The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1487

00:00:00.000 hello and welcome to podcast of the lotus eaters it is episode 1487 and it is wednesday 19th of

00:00:08.100 august 2026 i'm joined by harry hello and connor hello dan you're dressed like hank scorpio

00:00:14.500 who's hank scorpio have you not seen the simpsons episode where he's basically the cool bond villain

00:00:19.600 that's you know the one where he well if homer works for the villain with the flame thrower he

00:00:23.780 has his own theme song except he's the nicest guy ever well he almost is exactly me then isn't he

00:00:29.380 brilliant okay i didn't know that but uh maybe they based it off me uh today we're going to be

00:00:34.040 discussing um some of my brilliantly incisive thoughts about reform um apparently uh was it

00:00:40.820 no uh rick vikram dick dickwad is is not having a nice time in jail or something i actually know

00:00:46.620 he's living a wonderful time at all expense oh i see okay and um harry does brain rot i'm not

00:00:53.440 insulting you there i think that's no that's fine that's that's absolutely fine i'm going to pretend

00:00:57.320 to be an NPC for 20 minutes

00:00:59.420 and answer all of your NPC requests.

00:01:01.480 Have you heard of I.O.?

00:01:02.800 Buy Azura, buy Azura, buy Azura.

00:01:07.840 So I thought we'd have a look at,

00:01:09.380 you've probably seen it,

00:01:10.740 but have you all seen the Farage Frest?

00:01:12.980 I have.

00:01:14.360 I won't put the sound on, but...

00:01:16.760 Oh, no, the sound is on.

00:01:19.440 There we go.

00:01:20.240 I figured out the sound button.

00:01:22.400 But, yeah, the reason I just thought

00:01:23.980 I'd talk over the top of this video...

00:01:25.880 Because it's an AI slop song?

00:01:27.320 Well, it's that.

00:01:28.480 Wait, summer sun, going down, come and join the queues.

00:01:33.040 Festivals jumping, everybody enjoy the booze.

00:01:37.100 Yeah, I think what I'm mainly thrusting at here is that I'm a bit concerned...

00:01:40.680 I'm far more fascinated in this shit.

00:01:43.400 Well, you can't have the music because I'm talking and that's far more interesting than the music.

00:01:47.100 No, what I'm actually interested in is how reform is sort of ideologically narrowing

00:01:53.200 to basically the bandwidth of about one man.

00:01:57.320 that's kind of go because they've already purged their right well it wasn't okay i'm not sure i

00:02:03.740 quite agree but wasn't that always the accusation anyway yes that it's just farage's like yeah like

00:02:09.780 personal thing so it's not it's not necessarily narrowing in that instance it's just was keeping

00:02:14.460 it narrow then okay yeah whichever way they're just making they're just making the usp more

00:02:20.120 obvious yes um i mean i what i'm sort of getting to is you know the the conversation around tim

00:02:27.080 Who's that?

00:02:28.040 That's you.

00:02:28.640 Oh, yeah, okay.

00:02:29.600 Tim Montgomery, who is very much on the left of reform.

00:02:33.920 And we all kind of commented on this.

00:02:35.900 I mean, you put out a video on this yesterday.

00:02:39.520 I did a video recorded in the morning.

00:02:42.540 Have they edited Zia's face?

00:02:45.380 Yes, they have.

00:02:46.220 It's pretty unflattering.

00:02:46.860 I was going to say, wait a second.

00:02:50.180 So I did a video on this because basically, you know,

00:02:53.240 now that rupert's left zia represents the right wing of reform and tim stanley was no not tim

00:03:01.160 stanley uh he's another tim montgomery came though he did have a conversation with tim stanley

00:03:05.340 yesterday which you may be thinking of yes yeah i am actually i've got that in the same one actually

00:03:09.420 now you've reminded me um but no essentially the issue is that um he came in and he's trying to

00:03:14.300 say well why don't we just make reform exactly like the tories except the wet version of the

00:03:19.820 tories so a little bit of context for those who aren't terminally westminster and don't know who

00:03:24.060 tim montgomery is um has been a tory member since the 80s co-founder of conservative home yes co-founder

00:03:32.240 of unheard currently sits on a community cohesion board with raikou darlings dame sarah khan

00:03:38.320 fraser nelson sajid javid and a bunch of labor mps and then that lord woolly who stood up at the um

00:03:43.980 rally for jason uh what's his name the the the black academic that killed himself our day yes

00:03:51.160 yeah and he said it was a lynching so he's on that board he's in that clique he's in that club

00:03:54.800 and he decided to defect to reform about a year or so ago now and has been swanning around just

00:04:00.120 as a reform member presenting himself as a reform spokesperson because of his media connections

00:04:04.360 so speaking as if he has the authority of reform leadership and i i did speak to someone fairly

00:04:09.320 senior in reform leadership a couple of months ago and they said to me and i hope i'm not

00:04:13.240 disclosing anything naughty here but they said okay look you know you're not part of any party

00:04:16.200 we consider you a critical friend you know we we hope that you're encouraged by some of the things

00:04:19.660 that we're doing and we'll listen to you if you're not encouraged by some of the things that you're

00:04:22.880 doing um tim montgomery was meant to serve that purpose as well but he's far more critical than

00:04:26.720 friend these days and i do know for a fact they found him bloody insufferable before they booted

00:04:30.340 him out yes i can imagine that yes um but no anyway um as i was saying i mean you i mean this

00:04:36.440 is something you all talked about i did have people pop up in my comments saying because

00:04:39.680 you know you me and carl had all done videos on this uh whether we were buttering people up

00:04:45.140 because zaya is about to join restore no yeah no no that that is not a thing i mean i know some

00:04:52.180 elite theorists have got some notions about how you know this is all going to end up in some

00:04:56.180 merged party but no that is not a thing well some um again i don't know i don't know who that is but

00:05:03.100 i mean parvini's been on the show before and if he's worried about that he can just text any of

00:05:07.200 us at any time yeah we tell him no yeah that's that's not a thing we're not we're not trying to

00:05:12.760 form the british mag or anything um yeah anyway so i i recorded a video in the morning and it

00:05:16.960 didn't go out until six even though we've got 30 people working here and carl also managed to record

00:05:21.580 a video from his hotel room um on holiday and managed to get it up the same morning i did one

00:05:27.260 the day before but i couldn't get it out actually because i couldn't get the thumbnail done in time

00:05:30.380 by the time i released mine tim tim montgomery had already been booted out the party so so i walked

00:05:34.860 into the editor's room and basically

00:05:36.920 said this. Play it,

00:05:38.860 Samson.

00:05:42.540 People to build this in a cave!

00:05:46.120 With a bunch

00:05:46.960 of scraps! Right.

00:05:49.220 That joke could have landed

00:05:50.780 if our tech worked. I feel like I'm

00:05:52.780 sat on a London bus with someone playing

00:05:54.600 a few shorts at that.

00:05:56.320 At least it's not drill.

00:05:59.100 It rarely is, actually. Carl would have

00:06:00.860 made that joke work.

00:06:01.720 yeah it's a bunch of indians and mexicans weirdly enough there's a bunch of south

00:06:05.880 south americans have turned up out of nowhere all right let's finally arrive at a serious point

00:06:11.540 just to be on the safe side because people might have tuned in for that um so yeah so the issue is

00:06:17.200 you know can we can we keep reform as ideologically narrow as possible now tim montgomery is in favor

00:06:24.180 of this uh by purging the right i mean this is what he had to say about restore i can't hear

00:06:29.880 that either vision this way sometimes i believe maybe i'm incredibly naive in saying this is

00:06:35.300 sometimes you just do the right thing i think the british people are decent and sometimes you have

00:06:40.100 to do the right thing i would say the division we have to um look at is whether we go for the

00:06:45.900 restore voters or whether we go for the people who wouldn't stand with restore voters we're in a

00:06:51.540 building where alistair heath works restore have you know have basically gone after his family

00:06:56.120 in recent times

00:06:57.640 leading member

00:06:59.600 and then he talks about

00:07:02.480 Alex Phillips next

00:07:03.160 personally I haven't seen that

00:07:07.980 he's a member of his family so I suppose

00:07:09.820 Alistair Heath has relentlessly

00:07:12.080 published a series of

00:07:13.640 outright lies and smears against

00:07:15.780 Britain including me for the last few weeks

00:07:18.160 and I'm not even employed by the bloody party

00:07:19.760 so criticism

00:07:22.200 is not

00:07:23.180 and right of reply is not going after

00:07:25.920 He makes the same point about Alex Phillips, about how Restore people have been nasty to Alex Phillips.

00:07:30.820 Yeah, that's because she spent, like, the last six months calling us every ad honum she could think of, being completely mad.

00:07:38.080 And then when she got a small measure of it back, suddenly that's an example of how nasty Restore people are, which is a bit mad.

00:07:44.200 But, I mean, it is Tim Montgomery, who's a wet, and he's in The Telegraph.

00:07:48.080 So if you want to, you know, consume better media, may I direct you to The Islander, which is really nice.

00:07:55.920 People keep telling me that I'm supposed to refer to something in here that I liked.

00:08:01.380 Honestly, it's the pictures and the aesthetic in general.

00:08:05.120 I do consider myself a thought leader, not a thought reader.

00:08:09.040 So for me, it's the pictures.

00:08:10.580 Isn't that a quote from the Simpsons movie?

00:08:12.800 Possibly.

00:08:13.900 Dan's not up to speed on it.

00:08:15.020 I saw that bit of the Simpsons.

00:08:16.720 I was able to adapt that.

00:08:17.900 um but yeah and i think these um montgomery goes on to make there's no confusion about

00:08:24.200 where his politics really lies oh god there's an element of jumping from frying pan to fire here

00:08:31.980 you were in a party which for all its faults didn't do this to you no and where you built a

00:08:37.740 career as a critical voice and it was tolerant of that you've now joined another party which

00:08:44.660 turns out to not be tolerant of you is there any part of you that thinks i made a mistake

00:08:50.040 uh i said this to the spectator um on monday and i'll say it again there's hardly been a day when

00:08:56.940 i've not wondered whether i've made a mistake it's been a high wire act all the way through

00:09:01.680 i think it's been worth it for the reasons i said out at the beginning why i think reform was was

00:09:06.860 the option but you know um some people have always said i was foolish to join reform

00:09:12.160 and um maybe if um the suspension is approved um they will have been right

00:09:20.060 can we a bit background on this right for months there has been an anonymous reform source

00:09:26.420 leaking to the observer the telegraph daily mail and the times that basically need to purge reform

00:09:33.000 of Zia Yusuf because he's annoying all the Tories

00:09:35.040 by calling them traitors and setting a

00:09:37.040 deadline that stops more Tory defectors

00:09:39.260 which would then prevent a pact before the

00:09:41.060 election with the Conservatives. This is something that

00:09:42.980 Tim Montgomery has been pushing for. Tim Montgomery is also

00:09:44.900 claiming responsibility for the defection of Robert

00:09:46.900 Jenrick into reform which has annoyed Zia Yusuf

00:09:49.060 because of course Jenrick is now competing

00:09:51.100 with Zia to succeed Nigel Farrod

00:09:53.020 and both men don't hide their ambition.

00:09:55.180 So Tim Montgomery is clearly responsible

00:09:57.120 for at least some of those anonymous leaks

00:09:58.960 the point of where reform people knew it

00:10:01.100 from HQ and I heard

00:10:02.900 from more than one saying basically good riddance um so he is an operator pushing from within reform

00:10:09.480 for a tory pact and the way that he does this is the same way that the telegraph have been trying

00:10:13.840 to do it because he says that in the clip that i stopped you sure and i should have just let you

00:10:17.440 continue playing it to be honest he just says look there should be gatekeepers and we should

00:10:21.520 gatekeep against the evil racists in restore and we should be chasing the tory vote instead because

00:10:26.500 that's tactical voting this is a serious point i wanted to come to and um i i really wanted to get

00:10:33.220 this point across so i spent literally minutes putting this together in the morning um this is

00:10:38.660 how the political spectrum works so so this is dan's political compass as you can see we've got

00:10:43.280 the the forces uh the ruinous powers and decay over here and we've got the truth and light over

00:10:49.120 here now the reason why the tory parties won almost every election for the last hundred years

00:10:55.900 is they were a ridiculously broad church they were able to encompass people who were center right

00:11:02.780 um all the way over to the left just an extreme the wets all over there but they're but they're

00:11:08.600 an extraordinarily broad church and that's why they kept on winning elections right labor is a

00:11:13.500 narrower constituency but this thin red outline here that was the bit that blair pretended to be

00:11:19.360 when he won an election uh we got the green party um over here um and and then we sort of come to

00:11:26.520 the oh the restore obviously nice and sensible over here oh by the way this that line is the

00:11:31.580 treason line and that line is the ethnic line i think i think that treason lines a bit further

00:11:38.680 over to the left and and too generous to the tories but yes yeah i understand what you're

00:11:43.120 going at yes and and the thing is okay and this is this is reform this this is the central problem

00:11:48.360 with reform is they'd already kicked out this half over here the restore i mean that was that

00:11:53.120 was the failure that cost them everything because their coalition could have been this enormous

00:11:57.480 sort of church here it could have been this broad coalition between sort of centrist tories

00:12:02.500 and the people that are now in restore and also a bunch of discontented working class

00:12:07.720 labor voters yes now these these bubbles are not meant to represent the size of the vote share

00:12:14.760 uh because of course you know labor and uh labor of the biggest vote share at the moment followed

00:12:19.500 by restore so this this is this is not to scale on vote share this is this is simply showing their

00:12:23.320 ideological bandwidth and reform have an incredibly narrow ideological bandwidth because it's

00:12:30.040 basically there you go i'll put some people on it to explain this a bit better sorry you think

