The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1503

00:00:00.140 Good afternoon and welcome to the podcast of Lotus Eaters episode 1503.

00:00:05.400 I'm your host Harry, joined today by Firaz, Connor, and special first-time guest Edward McLaren.

00:00:12.720 Thank you for coming on, you are the author of Botelford's Gone, which we will be doing some videos on after this podcast.

00:00:19.140 I'm aware that Samson tells me that there might be some...

00:00:22.820 Oh, no, apparently we have managed to exterminate the mice in the wires.

00:00:27.180 The bugs in the system have been dealt with, so we might have had to switch off.

00:00:32.720 We don't have to now.

00:00:33.600 Gremlin Free Podcast.

00:00:34.660 Gremlin Free Podcast.

00:00:36.260 Thank goodness for that.

00:00:38.260 Sorry for being late, everybody.

00:00:40.160 But we are going to today be talking about the Haaretz article alleging that Netanyahu

00:00:44.880 knew about October 7th before it actually happened, which I think is actually, what,

00:00:49.820 the third or fourth case of a major news publication?

00:00:53.260 Yes.

00:00:53.400 Especially Haaretz alleging that using different information.

00:00:56.720 Yes, so now there's a bunch of evidence which we're going to go through.

00:01:00.040 Now there's a new one.

00:01:01.200 We're going to be talking about the grooming gang's links to organized crime.

00:01:05.300 Yep, there's now a new national crime network that shows it's just happening everywhere.

00:01:09.620 Fantastic.

00:01:10.600 And I'm going to be talking about the sole holdout on the Lindsay Clancy jury, codenamed Giga Chad.

00:01:17.780 And with that, let's get into the news.

00:01:20.800 Very good.

00:01:22.220 So Haaretz came up with a pretty extensive report

00:01:27.060 covering what Netanyahu knew before the 7th of October.

00:01:34.860 This was written by Shlomi Eldar and Ruth Yuval.

00:01:39.420 Haaretz, for those of you who don't know,

00:01:41.480 is a pretty left-wing Israeli newspaper.

00:01:44.440 From the Jewish Guardian.

00:01:45.460 It's like the Jewish Guardian, yes, very much.

00:01:48.280 Pretty hostile to Netanyahu,

00:01:50.640 But one of the key details in this report, and I'll go into it in some depth,

00:01:55.580 ended up being confirmed by a completely different publication,

00:01:59.060 the Times of Israel, which is closer to the center,

00:02:02.500 and the left wing still, but closer to the center.

00:02:04.980 And the key detail here is that the president of the UAE,

00:02:09.520 Mohammed bin Zayed, called Netanyahu and gave him a 45-minute briefing

00:02:15.040 explaining why he thought that a major attack from Hamas was coming

00:02:19.800 10 days before the 7th of October.

00:02:23.420 Now, this detail is contested by Netanyahu.

00:02:26.380 He is saying that he intends to sue Haaretz over this

00:02:30.760 and that this is completely fictional.

00:02:34.420 I think in one of his posts, he uses the phrase blood libel.

00:02:39.700 And what this rests on is the idea that in the prime minister's logs,

00:02:45.220 there was no log of a call with Mohammed bin Zayed at that date.

00:02:52.240 However, this is kind of refuted by an entirely different publication confirming that the call happened.

00:02:59.660 And also, wouldn't there be confirmation on the side of the UAE that this would have taken place?

00:03:03.880 If we're just relying on Netanyahu's accounts of this,

00:03:06.540 if it's an inconvenient call to have taken place,

00:03:09.840 I'm not saying whether or not it did, but he could have just omitted it.

00:03:13.280 He could have just omitted it. The UAE hasn't confirmed or denied anything. One of the supposed sources for the article might be one of the sources. He isn't named. But we've assumed that it's Mohammed Dahalan, who is from Gaza, who is an advisor for the UAE. He's come out and said, no, no, no, this isn't true. So that's important to note.

00:03:33.920 but the point that i want to make is that there was an extensive list of warnings not just one

00:03:41.060 and there is really something there that can't be dismissed i mean wasn't there an internal idf

00:03:48.520 investigation into it what a year and a half ago that came to the conclusion that while they didn't

00:03:54.160 specifically know that this exact event was going to happen they didn't know yes that they basically

00:03:59.960 did and chose not to do anything, or that the IDF itself had a number of weaknesses that didn't need

00:04:05.760 to be there in their defences. So that investigation came from Yediyot Aharonot, which is pretty much

00:04:12.500 a right-wing newspaper in Israel. The article here in Hebrew refuses to translate on some browsers,

00:04:18.580 it does on others, and it kind of gives the official narrative, which is that this was a bit

00:04:26.520 of a surprise for the Israelis. There were calls between senior officials in the IDF and the Shin

00:04:32.540 Bet, the internal security forces of Israel. The reason was that after midnight on the 7th of

00:04:39.180 October, the Israeli intelligence community received several significant indicators. These

00:04:45.260 signs were added to a few more indicators that began to flash, but none of them was a clear

00:04:51.300 warning of war, supposedly. Although we will see in a minute that one of them was a very obvious

00:04:56.300 indication of war. Despite these concerns, the senior intelligence source stated at 3.10 a.m.,

00:05:02.720 we still believe that the Hamas leadership in Gaza is not headed for escalation. So they thought

00:05:09.040 at the time that this was another exercise by Hamas. They had done a couple of them, including

00:05:14.720 over the previous Jewish Passover, that showed like they were getting ready for a major attack

00:05:21.780 The assessment at the time was this is a training exercise to put pressure on Israel, not to actually conduct an attack.

00:05:28.460 And we'll see in a moment why they wanted to put pressure.

00:05:31.520 These signs worried the commander of the Gaza Division, the unit defending the border, Brigadier General Avi Rosenfeld.

00:05:39.180 He was on duty that weekend.

00:05:40.600 He summoned his senior commanders, including the top brigade commanders, the divisional intelligence officer, the engineering officer, and others.

00:05:50.060 when they arrived they took steps to increase the alert at the border okay however they plan

00:05:57.420 to take additional alerts along the border and near the community but they were asked by the

00:06:05.620 general staff not to take noisy steps not to take steps that would be too obvious that they were

00:06:12.260 preparing meaning okay you have permission to slightly increase the defenses that you have

00:06:18.680 but don't increase them too much. This is still the official story before the Haaretz story broke

00:06:24.320 out and what it suggests is that the top leadership of the military just didn't really

00:06:31.220 want them to increase their preparedness at that last moment. Now one of the key indicators in all

00:06:37.300 of this which was reported by multiple sources in Israel well before the Haaretz article

00:06:41.480 was that the assumption was that there was going to be a Hamas attack at some point

00:06:46.900 And one of the big indicators was going to be Hamas activating a bunch of new telephone lines.

00:06:55.100 And these would be Israeli SIM cards that, when activated en masse, would mean that a major attack is happening.

00:07:03.360 This indicator happened, and even after it happened, they did almost nothing. 0.58

00:07:11.040 What would be their rationale for that? Would it be that if they increased their border patrol presence, it would act as a sort of provocation to Hamas, so they didn't want to preemptively engage them in conflict? What would be their, are they given one?

00:07:25.640 Not really.

00:07:26.460 Okay.

00:07:26.960 Not a really obvious one.

00:07:29.440 Even in the highest command post of the IDF,

00:07:33.300 there were a bunch of top officials summoned at 4 a.m.,

00:07:39.120 and the Air Force was ordered to reinforce and to get ready

00:07:43.000 and to send drones in the air, but they sent unarmed drones.

00:07:48.140 And one of the big criticisms of the Israeli military

00:07:50.740 in the first hours of 7 October was that the Air Force was absent.

00:07:54.880 the air force just didn't engage. Then there's the issue of Netanyahu himself and what he was

00:08:01.680 doing. He was alerted of the attack immediately when it happened at 6.30 in the morning. The

00:08:13.260 attack kicked off at 6.26 in the morning, but it took him until almost 10 a.m., 9 a.m. to arrive

00:08:20.360 with the military commanders and start commanding action, and his claim was that he wasn't woken up

00:08:26.640 on time. But the military command contacted Major General Avi Gill, who is the main liaison between

00:08:34.900 Netanyahu and the military, and he said, I'm waking up the prime minister now. This is huge.

00:08:40.280 So it took him two or three hours to actually arrive and start organizing the leadership for

00:08:46.860 reaction to this attack. The Israelis say that this was a total surprise, that they didn't expect

00:08:52.800 it in any way, but it's worth remembering the broader context. And the broader context is sort

00:08:59.160 of provided here. From 2017, Hamas under this guy, Sinwar, was negotiating with the Israelis trying

00:09:07.560 to say, we will do a prisoner exchange, because Hamas had already had four Israeli prisoners

00:09:12.540 that they were trying to exchange for Palestinian prisoners.

00:09:15.900 With the prisoner exchange, we will make a deal to sort of reduce restrictions on Gaza.

00:09:21.680 And the Israeli military was constantly criticizing Netanyahu

00:09:25.200 for refusing to authorize a major attack on Hamas.

00:09:28.700 This was the main criticism from the Israeli military,

00:09:32.120 2017, 2018, all through COVID, and then afterwards.

00:09:36.600 Basically, you're not allowing us to engage in a massive operation against Hamas, 0.82

00:09:41.140 which we want to engage in.

00:09:42.080 which would be preemptive, but would probably invite more criticism from the international

00:09:46.720 press. Which would invite more criticism, which would invite domestic criticism, et cetera, et

00:09:50.960 cetera. And yeah, and then a couple of years before, because I remember covering this with

00:09:54.140 Harry, and also when I visited the country, there was a big hoo-ha about the judicial reform,

00:10:00.460 which is still being hotly debated. That was also something that was undermining his polling

00:10:05.080 numbers. Massively.

00:10:06.400 So he was in a precarious domestic position. So he was in a very difficult domestic position.

00:10:10.480 He was indicted, wasn't he? He was indicted a bunch of times. And there were massive street

00:10:16.480 protests throughout Israel over Netanyahu's attempts to change the composition of the

00:10:22.060 judiciary and to weaken the power of the judiciary vis-a-vis the government, which I would argue

00:10:28.380 was actually making the country more democratic. Like the judiciary was intervening in Israeli 0.54

00:10:34.160 politics in a way that wasn't democratic and didn't allow the government to fulfill its band-aid.

00:10:39.960 Netanyahu was trying to correct that,

00:10:41.600 but that split Israeli society massively

00:10:43.840 and caused insane division.

00:10:46.700 And Hamas had been warning,

00:10:49.040 a year before October 7,

00:10:51.340 we are going to do something massive.

00:10:53.960 Not just that, in 2018,

00:10:57.020 the Israelis knew what Hamas' plan was for October 7.

00:11:01.800 It was an operation breaking the walls of Jericho,

00:11:06.360 or something to that effect,

00:11:07.820 depending on how you translate it.

00:11:09.320 And it was intended to basically launch out of Gaza and conduct a massive attack.

00:11:16.580 And this operation was known and warnings about it were issued back in 2018 and then again in 2022.

00:11:25.360 And the plans have been recycled for Al-Aqsa flood, right?

00:11:27.980 Yes. And that same plan was essentially recycled for the Al-Aqsa flood.

00:11:32.780 So this is, you know, where we are. 0.86

00:11:35.300 And then when Blinken shows up in Israel, he says that he's condemning Hamas and he's arriving there as a Jew.

00:11:43.320 I come before you not only as the U.S. Secretary of State, but also as a Jew.

00:11:47.720 My grandfather fled pogroms in Russia.

00:11:49.900 My stepfather survived the Nazi concentration camps.

00:11:54.300 And saying to Netanyahu, I understand on a personal level the harrowing echoes that Hamas' massacres carry for Israeli Jews, indeed for Jews everywhere.

00:12:02.600 I come as a husband and father of young children.

00:12:06.740 It's impossible for me to look at the photos of families killed,

00:12:09.920 and there were families killed,

00:12:11.720 and there were horrific atrocities committed by Hamas,

00:12:14.820 and a lot of innocent people died.

00:12:16.540 This is not in dispute,

00:12:18.300 such as those who were murdered in Kibbutz near Oz,

00:12:22.340 and not think of my own children.

00:12:25.580 Now, let's explain what the warning was.

00:12:29.740 Yes, Netanyahu says that he was going to sue Haaretz, but let's explain what is really being discussed here and at what level it was.

00:12:38.140 Because the way Netanyahu is framing his denial of having received a warning is that only he received a warning from the UAE and nobody was informed about it.

00:12:48.980 No one else is in the situation room.

00:12:50.860 The way that the defense is, hold on, the way that Netanyahu here is attacking Haaretz is by saying that I didn't have a call with the UAE president.

00:13:06.640 Right.

00:13:07.000 But the claims that are made by Haaretz are actually a lot more extensive than that.

00:13:11.840 Well, the CIA are also alleged to have been informed about it as well, weren't they?

