The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1479

00:00:00.000 good afternoon ladies and gentlemen welcome to the podcast the load seaters for friday the 7th of

00:00:04.620 august 2026 i'm joined by nick and josh and today we're going to be talking about the gargantuan

00:00:10.240 meltdown that everyone is having in british politics feels like a weekly event at this

00:00:14.320 point doesn't it like everyone's flipping the hell out um but uh dominic cummings has rendered his

00:00:20.120 verdict on nagel farage and keby baynock and i mean i really enjoyed dominic cummings uh verdict

00:00:25.300 on the Conservative Party.

00:00:27.120 Did you see him talking to Michael Gove?

00:00:29.460 Yes.

00:00:29.980 It was amazing.

00:00:30.860 He said, Michael Gove,

00:00:31.360 do you think I could have been promised?

00:00:32.540 He was like, yeah, in this condition,

00:00:34.180 anyone could be promised.

00:00:35.280 Because if Starmer can, then you can.

00:00:37.580 Everybody's completely crackers.

00:00:38.760 Yeah, just absolute slaughter.

00:00:41.880 Then we're going to be talking about

00:00:43.020 how the Telegraph has declared war 0.71

00:00:44.260 and restored Britain because of Israel.

00:00:47.620 And then we're going to be talking about 0.96

00:00:48.580 how we can actually fix this mess

00:00:50.080 because Restore Britain have their

00:00:51.380 economic policy document out,

00:00:52.740 which Josh takes through.

00:00:53.680 and it is of course everything i've ever wanted you're welcome so let's go

00:01:00.000 ready to start yeah you look at me like that with no words that's usually when we want to start

00:01:05.640 um there's got to be a better system but first i just want to say something about islander six

00:01:09.920 which is you can buy it now while stocks last and then sell it later for thousands of pounds

00:01:15.220 and carl benjamin has an article in there you know he's a controversial guy i disavow him

00:01:19.800 obviously but he happens to have a great article in island of six oh thank you it is true the

00:01:24.740 resale value is remarkably high remarkably high as long as you don't sign them hope that's not

00:01:28.440 like a trading standards thing where he no no well i mean it's only because i refuse to have

00:01:34.760 them republished okay like if we were to like republish older ones i'm sure the secondary

00:01:38.660 market value would crater but i don't want to so island of six by now all right so should we get

00:01:45.100 into it so Dominic Cummings as you say has had quite a lot to say he has condemned Farage and

00:01:51.320 Kemi it's over for both of them so they're done now these are only the views of Mr Cummings

00:01:56.220 other views may differ mine may differ but I'm just going to faithfully report what he says

00:02:01.020 and he also has his usual quite interesting things to say about elites and the difficulty in

00:02:06.420 circulating elites the difficulty in a new mindset and a new elite taking over and why that's so hard

00:02:12.260 and why it's very hard to have it without massive crisis.

00:02:14.580 So that'll be fun.

00:02:16.100 I haven't read this, but I just read the opening line,

00:02:19.000 which is not pulling any punches.

00:02:21.960 Do you mind if I read it?

00:02:22.740 Kemi is a useless NPC propped up by mostly fifth-rate SW1 dregs. 0.99

00:02:27.100 And the attempt from the old regime to portray her 1.00

00:02:28.660 as black, thatcher, a contemptible idiocy. 1.00

00:02:31.100 Yeah, so he's not on the fence. 1.00

00:02:32.840 He's not on the fence. 0.94

00:02:33.580 So this is the Kemi part, absolutely. 0.98

00:02:35.460 The idea that you can be a bog-standard, useless Tory minister, 0.94

00:02:38.220 bamboozled by officials and always blaming juniors for failure, 0.72

00:02:40.720 with no other accomplishments or talents,

00:02:43.500 but a great PM is something only believable in SW1. 0.87

00:02:47.000 So that's his fairly brutal Kemi verdict. 0.86

00:02:51.000 And, you know, I like Kemi.

00:02:51.960 See, I'm a nice guy, it's my problem, as you know.

00:02:53.980 So I like Kemi and I'm tempted to like her.

00:02:56.060 Because you see her do media and she's quite engaging.

00:02:58.720 But then I read a Cummings piece and I kind of sober up and think,

00:03:01.360 he does have a point that, you know,

00:03:02.540 she sort of worked at McDonald's, fast-tracked into the Tories.

00:03:06.280 Can she actually do anything?

00:03:08.080 He says no.

00:03:09.000 Can she come up to meetings on time?

00:03:10.280 I was just about to say exactly that.

00:03:12.280 Sorry.

00:03:12.840 He's improved in the media stuff,

00:03:14.200 but his point is basically,

00:03:15.580 that's all nonsense anyway,

00:03:17.280 and don't be distracted by it.

00:03:18.900 So the Kemi's great Toys are a covering story

00:03:20.880 is a perfect case study 1.00

00:03:21.800 of how the rotten SW1 ecosystem

00:03:23.780 runs almost entirely on ephemeral emotional waves

00:03:26.640 and denial of service attacks

00:03:28.280 against their own perceptions of reality.

00:03:30.400 I don't use substand at all,

00:03:31.760 but if I was going to,

00:03:32.640 it'd be for Dominic Cummings.

00:03:33.720 Yeah, it's almost a sort of poetry of Cummings, isn't it?

00:03:36.540 There's a few things he always says.

00:03:37.740 Completely crackers listening to his...

00:03:40.280 Completely Cracker's girlfriend, which he means Boris.

00:03:42.900 He always says trolley, meaning Boris.

00:03:44.980 And he often says OODA loop is a big thing he says a lot.

00:03:48.120 Narrative whiplash.

00:03:48.960 You just get used to all his different codes and terms.

00:03:51.920 As SW1 has become insular and social media oriented

00:03:54.660 and more hated by and hating of the voters,

00:03:57.380 this process has become more random and weird.

00:03:59.840 So he's basically saying they're trapped in this weird echo chamber, basically.

00:04:06.720 So to the extent she sometimes seems to have been the best leader today, 0.78

00:04:10.280 this only reflects the collapse of elite talent in sw1 over generations she's the archetype of 0.95

00:04:14.780 the modern politician who joined the sw1 social world without the faintest club of how to do 1.00

00:04:18.820 anything or how to think about meaningful political activity so she just threw herself

00:04:23.320 into media entertainment and like trust thinks that's modern politics you know this is the sort

00:04:28.100 of if you did want to attack kemi yeah she's married to a guy she met in the tories she loves

00:04:31.540 the tories it sort of gave her something she was struggling in this country not knowing what to do

00:04:36.140 and this sort of gave her something so she loves the party but that's great for Kemi's social life

00:04:40.220 and career is it great for the country Cummings says no of course not my view not once has she

00:04:46.500 gone through the process of develop real priorities we must make this really big important argument

00:04:50.800 to persuade people here's how to do this in detail phase by phase here's a great team executing it

00:04:55.740 with creativity and discipline over months so we know that Cummings is all about this when it came

00:05:00.200 to the leave campaign he was like right let's boil this down what do people want they want to

00:05:04.440 take back control you know what do we all deliver how do we deliver the message how do we achieve

00:05:08.520 this and of course he did win with help but he just thinks that modern politics sw1 whitehall

00:05:14.920 has no idea how to do these things and actually accomplish anything they're trapped in a media 0.99

00:05:19.760 echo chamber and they're all idiots i've been saying this for many years and as have many 0.99

00:05:26.820 other people so i mean yeah like this isn't a particularly innovative um or perceptive thing 0.99

00:05:33.560 I think the most interesting thing about it is that he was, for a brief period of time,

00:05:38.800 one of the central people in the government, right?

00:05:42.940 And the papers were talking about him.

00:05:45.160 He was the mind behind...

00:05:47.180 Oh, he was Boris's Morgan McSweeney.

00:05:49.640 Yeah.

00:05:50.760 And if you believe Cummings, Boris listened to him at times and then was effective,

00:05:54.120 then stopped listening to him and became ineffective.

00:05:56.660 True, to be honest.

00:05:57.540 Yeah, there's something in it.

00:05:58.320 Obviously, it's self-serving to a degree, like anyone is, perhaps.

00:06:01.960 but we're just warming up though we'll get to the farage bits this is the chemi part where you say

00:06:06.260 it's sort of obvious but we're just warming up um she hasn't even thought about this process she has

00:06:10.360 no idea what it is because she's a product of tori world and tori world doesn't think about this

00:06:14.560 process and can't execute it tori world lost in interest in ideas and in power many years ago

00:06:20.120 but also lost the ability to think about campaigns extending over time everything collapsed to a one

00:06:24.800 to 10 day window so just on that that's so totally true i've had such a brutal analysis

00:06:32.000 of the 14 years of conservative rule like they don't even know why they want to be the government

00:06:36.980 right they i think they do it just so they've got the 90 grand a year pay that the mps get it's like

00:06:42.400 oh we have to otherwise why do we even exist doing what we do and then they arrive there and do

00:06:46.640 nothing or at least i mean nothing that's not woke they seem to see their job as continuing

00:06:51.080 Blairism didn't they? Well they were the authors of everything woke that happened in this country

00:06:55.200 yeah they were literally the government at the time. And Kemi you see now to be fair Kemi would

00:06:59.180 claim she has thought about this she's taken time she's put together a plan she's built a team that's

00:07:03.940 what she's been doing so she would obviously dispute all of this just to be very fair about it

00:07:07.740 I'll get into a minute as well what she would dispute because he says she has no policies but

00:07:12.240 there's also a part here where he this is hard to disagree with because it's just factual they've

00:07:16.140 just fought a by-election and they got two percent with two other parties on the right being the

00:07:20.360 focus while the toys were entirely irrelevant in the election to replace burnham meaning manchester

00:07:24.640 they similarly got beaten by restore as well as reform yeah that's true they got beaten in

00:07:28.860 makerfield and manchester yeah by two parties on the right yeah so yeah pretty bad and that's

00:07:34.620 the volume between 15 20 that has been a very slow uptick so they went from about 15 back up

00:07:41.960 to about 20 over the last like six months a year um which is okay they've sort of had the lib dem

00:07:49.100 strategy of just not being the center of attention and just relying on the stink of their previous

00:07:55.060 actions to slowly fade away yeah and i think that's what's causing the climb rather than anything that

00:08:00.980 they're actually doing i don't think they have any political agency to create any more enthusiasm

00:08:06.100 for them and also the people that have been lost to reform and restore aren't going to go back

00:08:11.820 because of the tory betrayal and also like they've kind of shrunk to the hinterlands in the southeast

00:08:16.280 east of england where it's like you know this is like the old tory areas and the shires so okay

00:08:22.440 that's great but you're never going any further it's like the lib dems literally being the party

00:08:26.420 of the southwest so you're never getting out of that box you know i was going to say that and

00:08:30.460 with the exception of aberdeen where they weren't quite conclusively on net zero essentially so

00:08:35.820 there was something the tories brought in yeah yeah well the asda were doing a lot of their

00:08:40.660 policies one conclusively against the policies we enacted so it's amazing that's an outlier but

00:08:46.080 Yeah, in general, you're right.

00:08:47.000 So their political operation is rotten to its core. 0.94

00:08:51.080 No priorities, rubbish teams, never a real campaign, 0.92

00:08:53.480 just media entertainment service. 0.88

00:08:55.720 And they're worse at content generation and campaigns 0.76

00:08:57.800 than ISIS, Hezbollah, and Scientology.

00:09:01.700 They cannot first... 0.98

00:09:02.800 But honestly, just a quick thing, that's totally true.

00:09:06.180 Like ISIS, one of the problems of ISIS 0.73

00:09:08.620 is I had a really slick social media campaign.

00:09:11.240 Good comms, Burnham's making notes.

00:09:13.200 Yeah, yeah, probably. 0.58

00:09:14.540 Hey, say what you like about ISIS. 0.82

00:09:16.080 you know don't agree with what they want which eyes do you like isis 0.87

00:09:20.240 but they're not he's not wrong isis did know what they were doing with social media strategy

00:09:26.540 say what you like to say what you like about isis clipping the alistair he's clipping this as we

00:09:31.420 speak um so they cannot focus attention on one thing not one as you can see by asking your own

00:09:38.580 brain kemi has successfully communicated zero priorities zero ideas zero facts zero arguments

00:09:44.420 she has nothing ever of interest to say about all the amazing things happening in the world

00:09:48.660 she just burbles the desiccated patois sw1 evolved for all speeches interviews op-eds which turns

00:09:54.600 everybody's hearing off except those paid to listen i mean that's a good point i don't actually

00:09:58.440 know what kemi badenak wants yes that's why i included this because i was going to push back

00:10:02.140 slightly in the interest of being a independent journalist and say she wants to not commit to net 0.99

00:10:08.740 zero anymore she wants to get out of the echr and grow the economy by reducing regulations that's

00:10:14.840 what i know which is not load no he's saying zero i'm saying it's also i mean if you asked

00:10:21.240 every single conservative and person on the right in britain they would all say those things yeah

00:10:27.120 they're kind of back i've watched i actually watch all her speeches and i still only know those three

00:10:31.640 things they're kind of like background assumptions it's you know it's like well i'd like to you know

00:10:36.700 get a job and go to university and get married and have kids like these aren't radical josh said

00:10:43.760 she's trying to play it safe she was speaking to ed balls yesterday in a podcast and she just said

00:10:47.780 i don't want to be divisive nigel farage is divisive he's blaming immigrants the other

00:10:52.040 side of blaming billionaires i don't i just want everyone to come together it's like it's all right 0.90

00:10:56.340 but it's like that's a sort of nothingy centrist sounds like the sort of thing an immigrant say

00:11:00.520 it's just a non it's a centrist fluff isn't it basically yeah i mean it sounds like the sort

00:11:06.200 Also, if you're trying to win over the right once again, basically, all the people that have gone to reform and restore, then having a very weak record, and that's putting it politely, on immigration is not the thing that you want when it's the issue defining all of British politics, not even dividing it in left or right.

