The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1254

00:00:00.000 hello and welcome to the podcast of the load seaters episode 1254 for wednesday the 17th

00:00:09.580 of september 2025 i'm your host luca joined today by harry the owl and brother stelios how are you

00:00:18.300 hello everyone good uh today we're going to be talking all about the uh mounting panic in this

00:00:25.460 from the starma bunker we're then going to be talking about uh more and more how more and more

00:00:31.140 evidence about charlie kirk's murderer tyler johnson is i think we should still say alleged

00:00:37.420 even though yeah i mean he's basically all right okay uh very alleged murderer um is making the

00:00:44.160 left look crazy and then we're going to be talking about how de-platforming people who say they want

00:00:50.060 you dead isn't actually cancel culture funnily enough so shall we begin so it seems that um

00:00:58.220 with every single government that we've had in a living memory really they never end successfully

00:01:03.900 they always end in chaos right they always end with scandal upon scandal mounting advisors and

00:01:11.580 allies leaving and um to try and save their own skins abandoning ship abandoning ship

00:01:18.860 because every single government seems to be destined to be the prime minister is always just

00:01:24.220 the captain of the titanic it seems over and over again and it's um it seems like that time has come

00:01:31.240 now for starma's government as well and i believe that a part of the panic is because they heard that

00:01:37.700 islander magazine isn't going to be on the sale for an awful lot longer ladies and gentlemen so

00:01:44.340 oh brother and i thought my ad reads were bad oh my goodness carry on if you purposefully make them

00:01:52.560 bad then they're good that's not how that works they may be bad but we feel good exactly simple as

00:02:00.580 so please go and buy it it's um got some fantastic essays in it you've heard it all before but we say it

00:02:07.420 because we insist and you can get it on the website for 14.99 plus the poke postage and packaging so

00:02:14.680 in the past two days you were saying that um kia starma is the captain of the titanic and his heart

00:02:22.520 will go on well i don't know if it will actually well i'll explain why in a in a little bit so two uh

00:02:30.020 two days ago we had a senior starma advisor quitting over offensive diane abbott messages

00:02:36.680 and no before you're all what was so offensive about them before you're all wondering i'm afraid

00:02:42.160 he's not our guy despite all those messages imagine imagine you think that this is the only shot you

00:02:48.940 have to save the country because this is what the rhetoric was and is about and just saying no i'm

00:02:55.280 gonna abandon ship because you had some offensive messages about diane abbott well the thing is as

00:03:01.160 well that these messages are not new messages these messages stem from eight years ago so someone has

00:03:08.300 been sitting on these to use his fodder as ammunition for a long time now this is a great plan

00:03:16.260 well what were the offensive messages again because i've heard them described as uh not offensive messages

00:03:22.520 but something far far worse well there was there was a game of um like classic game of shag marry kill

00:03:31.080 you see and uh diane abbott was uh one of the names involved in in this little game and so honestly it's

00:03:40.560 one of the poorest excuses i've ever seen to have someone sacked over but the fact that this is coming

00:03:47.340 now does point to the fact that obviously there are many people within white hall downing street and

00:03:55.160 from the left of the party there could be an alternative explanation which means that he has

00:04:01.440 in fact done something way worse people are going to focus just on that and they are not going to inquire

00:04:08.860 about what is worse just it just could be because i just can't believe that you know they're raising

00:04:15.240 this alarmist culture where you know hitler is rising any moment from now and they have to and

00:04:21.340 they have to fight it but hey this guy had some weird messages so he's going to abandon ship no i'm not

00:04:27.940 buying it no i i don't either there are obviously probably deeper reasons for it secrets will come

00:04:34.420 out when all sorts of come tumbling out but uh anyway aside from the hot fuzz references uh the point is

00:04:40.840 that this is not some small name paul ovenden was kia starmer's director of political strategy

00:04:46.880 um so there's quite the scalp actually uh to be taken from the government and obviously this comes

00:04:55.040 after the uh tragic uh and huge loss to the labor party of diane sorry diane i would she's a survivor

00:05:04.800 apparently of angela rayner political operator yes is diane abbott unironically she's lasted that long 1.00

00:05:11.700 she always puts her both left feet forward um sorry i meant to say angela rayner of course as deputy

00:05:18.640 prime minister and then of course um more scandalously lord mandelson as ambassador to america now the lord

00:05:27.180 mandelson to remind people had been a very very important part of the pr campaigning of new labor in

00:05:34.340 the 1990s he was a fundamental part of the trio of blair brown mandelson and now they've lost their

00:05:41.340 political strategy guy as well so uh what little pr savvy the labor government had seems to be drying up

00:05:49.600 very quickly it's interesting to to read as well when you hear uh the whispers from inside you know

00:05:56.580 and the people who are talking about it through the back channels because they talk about with the loss

00:06:01.460 of ovenden how this is a great loss because he was so he was so much a part of our what led to our

00:06:07.340 victory last year it's like your victory was just guaranteed by not being the tories right there was

00:06:15.360 whatever your grand strategy was right you lost votes on jeremy corbyn it's not that people were

00:06:21.660 so taken in by the grand political strategy of paul ovenden right two things two things tanked uh two

00:06:30.940 things caused labor to win last year one reform splitting uh right wing vote two the tories having

00:06:38.600 been useless and terrible and ruining the country for the prior 14 years yes and if i could just finish

00:06:44.900 your point harry the tories yes it wasn't a pro labor mandate it was an anti-tory mandate yes it was

00:06:52.760 a victory by default and but then so let's start talking about because beyond uh the paul ovenden

00:06:59.380 stuff which is of course a tragic loss uh it's really the the mandelson stuff that is really putting

00:07:06.420 the screws on uh starmer's government here so let's just um grit ourselves and listen to him speak for a

00:07:13.460 minute let me talk this through with you because um it's important to appreciate what happened when

00:07:19.540 and i understand that obviously the post the diplomatic post of american ambassador really

00:07:25.540 important post and peter mandelson before he was appointed went through a due diligence process

00:07:32.000 that's the propriety and ethics team went through a process and therefore i knew of his association with

00:07:39.740 epstein um but had i known then what i know now i'd have never appointed him because what i'm

00:07:49.160 is anyone buying this is anyone in britain or america buying this the thing is even according to

00:07:58.040 their own narrative from what i've seen they already knew that mandelson continued his association with

00:08:03.320 epstein after the initial 2008 charges yes and the conviction which he pled guilty on the conviction

00:08:10.200 came as a result of a guilty plea and that was including improper sexual behavior towards minors

00:08:16.920 right girls as young as 14 so they knew all of that and then what it was just just the release of

00:08:25.200 a load of emails confirming what they already knew oh no we'd have been fine if he stayed friends with

00:08:31.140 epstein after the conviction as long as in private he was very upset about it no it's the fact that

00:08:37.980 apparently he stood by him and was saying that these are trumped up charges and you shouldn't have been

00:08:42.440 convicted with anything was that what pushed you over the edge or is this all a load of bollocks

00:08:47.040 he assured him he felt bad about it there you go but probably but it was well i mean let's not forget

00:08:56.520 as well that just a week ago starmer was saying that he stood by mandelson's appointment before those

00:09:02.640 other emails came out as well so he has been pushed to this decision and what's more we can see now

00:09:10.520 as guido report here mcsweeney in the firing line as starmer enters survival mode downing street is in

00:09:16.160 survival mode this morning as labor mps at all levels sound the alarm over starmer's shambolic

00:09:22.040 handling of the mandelson debacle uh the times the mail and the telegraph all splash with fiery

00:09:27.560 warnings of an impeding leadership challenge unless number 10 produces better answers over what starmer knew

00:09:34.300 and when now i don't can't speak to the veracity of a leadership challenge i think that there would be

00:09:42.620 i think that the strategy would simply be to continue pushing with this story until starmer resigns as

00:09:49.140 opposed to actually having an open show of um uh well lack of confidence in in starmer it's just not the

00:09:58.000 labor way but the the really important point to all of this as well is that mandelson's report um

00:10:04.260 appointment as ambassador was pushed very heavily by morgan mcsweeney who is who was his friend yes

00:10:13.760 yes and um is someone so mandelson was quite instrumental it seems in uh giving mcsweeney his

00:10:22.260 initial uh power in the labor party and you know influence over the apparatus of the party and what's

00:10:30.260 more as well of course morgan mcsweeney has been instrumental in terms of uh guidance with starmer's

00:10:39.420 policy uh on many many occasions right he's been there since before starmer's election he was always

00:10:46.840 in favor of starmer being the leader of the labor party and the problem is as well that you have is the

00:10:53.500 fact that as uh dissent grows in dissatisfaction in the labor party and as reform are rising in the

00:11:01.420 polls you are seeing more and let's not forget as well from the left you've got corbyn and the

00:11:07.900 greens out flanking so the the left of the labor party have a more authentic option to vote for you can

00:11:16.160 see that labor are starting their support is starting to wither and the problem is that you

00:11:23.420 have here starmer could theoretically try and pin this on morgan mcsweeney and say just put on the 0.99

00:11:32.220 blame onto him and say well there we are i'll just jettison that and i'll try and carry on but the problem

00:11:39.040 is that mcsweeney has been in there for a long time now and what's more conversely mcsweeney can't

00:11:44.800 push starmer because if mcsweeney pushes starmer his own power will disappear as well because a lot

00:11:52.580 of the people uh from the left of the labor party really really dislike mcsweeney and don't trust him

00:11:59.360 because they basically see him as the dominic cummings equivalent but for the labor party which is

00:12:08.200 obviously not a true comparison because the uh turns out that the power behind johnson's government 0.97

00:12:13.820 wasn't cummings it was the fact that he was being whipped by his wife but um that's obviously a

00:12:19.880 different matter so you have here that it goes on to say the drowning uh sorry drowning on the

00:12:28.820 drowning street in the titanic uh downing street sources also firmly denied reports that mr mcsweeney

00:12:36.500 tried to prevent lord mandelson's sacking this week uh which took place after sakia came out and

00:12:45.460 defended the ambassador in the commons so again this is something that's in the ether this is something

00:12:50.760 that they have that they can like nail on mcsweeney and really mcsweeney is the foundation of