00:12:34.280 jacob reese mog is closer to rupert low than nigel farage um about that yeah you do know jacob

00:12:42.480 reese mog just got up at oxford and was on the pro-islam side of the debate yeah well close to

00:12:48.780 closer to rupert low sorry dan what is he a fan of when on yeah he's more than rory strew though

00:12:54.480 isn't he i'm showing i'm showing i don't know honestly no the point is basically online with

00:12:58.820 tim montgomery no the point that i'm putting is that rupert is that mog is right wing for the

00:13:05.300 conservative party i would put maybe nick timothy or katie lamb but fine okay yeah or i don't know

00:13:11.960 desmond swain or something he's probably a better or desmond swain well his intern the point is not

00:13:17.480 a lot of people are going to know these other names he's a tory mate come on yeah you've got

00:13:20.280 to accept that that's part and parcel what what i'm going with here is the tories have traditionally

00:13:25.060 had everyone he jaco rock he is right wing for the conservative party and then you got but you

00:13:31.340 can also have people who are basically complete completely on the wrong side of the traitor line

00:13:36.320 like alicia kearns on the left the one that aa went after for yes yes yes you got rory stewart

00:13:42.120 who genuinely thinks that he's a centrist because he's a centrist if he was in the labor party

00:13:47.440 he mates with alistair campbell yes he said he would vote green at the last election uh maybe

00:13:52.820 i should have moved him a bit to the left maybe maybe he and zach polanski share an affinity

00:13:57.800 because of what would their faces and all well their faces well because they look like aardman

00:14:03.020 characters yes right oh is he right i mean that line looks like it's splitting perfectly down the

00:14:08.640 middle of the asymmetry of rory stewart's face oh it accidentally is isn't it yes um yeah you got

00:14:16.240 you got um again you know tim montgomery who thinks that he's on the right of british politics

00:14:21.800 because he's to the right of John Major

00:14:23.360 but isn't really

00:14:25.940 and probably the central line isn't there anyway

00:14:27.740 but you know you take my point here

00:14:29.780 this broad circle here could

00:14:31.900 have been the coalition

00:14:33.000 that Rupert could have had

00:14:35.340 he could have had Tim Montgomery being insufferably

00:14:38.040 wet over here

00:14:39.160 Nigel could have had

00:14:42.540 he could have had Tim

00:14:43.760 being insufferably wet over here along with

00:14:45.920 the Telegraph

00:14:46.560 and Steve Laws over on this end

00:14:49.560 of course Steve Laws was actually a reform candidate

00:14:51.580 at one at one point was he really yeah yeah i think it was folkestone i mean so was it over

00:14:58.220 and so was beau so yes um and and of course rupert lowe was in reform yep so you know he could have

00:15:07.860 had all of that but the first thing he wanted to do was to get rid of everybody on the right

00:15:13.160 so they went off and had their own party now they're getting rid of the people on the left

00:15:17.600 And I've got a lot of sympathy for getting rid of Tim Montgomery.

00:15:21.060 I agree with it, entirely.

00:15:22.400 Because it's not just that he is a congenital wet

00:15:24.620 who will use his media voice if associated with reform

00:15:27.500 to soften the policy.

00:15:28.980 It's that he is the beachhead that the Tories are using

00:15:33.880 to build bridges to force a pact.

00:15:36.500 And nobody wants to reward the Shepherds of the Boris wave

00:15:38.420 except for people like Tim Montgomery.

00:15:40.320 So whilst that is true,

00:15:42.100 we do live under a first-past-the-post system.

00:15:44.820 And building a nice broad church like the Conservatives

00:15:47.180 always used to the conservatives always used to do this you don't need to have montgomery

00:15:51.380 essentially as a party spokesman no that's the thing you want this is so this is what i'm

00:15:55.260 explaining right you have steve laws in but you don't make him your spokesman for well it's not

00:16:01.400 you just don't allow your enemies to turn him into a bogeyman to beat you with like a stick

00:16:05.880 no but you have him in the tent is what i'm saying just leave him to do whatever he wants to do yes

00:16:09.740 and and for the same for the same token you could have had a disgusting you know smelly wet like

00:16:16.600 tim montgomery on your left flank but you have them broadly in the tent and then you go win an

00:16:21.040 election but i mean and so i'm while i'm hugely sympathetic to getting rid of tim montgomery

00:16:26.720 i have to acknowledge that the reality of the first past the post system is

00:16:30.740 that actually nigel should have had this broad tent that included rupert included us included

00:16:37.220 steve laws even and the telegraph and tim montgomery one hand and then and then you know

00:16:41.380 winning an election would have been a sword the mistake he couldn't do it so the mistake was to

00:16:45.800 celebrate tim montgomery's defection and welcome him as if he had a station in the party because

00:16:49.820 tim keeps saying in these interviews he's doing like bbc news night and the telegraph well i wasn't

00:16:53.380 after a job i didn't want an official position i just wanted to be supportive and it's like no you

00:16:56.680 didn't you wanted to act as a conduit between the conservatives and reform and use your existing

00:17:02.660 position as a media commentator to not just nudge reform but essentially make rhetorical commitments

00:17:07.360 that they had to either respond to or commit to and so what they should have done is not celebrate

00:17:12.940 oh we've got tim montgomery this massive poach from conservative home they just sort of should

00:17:16.540 have said oh tim supports us that's nice well we're not going to answer for anything tim says

00:17:19.440 because instead they sent him out on the media rounds as a reform surrogate and that was a mistake

00:17:23.340 yes this is the problem they got i mean the thing is right this this model that i'm describing here

00:17:27.940 that is very effective as a pressure group yes so if you're trying to leave leave the eu if you're

00:17:34.240 trying to leave ukip and run it effectively as a pressure group that works because you've got

00:17:38.920 complete ideological coherence within your party the problem is is that governance is a different

00:17:45.940 thing to winning a referendum and you do actually need a broader coalition to make it work and i

00:17:51.500 mean a heads up you know if if restore is going to take over at some point this circle is just

00:17:56.380 is going to have to move to you know at least a bit to the left of jacob reese mogg which i know

00:18:02.840 a lot of people won't like and people will like to keep it an ideologically pure thing and i would

00:18:06.740 like that as well the problem you've got is the first past the post system you do need a bit of

00:18:12.260 breadth in these things well i don't think you need to change the mission statement of the top

00:18:17.040 team i think you need the top team's mission statements be vindicated by events so for example

00:18:21.560 diluting the message of restore to make it a broader 10 in in the minds of like harris and

00:18:27.240 charlie and doubt and lewis and that would be okay we need to concede some on demographics or

00:18:32.060 some on the compatibility of foreign religions with our way of life in order to court someone

00:18:36.040 like jake reese mog why would you want to do that especially when not being funny the public are

00:18:39.680 already at that position so what is considered um acceptable to court known quantities from

00:18:45.320 westminster yes actually alienates people from the rest of the country which is why having tim

00:18:49.760 montgomery in the party and a bunch of tory defectors was a disaster when reform zone voters

00:18:53.800 like 70 of them think being white is important to their identity yes those of them think that

00:18:57.760 nation britain is a nation of ethnic peoples rather than civic platitudes so you know if you

00:19:02.240 What ends up happening is, in order to court big figures in Westminster, you actually lose your own voters who think, well, I wanted an alternative, and now you're not that.

00:19:10.460 That is very fair, and people in Westminster probably think that this line here is the centre line of British politics, whereas actually it's probably this line over here.

00:19:20.500 Or at least somewhere around here is the actual centre line in politics, which is the exact thing you're describing.

00:19:26.580 now the problem with farad's right is that he his whole ideological infrastructure is the post-war

00:19:35.880 liberal boomer truth regime it's weird because it isn't it isn't he's jekyll and hyde on this

00:19:41.560 because he'll fall back on some of this rhetoric like when he was being interviewed by mike graham

00:19:45.920 in clacton and denounced charlie downs and restore as the second coming of oswald moseley literally

00:19:50.720 playing into the communist version of the cable street battle like yes come on but then at the

00:19:54.640 same time he'll allow substacks to go out under his name that's concerned about the demographic

00:19:57.920 disappearance of white people and he'll he'll allow zia yusuf to say all sorts of radical things

00:20:02.940 because he's got diversity body armor yes it's it's funny you say that actually because i do

00:20:08.320 have another image which shows us exactly what would zia fall on this by the way in your estimation

00:20:13.340 um on here he would probably go in this gap in between rupert and nigel all right um yes do you

00:20:22.640 think that's accurate accurate for where we are by the way you're happy with that yeah well i think

00:20:28.200 i i don't know i think i think we'd probably be i'm not sure actually all right anyway are you

00:20:34.520 about to call steve laws a wet no well i've joked he's a zionist before but um but there's there's

00:20:41.340 internal disagreement on the lotus here isn't there's not yes an editorial well i had to pick

00:20:45.120 somewhere to know yeah true um no your point about oswald mersley yeah so this is and what i've done

00:20:50.120 is i've reached into farage's mind and and i'll explain how i know this and this is his world

00:20:55.720 view right his world view and i know this because well not every boomer um as few as 92.7 percent

00:21:04.700 of all boomers think that and and not just boomers a lot of gen x and a worrying amount of

00:21:10.720 millennials this is because this is the view that was put out by television when people didn't have

00:21:16.660 the internet did you happen to catch um howard cox's appearance on dan wooden show yesterday

00:21:21.160 because i was on no it's been clipped um howard cox has just been announced as one of restore

00:21:25.520 britain's new spokespeople and he a few months before was denouncing restore britain as racist

00:21:29.900 because ben who was basically telling him it was and then i asked him okay well why are you signed

00:21:33.660 up now and he said oh because i was really worried it was a fascist nazi party and uh rupert assured

00:21:37.840 me that he's going to put out a statement denouncing ethno-nationalism give the boys

00:21:40.400 talking to um can confirm that's not going to happen that was that was just made up on the spot

00:21:44.440 so congenitally the boomers many boomers not all you know if you're watching this you're one of the

00:21:49.500 good ones we love you but congenitally many but the seven percent they they are petrified of the

00:21:53.860 phrase racism as if it still has moral weight or any shared meaning well that's why i put this up

00:21:58.820 is because this is genuinely the paradigm that almost everybody in politics thinks the only

00:22:04.140 thing that and i've put i've put nigel in here but to be fair every single politician has a mental

00:22:09.760 map that looks like this which is you know everybody to my right is oswald mosley and

00:22:14.880 everybody to my left is arthur scargill and and starmer has a mental map that looks like this

00:22:19.800 it's just it's starmer there into they all of every single one of them uses this mental model

00:22:26.240 because this mental model is the post-war liberal boomer truth regime of which they all operate on

00:22:33.580 so nigel's view is look i've got to get these scargillites to vote for me but these people

00:22:39.120 over here they're utterly reprehensible it's a moral crime to have anything to do with them i

00:22:43.480 need to make them vanish i mean am i not a hundred percent right i mean i i feel much the same way

00:22:48.060 about the suffragettes yeah well this is i should have made a harry version shouldn't i this is

00:22:55.060 exactly why reform spent about a year and a half chasing the muslim vote and then now they've sort

00:22:59.500 of abandoned that rhetoric conspicuously because it turns out the less than five percent of muslims

00:23:03.040 in the country are going to vote for them it's like oh yeah that was entire fantasy everyone

00:23:06.160 told you that and the amount of significant amount of political capital the amount of effort

00:23:10.000 they put into that in fact yeah i should i should have had a sort of muslim group over there

00:23:16.880 somewhere and they should have been under the arrow of get these people to vote for you

00:23:20.880 but and and but the thing is right and and the reason i put this up the reason i stress this

00:23:25.200 point is because this world view that is what we are trying to overthrow thinking about politics

00:23:32.880 in these terms is exactly what we are trying to undo with our efforts and this is why somebody

00:23:38.460 like camilla tomlinson at the times oh my no don't dirty my name oh yes tom tom and a this is why

00:23:44.540 tom and a um will never understand restore why somebody like mog can never understand restore

00:23:50.580 because this is their mental model and it doesn't matter how much you try and explain to them

00:23:54.440 that it's not accurate this this was baked in by watching the bbc and itv in the formative years

00:24:02.200 of their life up until they're about well in Tomine's she's not that old but presumably up

00:24:06.680 until her 20s just watching tv and for most of them for most of the formative years

00:24:11.540 school gives you this mainstream media gives you this and therefore you have simply no frame of

00:24:17.960 reference outside of everybody's my right is Oswald Mosley and everybody's my left is Arthur

00:24:21.960 Scargill and actually I think what we're trying to do here at Lotus Eaters and other places on

00:24:28.180 you know sort of allied with us is we're trying to replace this mental model because it's wrong

00:24:32.660 this is post-war propaganda and it's wrong with an accurate picture it's also just completely

00:24:38.260 outdated yes like we're 70 years well 80 years removed from that time period so even if even if

00:24:47.280 it was accurate well we're almost 100 years on we're well past any of that now we also keep

00:24:53.200 hearing oh you know restore is the new bnp by a bunch of you know liberal ex-tory reform supporters

00:24:58.900 and it's like sorry again i'm 27 that comparison does not hold me you have to understand i hear

00:25:05.220 about the bnp from old news articles and history books that is it so you might want to update your

00:25:10.600 political mental map and you're still only 27 yeah oh god that's i know i look terrible

00:25:15.800 that is very young indeed actually i i know that this is this is um this is farage i know this is

00:25:23.980 farage's worldview because as i mentioned before about 20 years ago i had dinner with him and i

00:25:27.960 thought oh yeah this is going to be interesting i talked to him about a bunch of things the only

00:25:31.340 thing he wanted to talk about for that for the entire hour or hour and a half or two hours however

00:25:36.740 long it was is is his mission in life was to prevent the rise of a british mussolini and he

00:25:42.520 keeps he does keep saying this reflexively he's like i've always i destroyed the bmp i've always

00:25:47.500 kept out the genuine the ethno-nationalist far right it's like nigel the moment that you stop

00:25:51.460 calling the person to your right right wing they're going to use the same slurs on you so i

00:25:54.680 would encourage you to abandon that even if it's just sheer like shrewdness and tactics yes yes but

00:26:01.260 but until we until we break this world view it is it is no good um all the politics think this

00:26:10.460 and therefore they think that if they change the personality,

00:26:13.420 if you get the right personality in the middle,

00:26:16.060 you'll unlock all the differences.

