:53:08.580 Well, I think they're here.

00:53:10.260 They've got them.

00:53:11.380 Oh.

00:53:11.540 Ladies and gentlemen, we've got Liam O'Hanna.

00:53:15.580 Yeah, no, they were just quoting Martin McGuinness from like 1982 or something.

00:53:19.780 Is that what they said?

00:53:21.560 No, no, no, no.

00:53:22.380 I haven't bothered with that.

00:53:23.420 Um, uh, so, yeah, I mean, let's get an idea of sort of person Liam O'Hanna is.

00:53:28.660 Why do you think English people know so little about Ireland?

00:53:30.740 Ignorance built in the air culture. 0.99

00:53:32.680 Always from, from the start of time, from when they fucking started taking over every country 0.99

00:53:36.340 in the world, they refused to learn their history and refused to come to terms with. 0.98

00:53:39.540 That's the difference between Germany. 0.95

00:53:41.080 After the World War, they learned a thing about the fucking World War and now they've come 0.99

00:53:44.140 to terms with the fact that, all right, the Nazis were a thing. 0.98

00:53:46.800 The best thing we can do is acknowledge it and get over it.

00:53:49.000 Whereas the Brits just want to just hate their past because they'd feel too guilty.

00:53:52.420 Yeah.

00:53:53.420 Why do you think English people know so little?

00:53:54.660 I'm sorry, I don't, I don't know what he said.

00:53:56.680 Yeah.

00:53:58.620 So the Anglo-Saxons that came over and got a few boats and drove up to Strathclyde and

00:54:04.980 then came down through the north.

00:54:06.520 Those Brits that they talking about, those Anglo-Saxons that didn't know about their history

00:54:10.820 as they're going across there.

00:54:11.960 The deals that were done between the Irish Brits and the Celts in order to safeguard their 0.92

00:54:18.140 lands, you know, and sell out their own people. 0.67

00:54:21.460 Gosh, that sort of history that they clearly read about.

00:54:24.600 He was suggesting that British people should think about their past like Germans think about 0.99

00:54:30.880 the Nazis.

00:54:31.600 That's literally what he said.

00:54:32.800 Yeah.

00:54:33.040 So I don't know what he bases that on.

00:54:37.220 Yeah. 1.00

00:54:37.740 Well, I mean, this is the politics of grievance from a moron. 0.99

00:54:44.040 The idea that British people don't know their history, not hardly, very rarely the case. 0.98

00:54:50.840 It's actually very rarely the case.

00:54:52.240 And he does look like his head's coming out of banana skin. 1.00

00:54:54.400 I'm not sure if, I'm not sure if he's particularly well read in history.

00:54:58.480 He doesn't seem to be.

00:54:59.880 I've never actually heard any legitimate historical analysis from the man.

00:55:04.100 You don't think he's an e-box watcher.

00:55:05.840 Yeah, probably not.

00:55:07.520 No.

00:55:08.320 But yeah, so I mean, they're just, they're just getting their comeuppance really is that

00:55:11.540 you can't, you're not above the law.

00:55:12.960 You can't do any, you can't say anything and expect not any kind of backlash.

00:55:17.980 So I've sort of got zero sympathy.

00:55:20.980 But I would have thought that if he'd have not been charged with one of these offences

00:55:24.600 and that if he'd have then gone on and been successful at the Brits, then one of our universities

00:55:30.360 would probably have offered him an honorary PhD in history or Irish history.

00:55:35.460 And then he could have paraded that in one of his songs.

00:55:38.340 And of course they don't talk about the actual.

00:55:40.200 That's a general thing they do nowadays.

00:55:41.340 The actual demographic problem that Ireland's facing at the moment, the actual issues facing

00:55:46.440 them at the moment.

00:55:47.200 No, not a dicky bird about any of that.

00:55:49.660 No.

00:55:49.920 Of course.

00:55:51.900 So yeah, and they tried to walk it back like pretty much straight away saying, you know,

00:55:56.040 we have not and we never have condoned any sort of violence.

00:55:59.560 We're all about love.

00:56:00.440 No, no, sorry.

00:56:01.900 You're on stage saying these things.

00:56:03.740 So it's a matter of record.

00:56:06.220 So it was interesting as well what you had to say about the fact that because one of the

00:56:11.220 questions I was going to ask before you said it was, do they have a label?

00:56:15.420 You know, are these independent guys who have just stuck themselves on Spotify as you can

00:56:20.280 do these days?

00:56:21.080 Or do they actually have money behind them?

00:56:23.340 Do they actually have backing, which comes to some points that you've been stressing

00:56:26.620 recently about the nature of the music industry and what it wants you to support and what

00:56:31.540 it wants you to consider to be to be trendy and cool?

00:56:35.220 Well, it will do because, you know, if you've been involved in the music and I had a small

00:56:39.700 business, a film finance business that involved doing work on concerts for what we heard and

00:56:46.460 we had to see the financial breakdown.

00:56:49.080 A producer, a production company that is supporting the media, if they're like them, suddenly have

00:56:54.480 to go across various places to actually put on their songs, they've got to book them in

00:57:01.500 advance.

00:57:01.900 So they might be putting up £6,000 or £10,000 in advance.

00:57:06.460 So overall, that budget, just for being able to book them, might be £100,000, £200,000.

00:57:11.740 Follow that on with the advertising that then has to link in to order to fill the seats.

00:57:17.360 Now, it's not just about putting it on social media and say, here we are, there we go.

00:57:20.040 There's a lot more to that.

00:57:21.640 Then the production of the labels.

00:57:23.120 Suddenly, you've put out quite a lot of money up front, which is why in their agreements

00:57:28.260 that you see them, they don't get rich very straight away.