00:13:15.800 So MBZ also informed the Americans of this threat.

00:13:20.020 As you would.

00:13:20.860 as you would, exactly. And so it's a little more extensive than that, because the issue that

00:13:26.220 Netanyahu is denying is just this 45-minute phone call from the president of the UAE to him.

00:13:33.580 But that wasn't all of it. What also happened was that the people around Mohammed bin Zayed,

00:13:41.100 who had received direct threats from Hamas, with the leader of Hamas saying to them,

00:13:48.860 tell the Israelis my exact words, there is going to be an earthquake, I am complaining a surprise 0.67

00:13:56.480 that they will never imagine, that they will never recover from, pass this on to the Israelis, 0.53

00:14:03.120 make them make a deal based on the negotiations that have been happening since 2017,

00:14:08.160 or I'm going to unleash the surprise. And the Haaretz reporting is that the officials

00:14:15.400 with Mohammed bin Zayed, the president of the UAE,

00:14:19.460 actually went to the Israeli security leadership as well

00:14:24.460 and conveyed to them that warning.

00:14:27.020 So a lot of the political football in Israel is over who knew what where.

00:14:32.420 Netanyahu keeps on blaming the military and the intelligence services

00:14:35.540 for not informing him on time.

00:14:38.340 Some of the intelligence services, like Ronan Bar,

00:14:41.800 blame Netanyahu for not listening to their warnings.

00:14:44.300 and we will get to that in a moment it sounds like they all need but what i'm not to do that's

00:14:49.560 exactly what the haret's reporting is that's exactly what the haret's reporting is and it's

00:14:55.840 based on the idea that a deal had been finalized with hamas and had been ready for a pretty long

00:15:03.060 time but netanyahu constantly refused to actually close it because because he didn't want to make

00:15:10.320 any concessions to Hamas that would allow them to legitimize themselves as a government in Gaza

00:15:16.260 and that would maintain some kind of stability between Israel and Gaza. And that would also

00:15:22.820 preclude the possibility of territorial expansion and attacking other Iranian proxies in the region

00:15:27.800 which they saw as comparable threats as well. Exactly. What truth is there to the claims that

00:15:31.840 Netanyahu kind of in a clandestine manner allowed Hamas to rise up within Gaza in the first place

00:15:38.120 in the mid-2000s, so he didn't have to deal with potentially less terroristic opposition.

00:15:44.480 He's on record saying that this suits us, basically. And the Qataris keep on saying 0.92

00:15:51.360 that, yes, we were paying Hamas. Netanyahu told us to. And we were flying into Israel with suitcases

00:15:58.720 of cash and then taking them to Hamas because this is what the Israelis wanted us to do. 0.57

00:16:03.120 So the Qatari claim here is just like the Saudi claim with regards to the jihad.

00:16:08.800 The Saudis say that with regards to the jihadis in the 80s that came out of Afghanistan,

00:16:13.300 we were in a full partnership.

00:16:15.180 You told us to send Mujahideen to fight the Soviets. 0.74

00:16:17.980 We did. 1.00

00:16:19.600 And this is true.

00:16:21.360 And Hillary Clinton admitted it. 0.76

00:16:23.680 And the Qataris are saying the Israelis told us to pay Hamas and we paid them 0.57

00:16:28.160 because this is what we were told to do. 1.00

00:16:31.280 So this is important.

00:16:32.720 In September 2023, the leader of Hamas had a meeting with a senior official in a different

00:16:40.920 Palestinian organization that is much closer to the Israelis. And he said, tell the Israelis that

00:16:46.380 if they don't make progress on this deal that's been sort of in the works for several years now,

00:16:52.200 I'm preparing a huge surprise for them. Tell them to expect an earthquake.

00:16:57.140 And this guy panics, and he doesn't know what to do, and he tells his leadership, he tells other people in the UAE that this is happening, because the UAE is funding that side of the Palestinians, the Qataris are funding the Hamas side.

00:17:14.500 The president of the UAE has it confirmed, and then sends the same guy to another meeting, and they conclude that he means that he is launching an all-out war.

00:17:23.060 and then the palestinian the palestinian guy and the uae contact the israelis and they tell them

00:17:32.980 there is going to be a war and they don't just contact netanyahu which is what he's suing haaretz

00:17:38.040 over they also contact the shin bet and the shin bet that organize a meeting with the military

00:17:44.040 intelligence the minister of defense and all of security officialdom so and tell them that this

00:17:51.380 threat is coming from Hamas and they are planning on doing something and you had seen them do

00:17:58.040 exercises on this operation in the preceding months the conclusion that people will therefore 0.78

00:18:03.440 draw is if it wasn't an executive decision by Netanyahu to ignore it and the intel and therefore

00:18:09.700 the decision-making power was dispersed that lots of people would have purposefully sat on their

00:18:14.000 hands with advanced knowledge of it and then of course lots of the Israeli public especially ahead

00:18:18.400 of the October election for Netanyahu

00:18:20.160 are going to get pretty angry about that because

00:18:22.120 so when I went out there, they took the entire

00:18:24.520 group to the October the 7th massacre

00:18:26.400 site. They've got a massive memorial and they've got

00:18:28.040 headstones with eulogies

00:18:30.580 for the people that killed them. It's genuinely really sad stuff.

00:18:32.800 It's my out group, but I still have

00:18:34.460 a bit of Christian feeling for grieving families.

00:18:36.460 I can only imagine the grief that

00:18:38.060 Jews in Israel felt.

00:18:40.200 It's a quite small country. Many of them would have 1.00

00:18:42.460 known someone even got taken hostage or killed.

00:18:44.900 And so regardless of

00:18:46.500 whether it was Netanyahu exclusively

00:18:48.380 or his broader cabinet, his military that made this decision.

00:18:51.320 There will be political consequences for him for this.

00:18:54.240 Yes.

00:18:55.000 And this is timed to coincide with the Israeli elections.

00:18:58.240 Like nobody's attributing the milk of human kindness to Haaretz.

00:19:02.720 They are doing this because they're journalists

00:19:04.940 and they're also doing this because they hate Netanyahu.

00:19:07.700 So this is true.

00:19:09.260 But the allegations within what Haaretz are saying

00:19:12.020 actually implicate more than just Netanyahu.

00:19:15.380 That's the point.

00:19:16.320 and just in case that there is any doubt about this um here we have the bbc saying that the

00:19:27.020 head of a um which committee the u.s house of representatives foreign affairs committee so

00:19:33.340 was this the date uh what day was this i think it was a 12th of october 2023 was it this article

00:19:39.720 which one this one that we're looking at right now just scroll this one is 12 october 2023 so

00:19:44.540 So five days after it happened? Five days after it happened,

00:19:48.240 the U.S. House of Representatives Foreign Affairs Committee lead

00:19:54.140 says that the Egyptians had warned the Israelis that there was going to be a major attack

00:20:01.560 coming very soon. On the 4th of October? They'd warned them on the 4th of October,

00:20:06.380 three days before the attack happened. And this warning wasn't given by anybody.

00:20:11.760 This warning was given by Abbas Kamil, the number two man in the Egyptian regime.

00:20:17.880 So there's Sisi at the top, who was a former intelligence guy.

00:20:21.220 And then there is Abbas Kamil, who is an intelligence guy.

00:20:24.740 He is now the coordinator of all the security services.

00:20:27.160 At the time, he was the head of the General Intelligence Directorate in Egypt, which is

00:20:31.700 the actual power that governs Egypt.

00:20:33.940 They're the ones who run the media. 0.86

00:20:35.440 They run a lot of the corruption.

00:20:36.680 They run all kinds of things.

00:20:37.920 So the number one guy in the UAE and the number two guy in Egypt both contacted Netanyahu separately, one ten days, one three days before the events of 7 October, and told him something insane was going to come out of Gaza. 0.72

00:20:58.940 And this is kind of important because the Israelis knew exactly how Hamas was going to surprise them. 0.51

00:21:06.580 They knew, and you see the operations division chief of the Israeli defense forces, Yaron Finkelman, he says we've had this plan, that the Jericho wall plan that Hamas had been planning since 2018. 0.67

00:21:25.080 we know that they're going to try to surprise us 0.83

00:21:28.880 and that means that they're probably going to do it

00:21:31.420 at a time when we are less ready

00:21:32.780 which logically would imply

00:21:35.040 that you want to maximize your readiness

00:21:36.520 because you know that this is going to happen

00:21:39.500 and then on the day itself

00:21:42.320 of October 7

00:21:44.300 he concludes the same guy

00:21:46.420 actually no it's probably just a Hamas training exercise

00:21:49.040 or inconvenient

00:21:52.340 I mean, narratively, it's extremely interesting to have this come out now of all times.

00:21:59.540 So, like Harry said, the first time it came out was five days after the events.

00:22:05.360 But now this is obviously part of the plan to influence the Israeli elections in favor of the left.

00:22:12.040 I mean, more in the sense that after it first came out, you know, the thing was effectively memory hold or you weren't allowed to speak about it because it was too offensive.

00:22:21.180 And yet you could well compare what October 7th is to the Iran war to what Pearl Harbor was to World War II.

00:22:29.740 It is the very mythological basis in a Sorelian sense for any conflict going on at all.

00:22:35.960 So, you know, maybe this is a conspiratorial lens that I'm looking through things with.

00:22:40.800 However, it feels like there is a sort of counter-Netanyahu, maybe Ehud-Baracka-lined faction alongside probably sections of US intelligence that is just thinking, okay, he's gone way too far.

00:22:54.860 Our military bases have been destroyed in Iran already.

00:22:58.020 We need to pull out of that conflict, and as a result, we need to remove someone whose only basis for being in power is continuing imperial policy against Palestine.

00:23:07.520 Can I bolster that theory as well

00:23:09.720 by referencing Rory's excellent sub-stack

00:23:11.780 which we don't promote enough on the podcast

00:23:13.220 Rory wrote a really good piece, it was a two-parter

00:23:15.820 actually, basically on what the purpose

00:23:17.920 of Tucker Carlson's show is

00:23:19.020 and he draws on Frank Kitson's book

00:23:21.300 about counter-insurgency within institutions

00:23:23.700 and he says essentially what the CIA have got

00:23:25.800 at the moment is a counter-gang

00:23:27.280 it's a group

00:23:29.840 of competing elites

00:23:31.660 who disagree with the neoconservative

00:23:33.740 Israel Azar stationary

00:23:35.540 aircraft carrier in the Middle East

00:23:37.680 foreign policy. And so they want to use

00:23:39.840 this fiasco

00:23:41.700 that's followed October the 7th from America's involvement

00:23:43.820 in the Iran war, getting dragged into that,

00:23:45.720 as a pretext to judo-flip American relations

00:23:47.760 to reorient towards China. And this is something

00:23:49.740 you've been talking about for a long time, where the THAAD missile

00:23:51.720 systems have been drawn away from defending

00:23:53.780 South Korea, Taiwan, etc.

00:23:56.860 Meaning that the South China Sea

00:23:58.100 is like a complete

00:23:59.380 basket case, should America decide to engage, and back

00:24:01.920 towards Israel. And now they've been exhausted, and as

00:24:03.880 You've said the military bases have been desolated in the Middle East,

00:24:06.680 casualties are too high.

00:24:07.620 So how much of this could be coordinated with Americans

00:24:12.760 who would quite like to see Netanyahu out of the way?

00:24:15.800 I mean, you see that also in the new sanctions on Israel,

00:24:18.620 which came out of Britain and 11 other countries,

00:24:21.840 which the Americans haven't really made that many objections to.

00:24:24.980 Trump didn't disavow it.

00:24:26.100 Trump didn't...

00:24:26.780 He said, I understand.

00:24:27.880 Yeah, for me, that was the smoking gun.

00:24:30.060 And so...

00:24:30.720 It could have just been seen as, oh, Britain and Europe are going, 1.00

00:24:33.880 a little bit left the field as they always pandering to the muslims yeah they're pandering 0.98

00:24:37.560 to some of their demographics and oh no trump just stood aside and let them despite being

00:24:42.300 informed beforehand it was going to happen oh okay and they had that leaked phone call as well

00:24:46.060 where leaked phone call um i think it's published in axios first which has lots of connections to

00:24:50.800 the white house where trump was apparently berating bb over the phone saying what the

00:24:54.420 f are you doing like you're everybody hates israel now exactly yeah yeah no absolutely but i just

00:25:00.000 want to go over this excellent excellent summary from an israeli newspaper closer to the right

00:25:06.120 than it is to the left and here's what they have to say uh they mention all of the previous hamas

00:25:13.560 plans from dating back from whenever and then they say in july 2023 three months before the attack

00:25:20.240 the military intelligence directorate ward netanyahu directly and personally several times

00:25:25.760 about the serious new security consequences that have emerged in recent months. One letter said

00:25:31.560 Israel's enemies saw a historic opportunity to strange the strategic situation in the region

00:25:35.860 because of the severe crisis within Israel. The Shin Bet chief told Netanyahu on 24 July 2023,

00:25:44.140 three months before the attack, I am giving you a warning of war here. I cannot give you an exact

00:25:49.400 day or hour, but this is the warning. Two weeks before Hamas's attack, the opposition leader

00:25:55.480 gave a warning speech saying, we are getting dangerously close to violent multi-front

00:26:01.440 confrontation. The recent events near the Gaza border fence are exactly the kind that have led

00:26:06.860 to rounds of fighting in the past. All the heads of the security establishment, the IDF, the Shinbet,

00:26:12.540 the police, and the intelligence agencies are warning the government and the cabinet about a

00:26:17.060 violent escalation. And then he goes on to attack some of his political enemies, Benvira and Smotrich.