00:13:00.180 starmer's power base if he goes i don't know how much support he actually has within the party to

00:13:07.340 back him up should things start to crumble quickly and you have many headlines like this from the

00:13:14.760 independents saying why kiev starmer cannot survive as prime minister without this man and so it seems

00:13:21.320 like really if mcsweeney falls you're basically losing losing the queen from the chess set right you're

00:13:28.000 losing your most valuable piece in the labor government can i ask you something about this

00:13:33.520 so he's supposed to be the main strategist right so what is the strategy well don't forget as well

00:13:41.280 that it was uh morgan mcsweeney who had influence over um starmer's moment where he talked about the

00:13:47.680 island of strangers speech right so sweeney more than the far left of the party who were still going

00:13:54.800 around there saying oh we need to make the positive case for immigration right okay mcsweeney is at

00:14:00.780 least politically sensible okay the fact that there is massive satisfaction with many of the uh uh

00:14:08.480 the problems that mar our society right and at least once is um politically savvy enough to give

00:14:14.660 lip service to them although of course doesn't need to be said won't do a damn thing to actually address

00:14:19.820 some um so then you also have this article from the financial times basically saying that kiev starmer

00:14:27.600 has until may to turn things around and this is from the mps and unions now obviously angela rayner 0.95

00:14:35.700 was the choice of the unions and whether or not she was removed by her own stupidity or whether it 0.97

00:14:43.000 was orchestrated right that's not the point right she was a union it's very easy to orchestrate against 1.00

00:14:47.680 someone that stupid quite right quite right but um obviously so that's certainly not endeared um 0.96

00:14:57.320 starmer to the unions who obviously labor heavily depend on for their support and what's more as well 0.99

00:15:04.820 there are going to be many many more hurdles besides let's not forget of course that you also have the um

00:15:11.520 autumn budget on the horizon in november uh which uh rachel reeves will no doubt come to us again with

00:15:18.740 many more sensible i can't wait to see how many more pennies rachel from accounts decides to pinch 1.00

00:15:24.040 exactly which and you can just i think you know i'm not really in the art of political prophecy

00:15:29.680 but i'm willing to bet here and now that whatever's coming in that november budget

00:15:34.160 is not going to be popular no it's not going to be and also the economic policy of this government is

00:15:42.000 is going to make things much worse because i mean we've talked about it before and they show that

00:15:51.960 they are unable to course correct they will fund the nhs no matter what however many people enter the

00:15:59.460 country they will just keep keep calling for more benefits irrespective of whether some of them work

00:16:05.740 or not and they are because they are turning the country into being way more hostile than it should

00:16:13.200 be to entrepreneurship the public debt is exploding it doesn't look good and they have four years now

00:16:21.800 there's nothing that suggests that in this four years right they are gonna do something that makes the

00:16:28.440 situation better there's no sign of pivoting whatsoever and what were the most recent

00:16:33.480 um uh uh results that we saw about the economy what was it a zero percent growth in the past 12

00:16:40.920 12 months wow good job all those immigrants really helped yeah well part of me worries that if they

00:16:49.260 have been if figures come out next year or at the end of this year that show that labor really did let in

00:16:57.260 less immigrants than the tories did at their height let's face it isn't hard yes which is not a

00:17:04.180 difficult thing to consider i'm worried that people will then turn it around and go well see we started

00:17:09.980 letting less in and the economy immediately flatlined and ignore all of the other disastrous economic

00:17:15.300 policies that have caused that yeah no it's a legitimate concern but you have here as well that it says

00:17:22.740 with labor polling at a little above 20 percent and i believe it's 19 in some polls as well

00:17:29.700 some 10 percent uh points behind nigel farage's reform party and with tax rises looming in the

00:17:36.540 november budget the discontent has spread to the wider labor movement one trade union leader told the

00:17:42.400 financial times obviously no one will get rid of him one year into a labor government but my worry is

00:17:48.780 that we're going to be a one-term labor government can we turn it around i don't know i wouldn't even

00:17:55.400 be worrying at this point about being a one-term labor government i'd be worried about the extinction

00:18:00.980 of your party frankly right because what reasonable if um you know it it can only remind me really of back

00:18:11.240 when liz truss was you know trying to become prime minister as well you know and it's like who would 0.94

00:18:16.860 really want to inherit that mess right and again it comes down to the same thing with this starmer

00:18:23.160 were you did you genuinely believe yourself so talented did you genuinely believe you believe

00:18:29.160 your advisors to be so wise yeah you could begin to well and that's that's exactly how how leftists

00:18:36.340 think they don't understand the notion of unintended consequences well one thing that i'm considering

00:18:44.280 might be a possibility in the future is if this government manages to string itself along for the

00:18:50.660 next four years whether with starmer in charge or not there is a possibility that we could see some

00:18:56.120 political switcheroo everybody has been pointing out that reform by the looks of it are going to be

00:19:02.680 just a replacement tory party all right not only are mps defecting i would imagine many of the same

00:19:09.360 donors that have been helping to fund the tory party for a long time are also starting to switch

00:19:15.660 around to them because they appear to be a more uh a more attractive prospect politically and they

00:19:21.700 don't have the same baggage the tories do so they've got the next four years to really get themselves

00:19:26.960 into gear push for a um a farage prime minister position at the next election the labor does not yet

00:19:36.280 have a replacement in line that all of the donors could switch to certainly not one that represents

00:19:44.200 the same kind of policies that they go for which is under somebody like starmer and the blairite

00:19:49.520 paradigm kind of a middling soft left economic policy comparatively uh with obviously still the same

00:19:59.740 kind of far left social policies whether or not starmer wants to go out and give a speech

00:20:05.000 with loads of rhetoric or not the policies tend to remain the same there's not really an air in

00:20:11.040 line for labor yet so i'll be interested to see in the next four years if something that could be

00:20:17.540 pops up so that by the next election if labor are really going to tank it perhaps we will be looking

00:20:24.560 at a re-skinned tories versus labor except it's reform versus i doubt it will be corbyn's party

00:20:31.540 but maybe something similar there is that there is that worry we are in politics it's a team game

00:20:37.700 and the teams can switch faces they can switch colors but ultimately if it's still the same people

00:20:44.200 running the teams it's still the same team and as we know uh reform seemed to be consistent in only

00:20:49.840 really vetting uh candidates to the right and not so much to the left um and so nigel fragil seemed to

00:20:57.340 take on many many people who frankly don't deserve a second chance and uh i don't know why they would

00:21:03.600 keep accepting these people was it nadine doris last person it was switched over why yeah why why

00:21:10.060 take those hoary failures into your into your party that's a bad sign for everybody and not only that

00:21:16.340 you're trying to distance yourself and talk about the disaster that was boris johnson whilst

00:21:21.300 simultaneously taking on one of his closest most loyal i was gonna say she wrote a book defending 1.00

00:21:27.600 him and his prime ministership which let in more people than ever that this country has ever

00:21:34.280 experienced in a single year why right why i thought that's the exact opposite of what you want

00:21:40.840 yeah it really is but also another point to consider with all of this as well is that even though we've

00:21:47.580 been speaking about well there are many dissatisfied uh trade union leaders and obviously there are

00:21:54.320 those mps in the left of the party as well who are looking at the shaky ground that starmer is now on

00:22:01.440 and want him gone but we should also consider the fact as well that lord mandelson himself might well

00:22:09.820 try and drag starmer down with him and there was talk from people powerful man there's a quote from uh

00:22:15.800 someone close to mandelson where he says that uh vengeance will be unleashed like a deposed mafia don

00:22:22.360 that's pretty strong words right and um let's face it however much dirt people obviously have on

00:22:31.240 mandelson uh let's not pretend that mandelson won't have a great deal of dirt on other people

00:22:36.880 as well so these are all things to consider but as well as obviously everything to do with mandelson

00:22:43.980 you also have just the fact that so just to mention as well so there was supposed to be an emergency

00:22:50.640 debate yesterday in the house of commons regarding the recalling of uh mandelson as ambassador and his

00:22:59.200 firing of course but whilst this was going on starmer decided that he wasn't going to attend this

00:23:05.580 to be held accountable because he was busy that day simply busy there were simply more important

00:23:12.120 things to be done uh he did have time to tweet out though about congratulations to the cast and crew of

00:23:17.860 adolescents congratulations to our government endorsed propaganda in receiving awards from

00:23:23.680 other propaganda award ceremonies right so he had time to talk about a netflix show that

00:23:29.880 was never really much credible in the first place uh but he didn't have time to attend to answer questions

00:23:36.200 about what might be something linked to the very downfall of his government and so i guess he was

00:23:42.720 just weeping in the bunker in downing street as it were and let's not forget as well that whilst all

00:23:49.380 of this is going on and he is speaking of um trying to hide from the mandelson scandal 0.99

00:23:56.040 patriotic renewal national renewal over decline and toxic division every time is bitch you arrested 1.00

00:24:03.260 people for being angry that children got murdered last year you keep arresting people for stupid stuff 0.99

00:24:11.900 and there was no growth in the economy at all the whole time that you have been prime minister like 0.98

00:24:19.600 what would you call that other than decline and toxic division you told people their concerns

00:24:25.220 did not matter you said that there's a speech it was recorded you can play it back yourself

00:24:30.520 if you want if your memory hasn't been wiped then of you saying that what that he he is basically

00:24:37.960 schrodinger's enoch powell we're he'll use the language then he'll take it back he'll use it again

00:24:45.520 when it's difficult then he'll take it back now he's talking about patriotic national and we're in the 0.99

00:24:50.940 fight of our times yeah against you yeah moron well that's exactly the point isn't it but that 0.99

00:24:58.060 rupert's there saying nobody cares people just want the illegals deported not just the illegals 0.99

00:25:03.420 rupert but he says that elsewhere yeah we'll cross that bridge isn't it isn't just rupert

00:25:08.320 yeah it's uh it's uh this chap luka johnson no no no it's fine there's no i didn't give him a like

00:25:15.540 i didn't give him a like there we go i know also why thanks guys why haven't we uh there you go yeah

00:25:23.620 right no shall i shall i we'll do it we'll do a scathing quote tweet on him no no right anyway