00:57:31.220 It takes two or three albums, or the equivalent of, or various numbers of clicks on Spotify,

00:57:36.960 etc.

00:57:37.440 In order to recoup all of that back, plus the interest, which is normally compound basis.

00:57:42.160 So I don't know if he's actually being held on remand at the moment.

00:57:47.060 I don't know if Liam is actually in a cell in Paddington Green at the moment or not, or

00:57:51.380 whether they are back in Northern Ireland and they have to be extradited or what.

00:57:55.320 But he has been charged.

00:57:56.520 They have charged him with actual terrorism.

00:57:58.380 Actually, are they Northern Irish?

00:57:59.860 Yeah, I think Northern Irish.

00:58:00.720 Okay, well then that's fine.

00:58:02.000 They don't need an extradition treaty.

00:58:03.740 You can just get them straight back.

00:58:04.980 Yeah, yeah.

00:58:05.640 And I think it's going before Westminster, Westminster magistrates, which is funny because if you're

00:58:10.920 an Irish person that's got a massive chip on your shoulder about Britain and the English. 0.87

00:58:15.620 You've been summoned to Westminster.

00:58:16.860 The Crown Prosecution Service demands that you show up in Westminster to answer for your

00:58:23.020 crimes against the establishment and the state.

00:58:25.680 That's so funny.

00:58:26.500 Wouldn't it be funny just to turn up?

00:58:28.300 I just want to know when the date of the magistrate's hearing is.

00:58:31.200 I might just go just to see what sort of level of kind of campaign is out there, whether

00:58:35.900 there's all these like mini kneecaps out there.

00:58:39.860 Lots of mini kneecaps going, free Liam, free Liam or free Leo or whatever he is.

00:58:44.460 Poor Liam, he advocated for the murder of MPs and now he's got to answer for it in Westminster.

00:58:51.400 Talking about South Africa, you can hear the songs, free Nelson Mandela repeated by free Leo.

00:58:59.580 So, okay, that was just a sort of silly throwaway segment.

00:59:02.520 Stop there.

00:59:03.500 Sorry, Nemo.

00:59:04.140 I mean, it's funny you mentioned the honorary degrees.

00:59:08.220 We talked about Robert Mugabe earlier on.

00:59:10.260 One of the funniest things is that he was given dozens upon dozens of honorary degrees by our universities.

00:59:16.800 And then when it came out that there was a massive famine and, you know, I remember under Blair, there was a big, Blair wanted to bomb Zimbabwe at one point.

00:59:26.360 That's just Blair. 1.00

00:59:27.340 Of course he did.

00:59:28.200 The country doesn't have bombs.

00:59:30.920 But they were all, like, there was a whole state where loads of universities rescinded the honorary degrees that Robert Mugabe was given.

00:59:38.660 And very brave for the style of Tash you went for as well, Mugabe.

00:59:43.180 Yes, yes.

00:59:44.320 The Charlie Chaplin moustache.

00:59:46.060 I could never grow a Mugabe because I don't get growth in that bit.

00:59:50.340 Right, okay.

00:59:51.060 But I noticed you've got good, I can't remember what it's called, like the Fultrum or something like that.

00:59:55.300 Right.

00:59:56.100 Some name for it, but anyway.

00:59:58.200 As one who always remains clean shaven, I do not know what you're talking about.

01:00:02.620 I've never had to go for those issues.

01:00:04.480 It's the Charlie Chaplin, I look, we'll say.

01:00:06.140 Okay, do you mind reading subjects? I can't really see them from this angle.

01:00:09.440 Oh, yeah, sure.

01:00:10.120 So I've got, for $5, thank you very much, we've got Pax Reed who says,

01:00:14.440 I've got to give you five just for dropping Africa. 1.00

01:00:18.440 Oh, you're on it.

01:00:20.120 You're on Africa, Babata and the Soul Sonic Force, one of my first ever rap albums that I have.

01:00:25.080 Stored it upstairs in my mum's loft, came back thinking,

01:00:28.560 now it's going to be worth a bit of money, she'd thrown them all out.

01:00:30.780 I was absolutely gutted, you know.

01:00:33.460 So there was a lot.

01:00:35.040 And we used to have the kind of 7 inches, 12 inches, all were like greens and lime greens and blues,

01:00:44.520 all the brilliant different colours rather than just black vinyl.

01:00:47.920 And they would have been fantastic, even just put them up in a frame nowadays just for the colour.

01:00:52.120 I'm more of a Ladysmith Black Mombazo fan myself.

01:00:56.460 I tell you.

01:00:57.960 Remember that baked bean advert?

01:00:58.920 There was a moment, and it was, funny enough, it was the moment of the free Nelson Mandela thing,

01:01:05.360 where Ladysmith Black Mombazo, and I think all of the old boomer artists like Paul Simon and Paul McCartney,

01:01:13.980 they all had to bring out an album featuring Ladysmith Black Mombazo in this horrible moment of one world vision in 1991 or whatever it was.

01:01:23.520 Oh, dear.

01:01:25.220 All right, Stephen, over to your segment.

01:01:27.680 Right, okay, well, someone's going to have to use the clipper, aren't you?

01:01:30.860 Thank you.

01:01:31.220 Oh, okay, great.

01:01:32.500 Well, let's, unfortunately, let's rip this off now.

01:01:36.640 Where is it on there?

01:01:37.760 There we are.

01:01:38.300 And I'm not, is that mine?

01:01:43.500 Right, we're going to start here.

01:01:45.480 Obviously, immigration, my big thing, the Centre for Migration as well.

01:01:50.280 Today's big news in the UK, been called off the phone since about midnight last night,

01:01:56.460 was that the Office of National Statistics, who undertake the numbers of net migration,

01:02:01.040 the people, the amounts of people that are coming into the country, immigration,

01:02:04.800 with the amounts of emigration, were going to release their figures at 9.30 this morning.