00:26:22.920 And he says, afterwards, I was at a security briefing for the opposition leader with the

00:26:28.460 prime minister, and the information I heard horrified me. When you have the basic information

00:26:34.300 available at the prime minister's level, you also know where to look. That I went three or four

00:26:39.380 times to the Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee to read the intelligence materials. It was all in

00:26:45.000 the material all the warnings that on top of the egyptians warning them i forget who made the joke

00:26:54.040 in the office a few minutes before we went live but um the israelis aren't exactly known as being

00:26:57.840 sloppy on their intelligence no no on top of that on the day of 7 october only 600 soldiers

00:27:05.840 were deployed to the gaza border because a huge number of soldiers were on leave because of

00:27:11.160 Jewish holidays. What's the usual figures? Multiples of that, I would say, or many more than

00:27:16.460 that. And then two days before the Gaza war began, before 7 October, two commando companies were

00:27:28.240 moved from Gaza to the West Bank, to the opposite side of the country. Now, the function of these

00:27:34.820 commando units is to stop a major Palestinian incursion by providing backup. They're not part 0.61

00:27:41.620 of the routine patrolling. They're not part of the routine monitoring of the border. That's not

00:27:47.800 their job. Their job is to be there as a second line of defense in case there was some major

00:27:56.180 attack by the Palestinians. And two days before that, they were moved to a, I would 0.98

00:28:04.760 argue, insignificant town in the West Bank called Hawara, leaving the Israeli forces

00:28:11.760 on the border with no backup.

00:28:13.960 What was going on in Hawara?

00:28:19.900 Some protesting and rioting by the Palestinians, which could have easily been handled by a

00:28:25.680 normal infantry unit right a hundred i mean an elite two elite units were removed yeah i mean

00:28:36.160 and plonked on the other side of the country these these are some do a sort of quasi-policing

00:28:42.240 function these are some of the same divisions they've been sending into the tunnels to like

00:28:45.040 get the hostages yes yes that level yes these are the the the i mean the israeli regular infantry

00:28:52.160 leave something to be desired the israeli commandos are genuinely elite top level soldiers

00:28:59.120 um and now trump's advisors are saying to him that the iran war might outlive his presidency

00:29:08.720 do you expect it to be wound down somewhat if netanyahu gets voted out not necessarily they

00:29:13.520 don't really have a way out there there there there isn't an easy way out for anyone here

00:29:18.240 And so this war wouldn't have started without 7 October.

00:29:25.020 It was during this war that the Israelis first bombed the Iranian consulate in Damascus, 0.81

00:29:32.640 drawing first blood from the Iranians.

00:29:35.040 This led to the Iranians retaliating directly against Israel in April of 2024.

00:29:41.920 and then it led to the bigger Israeli exchanges

00:29:47.680 with the Iranians

00:29:48.620 and then it eventually led to Operation Midnight Hammer

00:29:51.480 and then it led to this war.

00:29:54.380 And now the regime is putting the October 7th away.

00:29:57.540 And now October 7th is sort of being blamed

00:30:01.140 just on Netanyahu

00:30:02.280 rather than the entire military leadership

00:30:06.000 and intelligence leadership

00:30:06.940 that was clearly warned of this.

00:30:08.380 and we know that they received multiple warnings from the uae and egypt their main allies in the

00:30:15.020 region telling them this was happening and uh don't think about it too much well that that sort

00:30:22.740 of blame can also be um telegraphed on netanyahu from the two instances so rubio coming out

00:30:29.040 immediately afterwards and saying well the the israelis are gonna gonna go in whether we were

00:30:32.940 behind them or not so we sort of they dragged us into it and um marco rubio is not exactly known as

00:30:37.940 an anti-Semitic conspiracy theorist let's put it that way and then there was the lengthy piece

00:30:42.480 published in the New York Times which was a write-up of the situation briefing where the

00:30:46.700 head of Mossad and Netanyahu met in person and zoomed in trying to persuade Trump that the

00:30:52.620 entire country was on the on the brink of yes revolution because the Iraqi Kurds were succeeding

00:30:56.740 in the in their insurgency on the Iranian border and it was well reported that Rubio Vance and I

00:31:04.000 think it was john ratcliffe turned around and said this is bs so that seemed a bit of

00:31:08.320 pardon the french ass covering yes so yes so that's uh that's what we have

00:31:16.320 i'm gonna go through some of the rumble rants yes why not uh oxydor i may be remembering 0.80

00:31:23.700 incorrectly but the series of events leading up to attacks sounds like what the 9-11 commission

00:31:28.300 found for 9-11 well that anniversary is tomorrow uh why does every time we get more information

00:31:33.980 of 7 october it feels more and more like lives were deliberately sacrificed to justify other

00:31:41.260 things uh israel is that kid in school who picks fights with everyone because their big bro always

00:31:49.580 steps in to fight for them the uae is the kid who wants to hang out with the cool kids by being a

00:31:54.780 drug mule yeah fair enough not a bad write-up uh fun fact october 7th is also vladimir putin's

00:32:03.500 birthday what could hamas mean by this is it i didn't know that i don't know someone's gonna

00:32:08.340 have to check that the grand puppet hand it was him all along ed davy vindicated it's always putin

00:32:13.620 yeah can we swap the segments samson please go down wonderful um so we have been reporting quite

00:32:22.580 a lot on the grooming gangs here on this podcast it's not exactly a cheery subject but hey it's

00:32:27.380 modern britain there's very rarely good news and i thought it was pertinent to discuss this topic

00:32:31.180 especially because um ed you've taken uh i had to say keen interest in this but you've been

00:32:37.500 investigating this topic quite a long while as have i and you turned it into a into a fiction

00:32:41.080 book as well um unfortunately reality is even more perverse than fiction because we're still getting

00:32:47.460 lots and lots of prosecutions for the grooming gangs here are just some of the most recent ones so

00:32:52.580 here's one uh this is third of august 2026 indeed and well the names are as you'd expect

00:32:59.940 mustafa iqbal muhammad arshad zia zi ziula uh but the allah badger last year jaz winder singh

00:33:08.920 was quite conspicuous uh were convicted of 28 counts of rape conspiracy to traffic their victims

00:33:13.560 uh age 14 15 and 16 and then there was who i can only assume is the drug addicted madam who often

00:33:19.220 procured the girls for them, Sarah Gray found guilty of perverting the course of justice and 1.00

00:33:23.160 assisting an offender. Prosecutor Owen Edwards said the men used the three girls named as

00:33:28.420 Charles A, B and C like sexual commodities. The court heard the teenagers were given drugs and

00:33:33.360 abused in cars, homes and businesses in Ring, Denbenshire and the surrounding area between

00:33:38.380 April 2022 and March 2024. Bad Shah, who came to Rill as a refugee from Pakistan, so this is one of

00:33:44.300 ones that stuck out to me every single time uh when he was 15 so oh we got taken the poor child 0.83

00:33:51.140 refugees raise them in british values they'll become just like us as uh tim montgomery reliably 0.73

00:33:55.240 informed me yesterday um he admitted to kissing child b and c and on later occasions um having

00:34:00.420 abusing child b at his home uh this isn't the only one in the last month actually there's uh

00:34:07.700 two or three more cases as well there's an investigation in gwent so in wales um yeah 1.00

00:34:13.240 Again, reminder, there are more Indians and Pakistanis in Britain

00:34:16.120 than there are Welsh people in Britain now. 0.69

00:34:18.380 So, what a betrayal that was inflicted on us. 0.96

00:34:21.080 Yep, and now, of course, Wales gets its fair share of diversity

00:34:24.620 atop of Axel Riddicabana as well.

00:34:26.640 This is now eight men who have been charged for more than 30 offences

00:34:29.440 as part of an investigation into child exploitation.

00:34:32.520 They took place across Newport, Abergavenny, and Swansea in the 80s and 90s.

00:34:37.180 So we're only just catching up with the historic cases now.

00:34:39.860 The men were aged 54 to 73.

00:34:41.940 all British citizens.

00:34:43.900 Aha, they're just as British as you and me.

00:34:45.780 Of course.

00:34:46.280 I wonder what could have driven British men to do this.

00:34:48.880 Didn't you share that video of Montgomery Toms

00:34:51.080 earlier on Good Morning Britain or something

00:34:53.340 where he said, like, as soon as you get the passport

00:34:55.240 you're just as British as me.

00:34:56.400 Tim Montgomery, you mean?

00:34:58.860 Montgomery Toms is certainly not of that position.

00:35:01.660 You don't get many people called Montgomery

00:35:03.300 these days, so I've got them mixed up.

00:35:05.080 Tim Montgomery, yeah.

00:35:06.340 Yeah, I did indeed, yeah. 0.82

00:35:07.800 So he's just sort of like, well, they're just British.

00:35:09.560 Yeah, apparently the passport's given out

00:35:11.600 It's basically Americanism, but for Britain.

00:35:13.720 It's Americanism. 0.69

00:35:15.540 It's the direct transplantation of their understanding of themselves

00:35:19.020 in the 1960s to our cultural context as their imperial subordinates.

00:35:23.940 And we're not allowed to have our own self-understanding

00:35:27.360 because we must engage in the same experiment that they do.

00:35:30.460 I think something else to just speak about.

00:35:32.020 Having seen its results.

00:35:33.060 Exactly, having seen its results.

00:35:35.300 But I think something else to point out,

00:35:37.440 particularly in terms of these new cases,

00:35:39.500 is rather unlike, say, the case of Arshid Hussain, who was the ringleader in Rochdale,

00:35:47.140 where there was a sort of national organization of the gang, and the police thought if we cut

00:35:52.440 the head off of this one man, symbolically, of course, although unfortunately, the entire

00:35:56.860 structure, the whole edifice will just collapse. But of course, what's now happening is just because

00:36:02.120 of the compound interest of numbers over so many years, this is an emergent phenomena. 0.76

00:36:08.040 This is a phenomena that is occurring on its own where girls who are outside of the biradari household structure, who are unveiled, who are potentially vulnerable or more prone to sexual exploration at a younger age, are just seen as easy prey.

00:36:25.340 It is kind of paralleling a phenomena that has only recently found a term for itself called clear up crew or clean up crew. 0.59

00:36:34.380 And it's what you can see it if you go to a local club.

00:36:37.380 This actually happened with me fairly recently.

00:36:39.420 There were these two Pakistani, presumably Murpuri men,

00:36:44.100 sitting at this little table,

00:36:45.900 and they weren't having any alcohol or anything.

00:36:47.900 And a friend of mine was having quite a bit of alcohol. 1.00

00:36:50.520 And I spoke to him because he's a sort of weird Sufi Muslim

00:36:54.020 that I get on quite well with. 1.00

00:36:55.260 And I said, what do you think those guys are doing over there?

00:36:57.380 And he just looked at me like this.

00:36:59.640 And then I thought, oh, it's the cleanup crew. 0.99

00:37:01.560 They were waiting for the women to get drunk 0.97

00:37:03.420 so that they could take them home completely sober. 1.00

00:37:06.620 and then do what they wanted with them. And the very interesting thing, besides that being just

00:37:12.220 horrible in its own right, is the fact that it exists on a spectrum. Once that kind of very

00:37:17.480 normal behavior is seen as, not very abnormal, but normal behavior is seen as somewhat normal,

00:37:24.680 then there are other things that you can do. You might even have one of these gentlemen say to

00:37:29.520 another, well, you know, I would do cleanup crew, but I wouldn't go so far as to procure a drunk 1.00

00:37:35.920 alcoholic drug-addicted homeless woman and then use her in order to traffic me girls that are 1.00

00:37:42.040 also her customers but because of the cultural structure because of the tribal network that is 0.75

00:37:48.120 an extension of hundreds of years of consanguineous marriage you're never going to be able to knock

00:37:52.380 it out with cultural reasons unless somehow the magical british passport undoes inbreeding yeah

00:37:58.620 this is why i tweeted earlier when i shared that clip they talk about british citizenship as if it 0.98

00:38:03.240 has alchemical properties as if you can literally turn shit into gold like you hand them a british 0.92

00:38:07.240 passport and a third worlder becomes a britain and thousands of years of cousin marriage and 0.97

00:38:10.820 clan loyalty just dissolves before your eyes and it's just not the case and it's it's funny you

00:38:14.440 mentioned the cleanup crew that will come up later because the reason the segment is titled

00:38:18.100 it's all connected is literally the international trafficking gangs are connected now to the

00:38:21.480 grooming gangs and it is irrefutable that we have the proof of this but in this particular case um

00:38:26.360 We had a series of men named like Shafak Muhammad, Syed Muhammad, Muhammad Sheikh Abdul Hanan, Kevin Lawrence, which was a bit of a standout one, which is strange.