00:25:31.700 now that we're all behaving uh oh behave behave the the point is as well that whilst all of this 0.88

00:25:40.400 is going on with mandelson and people on the inside and don't get me wrong it is ridiculous

00:25:45.980 that mandelson's appointment was ever allowed to go and speaks to a sickening nature of part you know

00:25:52.180 of the labor party that they would sign off on such an appointment anyway obviously just judging that the

00:25:58.700 uh the risks were worth it right that's really what it comes down to they knew his character

00:26:04.280 and they wanted him in there anyway and they just thought it was worth the risk they then judge him

00:26:09.500 by the content of his character well yes so but obviously the fact is as well that no one in the

00:26:17.840 general public as well is actually satisfied with what labor are doing and so we are just looking at

00:26:23.660 total extinction right we might just get zero seats for the labor party and so kia whatever

00:26:30.840 aspirations you may have had about being prime minister i promise you you will live to regret them

00:26:38.720 anyway we'll leave that there because time's ticking on all right i'll just read the uh rumble

00:26:45.600 rants got that's a random name says you know it's not terrible news when harry isn't hitting you with the

00:26:50.460 the face that face also you used brown eyes for that i have uh gray green blue eyes thank you very much

00:27:00.260 there you go i'm not some street sweeper like you brown eyes and uh carlen rumble says no offense

00:27:05.640 luca grow back your tash you look naked without it no uh moving on to uh pretty definitive

00:27:13.240 moving on to the uh youtube comments you've got um uh why why did it it's just loads of uh criticism

00:27:21.480 why did you pay bars barbecue seven likes there as well but three comments what do the comments say

00:27:27.040 what do they say rip mustache man no not the austrian painter hey you've got a woman saying looks much 0.57

00:27:35.500 more handsome now this is this thank you am this is where intrasexual dynamics come into play here luca

00:27:42.220 right and i have mentioned this in the office but i'll mention it on air because i see what you're

00:27:46.680 doing and it's the same thing that people are trying to do to you luca is since i've grown my hair out

00:27:52.600 and started tying it back as such right i have had a lot of men telling me harry what you're doing

00:28:00.080 you look like a pofter shave it short what you're doing you don't look right with that hair that's a lot 1.00

00:28:04.980 of men saying that that i have a lot of not men saying hair looks great harry really like you with

00:28:13.420 that hair really fantastic and it seems to be the same thing with you and your mustache it's for the 0.93

00:28:18.280 case it is men sabotaging you other men you know the way that girls will bitch about each other behind 1.00

00:28:23.860 their back and tell them oh you look great with a few extra pounds on you don't worry about it don't

00:28:28.920 anybody no it's sabotage my friend thank you now i appreciate the uh the advice but i just want to

00:28:34.500 reassure viewers i am still spiritually captain darling at heart so he will never truly leave you

00:28:41.260 uh you're going to tony collier says uh i suspect the lovely mrs abbott is stellius's type

00:28:47.240 trust me no he likes him a bit bigger than that luke stewart is talking about the third segment says

00:28:55.180 good day all the perfect verse for the last segment luke's uh 631 do to others as you would

00:29:02.200 have them do to you wise words to live by i think i'll i'll get back to it during the segment you

00:29:08.200 weren't very schwarzenegger with that luke you were very very luke and uh uh june wong uh good morning

00:29:16.760 from the land down under or soon to be known as india 2 yes uh do do keep fighting that i saw

00:29:23.160 somewhere they're celebrating uh modi's birthday in australia oh really yeah in the subway does not

00:29:29.600 surprise me anyway harry needs them you know take us away all right so plenty has already been said

00:29:36.620 on the assassination of charlie kirk that happened last week last wednesday we're almost coming up to

00:29:41.640 a full week since it happened and there are various conspiracies and theories about why he was killed

00:29:49.040 who really killed him etc etc but one thing that we are certain of is that the alleged shooter is

00:29:55.480 currently in custody he is not cooperating with the federal agents at the moment since he supposedly

00:30:03.280 handed himself in after being convinced by his own father there are i will admit quite a few

00:30:10.460 discrepancies with some of the story that we have been heard that we'll go over in a moment i'm not

00:30:15.700 going to try to get too much into conspiracy thinking because i do think occam's razor suggests

00:30:21.140 the simplest solution is the most likely correct one which would be that some guy who was going out

00:30:28.920 with some trans person who was a leftist inculcated in trans ideology probably groomed into it through his

00:30:36.680 time on discord servers and in other online spaces decided that for the sake of trans rights that he was

00:30:43.380 going to take out one of the biggest and most vocal opponents of trans and lgbt issues in the u.s

00:30:51.060 but that's not to say that there aren't plenty of discrepancies with the stories and plenty of things

00:30:56.020 to be concerned about but one of the other things is i mentioned this on twitter the other day to a certain

00:31:02.660 extent the shooter and his ideology doesn't matter with regards to the left anymore because as soon as

00:31:14.580 it happened we saw that they claimed it they not only claimed it they celebrated it and they mocked

00:31:21.700 charlie kirk they mocked his family i saw threats against his wife saying that they needed to have the

00:31:28.900 she needed to have her children taken away presumably so that the children rather than being 1.00

00:31:34.020 than being raised in a household with you know biological parents who loved them could instead 0.81

00:31:39.460 be raised by radical ideologue lunatics into being trans themselves or something like that so no matter

00:31:49.620 the ideology the shooter had no matter the reasons he had for shooting no matter what conspiracy theories

00:31:56.500 may be abounding regarding the shooting and i'm not saying that none of them have merit either

00:32:02.260 the left claimed this this is theirs we have the footage people have already been tracked down people

00:32:08.180 have already been fired from their jobs over the disgusting vile sickening ways in which people

00:32:14.260 celebrated the death of an innocent father an innocent husband and father which is why it's very

00:32:21.220 frustrating when you see actual articles trying to claim that this was some kind of right-wing or nick

00:32:31.620 fuentes gruyper style incident like this one from the telegraph where they state here that he had apparent

00:32:40.180 links to the gruyper army and that he had a digital footprint that suggested that he understood and spoke the

00:32:46.580 language used by the alt-right at some stage whether he espoused the references intentionally

00:32:52.340 remains unclear they're obviously trying to insinuate they're trying to imply here and this is from the

00:32:57.380 telegraph as well that he had some kind of contact or sympathy to the right or the far right or the

00:33:06.260 gruypers in general this image being one of the ones that they're using to substantiate that claim

00:33:11.540 given that he is doing a squat in a tracksuit which they compare to a pepe meme and as much as pepe

00:33:20.900 is used by people on the right i think this writer fundamentally misunderstands in making this

00:33:28.340 comparison that pepe is just like a general internet thing right everybody of a certain age mostly zoomers 1.00

00:33:38.900 even some younger millennials uses pepe because pepe is funny and all of the other far right language

00:33:47.460 that this kid was using was really just internet talk for zoomers as far as i can tell that's not

00:33:55.860 really coded one way or the other so it's a very strange thing to try and imply and insinuate that this

00:34:03.540 kid whether you know whether there's more steps to it or not was not himself a radical leftist when

00:34:11.540 as explored a bit and we'll go over it a little bit more in this segment as it was explored on monday

00:34:16.820 i'll expand on it uh was not obviously a radical left-wing ideologue that much is obvious it is undeniable

00:34:25.860 and yet some still try this clip came out of jimmy kivel kimmel saying uh we hit some new lows over

00:34:33.220 the weekend with the maga gang desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered charlie kirk

00:34:37.860 as anything other than one of them and doing everything they can to score political points for

00:34:43.140 it i'm sorry he was not a right winger he may have come from a right-wing family but just assuming

00:34:49.940 that if you come from a right-wing family you must be right-wing have we not seen

00:34:55.860 countless examples over the past 10 20 years of people who came from conservative families

00:35:02.580 who hate them who despise their family's social views this is a desperate and flailing attempt

00:35:09.060 to try and distance themselves from something that they already claimed you can't walk it back 0.95

00:35:14.580 you can't walk back they just won't stop gaslighting exactly you can't but it's such a pathetic attempt

00:35:20.980 you can't walk back the second charlie kirk's death was announced before it was even announced

00:35:26.100 before when we all saw the footage of him dying before it was clear whether he had survived the

00:35:31.620 shot or not every single one of you were on tick tock were on instagram we're all over twitter

00:35:38.980 celebrating cheering saying who's next who's next so you don't get to walk that back you don't get to

00:35:46.260 take that back you will be held accountable those of you who have lost your jobs already i am glad

00:35:52.500 to see it it is people like you that make tragedies like this more and more likely things have been

00:36:01.300 escalating to this point political assassinations are not the sign of a healthy society they are the

00:36:07.460 exact opposite if political divisions in your country are so bad that the guy who goes to

00:36:15.220 who goes to universities and tries to have an open dialogue with people who disagree with him where

00:36:21.220 they can try and find some common ground is killed for that you do not have a society anymore you do not

00:36:29.220 have a culture that you can all agree upon you do not have a shared common ground that unites all of us

00:36:36.660 you people celebrating that need to be separated from society you need to be fired from your jobs

00:36:43.540 you need to realize there are repercussions there are consequences there are costs to your actions

00:36:50.660 which we will get into in stelios's segment uh but i tell you what doesn't cost too much and that is

00:36:57.220 islander i have been asked to throw this in i know it's a very serious subject but knowledge is serious

00:37:04.820 or some other like catchy piata just buy it just buy it if you've not already it's 14.99 the first issue was

00:37:13.700 14.99 this issue is still 14.99 so if anything given by how terrible inflation has been over the past year

00:37:21.060 or so we're ripping ourselves off by charging so little for it so get yourself a deal while you still can or you'll be

00:37:28.820 doom scrolling through ebay pages looking at this issue like the rest of them going for 300 dollars and kicking 0.75

00:37:35.700 yourself in the arse all right so buy it already anyway so countering the prevailing gaslighting narrative that

00:37:47.140 people like jimmy kimmel are so disgustingly trying to put forward we have well the actual facts a lot of which have 0.98

00:37:55.220 already been gone over but there is more stuff that has come out since then and more stuff that does

00:38:01.140 cast some questions on what is going on what was going on with this how he planned it what was being