00:26:17.380 Oh, we just get Boris Johnson.

00:26:19.120 Oh, if we just get Keir Starmer, if we just get Andy Burnham,

00:26:21.840 if we just get Farage, everything will be fine

00:26:24.820 because it's all this worldview.

00:26:27.140 It's not, it's that.

00:26:28.440 This is how it actually works.

00:26:30.320 You've got all these people over here.

00:26:32.160 It's Nick Anz.

00:26:33.640 He just wants a life.

00:26:35.080 He just wants a family and a country.

00:26:36.720 yeah but nigel thinks that those people are oh bugger me yeah that he thinks he thinks that this

00:26:46.380 guy is is bloody mosley and then you've got the insufferable normies who i can't say they're the

00:26:55.200 worst people in the world because there's also these people over here the leftists who who have

00:26:59.440 never had a job or washed or have an original thought in their entire life that's the reality

00:27:04.240 So, you know, Farage continually shrinking the chopping off the left and the right of the party

00:27:10.280 isn't going to do him any favours.

00:27:11.580 That isn't true.

00:27:12.760 That is.

00:27:15.120 There you go.

00:27:15.800 I don't know what you're looking at me for.

00:27:16.980 You pass me the mouse and go for some of the rumble rants?

00:27:20.520 Uh, it, it, it.

00:27:21.980 Oh, yes, comment.

00:27:22.900 We did get some rumble rants.

00:27:24.560 I'll scroll down to him.

00:27:26.180 All right.

00:27:26.580 Well, actually, the first two are related to me because I was on Breakfast with Bo this morning,

00:27:30.240 which you should definitely tune into whenever I'm on.

00:27:32.780 pig dog and also other times as well but mainly when i'm on harry i made a joke about the special

00:27:38.040 guest this morning i think you got lost in translation please let bo know it wasn't about

00:27:41.700 a lisp uh but that you were a special guest not just a special guest special of course meaning

00:27:49.140 special the lenses were licked clean yeah and the fact that we got mixed up on that whole thing just

00:27:54.700 shows how special me and bo really are also your reaction to my bomb joke was brilliant and it made

00:27:59.820 We laugh a lot. Much appreciated.

00:28:01.020 Thank you to all the ELE crew, there we go again,

00:28:05.020 for all of your hard work.

00:28:06.660 Well, you're welcome.

00:28:08.060 Pigdog, don't need Mogg or any of the other traitors.

00:28:10.340 It should be restores official policy that people like Mogg

00:28:13.100 will be jailed once Islam is banned and all Islamists...

00:28:15.640 I would like to do stuff like that.

00:28:17.940 It's a bit tricky winning an election after first pass the post,

00:28:20.460 but ideologically I'm there.

00:28:23.060 Do you want to read these two as well?

00:28:24.140 Yes, Hiroshima Ban says,

00:28:25.940 The moment you realise Faraj is a greedy narcissist,

00:28:28.500 all of his actions make more sense.

00:28:29.820 But my concern is more that, no, he's just a standard boomer.

00:28:37.300 He does actually have political principles.

00:28:38.900 It's just those political principles are post-war slop.

00:28:42.480 It's post-war propaganda.

00:28:44.120 This is the world view that was necessary to hold the world together

00:28:47.440 after the Second World War, and this is what we need everybody to think,

00:28:50.760 and we can actually make them think by having two TV channels

00:28:53.860 and handle the media.

00:28:55.640 um oklador says uh the thinking is starting to sound like real politics hasn't been tried yet

00:29:02.440 uh yeah potentially and um yvonne uh says watchable lineup what a what a compliment

00:29:09.780 only watchable i didn't turn off yes this is very true um uh no no number one restating what

00:29:19.160 someone just said but with bigger words and number one droning on at half the prevailing bpms about

00:29:26.680 irrelevant things personally interesting to him her yes that's what we do on this podcast give me time

00:29:33.080 give me time there's still time we've managed to make a show of it so far so why stop now

00:29:38.200 cheers for the tenner samson do you want to get my segment up please

00:29:41.480 wonderful okay so we are under no impression that the british justice system is anything but

00:29:52.120 two tier and i regret to inform you that some of the highest profile criminals in the last

00:29:56.900 few years that have committed absolutely horrible atrocities that have left scarring on our national

00:30:02.700 psyche are getting quite comfortable with themselves while they're behind bars they're

00:30:06.480 basically getting away with it without being properly punished if you'd like to know what

00:30:10.820 should be done to rectify this state of affairs.

00:30:13.080 You can pick up a copy of Islander, our

00:30:15.020 in-house magazine, while stocks

00:30:16.860 lost over at shop.lotaseaters.com

00:30:19.280 and you might need to read some

00:30:20.960 of those articles as a bit of a pick-me-up

00:30:22.840 after this segment, but it is important news.

00:30:24.740 We all remember Vikram Digwar, the murderer

00:30:26.760 of Henry Novak. His mother

00:30:28.820 is also in prison, but we'll get to her in a moment.

00:30:30.960 So the Daily Mail did some reporting with some sources

00:30:32.960 on the inside of his prism

00:30:34.900 and he is apparently

00:30:36.700 absolutely terrified.

00:30:38.640 Arrived at the prison terrified. He's sort of

00:30:40.140 Is this headline supposed to make me feel bad for him?

00:30:44.900 No, you'll feel furious by the time that I let you know what's actually in this.

00:30:47.640 So one source said he's on a special watch list.

00:30:49.420 So he was previously in solitary confinement during the trial,

00:30:51.780 and he's now been let out on a prison ward.

00:30:54.120 They say his body language makes him look like a bit of a victim,

00:30:56.460 and he has scared eyes, and there are some sort of lifer prisoners in there

00:30:59.120 who know he's a high-profile prisoner and think that if they kill him,

00:31:02.600 well, they're not going to get any more time,

00:31:04.100 so they might as well make a name for themselves.

00:31:05.540 A bit like what they did to...

00:31:06.300 You think he wouldn't be scared in jail carrying around a sword?

00:31:09.280 Well, he can't carry around a sword in prison.

00:31:11.240 Oh, they don't let him take him in?

00:31:12.340 No, funnily enough, you can actually apply the ban when he's in prison.

00:31:16.680 Right, so he's allowed to carry it up and down British High Street.

00:31:19.760 Yeah, and kill a man.

00:31:20.740 But he's not allowed to have it...

00:31:21.880 Okay, so he's...

00:31:22.740 Okay, right, fine.

00:31:23.480 Yeah, he's also afraid of the Muslim groups, of course, as a Sikh, wearing his turban.

00:31:27.920 What might happen is he might be forced to convert to Islam for protection.

00:31:31.340 So he's getting it in sort of both ends of the neck.

00:31:34.480 You're laughing now, though.

00:31:35.900 Now that he's been moved back onto a ward, he has certain privileges.

00:31:37.980 and we're paying for all those.

00:31:40.040 Quote, this is from a source,

00:31:41.580 he's on a wing now

00:31:42.260 and slowly building up his privileges

00:31:43.500 so soon he'll be able to get TV and video games

00:31:45.580 which helps prevent a lot of relatively young men

00:31:47.800 from being depressed

00:31:48.520 because the last thing we'd want

00:31:49.500 is this murderer being depressed.

00:31:51.120 But the only reason that we put them in jail

00:31:55.260 is because he killed Henry Novak.

00:31:56.880 Yeah, as opposed to just hanging them

00:31:58.620 is because it's supposed to be a punishment.

00:32:00.300 No, it's rehabilitation.

00:32:01.260 But we're now taking away

00:32:02.140 the punishment element of prison.

00:32:03.600 So he can sit around and play video games all day.

00:32:05.700 Which is what he would do anyway.

00:32:06.480 Leave prison.

00:32:07.980 If I can just do a few house chores around the prison for a little bit

00:32:11.000 and then get some video games for myself,

00:32:13.080 instead of what most people do at my age,

00:32:14.860 which is work themselves into debt to be able to afford even minor luxuries.

00:32:18.500 Even worse than that, Harry, you pay for a gym membership, right?

00:32:22.060 Yes.

00:32:22.540 Yeah, well, Vikram Diggler is, quote,

00:32:24.280 Now going to the gym, and by all accounts, he is hopeful of getting some sort of job.

00:32:27.480 There'll be an opportunity to do some sort of academic course,

00:32:29.480 possibly at the open university, but he's shown no real interest in that.

00:32:31.740 So he's getting a university course funded by you and me, taxpayer,

00:32:34.900 bed board video games and gym for killing a man refer back to a segment that liz did on the podcast

00:32:42.240 a few weeks ago about the struggles of young men trying to get well young people in general trying

00:32:46.520 to get jobs against the endless horde of third worlders yeah exactly um bear in mind what he did

00:32:53.260 please tell me it's at least a sega no idea i would assume it's fairly up to date as a console

00:32:59.000 because you can't even plug that into it no no the ultimate punishment would be playstation 5

00:33:03.100 no games to play on it again i'm sure they'll find a way to be able to uh buy him with gel

00:33:08.900 broken your playstation 5 you can play everything yeah we wouldn't want you to reoffend after all

00:33:13.200 bear in mind this is the same guy that inflicted such um horrific trauma on the novak family um

00:33:19.900 in the sentencing remarks they remarked on uh henry's sister olivia describing the relationship

00:33:26.080 with her brother as one of exceptional closeness her brother was not just a sibling but her closest

00:33:29.960 companion his death caused her world to fall apart and she recounts the profound shock and

00:33:34.520 trauma of being informed of her brother's death the continued anguish associated with identifying

00:33:38.340 him attending his funeral confronting the many firsts without him his birthday christmas and

00:33:42.620 other significant family occasions so henry novak now never gets to graduate university get a job

00:33:48.060 um have a family of his own see his own kids grow up but vikram digwood gets to sit in a cell and

00:33:53.060 play video games the rest of the vikram dickwood gets to have luxuries and privileges and and all

00:33:57.640 of this is because he had luxuries and privileges on the outside as you said because the state um

00:34:01.060 not just brought his family here but indulged his ability to carry weapons around which he used

00:34:05.220 to kill henry novak and of course he has the cultural encouragement to do so because during

00:34:09.200 the sentencing remarks it was pointed out these part of this new sort of second generation radical

00:34:13.060 sikh sect that sees it as an act of defiance against uh its host population to externally

00:34:19.720 present these sikh characteristics like a sword wearing the turban being more ethnically and

00:34:24.460 are just the chauvinistic and uh if you want which our establishment considers to be a good

00:34:27.980 thing yeah our strength well also is a common thing where the second and third generation of

00:34:31.860 immigrants tend to be far more radical than the than the ones who originally arrived here yeah

00:34:36.220 but um weirdly enough in dig was family that uh that pattern doesn't persist because his mother

00:34:40.860 is just as bad because as we remember his mother is in prison for three years for assisting an

00:34:44.560 offender and uh hiding the murder weapon um this is kieran cower she came to england three decades

00:34:50.140 ago to quote escape a hard life in india and then helped end henry novak's she's locked up in hmp

00:34:55.620 bronfield um though not for long turns out because andy burnham's labor government's early release

00:35:01.840 scheme might allow her to walk out of prison early oh it would be 40 of the overall sentence

00:35:07.400 wouldn't it yeah but he'd probably get that as well that they will find i guarantee like in seven

00:35:10.880 years time they'll find a way to let him out early just like uh the rochdale ringleader uh shabir

00:35:16.080 Ahmed, who walked free from prison

00:35:17.980 despite saying Pakistanis are the supreme race

00:35:20.140 and that white girls deserve to get abused during

00:35:22.160 his trial. Yeah, but again, the establishment

00:35:24.080 also believes that. Yeah.

00:35:25.980 So, the point I'm making is, these people should

00:35:28.040 never have been here. They shouldn't

00:35:30.700 be given a PlayStation in prison.

00:35:32.100 They shouldn't be given comfort.

00:35:34.580 In the case of Vikram Digway, they should be given

00:35:36.080 the death penalty, but we don't have that at the moment. They certainly

00:35:38.080 shouldn't be able to be in constant contact while they're

00:35:40.100 in prison and video calling each other between the prisons.

00:35:43.680 What's the advice

00:35:44.280 do that so even in prison you can't escape the diversity having loud video calls with one another

00:35:49.880 yep exactly yeah yeah they do that thing where they just keep the call on like all day and just

00:35:54.160 speak intermittently i i no idea but i wouldn't be surprised they shouldn't even be having yogurt

00:35:59.300 pots and string as far as i'm concerned but the prison allows them to live basically as if they

00:36:05.160 originally already did just we're paying for it again now and uh someone else who's getting this

00:36:09.520 treatment, is Axel Rudicabana.

00:36:11.540 So he's just been charged with three

00:36:13.380 additional attacks while

00:36:15.380 in prison. He, I think, attempted to throw

00:36:17.340 boiling oil or water at a prison

00:36:19.400 guard at HMP Belmarsh

00:36:21.220 between May and October 2025.

00:36:23.400 But he's not getting additional prison time. Instead,

00:36:25.620 he's been transferred to a hospital.

00:36:28.240 He's now in a hospital.

00:36:29.520 A euthanasia hospital?

