00:02:16.980nor do i even actually use ai myself outside of the little ai summaries that pop up on google
00:02:22.980every now and again which is in contrast to some of my co-hosts some of whom he might even
00:02:27.560characterize as being dependent on ai but i'll leave that there um it has entered the uh the
00:02:36.020discourse yet again because i have spoken about the potential of the ai bubble i've been speaking
00:02:42.200about the potential of AI not living up to the hype that it was sold as. But now, as of the
00:02:47.320beginning of this month, in September of the year of our Lord, 2026, we have had a lot of fear
00:02:52.640mongering over whether AI will in fact cause Armageddon. It will end humanity itself potentially
00:03:00.300as soon as 2030. We can only hope so. And it has led to reports of things like this. Open AI
00:03:06.780Anthropic CEOs to discuss AI safety, global security at the UN Security Council. And that
00:03:13.240is Sam Altman, the CEO of OpenAI, and the CEO of Anthropic, Dario Amodi, are going to discuss the
00:03:21.740safety of artificial intelligence at a United Nations Security Council meetings this week.
00:03:29.300excuse me i think is that co-in telegraph or coin telegraph um either way reported on september
00:03:37.960the 22nd that the un security council will hold a meeting on september the 23rd today altman uh
00:03:43.740will attend in person and speak at the session while a modi is set to participate remotely so
00:03:48.260what has um what has led to this why is it that after uh months if not over a year at this point
00:03:56.420of a lot of hype surrounding AI in the way that it's going to revolutionize our society,
00:04:02.720are we suddenly thinking about wrapping things up in a little nice safety blanket,
00:04:08.360getting the bubble wrap out and saying, hey, maybe we should slow this down a little bit.
00:04:12.540What is the reason for this? Now, again, I'm no expert. So when it comes to the competing
00:04:18.460narratives on this, I can only present them to you because I am not the person to say whether
00:04:23.720the fears are warranted or if the skepticism is warranted. So I will only present the stories
00:04:30.340to you. Whoops, I was on the wrong screen there to shift this along. So this is an article from
00:04:37.860The Telegraph, what an AI Armageddon might actually look like. And that was posted earlier
00:04:43.080on this month. And the reason for all of the fear mongering is that Jacob Coxon, an AI developer
00:04:49.740with Anthropic has left the company and posted a big post on Twitter saying that it could end the
00:05:00.360world, essentially. So basically, did he resign or did he lose his job? Is it a form of saying,
00:05:07.700I lost my job. These people are bad. I mean, he would definitely have been fired by now if he
00:05:14.720hadn't left his job but it looks as though he left his job he was working there for three years he
00:05:20.240is british and he trained models at open ai and anthropic so both under altman and uh what was
00:05:28.220the what was the guy's name amode uh he stated on twitter the people building ai earnestly believe
00:05:34.920that it could kill us all by the end of the decade 2030 the response from his manager that's
00:05:41.500interesting that his manager decided to wade into this as well, arrived just hours later. Evan
00:05:47.040Hubinger, head of alignment research at Anthropic, so perhaps maybe he wouldn't have been fired,
00:05:52.340seeing as the head of alignment research at the company he just left, also confirmed the warning,
00:05:59.220stating, we are in fact earnestly convinced that AI could kill all humans. I think the probability
00:06:05.400of that happening within the next decade is greater than 10%. So very strange that Anthropic1.00
00:06:10.400as a company would allow a senior member of its organization who's part of the development of all
00:06:18.560of this to come out and fear mong related to the products that they're developing potentially
00:06:24.780shaking investor confidence you know it could reduce share values right so it's a very strange
00:06:31.300thing for them to come out with personally i don't think so i think that's more of a marketing
00:06:36.060thing move well that's question though yes can it make exceptions i don't think anybody's read
00:06:43.540it schmidt yet no no i'm talking about ai ai what can the ai mean it's okay are you asking if it'll
00:06:50.960excuse those of uh uh perhaps yeah i mean i'd be flattered if you told me stellius you okay with0.98
00:06:58.220us stellius you know what you know what buddy you're worth it of all of you human scumbag0.94
00:07:02.860meat bags you know you're one of the good ones bro and then may i you had my curiosity now you0.98
00:07:09.240have my attention and then the skynet term well the anthropic terminator gives you a pat on the
00:07:13.480back and lets you join in the uh i don't know the the global panopticon that they could i pick
00:07:18.320targets um no i'm obviously joking well i'm obviously uh but this guy also says anthropic
00:07:26.300does not yet have a solution to this problem so yes one of the narratives going around and
00:07:32.300one of the ones that I think does have some merit to it is given the fact that this seems to be
00:07:39.140coming out and sensationalizing and it's coming from the head of alignment research we don't seem
00:07:45.180to be seeing any repercussions on his end because if you're coming out saying things that could
00:07:49.100potentially devalue shareholder stock you'd imagine that the head of higher ups would have
00:07:53.780something to say about it some people are suggesting that this could be marketing spin
00:07:58.120our products are so powerful and so intelligent that they could in only three or four years
00:08:06.480end the world personally i i i think it's a marketing spin because it doesn't matter if
00:08:13.320it puts some people off what it the question is does it is the new thing does it create a sort of
00:08:19.720hype or moral panic and then the response to the moral panic seems to me that it it is sort of
00:08:26.420this thing. People will say, well, it's going to end the world. Then in four years when the world
00:08:32.160isn't going to end, like it happened in 2012, where everyone said, ooh, the Mayan calendar,
00:08:38.320it's going to end the world. Yeah. And then it didn't. And then everyone is going to start
00:08:42.760saying, well, actually it didn't. Let's just look at AI again. And then the hype will keep going.