00:11:27.000 It tops opinion polls as the most important thing.

00:11:31.200 And so to be tacitly in support of it, although not drawing attention to it,

00:11:37.000 is the last thing you want if you're trying to regain popularity.

00:11:41.400 Yeah, and it's not necessarily their policy anyway,

00:11:43.420 because they've just said that rich people will be prioritised for social housing, I think,

00:11:47.300 which is essentially saying...

00:11:48.060 That's true, but there are, what, 1.34 million people on the social housing waiting list

00:11:53.200 as of March 2025 and their measures would only free up about 230,000 of those houses which is

00:12:02.840 still better than nothing I will grant them but obviously the problem is much deeper than that

00:12:08.740 yeah this is like Keir Starmer though saying I brought down the seven-year NHS waiting list

00:12:12.480 to six and a half years so okay well done yeah I mean Kevin's strength is seeming more sensible

00:12:18.220 than some of the parties on the right

00:12:19.920 and Farage's kind of gimmicks

00:12:21.180 and his, you know, chaos.

00:12:23.200 But the disadvantage is,

00:12:24.700 as Cummings says,

00:12:25.460 what does she actually stand for?

00:12:26.960 And he has one more point here

00:12:28.040 that's worth noting.

00:12:28.720 Always remember,

00:12:29.200 leave was done to the Tory party,

00:12:30.660 not by it.

00:12:31.860 The Tory MPs never understood

00:12:33.120 why we won,

00:12:33.800 never understood what had to be done.

00:12:35.640 This is what Karl was saying.

00:12:36.580 A century ago,

00:12:37.300 Tory MPs were very uncomfortable

00:12:38.360 out of office.

00:12:39.380 Now Tory MPs look and sound

00:12:40.900 much chirpier out of office.

00:12:42.640 They don't have to pretend

00:12:43.560 to engage with serious issues

00:12:44.620 and the realities of government.

00:12:45.740 They can just fully indulge

00:12:46.680 their appetites.

00:12:47.280 does feel like that doesn't it sometimes so and we know cameron of course was opposed to it's such

00:12:52.520 a weird thing the tories he called the referendum and fought against it it's a weird thing he fought

00:12:57.880 it he called it because of the right of his party and because merkel wouldn't back down and was an

00:13:01.400 idiot and then cameron campaigns against leave but leave was sort of the new energy and then the 0.89

00:13:06.260 incumbent allegedly conservative party was campaigning against it it's fundamentally weird 1.00

00:13:10.760 and we have this realignment of the politics not matched by the party since then cameron was a

00:13:15.320 massive liberal so yeah yeah but it's such a fundamental even though it's an obvious fact

00:13:19.300 it's just such a fundamentally weird thing to think about yeah um you know you that's the new

00:13:23.200 realignment and you go to the other side of it therefore what's the point of you so now you get

00:13:27.060 on to the farage stuff this is the more exciting stuff perhaps farage blew his chance he can destroy

00:13:31.460 the tory's position but not do what's needed so i've been saying this for a long time haven't i

00:13:37.020 so as cummings april 2025 he made these predictions he said well he asked these questions

00:13:41.860 can reform hire a great team for research policy communication and campaigning

00:13:45.980 and can they set out a story combining candidate selection and a political story

00:13:50.480 can they figure out how to jujitsu the weight of the insider attacks

00:13:53.580 to their advantage and of course cummings said quite a while ago they will attack farage with

00:13:57.740 everything they'll lie they'll go after his tax they'll smear and now we're seeing the smears

00:14:01.620 beginning the answer to all of this was no and i said this ages ago farage has to be able to

00:14:06.660 understand that the media is his enemy and he has to donald trump them the judo flip them

00:14:11.660 i guess what he's referring to judo flip the media and just have them promote his message

00:14:15.780 everywhere for free in the way that donald trump did with the wall right faraj just failed to do

00:14:21.140 this right and he said at the time back in april 25 they do not need to transform to high performance

00:14:26.520 in order to destroy the tory strategic position they can win 50 to 150 seats as a one-man ban

00:14:31.420 protest party but they do need to transform to what he calls high performance in order to win

00:14:35.480 a majority in 2029 then deliver. So and he said in July voters don't want ideal parties but they

00:14:43.280 don't want reform if it's populated by the likes of Jake Berry. 2026 February he's saying more on

00:14:49.900 this that they haven't been showing this transformation they're just going after Tory

00:14:53.840 dregs. Anyway so he says now that these he said I said he can keep operating as he has for 20 years

00:15:01.860 and destroy the Tories, but it's obviously impossible to do this and then control Whitehall

00:15:05.560 and change government in the way voters want and the country needs. I said the most important thing

00:15:10.360 to watch was the signal concerning talent recruitment. Does Farage start a clear story

00:15:14.760 to the country about recruiting the best people who are overwhelmingly outside SW1, or does he

00:15:19.660 mostly recycle SW1 duds? These questions have been answered definitively. So he's saying he made

00:15:26.140 these choices a few months ago. Character proved to be destiny. Bit of Cicero, is it? The consequences

00:15:31.680 is predictable and predicted. He will not recover. No, there isn't some way to get it back on track

00:15:36.440 or help him figure it out. He decided clearly he is optimizing for destroy Tories, win the 20-year

00:15:42.180 vendetta against Tory MPs, stay the star of his show and stick with the old inner circle of coke 1.00

00:15:47.400 heads and charlatans. Not my words, Dominic Cummings. Not mega national recruitment project 1.00

00:15:52.080 control number 10 and change the country. He's screwed. He and his team already can't cope with 0.99

00:15:56.700 the regime campaign against him and it's just got going. Like Kemi, he can carry on wasting

00:16:00.960 everybody's time for years he can still destroy the tories and main and the main focus of his

00:16:05.540 inner circle but there is no prospect of a serious project of power with him i've said that as well

00:16:10.600 just exactly almost exactly those terms for farage is literally just being completely unserious with

00:16:18.340 everything that he's doing well this is the stuff we've been saying for years i remember saying this

00:16:22.920 sort of stuff on the day of the 2024 election and people were saying oh josh you're a bit downbeat

00:16:28.580 aren't you but you know it's come to be the case hasn't it although people might say about restore

00:16:35.240 as well but we'll get on to them in the in the next segment i suppose but um certainly

00:16:38.880 cummings here is giving up on farage because he did meet with farage and tell him what was required

00:16:43.800 and it's sorry just a quick minute the character proves to be destiny i said this i said this on

00:16:48.200 the um on a gb news show the other day that i was on will kingston's gb news show i said look look

00:16:54.140 Like, Farage's problem is his character.

00:16:56.320 He's like Del Boy, right?

00:16:57.720 It's like, he might be likable, and he might be able to make money

00:17:00.640 or, you know, gain attention and be the star of the show

00:17:03.360 and all this sort of thing.

00:17:04.480 But fundamentally, he attracts the wrong kinds of people around him

00:17:07.140 because he's an intrinsically inauthentic man, right? 1.00

00:17:11.020 I mean, look at the sloganeering that he does with Reformers, 1.00

00:17:13.900 like, let's say, family, community, country. 1.00

00:17:17.320 It's like, okay, well, you're twice divorced,

00:17:20.220 so let's put the family thing on the back burner.

00:17:22.720 I mean, he's admitted this in public.

00:17:23.900 like community where are you from are you from clacton do you spend any time in clacton what

00:17:29.760 community are you cultivating and then third one being country it's like you were about to run off

00:17:33.680 to america to go help donald trump just before until the the clacton polling came out and it

00:17:39.980 showed that reform were in the lead in clacton which is where you stayed and kicked out the

00:17:43.760 champion in clacton who's going to be the candidate there who would have been an mp

00:17:47.680 and took his place instead so like fundamentally these things do not feel like the these are like

00:17:53.120 the authentic Nigel Farage and then you've got like you know him being like I can't be bought

00:17:57.140 I can't be intimidated okay well you I can get you to say quote Chungus as much as I want if I

00:18:04.140 just pay what is it 75 quid on cameo and secondly you're in the media at the moment going oh I'm

00:18:08.620 worried about my security and don't worry I'm not even saying you shouldn't be worried about

00:18:11.400 your security you probably should but the point is you can be intimidated as well so like all of

00:18:15.940 these things like you're not the thing you're claiming to be and it is a matter of character

00:18:21.140 that is the issue here yeah and we'll get on to that america stuff in a sec um he also just adds

00:18:27.620 serious decent people in and around reform who gambled reasonably that the toys are dead so we

00:18:32.140 should try to make this work have lost and should abandon ship yeah and by the way i feel a bit bad

00:18:35.840 for people like james or reading this because i know james i like him you know he he's i think

00:18:40.080 involved in recruitment to reform so i he's involved in policy he's a cummings his uh views

00:18:44.820 but you know he he's hammering anyone saying it's right though he's certainly right that it's not

00:18:49.380 really been communicated if reform are doing some great recruitment spree we haven't really seen it

00:18:54.380 we see a couple of appointments here and there so it doesn't feel like that certainly and in terms

00:18:59.380 of the message um so just on the america thing underrated he jacks it in and goes to america for

00:19:05.000 the 2028 election he can have fun and make money and be on tv without getting kicked down the street

00:19:08.740 every day by white hall and lawyers been saying that for ages when when reform get down to about

00:19:13.280 let's say 17 percent of the polls i reckon for us just quits and goes to america what's funny about

00:19:18.340 So I was, isn't it funny?

00:19:20.140 I'll make it to Farage more for a second.

00:19:21.960 I was actually at his birthday when I was allowed to things before I was so banned from everything.

00:19:26.400 And that's before he came back to reform as leader.

00:19:29.900 And he was talking about going to America and sound like that's what he wanted to do.

00:19:32.720 And he said he was persuaded back into it.

00:19:34.600 Even the other day on the radio, he was saying, you know, and I got persuaded into it.

00:19:38.020 He's still talking about it.

00:19:39.140 And even before he called the Clapton by-election, he was saying, I thought about it, you know, should I go to America?

00:19:44.300 Because he's still your leader of the party

00:19:46.600 that's ahead in the polls in the country.

00:19:48.800 And he's still on the back going to America.

00:19:50.320 Like he never quite gets it out of his head.

00:19:52.060 Because he fundamentally doesn't really want to do it

00:19:53.840 on some level.

00:19:55.060 Obviously part of him does.

00:19:56.120 He said that initially.

00:19:56.840 He's like, well, I've got my very comfortable life.

00:19:58.360 I've got my GB News show.

00:19:59.640 You know, I don't need to do this.

00:20:01.220 And it's like, then don't, Nigel.

00:20:02.500 We've got other people.

00:20:03.560 And I don't totally blame him because, you know,

00:20:04.760 it's horrible.

00:20:05.780 And he's getting attacked constantly.

00:20:06.960 I don't care about the five million.

00:20:08.260 But it's kind of like Trump as well.

00:20:09.800 Part of Trump didn't want to do it.

00:20:10.900 But then they tried to put him in jail.

00:20:12.080 then people started shooting at him

00:20:13.260 and I think the spite kicked in

00:20:14.800 whereas Farage

00:20:15.520 even though they are going for him

00:20:16.920 I think it hasn't

00:20:17.400 hasn't quite kicked in that level

00:20:18.680 he hasn't got the backbone

00:20:19.360 he hasn't quite got the level of spite

00:20:21.080 that Trump has

00:20:21.720 he might still develop it

00:20:23.160 you know when they

00:20:24.120 when they were going on

00:20:25.320 about the five million

00:20:25.960 you could see him getting more angry

00:20:27.000 but if you're

00:20:27.860 because part of me

00:20:28.380 you must be thinking 0.99

00:20:28.800 do I really need all this rubbish 1.00

00:20:30.180 and I think Farage 0.95

00:20:31.640 I've got five million in the bank

00:20:32.760 right

00:20:33.260 do you really want it

00:20:34.520 and Trump I think

00:20:35.400 was like

00:20:36.020 do I need to abandon my life

00:20:37.200 but he was like

00:20:37.680 right I'm going to beat these

00:20:38.560 because he hated them 0.55

00:20:39.720 but that's the thing

00:20:40.060 I just don't think

00:20:40.660 Farage has that kind of fire

00:20:41.940 in his belly. I don't think he hates the media as much. He doesn't hate the whole system as much

00:20:45.180 as Trump ended up hating them. Agreed. And I think that Rupert Lowe probably does hate them as much

00:20:50.080 as is needed. Believe me. I know, I know. I was thinking about that. I mean, I think Rupert goes

00:20:55.400 too aggressive in interviews for my taste, but, or for what's effective, but yeah, I was thinking

00:20:59.720 about sacrifice for Farage is probably being leader of reform because he'd probably rather not,

00:21:04.460 sacrifice for Rupert might actually be... Quitting. Yes, it could because he's offered this deal.