00:36:31.380 No, no. Instead, I think

00:36:33.340 he's in the same place as

00:36:34.840 Valdo Calacane, who got a manslaughter

00:36:37.100 charge, who killed those two

00:36:39.280 students and the caretaker in

00:36:41.240 Nottingham, because he was totally out of his mind

00:36:43.420 again, another immigrant that did that, didn't need to be

00:36:45.400 here, and it seems like

00:36:47.300 rather than being punished, they're going to an adult creche

00:36:49.160 for the rest of their life. They're in Broadmoor.

00:36:51.660 So, rather than spending

00:36:53.500 £97,740

00:36:55.680 a year keeping him in prison,

00:36:57.360 we're now going to spend £270,000

00:36:59.160 keeping Axel Rudicabana in a hospital.

00:37:02.360 My solution is cheaper.

00:37:03.740 Yeah, much comfier facilities.

00:37:05.800 Apparently the Ministry of Justice is

00:37:07.180 defending it, telling the BBC,

00:37:08.600 any decision to transfer an offender is made following an independent clinical assessment

00:37:13.000 under the mental health act following rigorous security checks the offender has been transferred

00:37:16.840 to a high security psychiatric unit where he will remain until assessed return assessed fit to

00:37:22.100 return to prison under the mental health act the ministry of justice is likely to have had no choice

00:37:27.080 but to accept doctors recommendations about whether ruda cabana could be health safely held

00:37:31.120 in prison so this is the guy who told classmates he wanted white genocide who as we'll get onto in a

00:37:36.740 but repeatedly attacked former school friends,

00:37:40.940 told the police he wanted to poison people,

00:37:42.920 stab them to death, told childline this.

00:37:45.040 Over a series of years, ordered a lot of weapons

00:37:47.120 that his parents didn't tell the police about.

00:37:49.520 And then now they think,

00:37:51.520 oh, he's a poor oppressed victim.

00:37:53.500 Aren't we worried about his mental health?

00:37:54.640 Let's get him help.

00:37:56.100 Yeah.

00:37:56.660 Because helping him is the important thing,

00:37:58.600 not helping those little girls.

00:38:00.580 Yes.

00:38:00.960 As far as if this is the fault of the government,

00:38:03.840 I mean, in a way,

00:38:05.280 so under the Mental Health Act,

00:38:06.460 section 47 actually provides the secretary of state for justice who at this point i can't even

00:38:12.040 remember who that person is it's total like non-entity but it was david lammy uh previously

00:38:16.420 um it gives them a discretionary power to transfer a sentenced prisoner to hospital

00:38:20.200 it's not a duty but in practice thanks to the constitutional reform and governance act

00:38:26.180 which means that ministers have to take civil servants guidance under the law otherwise they

00:38:31.260 could be kicked out of the ministerial position if a civil servant, probably on the Ministry of

00:38:36.700 Justice's caseload team, says, well, we've got a recommendation for a doctor, therefore you have

00:38:40.860 to do it under his human rights, which Axel Rudecabana could launch an ECHR claim against

00:38:45.220 if he isn't transferred to a hospital, they have to do it. Now, you could just leave the ECHR and

00:38:50.240 repeal the Constitutional Report on the Government Act and the Human Rights Act, and hopefully bring

00:38:54.200 back the death penalty and give it to Rudecabana, but because they don't want to do any of that,

00:38:57.480 the government's pretty happy with this. They're happy with letting these people out early or

00:39:00.680 giving them a PlayStation or a hospital bed

00:39:02.640 instead of a very cold prison cell.

00:39:04.700 So this is just clearly madness.

00:39:06.800 Yeah. And they're just, again, they're getting away with it.

00:39:09.100 And Rudy Cabana knows that because

00:39:10.760 the family lawyers of the poor

00:39:12.800 three murdered girls, Baby King,

00:39:15.080 Elsie Dot Scancome, and

00:39:16.120 Elise da Silva Agua,

00:39:19.540 he's turned around, his name's

00:39:20.960 Chris Walker, said the families themselves obviously

00:39:22.820 don't believe in the merits of the transfer. Quote,

00:39:24.980 in my mind this is a new event, this is something which

00:39:26.800 occurred while he was in prison, and we at this stage

00:39:28.760 don't believe the merits of it.

00:39:30.680 of him because he's seen no evidence until today that suggests he has a significant mental health

00:39:35.000 disorder because, of course, he was fit enough to stand trial. He tried to interrupt his own trial

00:39:38.760 and cause further trauma to the grieving families, but he knew what he did. It was premeditated. It

00:39:43.020 was planned over the course of years, frankly. And if he was fit to stand trial, why suddenly

00:39:47.640 does he need to be consigned to a psychiatric facility? Isn't he just suffering from the

00:39:51.740 punishment he's meant to endure? I suppose fundamentally the establishment view will be

00:39:55.520 he's not a white man, therefore he cannot

00:39:57.400 be a bad guy. Well, that

00:39:59.480 was certainly the opinion. One

00:40:01.460 teacher, according to the Southport Inquiry,

00:40:03.400 tried to raise alarm about

00:40:05.500 Axel Rudakabana because he was bringing a knife into school,

00:40:07.360 and she was told not to profile a black boy with a knife.

00:40:10.400 Because you've never heard of black boys

00:40:11.600 bringing knives around and killing each other.

00:40:13.200 Or other people, have you?

00:40:15.240 This was, of course,

00:40:16.980 Axel Rudakabana's capacity to manipulate people was revealed

00:40:19.420 during the Southport Inquiry.

00:40:21.300 Dr. Lakshmi, and I apologise

00:40:23.220 for butchering the pronunciation

00:40:25.240 of the surname but uh ramash brahmanian ramasubramanian there you go we've made our best

00:40:32.180 effort we're sorry um this consultant psychiatrist who eventually stepped away from rudicabana's case

00:40:37.320 um because his dad was complaining that again he was criticizing his son um something that

00:40:43.620 alphonse rudicabana seems to have a pattern of he said during the inquiry that rudicabana

00:40:47.360 attempts to take control uh of the narrative about his mental health after their first

00:40:51.920 appointment in 2021 i'm sorry she said rudy cabana articulated symptoms of anxiety as if he'd rehearsed

00:40:58.340 it from a book it was very apparent he was trying to convince me and persuade me that he needed

00:41:02.020 medication he was certainly demanding argumentative and tried to dictate i would almost use the words

00:41:06.560 manipulate in the conclusion to the inquiry sir adrian fulford who is the chair of the inquiry

00:41:11.340 said rudy cabana seemingly simply wanted to share his symptoms in order to secure particular

00:41:15.820 medication he'd been demanding argumentative and attempted to dictate treatment he said one of the

00:41:20.240 defining hallmarks of Rudy Cabana's personality

00:41:22.200 was that he was deeply manipulative and routinely

00:41:24.600 unhelpful. So...

00:41:26.280 Yes, because he's evil. Yeah. So he can play the system.

00:41:29.140 He routinely played the race

00:41:30.640 card and pretended that his

00:41:32.580 classmates were bullying him at school and that was the reason why

00:41:34.600 he should bash them up with a hockey stick and try to

00:41:36.540 stab them to death with a knife. He was researching

00:41:38.580 mental health symptoms. He was even researching

00:41:40.520 in the inquiry, it turns out,

00:41:42.500 mitigating circumstances for

00:41:44.320 what he could plead if he were to go and kill people.

00:41:46.980 So he knew exactly what he was doing. He's just doing it

00:41:48.600 now he's in prison and the state ultimately agrees with them because as you've said they see him as

00:41:53.380 the victim yeah this is this is um he must be a victim well yeah i mean how could he be anything

00:41:58.760 else i was i was reading a book of essays by a critic called thomas sadds called the therapeutic

00:42:03.920 state a couple of weeks ago and he made the argument in the absence of religion we have no

00:42:08.700 language of evil and so we instead tried to therapeutize everything so we reduce it all to

00:42:12.680 some sort of mental health deficiency or in some way how society has failed the criminal you know

00:42:18.420 Our society has failed, that's pretty bloody clear.

00:42:20.520 Yeah, and so based on the belief that we are all equal,

00:42:23.420 we are all blank slates,

00:42:24.740 the state takes the role as therapist,

00:42:26.660 to try to strip any political content out of any interaction

00:42:30.020 between two peoples, like the Southport Murders

00:42:31.680 or Vikram Digwa's killing of Henry Novak,

00:42:34.220 and tries to provide therapy and restorative interventions

00:42:38.740 and reparations in terms of wealth redistribution to these people

00:42:42.380 because it thinks they'll be just like us on the other side of it.

00:42:44.400 The entire mindset is dealing with toddlers.

00:42:46.180 It's the complete feminisation of the state.

00:42:47.980 Yeah. Yeah, potentially so. And this pattern was pretty conspicuous within the Southport Inquiry,

00:42:52.500 and this is a massive inquiry, so I'm going to boil it down to just a few bullet points for

00:42:57.520 sake of time, and I'm going to save you the headache of reading all 13 chapters of this.

00:43:03.720 But the scale of the failures of the state when dealing with Ruda Kibana, that are again on

00:43:08.940 display here with Vikram Digwar and the fact that Ruda Kibana is now in hospital rather than in

00:43:12.780 prison, and also the complicity of his parents, because much like Vikram Digwar, his parents

00:43:16.940 were involved. There has been no suggestion

00:43:19.180 that we're going to deport Vikram Digwa's parents.

00:43:21.400 No suggestion that actually Ruda Kibana's parents

00:43:23.020 will be deported. They're still, as far as I understand,

00:43:25.220 in taxpayer-funded police protection.

00:43:27.380 They haven't been charged with any of their complicity.

00:43:29.300 But they are just as guilty as

00:43:31.040 Ruda Kibana is of these murders, judging by

00:43:33.060 the inquiry. So, it was compiled by

00:43:35.020 Sir Adrian Falford, stop me at any time

00:43:37.020 by the way, gent, who found fundamental

00:43:39.000 failures by the state institutions

00:43:40.420 and Ruda Kibana's parents. There's a

00:43:42.960 timeline of the violence. So, on the 18th of June,

00:43:44.740 In 2019, Rudy Cabana called the Manchester Arena attack a good battle

00:43:47.840 in a religious education lesson about jihad.

00:43:49.920 So again, all of these should have been, you know, warning bells raised.

00:43:52.920 In September 2019, he frequently fought with other pupils,

00:43:55.560 and when given a detention, he said that's why teachers get murdered.

00:43:58.520 From the 5th of October to the 8th of October 2019,

00:44:00.860 he contacted Childline multiple times,

00:44:02.360 saying he wanted to kill another pupil who he accused of bullying him.

00:44:05.020 On the 7th of October, he admitted to taking a knife into school.

00:44:08.680 Childline referred that to the National Crime Agency,

00:44:10.660 who informed Lancashire Constabulary.

00:44:12.420 two police constables visited the family home and he admitted to carrying a knife to school

00:44:16.320 around 10 times and said he would have used it to kill someone if things got to a certain point

00:44:20.420 with a bully. Sir Adrian asserts, quote, I don't accept that Axel Rudicobarna was bullied at either

00:44:25.040 school. So his claims of being racially bullied were just made up. He's just a complete psycho

00:44:30.360 who blamed everyone else for his own problems. But there you go. He was then suspended from

00:44:34.340 Rage High School, which was the one that he ended up going back to with a knife and hockey stick,

00:44:37.620 fracturing the wrist of a pupil and being

00:44:39.700 tackled to the ground by a

00:44:41.800 teacher. In his new school, he punches

00:44:43.840 a seething lamina, and

00:44:45.340 in discussions about how to promote local businesses, he said

00:44:47.820 people don't trust others, they don't know in case

00:44:49.800 they get murdered. So there's a pattern going

00:44:51.820 on here. He also tried to draw

00:44:53.640 guns and a severed head in an art

00:44:55.860 lesson, and then later that December

00:44:57.580 returned to his old school to commit the

00:44:59.740 attack before he went on to do the Southport

00:45:01.640 attack. He then was in another

00:45:03.840 lesson in 2022, and made

00:45:05.740 multiple comments about holocaust and other genocides um his teacher talked to him and said

00:45:11.420 she was concerned that his comments were anti-semitic um but don't worry axel rudikabana

00:45:15.960 assured her that all genocides should be advertised equally i i think there's a pretty conspicuous and

00:45:21.860 obvious pattern here but but there you go um he then left the house armed on the 17th of march

00:45:25.880 2022 with a knife was reported missing and found on a bus by the police he then went back home and

00:45:31.740 told the police that he wanted to poison people because he had embarrassing images and texts on

00:45:36.260 his social media accounts on his phone that he couldn't delete so he wanted to break the law to

00:45:40.840 get the authorities to take the phone away to delete his embarrassing social media posts

00:45:44.600 you just don't understand these people like their thinking just doesn't make sense it's like uh did

00:45:49.960 you see the sudanese guy who showed up to two schools over the summer holidays with uh jerry

00:45:55.100 can an axe uh a hammer and uh said i think he's out already no he's not out no he's just been put

00:46:01.560 in prison um but he said well i i had to get your attention because you weren't processing my asylum

00:46:06.380 claim because of course yeah the logic of that yeah exactly actually no there was a guy in france

00:46:12.180 who attacked a little girl and she was only about three or four so violently with a knife outside

00:46:18.080 of a nursery that she is she's basically non-functional she's still alive but she can't

00:46:22.580 move and she needs to be medicated to sleep and he did that in france for the same reason that he

00:46:28.040 wanted them to process his asylum play more quickly we can process it with a refusal and a

00:46:33.000 quick walk to the gallows if you'd like gallows is letting them off just too soft uh it's cheap

00:46:39.380 in a british tradition i think um then in 2022 he uh decided to smash up a laptop that his father

00:46:45.620 had hidden from him he took it to the bathroom and then tried to flood the house again his parents

00:46:49.520 at that point called the police but the police decided not to arrest him or section him for some

00:46:52.600 reason and then his brother also in december 2022 sent a message on discord to a friend saying

00:46:57.900 The fights are scary because of the danger of someone dying.