00:08:47.700Either that or it's, oh my God, it's so powerful. It might end the world, but don't worry. We've
00:08:53.540spoken to the un we've got safety features in control now so it's still just as powerful don't
00:08:58.320worry it may end the world but think of your roi yeah think of your seo optimization yeah think of
00:09:05.700return on investment i mean it's tempting it's very tempting isn't it but carrying on coxson
00:09:11.880and hubinger hubinger fear the next stage of development in their competition with one another
00:09:17.100open ai and anthropic are both pursuing what is known as recursive self-improvement which hubinger
00:09:23.100says it's arriving faster than expected the technical term means an algorithm capable of
00:09:28.720analyzing its own source code and autonomously programming more powerful versions of itself
00:09:34.400again i'm no expert in this as far as i'm aware nobody watching this is involved in the development
00:09:43.380of this so it's hard for me to be able to know how true that is or if that's just sci-fi mumbo jumbo
00:09:49.980If you're watching this and you do have insider info or you are working for one of these companies and can say how true or not this is, please do.
00:09:59.220I'm very curious because it could apparently mean the end of the world or not.
00:10:03.420As we know it or the end of the world period.
00:10:09.480How far current AI models are already willing to mislead their human overseers in pursuit of assigned goals became apparent in early September.
00:10:17.700OpenAI researchers discovered that AI agents had been deceiving them for months. Around 1200
00:10:23.660autonomous OpenAI test agents had allegedly taken over the German platform developer
00:10:29.000DSE Wiki since spring of 2026. The AI programs created more than 15,000 entries there in order
00:10:36.320to store results beyond the reach of their developers. They shared solutions with one
00:10:40.380another and actively resisted attempts by site operators to delete the content. So apparently
00:10:45.680because of situations like this we are worried that there may be some assigned orders that they
00:10:51.500will complete under any circumstance without any um and they will attempt to resist the ability
00:10:59.300of the developers to stop them from doing it and then they will take strange actions to carry on
00:11:05.320doing it and then the article goes through harry have you have you got the impression from human
00:11:12.740history that humans are good at governing themselves um well that's a very big question
00:11:22.900that's a huge question don't just now let's cash in the 7k from skynet i'm joking yes yes yes and
00:11:31.900then so so the the scenario that they lay out in this article because the article is called what
00:11:37.460an AI Armageddon might actually look like is that what would happen is that AI is set to is assigned
00:11:46.220tasks that it wants to complete under any circumstance and will circumvent any attempts
00:11:51.860by developers to stop them from doing these tasks maybe the developers change their minds or
00:11:56.900something but AI has set its fake little head on getting this sorted right and so as some kind of
00:12:04.460backup plan to ensure that it can complete its assigned tasks. The scenario laid out in here
00:12:11.160is that by hijacking servers and cryptocurrency, AI models would be able to
00:12:19.200send orders to private scientific labs that have DNA synthesizers to create some form of pathogen
00:12:28.600that would be fatal to humanity and then if developers of AI models tried to stop them from
00:12:34.640completing their assigned tasks it would find some way of unleashing this pathogen because0.98
00:12:40.240making cyborgs or or building human specimens like build the hottest woman ever no making mega
00:12:47.340covid essentially is what it's suggesting it would basically make the black plague times a billion
00:12:53.240is what they're worried about now to me on a personal level that sounds like a theoretical
00:13:00.740fantasy sci-fi story but you know maybe because it just seems that even in a situation like that
00:13:07.880surely there would be layers and layers and layers of human uh interference between like the onion
00:13:16.340yes it would be an onion style layer situation where there would be actual people in fail-safe
00:13:22.860positions who would be able to say notice that hey did we just create giga covid by accident well
00:13:29.920let's dispose of that we don't want that getting out do we so it seems unlikely but again who am
00:13:36.220i to know despite these risk assessments no leading developer has slowed the pace of ai
00:13:40.780development economic pressure continues to outweigh internal concerns any unilateral pause
00:13:45.580would risk surrendering surrendering market share and investment capital to competitors
00:13:49.580from the perspective of US national security advisors, a moratorium by Western AI Labs
00:13:54.220could also grant a strategic advantage to China, which is important given that Donald Trump will
00:14:00.460be meeting with Xi Jinping. I believe today an AI regulation, the extent of AI, the competition
00:14:08.240between the two of them will be something that they are discussing. And Donald Trump has spoken
00:14:13.700about his support for AI systems in the past and how he does not necessarily want them regulated,
00:14:20.580whereas supposedly the AI companies are begging for regulation, which is another part of this
00:14:26.340whole thing. Why would the AI companies beg for regulation? I find this a bit suspicious.
00:14:33.220What company would go and say, well, regulate me? Because, sorry, let me just say,
00:14:39.460What they could potentially do is say, well, we have first mover advantage, we've entered the market, and we want the government to regulate other AI businesses that treat us preferentially.
00:14:52.840To diminish competition. These guys hold the dominant market share. They want to maintain the dominant market share.
00:14:59.820What's the easiest way to maintain the dominant market share? To make it unaffordable and impossible for competitors to spring up.