01:02:10.480 And when they did, it's caused a palpable shock across the political and think tank world

01:02:18.360 because the numbers are, as I expected, to drop, but certainly not to drop in the numbers that we've seen.

01:02:26.880 I mean, so here you can see the Office of National Statistics put out here on their website,

01:02:32.940 and on X, the number for long-term net migration down almost 50% in a year.

01:02:41.700 So they say the number of people immigrating long-term minus the number of people emigrating long-term

01:02:47.240 is a provisionally estimated 431,000 in the year ending 2024 compared to 860,000 a year earlier.

01:02:57.560 Looking at that number 860,000, I compared it to what the ONS has been doing in their new model.

01:03:04.080 They have a new model before.

01:03:05.980 This is the brilliance of our calculation of immigration and emigration.

01:03:09.640 If you ever went to an airport and you saw a couple of people standing with a clipboard

01:03:14.660 and they might collar you and say, where are you going on holiday?

01:03:18.580 Are you working here?

01:03:20.160 That was how we collected the stats until only about two, two and a half years ago

01:03:24.700 in how we analysed how many people came into this country.

01:03:28.880 So a joke, clown shoes, absolute nonsense, really.

01:03:31.900 It was just tickle and all the rest of it, and that's how we got it.

01:03:34.140 So then they have a much more, what they call, radical dynamic approach of calculating numbers.

01:03:40.960 So for people who want to understand how it's done.

01:03:43.380 Now for people who come here, they collect visa information.

01:03:48.220 And that visa information, oddly enough, is only for non-EU citizens and their families.

01:03:53.520 So we've heard about working visas, skilled working visas, student visas, if you get that.

01:03:58.540 So they'll calculate that and allegedly calculate your family as well on that.

01:04:02.740 But they don't calculate EU citizens because EU citizens don't have to have a visa at all.

01:04:10.080 So therefore, it doesn't calculate their families and it doesn't calculate their children.

01:04:15.180 So they accept that doesn't work properly.

01:04:18.660 But they hope that as EU citizens work, we can get them also on national insurance and tax numbers.

01:04:24.560 But they do expect that the numbers will change, are more flexible, and more likely in the short term to be estimated upwards.

01:04:32.980 They talk about 30,000.

01:04:34.640 It wasn't this case.

01:04:35.960 It went up about 830,000 to 860,000.

01:04:39.440 So every year you've revised upwards, which is why a couple of years ago we had the numbers below a million,

01:04:44.480 but it was revised up to over a million.

01:04:46.560 So we've now had two years to nearly three years of close to a million people coming in as net migration.

01:04:54.400 That's our population increasing by a million a year.

01:04:57.320 So the big numbers for them is, wow, we're now down 431,000, which is fascinating.

01:05:04.180 So I thought to people, OK, you're going to hear a lot about this on the press.

01:05:07.480 Let's try and analyse how it works through.

01:05:09.680 But just to say before you carry on, there's still a massive number.

01:05:12.800 Absolutely.

01:05:13.820 430,000.

01:05:13.980 They're still giant.

01:05:15.080 Yeah.

01:05:15.400 It's like saying when inflation is down from 8% to merely 3% or 4%.

01:05:18.800 Yeah, that's still terrible.

01:05:20.800 Yeah, it's still really bad.

01:05:21.580 It's still going up.

01:05:22.520 Yeah, but that's because the TVs, which are calculations, have dropped from 1,000 to 800.

01:05:27.340 But by the way, you cost a bread, electricity and gas are still up.

01:05:30.660 They're the ones.

01:05:31.400 But don't worry about that.

01:05:32.580 Because that's why it's important to look through the numbers.

01:05:35.360 We're only replacing you slightly slower than we were before.

01:05:39.100 That's right.

01:05:39.260 Only 460,000.

01:05:41.240 I mean, bearing in mind that the estimates of the OBR, who oddly enough, I don't know why

01:05:46.840 it's the ONS and the Office of Budget Responsibility, do the calculations of future population, but

01:05:51.880 they do.

01:05:52.760 They estimate that on 300,000, the country will have about 75 million people by the time

01:05:59.400 that we get to 2035, which is about 6, 7 million more than we are.

01:06:04.640 On these numbers, that would move us up to about 78.

01:06:07.840 And my estimation, when the centre, we put in about 500,000, so pushing up to 80 million,

01:06:14.000 another 10 in 10 years.

01:06:16.220 Unsustainable for the country of our size, increasing density levels, and lots of... 1.00

01:06:20.320 Disastrous, catastrophic.

01:06:21.600 Catastrophic in so many ways.

01:06:22.760 I'm now looking at research on the levels of depression and mental health illnesses that

01:06:28.640 rise as populations rise due to density and the enormous numbers of studies that have come

01:06:32.880 through that.

01:06:33.640 Once I've finished that, I'll put that out here first, I think, because that's really

01:06:37.040 quite, quite, quite big.

01:06:38.300 So, you're right.

01:06:40.080 That's the first thing to pick up.

01:06:41.640 It's still 400, you know, still 400-odd thousand people, 430,000 coming here.

01:06:47.500 And they love this graph so far.

01:06:49.100 I've seen a few Labour MPs looking at that.

01:06:51.800 Look, we're here.

01:06:53.840 This is in charge now.

01:06:55.380 We're bringing immigration down. 1.00

01:06:57.120 That's what you wanted, isn't it?

01:06:58.460 So, they've come out.

01:07:03.020 The issue, they're saying, is driven by a fall in immigration from non-EU nationals with

01:07:09.260 reductions in people arriving on work and study-related visas.