00:38:39.640 He's from Danun. He's the only white guy in the gang, and he has two counts of conspiracy to rape.

00:38:45.580 But he'll be coming up again later, because you might think, oh, why is there a white guy in this gang? 0.93

00:38:49.740 Don't worry, he's well connected.

00:38:51.560 Sheikh Mohammed Tahir Ullah, Amina Rahman Chowdhury, Shaquille Beber, and Murad Ali.

00:38:58.300 And they've been charged with a series of about 30 offences investigated into child exploitation.

00:39:05.740 And then there's another one, unfortunately, there's another one in Manchester that's just happened as well, in Bury.

00:39:12.620 So right in Andy Burnham's back garden.

00:39:14.260 there's a three men charged with 46 offenses connected to child exploitation uh who are going

00:39:19.340 to appear uh did appear at manchester magistrates court on the 22nd of july 2026 men are all british

00:39:24.700 pakistani pakistani accused of offenses committed between 1996 and 2003 against 10 girls aged

00:39:31.940 between 12 and 16 this is ashfack khan komar jihanga and zaheer iqbal now besides me making

00:39:38.600 the point that i should never have to pronounce those names in my own country um as you said ed

00:39:42.180 this is clearly an ethnic tribal dimension but it's also a dimension of organized crime

00:39:47.240 and just as we saw in um less disgusting fashion in the united states that the u.s in the early 0.63

00:39:56.120 20th century with irish jewish and italian mobsters and hey we got some good movies out of it that 0.71

00:40:00.500 wasn't like there weren't some problems um britain's version of organized crime is pakistani

00:40:04.860 thanks to the post-Commonwealth,

00:40:08.840 post-Miyapuri flood waves of immigration

00:40:11.620 from the mid-50s throughout the 70s.

00:40:14.440 And they've established themselves here,

00:40:15.780 and they've established themselves pretty well

00:40:17.240 because as the Times has found out,

00:40:18.880 the grooming gangs are now linked

00:40:19.940 to over 150 violent and drug-dealing criminals.

00:40:23.060 So this is a criminal family and clan network.

00:40:26.480 There is an extensive map created by the network map,

00:40:29.660 and this is just the convictions we have.

00:40:31.400 this hasn't even plotted the um alleged uh unconvicted gangs that are operating the um

00:40:38.500 restore britain's rape gang inquiry uncovered in places all over london uh remember sadiq khan

00:40:43.980 tried to try to deny that grooming gangs were were happening in london this features more than a

00:40:49.060 thousand perpetrators gangs families establishments and notable individuals including

00:40:52.820 councillors and police officers who are connected to the groomers and this of course explains

00:40:57.140 partly why the police officers are involved in the gangs it's not just that they are abusing the

00:41:00.360 girls but if you're involved in say the Pakistani drug trade and you're taking kickbacks on the

00:41:04.480 side especially if you have the evidence room full of drugs that you have procured and some

00:41:08.580 of that evidence goes walkabout well if the if the grooming gangs are connected to the drug trade

00:41:13.040 you're kind of implicated in the cover-up it's not just that you're afraid of being called racist

00:41:15.840 it's you're getting under the table deal a point that David Betts actually made to me when I

00:41:21.060 interacted with him last that I hadn't even thought of is that of course the property structure is

00:41:27.000 also completely different. The idea, as in the book The Origins of English Individualism, that

00:41:31.940 you just sign contracts with people in order to transfer land, simply doesn't exist in the

00:41:36.880 Murpuri tribal context, or in most Middle Eastern context as an extension. No, you are your property

00:41:45.060 to a large extent, and the upper echelons of a said tribal network will not necessarily cohere

00:41:51.580 with who has money in their name and so Betts was mentioning that one of his associates who was

00:41:58.220 quite afraid for his life given a number of messages and emails that he had received

00:42:02.540 believed that large parts of London property were just controlled by a few gangs although

00:42:08.920 they were nominally owned by other people but in terms of the drug thing as with the human

00:42:13.920 trafficking thing as with effectively everything else if you're doing it to particularly non-Muslim

00:42:19.720 people, particularly people outside of your biridari, and people that you potentially have

00:42:26.260 ethnic grudges against because they have been fermented by education and media, you can do

00:42:30.340 whatever you like to them. I mean, you can violently attack them, you can sell them drugs, 0.97

00:42:35.640 you can obviously use the drugs as a sort of lover boy brainwashing gateway to the human

00:42:40.860 trafficking part of it, but it's really anything goes. Paralleling this, this is also why we now

00:42:49.080 have the problem of so many prisoners converting to Islam in prison because they realize magically 0.74

00:42:55.840 all of my deeds, my horrible traits, whether I be a sort of rapist or a murderer, it's immediately 0.95

00:43:02.860 gone and I get to partake in the snacks that those guys are passing around the cells with one

00:43:08.000 another. So it's a mechanism that actively recruits the dregs of society into its numbers

00:43:15.380 at the same time that it feels absolutely no limits of conscience to just extract.

00:43:22.240 And no wonder international crime syndicates are interested in this kind of thing.

00:43:25.580 Yeah, it's a purely parasitic enterprise.

00:43:27.040 And you sort of put a puzzle piece together in my head when you were talking about that, 1.00

00:43:31.680 because a lot of the time you'll see it's like Indians are the largest demographic 0.87

00:43:36.280 that own property in this country.

00:43:37.860 And it's because they pool their resources together and they buy up properties together

00:43:40.900 and they'll do it up cheap and they'll do it badly,

00:43:42.820 but they'll then own a massive property portfolio.

00:43:44.680 so of course the same thing happens with Pakistanis

00:43:46.860 of course the same thing happens with the illicit businesses 0.90

00:43:48.740 that they then use as essentially torture

00:43:50.780 dungeons for these children

00:43:51.820 and if you look at the network map

00:43:54.460 this is of course the perpetrators

00:43:57.040 all over the country, if you look at the

00:43:58.760 other one, these are the trafficking nodes

00:44:00.840 so you can see trafficking nodes going all over the country

00:44:03.020 from Liverpool to Plymouth, Rotherham

00:44:05.020 to Tower Hamlets, Glasgow to

00:44:06.980 Bradford and Rill, the case

00:44:09.140 that we just mentioned at the start

00:44:10.480 right into the heart of Westminster

00:44:12.580 stuff so it is right in the seat of political power all across the country and yet still all

00:44:19.800 of our politicians have denied it been utterly inactive they've known about it since the early

00:44:22.880 2000s the home office had reports that they uh they buried uh went walkabout and again for some

00:44:28.520 reason absolutely inactive and then if we look even um let's say that these you know the white

00:44:32.780 british men are customers if you look at kevin lawrence there that i mentioned previously if

00:44:36.240 you just click his name it highlights all of the other nodes in the network all of the other

00:44:40.200 co-conspirators that have been charged or convicted and these are all the muslim guys

00:44:43.640 but this is in uh london preston birmingham cardiff swansea and edinburgh this is how

00:44:51.100 wide reach far flung yeah one network national crime syndicate yeah this is only comparable to

00:44:57.180 the sort of leadership of the casa nostra dividing you know philadelphia chicago uh

00:45:03.700 that hive of iniquity, Las Vegas, New York, between them.

00:45:10.360 Yeah, this is Bugs Moran, Lucky Luciano, and Al Capone, 0.82

00:45:13.480 but with child abuse.

00:45:15.220 And it only works.

00:45:16.620 No, they probably had child abuse as well.

00:45:18.580 To a different scale.

00:45:21.840 To a different scale, yes,

00:45:23.220 but if you watch my Stonewall documentary,

00:45:25.080 it appears that the mobsters who owned the Stonewall Inn

00:45:28.060 in New York in the 1960s

00:45:29.840 were probably running a child prostitution ring

00:45:32.180 out of the upper floors of it.

00:45:33.440 It's true. But I mean, another important aspect, just looking at the diagram, and the diagram

00:45:38.020 implies it strongly enough, is that this only works when you have a strongly interconnected

00:45:42.600 ethnic diaspora. There is absolutely no way that British child trafficking or prostitution,

00:45:48.900 such as we had, I think this was between the 1870s and the 1890s, could last that long.

00:45:54.920 I mean, you could do the police strategy that I referenced earlier in the case of Rochdale

00:45:58.660 and Rotherham. You could splat the big guy, to use the Bugsy Malone language that you've

00:46:02.740 now put in my head and then you could evaporate the whole thing but you really can't hear it's a

00:46:07.780 hydra i mean you'll cut off one head and then six more will grow back in the place um in its place

00:46:13.060 and not just because of the inbreeding not just because of the inbreeding but um the you have

00:46:18.580 this also with fighting cartels and with fighting terrorist groups the one strategy that never works

00:46:25.740 is decapitating the leadership yeah because what it does is that it create competition among the

00:46:31.020 gangs and then new bosses arise so just going after the leadership doesn't work this is deeply

00:46:37.380 ingrained and you know the italians the irish over time they they they knocked it off they

00:46:44.760 stopped doing it for the most part um this is impossible here these guys are never going to

00:46:50.660 integrate i mean this is also a fundamental reason why it's typically journalists and upper upper

00:46:56.740 echelon regime typically upper middle class or even aristocratic journalists like say simon

00:47:01.240 morton at the times who actually leave a dent who actually report any of this stuff to the public

00:47:07.020 because what happens very often if you're a chief of police is you'll know that this is going on in

00:47:13.880 your community you'll absolutely know and you'll have to enter personal negotiations much as mps

00:47:19.180 do with the imam of a mosque to determine how the voting base is going to go you will go and meet

00:47:24.820 these people and you will think how can i for now reduce the amount of criminality going on in my

00:47:31.680 neighborhood how can i reduce the amount of predation that's going on because if i just say

00:47:36.180 it's that man go and arrest him either he will run the gang for prison as very frequently happens

00:47:41.200 or it will just create chaos on the streets and so there is this real kind of silence that hangs

00:47:48.620 over the police like a kind of fog that just prevents them from doing anything about this

00:47:53.840 obviously however um the solution when we have the sort of willpower for it uh is all encompassing

00:48:02.080 which is if this network is sorry if this network kind of is like a lovecraftian abomination you

00:48:07.560 have to get rid of the whole thing in one go you can't just cut it up into little bits because it

00:48:12.580 will defend itself well yeah it's no wonder a lot of these people see us as um as almost prey people

00:48:19.180 at this point they must think it's completely ridiculous that the police don't just send in

00:48:22.860 large squads to take them all out and they must think that we're presenting ourselves as weak

00:48:27.700 in not doing so in in entering into negotiations in the first place they were probably expecting

00:48:33.000 that they could get away with it for a little bit and then maybe they'd all get arrested all

00:48:37.060 at the same time and sent back home or executed and the fact that we don't do that they just go 0.66

00:48:41.740 like oh great oh we can just get away with this indefinitely there was a pakistani comedian or

00:48:47.320 actor i can't remember who it was but they did some sort of short clip and it's just pakistani

00:48:51.540 family sitting in their home in a little terraced house in the north and suddenly the police bust

00:48:55.200 through the door they slap them in cuffs they drag them out into the street trying to humiliate them

00:48:58.340 and they just sort of see the edl on in the road and they're sort of smiling giving the nod to the

00:49:02.380 police officers and it's like okay that's a total you know fevered fantasy from the page of the

00:49:07.860 guardian but it's also a kind of letting slip that you know this is going on in your community

00:49:13.320 and you're expecting this to happen and you're expecting one day there to be moral unity between

00:49:18.440 people that were calling this out and took to vigilantism because the police let them down

00:49:23.120 and the authorities themselves that eventually expel you and so i had i had this just very quick

00:49:27.280 anecdote um i had a chat imagine was like early this week um and i it was originally came about

00:49:34.060 because i said to him oh he supports reform um i've been critical of reform and so i wanted to

00:49:38.240 understand why and he said oh would you prefer to come on my podcast instead i'll set it up just

00:49:41.480 because i don't really travel in person because of security reasons so i said oh that's fine

00:49:44.040 it was about three hours and it was a bit demoralizing and it's not like i managed nice

00:49:47.980 interpersonally but i profoundly disagree with him and a lot of the time he was it felt like

00:49:51.220 he's pushing me down the dialectic to say well mass deportations be too disruptive you can't

00:49:54.960 denaturalize these people his argument was you'll go down the same route as nazi germany and people

00:50:01.840 will get very upset with it and you'll end up with cattle cars and death camps and you'll be 0.72

00:50:06.320 so intergenerationally embarrassed that you'll lose your country anyway so wouldn't it be better

00:50:10.380 if we formed an alliance of traditionalists

00:50:12.220 versus the globalists.