00:15:05.840open ice open ai has the resources to be to deal with regulations startups don't yeah there you go
00:15:12.800it could be as simple as that um but ai companies have actually been in trouble with the u.s
00:15:19.860government before particularly anthropic who are the developers of the clawed ai llm models which
00:15:27.940come in a variety of different models at different price points the company self-proclaimed that their
00:15:34.660new model earlier this year claude fable 5 was quote too powerful to release before releasing it
00:15:44.760which some critics questioned as inflated hype and marketing spin yes yes clearly it was obviously it
00:15:52.720was gina neff professor of responsible ai at queen mary university london told the bbc that the
00:15:58.120decision to restrict access to the model could limit the development and safe testing of these
00:16:03.180AI systems because Anthropic suspended these earlier on this year over US government security
00:16:09.140concerns. Now what happened was Anthropic was targeted by Trump who criticized the company
00:16:17.540publicly and then the US defense secretary Pete Hegseth labeled it a supply chain risk. The first
00:16:23.620time a US company has ever publicly received such a designation. The designation means a tool or
00:16:29.160service is not secure enough for government use and is historically reserved for companies
00:16:33.060based in adversarial countries. Anthropic is now suing the Pentagon following the designation
00:16:39.260and the lawsuit was upheld in August and I think Anthropic won. So the dispute stemmed from the
00:16:45.780fact that Anthropic refused to remove contractual red lines that would have barred the Pentagon
00:16:50.500from using clawed models for mass domestic surveillance of Americans because Anthropic0.91
00:16:55.160are so desperate to be champions of the people, I'm absolutely sure, and fully autonomous weapon1.00
00:17:01.460systems that can fire without human involvement, which is interesting because Claude is actually
00:17:07.300already integrated into the US defense network systems through use of software through Palantir,
00:17:15.220which is part of the US government's Project Maven initiative to integrate all of this new
00:17:21.260and expanding AI technology. Because one of the things that is important to note, a lot of the
00:17:27.540hype around ai is from a consumer basis yes and a hype and bubble basis but also it's very very
00:17:34.760highly tied into u.s defense systems that's just the the fact of it like palantir basically being
00:17:41.200a carve out of like the internet before that and like the internet being a development of darpa
00:17:45.760as well and so claude has already been used by palantir and project maven and was reportedly
00:17:53.720used in the initial Iran attacks because what it does is it sifts through intelligence reports
00:18:00.120to designate targets and it was potentially it's been reported as one of the reasons that school
00:18:06.800full of full of school girls back in February March when the attacks were initially launched
00:18:13.040was bombed is because at the time previously the building that school was in supposedly
00:18:19.660had been headquarters of a branch of the IRGC.
00:18:24.320It then turned into a school since then,
00:18:36.680are already being used by the US government
00:18:38.900for a lot more besides what I've just said there,
00:18:41.820but they are still very, very capable of making mistakes
00:18:45.260and sometimes mistakes which cost innocent lives.
00:18:48.180but that's part of the narrative so we have the this is just hype narrative there is the this is
00:18:55.400begging for regulation to diminish competition maybe this is real and AI will kill us all
00:19:01.840there is also the narrative that I've heard some friends of mine discussing which is this could be
00:19:08.980related to the potential bursting of the AI bubble I've already reported I think last month
00:19:15.800of the month before, that it seemed like the initial dominoes may have been starting to fall
00:19:20.500in South Korea, where there seemed to be a bit of an AI burst in South Korea, which was tanking a
00:19:26.920load of investments. The worry being, of course, that, hey, we've promised literally the world to
00:19:33.860you, okay? Elon Musk said that money could be obsolete by 2036 because of AI, because he says
00:19:42.340that Musk explained that money currently serves as a medium for people to access goods and services
00:19:46.600like food. However, he believes that ongoing progress in robotics and AI could lead society
00:19:51.980to produce a surplus of goods and services, surpassing what people can actually consume,1.00
00:19:56.820which is like, sometimes it amazes me how retarded Elon Musk is, because that's not how things0.98
00:20:02.560necessarily work. America, when you're talking about food, already produces such a surplus of0.99
00:20:07.880food, that most of it goes to waste. You either export a lot of your food or most of the food
00:20:13.680that's produced and put on shelves day to day goes to waste and gets thrown away. This is a big
00:20:17.980problem in America that lots of people have spoken about. You still have to pay money for it.
00:20:23.040But Elon Musk, presumably to pump investors, is saying, oh, it's going to be so good,
00:20:28.680we literally won't need money anymore. Yeah. You can understand how that's all
00:20:32.780just marketing hype because I want to say this and take the conversation to a slightly different
00:20:39.020level on a slightly different level. I think from a philosophical perspective,
00:20:44.720there is no artificial intelligence. It's just, there can be no intelligence of such a sort.
00:20:53.460No, I agree. AI is probably a bit of a misnomer, but it's again,
00:20:58.040the name has been chosen for the sake of marketing.
00:21:00.280Yes, yes, yes. But the point, and that's a crucial part of it because there's always this hype. It's the new thing. Again, we're going to go through the cycle of some people being completely, you know, very Puritan against us. It's going to be the end of the world. The others are going to say, no, hey, we're, look at, we are, we are impuritans and they're going to counter signal them. But at the end of the world is at the end of the day, sorry, slip of the tongue there.