00:21:09.320 So it's a sort of different thing where

00:21:10.680 there's a sacrifice different for different people.

00:21:14.040 So, and he also has focus groups show Faraj seriously weakened

00:21:17.080 by the last few months since he made his fateful decisions.

00:21:19.520 Yeah, the million, five million thing is not,

00:21:23.260 I think the thing that's knocked him down most in a few points

00:21:25.780 is the Clapton by-election.

00:21:27.340 When he announced that, that's knocked him down

00:21:28.560 something like three to five points.

00:21:30.140 So that did knock him down.

00:21:31.780 The five million, I don't know if that's cutting through or not, but.

00:21:33.980 I've seen a lot of people just talking about it

00:21:36.700 because they it from the normies that i know i see them posting on facebook not towards me or 0.92

00:21:42.400 anything just like there's oh this nigel farage isn't hooked on billionaires and stuff like this 0.91

00:21:46.100 and like i it does seem it's cut through with the normies because they are resentful you know 0.94

00:21:52.320 five million is a lot of money well yeah no one wants anyone having any money in this country

00:21:54.960 yeah i know it's all i think things we think like 80 grand is like living a life of luxury

00:21:59.220 yeah i know paying your bills in london oh this guy gave him five million why would he do that

00:22:03.220 because billionaires

00:22:04.600 give famous people

00:22:06.200 gifts

00:22:06.580 yeah

00:22:06.980 that's why

00:22:07.700 it doesn't bother me

00:22:08.160 you need funding

00:22:09.760 it's nothing compared

00:22:10.600 to America as well

00:22:11.320 but

00:22:11.500 it's such a tiny amount

00:22:12.360 of money really

00:22:12.820 in the grand scheme of things

00:22:13.660 so that's Farage

00:22:14.760 just for time

00:22:15.380 then I'll just give

00:22:15.880 the highlights of this

00:22:16.600 which is Burnham

00:22:17.320 from outfits to outlook

00:22:18.440 is the 1998 dream

00:22:19.760 personified

00:22:20.440 a 90s insider

00:22:21.700 crossed like most

00:22:22.560 of SW1

00:22:23.220 with a downstream

00:22:23.800 culture of the maddest

00:22:24.760 parts of San Francisco

00:22:25.760 and he said

00:22:27.600 his style will greatly

00:22:28.440 cheer the old SW1 regime

00:22:30.040 as the system

00:22:30.600 crumbles beneath their feet

00:22:31.720 they can whistle

00:22:32.580 won the wall as they accelerate into the wall and as the sparks fly they'll implore the locals

00:22:37.300 dodging the flames to don't look back in anger so that's so true that's his take on burnham which

00:22:41.860 i think is highly accurate um and he just talks about more sort of sw1 uh echo chambers and 0.99

00:22:48.880 stupidity um each they're all happy to pretend to run the country while leaving sir humphrey 0.99

00:22:54.160 to do 99 of it meaning a reference to yes minister of course the civil service running everything 1.00

00:22:59.540 but I'll just get on to this because this is important elite coordination pre-regime change

00:23:03.720 crisis is historically rare very hard and is stalled so he basically here says look we can

00:23:08.860 all see what we're heading for but why isn't it stopped well it's just very difficult so he says

00:23:14.520 the asymmetry of gains and cost is central to why we've simultaneously a more than and more elite

00:23:18.980 defections as people realize the old regime is accelerating us all into disaster and b still no

00:23:23.660 serious project of power to replace the existing parties control number 10 and systematically

00:23:27.820 achieve regime completeness, breaking the power of the permanent official caste forcefully though

00:23:33.020 peacefully. Such a project needs an alliance between a subset of defecting elites and a subset

00:23:36.900 of the masses. So he's basically saying there's all these asymmetric, there's all these perverse

00:23:41.180 incentives and so on, that it's no one in the system benefits from a long-term project that

00:23:48.260 makes you unpopular, damages your career. You know, it's just very hard to do. And the system

00:23:54.080 obviously replicates itself therefore he says historically this coordination meaning elite

00:23:58.220 coordination is very hard when we see the cycle of regime change we ask each time why didn't those

00:24:03.220 who saw it coming do more there's always a mass of elites who can't see the crunch coming and a

00:24:07.400 subset who can but can't coordinate before the deluge taking action individually is extremely

00:24:12.160 costly for defecting elites and coordination is extremely hard before an existential crisis like

00:24:17.540 1848 or 1917 this is the unfortunate bit it now looks likely we'll only see this on the other side

00:24:24.260 of financial disasters and showers of blood my hope was to dodge this branch of history and

00:24:29.060 spark defecting elites to coordinate partly using leave as an icebreaker of the revolution

00:24:33.040 this started to happen but failed in 2020 it now looks unlikely to happen before the crack-up

00:24:38.020 so he's saying the only way now is a crisis forcing people to act because as it stands the

00:24:43.160 incentives just aren't there and the warnings can come but it's just too hard to get it together

00:24:47.380 yeah so what he's saying there though is that boris shouldn't have won and farage should have

00:24:53.720 gone on the full assault in 2019 and tried to crush the tories then well if boris won he should

00:24:59.740 have stuck with the cummings program sure and not abandon it and not then get booted out

00:25:03.420 and then that's what he felt and he obviously blames himself partly as well um anyway that's

00:25:08.000 there is this funny chart down here high performance politics versus sw1 serious grown-ups

00:25:13.360 a checklist and you can just go through high performance extreme talent and critical jobs

00:25:17.580 weed duffers meaning get rid of the bad people and then sw1 extreme talent hated and practically

00:25:22.380 unlawful promote duffers and you go through the whole thing one of the funniest ones is relentless

00:25:27.000 effort sacrifice versus let's go skiing shooting shagging beach so you get the idea he's saying 0.65

00:25:33.560 that you need high performance people lee quite new types prepare to be unpopular very good 1.00

00:25:38.400 operationally instead what you get is a load of idiots who care about the media he's always said 0.97

00:25:42.020 that i know that part's not new but always fun to get it reiterated oh and one more bit this is 0.99

00:25:46.520 quite interesting people have been accusing him of working with farage they've been accusing him

00:25:50.520 of working with the store and all sorts of other things and he basically goes through all the

00:25:54.520 rumors and says i'm not working with anyone at the moment i'm the furthest from sw1 i've ever been

00:25:59.820 here you go so kemi's officers repeatedly punted to hacks that i've been trying to organize a coup

00:26:04.920 other people have said he's worked for farage he says it's not true none of that's true and he just

00:26:10.660 says he hasn't been less connected to sw1 since 2005 seven i love this bit i find the black

00:26:15.680 poisonous wasteland of westminster and its social scene so loathsome it's impossible to write much

00:26:20.420 about it without feeling sick so um he just goes on when i look back at x lists for sw1 or think

00:26:26.900 of writing about the chemi recovery farage's implosion burnham etc my heart is black with

00:26:31.040 revulsion so anyway and it's quite funny because he goes i've been working with the models and

00:26:35.920 this is where he starts to sound like dr octopus talking to his arms it's possible to train the

00:26:39.820 models so he just like he's just sending his time with the ai llms and uh not the humans so um yeah

00:26:46.560 very interesting though from burnham basically in conclusion kemi's done farage is done we're

00:26:51.400 all screwed until the massive crisis forces us to do something well that's some good news

00:26:56.940 that's uh that's that's great news uh margarita says good afternoon to you all i enjoy your

00:27:02.840 podcast oh thank you very much good afternoon enjoy having you as a listener uh right so let's

00:27:07.820 let's move on um so the telegraph has decided to choose today to declare war and restore britain

00:27:13.320 which is interesting i didn't see it coming i mean i i wanna i knew that the establishment

00:27:20.280 was going to start uh drawing a divide between their uh convenient pet uh outlets uh sort of

00:27:28.360 um pressure release valve in reform uh but i didn't think it was going to come as quickly

00:27:33.100 actually. I thought it was going to be a little while and closer to an election before they

00:27:38.760 started going really all out. But no, they've decided, actually, Nigel Farage might be bad,

00:27:44.420 but I mean, Rupert Lowe's worse. And so we don't want any of that. Anyway, before we begin,

00:27:48.700 Islander Six is on sale now. It's amazing, and it's full of good ideas on what we should be

00:27:53.820 doing in the future. So get it while you can. Anyway, so this, I think, is a consequence of

00:27:59.920 Rupert Lowe's strategic move to offer Nigel Farage some kind of electoral pact, peace talks,

00:28:08.180 as it were. Farage said, well, I'm open-minded, but nothing has come of it, to the most of my

00:28:14.260 knowledge. And so they're having a little discussion, reform, restore, and the telegraph

00:28:20.900 is like, not on my watch. I'm going to intercede here, because actually I despise Rupert Lowe

00:28:26.500 with the fury of a thousand suns um this is alice the heath has just written this long article

00:28:32.600 saying well farage must reject rupert lowe's repugnant dance with white nationalism restores

00:28:37.360 positions free via frequently into bigotry and overstep the bounds of civilized discourse and 0.51

00:28:42.260 saying well hang on a second who the hell are you and who asked yeah alice the heath just happens

00:28:45.880 to be the editor of the telegraph but like who asked sunday telegraph is it sunday telegraph

00:28:49.900 sorry yeah i i really dislike this sort of argumentation where it's just like actually

00:28:55.560 my opinions are the bounds of civilized discourse and anyone that crosses my opinions is uncivilized

00:29:01.780 and it's just like that's just a veiled way of having a childish argument really it's like i'm

00:29:07.280 sorry but unless you um have everything within the realm of political discourse all you're going to do

00:29:14.380 is create more pressure that will come back to um haunt you later yeah and the thing is i'm not in

00:29:20.860 any way sympathetic to the nature of the argument that he's trying to make as in no i'm i'm sick of

00:29:26.360 the right being henpecked by leftists and he's like yeah but could i henpeck you from the center

00:29:30.700 right please no actually you can't like we've been dealing with this for 15 years now we're not

00:29:36.080 having it it was extremely vicious i mean that's partly he's polemical style i've read other

00:29:41.200 articles and they're all like this and it's quite good when he's attacking something you agree with

00:29:44.820 but it was particularly vicious it wasn't sort of well restore might want to think about their 0.99

00:29:49.500 rhetoric it was full on your racist scum basically i thought it was completely wrong and appalling 0.98

00:29:55.420 then later we could get on to whether charlie was necessarily smart but we can get on to that later 0.98

00:30:00.540 but i've got opinions on that but but on hallister i was surprised that the vehemence not surprised

00:30:05.620 because i've read his pieces but it was full on if you if you care about the demographics of the

00:30:11.220 country which millions and millions of people do then you're just pure evil i think that's not a

00:30:16.160 serious position it's it's a position it's not based on first principles it's based on

00:30:20.480 you know the ick it's based on oh i don't like the sound of that it sounds a bit bad

00:30:24.660 but the this idea of white british it's just a census yeah uh phrase isn't it which it's got

00:30:31.280 all out of well i mean we'll quote from the article lowe's views are frequently repellent

00:30:37.040 he crossed my red lines his social media feed and some of his lieutenants regularly overstep

00:30:42.740 the bounds of civilized discourse oh guys pack it in we've crossed alistair heath's red lines

00:30:48.520 it's over we better stop god whatever we were advocating for we can't have that because alistair

00:30:53.480 heath says no no sorry alistair i'm not not bothered about this at all right but then he

00:30:58.540 goes on to say this it isn't racist to want far less immigration or to kick out illegal immigrants

00:31:02.840 or to bid farewell to legal immigrants who refuse to integrate or stack on handouts or break the law

00:31:08.080 or even under certain circumstances to strip criminals and terrorists of their citizenship

00:31:11.820 then what are we arguing about right yeah agreed with all that yeah what's your problem then

00:31:17.040 it is legitimate to worry about the scale of demographic change and the challenge of absorbing 0.98

00:31:23.240 large numbers of muslim migrants or to fear the clash of civilizations notice how he specified

00:31:28.240 muslim interesting interesting isn't it but okay so what's the problem then what are you complaining

00:31:35.620 about he says though low appears to be obsessed with race not merely immigration as if there's

00:31:42.340 no connection with the number of foreigners here and immigration this race thing as well

00:31:49.400 is something that julia hartley brewer said in a debate with charlie and it's entirely it's a

00:31:56.480 census category yeah it's an entirely baseless thing because when when you're identifying who

00:32:01.980 the british are we're talking about ethnicity not race one of the annoying things here is that

00:32:06.820 saying well you care about skin color it's like well you know a frenchman could have the same

00:32:11.600 skin color as an englishman but it doesn't make them english right yeah i mean if if the census

00:32:16.340 says native british as in english scottish welsh from northern irish then we wouldn't have to use

00:32:21.680 the term white but for some reason on the census it says white british instead of native british

00:32:25.660 because yes it has to be both because otherwise it could be a french person or a german so you

00:32:29.280 And if it says British, it could be somewhere completely different

00:32:32.660 because of citizenship, so it has to be white. 0.95

00:32:36.160 So, yeah, then they get, oh, it's skin colour. 0.94

00:32:37.560 It's like, well, not really.

00:32:38.460 It's this quirk of melanin from being on a rainy island,

00:32:41.400 and we have to then get into this, if you're obsessed with the skin colour,

00:32:43.880 no, it's about English people in their own country.