00:38:10.180 planned there are text messages which i'll show in a few minutes when he says specifically that he'd been

00:38:18.980 planning this assassination for maybe a week and a half and yet at the same time we have evidence

00:38:25.860 that a number of people who were part of the online trans community were pointing to this specific date

00:38:33.380 of the 10th of september and saying that if charlie kirk goes to utah there will be consequences so that

00:38:41.060 casts some questions over the text messages either way we have some updates here so he has had his first

00:38:47.860 court appearance via zoom link yesterday that was tuesday the 16th of september 2025 he has been

00:38:56.260 charged with aggravated murder and prosecutors are saying that they will seek the death penalty he was

00:39:01.860 taken into custody in his native utah following the 33-hour manhunt involving local law enforcement

00:39:07.540 and the fbi and let's just stop for a moment and highlight here cash patel's fbi completely useless

00:39:14.020 completely useless in this whole manhunt it took them waiting for him to hand himself in but also

00:39:24.820 you'd expect them to take care of roofs well that was a private security problem with the event itself

00:39:35.380 and sadly sometimes clearly as we've seen in this case the security just isn't very good you can see

00:39:41.300 footage of and you can go across 3d images and images of the event and the layout of the campus

00:39:49.700 and it does seem like it was just an easy place to get up to that people weren't paying attention to 0.94

00:39:54.100 stupid shoddy work especially after trump's attempted assassination last year but i suppose they didn't 0.95

00:40:02.660 think that charlie kirk would be as high profile a target to go after as he clearly ended up being 0.99

00:40:08.340 but yeah the fbi in the manhunt especially given that they all knew charlie he was a friend of the

00:40:14.980 administration taking 33 hours to find nothing and then waiting for him to hand himself in after he was

00:40:23.700 convinced by his trans boyfriend girlfriend thing and his father to hand himself in not good not good

00:40:33.380 work at all dei fbi robinson's being held without bail in a special housing unit at the utah county

00:40:41.220 jail in addition to aggravated murder he's facing multiple other charges including felony discharge

00:40:45.700 of a firearm obstruction of justice two counts of witness tampering and committing violent crime

00:40:52.900 in the presence of children utah governor spencer cox said a family member told investigators that

00:40:58.980 robinson had become more political in recent years he said that during a dinner conversation before the

00:41:03.780 attack robinson had discussed kirk's upcoming utah event at the utah valley university also just for

00:41:10.980 full transparency no relation no relation different robinsons i hope either that or common ancestor

00:41:18.740 six seven hundred years ago different robinson no relation to me promise carrying on cox said they

00:41:26.100 talked about why they didn't like him and the viewpoints he had robinson's mother said her son

00:41:30.580 had started to lean more to the left utah county attorney jeff gray told a news conference on

00:41:34.420 tuesday becoming more pro-gay and trans rights orientated obviously because he had begun dating

00:41:41.460 his roommate who was transgender and transitioning from male to female according to authorities gray said

00:41:47.140 robinson left a note under his keyboard for his roommate which allegedly said i had the opportunity

00:41:52.340 to take out charlie kirk and i'm going to take it and this is all information that we've got from the

00:41:59.780 trans girlfriend boyfriend right where apparently he they it she have been very uh cooperative with

00:42:11.700 the police robinson himself has chosen to not cooperate with the police after already handing himself in

00:42:18.980 very strange perhaps it was that he wasn't really thinking the death penalty would be on the table

00:42:24.980 now it's been put on the table maybe he's changed his mind and he's thinking i'll hold out until i speak

00:42:29.940 to a public defender who has not been assigned to him yet so i can figure out a legal strategy where maybe

00:42:36.020 i can do a plea deal if if if the official narrative is true right with all of the other information that we

00:42:42.740 have he was not the only man in this he was not the only person as part of this plan there were co-conspirators

00:42:50.260 as far as i can tell from the information that has been given so the smart move if you wanted to avoid a death penalty

00:42:56.260 i am not a legal professional i do not know if this would work would be to potentially

00:43:01.060 wait until you can come up with a plea deal with your public defender where you

00:43:05.060 dob everybody else in that conspiracy in to maybe have your uh charge taken down from a uh a death

00:43:14.340 penalty to maybe life imprisonment instead maybe he's waiting for that maybe there's something more

00:43:19.460 suspicious going on but the family and the partner apparently very cooperative which is where we're

00:43:24.980 getting this information from in the hours before robinson handed himself in grace said robinson's

00:43:29.540 mother saw footage of the suspected killer on the news and thought it looked like her son

00:43:33.460 which led his father to confront him utah county attorney gray said police recovered a the suspected

00:43:40.260 weapon a rifle near the scene of the shooting and dna consistent with robinson's was found on the

00:43:45.220 rifle's trigger and adding that the firearm was unique and had once belonged to robinson's grandfather

00:43:51.460 earlier fbi director cash patel said dna discovered on a towel wrapped around the rifle

00:43:56.260 also matched the subject so we have multiple pieces of evidence material evidence taken from the scene

00:44:02.500 which have dna that points towards tyler robinson being the shooter

00:44:11.220 and yet despite all of this and all of the testimonies from his own family his own boyfriend

00:44:17.380 you still see this uh uh falsehood being trotted out that it was some you know far-right griper

00:44:25.620 and uh charlie's death was politically they do this because they do this because they are focusing

00:44:31.700 on narrative control and they have completely lost it people have understood what happened

00:44:39.300 but they want they're playing a numbers game so they want to give out quantity of message hoping that one

00:44:47.060 month from now the sheer quantity of messaging according to which the killer was right wing will stick to

00:44:56.260 some people's minds i i have already seen that some people have stuck with it because for many people

00:45:03.220 sadly this story like so many others with arena zarutska with even um austin metcalf and carmelo anthony

00:45:11.620 even something much more minor than this but still horrifying that being the brutal beating of the wrestler

00:45:19.300 psycho sid at the hands of raja jackson which was caught on camera live on kick light on a live stream

00:45:27.300 these things cycle in and out so they get bombarded with information to begin with a lot of it is very

00:45:34.580 overwhelming a lot of it is contradictory so they choose one narrative to stick with and for many people on

00:45:41.380 the left maybe even those who celebrated it who then see that there are consequences this time and want to

00:45:47.540 absolve themselves so they don't face those consequences they will have seen some suggestion

00:45:53.940 like the telegraph article maybe they only read the headline that says probable right winger comes from

00:45:59.620 conservative family mormon family registered unaffiliated to political parties and they'll say

00:46:07.700 groiper they'll say right winger and they will stick with that because they won't follow up on the information

00:46:13.860 because something it's a battle for the headline something new will have popped up in the news cycle

00:46:18.580 that they've instead had their attention grabbed by like a pigeon they want to both gloat and uh

00:46:24.180 gleefully cheer at the outcome without actually receiving any repercussions or you know accountability

00:46:31.060 for what they they advocate for they hate consequences there is more evidence pointing to him as well

00:46:37.540 which is that uh when they went to tyler robinson's home they found targets with bullet holes in it

00:46:42.660 police found several targets with bullet holes according to utah county uh attorneys

00:46:48.820 jeff gray and the charging documents obviously that is circumstantial that is circumstantial but as part of

00:46:54.740 the larger picture especially with the dna evidence that they have they have found as well it does begin to

00:47:00.420 paint a picture robinson allegedly told his roommate his boyfriend girlfriend thing that he had been

00:47:06.100 planning to kill kirk for about a week according to text messages included in the charging documents

00:47:10.820 investigators also say they found a shell with an engraved message on it at the same residence

00:47:15.780 because one of the interesting things about this is like the recent uh i think it was minneapolis

00:47:23.460 school shooting that freak robin westman who shot up the children at the catholic school there was

00:47:31.140 engravings on the bullet casings that were left at the scene of the crime at the utah valley university

00:47:37.780 here this is becoming a more common thing it seems that uh people who are committing these crimes are

00:47:43.380 leaving messages for the police when they when they uh find the also people who do this they want

00:47:49.620 a sort of symbolism for their action that's why they're leaving engravings they also think it's a

00:47:56.660 kind of a meme yeah like it's a joke like a lot of the messages that were engraved on this guy's bullets

00:48:03.300 supposedly were references to niche internet jokes i think one of them said something like if you read

00:48:10.180 this you're gay lol yeah you've just taken a man's life like maybe i'm not i'm not trying to ask for a 0.98

00:48:19.540 better quality of killer but maybe i am maybe i am if you're going to take somebody's life especially 0.99

00:48:25.300 a young father and husband perhaps have a little bit more i don't know solemnity about it is that the right word

00:48:32.580 but anyway there's there's there's more stuff which is according to discord who initially stated

00:48:40.420 that they did not have any evidence that the killing was planned on discord or promoted violence

00:48:48.340 on discord have since come out and provided evidence of messages that were sent through the platform

00:48:56.900 where he confessed to it on a discord server where he said it was me at uvu yesterday i'm sorry for all

00:49:06.500 of this this reads from an account that allegedly belongs to robinson according to the spokesperson

00:49:12.180 and law enforcement source and i believe discord have voluntarily come out with this law enforcement

00:49:18.740 sources have told cbs news that robinson and his friends bantered about the shooting

00:49:23.060 before his arrest in a group chat on discord involving more than 20 people the discord messages

00:49:29.460 which are said to be from robinson were first reported by the washington post and are thought

00:49:33.460 to have been written and posted towards the end of a manhunt for the killer the spokesperson said about

00:49:38.980 there was no evidence that it was planned or promoted on discord from what i know we only have

00:49:44.100 access to the discord messages which were sent to this server though so we don't know if then anything

00:49:50.820 was said in dms certainly nothing has been brought up in the re in the uh reporting that i have seen

00:49:56.260 on it uh the attorney uh jay cox has said uh previously that uh he was deeply indoctrinated with

00:50:05.620 leftist ideology all record all evidence seems to point in that direction public records reviewed by

00:50:10.580 the bbc suggest that he had in the past registered as an unaffiliated or non-parson so this is where the

00:50:14.980 bbc try and run a little bit of cover and say like oh but he wasn't affiliated with any particular

00:50:20.340 party all radical leftists don't associate themselves with the democrat party anyway