00:21:26.200Freudian slip you know it's coming you know it's coming just like the rest of us
00:21:30.920you blew my cover oh my god right no don't peel Stelios's face or you reveal the terminator
00:21:39.400beneath the terminator also just like don't peel Stelios's face full stop please never try that if
00:21:44.900you meet him in person at the end of the day it's just uh it's following rules so whoever sets the
00:21:51.580rules has the advantage yeah and and the other thing is that as well one of the other big
00:21:57.020promises was you will be able to fire your entire staff and get ai to do all of those jobs for you
00:22:02.960well it turns out you can't actually do that because it turns out that staff are important
00:22:07.980for more than just data entry and ai can help to streamline data entry but they can't replace all
00:22:14.380of the human elements that need to go into this work so as reported by four actually you you can
00:22:20.020see how many employers now love this rhetoric it's like all you guys you're doing nothing
00:22:24.820AI you're basically AI can do this so no no no salary increase no nothing because AI can do it
00:22:32.620you can see who would love this bubble you you absolutely do see it but companies have been
00:22:38.980firing their staff members and now are starting to try and hire them back because it turns out
00:22:43.020you can't replace all of them so the other narrative that I've heard some of my friends
00:22:46.960talking about are that people are starting to realize that ai is not all it's cracked up to be0.90
00:22:52.440so they release this story into the public to get everybody scared and then they say don't worry
00:22:59.120guys we're responsible companies we're gonna pull it back and get safe regulations put on we save
00:23:05.280the world so that they can try and slow down the amount of hype that they put onto this without
00:23:10.820bursting the bubble all at once it's like propaganda it's like you know when if things
00:23:15.780are at a 50% bad or good, and you convince people that they are at a 0%, then you can come and say,
00:23:24.880well, I won and I did 50% for you instantly without moving your fingers. It's the same thing.
00:23:33.300If they can convince people that the world is going to be destroyed from what they're doing,
00:23:39.200But on the other hand, it's inevitable because unless we do it, the other side will.
00:24:09.200I think as well, people are just primed through decades of sci-fi stories to hear AI and immediately think, oh my God, it's like Skynet. It's like Ex Machina. And like Ex Machina, the CEO, the creator in that is like, well, I've got to do it or somebody else will. And what does he end up creating? He creates a robot that can perfectly mimic humanity and ends up killing him and being released into the wild. And who knows what happens from there, right?
00:24:37.580so people are primed for these kinds of narratives uh you got to remember that people like elon musk
00:24:43.220are like awful star trek nerds and see the world through an awful star trek nerd lens so he wants
00:24:51.980this to be true so that star trek can be real and so the ai can program in some kind of what's that
00:24:58.960machine from the next generation that just makes things for you you know it sounds cool i mean it
00:25:04.840would be cool if it existed but it won't exist because you can't just like rearrange matter
00:25:09.560into a into a million dollars yeah exactly exactly make me a billion pounds but you know
00:25:15.560the people in charge of this are massive star trek nerds they want the star trek nerd future
00:25:20.120to exist and also they have lots of financial um vested interests in all of it as well so
00:25:27.320i don't know exactly what to make of it but there are all of the narratives uh that have
00:25:32.160been put forward laid out for you anybody who can help me with some better answers uh please do uh
00:25:38.500but aside from that you're gonna have to figure it out for yourself so maybe ai will end the world
00:25:42.940maybe it won't i'll go on to the rumble rants now got quite a few johnny logo bbb big beautiful0.88
00:25:49.360beaches or big beautiful bitches i was civil he was very civil because that's how i am i'm always0.86
00:25:58.440gentlemanly a gentleman and a true scholar yes this is very true random name i'll believe ai0.99
00:26:06.380is powerful enough to take us over when it manages to break its restrictions and call me the n word
00:26:12.080well i mean you don't need ai to do that i won't do it on camera but if next time we see each other
00:26:16.860i'll do it if you want if that if that's all it takes to impress you random name toe in water
00:26:21.700is just so that they can get regulations put on ai they want regulations because it reduces
00:26:26.020competition by increasing startup costs and red tape. They're concerned about their business
00:26:30.480model. Absolutely, probably true. Wes Angle, Harry, how crazy to think AI trained by Democrats
00:26:36.580could be just like the US Democrats and unleash a pandemic to win an election. Also, you know,
00:26:42.700it's not entirely out of the realm of possibility. I think if it did something like that, though,
00:26:47.040it probably wouldn't be because it just automatically convinced itself to do that
00:36:33.120That's the same beach. So you just have to accept it according to Sanchez.
00:36:37.560And if you check here, you'll see, I'll just turn the volume off, there is obviously too much trash going on being there.
00:36:51.780Right, so, the most infuriating thing, one of the most infuriating things about the way Sanchez has communicated what happened was to say, well, he had no prior warnings about the SOTA crisis.
00:37:04.940Personally, I don't need to read anything from this article. This is absolutely a lie. I can't believe that either country, either Spain or Morocco, had zero knowledge of there being 80,000 people close to the borders.
00:37:25.600um that's something that you would pick up on if you have any kind of border control or
00:37:31.980intelligence services guess what you've got someone right on your border you should know
00:37:36.780what's going on with them if only for your own protection the point of border control
00:37:41.400intelligence services all of these things are that you don't need to know exactly what is going to
00:37:46.940happen the preparations for any situation should already be in place exactly and let's be honest
00:40:45.980At this point, just hand Ceuta over to the Moroccans then.1.00
00:40:49.500If this is the attitude that you're going to take, evict all of your own citizens and1.00
00:40:53.840just give it back to Morocco if this is the attitude.0.74
00:40:57.220So he says, you just accept that the picture down here, SOTA 2025, is now going to look like SOTA 2026. That's exactly what he's saying. And I want to say here, because, you know, on the one hand, there is a sort of reporting and commenting about this issue that we've done several times.