01:07:13.480 It's interesting enough, there has been a reduction in the work and study visas.

01:07:18.420 But the point they put here is an increase in immigration driven by people who came on

01:07:22.880 student visas after the coronavirus pandemic now leaving the UK.

01:07:29.460 Well, I found that a little bit interesting.

01:07:30.940 I've got to look into these numbers a bit more because the student numbers don't seem

01:07:34.260 as big a fall as they're projecting.

01:07:38.420 But that is where they're looking at the categories.

01:07:40.980 The four categories are students, work, and then you've got a kind of blank category of

01:07:47.700 anyone that includes people coming over and pilgrimages, and then family reunion, which

01:07:52.460 is normally the very big one.

01:07:53.800 That's normally much bigger than people think.

01:07:55.980 And that's the one that they can work on.

01:07:57.400 So they're saying, look, we've got a massive fall in immigration numbers coming through,

01:08:02.500 and I'm going to deal with that.

01:08:05.560 Now, where's the massive fall in immigration?

01:08:09.780 Take a look on the left.

01:08:10.860 948,000 people still came to the country last year.

01:08:16.660 Nearly a million people came to the country.

01:08:18.480 The only big difference over the last few years is that that number has been over a million.

01:08:23.800 It's been like 1.1, 1.2.

01:08:26.340 And the number of people have emigrated have been around 200.

01:08:29.460 So we've had a bump of about 300,000, which I think is just a one-off bump due to potentially

01:08:36.640 the COVID argument that the ONS is putting through.

01:08:40.240 We're still getting a million a year.

01:08:43.020 And that is the number that we need to be looking at, because that is the number that's

01:08:46.600 going to drive the population growth.

01:08:48.600 So I'm saying, OK, I'm maybe being a little bit aggressive by the use of the word scam.

01:08:53.920 But what I want to say to people is be careful about looking at these numbers and assume that

01:08:58.480 the government is in your side because numbers are falling.

01:09:02.160 It's not necessarily numbers.

01:09:03.780 I think this could be just a one-off related.

01:09:06.580 Or maybe even a two-quarter or three-quarter, because the way they analyse it is every quarter.

01:09:13.000 So you need to be quite smart to break it back and say, these are the figures for December

01:09:18.280 24 compared to December 23.

01:09:20.540 But actually, where we've come out today is they're looking at September numbers and June

01:09:24.560 numbers of every year, the quarter.

01:09:26.540 So you have to try and work it backwards to a year.

01:09:29.460 Otherwise, it'll look a lot bigger.

01:09:32.060 And that's what they like to trick you on.

01:09:33.440 Well, it's a classic thing that governments do, or rather more, probably more likely

01:09:36.940 as Whitehall do, or Whitehall do at the behest of governments.

01:09:40.260 I mean, it was one of my first introductions to the reality of politics when I was a kid

01:09:44.940 still in the John Major era, when the hot topics at the time was unemployment.

01:09:50.840 Yeah.

01:09:51.140 And it would just be clear that they would just, you play statistical games.

01:09:54.920 Yeah.

01:09:55.360 To not include certain people and to just massage the figures to make it seem better politically

01:10:02.100 for them.

01:10:03.440 And as soon as anyone with any sort of brain, any sort of adult, digs into it for themselves,

01:10:08.780 you realise, oh no, they're just trying to fool us.

01:10:11.340 They're hoping we won't look past the headline, their headline.

01:10:13.880 Yeah.

01:10:14.540 Yeah, the realities are still the best part of a million people coming in.

01:10:17.820 Well, that's the issue.

01:10:20.040 Yeah, I mean, it's funny, you talked about the people doing the interviews and collecting

01:10:26.540 the data that way.

01:10:27.400 One of my original hit videos on YouTube, all the way back in the day, was called How Tony

01:10:33.460 Blair Massage Crime Statistics.

01:10:34.840 Because when the new Labour came in, they were always hot on, on paper, showing a trend that

01:10:42.540 they had acted and the line goes down or the line goes up.

01:10:46.060 One of the things they did is they changed the way the crime statistically was recorded

01:10:52.780 from actual crimes to victim interviews, which are then aggregated, almost like you do the

01:11:02.200 TV data.

01:11:03.240 Yeah.

01:11:03.320 And, and so when you're looking at historical crime stats, you have to understand that when

01:11:09.460 the Blair government came in, they changed how they did it.

01:11:11.900 So then it looks on paper that the crime goes down.

01:11:15.100 When I drilled into those numbers, I was like, hold on a second, more crime was committed than

01:11:19.420 ever before in the 2000s.

01:11:21.900 Yeah.

01:11:22.080 And also, like, does it, like, does the country feel safer in 2010 than it did in 2000?

01:11:27.560 No.

01:11:27.960 No.

01:11:28.560 So it was purely this trick of the data.

01:11:31.840 When it comes to this, I'm very interested, I kind of foresaw this happening.

01:11:36.760 I was expecting a big number, 50% is bigger than I thought.

01:11:40.380 Yeah, it is bigger than I.

01:11:42.100 Mainly because of the students, because the Tories did make it laxer, you know, they relaxed

01:11:47.220 the rules to basically prop up the unis.

01:11:50.400 But my understanding is that only about a third of the so-called Boris wave were students.

01:11:56.500 So have we figured out how they're getting the 50% drop?

01:11:59.360 Well, this is where I'm going to come into, and I've done a brief analysis.

01:12:03.500 I was up, you know, quite early, six-ish this morning, trying to prepare the ground for

01:12:08.200 this so that not only are we going to do this, but, you know, get some everything out on C-MEP

01:12:11.540 as well.

01:12:12.380 And as I started looking in, when it hit at 9.30, I opened up the data base, which has

01:12:18.020 about, like, 12 different kind of data sets that you have to throw.