00:32:45.740 Can they have their own country, please?

00:32:47.080 Exactly.

00:32:47.660 It's a normal thing in any other country.

00:32:49.540 But notice the left never make this attack anymore, right?

00:32:52.560 It's the centre-right saying, oh, no, no,

00:32:54.440 you can't notice the changing demographics of your country.

00:32:57.380 The centre-right are the people who are like,

00:32:59.640 don't notice your high streets, don't look at it,

00:33:01.920 don't worry about it.

00:33:03.040 No, sorry, that is the most pressing concern.

00:33:05.000 And the odd thing is that, I mean, maybe you can answer it,

00:33:07.280 but he's only using Matt Goodwin's data.

00:33:10.220 And presumably he doesn't think they're beyond the pale.

00:33:13.000 Matt Goodwin surely is not beyond the pale.

00:33:14.460 Right, and when Rupert was grilled about King Charles,

00:33:18.820 he was using the self-defining data from 2021. 0.88

00:33:22.600 You're a white Briton, if you've self-defined as such

00:33:24.920 in the census of 2021 that's all it meant so when nick robertson and rupert didn't have it to hand 0.52

00:33:29.260 but when robertson's grilling him we say well yes king charles would be a white britain because

00:33:32.900 he'd presumably say he was on the census so we're all going mental but also i mean like king charles

00:33:38.160 well one i think the king's a bit of a special exception in anything but two he is descended

00:33:42.940 from harold godwinson and william the conqueror as in it's the lineal descent from families that

00:33:48.040 matters so the fact that his ancestors were in germany even though they were descended from

00:33:54.160 William the Conqueror is a bit of just a historical um irrelevancy really you know yeah but as you

00:33:59.260 say King Charles would doubtless say I'm a white Briton yes and even if he wouldn't it's one of

00:34:03.260 those little outliers like oh Boris Johnson's American and Joanna Lumley's Indian it's like

00:34:07.020 can we be serious yes please um anyway so the he carries on and says Rupert Lowe states in his

00:34:13.060 video that white Britons will become a minority by 2063 a development that he describes as 0.99

00:34:17.240 demographic vandalism that cannot be allowed to happen yeah I completely agree with that and the 0.95

00:34:23.380 thing is Alistair I know you completely agree with that if we talk about a country that's not Britain 0.53

00:34:28.720 right we'll get into how Alistair absolutely agrees with the concept of demographic security

00:34:35.120 just not for us that's the thing it's just not for us the centre-right are just gatekeepers of this

00:34:41.780 sort of language it's okay when it's for their own uh sort of pet political projects but when

00:34:48.220 when applied at home all of a sudden things change but surely your principles shouldn't change

00:34:54.240 depending on where you're talking about you would think it would be the right of every people to

00:34:59.980 have demographic security in their own countries not just one people anyway uh the then complains

00:35:06.560 about charlie downs with julie hartley brewer uh saying that restores opposition to this shift

00:35:11.000 is ensuring demographic security for the white british people because in 2025 53 percent of

00:35:15.580 births in england and wales were to white british mothers which downs described as an existential 0.99

00:35:20.420 threat to our nation again obviously true if you are white british and want the white british 0.92

00:35:26.660 to continue to live in britain as their homeland i mean we've we've had what 10 15 20 maybe even 0.89

00:35:34.280 30 years of ethnic minorities in this country complaining about how hard it is to be a minority

00:35:40.580 and now we're just meant to be like,

00:35:42.080 okay, well, there's no harm done.

00:35:45.000 It's going to be fine.

00:35:45.980 We'll be okay.

00:35:48.100 And also, that's not even to mention the resentment towards us

00:35:52.620 for many things that are no fault of our own.

00:35:55.920 Look at this next bit, right?

00:35:57.580 Imagine your reaction to this despicable, vile slur

00:36:00.620 if you're the parent of an ethnic minority child

00:36:02.680 or in a mixed-race relationship.

00:36:04.860 I wonder why that's important to him.

00:36:06.120 I wonder what aspect of his family life. 0.74

00:36:08.240 Imagine some fanciful nonsense. 1.00

00:36:10.160 Imagine some bullshit, right? 1.00

00:36:11.980 According to this obscene framing, 1.00

00:36:13.420 you're effectively guilty of destroying our nation.

00:36:15.800 There's a name for such prejudice, racism.

00:36:18.520 Oh, thank God.

00:36:19.420 Thank God we've got to calling people racist.

00:36:21.120 What's quite funny about that is Baston Booty, 0.99

00:36:23.180 who is a black girl,

00:36:24.900 said that she totally agreed with what Charlie said. 1.00

00:36:26.920 No, it's fine. 1.00

00:36:27.680 That's an ethnic minority.

00:36:29.060 Therese is an ethnic minority from Lebanon.

00:36:30.380 He's like, yeah, what are you doing? 0.98

00:36:31.640 It is completely possible.

00:36:34.020 It's just inevitable that numbers add up

00:36:36.660 if you add millions and millions of people

00:36:38.840 into the same landmass, the numbers add up.

00:36:41.500 I mean, that part is the motivation

00:36:43.300 for him writing the article, right?

00:36:44.600 It's personal for him, which is why he's writing this.

00:36:47.700 Maybe, I don't actually know.

00:36:48.700 Scratch the surface of any of these people

00:36:50.600 and you find, oh wait, there's a personal reason

00:36:53.540 why they have these opinions.

00:36:54.880 And it's because of his family.

00:36:56.760 But he says, sorry, go on.

00:36:58.020 I was going to say, my view is we should ban

00:37:00.540 racism pretty much completely

00:37:02.520 because it's allowed so much evil,

00:37:05.200 notably the grooming gangs,

00:37:06.960 Henry Novak's death, and on and on.

00:37:08.840 And he's trying to use it to say, you're not allowed to be concerned about the demographic change in Britain.

00:37:13.720 And that's leftist, because I prefer the Renaud Camus position, which is you can be anti-racist, meaning the whole ideology, the prevailing ideology, whatever you want to call it, wokeness, whatever it is that we live under, DEI, and critical race theory.

00:37:28.120 Yeah, it lives, but anti-racism, so-called, is its core tenet.

00:37:32.400 And so if you want to be against that, of course, they're going to call you racist, but you can be anti-anti-racist, meaning you're against that prevailing ideology and all that comes with it.

00:37:38.840 because it leads to the rapes of thousands of girls

00:37:41.060 under the idea that the worst thing is being called racist.

00:37:43.460 So when Heath engages in that, to me, you're on the left then at this point.

00:37:48.260 Yes, and this is his dream, right?

00:37:51.180 And this is a dream from the 1990s. 0.82

00:37:54.340 He says, you can agree, as many non-white British citizens do, 0.99

00:37:57.840 there's been too much immigration.

00:37:59.660 The aim must now be to build a patriotic, integrated, 0.98

00:38:03.080 colourblind, non-woke society.

00:38:05.160 Look, man, I think that ship has sailed.

00:38:07.840 I think it's just far too late.

00:38:09.800 The day is too long in the tooth for this kind of idealism.

00:38:14.040 It was 2020, really, that opened Pandora's box for identitarianism.

00:38:18.780 And people have realised now, well, if it's okay to have this level of ethnic identitarianism, 0.68

00:38:26.380 then we can have it as well.

00:38:28.300 And that's not going anywhere anymore.

00:38:30.220 It's just too late.

00:38:31.400 The Conservative Party let in millions and millions of people really, really quickly.

00:38:35.400 and people hated immigration anyway

00:38:37.460 when it was in the hundreds of thousands,

00:38:39.180 let alone the million a year

00:38:41.140 that the Conservatives let in.

00:38:42.440 Well, it was a political issue

00:38:43.340 in like the 60s and 70s.

00:38:45.900 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:38:46.420 It's always been hated.

00:38:47.400 Characters like Enoch Powell, right?

00:38:49.140 Like it's been a long unresolved issue

00:38:52.440 that has multiple generations of resentment

00:38:54.720 at the political classes for not resolving it.

00:38:57.420 And by wagging your finger

00:38:59.140 and tone policing people about it,

00:39:01.180 all you're doing is adding more and more fuel

00:39:03.620 to, you know, the fire here.

00:39:05.540 The thing is, you can make his case.

00:39:07.440 It's the case that you don't want to get into identity politics.

00:39:10.360 You want to go back to the meritocracy.

00:39:12.020 Way too late for it.

00:39:13.460 But the thing is, why make it so aggressively?

00:39:17.520 And that's what I don't understand.

00:39:19.360 Because lots of people advocate that position.

00:39:21.940 And it would be nice.

00:39:22.740 I mean, that's what we had.

00:39:24.280 But there's a way of doing that without calling everyone names,

00:39:27.560 I think, which would be more persuasive.

00:39:28.900 But the problem is, again, what this does is conceals the nature of the demographic change

00:39:35.660 in the country. What he's saying is you're not allowed to identify the nature of the demographic

00:39:39.820 change. And actually, we've got to just integrate all of these people so lawfully and at a reasonable

00:39:45.380 speed, the British people can be dispossessed from their ancestral homeland. That's what that 0.99

00:39:49.440 framing, that conceptual framing, is designed to do.

00:39:54.040 You have to understand, Carly, he is French. So, I mean, I didn't want to say,

00:39:57.400 but why are French people 1.00

00:39:58.420 telling us how to run our country

00:39:59.380 that's my fundamental

00:40:00.360 and you get a lot of this

00:40:01.060 with Irish as well

00:40:02.220 like you're like

00:40:02.660 Brendan O'Neill

00:40:03.300 is like oh no

00:40:03.860 we can't ever have Rupert Lowe 1.00

00:40:04.780 it's like yeah but you're Irish 1.00

00:40:05.700 yeah I'm more sympathetic

00:40:07.800 to the Irish

00:40:08.260 I mean the French

00:40:09.040 the French telling us 1.00

00:40:10.120 what to do 0.78

00:40:10.460 that's a story

00:40:11.180 historical red line

00:40:12.360 sure sure sure

00:40:12.720 but the point is

00:40:13.940 these people aren't

00:40:14.980 actually British either

00:40:16.020 Napoleon led 0.56

00:40:17.260 I mean come on

00:40:18.800 it's like

00:40:19.380 yeah well fair enough

00:40:20.340 I mean yeah 0.99

00:40:20.640 if you're not British 1.00

00:40:21.620 maybe pipe down a bit 1.00

00:40:23.180 Alice there

00:40:24.020 anyway so he goes on

00:40:25.660 and complains about

00:40:26.280 Rupert Lowe 1.00

00:40:26.700 contrasting british areas in manchester with more muslim areas it is of course true that certain 0.87

00:40:31.880 areas have become dominated by self-segregating south asian muslim communities okay you literally

00:40:38.000 define them as non-british you call them south asian so if you can't define these people without

00:40:44.560 reference to another part of the world it's fine for us to say they're not british like you can't

00:40:50.400 determine who they are without making reference to another part of the world also just because

00:40:55.400 you've got british citizenship doesn't change who you are as a person like if i became a citizen of

00:41:01.760 north korea for some reason i don't know why i'd do that but i wouldn't all of a sudden become

00:41:06.540 korean would i no one in their right mind would say that yes i'm struggling a little bit with

00:41:11.020 this as well he says they seem to insinuate meaning those words that muslims are not british

00:41:17.100 which is foul but doesn't he just up here say the challenge of absorbing large numbers of muslim

00:41:23.460 migrants. So which ones are 0.89

00:41:25.540 British and when do they become British in

00:41:27.200 Mr Heath's mind? Because he's saying there 0.90

00:41:29.600 he's admitting it's a challenge to absorb them

00:41:31.360 then he's saying it's foul that you say they're not British

00:41:33.220 surely absorbing them means 0.84

00:41:34.700 converting them into being British so when does this 1.00

00:41:37.580 happen which ones are? If they listen to the police 1.00

00:41:39.580 when they instruct them to put their weapons back 0.59

00:41:41.600 in the mosque and let them go. Then they're British 1.00

00:41:43.780 Yeah I guess so. I'm genuinely interested 0.83

00:41:45.800 because he did single out as you said Muslims

00:41:47.480 saying that's a challenge to integrate but here he's saying

00:41:49.580 it's foul to say they're not British. Hasn't he just basically

00:41:51.720 said the same higher up? He's admitted it yeah

00:41:53.460 it's it's it's all completely incoherent i love this bit it's like so savage javid is british

00:41:58.600 shibana mahmoud is british zeer yusuf is british how dare anyone imply otherwise all right well

00:42:03.880 that is that that's exactly that's a rallying cry are we libtards or not so that is with me

00:42:09.200 that is his distinction then it's basically muslims that he feels are soon to be assimilated

00:42:13.140 yes but other ones are a challenge yes yeah but this is the circular logic of you know 0.83

00:42:18.020 well they're british if they've got british values well what are british values and no one

00:42:22.440 can define them because british values are whatever the british um believe in the british

00:42:27.000 a series of ethnic groups like i'm not all of a sudden not british because i find cricket boring

00:42:34.960 and i think batter ruins fish and fish and chips yeah if you weren't for gay rights that doesn't

00:42:39.280 make you any less british actually um but anyway he carries on complaining like rupert lowe said

00:42:44.380 that they must ban halal and kosher slaughter and he says this is despicable and puts low