00:50:13.640 And I'm sorry, but as you've been...

00:50:15.800 These are traditionalists.

00:50:16.900 Their tradition is the social glue

00:50:20.680 by which this organised crime and abuse network

00:50:22.940 comes together.

00:50:24.300 The globalists are the ones who profit off of this.

00:50:26.740 Let me tell you about a small cross-section of people

00:50:30.360 who would be upset at mass deportations.

00:50:33.420 One, the communities themselves.

00:50:35.520 Two, massive housing developers.

00:50:37.880 Three, big business capitalists.

00:50:39.740 Four, banks and finance capital that rely on mortgage debts and other such things to be able to debt leverage their portfolios.

00:50:48.440 Human rights lawyers.

00:50:49.360 Yeah, human rights lawyers.

00:50:50.720 The best.

00:50:51.600 Yeah, the best and brightest that we're all so sympathetic towards.

00:50:55.760 You really love human rights lawyers and finance capitalists, don't you, Majid?

00:51:02.540 Really?

00:51:03.340 Yeah, I know.

00:51:03.780 I mean, seriously?

00:51:04.660 It was frustrating.

00:51:05.600 In relation to this, a point that you made just now reminded me of something completely different, which is this play that we've spoken about before called Expendable, which is a play about the grooming gangs, heroically enough, but from a Pakistani perspective.

00:51:19.940 And it's set in a kitchen where it's revealed eventually a girl was trafficked. But the real sort of danger is the Muslim community are being targeted for this unfairly.

00:51:31.000 And there are all of these bizarre scenes, and even the Guardian journalist who reviewed this said that they were bizarre, where the police are collaborating with the EDL, and the EDL, which no longer exists, is in all of the universities, and so on and so forth. 0.80

00:51:45.760 The reason why in that Pakistani comedian's sketch, funny as it might have been, and in this play, the EDL is this pervasive, all-consuming force is because it's a projection of their own mentality.

00:51:57.840 They think of themselves tribally as a sort of inter-ethnic network, and they're thinking, the English have left it off for a really long time. 0.83

00:52:05.400 When are they going to try that?

00:52:06.020 When are they going to come back and burn my place down? 0.95

00:52:08.740 Because we would burn their places down if they did something like that to us, or we would send out our young lads to go after Sikhs if they tried anything. 0.96

00:52:15.760 and that very frequently happens. But when your culture is one that has you believe in a 1.00

00:52:21.840 transcendent post-enlightenment state where your vote magically goes into it, and somehow your

00:52:28.360 politician has to, you know, cohere with ideas about honor and the representation of his

00:52:34.400 constituents' will, you're never going to line up with someone who doesn't believe in politics

00:52:39.160 outside of corruption, where the people who are in power are either your relatives or they are

00:52:44.960 illegal occupiers that must be destroyed via criminal networks and that is what we're facing

00:52:49.920 i will also say there is still a subset of the english working class that does see themselves

00:52:55.080 as much more connected in that way and they do actually occasionally go out and do the sorts of 0.96

00:53:00.520 violent things that um the muslims and these communities would expect them to to do and i do 1.00

00:53:05.940 think that this causes a lot of consternation within the british government it's why they spend 1.00

00:53:10.840 so much time uh clamping down on them uh but the reasons that it's ineffective not to actually

00:53:16.480 advocate any sort of behavior like that is uh one most of the time they're being organized by people

00:53:21.680 who are potentially state assets uh often in communication with the intelligence services

00:53:28.380 given they've gone to prison themselves yes people with prison with prison records that would mean

00:53:32.500 that they were prime targets for hey we can get a few years taken off of your sentence if you want

00:53:36.700 to cooperate with us set up a website where the people who sign up to go to these protests have

00:53:40.920 to give full name date of birth postcode phone number email address does this remind you of

00:53:45.960 anybody who's been in the news recently um and uh also um just the fact that there is sadly the

00:53:53.760 state is completely against them they do not have uh the backing of power whereas in one way or

00:54:00.340 another these groups do yeah and it's not just a national organized crime syndicate i'm sort of

00:54:05.020 round out with with this when i say it's happening everywhere it's all connected i mean the

00:54:09.300 international smuggling trade everything it's all linked up to this it's a it's a it's a supply

00:54:14.280 chain for customers perpetrators and and mary harrington points out in her write-up of the of

00:54:19.800 the release of this uh network map if britain's real problem is ethnic matthias this would also

00:54:24.480 explain more persuasively than political correctness why their crimes kept keep being

00:54:28.580 reported only for inquiries to be restricted or slow walked by authorities or to happen to find

00:54:33.400 key records have somehow disappeared.

00:54:35.620 Being accused of racism may endanger your job.

00:54:38.040 Getting on the wrong side of a mafia can endanger

00:54:39.680 your life. And this has happened, by the way, to

00:54:41.380 National Crime Agency and Trading Standards

00:54:43.540 officers that have tried to crack down on these, like, illegal

00:54:45.580 money laundering fronts and Turkish barbers. They've had

00:54:47.560 their house firebombed, they've had their cars driven

00:54:49.480 off the road, and they've had to move.

00:54:51.560 And some of the people investigating it might also just have

00:54:53.500 blackmail on them. Look at how J. Edgar Hoover

00:54:55.340 for years denied that there even was a mafia

00:54:57.440 in the US, primarily because

00:54:59.380 they all had pictures of him cavorting with young

00:55:01.400 boys in dresses. There you go.

00:55:03.200 many such cases this model would also explain why asylum seekers from a range of ethnicities 0.58

00:55:06.900 have started showing up in grooming gang trials we already know people smuggling is a lucrative

00:55:10.580 form of international organized crime it would stand to reason some of the individuals smuggled 0.95

00:55:14.100 via mafia networks might remain within the mafia's orbit and we've not just had seven afghans living 0.80

00:55:19.900 asylum hotels charged with running a grooming gang all across from scotland to norwich 0.69

00:55:24.780 but also we now know that international people smugglers are as i broke in 2023 and this is still

00:55:30.400 going on marketing women and girls from university campuses or clubs as essentially the spoils of war

00:55:36.340 and conquest and the latest gang to do this is a people smuggling gang that is doing these man on

00:55:41.420 the street interviews with unsuspecting white blonde young women on university campuses and

00:55:47.760 it's run for gujas so the ethnic community that is in pakistan india and afghanistan so we wonder 0.95

00:55:55.500 why they've been pouring over our borders recently and this is all over tiktok and uh and instagram 0.98

00:56:00.660 and of course links to organized crime because um the uk has found that same community running

00:56:07.020 these phone vape shops um money exchange centers that are essentially hawaladas for the international

00:56:14.300 honor-based islamic finance system that funds the uh the people trafficking network and the pbc

00:56:19.700 use this one phone shop in woolwich which isn't far from me actually um they linked up with a

00:56:25.260 recruiter in the calais migrant jungle and they said okay here are a list of businesses they listed

00:56:29.540 like a car wash in newcastle a business in cambridge and this one and the undercover bbc

00:56:34.200 reporter went to this guy and recorded on the camera here and they said that if he sent over

00:56:39.720 three thousand pounds in cash um to the people smuggler so that it's a direct transfer so it

00:56:44.520 never it's never changes the hands of the person being smuggled then they can get them into the

00:56:49.300 country and again national crime agency all that shown this footage they know this is happening

00:56:54.520 in businesses all across the country they know this is connected to organized crime and connected

00:56:58.380 to the grooming gangs and nobody gets arrested i mean another thing just in relation to this is

00:57:03.780 if you speak to people who are charity workers or who work in refugee housing the number of times

00:57:11.080 they will tell you after going through surveys with the people that have come in as refugees or

00:57:16.820 even as illegal migrants not that there's much distinction systemically the number of times that

00:57:22.060 sex will come up as a primary motivator for the crossing to begin with is frankly surprising and

00:57:29.660 you know pornography as someone like jean baudrillard would talk about is the west's

00:57:34.560 potentially largest export to the east so of course they develop these fantasies

00:57:38.860 and then when they show up and they realize hang on i'm not going to be able to have a romantic

00:57:44.000 relationship with you know an attractive 24 year old white woman or something along those lines

00:57:49.680 it's not an air brothel yeah there is a resentment that creeps into them and so what you find is in

00:57:54.700 the trafficking networks themselves you have the big man so to speak um who is the one who first

00:58:01.760 uses said woman and then in in a literal pecking order they will go from the top to the lowest

00:58:07.220 where it's this sort of weird beardy incel who's maybe 29 still lives with his mum but it's an

00:58:13.960 active you could say it's an active anti-white misogyny yep um that comes out of being promised

00:58:21.020 literally everything by the regime with no kind of pushback whatsoever well there is another

00:58:26.700 dimension to this as well uh i covered this a few weeks ago the pakistani government knows this

00:58:32.620 happens they they know that this happens and they use it as an international bargaining tool

00:58:38.600 they know that if enough of their people will go over to a country that they'll start doing this

00:58:44.700 in europe but well you want to deport them back here well actually we've got a weird constitutional

00:58:51.100 civic system which means that if they deny their um if they deny their um citizenship to pakistan

00:58:57.440 well then we have no obligation to take them back we give you england we give you the it's very

00:59:02.500 very sort of like a typical kind of haggling process that we give you mafia strong yeah we

00:59:07.780 give you the gold standard uh procedure for helping you to deport them back over to here

00:59:12.820 and the gold standard is 1500 or so last year right uh and uh if you want us to continue doing

00:59:19.660 that well then you're going to have to give us some concessions on airlines and other international 0.61

00:59:25.000 trade deals and such so they they basically know that their population is a bioweapon 0.82

00:59:30.120 and they send them out there to do these sorts of things 0.89

00:59:33.960 so that when the countries that they're doing them in

00:59:36.380 say hold up we don't want these people here

00:59:38.320 we have convicted a number of a sizable portion of your diaspora 1.00

00:59:43.280 you need to take them back 1.00

00:59:44.640 they can go no no no no no

00:59:46.100 first we need to sit around the table and haggle this out

00:59:49.080 and on that point just to finish off

00:59:51.780 the whole country is disgustingly immoral on that

00:59:55.300 is worthy of international condemnation

00:59:57.360 there should be not just from Britain

00:59:59.520 but from across the entire world any country that considers itself to have any kind of 1.00

01:00:03.880 moral backbone countries like pakistan need to be sanctioned back into the dark age it should be a 0.83

01:00:09.280 pariah state and and the only ones proposing that are a store at the moment so it's quite 1.00

01:00:13.000 despicable that other parties haven't stepped up as well but just on just to finish on that point 0.86

01:00:16.760 so again entire country is dotted with pakistani vape shops bangladeshi phone shops uh afghan

01:00:24.380 hawaladas importing customers for the grooming gangs that we already know are connected to

01:00:28.540 organized crime and they're being paid by benefits from british taxpayers in order to be able to 0.62

01:00:35.540 acquire the drugs and the women and the girls that are being provided by these criminals yes

01:00:40.740 just to add that dimension and it's not just the illegals because um these same fraudulent phone

01:00:46.720 vape shops that are run by organized crime by the biradary clan system that pools their resources

01:00:51.240 to buy these properties are also sponsoring legal visas even after they were meant to be

01:00:58.440 banned from doing so this is a new article this last when was this 6th of august right there are

01:01:05.160 still multiple uh fraudulent businesses that the bbc themselves brought to the government's attention

01:01:09.480 like the bbc are doing this that's how bad the problem is last year in july 2025 the government

01:01:15.640 were meant to tighten the rules and they've revisited those those same places and they're

01:01:20.220 still sponsoring thousands of legal visas to the extent to where now of course pakistan is one of

01:01:25.840 the top nations for skilled worker visas what skills could be possibly found in pakistan other

01:01:29.780 than organized crime and they're also outnumbered by six to one dependents all those dependents are 0.87

01:01:35.580 of course the family members who then join the clans which then commit the abuse so there's no 0.91

01:01:41.380 prescription i can provide for this other than just the frankly the expulsion of pakistanis from

01:01:47.160 britain yeah and due to pakistan as a nation what was done to rhodesia and south africa

01:01:52.780 in terms of international sanctions wait um do you want to go for a couple of rumble rants and

01:01:59.460 then we'll kick on yours yes i assume that we're going till about 20 to 3 today given we started

01:02:04.580 late wonderful yes 20 to 3 in that case i'm not going on any longer than that uh johnny pat says

01:02:12.520 i just moved from the middle of nowhere to kentucky uh dc to dc while reading camp of the saints 0.86

01:02:16.820 the way these foreigners treat our capital 0.99

01:02:19.080 is disgusting. Camp of the Saints is not 1.00

01:02:21.160 a work of fiction, unfortunately. Shout out

01:02:23.000 Ethan Rundle, who I think is watching right

01:02:25.060 now. Oh, well, Patriot. Yeah,

01:02:26.960 Ethan's fantastic. Go and buy

01:02:28.800 Vorbon Books. They're doing great work doing translations

01:02:30.720 and publishing

01:02:31.580 excellent new authors like Ed.