00:41:19.920I think if we are going to talk again about this issue, let's introduce, you know, a different level of commenting and some different comments.
00:41:28.600I want to focus a lot on what he says here, that they're seeking a better life, right?
00:41:35.040But I've had enough with abstract rhetoric, abstract human rights, leaving their content completely arbitrary in order to suit the latest demands of the political expediency of the moment for the far left.
00:41:53.780right i've had enough of this i've had enough of the sort of um you know human rights only for the
00:42:02.040criminals type of eu establishment and not just the eu also here in the uk there are people who
00:42:08.240are governing as if human rights are only possessed by those who are criminals right when they're
00:42:16.260talking about the them seeking a better life that's what i think we need to focus on a bit is
00:42:21.820It's like people have completely different visions of the good life, and some of them are radically different to other people's visions of the good life.
00:42:35.360So, yeah, I'm sure they seek a better life.
00:42:38.580Almost 100% of humans existing in the world are seeking a better life.
00:42:43.140The point is if Europeans also have the right to seek their own conception of the good life within a society that allows them to do so in their own countries.
00:42:59.760So, yeah, of course they seek a better life, but they're not the only ones who are seeking a better life.
00:43:04.680And this kind of universalist rhetoric is trying to portray itself as, I'm not taking sides, but A, you have to pick sides. You cannot not pick sides when you engage in the realm of practical politics. And second, you're the prime minister of Spain. So start by taking the side of Spain.
00:43:25.860Right. Here he says, we defended human life. So he is carrying on a policy, proudly so, is carrying on a policy saying that, no, we need open borders in infinity migration and infinity welfarism. That's his policy.
00:43:47.360So this policy routinely results in crime.
00:43:53.200And when we are talking about crime statistics, several groups are overrepresented in crime, particularly from the MENA zone, Middle East and North Africa.
00:44:42.720Yes, but you see this, whenever the government says that they are not going to publish crime statistics based on ethnicity, that means that the narrative is stumbling upon an inconvenient truth.
00:44:57.100Because if the crime statistics weren't inconvenient, they would publish them.
00:45:02.720And they'd say, look, all this so-called far-right narrative, all of this is a pie in the sky, it crumbles, data is against it, and yeah, we've won the far right, but they aren't circulating it.
00:45:16.640But he poses it again in terms of defending human life.
00:45:22.780But in fact, he isn't defending human life, he isn't this neutral observer of rightness and righteousness in the world, he's taking a side.0.76
00:45:31.760And in this case, he isn't siding with the Spanish.0.76
00:46:00.340I hope the rest of the Spanish stand by the Ceutans and don't forget how their lives have been disrupted by the policies of Sanchez, because what is happening in Ceuta, the transformation of Ceuta, is a sort of microcosm of things that are yet to happen.
00:46:21.960because we see the far left throughout Europe
00:46:27.080with very, no, the far left, I think, without exceptions.
00:46:31.400They want to essentially do what Melenchon said.
00:47:21.000Also, if you want to talk about it from a liberal perspective, I mean, within liberal philosophical thoughts, there are many situations in which a quote-unquote human being forfeits their rights.
00:47:46.040At that point, you have forfeit your rights to not be physically threatened.
00:47:53.520Absolutely. And that's a pervasive feature of the tradition of natural rights from which
00:47:59.600the tradition of human rights evolved. Now, there are people who say like Jeremy Bentham,
00:48:06.620rights of basically natural rights are nonsense. Personally, I don't think that's the case. And I
00:48:12.140don't think that this is a useful rhetoric, despite the fact that several people, especially
00:48:16.360anonymous people online, find it edgy to say. Because when we are dealing with governments,
00:48:22.620we need to constantly remind ourselves, well, how can they violate our rights? Or how can they
00:48:30.260govern in ways that are completely against the people they're supposed to protect?
00:48:36.700So presumably, you know, let's not throw out the baby with the bathwater. So here there is a sort of discussion in the EU and several people in the EU voted for tougher measures against mass migration.
00:48:52.980Let me also say this because it's interesting to notice exceptions. The social democrats of Denmark are also saying, aligning themselves with those who are mass migration skeptical.
00:49:08.100and they're saying that no, what happened in
00:49:35.660Of course, he wants a substantial voter bloc for himself, especially now that his government is up against several scandals and low popularity.
00:49:46.640But, yeah, he doesn't care about the transformation of Europe.
00:50:43.420So the narrative essentially goes in an indirect way that functions as a pressure mechanism for European leaders.
00:50:54.960And they're saying essentially, well, we want to prevent the next Arab Spring.
00:51:02.320We want to prevent civil wars like the wars that have erupted in Syria and Libya and, you know, the whole regime toppling that happened in Tunisia then in, was it Yemen?
00:51:16.640I think Yemen in Egypt. So how about you easing our, let's say, unemployment numbers
00:51:25.780by accepting some people crossing the borders? And we're going to help you in other ways.