00:42:48.960 be on the pale is it why you can see this is obviously this is riled alistair heath to me

00:42:57.520 that position is about my understanding is many people recognize halal is is wrong and then rupert

00:43:04.540 didn't want to be inconsistent a lot of people said what about kosher so he said okay kosher as

00:43:08.220 well this is basically the same practice right but he hasn't tried to be i don't think he wants to

00:43:13.340 target jewish people but i can see it's not the most popular policy but but would alistair agree

00:43:18.120 on the halal part he might perhaps i don't know well he doesn't seem to he doesn't agree on that

00:43:22.580 okay um he specifically says rupert lo wants to make it impossible for jews or muslims however

00:43:28.240 well established however much they love britain however diligently they've served our country

00:43:32.160 including the military to practice privately their religion for the first time in 370 years

00:43:36.160 i mean there's press including the military how many wasn't it the more joined isis yeah that's

00:43:41.520 quite a popular position i mean even amongst the left and animal rights activists it's quite a

00:43:45.560 popular position that halal and kosher are not ideal yeah and also why shouldn't we assert our

00:43:50.280 own views on it like we have a view that we should be humane to animals and in my opinion

00:43:57.780 more barbaric cultures have brought in their practices that we have every right to say listen

00:44:03.840 no we're not doing that and just because we've been lenient in the past doesn't mean that all 1.00

00:44:08.700 of a sudden we should turn a blind eye to immorality yep i do understand the jewish 1.00

00:44:12.660 position which is well you're going to make it very hard for us to get this because get our food 0.99

00:44:16.440 why are you doing that especially if we're sort of conservative leaning anyway and you're just

00:44:21.300 why do this and it's a very minority it's a small issue so you could say that it's a silly thing to

00:44:26.180 be focused on but like you said for consistency sake he kind of has to do that's what i think it

00:44:30.820 is but uh anyway he ends he ends this article and you can feel the rage just furious farage and

00:44:36.340 kemi badenak must continue to build multi-racial multi-religious small c conservative coalitions

00:44:41.680 and reject Lowe's repugnant dance with white nationalism

00:44:44.600 and religious discrimination.

00:44:46.340 If a deal is to be done, it will be between the Tories and reform,

00:44:49.360 says Alistair Heath.

00:44:50.900 Laden in the language of basically the enemies of the British people here.

00:44:56.200 Multi-racial, multi-religious,

00:44:59.080 and he's against religious discrimination. 0.99

00:45:03.140 The thing you never wanted, immigration.

00:45:05.400 The thing you never wanted, mass immigration.

00:45:07.940 That is a core component of Alistair Heath's worldview.

00:45:10.840 if it's i mean he literally says we must speak up now or bear responsibility for the coming 0.97

00:45:16.380 catastrophe what's that coming catastrophe millions of foreigners going home to him that

00:45:21.360 is the catastrophe so okay well i mean the response online tim was not great i mean you can just look

00:45:26.960 at the replies and you know it's just people just pretty savage ratio yeah absolutely and

00:45:32.780 even from their own subscribers they were just like alistair shut up mr he should resign from

00:45:37.760 the telegraph such global cheap shot hit piece you know still getting my vote blah blah blah right

00:45:42.940 and these are all people who are paying to use the telegraph if you're disgusted and disappointed

00:45:46.860 mr heath yeah i've checked this this happens so much now on telegraph comments they're not in line

00:45:51.900 with their readership because they're trying to defend the liberal world order um anyway then

00:45:55.920 they were complaining well rupert les refused so the kings of white britain so i mean there are two

00:46:00.960 different ways to take this and and you know i don't let's pull i don't care let's move on right

00:46:06.120 oh no, Rupert Lowe said this, right?

00:46:08.000 He didn't really add, he just said we can split hairs.

00:46:10.280 Yeah, yeah, exactly, I know, I know. 0.99

00:46:11.820 He didn't take the question seriously, which is fair.

00:46:14.560 Yeah, yeah, absolutely, right?

00:46:15.580 Then you've got the Telegraph view,

00:46:16.720 oh, Restore Britain is beyond the pale,

00:46:19.120 as in Rupert's a big meanie head and we don't like him.

00:46:21.420 That's all, the editorial view of the Telegraph is that

00:46:24.500 neither Mr. Farrar's nor Kimmy Baynock must be tempted

00:46:26.880 to come to any sort of arrangement with the Lowe and his acolytes.

00:46:30.080 To do so would be a terrible error,

00:46:31.340 not simply politically, but morally too.

00:46:33.800 Restore Britain has no place in the corridors of power,

00:46:36.020 as if this is your decision to make.

00:46:37.460 A bunch of spineless worms at the Telegraph 0.91

00:46:39.440 that aren't actually standing up for their country 0.52

00:46:41.500 at a moment when it needs it most, right?

00:46:44.080 So Rupert Lowe came out and just said,

00:46:46.640 no apologies whatsoever, right?

00:46:48.800 No apologies.

00:46:49.920 Millions of British men and women have watched their streets,

00:46:51.640 their towns, their schools, their cities,

00:46:52.740 their high streets, their neighbourhoods,

00:46:53.880 change beyond recognition.

00:46:55.720 Do they talk about this?

00:46:56.840 No.

00:46:57.400 You can see this everywhere.

00:46:58.900 It will not stop us.

00:47:00.300 Excellent.

00:47:01.200 And Charlie Downs also responded to Heath

00:47:03.800 because he's been criticised for the debate with Julie Hartley Brewer.

00:47:08.240 He says, well, I'm not apologising for demanding demographic security

00:47:10.520 in our own homeland either, because, of course, why would you?

00:47:13.260 And then they were like, aha, but six months ago you did something

00:47:17.180 and now you get the hit pieces too.

00:47:19.420 So these are constantly coming out now.

00:47:22.420 Yeah, now this is unfortunate.

00:47:23.760 I mean, this is just a lie.

00:47:25.160 Well, that's, yes, I was going to say.

00:47:27.240 So a few things, I mean, Charlie is a good guy.

00:47:29.880 I didn't understand his post.

00:47:31.840 I don't think it was a great post.

00:47:32.700 but it's also true that he didn't say this and put to put that on the front of the telegraph

00:47:37.600 i would be thinking about when a young man hasn't actually said that i think that is very nasty

00:47:42.820 my position i'm not part of a store britain so i can just be totally objective i know you guys

00:47:48.460 sort of are but i'm i think rupert's interview wasn't amazing i think alistair his article was

00:47:53.680 terrible i think charlie's post is not wise and i but i also think they've changed they've added

00:47:59.280 words that he didn't say and they stuck on the front of the paper which is nasty media the media

00:48:03.600 of course being the worst people of all with their moral high ground completely unjustified but i

00:48:08.600 didn't understand the point you know why charlie is posting this i i don't go for this because i'm

00:48:12.000 not i don't go for this israel stuff i don't i don't go for all that i just think i'm concerned

00:48:15.640 about this country and there is a part of the right and the left that's obsessed with israel

00:48:19.280 i'm not one of them so i'm like why are we even well same here i mean we only ever talk about

00:48:23.560 israel when everyone else makes israel come up right but uh this is charlie's post so he didn't

00:48:28.740 make any comment of any sort of that um this is in response to nigel farage having reform friends

00:48:36.000 of israel jewish alliance right uh and so alex hearn the spokesman for labor against anti-semitism

00:48:42.380 said restore britain spokesman insinuated that nigel farage been bought by jews he didn't say

00:48:47.200 that right there's no thing that the telegraph as well going to labor yeah yeah exactly right so

00:48:53.620 the union party is like right we're just gonna lie about you now we're just gonna lie post about

00:48:57.380 If you want to steel man it, I'd say it's something really from America,

00:49:00.800 more usually seen in American politics,

00:49:03.160 which is something about lobbying groups and things like this.

00:49:05.740 Yes, it's about lobbying groups of foreign interests.

00:49:07.700 But then if Charlie's going to put a post up with no words,

00:49:09.980 he's inviting various interpretations, isn't he?

00:49:12.960 So it's not the smartest thing to do.

00:49:14.340 Sure, but there's, I mean, that's not to say they've been bought by Jews. 0.95

00:49:16.940 Nigel Farage could quite happily, and I'm sure does, do this for free.

00:49:20.500 There's no particular reason to think any money's exchanged hands here.

00:49:23.580 I think Nigel Farage has long described himself as an ally of Israel.

00:49:27.380 an ally of zionism i don't think that's controversial in the slightest and so to

00:49:31.680 say oh he's been bought by no that's not that's what you've brought to this right uh and so this

00:49:37.060 is something the telegraph admit to right a co-founder of restore britain has been accused

00:49:41.760 of suggesting nigel france was bought by jewish supporters well yeah anyone could be accused of 0.80

00:49:45.680 anything i accuse the telegraph of being a gay rag that wants to destroy the country put that in 0.76

00:49:51.720 headline um but that's very different to the actual headline that they put here which implies 0.56

00:49:58.160 that he had specifically said this and so this is openly deceptive deeply deceptive and like you say

00:50:05.080 it's going after a young man i mean it's like this is very very very hard line stuff but no no one's

00:50:11.900 no one's said that nigel far has been bought by anyone these are just accusations from labor

00:50:16.360 anti-semitism groups uh but you know who has been bought is the telegraph the telegraph was bought

00:50:22.520 by a german group called axel springer want to hear anything from the ceo of axel springer

00:50:28.400 i think we are all zionists now they love israel for some reason now like i'm with you right i

00:50:37.260 don't care about israel they can love israel all they want but the telegraph is an openly zionist

00:50:43.080 publication right they are owned by an openly zionist ceo and that's fine i mean they have

00:50:50.720 loads of loads of like you know commentators like neil gardner here he's just a telegraph

00:50:55.500 contributor and you can just search for him in israel it just constantly goes on how much he

00:50:59.620 loves israel and it's like okay that's fine but say you know oh well you know you've you've been

00:51:05.400 brought by israel more or jewish um jewish interest well that's not what he said but you

00:51:11.260 are an openly zionist outlet you were bought by an open zionist and at the moment i mean richard

00:51:16.540 tice is actually in trouble for undeclared interests in israel so it's just like again

00:51:22.220 that's a bit of a weird thing i also saw um a report recently that um since 2024 since the new

00:51:29.180 intake of mps um israel was one of the top three countries for offering paid trips to along with

00:51:38.220 qatar and and a couple of others as well but to suggest that that isn't that going on as well and

00:51:45.360 that you're an anti-semite to point it out when actually there's considerable evidence that i mean

00:51:50.220 he's literally under investigation for failing to declare an all-expenses trip to israel exactly

00:51:55.380 so it's just like okay i don't know what to tell you about that but let's go back to alistair heath

00:51:59.240 because alistair heath loves israel he loves israel more than anything israel's bravery has

00:52:04.080 expose the lie at the heart of starmer's foreign policy the battle jerusalem faces not just about

00:52:08.700 defending the jewish state it's about upholding civilization itself so okay look man i'm not i'm

00:52:14.460 not against this i don't want israel destroyed i don't care about israel i don't care about

00:52:18.360 palestine i would never talk about these things if you guys weren't constantly talking about these

00:52:22.960 things but man that some of the things you guys have said about israel really annoy me right this

00:52:29.200 is what he says about zionism zionism involves accepting a simple proposition the jewish people

00:52:34.680 should have their own country in the historic land of israel okay why can't i have that why

00:52:39.520 can't why can't britishism be the british people should have their own country in the historic

00:52:44.040 land of britain i'm so sick of these people i am so sick of it they they understand the arguments

00:52:51.640 perfectly but when it comes to the survival of their own people or in his case you know half of

00:52:57.760 his own people yeah then all of a sudden it's like no no i don't get what you're saying this

00:53:03.020 is racist blah blah blah blah well it's not like human nature changes depending on whether it's in

00:53:08.280 the middle east or britain right let me let me carry on right he says zionism is the agreement

00:53:14.940 that there should be a jewish national self-determination for a viable secure homeland

00:53:19.220 in israel so then he is arguing literally for demographic security of jewish people in israel

00:53:25.880 and he says well the hard left wants to dismantle the only truly democratic nation state in the

00:53:29.880 region and one way or another force the jewish people again into minority status if the jewish 0.55

00:53:36.500 people in israel don't want to be forced into minority status which i completely sympathize

00:53:40.280 with why would you want to why can't that apply to us alistair like why can't we have the same

00:53:46.340 in fact it carries on right there would no longer be jewish self-government a jewish majority state

00:53:51.780 the zionist interlude with the earth as in the the jews would lose control of their own country

00:53:55.900 i mean am i being unreasonable no i've always thought that's a strange contradiction presumably

00:54:02.460 the argument goes something to do with the uniqueness of israel historical oppression and

00:54:07.220 and the constant attacks from their border and so on and therefore they'd say it's different

00:54:11.880 and they'll say probably we've not been historically the same or something but i've always thought

00:54:16.040 every nation i don't want to end up in that position yeah i've always thought every nation

00:54:19.120 has a perfectly normal right to want to,

00:54:21.740 the people in that nation want to carry on.

00:54:23.860 We've been here since, it's named after us.

00:54:25.720 We've been here since before Athelstan.

00:54:27.380 I think if we don't exist, no one does. 1.00

00:54:30.120 The Maori don't. 1.00

00:54:31.460 So I say you let the Maori have their thing, 0.96

00:54:33.140 let Jewish people have their land, let, you know.