00:50:24.740 they think the democrats are some kind of radical right-wing party however according to cox the

00:50:30.100 family member told the investigators that he had become more political same sort of news that we

00:50:35.300 saw from that let's look at the text messages then so this is one of the most controversial pieces that

00:50:40.260 have come out thus far regarding all of this because people are questioning how likely it is that

00:50:48.580 somebody would message like this they're looking at the way that it's written and saying this doesn't

00:50:53.140 come across like how a young person would message to me because not only does it come across stilted

00:50:59.300 and awkward it also is just really condemning in the kind of evidence that he's putting against himself

00:51:07.780 in these text messages himself now there are a number of reasons for this which people are floating

00:51:13.780 let me let me let me read it through it first so so after finding the note supposedly uh i think the

00:51:21.140 name is lance twiggs is the name of the boyfriend girlfriend transitioning person thing uh he got a text

00:51:31.940 message from them saying what you're joking right to which robinson replied i am still okay my love but

00:51:38.820 i'm stuck in aurum for a little while longer yet shouldn't be long until i can come home but i gotta

00:51:44.260 grab my rifle still to be honest i had hoped to keep this secret till i died of old age i am sorry to

00:51:49.380 involve you response you weren't the one who did it right robinson i am i'm sorry response i thought they

00:51:58.100 caught the person robinson no they grabbed some crazy old dude then interrogated someone in similar

00:52:04.260 clothing i had planned to grab my rifle from my drop point shortly after but most of that side of

00:52:09.540 town got locked down it's quiet almost enough to get out but there's one vehicle lingering

00:52:15.540 and it and it goes on like that he he really he really dobs himself in with all of this

00:52:23.060 essentially now there are three explanations people have floated for why this is so stilted

00:52:28.740 and awkward and almost scripted in the way that some say uh which is one he is just an autistic young 0.69

00:52:38.020 kid who doesn't have much social interaction with people outside of discord servers he doesn't seem

00:52:43.860 to have much of a social media footprint at all outside of discord uh as far as i can tell we've not

00:52:50.660 found a twitter account instagram tick tock anything like that it's mainly his steam account and discord

00:52:56.340 um so perhaps it is just that he talks like a larper when he's on there he thinks he's part of some

00:53:03.940 big romantic plot where he's gone out and he's done this for his main character syndrome yep and he

00:53:10.340 feels like talking in grandiose statements like i'm still okay my love but i am stuck for a little while

00:53:16.260 longer yet the other the other two are one that perhaps the roommate was involved and all of this is

00:53:24.740 written in such a way so that he only incriminates himself so that the feds will have evidence that

00:53:31.700 looks like the roommate knew nothing about it sure and the third one is that this whole thing has been

00:53:37.540 fabricated and has been written by somebody who does not know how young people speak over message so

00:53:44.980 i'm not going to put my own opinion forward there and all three of them are plausible right all three of

00:53:51.540 those if this is part of some larger conspiracy that would explain why it would be why people have

00:53:57.380 put forward option three what what is weird is in the very beginning where he says to be honest

00:54:02.660 to be honest i had hoped to keep this secret till i died of old age just why are you just

00:54:08.260 straightforwardly but why did you leave the note yeah why that that's another contradiction here

00:54:14.180 which is if you wanted to keep it a secret why did you leave a note which causes your roommate boyfriend

00:54:24.900 to immediately message you saying what have you done and then you immediately confess to it before

00:54:30.340 you've even been caught maybe it was after he was presumably found there are no no no no this is on

00:54:38.500 the day the of the shooting before before the shoe before he was found and you can see here he's

00:54:43.940 basically saying here that he's been hanging around the area for ages waiting while the police are sweeping

00:54:50.340 the area where he dropped his gun so also we have this where he's saying that a guy who looks like the

00:54:56.260 security footage that they'd already have access to i would assume that they would look at that almost

00:55:00.820 immediately to see what they can find yeah excuse me he's just hanging around where you find this gun

00:55:08.100 and what he's so discreet that you don't pick him up very strange very very strange either

00:55:13.780 incompetence or there's something else going on here um again despite this he also said in it

00:55:22.500 he asked uh he's asked why did you do it presumably though

00:55:26.420 like surely you would have known right you'd have known your boyfriend's politics he said

00:55:34.100 i had enough of his hatred so there's the motivation right there some hate can't be negotiated out and

00:55:41.540 then he says that how long have you been planning this a bit over a week i believe but there is some

00:55:46.420 strange occurrences which seem to suggest that it might have been a little bit longer than that so

00:55:52.980 again we have all of this stuff to respond to people who as of yesterday are still saying that

00:56:00.020 this guy was maga even though according to the official narrative everything that we have suggests

00:56:05.940 that he was the exact opposite but this is where we get to some of the more other weird stuff which

00:56:12.100 is one if he was planning it for over just over a week why is it that even on the 6th of august for

00:56:19.780 instance we have tweets from people seemingly suggesting that something strange was going to

00:56:30.100 go down on the 10th of september when charlie kirk was assassinated and the same person saying i plead the

00:56:38.260 fifth and then you have other people with accounts where their name says saw tyler june 30th and there's

00:56:46.980 a number of these like people saying we effing did it there's there's a number of these from people

00:56:56.660 saying charlie kirk is coming to my college tomorrow i really hope someone evaporates him literally let's

00:57:03.220 just say something big will happen tomorrow and these all seem to be very young people they thems

00:57:10.100 people who would potentially be in the same kind of discord servers that charlie that um that tyler

00:57:16.260 robinson was interacting with so there needs to be questions asked of these people track down their

00:57:22.340 accounts figure out what they meant if they were just memeing or as it seems more likely they already

00:57:30.180 knew something was going to happen and that's where we come to this as well which was a report from the

00:57:36.260 new york post that according to a neighbor two weeks prior to the assassination several people

00:57:44.180 driving cars with out-of-state license plates were seen going in and out of tyler's apartment and the

00:57:51.940 neighbor said they did not give off a good vibe so was this just some kind of strange internet meetup

00:57:59.940 with a bunch of transgender furries which are communities which it seems that tyler and his

00:58:05.620 boyfriend girlfriend were associated with or was there something else going on was this coordination

00:58:12.500 with outside actors with bad intentions as some have suggested was this coordination with other people

00:58:19.460 who are part of these communities who were in on the plan and that tyler is going out of his way to

00:58:24.900 protect through no non-cooperation and through his roommate releasing text messages which seem to

00:58:32.180 incriminate only tyler as the sole person behind this there are a lot of questions one thing is to

00:58:39.540 be sure though we can't say that this guy was anything like maga we can't say that this guy was not

00:58:47.860 radically left-wing even if he was being manipulated by outside sources i think it seems clear that this guy is

00:58:53.460 the killer it's just a question of how far this goes and when it comes to some of the larger

00:58:59.300 conspiracies i don't put too much stock in them but i will say there has been something

00:59:05.220 weird and it's something that i saw only just before this came uh before we came on so i didn't have

00:59:10.420 time to put it in the segment which is part of the administration's reaction to the whole event right

00:59:16.900 which is you know it's it's completely normal and understandable and respectful for his friends to

00:59:25.220 like like jd vents for matt walsh and the others to go on the charlie kirk show and give speeches in

00:59:33.060 in memoriam to him to his audience as a kind of way of respectfully closing out the show

00:59:37.540 perhaps this is just a difference in sentiment and sensibility between americans and the english

00:59:45.300 but i saw on the 21st so that would be what sunday that there's going to be a big memorial

00:59:50.820 for charlie kirk where they all go around giving speeches and loads of people who knew him donald trump's

00:59:56.580 going to be there jd vance is going to be there and i saw it going around on social media like it was

01:00:01.060 some kind of big pr wrestlemania style event to me that's a very very strange way to mourn a fallen

01:00:10.100 comrade maybe it's just a different approach that americans have versus the english those are the

01:00:16.340 wishes of his wife i mean his wife is making an appearance there but i don't know for me it just

01:00:22.900 feels it feels it feels wrong to treat it like i think that's quite tasteless but americans in the

01:00:29.380 audience feel free to disagree with me there that might just be my sentiment and sensibilities versus

01:00:36.500 that of america because i know americans like to go go big and go loud with everything but uh but

01:00:42.820 but that's just me so you know leave your theories leave your ideas down below and don't let the left

01:00:48.980 take um don't let the left shy away from this this is something they claimed not only have they claimed

01:00:55.140 that this is something else i only saw before that i couldn't add in this there were memorials

01:00:59.140 put up not only to charlie kirk but to arena zarutska the ukrainian girl who was stabbed to death

01:01:05.700 by a a a feral con on uh on the subway there were memorials painted around america about her i've

01:01:14.260 already seen those being vandalized i've seen the same ones for charlie kirk being vandalized the one

01:01:20.260 for arena was painted over and somebody put up a mural of her killer instead don't let people shy away

01:01:27.300 from this they took this they claimed it they need to live with the consequences which is complete

01:01:33.860 complete ostracization from society they must be outcast there you go all right well said 1.00

01:01:44.260 i'll read through some of these uh right so scott's eye guy on rumble strangest part in the messages is

01:01:50.420 him randomly mentioning his dad went maga like they would never have talked about that before

01:01:55.220 uh sarayan 555 fbi did absolutely f all if he hadn't been made to turn himself in this little

01:02:00.100 freak would have gotten away also this field office is the same one that gunned down craig robertson

01:02:04.180 two years ago bobo bad if the fbi was as focused on getting criminals and assassins as they were on

01:02:09.220 glorifying valhalla this slime ball would have been caught immediately and emir as davenport says got a

01:02:14.340 disagree a bit here cash broke with previous fbi protocol and released the suspect photos which led to the

01:02:18.820 family recognizing robinson and confronting him potentially habsification the left will never

01:02:25.060 admit their own violent murder because they don't view it as such yeah they think any kind of agreement

01:02:29.460 is a disagreement is a death threat so they think that if they kill you then that's just fair uh on

01:02:36.180 youtube mormons historically are more conservative but in the last 20 years there are more varied

01:02:40.580 political opinions and of course rebellious young adults apparently cash had to overrule the rest of

01:02:45.700 the law enforcement to release the killer's photos to the public if that did help to uh to track him