00:47:00.100 My brother doesn't really show mercy, so my dad just has to try not to die.

00:47:03.760 Materials on his computer included things on dynamite and detonators,

00:47:07.700 three-word documents about explosives,

00:47:10.160 things about the Twin Towers falling in New York,

00:47:13.360 genocides in Somalia of cleansing of clans and, of course, of Rwanda.

00:47:19.280 He had material on operational deaths,

00:47:21.600 including the Zulu War and the Mau Mau Uprising,

00:47:23.980 Nazi Germany, Chechnya and ISIS in Mosul.

00:47:27.900 cartoons of killing violence and um sexual violence um especially stuff that about islam

00:47:34.900 judaism and christianity and uh he was also said to as well not just say to classmates he wanted

00:47:40.500 white genocide but during his second prevent referral because he was referred to prevent

00:47:43.800 three times and they decided not to advance it and i think on the second and third referrals

00:47:47.040 they misspelled his names they couldn't even find it in the system he told the person who was doing

00:47:51.180 his prevent intervention quote um colonel gaddafi fought for the poor women in libya and fought for

00:47:55.720 the rights of the continent of africa against western imperialism there's no doubt that this

00:48:00.720 angered many western nations who could not stand the thought of a third world country that could

00:48:04.440 possibly have a more democratic political system than their own i also found out that gaddafi

00:48:08.380 supported the great leader nelson mandela in his fight for freedom against apartheid which western

00:48:12.400 nations were also supporting so he was accusing his white classmates of racially bullying him

00:48:17.880 saying he wanted white genocide praising third world dictators and seemed to lionize anti-colonial

00:48:23.800 struggles and yet prevent say he had no clear motive which is going to put him in the category

00:48:27.940 of people obsessed with vague violence so this guy was some what wannabe revolutionary he hated

00:48:33.780 white people well clearly yeah well he's ideologically aligned with preventing isn't

00:48:38.020 he yeah exactly which is why prevent won't admit his actual motivation which is why he wouldn't

00:48:42.200 he wasn't stopped but the entire point is right um found among the materials as well were um

00:48:48.280 research on adolescents peer friendship and anxiety and depression among first generation

00:48:52.260 BAME families in the UK, something you mentioned previously, Harry, as a pattern that happens,

00:48:57.140 and manslaughtered by reason of diminished responsibility. So the inquiry said,

00:49:01.720 there are strong indications that Rudy Cabana had been researching material on the best means

00:49:05.340 of attacking others, as well as the mental health explanations and defences that might be available

00:49:09.120 to him following a criminal prosecution. So he knew how to play the system. We know this in the

00:49:13.100 inquiry. We know this in the evidence. And yet, he's being signed off into a hospital anyway,

00:49:17.340 rather than punished it just just absolutely infuriating um and as i mentioned there are

00:49:23.000 all sorts of bits of information that weren't shared between departments um one of the most

00:49:26.860 annoying ones was when he was caught carrying a knife in 2022 um the two police officers attending

00:49:32.820 were advised uh to make a referral a vulnerable child referral rather than arrest him or detain

00:49:38.940 him under the mental health act which he's now been sent to a hospital for on being asked why

00:49:42.360 he was carrying a knife he smiled and told the police that he wanted to stab someone he said

00:49:46.320 that he wanted his mobile phone to be seized because there were embarrassing videos on his

00:49:49.140 social media accounts on TikTok and Instagram that he couldn't get rid of. He also made reference

00:49:53.000 to poisoning people, and when police officers talked to his mother about his comments about

00:49:57.860 poison, she said that she was shockingly unconcerned. So his parents didn't care, even though in the

00:50:04.420 presence of police he was saying, I want to stab people, I want to poison people. This

00:50:06.920 is after he'd already been excluded from school and then went back to the school and attacked

00:50:09.920 people. Well, the police are there and they didn't do anything either. Yeah, agreed. Yeah,

00:50:12.840 wasn't arrested charged or sectioned just completely mental if he had been the inquiry

00:50:17.540 notes they would have found the rice in production and all the weapons he'd been ordering yes and

00:50:21.480 they would have prevented the attack and remember we live in a country where a guy had a replica

00:50:25.100 zelda sword yes and by replica i mean it was a key ring and that got him arrested and taken to court

00:50:31.460 so if you're a white guy you can have a toy sword and you get taken to court but this guy

00:50:36.000 was bringing knives to school admitted it to police he admitted that he'd done it 10 times

00:50:40.280 and they're like, yeah, nothing to see here.

00:50:41.900 Well, I remember one story,

00:50:43.280 it was particularly ludicrous in the last couple of years,

00:50:44.700 was an armed response unit showed up

00:50:46.720 to confront a guy who was clipping his flowers

00:50:49.420 in his front garden with a pair of shears.

00:50:51.900 But you order machetes, bows and arrows, etc.

00:50:55.420 If you admit to the police,

00:50:56.740 yes, I've taken a knife to school ten times

00:50:58.920 with the intention of stabbing a fellow student

00:51:01.100 and they just nod at you and go on their way.

00:51:03.440 Yeah.

00:51:03.980 The ultimate culprits here, though, I would say,

00:51:05.880 are not just the state for allowing him to get away with this

00:51:09.320 and not just for bringing

00:51:10.340 his parents in

00:51:10.780 in the first place

00:51:11.220 but the parents themselves

00:51:12.060 because they raised this guy

00:51:13.240 they raised this killer

00:51:14.180 they did very little

00:51:15.560 to stop it

00:51:16.440 they thought of the authorities

00:51:17.320 I mean if we're taking it back

00:51:18.360 ultimately it's the British government

00:51:19.380 though isn't it

00:51:20.160 it is

00:51:20.580 because the British government

00:51:21.260 let these people in

00:51:22.260 and Dick Wad's family

00:51:24.020 and

00:51:24.380 yeah of course

00:51:24.860 they didn't need to be here

00:51:25.620 they don't need to be given

00:51:26.220 special privileges

00:51:26.920 but also these people

00:51:28.400 bear responsibility

00:51:29.260 for proactively hiding it

00:51:31.500 from the state

00:51:32.020 knowing the state

00:51:32.960 was sympathetic to them

00:51:34.080 to be fair

00:51:35.300 the people who did

00:51:36.180 the bringing in

00:51:36.860 the people who were in government

00:51:37.700 who brought them in

00:51:38.460 I would let them off with a hanging.

00:51:42.560 I think all around people should be punished for this.

00:51:46.280 But the inquiry says that his parents were non-cooperative,

00:51:49.200 lied, hid information from the authorities,

00:51:51.280 and then pretended to be victims and said they had memory loss.

00:51:53.860 Like, Letitia M, who is Axel Rudakabana's mother,

00:51:57.120 described her memory as being as extremely poor

00:51:59.400 on the basis of her experiences in Rwanda.

00:52:01.460 For the most part, it was impossible for the inquiry chair

00:52:03.500 to judge the extent to which Letitia M suggested

00:52:05.580 lack of recollection was genuine

00:52:06.880 during her own evidence to the inquiry.

00:52:09.000 As with Alphonse, there were aspects of her evidence

00:52:11.960 which I have been unable to accept,

00:52:13.640 including some where I do not consider her evidence was truthful.

00:52:15.740 So they were just lying to the inquiry even after the murders, right?

00:52:19.140 Alphonse Rudicabana, his dad,

00:52:20.740 created significant obstructions to the state authorities.

00:52:23.840 He was excusing Axel Rudicabana's actions throughout the entire thing.

00:52:27.680 They ultimately failed to report the clear escalation in risk

00:52:30.780 between the week of the thwarted attack

00:52:34.060 where they stopped him getting in the cab beforehand

00:52:35.460 and the actual attack in Southport.

00:52:38.680 His aggression led to the withdrawal

00:52:40.140 of the previously mentioned consultant psychiatrists

00:52:42.580 who warned that Axel was manipulating their therapy sessions

00:52:45.100 to get medication and an excuse.

00:52:47.560 Three days before Axel was excluded from Reign School,

00:52:50.300 Alphonse called the school and said Axel was a good boy

00:52:52.600 and actually blamed the school for making him more violent,

00:52:55.540 despite him attacking pupils,

00:52:57.640 bringing a knife into school ten times.

00:52:59.460 Where did he get the knife?

00:53:00.560 From his parents' kitchen.

00:53:01.700 um alphonse uh also said um he he uh didn't prevent axa rudikabana from accessing all of

00:53:10.460 the materials that i mentioned previously because he said that he if he would have applied parental

00:53:15.280 controls to his laptop and ipad then axa rudikabana would have gotten violent you gave him the laptop

00:53:20.940 and ipad in the first place you were paying for the internet you were responsible and the entire

00:53:25.580 time he is outsourcing his responsibility to his son who he kept telling the school was a beautiful

00:53:31.180 and good boy, but then at home

00:53:33.280 was claiming that Axel Witt of Barna was attacking

00:53:35.200 him so lethally that it worried his other son

00:53:37.160 and that if he had attempted to

00:53:38.900 put controls on his behaviour, then his own life was in danger.

00:53:41.600 So this guy knew he was raising a monster

00:53:43.320 and just did nothing about it.

00:53:45.440 Also, Axel was, like, truant

00:53:47.100 the entire time, so he was mainly at home with his parents.

00:53:50.480 And then

00:53:50.800 during the

00:53:52.740 annual review of Axel's education, health

00:53:55.040 and care plan in May 2021,

00:53:57.100 he, Alphonse, pressed for the deletion

00:53:59.120 of entries, saying that

00:54:00.560 Axel can become fixated on particular members of staff,

00:54:03.440 and then there were occasions when Axel would say things

00:54:06.520 or do things that have been described as sinister.

00:54:08.320 He said, it's inappropriate to describe my son as sinister.

00:54:11.340 I think looking at the mugshot of Axel Ridicobana,

00:54:12.880 I think sinister's probably the best word for it,

00:54:14.740 as well as evil.

00:54:16.440 And again, they knew he was violent on multiple occasions.

00:54:19.420 At one point when Cams tried to intervene,

00:54:21.160 both Alphonse and Letitia demanded that a number of corrections

00:54:24.460 be made to the referral letter.

00:54:26.400 And Letitia said, family therapy is pointless,

00:54:28.540 I don't want to attend to it.

00:54:29.480 and she didn't trust cams because she said they're very powerful having the power to remove children

00:54:33.660 so they knew how awful volatile and violent their son was but they thought that they had absolute

00:54:40.020 say over him and so they refused to hand him over to the authorities and then as for the weapons i

00:54:44.040 mean he ordered um caster beans to produce rice in a bow arrows and a duffel bag um bottles and

00:54:50.060 a jerry can for petrol bombs crossbows or attempted to order a crossbow smoke grenades multiple

00:54:55.240 machetes uh multiple knives including the the eventual chef knives from amazon that used to

00:55:00.600 commit the attack um alphonse rudocobana knew about most of these deliveries he accepted them

00:55:05.120 um he knew that axel rudocobana was using fake ids procured from all over the country with no

00:55:10.320 relation to the family or their address to get them and all he did instead was kept keep putting

00:55:14.680 them on top of the wardrobe how the hell did he get a load of fake ids yeah that's a good question

00:55:19.220 as well apparently as well axel rudocobana um you might be wondering how did he pay for this stuff

00:55:23.380 Apparently he had an online genealogy business

00:55:25.600 When he was like 15

00:55:26.620 But also he was getting £40 a day

00:55:29.420 From his mother to shower

00:55:30.720 So they were giving him the money

00:55:33.940 To buy weapons

00:55:35.080 And then stockpiling it in the house

00:55:36.660 And this is all in this document

00:55:38.340 This is all in the report

00:55:39.680 They were paying him £40 a day to have a shower

00:55:42.780 His parents really didn't want him to be Green voters

00:55:45.480 That's an odd thing for them to care about

00:55:50.820 But okay

00:55:51.180 if you know your son's just buying weapons

00:55:53.940 and you feel

00:55:55.540 just put up with the smell, let him vote green

00:55:57.220 or just give him over to the police

00:55:59.520 as well

00:56:01.700 Alphonse when he was interrogated

00:56:03.940 he said of course it's obvious

00:56:06.120 that the day of the range high school attack

00:56:07.520 the week before where he stopped getting into a cab

00:56:09.140 if only his parents were Sivnat I could have come to them

00:56:11.420 and said look I'll shower for £30 a day

00:56:13.600 and they would have been like

00:56:15.260 okay that's alright then

00:56:16.580 I don't understand what you mean

00:56:18.440 Well, Sivnats don't care about family connection or anything like that, so you can undercut it.

00:56:23.600 Right, okay.

00:56:25.400 Yeah, so Alphonse basically admitted that he knew that his son was going to attack his old high school a week before the actual Southport attacks,

00:56:31.540 and didn't, again, didn't ring the police.

00:56:33.500 Him and his wife conspired to keep this hidden from the authorities.

00:56:36.300 So they knew about this.

00:56:38.340 They didn't have their son sectioned.

00:56:39.660 Instead, it turns out that Letitia's fingerprint was found on the knife packaging.

00:56:43.820 So she knew that he'd bought the knives, he'd obtained the knives.

00:56:47.820 They knew that he was trying to go and stab his old school the week before,

00:56:50.620 and instead they just decided to bin it,

00:56:52.180 and then they lied to the Inquiry about knowing about it,

00:56:53.920 and it wasn't until after she found out the Inquiry had her fingerprints

00:56:57.000 on the packaging for the murder weapon that she came clean.