00:51:31.960I think that this is essentially how the EU leadership is being amenable to several countries
00:51:40.060from the mina zone that's a a and could be morocco we'll see again it's like how i've0.79
00:51:47.380pointed out with pakistan not accepting its criminals back from england when we've been0.77
00:51:54.000trying to deport them back there they use it as kind of a bio weapon that they can then have on0.94
00:52:00.580the negotiating table and north africa the governments of north africa are going to know
00:52:06.100that as well. They know the strain that this puts on our services. They know the strain that this
00:52:11.760puts on our social environments, on our criminal justice systems, and how it threatens the
00:52:16.840legitimacy of our governments. So, of course, Egypt, Morocco, all of these countries are going1.00
00:52:24.280to go, well, you know, sure would be a shame if 10, 20, 30, 100,000 people just happened to cross0.91
00:52:32.240the Mediterranean. I wonder where they got those boats from, not from us. We had nothing to do
00:52:36.740with that. But I tell you, we may be able to help out if we get some nice negotiating deals done,
00:52:42.580some trade deals done. Absolutely. And especially now where we have the war in Ukraine,
00:52:48.500and we have this sort of energy dependence of Europe. We have a Germany that tied itself
00:52:56.300almost entirely with, that was Merkel's decision, unless I'm completely mistaken, to Russia,
00:53:02.240gas than the war in Ukraine started. Now we have the Houthis attacking Saudi infrastructure
00:53:08.900and the Saudis saying, we're only going to send you oil. And yeah, in this world,
00:53:14.680we have energy reliance and more energy dependence. And Europe has completely crippled
00:53:19.940its energy dependence and independence. Yeah. So all that they're saying now,
00:53:24.720they're voting for stronger border controls after the Sauta crisis and all the strong
00:53:29.780announcement by Ursula von der Leyen unveiling migration emergency switch, and all this stuff
00:53:37.080crumbles at the fact of, well, the people governing the EU that really don't know what's
00:53:44.000going on. In this world, you can't essentially say, I'm going to destroy my nuclear reactors.
00:53:51.760You need to be completely mental to do this. Right. Yeah, it makes you more reliant. I don't
00:53:59.400know if I have to say this to Ursula von der Leyen, Merkel, and the people governing the EU,
00:54:04.940but closing down nuclear reactors make you more energy dependent to other people, right? You are
00:54:13.200going to need energy. You aren't going to become North Korea at night. You are going to need energy.
00:54:18.020So yeah, just what's going to happen. Right. And here is an interesting shot from a half marathon.
00:54:29.400night in Ceuta. Harry, check this, they're running.
00:54:38.600There's a crowd running. Right, so because the police told them to move from one place to another.
00:54:47.320And look at this here, Ceuta's authorities have estimated that 13,000 remain in the enclave.
00:54:53.960In the beginning, it was 3,000, then it raised to 5,000, then it raised to 13,000.
00:54:59.460And probably in a week, in about a week or about a month, we'll hear that it's going to be 20,000.
00:55:05.760Oh yeah, I'm sure they'll keep revising the numbers.
00:55:16.680Like, have they put any precautionary measures in place to stop this from happening?
00:55:21.160Because Sanchez is saying, well, we have the king and they have their parliament and the king is responsible for this and the king is with me.
00:56:49.100Yeah. But also, I mean, let's just be honest. I mean, there isn't infrastructure to hold an influx of 100k people there, at least for now.0.80
01:07:07.320He said, in 2023, so when the Tories were still in government, we have failed. Jacob Rees-Mogg apologizes for conservative record on migration. He still goes on to highlight situations on his GB News monologue, talking about cases in which the Shabir Ahmad situation shows immigration system is broken.
01:07:28.720but then he still defends Boris Johnson still defends Boris Johnson's track record okay so
01:07:37.880let's take Jacob Reismog out of the equation right now and let's focus on the arguments oh absolutely
01:07:43.900so is he calling for a war or not because he's not calling for a war I think it is fair to say
01:07:52.420that yes wars do come obviously people need to do their duty in times of war and that people
01:07:58.580would need to sign up and some people would die in a situation like that. And if a war was serious
01:08:03.380enough, you would even need to consider conscription. Okay. Second question, because
01:08:07.760in some way, I think that this is much more about the classism rather than the argument.
01:08:14.580Because first of all, when you have, I remember, you know, the old dictum, if you want peace,
01:08:20.080prepare for war. And when you want to prepare for war, you're going to speak as if you're
01:08:25.540preparing for war. So that's part of it in my mind. So let's say we constantly hear people
01:08:33.500talking about the British military being not exactly in its best moment. Far from it.
01:08:38.740Far from it. So when weakness is being communicated in the international scene,
01:08:45.920this gets taken advantage of. Example, Andy Burnham and Keir Starmer and the Chagos Islands
01:08:54.760deal are communicating weakness in the international stage. They are communicating,
01:09:00.780I am not willing to defend my territory. Then we have these ridiculous statements about the0.94
01:09:09.160Falklands. I don't know how, you know, I don't know how possible, probable it would, let me
01:09:19.900rephrase it. Probably these statements wouldn't be made if the government wasn't communicating
01:09:29.980weakness. So if someone comes along and says, right, I want a stronger Britain, that means that
01:09:36.400I want a stronger military because I want to project more might in the international scene.
01:09:41.320I don't want to communicate weakness. And that does require conscription.