01:02:51.220 down then great as someone which bought two of the island number four for one my uh one for my old

01:02:56.740 man and one for the men's shed he is with i think you can expect a large order for down under for future

01:03:01.540 issues cheers to the team thank you very much thank you as much as i agree impotent fbi to be fair there

01:03:06.660 is only so much that can be done in nine months true but again the handling of this case in particular

01:03:13.300 seemed to strike me as uh not as swift or as competent as it could have been stellius and harry

01:03:19.300 were my favorite yow series couple but i see there's a new handsome man in the mix now seriously

01:03:26.340 glad things are shaping up over there towards sanity i think i've just lost whatever sanity i had reading

01:03:30.580 that one out and the abc australia's new broadcaster just interviewed hassan piker about charlie and

01:03:38.100 whitewashed him for the mainstream harry i have just etched you i assume you mean tagged me on x brilliant

01:03:47.380 brilliant hassan piker he's someone we'll be talking about yes right so

01:03:53.940 samson do you want to get stellios is up there we go yeah thanks

01:03:57.380 thanks right so one of the main vehicles of radicalization of people by the radical left is

01:04:08.740 the progressivist narrative and the progressivist narrative is spreading victimhood

01:04:14.820 it's trying to create the false idea that its recipients are under imminent threat of death and

01:04:23.940 they have to defend themselves and therefore they're justified in using violence they're doing this

01:04:29.700 all the time by mainstream media in academia for decades it is basically stochastic terrorism when

01:04:37.780 you're convincing millions of people that they are faced with such imminent threat some of them regrettably

01:04:46.500 are going to take action and violent one and the effect the effects of it are can't be denied anymore

01:04:55.860 for a long time we were talking about this many people were talking about this and it was treated by

01:05:02.900 you know those we want to convince not those we can't convince and we do not address but those we

01:05:08.900 want to convince as somehow very theoretical very abstract as pointing something that is

01:05:17.300 problematic within a world view but no world view is fail safe therefore it's an issue of just you know

01:05:26.020 you're making making things up because you're too much online but that's that can't be denied anymore

01:05:31.540 um there is an issue with radical left extremism in what is called the within quotation marks progressivist

01:05:40.180 um space right so we see them constantly do this weaponizing this narrative to radicalize people

01:05:50.980 but also to completely change your perception of reality and when they can't win the argument and when

01:05:57.780 more and more people wake up they're just following the gebelian tactic of throwing as much mud as 0.99

01:06:04.900 possible hoping some of it will stick because they want to create a completely false idea of reality

01:06:11.460 in the minds of the general public right so they try to claim that charlie kirk was an extremist they

01:06:18.100 still do they try to to claim that the assassin was a right-wing conservative some of them still do now

01:06:25.700 they're trying to make it about council council culture and are putting the onus of proof and

01:06:33.540 responsibility on the right yet again no matter what happens they're constantly deflecting they're

01:06:40.420 constantly claiming that it's not the left that has to assume responsibility for anything all the times

01:06:46.820 at all times blame the right and there's a habit in the minds of the general public after a while of

01:06:53.540 expecting the right to apologize and not expecting the left to do so and actually becoming habituated

01:07:02.660 into a left-wing space of the political area of the political spectrum which only asks questions

01:07:10.740 and never answers and is never held accountable well i mean it goes to show why so many were comfortable

01:07:17.620 with celebrating in the first place is because they have become uh just so so protected from

01:07:24.740 consequences we have maddie hassan here saying i remember how much muslims were lectured about the

01:07:30.420 importance of a right to offend being part of a right to free speech we were told that we must accept

01:07:36.980 offensive and racist remarks about our faith our prophet etc in the name of free speech and integrating

01:07:42.260 into western civilization voltaire and the rest those same folks who lectured muslims are now saying to 0.93

01:07:48.900 people that they cannot be offensive about a dead conservative influencer and they will be punished if

01:07:54.580 they do so even if being offensive in one speech is literally what the first amendment guarantees oh the

01:08:01.700 hypocrisy oh the gaslighting that's amazing that last line actually describes what he is doing right there

01:08:08.260 projection indeed so i want to say that what is happening right now from the right wing is not cancel

01:08:19.780 culture i know some uh some friends asked me yesterday about this they thought that i'm uh taking a very

01:08:26.580 hard line on this and they think that some somehow this is council culture i want to say why this isn't

01:08:33.220 important right if i know you are associating with someone who is very malevolent and you may not know of their

01:08:43.940 malevolence and i happen to find out about it i have to warn you about it unless i do i'm not your friend i

01:08:53.860 have to warn you about it and then i have to appeal to all your considerations not about freedom of speech but our freedom of

01:09:02.580 association there has to be a point where people draw a red line between what is acceptable and what

01:09:09.460 not there has to be a point where civil society claims imposes some standards of behavior and

01:09:17.860 marginalizes those who fail to meet them and i want to say that what medi hassan and many leftists who are

01:09:25.540 playing this card are doing right now is they're trying to blur the lines between a huge difference

01:09:32.260 it's one thing to say that it's evil to disagree with any every point or with any point of the

01:09:41.860 progressivist agenda and on the other hand saying that if you're celebrating the murder of an innocent

01:09:50.020 man in front of his family is evil you have to be you have to be ostracized in the other hand no amount

01:09:57.460 of gaslighting will make these things the same no amount of gaslighting will make these things the

01:10:02.820 same and if we focus on just on relation personal relationships i'll just give you an example from a

01:10:09.220 movie that i think by now most people are have watched it's american psychopath you remember the

01:10:15.860 main character is talking to some of his um co-workers at some point he makes a very he he makes

01:10:24.260 something like a joke and are you hearing is it the uh hey quit it with the anti-semitic remarks that

01:10:30.660 bit and then he goes i think he means the end game no no at some point he talks about about heads

01:10:38.020 and the and the other people say wait that's no funny they're not laughing

01:10:42.660 so it's the same thing at some point people have to we know we're we are mature we shouldn't speak to

01:10:49.860 each other like we're children some people lie and when we're mature people we need to

01:10:55.380 grow up to to develop a radar of understanding when people are lying and understanding when people

01:11:03.060 are behaving in ways that are absolutely unacceptable and perhaps this means that they should be

01:11:12.020 marginalized and ostracized because it's and again this is not an issue of freedom of speech

01:11:18.260 this is an issue of freedom of association well if i may just say as well as regards to like uh the

01:11:24.820 things that meddy's alluding to with uh left-wing cancel culture back when it was just at its

01:11:29.860 absolute height in 2020 those were on issues such as like oh are trans women women right and is the 0.80

01:11:36.260 west systemically racist and not only were we on the right side of those issues right but also as you

01:11:42.660 say those are matters of opinion what is not a matter of opinion is cheering for the political

01:11:50.820 assassination of a political opponents because implicit within you cheering for it is also your

01:11:57.140 endorsement of the action itself you're saying i agree in principle yeah with murdering my political

01:12:05.460 and you're you're encouraging more of it uh yes some more practical examples so for one back in 2017

01:12:12.020 so here's an example of cancel culture as we understand it right james damore google engineer writes

01:12:18.820 a document for google explaining the gender pay gap and achievement gap as a result of biology makes

01:12:25.700 perfect sense well reasoned fired cancelled for it cancelled for trying to help his company to

01:12:33.700 understand why there were these supposedly intractable problems within the company uh fired that was a

01:12:41.460 freedom of speech issue people in england to bring it back to medi hussein's example or medi hassan his

01:12:50.820 example here people in england were cancelled and they were ostracized and they were humiliated and

01:12:58.420 mocked in the mid-2000s for highlighting the problem of pakistani grooming gangs in england that was a problem

01:13:08.260 of freedom of street speech being restricted for the sake of protecting medi hassan's group that he

01:13:15.060 doesn't he wouldn't like to talk about that this is a problem of a person being assassinated we all saw him

01:13:23.780 die we all saw that and people not only cheering it on but then encouraging it inciting more and posting

01:13:31.700 on social media here's a list of other people i would like to see murdered publicly right at that

01:13:38.420 point this isn't a question anymore it wasn't a question 20 years ago when people were being

01:13:42.420 humiliated and mocked for trying to protect their own communities at that point you're actually in a war

01:13:48.340 whether you want to accept it whether it's heated up to its full extent yet you are in

01:13:54.500 war when it's that divided the the other issue is to friends who are viewing it from a very abstract

01:14:01.540 point about considerations of freedom of speech i want to say that when they are entering into this

01:14:08.180 discussion without drawing the line i mentioned before you're enter you're assuming you're essentially

01:14:16.100 being lured into the leftist narrative because you're functioning from a position that assumes that

01:14:22.260 there is no such thing as a plausible right line to be divided between cheering for the death of an

01:14:30.100 innocent man in front of his family on the one hand and on and getting cancelled for literally deviating

01:14:38.980 from the main narrative that they tried to impose on you they shouldn't they shouldn't see the they 0.61

01:14:44.740 shouldn't uh drag themselves into this trap right before we go on i think it's time to

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01:15:17.380 about sauron yeah very relevant yeah uh check it out check it out no it is relevant because it's

01:15:23.300 about evil yeah it is yeah right so um yesterday pam bondi did a massive mistake she used their 1.00

01:15:30.820 language and started talking about hate speech and said hate speech that crosses the line into threats

01:15:36.660 of violence is not protected by the first amendment it's a crime for far too long we've watched the

01:15:41.940 radical left normalized threats call for assassinations and cheer in political violence that era is over

01:15:48.900 i agree with the last bit it's called incitement to violence you don't have to enter into the

01:15:55.780 language of hate speech and all this nonsense and because she did she gave extra justification or

01:16:03.700 perceived justification for for people to start talking about

01:16:07.460 uh well charlie kirk did hate speech so where was your condemnation of him yeah and i want to show

01:16:14.660 something because we should never forget the specifics of the issue to a very large extent

01:16:23.140 people are thinking about these issues in a very abstract sense without focusing on the particulars

01:16:30.100 and and data and this is incredibly wrong and i want to say that the media the universities

01:16:37.060 but also alternative media platforms they are sustaining this crazily alarmist narrative according