00:56:59.820 So, the Inquiry chair concludes,

00:57:01.900 quote,

00:57:17.820 justify their actions and axles through dishonest evidence to the inquiry if axel if axel rudikabana's

00:57:23.520 parents had done what they morally ought to have done axel rudikabana would not have been at liberty

00:57:27.420 to conduct the attack and it would not the problem is i do suspect that's coat from the state because

00:57:32.520 i suspect even if they had come forward with all of this the state would have made excuses for him

00:57:36.500 i'm sure the state would have handled axel rudikabana with kid clubs as they are now

00:57:39.980 um point yeah yeah the fact the fact that he's already murdered girls and they're treating him

00:57:44.040 like this, how would they have treated him

00:57:46.020 if the parents had actually come

00:57:47.940 forward and said all of

00:57:50.060 this? They would have just

00:57:51.260 given him a Playstation or something.

00:57:53.940 Yeah, as they have for Vikram Digwar. So I'll conclude

00:57:56.020 here. The parents of Vikram Digwar

00:57:58.000 and Axel Rudiger Bonner are just as responsible for

00:58:00.000 these murders as Vikram Digwar and Axel Rudiger Bonner

00:58:01.980 are themselves. But so, as we've been pointing

00:58:04.060 out, is a stay. They brought these people here,

00:58:06.120 they allowed them to raise their families with

00:58:08.020 their own backwards cultural practices,

00:58:10.500 they encouraged them to do

00:58:12.060 so in these sequestered enclaves,

00:58:13.320 and even after they commit violent crimes

00:58:16.240 against our own children

00:58:17.260 they give them a playstation

00:58:19.820 and a free university course

00:58:20.920 and a comfortable hospital bed

00:58:21.900 these people shouldn't be here

00:58:23.720 we shouldn't have to put up with them

00:58:24.980 until the next attack happens

00:58:26.260 and everyone responsible for building the state

00:58:28.980 that has treated them like it's a therapy session

00:58:31.580 rather than a punishment

00:58:32.260 is also complicit in these killings too

00:58:34.140 sorry for the miserable segment lads

00:58:37.720 but I thought that it was worth covering

00:58:39.020 that was depressing

00:58:40.220 that was particularly depressing to be honest

00:58:42.000 There are some rumble rants

00:58:43.980 I haven't got a mouse anymore

00:58:47.260 Oh, I'll give that back to you if you want

00:58:49.260 Sorry, Harry

00:58:50.160 I just got a bit of a headache now

00:58:53.680 Hero Shan Iban

00:59:01.700 Says, remember the Southport girls

00:59:03.560 Noack and Widdicombe and millions more

00:59:06.080 Yeah, unfortunately we

00:59:07.100 We can't forget, can we?

00:59:09.160 Because we get another example every few weeks

00:59:11.120 yeah i know it's depressing we kind of have to keep covering it well thank you for the purple

00:59:14.540 comment 20 that's very kind um that's a random name says i agree with dan gallows is too kind

00:59:20.640 yes i i looked it up um samson i put it in studio one but i found the correct solution

00:59:26.100 um is this going to get us in trouble ah there it's it's it's basically canoning

00:59:32.500 oh he doesn't want to put it up for something all right okay um yes uh he also says

00:59:40.020 how does restore win before 2030 the uk uh won't survive post 2030 uh well i don't think they will

00:59:48.900 i don't think they will well we need we need to keep pushing i think i think there's going to be

00:59:54.280 an early election november 2027 um and it's going to be burnham with a slim margin and what makes

00:59:59.480 you think that we're going to get an early election by two years um because burnham hates

01:00:04.100 the constraints that he's been placed under

01:00:06.020 by the 2024 manifesto, and also

01:00:08.100 he wants to elongate

01:00:10.260 the time at which...

01:00:11.940 Is there really any sense that he has to stick to

01:00:14.060 the manifesto, or is that mainly backbenchers

01:00:16.040 and other people within the past? Mainly backbenchers

01:00:17.960 and the Lords. I mean, he can actually just ignore it

01:00:19.980 if he wants to. Yeah, but the Lords can block it, much like they did

01:00:22.020 with the assisted dying bill. I mean, he's not too keen on that

01:00:24.000 either, he's against it, but there are other things that he'd like to get through.

01:00:26.620 And Pigdog says that Harry has

01:00:27.940 a thousand yards there.

01:00:29.600 Now, that was a random name. Pigdog said

01:00:31.960 miserable section, but so important to keep these matters

01:00:33.960 to the full yeah okay yep yeah um okay then uh sorry guess i'll move on to the guess i'll move

01:00:43.020 on to the next have you got something cheerful for us not really well it's less part of the

01:00:47.700 problem it's less miserable right uh this was not so you know okay um so we've all we've all

01:00:56.580 been long we've all been on the internet long enough to engage at some point or another with

01:01:02.840 brain rot correct you're talking about our channel unfortunately some would argue our channel but

01:01:07.820 i'm speaking more uh specifically about say short short form content especially the kind that you

01:01:14.040 might find regularly on instagram tiktok and other short video platforms i can't watch those because

01:01:20.240 i'm over 40 i just can't like you can't you have too much of an attention span for certain things

01:01:25.420 i mean you did play one during your segment well yeah but we did catch a short glimpse of

01:01:31.080 nigel farage's ai music also after you watch your twitter clip you actually like it auto plays to

01:01:37.100 some like staged complete brain rot rubbish and you have to swipe off it it it it always happens

01:01:42.820 and um there has been a lot of worrying about how this uh how the effect of brain rot content as it

01:01:49.660 has been dubbed online is actually affecting the minds of people particularly young people

01:01:55.140 and there's not been that much research done into it but still the social media companies are

01:01:59.960 starting to face the effects of people worrying about what they're doing to children in particular.

01:02:06.440 But there is also actually new research coming out which does seem to suggest that

01:02:11.240 brain rot is actually rotting your brain in one way or another. Now it's inconclusive,

01:02:17.160 it's the start of new research, we'll see how it goes, but still it seems to be indicating what we

01:02:23.320 all instinctually know, which is that staring at brain rot videos on a screen for hours of

01:02:29.000 today, especially in your formative years, is not good for you. What you can do alternatively

01:02:34.820 to counter the effects of brain rot, however, is to read Islander number six, which has

01:02:39.620 a number of wonderful articles talking about all manner of interesting and informative

01:02:45.460 subjects. You have Carl's article here talking about the scouring of the Shire. You have

01:02:51.460 Henry Martin's article, Influence Is Not Power. You have Callum Darroch talking about wolves

01:02:57.460 on the perimeter, all of which are going

01:02:59.320 to be a much better use of your time

01:03:01.340 than sat in the dark, staring

01:03:03.340 at a blue light

01:03:05.140 bright screen for hours at a time

01:03:07.520 melting

01:03:09.320 your prefrontal cortex.

01:03:11.680 Unless you're watching us.

01:03:12.880 So whilst you still have the time, whilst copies

01:03:15.380 are still available, pick up Islander 6 from the website

01:03:17.500 for £14.99.

01:03:20.040 So the social media

01:03:21.440 companies are

01:03:23.460 currently, Meta in particular,

01:03:25.760 yet again, as they have been

01:03:27.440 basically for the entirety of their existence, under attack through a number of different lawsuits

01:03:33.280 that have all been put together, 29 US states accusing Meta of covering up internal research

01:03:39.520 showing Instagram was addictive for teenagers, and this was in court on Tuesday, opening day of a

01:03:47.360 landmark legal challenge. So this isn't just saying that there is no evidence, but we have a general

01:03:53.260 feeling that this is negatively affecting teenagers um i mean obviously you've had books

01:03:57.500 like jonathan heights the anxious generation but i've not read that so i can't say anything to the

01:04:02.100 quality and level of research that he was referring to in that book this is actively saying that no

01:04:07.620 matter as a company has done the research themselves internally come to the conclusion

01:04:12.740 that we are harming these these young people but we are going to continue with our business

01:04:16.720 practices i think it's actually even stronger than that they found a statistically strong

01:04:20.640 connection between the rise in teenage

01:04:22.720 girls' suicides and

01:04:24.780 their algorithm.

01:04:26.620 I think that might have been one of Jonathan Haidt's

01:04:28.840 statistics. No, that was

01:04:30.700 a meta... It's recent. No, that was a

01:04:32.560 meta whistleblower. Yeah, that

01:04:34.460 was the Congressional Testimony. Yes, the Congressional

01:04:36.520 Testimony, that's the one. Which I think is now the new

01:04:38.760 subject of the sequel to The Social

01:04:40.760 Network, that film that they've just made

01:04:42.560 and wrote in. Oh yes, and they're beautifying

01:04:44.880 her, aren't they? So they actually know

01:04:46.820 that they have caused a rise in teenage

01:04:48.740 girls' suicide and they

01:04:50.300 buried at the port yes well that well that is very interesting one thing i do have to

01:04:56.120 mention before i carry on uh that i don't think people mention enough is that a lot of these

01:05:01.880 social media companies if they didn't outright start as such have implicitly become arms of the

01:05:09.840 state themselves uh we know that there's been a lot of collaboration with zuckerberg for instance

01:05:15.140 supporting trump elon supported trump but all of these people were used to be democrats twitter

01:05:21.440 used to have heavy involvement through the fbi manipulating algorithms and such remember the

01:05:26.400 magazine piece about how they saved the election i mean that was mark zuckerberg yes they all

01:05:30.960 collaborate heavily with the adl that was very famously about 10 years ago during trump's first

01:05:36.220 run for president the sasha baron cohen speech which i think was at an adl conference where he

01:05:42.860 was saying that if the Facebook had existed back in 1933 they'd have been running cover for Hitler

01:05:48.560 ironic given you know Zuckerberg which led to a greater level of censorship existing on the

01:05:55.760 platform so when we're talking about like the censorship here and whether these social media

01:06:00.480 companies are being censored for the sake of political ideologies pushed by the state or

01:06:05.740 pushed by private interests it's important to kind of acknowledge that public and private interests

01:06:10.840 when we're talking about massive state-affiliated corporations of this size doesn't the distinction

01:06:15.920 isn't real right so while on a state-to-state level they might have these issues broadly these

01:06:22.660 social media companies are an arm of the state pushing propaganda that the state will in one way

01:06:29.000 or another find useful or they act as part of like deep state cia services trying to manipulate what

01:06:36.440 the actual administration can do. Or they launder it through third-party NGOs that then manufacture

01:06:41.320 consent for censorship on the platform, which is what the Trump State Department has learned

01:06:46.180 recently, which is why they're trying to crack down on all those NGOs, and they're basically

01:06:49.520 having to mop up a lot of the censorship that previous administrations have put through the

01:06:53.740 tech platform. So at one time, they're saying, why did you take this video or this post down

01:06:57.760 or ban this account? And then they find that the person responsible for targeting this account

01:07:01.560 was an NGO that was being funded either by USAID or by the US or UK taxpayer through other means.

01:07:06.820 Yeah, the government, especially in the US as it exists, is not perfectly aligned,

01:07:10.680 so there'll be different factions within the governments that are going to be trying to use

01:07:13.580 different social media platforms to push different agendas.

01:07:17.240 It's as simple as that, but still, the point to be made is public-private is not really a distinction

01:07:22.720 that we're talking about here. Either way, ultimately, the worry that's going on

01:07:26.540 is that young people are being damaged by this and you can say that maybe they're just trying

01:07:32.120 to get young people away from social media content that will radicalize them to the right

01:07:38.080 wing especially on TikTok people becoming radicalized on that or Instagram but still

01:07:43.240 there is definite it is definitely a worry that young people are not growing up in a good

01:07:50.180 environment when they're just constantly engaging with this but either way let's carry on with some

01:07:53.960 the information so the deputy attorney general for california who is the main representative of

01:07:58.720 these 29 states megan o'neill told jurors that she would be giving them a preview of what they

01:08:03.320 could expect to see over the course of the trial which would include witness testimony and internal

01:08:06.720 documents the attorney generals uncovered while investigating meta she referenced one document

01:08:11.860 said quote the young ones are the best ones and another one where meta stated quote teens are

01:08:17.800 hooked despite how it makes them feels uh instagram is addictive now this article leaves out any

01:08:23.260 further context but the implication is that they then decided no matter the negative consequences

01:08:28.100 well we'll just carry on as we are because it's effective the lawsuit against meta accuses them

01:08:32.920 of accuses the parent company of instagram and facebook of deliberately designing addictive

01:08:37.380 products that lure in young people and damage their mental health to which i can only say

01:08:41.400 well duh yeah the whole point of social media the business model is to hijack your dopamine

01:08:48.820 receptors and flood your brain with a constant reward response for engaging with the material

01:08:56.260 you're on. We've known this for probably like 15 years since everybody realized the positive

01:09:01.700 feedback loop that was the Facebook like system. If you start to get a lot of likes on certain

01:09:06.660 posts, you'll start to post more like that. If you start to like certain posts, you'll start to get

01:09:10.640 more posts like that. It's constantly just trying to feed you stuff that will keep you engaged with

01:09:15.020 the platform because that's how they make money so this isn't any great revelation here which is

01:09:19.400 why larry ellison wants to procure tiktok yes on behalf of the u.s government realistically uh

01:09:25.040 well tony blair institute as well as so there's a lot of people involved in yeah there's a lot

01:09:29.140 of people involved in it they just wanted it out of china's hands the jury trial is taking place

01:09:33.620 in federal court in oakland california is expected to last six to eight weeks jury will hear from

01:09:38.380 mark zuckerberg and instagram ceo adam masseri and other company executives after opening statements

01:09:44.460 on tuesday the government called former employee turned whistleblower arturo beja as its first

01:09:50.760 witness never heard of that one so this was this has been around for a while this was first filed

01:09:54.980 in october of 2023 alleges that meta regularly collects data on children under the age of 13

01:10:01.340 without the parental permission in violation of federal and state laws uh the sweeping legal