00:54:35.820 That's how about it.

00:54:36.720 Them saying that their situation is different and special

00:54:40.680 is just a product of ethno-narcissism,

00:54:42.800 that they think they're special people and we're worth less.

00:54:46.660 And Alistair can never recognize that actually the British people could be put into a precarious position where this kind of interest, it becomes primary in the political sphere that we operate in.

00:54:58.820 Precisely.

00:54:59.300 He just doesn't accept this could ever be the case.

00:55:01.800 I mean, like he says in this one, right?

00:55:03.440 Again, he's been saying, he's been talking about this for a long time.

00:55:06.640 Jews are being pressurized across the West to disavow Israel, something that no other group would be asked to do in relation to any other country.

00:55:14.640 It's like, sorry, are you mad? 0.66

00:55:15.680 it is currently state policy to teach the british empire and britain was a bad thing that britain is 0.99

00:55:21.040 a racist white supremacist thanks conservatives by the way a racist racist white supremacist 0.65

00:55:25.540 country and everything we did in the past was bad also he's done it himself to charlie right 0.98

00:55:31.700 and rupert by saying we're sticking up for our own people in our own country and he's saying no no

00:55:37.860 you can't do that you've got to you know you've got to be disavowed he's the one doing the

00:55:42.380 disavowing he's literally at one point that's always puzzled me the the more that britain 0.97

00:55:48.280 resembles how it has been the safer it is for british jewish jewish people i mean who's causing

00:55:54.780 the problems for british jews why do they feel under threat because of immigration and because

00:55:58.220 of the far left so you're not allowed to insinuate that muslims aren't british it's just for some

00:56:04.260 reason there's a subset of british people that just keep attacking synagogues and jewish ambulances

00:56:08.500 i just find it strange when i mean i suppose heath is on the center right but when you attack the

00:56:12.600 right it's like you're protected by people like us basically you're protected by you know we're

00:56:19.460 jewish people safer when britain was more how it was in recent years you know until very back to

00:56:24.360 the 90s yeah jewish people say they were safer they weren't these things weren't happening so

00:56:28.080 that's why i don't quite understand it's like but i suppose what they feel is that this is going to

00:56:32.400 end up in some sort of european mid 20th century nationalism but it's just it's just not like that

00:56:37.740 it's actually you're going to be much safer to back conservatives

00:56:41.720 who want the country to remain how it was, surely. 0.89

00:56:45.340 Except for the kosher thing. 1.00

00:56:47.800 Sorry, I can understand. 0.87

00:56:49.160 If he thinks Rupert going after kosher is some sort of attack on Jewish people, 0.99

00:56:53.440 then maybe.

00:56:53.840 Sure, but that's a side issue that he's not focused on.

00:56:56.580 He's more concerned about you're not allowed to argue for demographic security.

00:57:00.540 But, I mean, he's, again, we'll carry on, right?

00:57:03.480 Another article, this one was from, what was it, 2017, right?

00:57:07.740 uh oh no sorry it wasn't no it's 2026 right so this was just a month or so ago um where he says 0.83

00:57:13.780 well i mean what happens when you become a minority in your own country well nothing good

00:57:18.480 right he says from the river to the sea anti-zionists promulgate a one solution one state

00:57:23.520 solution whereby jews are disarmed and become a minority again the result would be the ethnic

00:57:29.100 cleansing at best and genocidal extermination at worst okay well why should we not expect that for

00:57:33.300 ourselves alistair well this is where i think rupert got it slightly didn't have his best day

00:57:37.660 in that interview where Nick Robertson said,

00:57:40.020 give us some examples of Islamification. 0.80

00:57:41.680 He could have said grooming gangs,

00:57:43.340 Batley Grammar School, Manchester Arena,

00:57:45.800 Manchester Arena allowed to go, went ahead

00:57:48.040 because the security guards worried about racism.

00:57:50.720 Yeah, there's many.

00:57:51.680 So you go, so what you would say to Heath

00:57:53.580 is very simply, look at what's happening already.

00:57:56.080 Look at the way we have two-tier system already.

00:57:58.680 Now imagine that magnified massively.

00:58:00.720 Now, of course, you might reach a situation 0.52

00:58:01.840 where white British are a minority. 0.99

00:58:03.800 So they're another competing minority group 1.00

00:58:05.420 and it's just a complete free-for-all 1.00

00:58:07.080 with some sort of centralized government failing to do anything.

00:58:10.000 But what I'm saying is our argument might even become more compelling

00:58:13.540 if there were lower numbers, because we're seen as dominant at the moment,

00:58:16.660 so we don't have to care about minorities. 0.75

00:58:18.940 But another way of looking at it is they already have this much influence

00:58:22.120 as preferential treatment.

00:58:23.220 That could only get worse, much in the way he's saying here.

00:58:25.960 Yeah.

00:58:26.500 But the point is, what happens when you become a minority in your own homeland?

00:58:29.800 Well, he thinks terrible things happen to you. 0.84

00:58:32.240 It's like, yeah, quite possibly.

00:58:33.540 um so if jewish people in israel have an absolute right to maintain their demographic security in 0.98

00:58:39.720 their country maintain their borders and it would be very very negative to become a minority in this 0.98

00:58:45.600 country why would that be any different to us why would we even want to take the risk even if you 1.00

00:58:50.300 can make an argument as to why it'd be different why why would we want any of that so you are a

00:58:54.780 nationalist for israel which is fine i would like just you know the same sort of policies for britain

00:59:00.580 which i think is also fine i don't think it's beyond the pale i don't think it's crazy i don't

00:59:05.180 think it's mad and the thing is if people don't like it they actually do have countries they can

00:59:08.980 go to i actually don't have an israel that i can go to i don't have a pakistan that i can go to

00:59:13.400 this is the only country that i have and i would like to keep it put simply

00:59:17.900 muslims or israeli as you and me or any other settler in the west bank 0.97

00:59:23.360 fair point um binary says if they succeed in killing off restore or if restore fails

00:59:31.900 what comes next will make charlie and rupert look like leftists by comparison yeah and this is what

00:59:36.180 i've been saying for a long time base tape says can we start mogging these right-wing commentators

00:59:40.060 by pointing out they're using the exact same logic as trans yeah i mean julia hartley brewer

00:59:43.720 literally is um pro-trans when it comes to that sort of thing um could we do a segment on trying

00:59:48.880 to understand how there's been how much has actually been accomplished by trump there's a

00:59:52.080 lot of noise in the American right and another perspective would be good. You know, I haven't

00:59:54.740 been following it closely, but I can certainly ask someone who has. Anyway, let's move on.

01:00:00.500 Okay. So I'm going to be talking about how we fix this mess. And by this mess, I mean the British

01:00:07.760 economy, which is no easy thing. And obviously on this podcast, we've talked a great deal about

01:00:13.580 all the different ways in which Britain is declining and getting worse. And myself,

01:00:19.340 uh harrison and rupert lowe have had a stab at fixing this along with the help of an economist

01:00:25.860 who did uh some of the numbers for us and uh this is it um this is uh restore britain's policy paper

01:00:33.440 called the wealth of our nation and this is our um outlining our economic philosophy so there's

01:00:39.980 much more it is it's meant to be a sort of bedrock in which other papers follow and have connective

01:00:45.800 tissue to but this gives you a rough impression of what we want to do to actually fix the country

01:00:50.440 and this has been a product of a lot of work and a lot of thoughts and I know that Rupert

01:00:57.700 was very enthusiastic to get this out and I had many long conversations with him and as did

01:01:04.220 Harrison trying to figure out exactly how we're going to go about this but I can assure you that

01:01:10.040 a lot of care has gone into it and Rupert does really care about the state of the economy

01:01:15.200 And I suppose what I'm going to read first is our sort of solutions, and then I'm going to go backwards to our diagnosis of the problem, because I think it's much easier to explain those things after the fact.

01:01:34.180 But just to give you a rough idea, our GDP per capita is, you know, our public debt is almost to that level now.

01:01:45.840 I think it's at about 95%.

01:01:47.860 So we've got a lot of debt.

01:01:49.420 Our services are getting worse. 0.95

01:01:51.600 It's very difficult for young people to get started in their careers or buy a house and start a family, which is a ticking demographic time bomb in and of itself. 0.99

01:02:00.660 As if we don't have enough of those.

01:02:03.140 Student loans are weighing down many people.

01:02:07.200 They take a large chunk out of people's salaries,

01:02:09.520 and there's levels of interest capped at 6%.

01:02:11.900 And I was able to figure out that actually,

01:02:14.620 unless you're earning over £61,800 a year,

01:02:19.060 you're only covering the interest on your student loans,

01:02:22.880 which is only 1 in 10 people in the UK are earning above that threshold,

01:02:27.000 and that's going to be heavily weighted to people later in their careers.

01:02:29.980 there's actually a great article in islander six from professor michael hudson who talks about look

01:02:35.580 the way things are we're gonna have to have some sort of debt forgiveness jubilee like they used

01:02:40.720 to in ancient mesopotamia and uh ancient greece that takes us on quite nicely yeah i can even

01:02:46.280 find the magazine behind my laptop um islander magazine you should buy it it's uh all sorts of

01:02:52.200 insightful things like that article you just mentioned like i read this article with michael

01:02:57.140 hudson i was just like i'd never even thought about it this way basically this is kind of the

01:03:00.900 right-wing solution which is essentially debt forgiveness because if you think about like who

01:03:04.920 the student loans are a particularly great example right student loans are just loans that you take

01:03:08.740 out and the student loan company is owned by the government so it's like right so you're just in

01:03:12.600 debt to the government at a six percent interest rate so unless you're earning really well in

01:03:16.900 britain which almost no one is you're never paying this off well it's basically a graduate tax in

01:03:22.380 in name only right exactly and so presented to you or it used to be is like a very low interest

01:03:27.500 loan it's not actually that low over time and it's gone up well they've had to introduce caps

01:03:32.180 because of how much inflation there's been um and and so it's difficult to keep up because and also

01:03:38.400 like the the lack of wage growth in britain compared to everything else um compared to

01:03:43.060 inflation all this sort of stuff so it's like it's genuinely at some point we will want to think

01:03:48.200 about just mass student loan forgiveness because it's just a debt owned to the government like

01:03:52.360 it's not owed to like some private entity or something yeah there's also a myth that it sort

01:03:56.700 of it wipes at a certain point we look and it's like when you're 60 or something yeah yeah it's

01:04:01.140 it wipes for your end you know once you've finished your working life yeah so yeah okay great

01:04:05.920 you know but anyway so i'm going to start by just um reading some of it if you'll humor me and then

01:04:11.700 i'll explain the thinking behind it so um we criticized the bank of england's post 1997

01:04:17.080 27 independents. Thank you, Tony. And subsequent record, particularly the quantitative easing

01:04:22.380 program, which if you're not familiar, means printing more money, which is a tax by other

01:04:28.300 means, basically. Stealing from people who...

01:04:31.240 This is what causes inflation.

01:04:32.540 It is, yeah. Of course it is. That fuelled asset inflation, as we say, intergenerational

01:04:38.740 unfairness in housing and the post-COVID inflation peak of 11.1%, which is insane.

01:04:45.860 in a single year yeah it's unbelievable that compounds on like the you know eight nine ten

01:04:52.160 eleven eight nine ten you know like on the other side while maintaining our unequivocal commitment

01:04:57.280 in price stability as currently defined our proposals include nominating new members

01:05:01.960 of the monetary policy committee who are committed to stability so that means not infinite money

01:05:07.680 printing um requiring explicit authorization from the chancellor of the exchequer for any

01:05:13.860 monetary expansion so that brings the bank of england under some degree of political control

01:05:18.920 um but only in so much as no you can't print more money yeah i mean at the moment there's

01:05:24.620 no accountability for the bank of england as liz trust discovered to her chagrin what's odd is i've

01:05:29.200 spoken to people at the bank of england who didn't understand the quantitative easing policy

01:05:32.580 so i'm yet to it's way beyond my pay grade but i've yet to understand what they were up to there

01:05:36.940 and also the bank of england wasn't it the bank of england can make really um outlandish predictions

01:05:43.460 about things like they said that there would be deflation coming out of lockdown and of course

01:05:49.160 where was it yeah it was the complete opposite why would you think that they're independent but

01:05:54.780 as with many independent things that just means beyond accountability and in my opinion um having

01:06:01.920 more restrictions on this oh yeah through politics is the way you you solve this i mean what you want

01:06:07.980 ideally is a specific minister who is directly the person the bank is accountable to who's

01:06:13.440 who we can replace if we don't like them.

01:06:16.380 Chancellor of the Exchequer.

01:06:17.880 Historically, it was the Chancellor of the Exchequer.

01:06:20.000 Whoever it is, it doesn't really matter who the minister is.

01:06:22.640 As long as, if there's a government that has Rachel Reeves in charge,

01:06:26.320 we could at least, come the election, change that.

01:06:29.960 But at the moment, there's just nothing you can do

01:06:31.900 to affect the Bank of England's policy.

01:06:33.840 It's sort of strange that New Labour wanted to outsource 0.95

01:06:36.500 so many things to quangos and other bodies.

01:06:38.500 It's like, isn't this going to affect you at some point?