01:12:21.700 Then you've got to pull them out and put them into your own data sets that I've created

01:12:24.840 over time.

01:12:26.200 It becomes, and I'll come to it, and I'll deal with it in turn, there is some, like, really

01:12:31.300 weird things about where the numbers are declining.

01:12:34.300 But dealing with your point, first of all, it's very important.

01:12:36.640 I want you've raised that issue, as you've done about with Tony Blair, is the way that

01:12:41.640 they use the data and then how they present it.

01:12:44.420 So when you look at the immigration data on the Office of National Statistics and then

01:12:49.020 how it's presented in the Home Office, I get an email sent every morning, so I had about

01:12:52.600 six emails from the Home Office this morning.

01:12:54.860 They all come out with these big figures, numbers have dropped, and then they pick up

01:12:58.640 things like this.

01:12:59.500 This is the image that you're going to get.

01:13:02.580 And so most people will say, oh, immigration, emigration, net migration, jolly good job, and

01:13:07.160 this is our provisional estimates, and they might give a little bit of data about it.

01:13:11.860 And so that enables people like the media then on their side to come out and go, hey,

01:13:19.800 aren't you doing a jolly good job?

01:13:21.100 ONS has just produced its data, it's a big deal.

01:13:24.700 Okay, fair point.

01:13:25.860 It is a big deal if you've got these numbers dropping.

01:13:28.440 First time in 10 years, in years it's dropped, migration is falling meaningfully, albeit from

01:13:35.360 a very high peak.

01:13:36.260 It's giving the left now, and their supporters, the kind of terminology that they want to be

01:13:42.420 able to say, the big issue, this government's dealing with it, we've got the data, it's

01:13:47.540 there, all presented for you.

01:13:49.220 The language of government and the Home Office are presenting it through their media teams

01:13:52.540 to get it out so we can start utilising it in this way.

01:13:56.220 Here's one of their graphs from the source of the ONS.

01:13:59.200 Sorry to interrupt, but do you see that, do you see after 2016, there's that little drop

01:14:04.120 there from 2016 to 2017?

01:14:06.580 Yeah.

01:14:07.180 I remember distinctly the left taking that data, where it would have been zoomed in at

01:14:13.460 the time, the Brexit result, taking those two things together, immigration is falling

01:14:18.380 and the country voted for Brexit.

01:14:20.120 And then, they did a pile of, like, YouGov polls and so on, and because people believed

01:14:26.020 that something was being done, immigration dropped as a concern in the country.

01:14:31.320 That's right.

01:14:31.940 Absolutely.

01:14:32.740 And I wouldn't be surprised if all the old nudge units and so on are thinking exactly 1.00

01:14:37.660 this when it comes to this narrative.

01:14:39.140 And this is where I'm thinking with the narrative.

01:14:41.300 What happened also there, you suddenly had two, three organisations that I know, run by reasonably

01:14:46.900 decent people, I have a decent argument with you, and like British Future, British Future

01:14:52.480 concentrates predominantly on interviews with people, raising polling data to say immigration

01:15:00.660 is not a massive issue.

01:15:03.080 People like people coming in as long as they work and they pay taxes.

01:15:06.440 So, they use that data and it's funded by leftists within the conservative community and leftists

01:15:15.760 of the business community as well.

01:15:17.700 They can fund that organisation to say, right, let's go ahead with this, get this data out,

01:15:22.380 because it's not cheap to do a poll.

01:15:24.540 And similar sorts of organisations to do that.

01:15:28.040 And then, they came out with those polls and those polls are picked up by Ed Conway on the

01:15:32.000 back of net migration finally falling, I then got British Future to turn around and say,

01:15:37.600 look, people are no longer as worried about immigration.

01:15:41.040 How are you dealing with that, Farage?

01:15:42.580 How are you dealing with that reform?

01:15:44.020 People don't care about immigration anymore.

01:15:45.840 The thing is that I feel like that might have, you know, delayed things in 2016 after the Brexit

01:15:52.780 vote and everything.

01:15:53.980 But we've had the Boris wave now, right?

01:15:56.760 We've had the Boris wave now.

01:15:58.320 And fundamentally, they can put out as many numbers and fancy figures as they want and

01:16:03.340 try and bend the narrative through numbers.

01:16:06.240 But it doesn't match the raw reality of what people are seeing and feeling on the streets.

01:16:10.840 It's fascinating.

01:16:11.520 When you look at this graph, obviously, there you've got the COVID periods.

01:16:14.160 But here we are.

01:16:15.500 This is it.

01:16:16.240 So, you had a growth.

01:16:18.680 I mean, this is ridiculous growth from 300,000 there, 250, 280, where we were, to the first

01:16:24.140 step of 550,000.

01:16:26.500 And no one, I remember calling it out at the time and saying, look, this is the start of

01:16:32.240 something that's going to be horrific at the time.

01:16:35.060 And there we are, up to a peak.

01:16:37.420 He's saying it's not revised up.

01:16:38.840 It was revised up a little bit, but not hugely, as I admit.

01:16:42.360 But this jump, look at it, from like zero to a million within two years and stayed there.

01:16:51.560 I wrote an essay once, and I still am reasonably convinced by this argument as to why did Boris

01:16:59.620 Wave happen?

01:17:00.980 And I think it's because, and again, you can tell me what you make of this idea.

01:17:06.080 They printed off so much money during COVID.

01:17:08.120 And unlike quantitative easing, which was put on the asset balance sheets of Goldman Sachs

01:17:15.580 and the financial firms and so on, so it never reached the real economy, COVID printing through

01:17:21.100 furlough reached the real economy, the M0 money supply, right?