01:02:34.860 Chango says, if BB was willing to not act

01:02:36.980 on October 7th, info, to advance

01:02:38.880 in advance for political advantage,

01:02:40.820 we must assume Israel is equally willing to withhold

01:02:42.880 such info from us if convenient. National security

01:02:44.980 ally, question mark.

01:02:46.820 isn't isn't the security minister ben gavir yes but he deals with a different kind okay

01:02:54.280 is that internal security rather than he's the internal security rather than the idf or the

01:02:58.580 massaging bet etc who who do more of the intelligence stuff well well here's the red

01:03:03.680 pill on trading international uh secrets like that that's all going to be part of negotiation

01:03:08.520 project like processes as well like that's all that's all going to be uh everything that you

01:03:14.260 can't do independently

01:03:16.340 becomes leverage against you

01:03:18.080 in a way

01:03:19.980 in a world of

01:03:21.240 historic religious and ethnic enmities

01:03:23.880 you need to rely on yourself

01:03:26.420 as much as humanly possible

01:03:27.840 for all of your basic needs

01:03:29.560 you had one of reforms

01:03:30.820 by John Lennon though

01:03:33.520 shoot me now

01:03:34.400 you had one of reforms Israel supporters saying

01:03:37.300 basically saying that the

01:03:39.860 that oh but there's a lot of medicine

01:03:42.140 that the UK buys from Israel, 0.99

01:03:44.620 we're going to cut that off. 0.98

01:03:48.160 You're going to stop selling medicines

01:03:50.460 because your illegal settlements have been sanctioned.

01:03:56.180 I feel like Robert Pattinson.

01:03:57.440 You see how this looks, right?

01:04:00.260 Yeah.

01:04:01.140 Sorry, but before we move on,

01:04:03.160 Richard Tice describing a rally against the sanctions yesterday

01:04:06.980 as a vigil.

01:04:08.400 Did anyone die?

01:04:09.480 i just and then he said you're literally killing me oh it's like danny finkelstein's in the room

01:04:16.780 with us uh anyway um sigil stone i know scientifically that passports do not make

01:04:21.600 arabs british i've been i can't read that out my government prohibits me from reading out these

01:04:28.440 super chats there is a certain sam hyde joke about indians in his basement that you can relate to if

01:04:34.220 you want to know uh and fallen firebird liberal i don't know if you can read this one i cannot as

01:04:39.300 well you know what you know what i'll go for base tape and then we can move on to the final

01:04:42.720 same which i'm really looking forward to actually british passports have expiry dates and have

01:04:45.740 revocation procedures having a passport does not make you just as british as me you're a

01:04:49.080 guest yes that is a sensible attitude is there a reason the lights have been turned on then have

01:04:54.340 we been shut down okay samson has not shut us down samson option has not been invoked just yet

01:05:02.400 are we are we are we just waiting for he just wanted to get you two out of samson cameo

01:05:08.560 that's all samson cameo no we didn't get we didn't get samson on camera tragically tragically

01:05:14.960 although something was filmed yesterday with him which you can look forward to if you're fans of

01:05:19.100 epox chronicles so subscribe to the website for that anyway last segment for uh the day

01:05:26.620 we have found the giga chad it turns out he was the sole holdout juror at the lindsey clancy trial

01:05:34.420 which has captivated a lot of people, especially online,

01:05:38.540 especially, sadly, a lot of mental women on TikTok for the past month or so.

01:05:43.260 I think the trial went on for seven weeks and ended in mistrial due to deadlocked jury

01:05:49.760 because from the information that has come out in the press that we know now,

01:05:54.580 11 of the jurors were in favour of a not guilty verdict.

01:05:58.680 One juror, one male juror, was the one holdout who decided,

01:06:03.200 actually murdering three children needs to be punished and i know that people will say well

01:06:10.660 the not guilty verdict would have been a punishment anyway because she still would have ended up in

01:06:14.840 some kind of psychiatric um she could have been let out yes that's the thing unlike in a prison

01:06:20.420 where up for parole might be something that happens somewhere very very far down the line

01:06:25.000 if you're in a psychiatric setting you're deemed to have not been taken responsible

01:06:28.780 for your own actions in murdering your three children well guess what the point of that is

01:06:34.480 rehabilitation the point of that is that they want to get you back into a state of mind where

01:06:38.320 you are responsible for your actions which means that they will actually check you out every year

01:06:43.560 or so to see if you've see if you're there and if you're there you're on your way remember she was

01:06:50.160 talking about becoming a paralympic marathon champion she imagines that she has a life for

01:06:57.340 herself sometimes god has a good sense of irony at least uh after murdering her children and she

01:07:03.000 has new ambitions now that evidently don't involve repenting yeah so um it will be going to a retrial

01:07:10.960 we don't know the date of that yet it's not been set on the 29th of september i think is when

01:07:15.920 they're going to be reconvening to discuss where this goes but there's been a lot of developments

01:07:21.280 in the time since the mistrial was declared which means that i think essentially uh what the defense

01:07:28.640 is doing the defense for lindsey clancy and some of the members of this jury are doing uh seems to

01:07:34.560 me maybe this is because i'm british and i don't fully have a comprehensive understanding of the

01:07:39.920 american system uh seems to me to be should be highly illegal because they are clearly trying

01:07:46.320 to prejudice the next trial that goes on where this trial was already highly prejudiced due to

01:07:52.280 the huge amount of online activity and online attention that it got particularly from insane 0.80

01:07:58.060 women saying that she's not guilty her husband clearly did it there was a woman arrested for

01:08:03.640 trying to intimidate the jurors back on the 2nd of september before the mistrial was declared

01:08:08.180 they were showing up in the courtroom yes this was already an incredibly didn't even sequester

01:08:12.200 the jury yes they did not sequester the jury this was a highly contentious case and everything

01:08:16.920 that's going on now is going to highly prejudice any other jury that is um that is selected in the

01:08:24.960 retrial it could also be that they're trying to sufficiently demoralize the prosecution

01:08:28.660 to think well it's not even worth bothering bringing forward another trial because any

01:08:34.020 jury pool we have will be a priori tainted so we've got even less chance of victory next time 0.54

01:08:39.560 so we just won't bother yeah so um lindsey clancy was being um represented by a defense attorney

01:08:47.160 called kevin reddington uh when asked if the uh verdict what uh when when asked uh would have

01:08:54.500 was this uh would have been a verdict it would have been a not guilty verdict the bbc messed up

01:09:01.220 in typing this out uh if not for the one juror singled out in the note uh reddington said um

01:09:06.300 and he was asked how clancy is he said not good and asked how her parents are he also says not

01:09:12.220 good because of course her parents were in her corner despite the fact that she is the evil witch 0.79

01:09:17.980 that stole their three grandchildren from them but they're a million dollars up oh yeah sorry i 1.00

01:09:23.100 forgot about that so she's been a hell of a payday which i know for a certain kind of boomer maybe 1.00

01:09:27.500 that's a good trade to make three grandkids or a million dollars for my next set of cruises 1.00

01:09:31.660 Ooh, I know what I'm taking there.

01:09:34.340 If we didn't have that one individual, we would have had a verdict and we would be out of here, he said.

01:09:39.680 Reminder, at the time of this article it said we don't know how the jury was split or what deliberations looked like in the room.

01:09:46.300 We have a much better idea of it now because some of the jurors themselves came out into the public 0.98

01:09:52.720 to try and essentially, very feminine, unsurprisingly, 0.99

01:09:58.180 commit reputation destruction on this one holdout juror 1.00

01:10:02.760 who we still don't know the identity of right now.

01:10:06.280 We just know he's a man.

01:10:07.700 He's a man.

01:10:08.480 Men ruin this for us again.

01:10:09.740 We just know that his recorded testosterone

01:10:12.620 was probably around the level of 1,500 nanograms per deciliter,

01:10:17.640 completely natural.

01:10:18.760 He's just blending BuzzFeed boys and drinking them in the morning.

01:10:21.260 Every single morning.

01:10:22.420 now that is the grind set

01:10:23.960 and this has been the bit of news

01:10:26.120 they're like almost trying to

01:10:27.920 blame the outcome of this trial

01:10:29.880 purely on this guy and not

01:10:32.360 on the immorality of a society 0.65

01:10:34.200 that can see a woman murder 0.91

01:10:36.220 her three children and say 0.93

01:10:37.800 well we've got to feel bad for her

01:10:39.660 Dave Green said that the Lindsay Clancy trial is proof

01:10:42.260 we're living in one great big female group chat 0.86

01:10:44.040 and that's the case because the women 1.00

01:10:46.280 that have been discussing the trial in their group chats have driven one another 1.00

01:10:48.420 insane, I mean

01:10:49.320 sorry to be rude but Olly Mini Haines

01:10:52.160 crash out over this particular trial has been unbelievable you know meant to be an advocate for

01:10:57.200 uh non-violence against women and girls but you know if a woman kills her kids it's fine the

01:11:01.240 husband probably did it and then even the attitude towards the juror themselves by the press is well

01:11:05.700 you don't agree with the herd you don't agree with the group you're icky for dissenting why are you

01:11:09.120 making it harder for the rest of us listen to how they phrased this miss clancy's lawyer asked the

01:11:13.020 judge to remove the juror thankfully the judge said no i'm not going to do that how juries work

01:11:17.620 yeah uh claiming that they had refused to listen to the instructions on reasonable doubt oh we've

01:11:23.620 we've used a bunch of magic words therefore you can doubt that she was responsible for murdering

01:11:28.500 her own children well the other jury members also acted without instruction as they then confessed

01:11:32.520 in the interviews that i'm sure you're going to play because they're saying well i'm a nurse and

01:11:36.240 so i'm actually an expert on this thing so you should listen to me you're not meant to bring

01:11:39.220 your hypothetical outside expertise to look at the case specifics in this one instance and go

01:11:45.780 from there but no they were trying to use again kind of like very feminine they're using the

01:11:51.300 appeal to authority appeal to consensus to say well actually i'm the expert here and i know how

01:11:56.100 this goes whereas this this guy was just like no actually uh and the the reasons that they give him

01:12:00.860 as bad is now a controversial position according to some people and i'll just say as well if if

01:12:06.200 the women in this jury can behave in this way and also upon like the many examples that we have 0.96

01:12:12.600 of black jurors getting away with gross miscarriages of justice for their own personal biases 0.97

01:12:18.340 yes oj being the big one derek chauvin being the other one and then we can commend this guy

01:12:25.000 for actually standing in the way of that miss of that misjustice and sadly as much as as much as

01:12:31.340 i have said before that i think like the repeal the 19th guys are larping the guys who say that

01:12:36.400 women aren't capable of rational thought are larping sadly the way that this has been publicized

01:12:41.540 and the examples that we have seen, 1.00

01:12:43.580 it does seem like the only way that this trial

01:12:45.940 could have been dealt with fairly

01:12:47.300 is if the jury had been made up almost,

01:12:49.540 well, entirely of, like, 30-plus-year-old white men.

01:12:55.720 When it comes to these Harrodins,

01:12:57.700 think also what they think they can gain from the trial.

01:13:02.640 If there's not only a legal precedent set by it,

01:13:06.520 but a precedent set in the court of public opinion 0.99

01:13:09.700 that if you're crazy and you're female you can get away with killing your own children then they 0.99

01:13:15.380 can do literally anything that they want you get or at least they just sympathy or they just say 0.99

01:13:20.120 that they're crazy and killed their own children the details of the case that have been coming out

01:13:25.580 about the fact that you know she had a nanny who she dismissed she had all of this support from

01:13:31.540 her husband uh the way that parts of the murders themselves medication yeah research on what it 0.73

01:13:37.440 As a nurse, she 1.00

01:13:39.320 superficially slashed her wrists 0.99

01:13:41.220 horizontally rather than vertically, and they didn't 0.99

01:13:43.460 even require surgery, they just needed light stitches.

01:13:45.640 She seemed to have basically lowered herself

01:13:47.080 out of the second story window and just landed badly,

01:13:49.440 which is why she's paralysed herself. She took a phone

01:13:51.460 call in the middle of the murders and seemed so normal

01:13:53.300 her husband didn't suspect it.

01:13:55.200 I mean, she was guilty and it was premeditated.

01:13:57.400 Yeah, this does seem like just an act of pure evil

01:13:59.340 at this point.