01:06:40.760 And now you find that Keir Starmer complained

01:06:42.720 that the levers didn't do anything but remember the point is to actually make the system essentially

01:06:48.100 autonomous yeah liberate it from then future labor governments are frustrated by it as well

01:06:52.940 don't worry we we take uh both barrels to the quangos um so um full fiscal policy uh we have

01:07:01.140 written fiscal stability constitutes the cornerstone of our approach balancing the budget and gradually

01:07:05.860 reducing the debt to gdp ratio because of course at the minute one pound of every 10 pounds spent by

01:07:11.920 the government is spent on servicing our interest on our debt not even the debt itself and if you're

01:07:18.520 running that in your own household you think okay i'm in a lot of student loan yeah it'd be like

01:07:23.640 i've had girlfriends like that be like it's like a red flag it's like you're so you're trying to

01:07:27.980 pay the debt on your credit cards it's a nightmare well that's what we're like as a country we're

01:07:32.300 like a mad shopping addicted person who just got paying 27 on their credit card you see the other

01:07:37.840 day that we're borrowing four thousand pounds a second yep really it's yeah right when you say

01:07:43.040 like that it's oh the only positive william cluson said to me is that we have low corporate and

01:07:47.740 household debt which apparently is an opportunity that we have because actually corporations have

01:07:53.000 got low debt because like hang on we've got all this money and there's a different standard for

01:07:56.480 corporations if we applied the standards for corporations to ourselves then the government

01:08:02.740 would be breaking its own laws multiple times over just on the debt alone. We don't have public

01:08:09.080 sector pensions on the balance sheet of our public debt. So that is another at least couple of

01:08:16.600 trillion. I think it's between 1.6 to 2.2. But Rupert said to me, because he's on the

01:08:21.580 accounts committee, that it could be as much as three to 5.5 trillion in public sector pensions,

01:08:30.580 which would basically double our national debt if not more.

01:08:34.700 And have a store come out and said they would scrap the triple lock?

01:08:37.220 Yes, we have. We'll get to that, don't we?

01:08:38.980 Oh, okay, sorry.

01:08:40.660 You've got 64 pages, you better pick up the pace.

01:08:43.560 I'm not going through all of them, don't worry.

01:08:45.320 It's a whistle-stop tour, but, you know, as Rupert likes saying,

01:08:48.600 read the paper.

01:08:50.540 You've actually read it, Nick.

01:08:52.720 Sorry, carry on.

01:08:54.320 We aim to claw back as much of the $300 billion in excess post-2019,

01:08:59.280 that you've got Boris to thank for that, spending through incremental fully funded adjustments.

01:09:03.460 So the idea is we incrementally adjust things. And as we make cuts, over time, we will then

01:09:09.860 recycle the money into funding tax cuts. That's the idea. So that we're just returning things

01:09:16.760 back to the taxpayer, rather than swallowing up a larger and larger slice of the economy.

01:09:22.580 We estimate total savings of around 178 billion by the end of the first parliament,

01:09:27.680 um approximately two-thirds of the post-2019 excess um because of course it takes time to

01:09:34.400 undo it you know this excess spending i think when when blair was in power in 97 the government was

01:09:41.280 what about 33 35 percent of the economy now it's 45 if not more yeah so even if you only got half

01:09:48.620 that like you know 85 billion or whatever it is like 90 billion you know that'd be amazing

01:09:53.260 yeah it's still worth it no matter how much you're clawing back right um so that's equivalent

01:09:58.620 to about 35 billion per annum compound or about three percent of the budget annually our guiding

01:10:04.320 principles as shall be seen in due course are fiscal fairness fiscal pragmatism fiscal

01:10:09.580 responsibility and fiscal accountability it's important to get that in there because our

01:10:14.720 main argument here is that we're going to try and in restore mainly intergenerational fairness 0.62

01:10:20.940 because we're trying to unshoulder the burden of the working population here.

01:10:26.300 Because at the minute, both people who have pensions and people on benefits

01:10:30.480 are isolated from some of the tumult of the economy.

01:10:36.280 And it's normally the backs of the working people that have to shoulder this.

01:10:39.440 And it's not really fair that one people who are getting a free ride

01:10:44.580 in the welfare system are isolated from the economic conditions.

01:10:48.700 um as as we talk about here yeah because they can still vote yeah this is just in case anyone

01:10:54.760 was wondering if you can vote but the consequences of your votes never apply to you

01:10:59.220 you can see how this would go wrong given our belief in the pressing need for intergenerational

01:11:05.660 fairness we will secure the state pension but end the triple lock linking it instead to cpi

01:11:10.220 which um a big fuss was made in the mainstream media about this cpi just um so it's it's basically

01:11:16.940 locking it to interest so the triple lock there are multiple different ways um in which um you

01:11:23.320 you track pension or or sort of bind interest rate is it yeah right okay well i don't know i'm

01:11:28.800 not an economist sorry i don't know i've been embroiled in this for so long i forget um so

01:11:34.880 anyway it carries on to say um as for how pensions operate sorry computer consumer price inflation

01:11:40.380 Yeah, yeah. As for how pensions operate, we would again pursue fairness by bringing our overly generous public sector schemes in line with those available in the private sector. So that's targeting all those civil servants who have these very lucrative pension packets, and they're not representative of how the private sector's pensions have grown, even though it is the private sector that's paying for them.

01:12:08.460 so we had freeze working age benefits at 25 26 levels for the duration of the parliament and

01:12:14.560 restrict all working age benefits to british citizens only with no access for temporary

01:12:18.900 visa holders those with indefinite leave to remain or illegal migrants we estimate saving 70 to 80

01:12:24.420 billion per annum so per year for the full range um of working age benefits by the end of the first

01:12:30.740 parliament so great the philosophy here is that um the tax thresholds have been frozen since 2022

01:12:37.940 So why have not the benefits thresholds been frozen as well?

01:12:43.100 Because if we're not bringing in any more tax, how can we pay out more?

01:12:46.460 Which is why we're paying out more in benefits than we take in income tax at this point.

01:12:52.380 For anyone who doesn't know, the British government spends 45p out of every pound that is made in this country.

01:12:58.660 It's actually kind of mad. 0.94

01:12:59.980 the quangos right they spend something like 600 billion pounds a year which is about half of the

01:13:07.860 government's currently higher budget currently some 438 bodies spend 376 to 391 billion yeah

01:13:16.480 well that's an estimate right but there are extra costs that can be estimated higher i've seen

01:13:22.460 estimates all over the shop but like it's it's about something like third to half of the entire

01:13:26.640 government budget is spent on these arm's length bodies that have no oversight again no oversight

01:13:31.720 whatsoever so you've no idea like ah it's insane we're going to freeze their budgets which will

01:13:37.400 save about eight billion per year or around 40 to 45 billion by the end of the first parliament

01:13:42.940 review all of the bodies for abolition scaling back or full ministerial oversight yeah so i i

01:13:49.400 mean i doubtless a bunch of them will i mean with 400 plus of them get need abolishing a bunch of

01:13:54.900 The system will just need to be brought back into government control,

01:13:58.560 which, again, the entire Blairite system is just evil.

01:14:02.040 So on health care, the National Health Service will remain free

01:14:04.840 at the point of use for citizens and non-citizens.

01:14:07.440 We'll be charged at market rates.

01:14:09.340 This is what Australia does, by the way.

01:14:10.960 Yeah, and Rupert was quite insistent on having the specification

01:14:15.360 that they're charged at the point of use,

01:14:17.420 because the NHS is really bad at chasing people up.

01:14:20.260 Yeah, they've got no inclination to do so.

01:14:21.800 and private health care costs will become tax deductible

01:14:24.920 a measure we expect to prove

01:14:26.900 fiscally positive through reducing

01:14:28.800 NHS demand we estimate a net

01:14:30.860 annual benefit of 20 billion

01:14:32.840 how does that work

01:14:34.140 that sounds good to me because I'm such a hypochondriac

01:14:36.800 I constantly use private health

01:14:38.700 I've got private health because I had insurance at

01:14:40.780 GBDs and I got used to it and I don't want to

01:14:42.700 I don't want to burn the NHS although

01:14:44.400 people say it doesn't make sense because they use the same machines

01:14:46.720 but anyway how does it work the tax

01:14:48.660 deductible private health

01:14:50.360 because that was praised on GB News

01:14:51.980 I saw in a clip as well

01:14:53.020 anything you spend on private healthcare

01:14:54.700 is a business expense

01:14:55.940 right and you can just bill it

01:14:56.940 at the end of the tax year

01:14:58.240 we go into it in the dedicated section

01:15:01.080 in more detail

01:15:02.200 but for the sake of brevity

01:15:03.860 I'm probably not bored

01:15:04.820 no no

01:15:05.040 that's a great idea

01:15:06.620 I'm on board with it

01:15:07.580 there's a similar sort of thing

01:15:09.360 with education as well

01:15:10.700 state education will remain free

01:15:12.280 with schools operating independently

01:15:13.840 at the institutional level

01:15:15.320 private school fees becoming taxed

01:15:17.140 that would be amazing

01:15:18.020 that would be amazing

01:15:19.200 that's all i spend my money on is my kids education it's the most admirable thing you

01:15:23.400 could probably spend your money that's why i do it yeah like my dad was born in a caravan

01:15:27.620 and now his grandchildren go to private schools you know so it's like you know that's inspirational

01:15:32.300 isn't it um but yes um private school fees will become tax deductible and education will be exempt

01:15:37.580 from vat we estimate an annual contribution of 10 billion so on energy we we've already had an

01:15:43.960 energy paper out but just to mention we will end net zero related public expenditures saving

01:15:50.880 approximately 15 to 20 billion annually and that is a very very conservative estimate it's probably

01:15:56.340 going to be in the orders of about 80 billion in reality god only knows what milliband was spending

01:16:01.420 but um yeah most of the estimates here for savings are going to be um a lot more conservative um and

01:16:08.820 And so we wanted to make sure we're using the government's own data and we're taking things at face value.

01:16:15.180 But the real situation, I think, would actually be able to save a lot more and do a lot more with it more quickly than there's paper outlines.

01:16:22.540 But we wanted to be as realistic as possible, I suppose.

01:16:25.660 I heard Andrew Neil quote $9 billion or something like that on net zero. Where's the $20 billion plus coming from then?

01:16:32.040 Well, I mean, there's an inordinate amount being done with net zero.

01:16:35.480 There's obviously the subsidies and then there's the regulation and the missed opportunity costs there and all sorts of things that are being spent on it.

01:16:43.580 I mean, the paper to look at is the energy paper for that one, which was more Harrison's thing than mine.

01:16:49.400 It was written before I joined.

01:16:51.580 Basically, it's drill, baby, drill and get rid of wind farms.

01:16:54.680 I'm guessing.

01:16:55.920 It is, yeah.

01:16:57.360 Trump's not wrong about this stuff, right?

01:16:59.340 He's a businessman.

01:17:02.240 Kind of sells them, they don't use them.

01:17:03.480 I thought that was a brilliant line.

01:17:05.480 Well, I mean, we've got all of that oil in the North Sea.

01:17:08.760 Norway has a sovereign wealth fund that's worth about $2 trillion,

01:17:12.580 and they fund their public pensions and everything through that.

01:17:15.800 Why shouldn't we do the same?

01:17:17.040 Yes, madness. 0.87

01:17:18.140 And then budget freeze will freeze most departments' budgets,

01:17:20.960 excluding defence health and debt interests,

01:17:23.420 for three years generating a further savings of $3 billion to $4 billion.

01:17:27.260 So, yes, we've also got tax proposals here.

01:17:31.780 So, before assuming any growth multiplier,

01:17:33.900 Tax cuts of approximately $155 billion per annum are proposed, which is quite a lot.

01:17:39.340 They'll be matched to spending savings and introduced only when fully funded with the ambition of reducing the overall tax burden.

01:17:46.440 Our emphasis is on simplicity, so there are lots of silly little taxes that we're abolishing.

01:17:51.460 Fairness, transparency and predictability and growth.

01:17:54.360 So income tax will raise the personal allowance to £16,000, so that's the amount you can earn before tax is applied.

01:18:02.120 we always talk about doing this but it never happens even reform seem to put it on the back

01:18:05.800 burner isn't it like 12 000 pounds at the moment it's about 12 and a half at the minute so that's

01:18:10.600 a significant increase and that benefits everyone who pays taxes and extend the basic rate ban to

01:18:16.460 100 000 see that's good because yeah we're so out of line with say america on that it's unbelievable

01:18:22.020 yeah they get they can earn so much before getting done on income tax and we can get like 40 000

01:18:26.920 then it's like destroy and ironically this is more of the sort of like you know weirdly you're

01:18:31.720 kind of moving into the left's territory of tax the rich here as well because what this is doing

01:18:35.960 is relieving a bunch of taxes on people who are not particularly rich well it's yeah but the left

01:18:40.860 thinks they are rich the left would oh yes yeah anyone earning like 40 grand the people in the

01:18:45.600 middle of the country the middle class uh and and working class people who earn a good wage

01:18:50.420 are getting squeezed from both sides oh yeah it's awful and and relenting some of that pressure is

01:18:55.620 how you get the growth that has basically been squeezed out of the country we have no growth

01:19:00.200 which is insane because we've got all of this technology

01:19:03.160 and it's just a mathematical truth

01:19:05.200 that the more of something you have

01:19:07.600 be it money or whatever

01:19:08.680 the more rapidly it can grow

01:19:11.520 so there's all this missed potential here

01:19:14.100 unless the government is literally squeezing you like a lemon

01:19:16.700 I hate it so much

01:19:19.220 but the changes to income tax will cost about 49 billion

01:19:22.480 which of course we've costed in other things

01:19:25.400 corporation tax would introduce a zero rate

01:19:27.440 for the first 50,000 pounds of profits

01:19:29.940 thereby removing approximately 95% of companies from the regime,

01:19:34.380 restoring the 19% rate above that threshold with an aspiration of 15%,

01:19:40.860 which would make us very competitive in the rest of Europe.