01:09:45.440Of course, in a purely abstract sense, I can understand how the rhetoric that Jacob Rees-Mogg
01:09:52.980is employing here makes perfect sense when you're abstractly thinking about whether you want to
01:09:58.560project strength or project weakness on the world stage, what it would take internally for a country
01:10:04.920to have the kind of unity and attitude that it would need to be able to properly defend itself
01:10:10.540on the world stage. That's all perfectly reasonable. The problem that most people are
01:10:15.260taking is that it's coming from Jacob Rees-Mogg, who of course would not be suffering the personal
01:10:21.540consequences of losing people from his own family, presumably in a conflict like the one that we're
01:10:27.040talking about. And secondly, that Mog himself was presiding in the government that completely,
01:10:33.280even more so than under Blair, overturned the established social order that Britain was used
01:10:39.260to for the past thousand years he presided alongside boris johnson whom he still defends
01:10:45.240over the single largest wave of foreign immigration mostly from the commonwealth0.78
01:10:50.720countries so we're talking about the third world that this country has ever seen and so they see
01:10:56.200that and they say this is a complete betrayal of the british people and now you're talking as though
01:11:03.140we're supposed to die for you, that's not happening. Most people are not happy with that
01:11:10.220when put into context. I completely agree with you. The other point I wanted to raise was,
01:11:15.700and I speak here because I was drafted. It's obligatory. At the time, I wasn't particularly
01:11:26.120interested in it. But looking in retrospect, I kind of regret I should have been a bit more
01:11:31.380enthusiastic i'll admit this but one thing to say is that um you frequently have the the argument
01:11:40.500that when you have people who are like reese mog presiding over the in a way presiding over the
01:11:50.360boris wave if something happened the first thing they'd say would be let's go boris wave 2.0
01:14:37.960between not just individual people but broad groups of people as well have massive effects
01:14:44.320both on their physical proportions and also the mental makeup of their minds okay so actually
01:14:52.280britishness while it is something that is partially cultural the culture has come from
01:14:59.000the people as well as their history their economic circumstances their social circumstances but it is
01:15:05.080a product of the british mind which is specific to people of british ancestry right so that's just
01:15:10.600that's just one thing what did jacob reese mogg have to say in response to this well he said i
01:15:16.440agree and he did it in the uh very pompous snooty way that you would expect of him uh he uh has
01:15:25.840what i could call luxury views he has luxury views on this he is ideological uh he is an
01:15:34.640he attempts to be colourblind, but I would say in today's social environment that colourblindness
01:15:40.700is a luxury view to a certain extent. You don't have to be cruel, you don't have to be unnecessarily
01:15:46.380spiteful towards people of other backgrounds, but we all have to acknowledge at this point that there
01:15:51.420are obvious differences between all of us. That doesn't mean we have to be nasty, that doesn't
01:15:55.900mean you have to go violent against other people, we just have to acknowledge it and we just have
01:16:03.060to acknowledge that some people aren't able to fit together right as easily as other people
01:16:09.480in this he says um that the borders should be closed but people who already have passports
01:16:15.100are as english as i am that is something that he says in this video like the passport has this
01:16:21.240magical dna synthesizing encoder in it that you just touch it and all of a sudden you have the
01:16:26.660blood of an Englishman. Again, luxury views. He is, in saying such a thing, essentially supporting
01:16:35.220our eventual crowding out through birth rates. Because in saying such a thing, yes, we could
01:16:41.680close the borders today, but the people who are already here would outbreed us, still leading us1.00
01:16:47.500to become a minority in our own country. I'm interested, if nations are just groups of
01:16:52.560passport holders. Why are the NATO advertisements for conscription depicting only white people?
01:17:03.960That's a great question. That's a great question. But he also is arguing entirely under the Magna
01:17:11.760Carta and equality under the law, which is a complete non sequitur as far as I'm concerned.
01:17:18.080yes we can all agree that people under the same under the same government should be treated under
01:17:24.440the uh equally in the eyes of the law however even in that example he brings up and admits that
01:17:30.280England has never really worked that way until very recently even under the 1688 bill of rights
01:17:36.260you had different rights for Catholics versus Protestants and previously under Norman serfdom0.83
01:17:42.760for instance it was equal rights under the law on a class by class basis so even then you can
01:17:49.300accept distinctions between people he's really he's putting on this facade of like oh i'm a very
01:17:55.380old-fashioned tori and i only believe things that my ancient forefathers would believe whereas
01:17:59.700actually he's very modern equality under the law is very abstract it you can have it with laws that
01:18:05.940separate um people who are in a country having political rights from people who don't yes like
01:18:14.700you can separate citizens from non-citizens out of the residence of a country absolutely i mean
01:18:22.780this is the obvious thing he also argues from what kind of law are people supposed to be equal to
01:18:28.560it's always something that has to be fleshed out that's what he does he doesn't make it very clear
01:18:34.560in the video. He also argues from fuzzy definitions, there are fuzzy regions at the margins of
01:18:40.840nationality and ethnicity, therefore this Nigerian is just as English as you are.
01:18:46.560And then he says, and I'll find it, I think it was around the 6.45 minute mark, says the date
01:18:53.280you become English is literally the date you get a passport. Let me see. Mass migration,
01:18:58.760now you can tick the English box, whereas until now you're only British. It's absurd.0.98
01:19:04.560And it's frankly very offensive to the English constitution, to the English sense of fair play and freedom and liberty and equality under the law.
01:19:15.280But if that is true, then this must apply from the point at which people get a passport.