01:14:01.600 And, you know, like I said,

01:14:03.320 now they're going for reputation destruction of this

01:14:05.540 so far, anonymous

01:14:07.420 juror um which is ironic that they're kind of treating it almost like a witch trial um given

01:14:13.720 some of the parallels that we have here uh the guardian saying lindsey clancy juror had reasonable

01:14:20.140 doubt but would not agree to acquit foreperson says so this is one of the jury members who was

01:14:25.440 the foreperson of the jury coming out and saying that oh no he told me had reasonable doubt but

01:14:31.320 he refused to go ahead with it anyway what the reasonable doubt that she what we all know that

01:14:36.940 she murdered her children the reasonable doubt being that well maybe she went completely insane 1.00

01:14:43.280 but that doesn't cause her insanity to take a phone call and resumed her insanity and blamed

01:14:49.480 it on a voice that she hasn't heard before or since and on a condition that she was never

01:14:53.800 diagnosed with despite checking into a mental health facility just a few weeks before the

01:14:58.100 killings i mean if this was a man it would just be treated as family destruction her suicide she 0.95

01:15:03.880 tried to commit suicide three different times cutting the arms taking the pills and then 0.93

01:15:08.680 throwing herself out of the window she didn't realize that the ground was frozen and so she

01:15:12.700 actually did end up paraplegic as a consequence no i mean it just reeks of narcissistic self-destruction

01:15:19.760 and the slaughtering of the family in order to create a scene because of some implicit mental

01:15:25.840 instability or just as a friend of mine said fairly recently this horrible feeling that she

01:15:32.600 is no longer the center of the world and that her children have taken the place of her own self

01:15:37.620 well i mean the example that's been brought up as the parallel for when a man does something like

01:15:43.280 this is of course the case of chris benoit the uh for the deceased wwe wrestler who murdered his

01:15:49.980 wife and children before successfully killing himself so we didn't have an opportunity to see

01:15:55.720 how a trial against him would have played out but i can tell you exactly how it would have played out

01:15:59.540 which is everybody uniformly would have condemned him and welcomed his guilty verdict,

01:16:05.320 hoping, I mean, I don't know which state that he murdered his family in,

01:16:08.580 personally I would have hoped that it would have been a state that had capital punishment

01:16:11.780 so that he could be given that treatment.

01:16:13.820 Nobody, nobody outside of the most fringe of conspiracy theorists

01:16:18.840 who would have tried to say he was set up would have ever forgiven or tried to excuse what he did,

01:16:24.320 even though he actually had you know far more of an understandable reason for doing what he did

01:16:30.540 which was that he was essentially brain damaged to the most extreme degree possible

01:16:35.760 slight caveat there is one case where a man committed family destruction he put his daughter's

01:16:42.520 bodies in an oil refinery to hide it because he was having an affair and so he killed his wife

01:16:46.400 and daughters and hid it from the police there's a netflix documentary about it he got love letters

01:16:50.180 from high-bristophilic women.

01:16:52.100 Oh, yes, sorry, I forget about Ted Bundy syndrome. 0.82

01:16:54.920 Yeah, or Jeffrey Dahmer, who was gay and still got letters. 0.99

01:16:59.000 Yes, there is an insane kind of person. 0.79

01:17:03.040 Slate had one of the best articles regarding this

01:17:06.460 to show what I'm talking about here.

01:17:08.600 What was the holdout juror thinking?

01:17:12.140 Justice, morality, integrity.

01:17:14.100 Pure speculation.

01:17:14.920 Let me just read you a couple of paragraphs from this

01:17:17.840 to show you the kind of, like, emotional, illogical, hysterical reasoning

01:17:24.500 that's going on here, where they're basically just looking at it

01:17:27.800 purely from the perspective of being a mum is, like, really, really hard, 0.97

01:17:32.400 and sometimes you just want to kill your children, 0.99

01:17:34.580 and then you've just got to do it. 0.99

01:17:35.920 But she was going through some really tough times,

01:17:37.920 so can you really feel, can you not feel bad for her?

01:17:41.020 Can you not just feel bad for her?

01:17:42.800 Oh, my God. 0.54

01:17:44.040 I do feel bad for her, but that's not a reason not to execute her.

01:17:47.000 i'm sorry at this point right i don't if right if if i for some strange reason if i found myself

01:17:55.040 in some kind of psychotic haze where i wasn't in control of my actions and then found that when i

01:18:02.600 came back to that i had killed my own children uh the first thing that i do would be to find the

01:18:07.880 nearest bridge with a 100 chance of killing me and throw myself off of it yes she plays like 0.79

01:18:16.480 she tried to do that she's not begging for the death penalty now immediately after uh but she's

01:18:21.540 come back to her senses supposedly um where's i'm sorry this is rather crass it might be insensitive

01:18:29.620 to some where's the second attempt where's the third attempt if she's so guilt-ridden where's

01:18:35.660 there any evidence of remorse yes if she's so remorseful how could you continue to live with

01:18:40.960 yourself she didn't actually ask about the children when she came to well she didn't and

01:18:45.040 given one of them was still alive

01:18:47.000 and obviously had to have his life support cut off,

01:18:49.240 you know, you would think, if you really

01:18:50.980 were in this sort of psychotic, delusional

01:18:52.980 haze and you came to, the first thing as a mother

01:18:54.960 you would think is, oh my god, where are my children? Are they okay?

01:18:57.160 She didn't.

01:18:58.580 I just think that, right,

01:19:01.220 when my missus

01:19:02.880 was giving birth, right, she was 0.96

01:19:04.620 basically passed out.

01:19:06.740 We'd been going for about 24 hours

01:19:09.020 and she'd had, like, you know,

01:19:10.900 she had a spinal tap

01:19:12.880 by the end of it.

01:19:13.560 They completely knocked her out.

01:19:17.680 She wasn't on the same planet as me

01:19:19.840 until all of a sudden, our daughter was there.

01:19:24.760 And the second that she could hear her

01:19:26.780 and smell her and see her,

01:19:28.960 she snapped straight back into reality.

01:19:31.680 It was like she'd come back into the room.

01:19:33.740 It's like she'd just like,

01:19:35.220 like her spirit had re-entered her body.

01:19:37.220 It was amazing to see.

01:19:38.940 That's the kind of reaction from someone

01:19:41.800 who had just then obviously there's the pregnancy period but just then become a real mum okay that's

01:19:48.480 the kind of instinct that you expect from a mother that's not the instinct that any of us are seeing

01:19:54.500 here but this slate article just goes on to ask it's hard to know what was in the mind of the

01:20:00.020 lone holdout juror the one who wanted to find clancy guilty of being in her right mind i don't

01:20:04.960 think anyone can say you're in your right mind when you kill your own children but certainly

01:20:08.100 to see her as responsible for the actions even as he realized that the prosecution had not proven

01:20:14.220 the case that was a great statement from the slate right there he must have realized the prosecution

01:20:18.720 didn't prove their case okay uh clearly not i can certainly speculate though some people want a

01:20:25.840 simple story of good and evil some people need a punitive outcome to the horrific event no matter

01:20:32.580 actual fault or responsibility some people just want women punished yes if you murder your children

01:20:39.620 i want you punished but this is such a perfect endpoint for relativism oh yeah this is such a

01:20:48.100 perfect conclusion for relativism there is no good and evil don't worry about anything even the murder

01:20:54.660 of your own children is sometimes justified it's just all relative and it depends on the context

01:21:00.900 There's nothing purely good.

01:21:03.480 There's nothing purely evil.

01:21:05.260 We don't need to think about God or the devil.

01:21:07.420 We don't need to think about heaven and hell.

01:21:09.380 It's all relative.

01:21:10.600 You're translating from the Aztec there. 0.94

01:21:12.800 This is what she's doing. 1.00

01:21:14.420 And it just gets wrapped into, frankly, gender war slot right here. 1.00

01:21:19.460 I suspect instead that many people,

01:21:21.680 especially people who have not born children,

01:21:23.720 especially people who put much stock in traditional gender roles,

01:21:26.840 and especially people who take a more simplistic black and white worldview,

01:21:29.480 You can just say conservative men, just say right-wing men.

01:21:32.940 Or women that love their own kids.

01:21:34.400 Yeah, or women in their right mind. 1.00

01:21:37.040 Simply cannot wrap their minds around the fact that sometimes even good mothers can crack up with the most unthinkably awful results. 1.00

01:21:43.880 You are not a good mother if you murder your children. 0.88

01:21:46.680 That should be rule, that should be obvious, that should be parenting 101. 0.99

01:21:50.700 Do not kill your kids.

01:21:52.100 The thing is, she's conflating being genuinely exhausted by her kids

01:21:58.280 and maybe yelling at them a little more than you should one time 0.98

01:22:01.220 with murdering them. 0.99

01:22:04.480 She's putting these things like, kids are tiresome, 0.95

01:22:07.820 I have three of them, they can be a headache,

01:22:10.100 and sometimes you shout when you don't want to. 0.51

01:22:12.940 But she's conflating that with just murdering them.

01:22:16.080 They've listed that in there.

01:22:17.020 They say, right, genuinely say, 0.92

01:22:18.360 most women are not saying,

01:22:19.440 I understand why Lindsay Clancy killed her kids,

01:22:21.380 but i suspect most of us know we don't understand only by the grace of god or luck

01:22:25.740 so you're saying it's only luck that most fathers don't come home one day to find you having butchered

01:22:30.740 their children like that's a hell of a statement they're just totally unwilling to cede any ground

01:22:37.340 at all i don't actually believe that's true either i don't believe that it's luck i believe

01:22:42.680 that it's because 95 well more than that hopefully a percent of mothers the vast majority of mothers

01:22:49.740 are not this close to murdering their own children i mean they might say it as like a 0.74

01:22:56.240 little jokey aside like i'm gonna kill you if you get home and the kids messed up the house 0.97

01:23:01.040 they don't actually mean it like this this kind of excuse making is frankly uh revolting um and 0.89

01:23:08.460 then of course the jurors some of the jurors including the foreperson uh came out came after

01:23:14.080 clancy's lawyer kevin reddington spoke on good morning america earlier today saying that hit

01:23:19.620 to his knowledge, 11 jurors who agreed, believed Clancy deserved and not guilty by reason of

01:23:24.020 insanity verdict, barring the one holdout juror, and now they're trying to come out

01:23:28.320 and say, oh, he was basically lying, he believed about the reasonable doubt, but he just decided

01:23:36.400 to do it anyway because he's a big conservative meanie. This is prejudicing the retrial. If

01:23:42.900 we know that Reddington, the defense attorney, is going to come out and smear you publicly,

01:23:48.880 and then your other jurors

01:23:50.920 are going to come out

01:23:51.680 and potentially smear you publicly

01:23:53.560 you know

01:23:54.220 it would probably be illegal

01:23:56.220 but they might just

01:23:58.380 one of them might just go

01:23:59.940 oh here's his name

01:24:00.720 I mean they might do

01:24:04.760 and they would have legions of people

01:24:07.080 online

01:24:08.080 defending them for doing so

01:24:10.040 and going and attacking one guy

01:24:11.900 this is intimidation

01:24:13.420 this is juror intimidation

01:24:14.900 from the defense

01:24:16.560 there's already a schizo theory online

01:24:18.660 that Patrick Clancy is in cahoots

01:24:20.760 with the police department and the justice system

01:24:22.340 because he knew someone in the police department

01:24:24.080 on a friendly basis at one time.

01:24:26.160 And so you're going to get people justifying that

01:24:28.340 if that doxing happens.

01:24:29.720 Well, we're fighting the system. 1.00

01:24:31.060 The entire system doesn't want this woman 1.00

01:24:33.140 to wheel free. 1.00

01:24:35.240 The entire system is desperate 0.99

01:24:38.880 to convict a woman who murdered her children. 1.00

01:24:42.720 I would hope so. 1.00

01:24:43.660 I would hope so.

01:24:44.640 And we've got clips from the interview.

01:24:46.340 Yeah, from the cast of Beth.