01:19:44.440 Ireland's still 12.5%.

01:19:45.880 I know, but we've got lots of things that Ireland doesn't have. 0.55

01:19:48.760 That's true.

01:19:49.440 So we can charge a little bit more and still be quite attractive.

01:19:53.700 And phase out various sector-specific levies, estimated at costing 41 billion.

01:19:58.140 That'll be the price of fuel then.

01:19:59.940 price of fuel yeah i imagine they've got sector specific levies on on fuel duties and stuff like

01:20:05.700 that um i i would presume i don't know we'll need to drill into the weeds of that one i mean that

01:20:12.620 was calculated by the economist so it's a bit above my uh pay grade there but um the important

01:20:18.180 thing here is that this is a way of liberating small businesses from yes taxes whilst also

01:20:25.980 making corporations pay their share at the same time so the massive corporations who make millions

01:20:32.260 and billions of profits they still have to pay tax the little like corner shop or the um the you 0.95

01:20:37.800 know the uh the the little the woman who's running her own little nail salon and stuff like that 0.99

01:20:41.960 she's probably fine yeah and so the the idea is that hopefully this will start regenerating the

01:20:47.520 british high street in a way um because it will at least mean that the meager profits they do make

01:20:54.100 aren't taxed into oblivion and reduced down to, you know, below the running cost of the business.

01:20:59.800 There's literally no reason not to do this either. Because if they grow into big businesses,

01:21:04.880 great, then they pay taxes. This will make a lot of people happy. Abolish small taxes,

01:21:09.100 abolish stamp duty in all its forms, approximately 18 billion. Inheritance tax,

01:21:14.880 approximately 9 billion. Insurance premium tax, approximately 9 billion. Air passenger duty,

01:21:20.080 approximately 4 billion and emissions trading scheme approximately 3 billion and the climate

01:21:25.500 change levy which is 1 to 2 billion so this is in part to simplify the tax system and having all

01:21:31.760 these small little taxes just makes it more difficult to navigate the tax system and makes

01:21:39.300 people have to rely on lawyers more and more which is an additional expense to most people

01:21:44.180 and businesses as well as the fact is accountants and now they're making it four times a year

01:21:48.600 They want to absolutely screw you with the paperwork. 0.99

01:21:51.660 Disgusting. 0.97

01:21:52.800 And, yeah, now people will be able to buy and sell houses without stamp duty. 0.63

01:21:58.840 They'll be able to pass on their money to the next generation.

01:22:01.700 So you're not constantly squeezing families of their money.

01:22:05.540 That's criminal.

01:22:06.340 That's just full-on communism, inheritance tax.

01:22:08.540 I agree, yeah.

01:22:09.300 It's one of the most vile taxes going, and I hate taxes.

01:22:12.460 I stand to inherit nothing, and I just morally find it abominable.

01:22:16.660 Stealing from the dead and grieving, isn't it?

01:22:19.020 I worked my entire life.

01:22:20.700 I paid all these taxes.

01:22:22.180 And after the pennies I got, I saved and I bought a house.

01:22:26.300 And the government's like, yeah, now you're dead.

01:22:27.920 I want some of it.

01:22:28.600 It's like, no, you've already.

01:22:29.740 Yeah, and if you've paid off the mortgage, you've bought it.

01:22:31.620 It's just like, it's criminal.

01:22:33.080 Yeah, it's absolutely criminal.

01:22:34.300 I hate it.

01:22:34.640 So we're also going to raise the annual allowance substantially

01:22:37.320 for capital gains tax to $20,000 to $40,000,

01:22:41.900 which is estimated to cost just $0.7 billion.

01:22:44.820 but that's good it means that people can beat inflation if they wish then vat reduce the

01:22:50.220 standard rate to 18 and raise the registration threshold to 150 000 which is a combined costed

01:22:57.700 estimate of around 22 2010 22 billion i i find myself incredibly sympathetic to like the austrian

01:23:04.060 school of economics and so yeah on paper it'll be like yeah this will cost this much it'll cost

01:23:08.720 this much but what you're not and you can't really account for is what the economy will become when

01:23:13.880 all of the things holding it down are suddenly alleviated yes well you forgo short-term taxes

01:23:20.700 for long-term exactly a general growth in the economy that pays more taxes overall but one

01:23:25.200 final thing i did want to uh read um because a lot of this sounds very um austrian as you say

01:23:31.360 very free market and and so do i i mean i've read a lot of these economists to death and know it all

01:23:37.640 inside out but one thing i wanted to alleviate because um there are things um to do with are we

01:23:43.800 a globalist economy no no we're not um and if you'll humor me doing a bit more reading i'm sorry

01:23:50.280 um just these two paragraphs and then i'll wrap up we believe that the free market um um is the

01:23:56.520 most effective mechanism ever discovered for maximizing the wealth of nations insofar as they

01:24:01.260 generate wealth free markets are therefore instruments to national flourishing which

01:24:05.720 given the economic data to support it impossible to argue against but a nation is first and

01:24:11.660 foremost a home, not a business. There are times when it is vital to put matters of national

01:24:15.860 security and self-sufficiency above purely profit-seeking considerations, especially when

01:24:21.080 it means ensuring the survival of our nation and her people. So there are lots of areas,

01:24:26.740 and we're working on bits and pieces to do with this. We import 90% of the things that we use to

01:24:33.680 make our weapons from China. 95% of our fertilizer comes from Ukraine and Russia.

01:24:39.080 The companies, the bloody water suppliers, the trains.

01:24:41.920 Steel is another one.

01:24:42.920 Steel?

01:24:43.660 Yeah.

01:24:43.940 There are loads of things that are actually kind of mission critical 1.00

01:24:46.440 that are currently owned by foreigners. 1.00

01:24:49.100 Why do we allow this? 1.00

01:24:50.580 I initially wrote in a section all about these sorts of things,

01:24:55.200 but we thought it was best left to another paper specializing on it.

01:24:58.960 But we've mentioned...

01:25:00.740 We've talked about it, Glenn.

01:25:01.480 Yeah, yeah.

01:25:03.400 So it carries on to say,

01:25:04.500 Nor would we hesitate where necessary for the retention of critical supplies

01:25:07.580 like food, energy, and medicine.

01:25:09.080 to pass new laws and invoke existing ones

01:25:11.280 to strengthen our resilience as a self-sufficient nation

01:25:14.180 amid intensifying global volatility.

01:25:17.480 And that's one thing that we're not hearing enough,

01:25:19.720 is self-sufficiency.

01:25:21.140 When was the last time we heard a politician say

01:25:23.700 anything about that, never?

01:25:25.540 Well, there was some brief chat during COVID

01:25:27.580 because of supply lines,

01:25:28.640 and it all went away again as soon as that went.

01:25:31.100 So it was just for that one niche thing, though.

01:25:33.140 So final paragraph,

01:25:34.020 a restored Britain government would not only consider

01:25:36.060 the implications of our economic policy

01:25:38.120 on national security but also their impact upon society no modern society thrives without strong

01:25:43.620 families and cohesive communities trusted to govern themselves engage in free enterprise

01:25:48.180 and pursue the natural rewards of hard work confidence in the enduring nature of these

01:25:53.240 arrangements is thus essential there are many factors that build such confidence but the core

01:25:57.700 ones are social order the rule of law the absence of arbitrary and unpredictable raids on livelihoods

01:26:03.600 reasonable taxes in exchange for accountable government and modest regulations

01:26:07.720 which is a completely reasonable i agree because i wrote that completely the antithesis of what

01:26:13.660 labor want but completely reasonable so yes i suppose um after outlining the plan we want

01:26:20.360 to liberate you from paying as much tax remove a lot of the regulation um which we will uh be

01:26:27.180 talking about in time but also we're not naive to the fact that if you're completely free and open

01:26:33.420 as a market that leaves you vulnerable in terms of national security to being taken advantage of

01:26:39.540 foreign countries exactly and you've got to be aware of that you've got to identify the key

01:26:44.040 industries yeah and um actually there was an act passed in in 2021 that already gives us the power

01:26:50.020 to intervene in these um it's just about applying it um with a firmer hand i think so you know we're

01:26:58.180 restore britain to get into the government that is what you would expect it's all good stuff

01:27:03.340 Right, do we have any video comments today, Samson?

01:27:06.180 Dirty Belt says,

01:27:07.420 I don't want to be divisive. 1.00

01:27:08.680 I want to be divided from the foreign hordes. 1.00

01:27:10.780 Yeah, I mean, that's just not too much to ask. 1.00

01:27:13.800 Jack says,

01:27:14.520 I see on Twitter that Oldspeak Bookshop

01:27:16.100 is closing its doors and in need of new premises.

01:27:18.640 Of all the things the left hate,

01:27:20.040 they hate the truth the most.

01:27:20.940 I didn't know, but that's terrible.

01:27:22.700 That is very sad.

01:27:23.600 I just bought a book from them as well.

01:27:27.380 EconomicZone17 says,

01:27:28.360 If only Dominic Cummings had got a proper chance

01:27:30.020 to take on the civil service,

01:27:31.360 he's supposed to be a political genius but didn't realize the tories can't be trusted

01:27:34.460 well yeah yeah uh mermidon says all i'm hearing is cummings waffling on about how this is the

01:27:40.640 fault of everyone else they should have listened to him as if he has no accountability for the

01:27:43.720 state of the nation well it's not that he's blameless but i do enjoy listening to him

01:27:48.200 giving everyone a good thrashing uh let's do the first video comment

01:27:51.920 I don't know.

01:28:21.920 i do enjoy watching giant machines doing stuff and tiny ones that look like them

01:28:28.300 i think um it scratches a very male itch it does yeah yeah is there another one something

01:28:35.260 is that it okay um that's random name says we can hate farage all we like for being an

01:28:43.480 inauthentic treacherous worm we actually should be thankful to him if not for him

01:28:47.440 we wouldn't have restore in a roundabout way he may have redeemed himself ever so slightly

01:28:51.820 Well, yeah, I guess.

01:28:54.760 Felix Pakatum.

01:28:55.920 It's the old idea that God brings good things from misfortunes.

01:29:00.320 I suppose, yeah.

01:29:02.160 Kevin says, I lived and worked and paid taxes in China for six years,

01:29:06.160 in Thailand for seven years, but I'm neither Chinese nor Thai. 1.00

01:29:09.040 Meanwhile, Ahmed and Mbongo can arrive in the UK, not work, 0.96

01:29:11.860 and live on benefits, and after five years get ILR and be classed as British. 1.00

01:29:17.480 Yeah, right, I guess China and Thailand aren't blessed 0.96

01:29:19.160 with the magic soil that we have in the UK.

01:29:21.180 That's exactly, exactly what

01:29:23.020 Alistair Heath thinks. It's just mental.

01:29:25.340 Absolutely mental.

01:29:28.200 Michael says,

01:29:29.160 and this is why, regarding your one,

01:29:31.120 the US uses a public-private model for healthcare.

01:29:33.160 When the NHS was formed, the basis of English morality

01:29:35.160 held to the idea that being a leech was bad.

01:29:37.680 In the US, we're close to 30% 0.92

01:29:38.900 parasite, so an NHS in the US

01:29:41.160 won't work, and that's why England is now having

01:29:43.000 problems. Yes, and it's

01:29:45.200 insufferable when they're like, oh, well, you know, foreign 1.00

01:29:47.060 people aren't allowed to use the NHS. Well, I'm sure 1.00

01:29:49.040 they don't then you know i'm sure they don't i mean there's no checks there's nothing no they

01:29:54.120 don't record the numbers they don't do anything i've looked into it it's absolutely insufferable

01:29:58.980 tom says i would like to point out that a lot of these student loans shouldn't exist in the

01:30:02.560 first place considering a great number of them go towards junk degrees with no economic outlook

01:30:06.300 if you're going to have debt forgiveness you're going to need better control over who gets loans

01:30:10.340 grants and for what in the first place uh yes but i mean you would do a debt forgiveness when you

01:30:14.440 rehaul the entire system to be honest with you i don't know man i wouldn't even mind if it was

01:30:19.980 like you've got a you've got like a panel of people you have to persuade as to why i should

01:30:24.040 go to university and they give you a government grant like i'm i'm honestly not adverse to this

01:30:29.340 at all your debt gets written off dependent on your performance maybe that honestly honestly

01:30:34.600 maybe i'm saying it's a joke but could be worse yeah i mean it's certainly better than what we

01:30:39.540 have now maybe not necessarily performance but like attendance or something like that right but

01:30:43.240 anyway we're out of time so uh thanks for joining us folks and we will see you in half an hour for

01:30:47.560 lads hour where josh is going to be showing us all up with how smart he is

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - August 07, 2026

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1479

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