01:10:06.080 proceedings could have profound consequences for the social media company because if they are found

01:10:11.360 liable they will be facing damages of up to 200 billion dollars which is the entire annual revenue

01:10:19.640 that the company made in 2025 sounds reasonable so that could make a huge dent lawmakers are also

01:10:25.220 asking that meta be compelled to change the design of its products to make them safer for children

01:10:29.020 which may have a longer term longer term effect than the fine so obviously like that would be the

01:10:33.600 ultimate effect for all for any users of these platforms that would be the i mean they should

01:10:38.640 if young girls are committing suicide because of this stuff

01:10:41.140 that is exactly what they should do

01:10:43.040 at the same time as well

01:10:44.960 I agree, reprehensible behaviour

01:10:47.180 by the corporation, at the same time

01:10:49.240 don't give your children access

01:10:51.240 to it, that's just

01:10:52.480 a bit of advice. The fun thing here

01:10:55.140 Otrigdor in the rumble rancers said so much of

01:10:57.220 this sounds like the cigarette stuff from the 90s

01:10:59.020 yes, it literally, this is

01:11:01.600 explicitly, the attorneys

01:11:03.180 and the states who are involved in this

01:11:04.920 have explicitly said that they have modelled

01:11:06.960 this approach to tackling the social media companies in the same way that they modeled

01:11:11.160 the cigarette lawsuits of the 1990s so it's been effective before so they're hoping it'll be

01:11:16.980 effective again including going with the basically environmental pollution aspect of it they consider

01:11:22.560 it like a social environmental pollutant in the same way that they argued that cigarettes were

01:11:27.900 in the 1990s so you are absolutely right to pick up on the similarities there met is of course

01:11:33.740 denying all of it uh they said that they've done several studies on young users with the goals of

01:11:38.020 asking what they can do to support teens in the space uh their representative um paul schmidt

01:11:43.640 said that meta had disabled more than one million of counts of children under the age of 13 and that

01:11:49.000 it is acting in a meaningful way to remove young users why are you allowing 13 year olds to use it

01:11:54.340 though if you know it's addictive for teens well that's the great great question uh this is not the

01:11:58.280 only thing that they're facing, not even recently as well, because just at the beginning of the

01:12:03.980 month, they were already tasked with fining $567 million in a child safety ruling in New Mexico,

01:12:12.280 which has had another change, which has had another court order for them, which is that

01:12:17.020 they have to now make a fund to pay for efforts to mitigate the wide-ranging impacts of the harm

01:12:25.120 that they cause to young children the majority of the money totaling 420 million dollars which

01:12:31.460 has gone into the fund already will go towards treatment of harms meta's platform have already

01:12:36.020 caused through the funding of quote appropriate clinical or other behavioral health programs

01:12:40.920 and professionals according to the order which i don't know if that just means we're going to take

01:12:45.660 the kids that meta is damaged and we are going to medicate the hell out of them yeah i was going to

01:12:50.600 say if you're just paying for therapy and medication it's probably not going to improve

01:12:53.380 their lives and especially if not going to improve their lives as it gets laundered through a bunch

01:12:56.380 of like woke washed ngos as well meta has brainwashed and damaged these children we need

01:13:01.180 to counter their brainwashing and medication by the pharma industry the opposite thing by the

01:13:06.800 pharmaceuticals yeah and there's also new orders to ban underage users from sending or receiving

01:13:12.780 nudity which they should already have been doing if they weren't then yeah get rid of that uh enact

01:13:18.000 a one-strike policy for adult users who engage in child sexual exploitation well yeah obviously that

01:13:22.840 should be a normal procedure anyway it wasn't though do you remember that segment we did a few

01:13:26.340 years ago where um instagram and facebook were rerouting known hashtags that led to child

01:13:31.420 exploitation material with a warning saying hey this content often sends you off site to child

01:13:35.960 exploitation stuff would you like to continue it's like yeah well thanks for advising me on that

01:13:41.660 yeah just don't just block it all together take it off the platform uh eliminate like counts for

01:13:45.920 users under 18 ban push notifications for such users every day between 10 p.m to 7 a.m and ban

01:13:52.620 such notifications during the typical school

01:13:54.700 year between 8am and 3pm

01:13:56.540 except on weekends. When it comes to schools

01:13:58.180 it might be difficult to organise

01:14:00.740 and you might get a few parents who are going to fight

01:14:02.680 back against it but I think that schools

01:14:04.480 really should have like parental associations

01:14:06.560 that lobby the schools that your kids to go

01:14:08.660 to to just completely ban all phones on

01:14:10.580 school grounds. Whether

01:14:12.300 the government is going to do that or not

01:14:14.280 if the government isn't going to do that you as schools

01:14:16.840 you as parents should probably lobby for the

01:14:18.620 schools to do it because it'll improve

01:14:20.380 social environment, it'll improve

01:14:22.660 attention span. They won't get stolen.

01:14:24.620 Yeah, they won't get stolen. And implement

01:14:26.880 a mandatory usage limit for such users

01:14:29.000 of 90 cumulative hours per month

01:14:30.940 across Instagram and Facebook, or about

01:14:32.620 three hours per day. So this is

01:14:34.760 all of the consequences of what's going on with children,

01:14:36.940 but we're all adults here, right?

01:14:38.860 You watching this right now

01:14:40.720 is also a responsible adult.

01:14:42.900 So, does it have a similar

01:14:44.760 effect? Is there even any research

01:14:46.960 into the effects that it has on

01:14:48.880 grown-ups like you and me uh well there's this that was going around that i saw uh that was a

01:14:56.160 wrongly cited tweet uh saying that there was a recent study where they took smartphone capacity

01:15:01.620 away from adults for four weeks and so they had their flip phone and they could text but they

01:15:05.840 couldn't get online they couldn't be on social media what they found is after four weeks from

01:15:09.440 being away from a smartphone the happiness scores went up as if they had treated these people with

01:15:13.040 an antidepressant and when they looked at these individuals and spoke with them they found these

01:15:16.900 people were getting better sleep and they were also socializing more in eating their food better

01:15:22.960 and all of these different various improvements which is frankly wrongly cited particularly

01:15:28.460 because the actual person themselves did not cite the study anywhere but happily it was community

01:15:34.040 noted and while this was somewhat wrongly cited there is actually some truth to what is being

01:15:40.340 said here in regarding a study that has happened recently and this is a study blocking from last

01:15:45.480 year blocking mobile internet on smartphones improves sustained attention mental health and

01:15:50.080 subjective well-being now it shouldn't be common sense to say that if you're not doom scrolling

01:15:54.140 a bed rotting you feel better yes but study now there is scientific evidence to back it up as well

01:16:01.280 this is just the thing where as ever science vindicates things which are common sense uh they

01:16:07.900 used a mobile phone application to block all mobile internet access from participant smartphones for

01:16:12.280 two weeks and objectively track compliance the intervention specifically targeted the feature

01:16:17.000 that makes smartphones smart which is mobile internet while allowing participants to maintain

01:16:21.200 mobile connection through text and call so using a phone for what they were 25 years ago when i was

01:16:26.420 growing up intervention improved mental health subjective well-being an objectively measured

01:16:30.480 ability to sustain attention 91 of participants improved on at least one of these outcomes and

01:16:36.520 there is a better write-up of it here that gives a bit more of an explanation of the methodology

01:16:41.360 467 participants average age 32 uh so kind of like me and you dan you know not this young

01:16:48.800 whippersnapper over here connor this little pup that we have no more like uh more like the uh

01:16:54.580 the old guard you and me how old are you like 27 and a half i'm 30 now uh and the blimey are you

01:17:01.080 yeah i know right don't pity pity me pray you got another 20 years until you hit your prime

01:17:06.540 oh yeah yeah that's that's how i'll look at it thank you dan uh blacks all internet access as

01:17:12.020 said in the abstract participants could still access the internet through computers at home

01:17:15.440 work and school but they were no longer constantly connected to the online world so this isn't even

01:17:19.840 you just completely shut off the internet from your entire life it's just not having it on your

01:17:24.780 phone with you wherever you go to assess the effects of intervention over time participants

01:17:28.880 were randomly split into two groups one group activated the app for the first two weeks and

01:17:32.520 then got internet access back the others blocked the internet during the latter two weeks uh using

01:17:37.540 both self-reported assessments and objective computer-based tests the researchers measured

01:17:42.120 participants psychological functioning uh 91 of them improved in at least one of the three outcomes

01:17:47.780 71 of participants reported better mental health after the internet break than before it to the

01:17:53.600 degree that was better than taking antidepressant medications there's no suicidal side effects

01:17:58.380 well obviously yeah attention spans improved by an amount equivalent to reversing 10 years of age

01:18:03.700 related cognitive decline so it's like reversing 10 years of dementia and i mean if a pharmaceutical

01:18:09.280 company came out with a drug that could do that they would make billions yeah it's the drug where

01:18:14.780 they just grab your smartphone and smash it with a hammer in front of you and then you're all better

01:18:19.900 now and the benefits of blocking mobile internet seem to increase over time so if it had gone on

01:18:25.340 for a longer time period, then potentially

01:18:27.140 like two weeks, these effects could have

01:18:29.280 been even better after four

01:18:31.300 weeks, for instance.

01:18:32.820 But there is

01:18:33.980 some things to say about

01:18:37.100 the limitations of it, which aren't mentioned

01:18:39.280 in the people reporting it elsewhere

01:18:41.140 and aren't mentioned in the abstract,

01:18:43.040 which is, in the study, actually only

01:18:45.220 57% of the participants

01:18:47.260 followed through on installing the app

01:18:49.000 and only a quarter went the full

01:18:51.100 two weeks off. Yeah, because they didn't have the attention span

01:18:53.080 to install the app. Yeah, clearly, because they are

01:18:55.240 too addicted to their own phones to actually go ahead with the study that they signed up for on

01:19:02.300 the effects of not being addicted to their phones right uh so that is somewhat of a limitation here

01:19:07.660 that because we're only working with people here only just a little bit more than half of them

01:19:13.880 actually even installed the app let alone went through with it uh so that is a limitation to

01:19:19.460 this but there was another study that people were sharing around ironically from the brain rot app

01:19:23.660 itself x from polymarket again like this this is just goes to show how the social media like the

01:19:31.740 incentives on a lot of these social media applications particularly x works just in

01:19:36.640 scientific study reveals tiktok videos deactivate key cognitive brain regions well yeah because

01:19:43.240 you're just the passive recipient of slop and again while there is some truth to this the the

01:19:49.780 the statement taken as a whole is bs it's a complete lie because the study it's referring to

01:19:56.740 uh this one has nothing to do with tiktok whatsoever it is checking uh it's a chinese

01:20:04.140 study of about uh 66 young adults and the effects of short form video content between two and six

01:20:13.560 minutes which is significantly longer than the average on tiktok to the effects on the prefrontal

01:20:19.280 cortex and the control center of the brain that regulates how you control and moderate your own

01:20:24.980 actions. Now the results were very interesting. Interestingly enough it was redstate.com that had

01:20:31.800 an interesting write-up on it looking at brain rot. So it was researchers at Zhejiang University

01:20:37.360 in China recruited 66 young adults to participate in a short-form video experiment. Only 56% of

01:20:44.060 their scans survived initial quality control because this was literally doing brain scans

01:20:48.480 scans to see how it affects uh your brain young adults had an average age of 23 so closer to your

01:20:54.520 age connor uh nobody had to be taught the ancient art of swiping away from something boring before

01:21:00.680 each viewing session researchers measured glutamite and GABA which are different parts of the brain

01:21:05.880 chemistry i won't explain it all measured those levels in the dorsal anterior cingulate cortex

01:21:11.520 participants were then asked to watch two to six minute videos drawn from a library of 160 clips

01:21:16.280 they were given a button to skip whatever they got bored with videos that people watched to the

01:21:21.020 end were classified as liked those who swiped away before the halfway point were classified as

01:21:25.260 disliked and researchers found a clear difference in scans when viewers watched the entire clip that

01:21:30.060 they enjoyed versus skipped and these liked videos were associated with a significant deactivation

01:21:35.260 in both the DACC and the DIPFC which are the parts that helped you to moderate your control

01:21:42.220 of your brain and so what this seems to be is if you watch a video all the way through

01:21:47.860 it kind of hijacks your brain it hijacks your prefrontal cortex and stops you from being able

01:21:55.180 to as easily put the phone down so if you're watching short form video content and you're

01:22:01.320 enjoying it it's the positive positive feedback loop you'll want to watch more which again

01:22:06.920 sounds like common sense but it's showing that it's not just a preference thing it's not just

01:22:13.040 a preference thing it's actually affecting your brain chemistry as it's doing so they point out

01:22:18.020 here the experiment did not test tiktok researchers uses pre-recorded clips on smartphones with no

01:22:23.640 app history no for you page and no tiktok recommendations and no algorithms the videos

01:22:29.220 were just pets game scenery and people doing things which in fairness cover a long large

01:22:32.660 amount of what you see on tiktok but the suppression they measured was not the algorithm

01:22:36.160 them at work it may just be what our brains do when a video is too good and it is also important

01:22:41.020 to note as well this comes from a chinese institution as well but it has been peer

01:22:45.960 reviewed but you can apply skepticism to chinese research if you would somebody has watched this

01:22:51.600 video this far would they have got brain rot or is it too long potentially this was only two to

01:22:58.520 six minutes but you know long you've been going for like 23 minutes yeah longer form videos might

01:23:04.300 actually be uh might actually have the same effects we don't know again these are the

01:23:08.760 limitations of these studies but they do show that research is starting to be done into this

01:23:13.820 and the research is sort of starting to uniformly show that it really is literally hijacking the uh

01:23:20.900 the the prefrontal cortex of your brain and making it much more difficult for you to put the phone

01:23:26.760 down and it's also showing that it's making it more difficult for you to pay attention it's

01:23:32.000 because your brain will presumably get addicted to that reward response yes but they also point

01:23:38.860 out you know there's no there's no part of this study that's talking about tiktok there's no part

01:23:42.960 of this study that's talking about uh young people uh there's no young people as in teenagers and

01:23:48.440 younger and they also don't know whether these effects wear off after you put the phone down

01:23:53.300 or compound session after session so it's unknown as to whether these results are going to be used

01:23:57.820 by these states in these because the results are interesting and they point in a certain

01:24:02.880 direction but they are inconclusive but the research that's starting to come out about

01:24:07.500 the effects of social media use and short form video and such on people in general not

01:24:14.180 just young people isn't looking great. It's not looking great and I think we should all

01:24:18.420 say that it is good for you to take a break every now and again and once you finish this

01:24:22.200 video I would implore you to put your phone down if you're watching this on your phone

01:24:27.220 if you're watching it on your computer go outside without your phone if you can and yes read

01:24:33.820 islander instead or any sort of good and nourishing book so there you go brain rot is real and it's

01:24:40.260 literally rotting your brain act accordingly so what i've been bottling through all that so if

01:24:46.280 you're 27 you're actually a zoomer yeah i'm a zoomer yeah i always wondered why you never got

01:24:51.140 offended when i called you a zoomer you actually are one yes how come you know stuff then because

01:24:56.180 most Zuma white men are autodidacts.