01:17:25.720 So that meant that there was excess money in the economy.

01:17:30.340 So one theory, which is still the only rational explanation for this, well, there is another

01:17:37.200 one which we can talk about, is that basically this was human quantitative easing.

01:17:43.660 They imported this number of people to be here to soak up the excess money so we didn't get 1.00

01:17:51.160 runaway inflation.

01:17:52.480 Because even if you're a student, you still have to buy lunch.

01:17:56.640 You still have to spend money on stuff.

01:18:00.100 And as long as they're spending that money, you don't get a massive adjustment between

01:18:06.400 the money supply and the supply of all the goods.

01:18:09.660 I think that's really interesting.

01:18:11.560 I hadn't really put it in terms of that, how it connected into the growth and GDP argument

01:18:16.880 that the Treasury consistently put out, is that after COVID, we were declining in GDP.

01:18:22.460 Our numbers in percentage terms to our fellow competitors, G7, G10, very dangerous for us

01:18:28.860 to drop out of the top tier, because that has a knock-on impact with the markets.

01:18:33.360 The markets say, if you're out of that level, then suddenly your bonds are going to cost more.

01:18:38.500 Interest rates will go up.

01:18:40.100 Inflation will rise because of that.

01:18:42.000 So it's really a push by the Treasury to make sure we're always high on GDP.

01:18:46.320 And one way is obviously bringing human capital on that.

01:18:50.520 The second is why I think there was a huge fear that after COVID, lots of people in their

01:18:55.820 50s and onwards were saying, I'm not going to go to work anymore.

01:18:58.580 I don't want to deal with woke anymore. 1.00

01:19:00.120 I've seen my life potentially could die.

01:19:02.640 So therefore, they were staying at home, if you remember that concern.

01:19:06.400 So big corporate employers were pleading with Boris, pleading with Priti Patel to open

01:19:13.120 the floodgates because we'd have no baristas. 1.00

01:19:15.280 We'd have no drivers for DHL.

01:19:17.040 We'd have no one coming into the hospitals and nurses. 0.88

01:19:19.300 But actually, having looked at that, maybe that was an aside issue that fitted alongside

01:19:23.900 the economic arguments.

01:19:25.980 And I might have to look into that a little bit more.

01:19:28.120 I'm conscious of time.

01:19:29.120 The other thing, though, is that possibly without Boris's way, the university sector may have

01:19:35.080 collapsed as well.

01:19:36.200 The other thing, just very quickly, Stephen, I mean, that may be the case, what you've

01:19:39.840 described there.

01:19:40.780 I feel like it was more the case that Boris answered to other people, people like Biden

01:19:45.820 or Biden's controllers, people like the people, the cabal that runs the EU, Schwab, all sorts

01:19:52.860 of big companies that just want cheap labour.

01:19:55.440 He actually answers to them.

01:19:57.120 And they wanted a million new people a year.

01:19:59.500 And that's it.

01:20:00.580 It was less to do with sort of quite an elegant but complicated description there.

01:20:07.080 I feel like they just said, we just need loads and loads of cheap labour and screw the fabric

01:20:11.960 of society and screw the native bridge.

01:20:13.780 You've got to understand the power.

01:20:15.040 I feel like it's just that.

01:20:15.940 You've got to understand the power of the investment banks.

01:20:18.960 I worked in hedge funds.

01:20:20.000 I ran the Hedge Fund Lawyers Association for a couple of years.

01:20:26.060 Hedge funds have power.

01:20:27.540 That's true.

01:20:28.500 But not as much power in terms of the way that you look at debt and interest rates and

01:20:33.220 the control as a foreign policy instrument for the United States as well.

01:20:38.420 But also, most of those, including the big hedge funds, are investing in these large corporate

01:20:43.200 companies.

01:20:44.420 So people are talking about BlackRock at the moment, having secret meetings or meetings that

01:20:48.960 are not so secret, but you can't get to know what they talked about with Keir Starmer,

01:20:53.220 investing in energy companies, investing in solar panels, investing in land companies

01:20:57.300 that want to build on farmlands.

01:20:59.500 All of them are saying, look, you've got an economy that's falling.

01:21:02.100 That's going to impact our bonds.

01:21:03.860 So you do as we're told.

01:21:05.340 And that fear with the power of the Treasury is enough of what drove Liz Truss out. 1.00

01:21:11.360 She was about to try and change things in a way that I preferred.

01:21:15.180 And anyone who wants to do that will get up against those two big elements.

01:21:20.500 I'm just going to run through quickly because I'm very conscious of the time that we got

01:21:23.300 here.

01:21:23.880 Even the Migration Observatory, I like Marianne Sumption.

01:21:26.780 She's fairly sensible.

01:21:28.140 She sits on the Migration Advisory Committee, admits that this is fairly big in terms of a

01:21:33.700 fall.

01:21:34.480 And it comes out here.

01:21:36.400 New migration, big news from Georgia and the Stern.

01:21:40.080 They're going to summarize the key takeaways.

01:21:42.200 That's worth a read if you want to go and have a look at that.

01:21:44.400 And I'm plowing through.

01:21:46.800 I've got it in there, but it's caused by large emigration.

01:21:50.220 That's our centre.

01:21:51.080 I'm just going to show, putting the numbers there for you in each of the years to show

01:21:55.640 how immigration, that huge numbers still.

01:21:59.040 Look, it's the 300,000 drop in immigration and 200,000 before.

01:22:04.280 Some of that is to do with the family reunions that were started to be changed and the students.

01:22:09.160 But look at the numbers.

01:22:10.180 It's only 300,000 fall in immigration.

01:22:11.940 So, therefore, the emigration number may have an excessive impact on net immigration.

01:22:18.360 Now, I think I've done another one there for people to have a quick look at.