01:16:46.900 to which society is at the brink of extinction simply because people disagree with progressivism

01:16:54.180 and simply because someone disagrees with open borders somehow this is to be credited to a rise in

01:17:01.220 hitlerism absolute nonsense i want to say that um i completely disrespect people who do this especially

01:17:10.260 when it's without evidence and i want to show you here how the left is sustaining this culture

01:17:17.060 and this alarmist narratives by giving you several examples because all of them are trying to basically

01:17:24.740 radicalize people and they are trying to constantly blur the lines between a normally functioned society

01:17:33.940 functioning society on the one hand and a totalitarian society on the other hand and again i will 1.00

01:17:40.180 stress i can't stress this enough no amount of gaslighting by you know crazy imbeciles is going to make 0.99

01:17:48.260 make cheering the death of innocent man the same as saying that people sorry i'm i was completely lost 0.98

01:17:57.140 here well we'll we'll we'll do this there no amount of gaslight gaslighting will ever make us say that

01:18:04.580 it's the same thing to say that we're going to marginalize people who are happy about the assassination

01:18:10.180 of an innocent man in front of his family and call for more assassinations and treated the same with

01:18:18.980 getting canceled with for completely for disagreeing or deviating saying that men and women are different

01:18:26.100 and not interchange yeah where the progress is narrative and i want to show you here this msnbc um

01:18:32.100 hey it's not there you go look at what he's saying at some point i'm gonna have grandchildren

01:18:42.900 and they are gonna ask me granddad grandpap what did you do when the bad men come and what am i

01:18:49.380 gonna say to those kids right what am i gonna say to my future grandkids about what i did in this moment

01:18:54.740 the answer can't be nothing what anybody who is listening to me is doing right now is what you would

01:19:01.220 have done at all of those great and evil points in history what you're doing right now is what you

01:19:07.220 would have done during jim crow what you're doing right now is what you would have done during pinochet

01:19:11.700 or hitler or stalin or any of the other bad guys in history what you're doing right now is what you

01:19:17.700 would have done then right so again how is that how is that not a justification of any terrorism i've

01:19:24.500 i've considered myself the ultimate good guy you're the new hitler therefore anything that i do is

01:19:30.500 actually freedom fighting also sorry i'm gonna call this because his whole thought experiment is

01:19:37.300 based on the idea that his group isn't going to be genocided he says at some point i will have

01:19:42.900 grandchildren at some point they're gonna grow up they're gonna ask me grandpa what did you do

01:19:49.300 because the good guys always win and he's a good guy no but the point is all this is based on the idea

01:19:55.940 that all the narrative according to which all the minorities constantly say we're going to be 0.94

01:20:01.700 genocided if trump is but he's playing in it and he's constantly saying question for white liberals who

01:20:10.820 praise charlie kirk in the name of free speech where are your columns actually differ where are you you

01:20:17.380 columns actually defending the free speech of people who are being fired for quoting meritocratic

01:20:23.940 tweet writing right yeah also look at what he says here how to canonize a white supremacist

01:20:29.940 oh he is he the one who wrote the uh the nation one yeah this should be taken down

01:20:36.900 and uh see here what he says you should have your platform the purging of media voices unwilling to

01:20:42.660 venerate the hateful racist career of kirk has already begun msnbc fired analyst matthew dowd who

01:20:51.060 said in response to the shooting hateful thoughts lead to hateful words which then lead to hateful

01:20:56.820 actions telling the truth of television on television is never the smart career move 0.99

01:21:02.820 well what a moron who did the hateful action yeah your guy no sorry i i i don't think we need to we 0.98

01:21:10.340 we i don't think people like this should be on on uh on msnbc and what gives him the right to a 1.00

01:21:17.940 platform oh here's my favorite guy here's your favorite it's not just and it's it's not just

01:21:23.620 the mainstream media it's also alternative platforms here we have destiny constantly talking about

01:21:30.020 you know fantasizing about you know how conservatives should be killed this is a giant thread

01:21:36.260 shared by sharon brooks he said it time and time again these are multiple compilations i think 0.94

01:21:40.980 we've even showed them on the podcast before where he says that they should be assassinated where he

01:21:46.020 said that they should be in fear they should be worried about being assassinated well destiny if

01:21:52.100 you're going to try and claim plausible deniability how do you get people worried about being killed

01:21:57.700 without at least one person being killed and here he says basically if you wanted charlie kirk to be

01:22:06.180 alive donald trump shouldn't have been president for the second term that's destiny again that's just

01:22:12.020 a terror threat and here he's talking meticulously about planning a murder with his friends and

01:22:16.340 getting so close to going to his house and murdering him and his father how right so the point is when you

01:22:23.140 are the left is constantly using dehumanizing rhetoric across all platforms it's you some

01:22:31.300 people do it with a facade of respectability destiny is actually more honest than that yeah it's just a

01:22:37.860 mask off yeah he's more honest i said he's the one who says it out loud yeah because he's been able to

01:22:44.340 get away with it for so long he got taken off twitch don't believe him if you search for his account and

01:22:49.700 find the post where he says oh my god people mass reporting me have gotten me off twitch because

01:22:54.180 i saw a load of people because i said he's on kick kick is where he streams you can complain to them

01:22:59.220 under guidelines four five and six which prohibit incitement of violence against particular demographics

01:23:04.820 that would also include political demographics such as conservatives incitement to violence in general

01:23:09.700 and incitement of terrorism and encouragement of terrorism destiny is guilty of all of those things

01:23:16.020 on and off the platform so if you would like what i have suggested is that people can follow my

01:23:22.180 example you can go to support at kick.com their email address and you can send an email complaining

01:23:29.140 saying there needs to be greater moderation perhaps his account should be taken down because he is

01:23:33.540 clearly in violation of this guideline this guideline this guideline in the thread that i put up on twitter

01:23:40.100 you can find examples in the thread that you can link to the kick moderation team when you put that

01:23:46.260 forward because destiny should not be allowed on platforms where he can encourage people to get

01:23:50.900 killed he should not be given platforms on piers morgan where he can do the exact same thing he is

01:23:56.900 complicit in this and the same with hassan same with hassan and what i find absolutely worrying is

01:24:04.580 i made a post yesterday about this about this dehumanizing rhetoric that people are

01:24:09.460 habituated into listening from the left and several people who follow me they're not destiny

01:24:16.820 followers they were telling me started is just bread getting buttered it's another day ending in why

01:24:23.060 in one respect it is this is what the rhetoric is about but this is even more frightening this is not

01:24:30.900 a reason to not get worried this is a reason to get very worried because it means that people have been

01:24:37.220 habituated into accepting that the left wing will use this dehumanizing rhetoric and get away with it

01:24:44.740 and here we have hassan piker with mamdani i wonder how many mainstream media journalists are going to

01:24:53.540 ask mamdani about hassan the way they do to right-wing politicians if they happen to have to be on a

01:25:02.180 photograph with someone they consider off the pale yeah also to a certain extent the way these people

01:25:07.620 behave as a father you have to treat them like children like does my does my daughter like it when

01:25:14.500 i tell her off for doing something no do i have to do it anyway so that she can learn or at least there

01:25:20.740 can be some kind of consequences for what she does yes but also let me just end with with this because i feel

01:25:28.180 that uh basically in the last 10 no 10 12 days i feel i've aged a decade i'm incredibly i'm incredibly

01:25:37.700 uh tired and uh yes that that's why you hear me sometimes being very incoherent i i have been

01:25:44.900 incoherent throughout this segment but i want to say yes i want to say that it's not the same thing

01:25:53.380 saying that you need to wait you need to take care and you need to be careful because there are

01:26:00.660 psychopaths out there and bad people who are cheering about bad things and you need to wake up

01:26:06.420 and not associate with them it's not the same thing as cheering about the cancellation of anyone who ever

01:26:13.860 deviated from an incredibly totalitarian agenda of progressivism that only radicalizes people and makes

01:26:22.340 our society worse and has led to the desecrations of neurons of irina zarutska thank you for

01:26:30.260 including who again making it about ending systemic oppression they're again desecrating the mural

01:26:38.660 of charlie kirk by putting the blm fist right making about systemic oppression get some responsibility

01:26:49.300 take some responsibility and here i want to say this we have by eric schmidt he's saying 55 percent of

01:26:59.060 those on the left say it would be at least somewhat justified to kill donald trump 25 of the leftists

01:27:05.860 he calls them very liberal i don't because i don't want to play into this narrative

01:27:09.940 there he says of these americans say political violence can be justified they are doing this

01:27:15.380 because people have been habituated into accepting this ridiculously radicalizing extremist narrative

01:27:23.300 by the left and they shouldn't there's not a both sides issue there are incredible differences and at

01:27:30.100 some point people who are who want to make this about free speech they have to they have to ask the

01:27:36.260 same question the people in favor of of abstract multiculturalism unfettered multiculturalism are in

01:27:43.540 favor of how many people must die in order for you to wake up and understand that there is a problem

01:27:50.820 there are some specifics that you need to to focus on and stop hiding behind abstractions

01:27:58.340 these questions need to be addressed all right thoroughly agree let's go through i'll go through

01:28:04.580 some of these super chats uh just so that we can get through them quickly um on youtube it's easy

01:28:10.340 political violence is terrorism absolutely true uh you're not supporting bondi's take are you

01:28:15.140 questions someone yes the left's pretending to support free speech but every american on the

01:28:18.340 right is condemning pan bondi too yeah we're not agreeing with her using terms like hate speech

01:28:22.660 that's only justified we condemned her in the very beginning of the segment yeah just let's yes stop

01:28:27.780 with we we don't want presentations don't want to legitimize this idea of hate speech that she's 1.00

01:28:32.820 putting it's incitement to violence whether it's direct and indirect and the question is

01:28:38.580 when do we have to to focus on the specifics in order to understand what is indirect incitement to

01:28:45.300 violence ultimately they say they want to kill us they've killed one of us they say what they want to

01:28:51.380 kill more of us at what point do we say you being allowed to say that is just putting us in danger

01:28:57.220 uh hassan piker just got interviewed and normalized to the australian public by the abc or national 0.98

01:29:03.460 broadcaster should we expect any less that's pretty horrifying on rumble mam danny was already on a