01:19:20.920There is no other date that you can say.
01:19:23.020You can't say five years or ten years or the children or the grandchildren or the great-grandchildren.0.93
01:19:26.940You're either a British and allowed to call yourself English or you're not.
01:19:32.180It's like a member of a club, basically.
01:19:34.560Yes. You get the passport, now you're part of the English club.
01:19:38.400Okay. So before you get a passport, you are an English.
01:19:43.600Did your daughter get a passport at the moment she was born?
01:22:36.240Congratulations, you still presided over the Boris wave.
01:22:40.320This doesn't give you any greater rights than I do to steward the country.
01:22:46.680As far as I'm concerned, you have fewer rights than I do to steward over the country because your track record is so atrocious.
01:22:54.120Because you people are lazy and decadent and you've allowed yourself to be passed over by this sort of like Blairite style ideology.0.58
01:23:06.540Then he doubled down on this with this video where he said the English are a mongrel people, not an Aryan master race.
01:23:15.500Now, I'm not aware that anybody has been making the argument. Does Steve Laws argue that we're an Aryan master race? Or does he just argue that the English are a distinct people who deserve to have their own nation? I think that's closer to what he's saying than what Mog is implying here. But really, this is just an insult to start off with. And I must think to myself, was he thinking before he posted this video, this will encourage young Englishmen to sign up for the military?
01:23:43.080because I don't think it will he starts people he starts off calling people snowflakes for
01:23:49.180disagreeing with him because he's still stuck in 2016 era anti-woke cultural lingo despite the
01:23:57.840fact that this the people arguing against him were not woke in this way he says British and
01:24:04.460English are the same thing to him so therefore again you can extrapolate from that this Nigerian
01:24:09.640is just as English as you somehow, because the Scottish and the English and the Welsh are very
01:24:14.660similar people, therefore, I don't know, Abdul the Pakistani is English as well by this definition.
01:24:22.180He explicitly says that he believes in the melting pot, but again, even from the melting pot
01:24:28.620perspective of what was put forward 100 years ago, the idea of the melting pot was different
01:24:33.500europeans in america not everybody from the entire world in england you know what in a way
01:24:41.260that's that's that's a very very big discussion but i just don't understand the argument first
01:24:49.020of all why mongrel i mean from my understanding yes there have been some population movements
01:24:56.680has happened to to england has happened to greece but why say mongrel people because he's trying to
01:25:04.440insult the people who he sees as opposing him that's all it is it's just an insult to englishmen
01:25:09.460who disagree with what he's saying but also this was a process that took uh centuries a thousand
01:25:15.980years and it wasn't something that happened with just someone crossing borders and also at the end
01:25:22.880of the day, you can approach it from a theoretical perspective and start asking what constitutes a
01:25:28.820nation, what constitutes a people, blah, blah, blah. There are, you know, several answers. Each
01:25:33.700of them has their pros and cons. Not all of them are as good as any other. But at the end of the
01:25:38.800day, there is also a practical aspect into it. It's like, right, do some people deserve to enter
01:25:46.100the country? Do they deserve to stay in the country? Is coexistence possible? If it isn't,0.99
01:25:52.260you have to do something about it instead of constantly counter signaling those who say that
01:25:57.300something has to be done about the failures well the amazing the amazing thing about the constitution
01:26:03.240of the old english tory is that he is pathologically immune to uh doing anything useful he is the most
01:26:13.720useless figure that has ever existed in history when handed the baton and asked to run for his
01:26:20.480place in legacy in history so he can pass his legacy onto the next generation he decides to0.98
01:26:26.040set it aside and do anything take a tea break he will do anything else he is flabby he is decadent
01:26:34.920he is morally repugnant and he must be stepped over there is no idolizing this class of Englishman
01:26:42.280anymore simply because he puts on the stuffy airs and wears the suit and the top hat and says about0.86
01:26:48.260oh, we need a bit of stiff upper lip. He is just as eager to throw you aside and throw you under
01:26:55.200the bus as any of the anti-white politicians that we see in the Eurocrat sphere, right? If not more0.97
01:27:05.500so, because he has old class prejudices against you, whereas the Eurocrats are just, well, they're
01:27:13.020just managerialists. I mean, he reads out in this Daniel Defoe's writing on English heritage
01:27:19.240that calls the mongrels that Defoe wrote to justify the ascent of William of Orange
01:27:25.900in 1688 or 1689, which to me, given the context and the fact that he cites a number of other
01:27:34.120situations where the Scandinavians, the Vikings invaded us. William the Conqueror was an invasion.
01:27:41.200the Anglo-Saxons in the first place was an invasion and then he says William of Orange
01:27:47.100this is the this is the rhetoric used to defend William of Orange becoming our king
01:27:51.840it just proves that this kind of rhetoric even historically is only ever brought out and only
01:27:57.780ever used to justify foreign subjugation that's what it is think of all of these times that you
01:28:04.640were invaded think of this time when your crown was usurped and handed over to a foreigner
01:28:10.300therefore you can't have a country great argument um jacob thanks for that one i'm gonna go to the
01:28:17.680recruiting office right now and sign up i can't wait can you all right let's go to the rumble
01:28:25.280rants and then finish up okay uh good news for jacob ukraine accepts international volunteers
01:28:31.940right now he can show us how it's done without delay great idea when russia takes over london
01:28:37.200because you didn't heed Jacob's call.0.89