01:22:22.280 I think that emigration is the biggest fall by country.

01:22:25.840 This is where we go to your point.

01:22:27.200 I've now tried to drill into the emigration numbers.

01:22:30.760 How do you get the students?

01:22:31.940 How do you get those who are leaving?

01:22:32.980 And when you get the emigration category, the big countries who are emigrating are really India and China.

01:22:41.980 This comes to your student point.

01:22:43.620 Most of them is a combination of student work.

01:22:45.860 54,000 Indians and 45,000 Chinese Nigerians, oddly enough, 15,000.

01:22:51.720 I think they're solely related to the scam that was created by Priti Patel on student visas,

01:22:57.640 that you could come here and maybe they're the ones going.

01:23:00.120 But I calculated this as like the top 10.

01:23:02.860 It's only 147,000 emigration from the top 10 countries.

01:23:08.440 So I'm trying to work out where the other 200,000, 300,000 is coming from.

01:23:13.240 Where is it? Do we know?

01:23:14.340 No, I have not enough time and I will drill into this and when I get it, I'll put it out there.

01:23:19.560 Luca made a great point though.

01:23:20.500 It's like what you see on the high street in your day-to-day life.

01:23:23.240 There's that classic thing about perhaps bodybuilding or losing weight.

01:23:26.000 You can talk about calories and macros, but in the end it's what you look like in the mirror.

01:23:31.320 It's the same with this.

01:23:32.180 You can talk about statistics all you like.

01:23:34.260 Is my high street flooded with foreign people or not?

01:23:37.900 Yes, and I still believe that.

01:23:39.000 And it still is.

01:23:40.040 And one interesting thing to come about is a different story, and again about time,

01:23:44.200 is all these emigration numbers and immigration numbers are always reversed upwards

01:23:49.060 once you get the annual 10-year survey of our population.

01:23:55.100 And all of these are estimates.

01:23:57.040 That gives a better figure and that comes through.

01:23:59.740 So this is where the Tories are now.

01:24:02.560 Let's look at this.

01:24:03.840 The Tories are the first hot off the box.

01:24:05.660 They're saying, it's us.

01:24:07.300 This is down to us.

01:24:09.320 Forget the fact it was down to you that it rose in the first place enormously,

01:24:12.580 but the changes I secured as immigration have led to net migration, but still far too high.

01:24:18.100 I'm nervous of it.

01:24:19.180 Robert, you failed as immigration minister profoundly.

01:24:22.320 As someone who has done more than anyone else to try to destroy the Tory party,

01:24:28.700 I will give Sunak and that government, they did change the rules back just on the way.

01:24:34.940 No, and I've got to agree with that as well, and I do agree.

01:24:37.300 I know Robert failed in many ways, but he wanted to go much further than this.

01:24:41.900 I mean, I knew the advisers into Priti Patel.

01:24:45.020 I knew the advisers, Swayla Braverman, she never had a chance.

01:24:47.800 She wanted to go much further than him, and they got rid of her as quickly as possible.

01:24:51.360 Robert tried to go around this man.

01:24:56.080 No, sorry, Sunak was prime minister.

01:24:58.220 It was in his power to go to war with Whitehall, if that's what it took, and he didn't.

01:25:05.120 Yeah, he tried.

01:25:06.000 I don't buy that Swayla and Priti were like,

01:25:08.960 oh, it was our permanent secretaries stopped us from doing it. 0.98

01:25:12.440 Well, you're the government then.

01:25:13.460 It's your job to go to war with them then, and you didn't. 0.59

01:25:15.760 Priti was different.

01:25:16.600 She talked really strongly and didn't do it, and it was a real shame,

01:25:19.600 and I think people who knew her at the time were very, very let down,

01:25:22.880 including people working with her.

01:25:24.080 And Swayla was just not given the opportunity, 0.96

01:25:26.800 and she had some good people I knew who were really there as advisers.

01:25:30.600 Remember, you get your civil servants plus your own advisers that you can bring in,

01:25:33.780 and they were ready to do some really hard stuff.

01:25:36.440 Robert took a while to get around to it, and by the time he did, it was too late,

01:25:39.480 because of this man, essentially, here, who's now crowing.

01:25:42.880 I mean, just listen to it.

01:25:45.620 It's the work I did as Home Secretary.

01:25:48.700 And can we play this? Is it work?

01:25:50.620 The net migration to the UK has halved because of the changes that I put in place

01:25:56.760 when I was in the sector.

01:25:57.780 I put it in.

01:25:59.140 I had nothing to do with Robert.

01:26:01.100 The Office of National Statistics have just released figures showing that net migration...

01:26:03.920 Right, there you go.

01:26:04.740 Anyway, so the Tories are out there claiming, and I think the Tories there...

01:26:09.080 We pumped them up to 1.3, and now they've come down.

01:26:14.540 Oh, they've only come down.

01:26:16.600 460.

01:26:17.800 How disingenuous could you get?

01:26:19.300 Yeah, well, this is why people are not finding that they can believe them.

01:26:22.700 Dropped in half, down to us.

01:26:24.760 Under Kimi Badegnat's leadership, we will fix it.

01:26:28.120 Well, the numbers may stabilise here.

01:26:30.140 May fall again next year.

01:26:31.980 Probably will come up again.

01:26:33.300 But I still can't see them coming down much bigger than this.

01:26:37.120 Matt Goodwin talks about the opportunity in recent years,

01:26:41.100 but 100,000 higher than when people voted for Brexit.

01:26:44.200 Very true.

01:26:45.720 That's today.

01:26:47.420 It's actually about 130,000.

01:26:49.740 Meanwhile, back on planet Earth.

01:26:52.880 This is what people are seeing every day.