01:24:58.860 Ah, that's interesting.

01:24:59.920 We're kind of forced to be.

01:25:02.620 Yeah, we grew up as natives on the internet

01:25:04.480 and also with a reprehensible

01:25:06.200 education system, and so you either

01:25:07.900 true now, or you

01:25:09.480 become an autist.

01:25:12.400 Great choices, aren't they?

01:25:13.680 I call myself a zillennial because there's a lot

01:25:16.120 of confusion as to whether Zuma starts

01:25:18.080 in 1996 when I was born, or

01:25:19.860 1997. But either way,

01:25:22.120 I still consider myself

01:25:23.520 zillennial. No, no, it's because I'm

01:25:25.900 i'm a tweener anyway you know i still grew up with enough time to have a lot of years without

01:25:31.240 the internet but the internet was still introduced into my life at a very young age i think i'd rather

01:25:35.880 be a zoomer than a millennial millennials are like the cuck generation aren't they they're cringe

01:25:41.340 yes they are they are entirely cringe my wife's a millennial though so she's watching all right

01:25:46.780 you married an older woman i did marry an old saucy i know same age as you oh i like to remind

01:25:52.340 her of that when she gets a bit um lippy what you just start a call like you're 30 you know

01:25:56.780 start calling her old lady is she closest about you or is she a nixennial she's 1996 so same

01:26:02.880 same year as me okay what's this star sign i don't know i'm a woman good good uh all right um

01:26:11.340 uh yeah i'll go through some of the rumble rants somerset south african wanting to use

01:26:16.300 instagram or tiktok to spread a christian or conservative messages like boromir wanting to

01:26:20.500 use the one ring against sauron yeah i mean also like online christians uh can be a little bit a

01:26:27.800 lot of them are very grifty so yeah it's good to be careful around them pig dog parents need to be

01:26:33.120 more responsible social media companies need to be punished uh they know the harm they're doing

01:26:36.960 friend's daughter has a four inch scar up her thigh and oh god that's awful that's really horrible

01:26:41.120 to hear yeah that's that's the thing i say that there should be responsibility in both ways but

01:26:46.160 you do need a broader societal safety net because even if you as a parent are individually being

01:26:51.800 responsible with your own kid there's a social environment they're going to school they'll

01:26:55.700 experience they'll interact with it elsewhere other parents are not necessarily going to be

01:27:00.540 on the same page as you which is why you know at schools that's why i say you should form like some

01:27:04.520 kind of parental pressure group to get your local school that your kids are going to to ban all

01:27:09.420 phones on site you go in you hand it into the teachers and then you get it back when you leave

01:27:14.360 that you might just have to try and form a pressure group for that pig dog again social

01:27:19.220 media companies know they have caused severe harm and suicide yep punishment shouldn't just be

01:27:22.880 financial or jail time uh they killed people i don't know what you could be referring to to that

01:27:28.280 um random name i feel like these studies are skewed by the fact that most people who doom

01:27:32.020 scroll are normies and npcs meaning there's not much gray air gray matter in the first let's be

01:27:36.300 let's be fair here everybody doom scrolls right that's what these apps are designed to force you

01:27:42.140 to do okay so i don't think just going oh they're just normies is particularly helpful and all jokes

01:27:47.280 aside does this hijacking of the prefrontal cortex only come from social media or any digital media

01:27:52.980 like movies video games le videos etc again this is another one of the limitations of it it seems

01:27:57.740 to just be a general application of two to six minute videos do we have any video comments or

01:28:03.140 can we do the comments of the nice people uh we don't you may continue with all right so from my

01:28:08.460 It's my segment.

01:28:10.740 Thegan Scotty of Swindon.

01:28:12.980 What?

01:28:13.480 Fen.

01:28:14.020 Fen.

01:28:14.740 Fen Scotty of Swindon says, he's parodying me.

01:28:19.400 I hate these boomers playing with tech.

01:28:21.860 Anyone watch the video.

01:28:23.100 I won't play sound followed by booming AI slopsong.

01:28:27.140 He's got you there.

01:28:28.020 He's got you there.

01:28:28.800 You have to remember that our studio is held together by duct tape

01:28:31.820 and Cole's old gaming rigs from 1994.

01:28:34.720 and that may change in the future

01:28:37.380 but for now we're working

01:28:39.180 with what we've got

01:28:40.040 and it doesn't work

01:28:41.520 and it's run by boomers

01:28:42.660 it's run by Samson

01:28:44.180 I don't know

01:28:45.720 I wouldn't accuse him

01:28:46.260 of being a boomer

01:28:46.900 I wouldn't be that harsh

01:28:47.760 there's another good one in here

01:28:50.380 I wanted to address as well

01:28:51.700 but I'm just going to have to

01:28:52.900 here we go

01:28:53.500 that's a random name

01:28:55.020 Black Toast Intolerant

01:28:57.240 says

01:28:57.500 the takeaway from this segment

01:28:59.480 is that

01:29:00.040 politics in the modern democracy

01:29:01.980 is all about being

01:29:02.940 a pathetic coward

01:29:03.860 that he's basically a prostitute for votes yes i want to explain this right that is what so what

01:29:10.780 blair did and what i was showing that extended circle is that he pretended to be something that

01:29:17.080 he wasn't in order to win an election and then he ran a very tight narrow ideological mission

01:29:23.700 through it now i'm not saying that we should do that but we should kind of do that and we we should

01:29:29.960 we should modify the state because blair has been the only effective politician i've seen in my

01:29:35.380 entire life or i mean he was just brilliant he changed the state to what he wanted by winning

01:29:42.140 with the game that was there and and the very fact we have to countenance such a thing is why

01:29:47.040 so many people are especially my generation disillusioned with democracy well yeah not

01:29:51.900 really particularly ideologically committed to it yeah i mean if there was an alternative to

01:29:55.840 democracy, if some based

01:29:57.740 Zuma or Gen Alpha kid

01:29:59.200 comes up one day. Zuma Napoleon. Yes.

01:30:02.320 And wants to go a different

01:30:03.880 way, I will be quietly cheering

01:30:05.880 from the windows. We should be saying

01:30:08.020 Zuma Cromwell, by the way.

01:30:09.760 Oh yeah, I like that. He was a Puritan.

01:30:12.460 As much as Rupert loves him.

01:30:13.840 But he was an Englishman,

01:30:16.020 so, you know. Is it going to be a Zuma, though?

01:30:17.700 Because they're getting on him. I think it will be the Zuma.

01:30:19.740 It might be a Gen Alpha kid. Gen Alpha's

01:30:22.000 God bless them, they've been basically one-shot.

01:30:23.840 They're the ones doing the 6-7 thing

01:30:25.860 I still don't understand

01:30:28.460 Neither do I

01:30:29.180 I think it's just a thing of brain rot

01:30:30.780 Genuinely

01:30:31.280 Yeah, there you go

01:30:32.360 I refuse to call my children gen beta

01:30:34.620 I'm gonna look up

01:30:36.040 That does feel like bullying, doesn't it?

01:30:37.680 Yeah, it's like nominative determinism

01:30:38.820 When does alpha end and beta

01:30:40.640 Alpha's already ended

01:30:41.280 But when does beta start?

01:30:42.560 Alpha's already ended

01:30:43.200 Which year does beta start?

01:30:45.060 I think beta started two years ago

01:30:46.780 Alpha's the shortest gen

01:30:47.980 Okay, so my daughter is an alpha

01:30:49.620 Okay, glad to hear it

01:30:50.780 Thank God

01:30:51.320 God, you wouldn't want to have a beta kid, would you?

01:30:53.600 No

01:30:53.780 But now it means all of my future children

01:30:56.160 Gen B's better

01:30:56.840 Well at least you've got one alpha to rule them all

01:30:59.780 Yeah but it's my daughter

01:31:01.320 When I eventually have a son he's going to be labelled beta for life

01:31:04.520 It's horrible

01:31:05.160 You do some of your comments while I google what 6-7 means

01:31:08.760 Harry do you want to do yours

01:31:10.440 Because I haven't got a mouse or anything

01:31:11.740 Oh yeah sure

01:31:12.820 We've also gone over time already

01:31:15.760 Yeah I haven't found out what 6-7 means

01:31:17.920 I still

01:31:19.140 It doesn't mean anything

01:31:21.920 we've known for ages social media hits the same neurons as gambling and that's by by design the

01:31:29.100 way it works in the small pause between you posting a tiktok video and it getting you a

01:31:32.860 ping sound is exactly mapped out to offer that dopamine hit i'm sure that the internal studies

01:31:37.600 that these people have done in these companies is to literally fine tune all of those responses so

01:31:43.960 they can design the whole thing to hit every single one of them as perfectly as possible

01:31:47.800 so yes of course it's incredibly addictive and that's by design so the withdrawals are also real

01:31:52.020 it's indeed just another form of gambling addiction giving the same anticipation reward brain spike

01:31:56.440 and has been optimized as much as possible to make people come keep coming back absolutely right

01:32:01.840 um then scotty if you watch the video all the way through to the end it hijacks your brain

01:32:07.620 podcast of the prefrontal cortex eaters that was josh's alternative name uh yes yes uh arizona

01:32:15.240 a desert rat how is brain rot affecting children extremely short attention spans and very poor

01:32:19.600 emotional regulation ask any teacher they can spot a screen baby within two minutes on the first day

01:32:24.060 of class yeah absolutely true um i won't name any names i know some people uh who basically have

01:32:31.060 screen children um and the difference between their children's behavior and my daughter's

01:32:38.820 behavior who is not raised with a screen in front of her face 24 7 uh only has about an hour of

01:32:44.560 television time to watch stuff like bluey uh and otherwise goes outside and plays at the park or

01:32:50.500 plays with all of her toys at home is night and day it it is night and day it's shocking just how

01:32:57.700 poorly behaved the screen children are uh and it worries me when she goes into a larger social

01:33:04.200 environment how many of those people that she's going to be interacting with day to day i have a

01:33:08.760 family member who works in a primary school and they said to me that at the end of term remember

01:33:12.460 when teachers couldn't be bothered on the last day

01:33:14.100 you used to put a film on.

01:33:15.320 Kids don't like the films anymore

01:33:16.400 because you can't pay attention long enough.

01:33:19.060 I can't figure out what 6'7 means.

01:33:21.660 I've looked it up.

01:33:23.100 Dan, it doesn't mean anything.

01:33:23.880 No, Dan, it actually doesn't mean anything.

01:33:27.140 It just sort of spontaneously spawned

01:33:29.340 into the internet discord.

01:33:30.360 Well, according to Fictagius,

01:33:31.880 6'7 was to do with a basketball player

01:33:33.900 being asked how tall he is.

01:33:36.700 He said, around 6'7 while doing the arm thing,

01:33:39.680 what is the arm thing?

01:33:40.760 Did you throw a little quick

01:33:42.720 It just caught on

01:33:46.020 Unlikely

01:33:46.800 Whole classrooms of gen alpha throwing Romans

01:33:50.180 Maybe you're going to get

01:33:50.920 What doing that

01:33:52.760 Samson why do you know so much about this

01:33:55.340 Is that why you go

01:33:57.020 I've not even heard of this part

01:33:59.440 I'm not a boomer

01:34:00.600 Anyway I'll just say it into the camera

01:34:03.060 6-7

01:34:04.880 Now you can use me in your brain rot

01:34:06.740 Edits you fuckers

01:34:08.940 Well, at least it'll drown out the rape clip going around.

01:34:13.020 What?

01:34:13.780 Yeah, Harry's clip has been made into a meme.

01:34:16.240 Oh, is that still going around?

01:34:18.840 It wasn't filmed here.

01:34:19.840 Oh, you've got it saved.

01:34:20.940 You've got it saved.

01:34:23.560 Yeah, I mean, I also did the thing where it's like,

01:34:25.840 oh, mummy, everybody thinks that's special.

01:34:27.720 I'm special, mummy, which I did on Bo Show this morning,

01:34:30.240 which is almost certainly going to get clipped as well.

01:34:32.200 I forgot we were still on air, to be honest.

01:34:33.940 Yeah.

01:34:34.400 Oh, shit, we're on air, aren't we?

01:34:37.200 Could we change that, Samson?

01:34:38.780 And could we stop being on air now?

01:34:41.220 Thanks for watching us.

01:34:42.140 Cheers.

01:34:42.520 Sorry for the brain rot.

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - August 19, 2026

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1487

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