01:29:09.220 stream with ilhan omar justifying kirk's killing these people are demons that wear sin like a badge

01:29:14.020 of honor as far as i'm concerned neither of those should be permitted anywhere near u.s government

01:29:19.460 state local or federal or in the country yeah or in the country uh that is true anybody who can't

01:29:25.860 bench like 60 kg by themselves without a spotter for more than two reps uh should not be allowed

01:29:32.500 anywhere near state office the engaged few i refuse to call him that anymore this is destiny henceforth

01:29:37.700 his name is density because that describes him better than any other moniker uh cranky texan if even if it

01:29:44.020 was cancel culture and what made what the left doing so was doing so terrifying was involvement by the

01:29:48.900 security state and state-funded ngos that's why pam blondie needs to shut up yes 1.00

01:29:55.620 the left who are used to acting with absolute impunity are losing their minds now that the

01:29:59.220 shoe is on the other foot and we're more than perfectly justified in doing so they can get

01:30:03.460 bent yeah it took them literally murdering somebody for them to actually start to face anywhere near the

01:30:10.660 kind of consequences that we have been experiencing for years i got kicked out of my i got kicked out of my

01:30:18.180 band for talking about the fact on this podcast that men cannot be women right i got kicked out of

01:30:25.780 my band for that not that the band wanted to but because the actual apparatus of the uk music scene

01:30:32.580 did not want me in the band the people who were the gatekeepers didn't want me in the band that was

01:30:38.660 cancel culture i didn't murder anybody nor when somebody was murdered did i cheer and say let's

01:30:45.140 do more of that so there's a complete difference there every person who celebrates the assassination

01:30:50.740 is publicly declaring that they believe people with the wrong opinion should be silenced by any means

01:30:54.900 we have an obligation to hold them to their own standards i'd be careful there we do not want to

01:31:00.580 encourage violence we do not condone violence i encourage consequences and repercussions for people

01:31:07.220 who would have violence committed to me trump visited the king of england today and the parade

01:31:13.140 was really awesome to see and finally stelios's discussion is perhaps the most important component

01:31:18.100 of this debate and i want to see him expand on this in a separate video i can share to folks on x

01:31:22.500 and facebook perhaps when you've collected your thoughts it's not that honestly i i'll do it it's

01:31:27.700 not an issue of collecting your thoughts it's an issue of me being absolutely exhausted that is

01:31:32.340 absolutely fair once you've had some rest and you're up for it i think perhaps a daily video or

01:31:36.420 something could be very instructive for people all right then uh do we have time for video comments

01:31:42.260 samson how many are there and for the comments on the website i'll go through them after yeah okay

01:31:48.900 go on then samson got them there

01:31:52.660 england belongs to the english 0.99

01:32:03.780 england they took your guns they took your swords and they raped your women you have nothing else to 0.96

01:32:12.020 lose but there's still hope you are still the majority so you either fight for this nation or you 1.00

01:32:19.620 let all of these rapists muslims and corrupt politicians take over and after what they did 1.00

01:32:25.060 to charlie kirk debate time is over 1.00

01:32:31.140 was that at the tommy rally yes valentina gomez i think yes um oh god you've got a channel russian

01:32:38.420 yeah he's out there you can uh watch that stuff and subscribe i was not there i was in a field

01:32:44.100 wearing elf ears in kent however the bassist and drummer from my band were performing at the tommy

01:32:51.700 rally as the backing band

01:32:55.780 my question is a bit of a tough one and it's probably something others are going through too

01:32:59.700 while none of my friends are directly supporting or celebrating the assassination of charlie kirk

01:33:03.940 a lot of them are making excuses and lying about him similar to how lewis goodall did in carl's latest

01:33:08.500 video i've tried to be respectful and disprove their claims but they still stick to the talking

01:33:12.740 points of racism and transphobia and it just seems like the conversation goes in circles i really don't

01:33:17.780 want to end friendships with people i enjoy but how do you stay friends with someone who doesn't try

01:33:21.700 to listen or understand you really appreciate everything you all do love you guys um if they

01:33:26.740 don't try to understand you they're not your friends sorry yeah the question they just want you to

01:33:33.540 understand them but they don't want to see you as an equal apparently yeah the question becomes for

01:33:39.300 for me in a situation like that would they make excuses if it was me because of my opinions and if

01:33:45.700 the answer is yes then you shouldn't associate with them i second both of those

01:33:51.780 it's

01:34:05.780 where cathedral cats have all arisen and sheep worry will

01:34:11.620 i uh i remember as a beautiful small boy going to a carlisle it's the one and only time i've

01:34:28.580 visited there because uh that old uh classic steam engine that the flying scotsman had been taken out

01:34:34.580 of retirement and i went with my granddad for the day i remember as a child getting to carlisle and we

01:34:39.220 went wow this is really boring and we got an early train home because it was a but perhaps worth a

01:34:44.900 revisit if for the eye of sauron if something else i've never been carlisle i was in the uh lake

01:34:50.340 district a couple of years ago it's a lovely lovely part of the world but i didn't get a chance to go

01:34:54.420 to yes i love the lake district though yeah the left can't meme because among other things they have no

01:35:02.260 self-awareness this is why they accidentally make the right wing look cool speaking of now my mech is more

01:35:08.900 less functioning anybody got some mech video ideas remember no fed posting

01:35:17.940 ultimate mech battle is there somebody with similar mechs that you can pit

01:35:22.740 against one another like robot wars back in the day optimus prime

01:35:26.580 maybe yeah have it transform into like a lamborghini for yourself that'd be cool but

01:35:31.380 you would need to build a lamb gear well i'm gonna be at the first fleet forum that's advertising

01:35:39.380 you're gonna be there carl so they didn't accept my speech pitch but that's okay i'm up against

01:35:46.020 academics and what i was pitching was a glorified epiphany anyway but it'll be good to see you and i will

01:35:52.420 have my copies of islander hoping to get a signature

01:35:59.380 oh you can check how much they go for on ebay

01:36:02.980 it's a lot it's a shocking amount it is yeah it's all the video comments all right then well

01:36:09.860 i'll very quickly just go through two from my segment amara wild says politics is the only realm in which

01:36:15.460 you can support aborting uh labor in the first term and still have the moral high ground i'm even

01:36:21.380 willing to consider a caesarean solution uh god knows uh they've stabbed us in the back over 23 times

01:36:29.140 by now well obviously don't endorse a caesarean solution you've got to read hex uh rex's because

01:36:35.940 that's a great comment uh and then uh rex says uh david lammy eating crayons in his room and a

01:36:41.220 person sir you've been made prime minister that that is how it's gonna happen it really that's

01:36:47.620 how we're gonna get our first black prime minister is that david lammy is just gonna

01:36:53.940 fall into it somehow um so let's see uh texas gal says at first i thought the text messages sounded fake

01:37:05.060 but if you read it in your best slash worst redditor voice it makes sense because one of the problems is

01:37:09.700 is that all three answers that i provided are somewhat plausible yeah which is why i am

01:37:15.300 withholding public statements on where i fall so far and chance from canada has said has asked will

01:37:23.060 you guys cover the israel conspiracy theory on kirk's assassination i'm pretty certain that carl

01:37:27.700 covered a lot of that on thursday's stream the day after it happened so if you want to go back

01:37:33.940 and see some of the information i'm sure it's been expanded on by now having been almost a week

01:37:38.820 but a lot of the information regarding that conspiracy theory was already available by that

01:37:43.940 point so you can uh watch carl's segment for more on that and then to read some of your celios or

01:37:49.780 should we read through some of them um yeah furious dan says the left why are you cancelling me what

01:37:55.620 happened to your principal the right you shot them so honestly i just don't think it's an issue of

01:38:01.620 us not having principles there's no contradiction no in what we've been saying versus what we're

01:38:06.660 saying now they're entirely consistent yeah um baron von warhawk remember these people don't care

01:38:13.060 about free speech they're only using the first amendment as a shield because they know the right

01:38:17.540 wing holds it in such high regard they created cancel culture to begin with and used it to cancel

01:38:24.260 people over jokes made 10 years ago there is nothing wrong with using the tools of the enemy in

01:38:29.220 moments like this because if the roles were reversed they would have shown us no mercy at all

01:38:34.820 i will say that you know again i don't think it's using the tools of the enemy because

01:38:41.460 let's take the u.s and say it's a classically liberal society within classically liberal societies

01:38:47.380 you have a focus on civil society it's a bottom-up society rather than a top-down imposed society

01:38:56.820 and you can have civil society exerting moral pressure for and against some positions

01:39:04.660 it's just that's always what the what the whole thing was always i don't know whether at some point

01:39:11.300 i i'm i'm i don't know whether at some point what you're calling as 90s liberal was against this

01:39:18.340 against the idea that civil society should exert moral pressure if that's the if that's the case then

01:39:24.740 i'm not for that right arizona desert rat and also that predates leftism the idea that you're having

01:39:32.180 a civil society that exerts moral pressure and people and tries to ostracize those that they

01:39:38.500 consider worthy of being margin marginalized it's way before the left arizona desert rat for uh

01:39:46.260 reek or weak and insecure people like destiny are often the most dangerous as they're the most willing 1.00

01:39:52.340 to take extreme action together way yeah yep and i was watching a good video by scott jennings on cnn

01:40:01.700 who's really gonna doing a good job against the cnn leftists who were constantly trying to

01:40:08.420 to shake away responsibility from the left who was they were saying these were some random people and

01:40:14.740 say no no you cannot not accept responsibility for random people when you're radicalizing them

01:40:22.500 at some point when you are engaging in such rhetoric inflammatory rhetoric some random people are

01:40:29.140 going to be influenced by it yep absolutely well we've run over time ladies and gentlemen but entirely

01:40:35.540 worth it particularly for those final two segments unpacking all of this and figuring out principles

01:40:41.860 and again a very important conversation to be had so uh we thank you for joining us and

01:40:47.780 you're more than welcome to join us again tomorrow at 1pm have a good day

01:41:17.780 scholarship perspective

01:41:30.900 let me in see

01:41:31.940 uh

01:41:32.580 thank you

01:41:33.060 let me just

01:41:33.860 let me

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The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - September 17, 2025

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