01:26:55.040 They might see a fall in numbers.

01:26:56.980 Pedophiles, we can't deport to Pakistan. 1.00

01:26:58.580 Pakistan migrant dinghy being forced to avoid more channel migrant boats,

01:27:04.000 which are up 32% compared to last year.

01:27:07.460 So I expect about 50,000 to 55,000 coming across on the channel route.

01:27:11.720 But also, the numbers coming on the backs of lurries are rising again.

01:27:15.820 They've always been one to two, but they're now saying,

01:27:18.000 well, we'll come across as well,

01:27:19.360 because actually some people's smugglers are charging too much.

01:27:22.340 So they're going for a cheaper route on the backs of lurries or underneath them.

01:27:25.880 So they're going to rise.

01:27:27.080 It's interesting here, back again, a quarter of Birmingham, now out of work,

01:27:33.120 who are a Manchester booing employer's desperate for staff.

01:27:35.920 One in five on the dole, mainly about people who are non-UK citizens.

01:27:42.000 Although he doesn't want to use those numbers, if Fraser Nelson.

01:27:45.400 He's just talking about unemployment.

01:27:48.220 But we've already realised that most of these unemployed now

01:27:51.440 are coming from foreign countries.

01:27:53.220 Well, Fraser Nelson is a fifth columnist, as simple as that.

01:27:55.440 I'm sorry, if Mae Johnson and Sunak wanted to profoundly lower immigration,

01:28:02.960 there's a whole number of things they could have done.

01:28:06.000 Not increase it, number one.

01:28:07.840 Yeah.

01:28:08.740 But this idea that they were just hamstrung by Whitehall.

01:28:12.480 Well, no, it's the job then of government to take Whitehall by the scruff of the neck.

01:28:17.540 I agree.

01:28:18.380 And they didn't do that.

01:28:19.960 Yeah.

01:28:20.140 Like James Cleverley.

01:28:21.560 Are you kidding me?

01:28:22.860 No, he's...

01:28:23.680 He would be first prosecuted for treason in Bowes, Britain.

01:28:27.060 He's not the sort of individual that would want to attack the blob at all.

01:28:32.320 I mean, he's looking for his knighthood, or he's looking for a membership of the House of Lords,

01:28:36.580 which means he's got to tick along doing as he's told.

01:28:39.180 Two little things I want to mention here.

01:28:40.820 First, on the point of statistics, there's an essay by Thomas Carlyle called Statistics,

01:28:47.300 where he literally says, look, you can give me all the statistics in the world.

01:28:52.840 I live in London.

01:28:53.720 I live in Victorian London.

01:28:54.940 Go and take a walk.

01:28:56.860 Go and believe. 0.99

01:28:57.620 Don't believe your lying eyes.

01:28:59.260 What's really interesting is that Carlyle was very influential on Charles Dickens,

01:29:04.060 who was famous for taking a walk around London.

01:29:06.600 And now, our imagination of Victorian London isn't the statistics.

01:29:12.000 It's Dickens is...

01:29:12.760 We think of Dickens is London, not what the stats were saying.

01:29:16.560 And this is a very similar situation where it's like, look, you can't go...

01:29:20.760 I mean, I know Swindon gets a bashing all the time.

01:29:23.440 I saw Charlie Downs talking about it the other day.

01:29:25.800 But you take a walk down that...

01:29:27.280 There was a lot of strangers, I'll just say, picking up this drink just now.

01:29:32.180 The other thing I just want to say really quickly on this is,

01:29:36.600 in the Island of Strangers speech, Keir Starmer,

01:29:41.040 he de-linked GDP in immigration.

01:29:45.880 And I noticed that Larry Fink of BlackRock also gave a speech not that long ago

01:29:50.700 saying the countries that are going to survive are going to be high automation,

01:29:56.060 low immigration, monocultures. 1.00

01:29:59.540 And I'm wondering if thinking within the so-called blob has changed.

01:30:04.200 Otherwise, Starmer is taking on the Treasury.

01:30:06.060 I was actually angry with that because I've got to talk about Rupert Lowe.

01:30:09.660 Basically, net migration is weak.

01:30:12.280 We need deportation, visa expropriations to reduce the numbers. 0.87

01:30:15.920 Because it was the most literal thing that I actually referred to in a previous podcast we had on here.

01:30:23.360 The first Prime Minister ever to talk around the way that growth has been tested,

01:30:28.120 in his words, to a response to a Sky question.

01:30:31.720 It's been tested on growth and it's failed.

01:30:34.640 That has not been mentioned before.

01:30:36.380 There has been one paper by the Treasury talking about growth not working with GDP,

01:30:42.640 with growth with immigration.

01:30:43.840 But that was the first time a Prime Minister in this country has de-linked those two.

01:30:47.540 I've raised it.

01:30:48.660 Not many in the press have.

01:30:50.440 I'm glad you picked up on it as well because I think it's fundamental.

01:30:53.280 We need not one more visa and a system of mass remigration 1.00

01:30:57.220 so that the numbers gross or net come down or in minuses.

01:31:01.640 Yeah, that would be useful.

01:31:02.860 To the tune of hundreds of thousands year on year.

01:31:04.940 That's what we need.

01:31:05.740 And that's what Rupert and others are now advocating.

01:31:08.020 And how long before that becomes a part of normal political agendas?

01:31:14.000 Well, I'm very sorry for not getting to your video comments.

01:31:19.860 We'll get to them tomorrow.

01:31:20.820 It's my fault.

01:31:21.420 First time hosting and not very good timekeeping apparently.

01:31:24.600 But thank you very much for tuning in and we'll see you again at 1pm tomorrow.

01:31:29.200 So thank you.

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - May 22, 2025

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1170

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