01:24:47.440 that she that they did here so here's one which is revealing about the kind of attitude that these

01:24:52.780 women were approaching the trial with uh in how they were talking about kevin reddington the defense

01:24:58.900 attorney demeanor yeah we can't hear any of the audio so it was funny uh whatever he said i don't

01:25:09.060 know but i went

01:25:10.020 arrogant and entertaining he would go back and forth between that yeah like compassionate yes

01:25:28.460 with his arrogance his compassion towards lindsay was amazing the juror was arrogant 0.89

01:25:35.900 but the lawyer was wonderful

01:25:38.560 no the lawyer

01:25:39.560 was arrogant but in a like charming

01:25:42.300 way

01:25:42.840 in like a way that I thought was

01:25:46.140 really funny and entertaining

01:25:47.900 so they're being

01:25:49.460 I can make her execution funny if you ask me to

01:25:51.840 that's what it does

01:25:53.640 but it just goes to show that these people

01:25:56.100 were not looking at the facts of the case

01:25:57.860 it's a daytime soap opera

01:25:58.860 they were looking at it like daytime

01:26:01.420 like daytime soap opera this was fiction

01:26:03.560 this was like oh I really like that guy

01:26:05.700 he reminds me of all of my favourite lawyers

01:26:07.760 from all of my favourite crime dramas

01:26:09.460 and here is

01:26:11.540 the most damning one

01:26:13.760 and I'll put the captions

01:26:15.740 on for this because we won't be able to hear it but you will

01:26:18.000 he was very arrogant

01:26:19.380 he really did not 0.96

01:26:21.680 take anything

01:26:23.740 that anybody said

01:26:25.120 alright just for the sake of my

01:26:27.060 he tried to ask a question about

01:26:29.820 the medications and we

01:26:31.820 went back to

01:26:32.980 the report from South Shore Hospital. We had the toxicology report. We could see exactly the

01:26:39.140 amounts. The nurses in the room spoke to that. The nurses in the room. Yes. And they spoke to that

01:26:49.060 that specific thing. That was a question that he had. And he just completely disregarded the

01:26:56.340 information that they gave him. I mean he had reasonable doubt. He admitted he had reasonable

01:27:01.060 doubt. After we watched that video of the interview, I think that's what it was. He admitted he had

01:27:07.060 reasonable doubt. And I started filling out the forms. I was so excited. I actually, three forms

01:27:13.980 I had to fill out. And I started filling them out. I wrote my signature on each one. And then he said,

01:27:21.000 but I'm still not going to say that she's not guilty by reason of insanity. I'm not sure if

01:27:26.800 rogue is the right word so but every one of us in the hours of a frustration would get up and walk

01:27:35.360 the room because you just couldn't sit anymore and we'd all go to the cart the with the exhibits um

01:27:41.840 he he i think got up to the cart once very briefly and went back to his seat um he would not

01:27:49.920 he would not interact with us um and and try to understand we read to him on numerous occasions

01:28:00.720 the definition of a reasonable doubt from judge sullivan's instruction he actually said one day

01:28:08.460 in the end well why don't we have the judge come in and read it again and we were like no

01:28:12.600 we have it in front of us

01:28:15.240 we don't

01:28:17.080 need that and we would highlight

01:28:19.040 it and you know

01:28:20.660 so and so this is

01:28:22.660 the definition of reason to go

01:28:25.000 but you have the hardest time getting

01:28:27.020 off the fact that Lindsay 0.88

01:28:28.280 viciously killed her children 0.71

01:28:30.340 yeah that tends to stick with people 0.97

01:28:33.080 yeah also just

01:28:34.700 just for a quick

01:28:36.500 thing the toxicology report

01:28:38.920 showed that there were negligible

01:28:40.960 levels of various medications in our blood

01:28:42.520 and they actually looked at the pill bottles on a nightstand

01:28:44.720 and most of them were full.

01:28:46.680 So, with

01:28:48.560 these people in charge

01:28:51.020 of justice, there is

01:28:53.020 no such thing as

01:28:54.920 justice. You have

01:28:56.960 to rely, sadly, tragically

01:28:59.240 on the

01:29:00.720 one holdout to say

01:29:03.060 no. And it's ridiculous 0.86

01:29:05.220 that we live in a system

01:29:06.500 where the only thing between

01:29:08.640 justice and insanity is

01:29:10.900 the look of there being one guy saying no will that happen at the retrial i guess we'll find out

01:29:19.280 but as it stands right now these people in doing this and the defense attorney and going and

01:29:25.020 speaking about this in the press and having it all be blown up into such a huge circus

01:29:29.780 are trying to prejudice the next trial they want any jurors to know that we're not going to

01:29:36.140 sequester you away, the jurors

01:29:38.280 that you're on the jury

01:29:40.140 with might come out and smear you in

01:29:42.160 public, who knows, maybe your name will

01:29:44.200 get leaked, it's happened before

01:29:45.680 they're trying to intimidate it

01:29:48.360 for the sake of 0.92

01:29:49.920 placating insane 1.00

01:29:51.920 evil harpies 0.98

01:29:53.920 like these ones, so 1.00

01:29:55.760 there, I'll go through the rumble rants now

01:29:58.180 what have we got here

01:30:00.280 so um

01:30:01.520 do do do do

01:30:03.340 one, yes here we go

01:30:06.120 sigil stone the holdout jury is still in the courthouse because they haven't found yet a 0.99

01:30:09.740 system capable of lifting his massive testicles uh otchig door don't forget that something like 0.66

01:30:14.660 four lindsey copycats so far yes one confirmed one one if there are if if there are copycats 0.95

01:30:21.000 that just goes to show social contagion goes along with this it's the same as that old it's

01:30:26.100 it's the same as that old greek story man the only way to stop people from treating this like

01:30:31.640 it's a big story and stop think treating it like oh my god i can be the center of attention

01:30:36.040 if i do this uh is public execution that's why i've been saying this whole time and humiliation

01:30:42.200 that's why i've been saying the whole time um no matter what the facts of the case are

01:30:47.020 for the sake of public justice punishments for these sorts of things needs to be execution 1.00

01:30:53.840 preferably public uh base state the problem with allowing women to use the insanity plea is how do 0.97

01:30:58.520 we tell the difference between an insane woman and a regular one well what time of month is it 0.99

01:31:02.580 Fictagious is 1.00

01:31:05.460 if this is the outcome of postpartum

01:31:07.160 does this mean there should be a big discussion about how mothers 0.93

01:31:09.120 about new mothers being a legit danger 1.00

01:31:11.160 to their children? Lindsay supporters have no idea

01:31:13.280 what they're starting. I do think that is reasonable

01:31:15.300 if that's the argument they want to take

01:31:16.640 Sigilstone, this case is actually a red pill

01:31:19.120 we've gone from Casey Anthony being acquitted to a hung

01:31:21.280 jury for Clancy

01:31:22.820 we're getting better, only this time

01:31:24.860 with the retrial, who knows

01:31:26.220 right, have we got any

01:31:28.880 video comments?

01:31:32.580 No. Alright, uh, we'll go through

01:31:34.740 two comments per segment

01:31:36.520 in that case, and then call it. And someone has immediately

01:31:38.560 insulted poor Ed, saying, Ed,

01:31:40.420 has anyone told you you look awfully similar to Ed Miliband?

01:31:43.300 That is really bad.

01:31:45.460 I don't even see it.

01:31:47.500 He's our guest, we don't

01:31:48.880 accept you insulting our guests. I did say you had

01:31:50.580 Bibi's eyebrows, though. I, I do, I'll accept 1.00

01:31:52.860 Bibi's eyebrows before I will accept 0.54

01:31:54.680 the Ed Miliband comparison, but there we go.

01:31:56.920 Maybe it's just the name Ed casting a mind spell.

01:31:59.360 Sneeda Chuck also insulted us

01:32:00.880 with the podcast of the late and gaze true um let's go through a couple of uh comments for each

01:32:06.800 now all right uh jimbo g says when you see what destruction some leaders will unleash rather than

01:32:12.500 face the music it doesn't bode well for us in the west what will our leaders do when their backs are

01:32:17.760 against the wall i imagine it'll be something involving russia i mean they've been sort of

01:32:22.800 pushing the russia war narrative for so long now which is genuinely insane it's do you know what i

01:32:29.560 I was at a charity bookshop earlier

01:32:32.860 and found in their politics section

01:32:35.160 a book from 2016 called

01:32:37.200 2017

01:32:38.000 War with Russia

01:32:40.320 written by General Brigadier.

01:32:43.080 This was a doorstop?

01:32:44.640 Yeah. They really have been pushing it

01:32:47.060 for a long time. I think it is just because it gins up

01:32:48.900 hysteria and kind of like they can use

01:32:51.080 it to get things that they want.

01:32:53.540 And it gins up hysteria away

01:32:54.940 from other things. That's the biggest threat.

01:32:57.280 It's climate change or it's Russia. 1.00

01:32:58.960 It's always distraction, it's always 0.94

01:33:00.680 look away at this

01:33:02.860 shiny thing, don't look at reality.

01:33:05.200 Wasn't Israel having massive anti-Bibi

01:33:07.120 protests right before the October 7th 1.00

01:33:09.040 attacks, how convenient? Yeah, they were.

01:33:11.740 I've actually spoken to some

01:33:13.120 people I've met in my local area

01:33:14.920 who are Jewish, who love bringing that up

01:33:17.000 and they're like, we actually 1.00

01:33:18.960 hate Bibi, we're about to kick him

01:33:21.120 out and then this happens, so you know.

01:33:23.060 Yeah, it seems like a not sensible

01:33:25.020 idea that NatCon is about to be hosted

01:33:27.040 in Jerusalem.

01:33:28.960 One of my friends who I know from the pub

01:33:30.960 who did that, last time I saw him, he told me

01:33:33.080 he was going to Tel Aviv, and I've not seen him

01:33:35.080 since, and I'm really worried for him. 1.00

01:33:37.200 Living up with Clavicular. 0.98

01:33:40.520 I'm just worried

01:33:41.240 he's been blown up, to be honest.

01:33:43.220 He's been turned into the ugly inverse of Clavicular

01:33:45.360 by various explosions

01:33:47.020 and lines.

01:33:48.700 That's very bad. Sorry, my mind got the better of me.

01:33:52.080 Michael,

01:33:52.800 back in the early 80s, there was a movie called

01:33:54.700 The Exterminator, a Punisher-esque movie

01:33:56.740 about a vigilante. At least in one scene,

01:33:58.780 he kills a child enthusiast who is utilizing

01:34:00.960 the services of an apparent mob provider

01:34:03.000 like most American 80s films a violent

01:34:04.960 vigilante film but good fun on a budget

01:34:06.840 yes

01:34:08.500 though caution

01:34:10.860 about indulging in

01:34:12.980 vicarious vigilante fantasies

01:34:15.320 just because a lot

01:34:17.160 of the time this is

01:34:17.980 put out there as a cathartic release valve

01:34:20.980 so you don't really actually do anything about

01:34:23.140 it my suspicions about citizen

01:34:24.940 vigilante persist

01:34:26.000 i'll do one more uh henry ashman i don't really see why pakistan should be taking them back

01:34:33.440 organized crime linked to the grooming gangs should carry the same death penalty as participating in

01:34:36.980 the most horrific acts uh of a given gang true for the perpetrators though the wider communities

01:34:42.040 covering it up and who produce the perpetrators by acts of birth they need to be returned to the

01:34:47.440 nation of origin oh absolutely then scott of swindon uh there is a trial of a woman who suffered

01:34:53.460 a psychotic break murdered her children and when it went to trial she pled guilty and asked for the

01:34:57.600 harshest sentence compared that to the lindsey clancy case see the disparity between genuine

01:35:02.100 psychotic breaks and excuses again yeah absolutely true uh if she regrets it so much and if it was a

01:35:08.180 true psychotic break where's attempt suicide attempt number two where suicide attempt number

01:35:12.260 three um that's what you would expect uh michael drybelbus um defense attorney's actions should

01:35:18.500 lead to his disbarment, essentially doxing

01:35:20.620 the Wondura. Again, 0.94

01:35:22.600 we don't know his name, but

01:35:24.640 who knows if it'll end up getting

01:35:26.560 leaked. He's singling him out as a man

01:35:28.580 during the trial itself. Yes.

01:35:30.700 One out of three. Yeah, and

01:35:32.320 with that, that's where we'll

01:35:34.580 call time. Thank you everybody

01:35:36.180 for joining us. Ed, would you like to let

01:35:38.500 people know where they can find you and

01:35:40.360 what it is that you have to

01:35:42.440 offer them? I'll just borrow this very briefly.

01:35:44.960 You can find me on Twitter

01:35:46.180 as Anglican Gonzo

01:35:47.600 I work with

01:35:49.140 Vauban Books

01:35:49.840 and also

01:35:50.480 the Maldon Press

01:35:51.560 and I have created

01:35:52.960 this novel called

01:35:53.700 Bothelford's Gone

01:35:54.400 which is a story

01:35:55.580 not only about

01:35:56.240 the grooming gangs

01:35:56.960 in the 21st century

01:35:58.100 but about

01:35:59.220 the deracinating

01:36:00.500 and back-breaking

01:36:02.020 effects of education

01:36:03.000 and what exactly

01:36:04.640 one has to go through

01:36:05.640 as a young man

01:36:06.280 in order to fight back

01:36:07.240 to a certain extent

01:36:08.120 other than that

01:36:09.380 please don't come

01:36:10.200 looking for me

01:36:10.800 You'll be getting

01:36:12.880 Bothelford's Gone

01:36:13.660 book club

01:36:14.200 in the very near future

01:36:14.960 Yes

01:36:15.680 and with that thank you all very much for joining us we'll see you again tomorrow take care

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - September 10, 2026

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1503

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